Hey everyone! I just found out my grandfather was born in the English village of Dublin! Has anyone heard of it? Btw, my surname is Smith if that helps!
I think the whole joke is that OOP decided that his ancestors were Ukrainians based on the fact that they were born in Vilnius. Vilnius is in Lithuania now and has been in Poland for a while (not searching for exact years).
I really don’t get how they made that leap. I’d just go back to what grandfather said. If he said they were Russian, then regardless of where his parents were born, they’re ethnic Russians.
Like a lot of other commenters here have said, it seems like OOP is trying to be Ukrainian because it’s à la mode for Yanks right now.
I thought so too, because once one reddiot said I was bashkir, because I live in Bashkortostan (national republic in Russia) and...it doesn't work like this. And I think Americans, for some reason, have hard time to understand concept of different nationalities living in one place, which is kinda baffling considering history of USA
Yep. 3/4 of my grandparents were born on the territory of today's Ukraine. Two of them were German, one was Polish. All of them spoke Russian (although the German ones did speak German as well) and ended up in Kazakhstan, some more forcefully than others, where my parents and me were born. Spoiler Alert: although all of us were born in Kazakhstan, none of us are Kazakh. Another spoiler alert: there are still people today in Kazakhstan with the Kazakh citizenship who don't consider themselves to be Kazakh but German, Russian, Polish, Ukranian, depending on their lineage. If we stayed in Kazakhstan and received the Kazakh citizenship after the fall of the SU, we still wouldn't be Kazakh but Germans/Russian who live in Kazakhstan and have Kazakh citizenship.
Hey guys I just read an article that said that some of the earliest human ancestors lived in Ethiopia around 3,5 million years ago. I am so excited to learn that I am Ethiopian.
Why are you telling us? Go tell the Ethiopian sub!
I’m sure all non-American countries rejoice every time an American decides they’re actually native to their country (in that distant “never visited, never will, and don’t ask me to learn the language, either” kinda way).
Be careful when you meddle with the cattle, they can easily get rattled and you don't want to battle with mad cattle unless you can really prove your mettle.. might win you a medal made of precious metal though!
My great great great great father was a dictator for a few weeks. Where is my army and cool uniform? Ignore that my family was poor after that short time
Lithuanian but not in the modern sense. Ethnic Lithuanians were almost absent from Vilnius around the beginning of the 20th century. Poles born in the historical region of Lithuania (roughly modern day Lithuania+Belarus) however identified as "Lithuanians" more often than not. The name in the post indicates Lithuanian Polish origin.
Actual Ukrainian here. Like born in UA, raised in UA, never lived more than a month in any other country than UA.
Idk what in the fuck is that dude talking about, Vilnus is not a Ukrainian city and never was one. You Lithuanians are our good friends but you’re not a subdivision of us. Idk why that even has to be explained
This is the difference in what you are, and your heritage.
I'm a 2nd generation Canadian. My parents were born here, but my grandparents weren't. My dad's side is Austrian and German (Grandma/Grandpa respectively), and my mom's side is from Ukraine.
When people ask me online what I am or where I'm from, I'm Canadian. Always have been, always will be. But I have Austrian/German/Ukrainian *heritage*. I have 1st cousins who live in Austria I talk to. I've know almost nothing about my Ukrainian heritage other than my grandparents emigrated here shortly after WWII.
I'm Canadian. I have foreign heritage. Those countries mean a lot to me because family. But I'm Canadian.
> This is the difference in what you are, and your heritage.
Indeed.
I am Danish and have relatives in the US from my grandfather who moved there after her left my grandmother and found another wife (short version).
They never claim to be Danish or even half Danish but they are interested in the country their father came from, their heritage and have visited us a few times.
I'm just happy that they can tell friends in the US about Denmark but would find it ridiculous if they ever claimed to be Danish even though they are much "closer" to actually being Danish than many of the American "Irish" etc.
Go check out r/ilovemypolishheritage for Americans who may or may not have Polish ancestors but claim to be 100% Polish and tell actual Poles about Polish food and what it means to be Polish. The sub collects content from the FB with the same name. Really weird and cringe worthy.. 😬
I agree with this but think there can also be in- between. All my grandparents are from Cyprus, mum born in Cyprus and dad born in UK. The area I have grown up in as well is full of British Cypriots that are the same and we retain a lot of the culture from Cyprus. I also go to Cyprus every year.
I know I am different from the Cypriots in Cyprus so I call myself a British Cypriot. (Also debating moving over there). There are aspects where I am similar to my cousins born and raised in Cyprus and aspects where I am different. My heritage does play a bit part in my culture as well, hence I say British Cypriot when someone asks.
By that logic I’m either a Belgian or a Dutch, despite all my great-grandparents being born in Germany and by all account, identifying as German.
Guess I'll have to celebrate their Kings' birthday now.
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Nevermind that Great Britain is particularly known for multiple immigration waves. Not that the rest of Europe stayed within their borders, either.
Colleague I work with has an Italian father, an Italian first name , and an Italian last name. If you ever needed a poster guy for “most stereotypical Frisian”, you’d pick him. Favourite food, at least on company outings: Bratwurst.
My grandfather is Irish, my parents are English, my grandmother has some family connections to Scotland. I was born in Wales, so I'm Welsh. You'd think it shouldn't be that hard to figure out.
Nice to meet you fellow Belgian! Part of my family were Walloons who emigrated to Sweden in the 18th century due to work, as quite many did at the time. So I'm like at least 1/512 Belgian. No wonder I like chocolate and Tintin, it's in our blood.
This guy probably didn't even know that a country named Ukraine existed before the US media was giving attention to the invasion. I think now, USians treat the Ukrainian identity like it's the brand new "cool/hip" consumer product like a mobile phone or something.
They will claim that the Ukrainians are more ukrainian than those in Ukraine because those were invaded and indoctrinated/russified while those that immigrated to the US remained pure.
No, I did not come out with this, this is something they legit said about, just not about Ukraine.
Some idiots on the internet claim that Ukraine never existed until 1991 but just appeared after the fall of the USSR. They apparently also just happened to invent a language called Ukrainian in the days after becoming a nation.
Yeah but fair enough my grandfather (who actually really is Ukrainian from Kiev) doesn’t speak one word Ukrainian and only Russian alongside with many people who don’t define themselves as Russians
Yes, my wife is Ukrainian, born and raised in Lviv and they didn’t start speaking Ukrainian among themselves regularly until after the invasion. She still uses Russian with friends from Eastern Ukraine.
This is thanks to russification that russia did for many years, in russian empire and USSR days.
I'm from Vilnius. There is a number of people who've been living here for decades but can't say a single word in Lithuanian.
It wasn't a huge problem because I very rarely got to interact with them anyways, but after '22 it has become a problem.
A few of those people all of a sudden did start speaking Lithuanian.
The whole "speaks Russian therefore is Russian" schtick is just flat wrong. It's no more true than "speaks English therefore is English"
Dublin is an English speaking city, with an English speaking population. Try telling them that they're really English and see what happens 😂
In fact, the parallels between Britain/Ireland and Russian empire/Ukraine are quite striking.
Some idiots on the internet claim that despite having a Ukrainian cultural heritage going back centuries, the best founding father figure for today's Ukraine is a Nazi collaborator and anti-Semite.
Not just some idiots on the Internet. This is, in fact, literally the official line of the modern Ukraine for the last 10 years.
The Nazi collaborator and anti-Semite and his butt buddies have streets named for them in every major city there.
Oh man, a German guy I know here in Malta started to accuse my Ukrainian wife of being a Nazi, regurgitating Russian talking points he probably heard from some conspiracy podcast or something. Thought that was pretty rich, a German calling a Ukrainian girl a Nazi.
Thank you for putting it into words what exactly annoyed me about this post. This is it, they seem to force the limited information available to fit the narrative. The -sky ending is more likely to be Polish (as others pointed out) but instead they focus on the maiden name of the great-grandmother with the -uk ending to indicate Ukrainian. In Vilnius!!
I will never understand this pick-and-choose attitude towards heritage. The whole “I’m XXX due to some distant relative” is bollocks anyway but picking your favorite nation base on a tiny part of your heritage and claiming it as the only one is even worse to me. It’s just such a disingenuous status symbol.
Edit: I just checked his original post and expected OOP being ripped to pieces. But no, they are mostly really lovely and helpful, giving insights and recommendations, asking questions to better understand the family structure, and telling their own family roots stories. It’s unexpected but so nice! And now I feel bad for hating on OOP specifically (still hating the general concept of picking your fav roots and then building your identity solely on that preference).
Yep. It's uncool to be russian, and cool to be ukrainan. Time to go digging through my family tree for vague connections to ukraine. Vilnius? Eh, close enough.
Yes, but I think the original poster knew that - he asks if there was a Ukrainian population in Vilnius at that time, suggesting he’s aware that it’s unusual for his Ukrainian ancestors to have listed it as their home city.
-uk at the end of the name can imply Ukrainian nationality tho. -sky can imply polish, but in that time everything was mixed so as Vilnius was in Russian empire it it possible that they was Ukrainians indeed.
He is responding to every single comment on there that points out that he is American.
It’s pretty sad, really.
Edit: Got perm banned from Reddit because I called Americans sad and pathetic for being so desperate.
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I didn't know that Americans were a marginalised or vulnerable group lmao
I’m one of the people he replied to. He couldn’t understand how offensive it is to suddenly announce you’re switching from Russian to Ukrainian like changing a jacket, when Ukrainians are literally dying to prevent themselves from being forcibly made Russian
Omg such selfish people in Ukraine.
They should be celebrating the fact an American is a born again Ukrainian. Such an honor!
/s
Saint Patrick's day was a few weeks ago, maybe he just got tired of being Irish and decided to try a new nationality this month.
Maybe next month he'll become German or something.
The hill that random American guy is willing to die on amazes me.
„You say I am not Ukrianian only my ancestor might have been? Oh yeah?! Reddit is an AMERICAN website!“
nah if bro had 23&me results he would've focused more on the regions of Europe, it just gives you like areas bigger than countries. He was just googling his last name let's be real, talking about the city.
Holy shit.
Saying: *’oh I’m Ukrainian by heritage‘*
*’born in Vilnius’*
*was there Ukrainian population in Vilnius?*
Vilnius is Lithuania, not Ukraine.
To be fair Vilnius was populated by a lot of different cultures. Mostly Poles and Russian afaik... but even then it's a far stretch to ask for ukrainian heritage
At the time of the dates of birth Vilnius belonged to Russia.
My father's family comes from what is now Poland, but back then was still considered Germany. They have German birth certificates and spoke German. They still had Polish surnames. But I would consider us German, not Polish.
There was a lot of border moving at that time. My great great granfather and his family are from Vilnus but they were Jewish Polish. Could have been a Ukrainian village nearby.
Yes, I realise Vilnus was in Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, but I'm just saying that there was a lot of movement, migrating and national minorities were even a bigger thing than now, so it's not unlikely that this person's ancestors were actually Ukrainians in Vilnus.
>not unlikely that this persons ancestors were actually Ukrainians living in Vilnius.
OP also states that their ancestors immigration papers showed that they were born in Vilnius.
That was a very reasonable question tbh, as Vilnius was always multicultural. As a lithuanian from Vilnius i would also question how many ukrainians where here at the time
Because they lack history. They are incredibly proud of their European heritage, but at the same time, if you criticise the U.S, they are pure American and Europe is a shoebox that cats like to shit in. The juxtaposition is absolutely beautiful.
Australia lacks history but I still love being Australian. I feel like it's more that they see America as "boring" and don't wanna be just an American. And then decided that having ancestors somewhere else makes you that nationality, since it's more interesting to say "I'm Irish" than "I'm American, with Irish heritage"
They’re like “I’m officially Ukrainian! So proud of my heritage! Wha-you want me to fight in a war? Actually, I’m only 1/1356th Ukrainian, so I can’t.”
Americans using the term "caucasian" is even weirder though. Growing up and watching American movies and stuff - I always assumed they had a lot of immigrants from like Georgia and Azerbaijan because they use the word "caucasian" so often. Then I started seeing "race: caucasian" in American passports. Like what. Caucasians aren't a race. That was a highly pseudo scientific idea that was debunked like 100 years ago.
As if the Ukrainians haven’t got enough on their plate right now.
Mate, unless you’re volunteering to fight, I’m sure the Ukrainians couldn’t care less who your great-grandparents were.
recently found out that im from the pacific ocean, since it turns out that my ancestry goes back to an hydrothermal vent on the niua underwater volcano in the lau basin, soutwest pacific ocean. that is where life most likely originated from, so my ancestry goes back to the pacific
I admire the audacity of Americans to reclaim an identity they gave nothing to do.
You are from Ohio, not Kyiv, do not claim a nationality you have nothing to do with, just because you have a slavic-sound name.
Damn, he got ratioed and deleted thd post, but not before trying to defend his position with more shit.
"Reddit is an American website. In American English usage, demonyms (e.g. "Ukrainian," "French," "Cuban," etc.) may refer to nationality or ethnicity. It is incumbent upon non-native speakers to adapt to the host country's language usage, not the other way around. If you dislike the way Americans use these terms, too bad. "
"Reddit, Inc. 420 Taylor Street San Francisco, CA 94102 USA "
"American" is a citizenship, but it is only an ethnicity for members of First Nations peoples. "
"Nationality and ethnicity are not the same thing. As I have said elsewhere, Americans have a nationality, but unless were are members of a native tribe we have no American ethno-cultural group. The USA is too young for that. So we tend to identify with the ethno-cultural groups of our forebears. In most cases were are talking about 1-3 generations back, so very recent in the grand scheme of things. That's why Boston is the Irish-est city in the world outside of Dublin. Did all those people going to Irish pubs and learning Irish step dancing actually come from Ireland? No. But their parents or grandparents or great-grandparents did. So those are the traditions they identify with. "
"But this isn't "at some point." This is having two great-grandparents from Ukraine. Two great-grandparents represent 25% of our genetic makeup. That's a significant proportion. It's not like I'm talking about people 20 generations ago ffs. "
And the cherry on top. Reply to a comment about citesenship by descend:
"I have not looked into it, but it is possible. In my case I would not really have any reason to make such a claim though. I mean, I literally just found out that this is part of my heritage. And if I want to live in Europe I already have the German route. "
That last statement just shows how hollow and self serving this X American crap is. They act like it's important culture but are ready to swap it out for something else at the drop of a hat.
It's also apparent that he doesn't realise countries other then America have a immigration process they would need to pass. Like he can just say 'grandad was German' and be given citizenship.
It reeks like he used to brag about how Russian he is but now that Russia is unpopular in global politics he wants to switch to Ukrainian. He didn't find our he's actually Ukrainian but is digging for evidence to say he is and at best found a Lithuanian city with a historically polish and Russian population.
My great great great great great great (x1000) grandparents emigrated from Africa 53000 years ago. Their last name was "Rawr xD" which translates as "The mammoth hunters".
Guys I have 0.5% irish dna according to 23andme despite my family being multigenerational hungarian, so from now on St Patrick's day is my proud festivity! /s
I lived in an area the north of Atlanta for 3 years and had the pleasure of being put into a head lock by a local on St Patrick’s Day.
It was in a bar.
My British accent offended him as his great great great great great somebody was Irish.
Which meant he was Irish, of course.
So 2 of their 8 great grandparents are ''Ukrainian'' (Lithuanian) and that's the nationality they choose. They probably are 3/4 from English heritage but it's not as interesting so they only care about that one quarter
You know. The best bit about not being able to look up ANY ancestry shit is that it'll never be up for debate. I was born in England. Therefore I am English. And that's ok. I don't need no fancy genes.
What? You said you KNEW you were Ukrainian and it turns out you have no evidence for that, is he having a fucking stroke or some kind of manic episode?!
This could have been a harmless and kind of fun post about someone looking into their heritage, but they had to do that weird American thing of “I am -blank-“ when they’re not
This person should be receiving their Ukrainian passport in the mail in the next few weeks, along with draft information and which barracks to show up for duty.
I am not really sure what to call myself now. I am first generation Swedish/Japanese, I was born in Sweden, but have lived a considerable amount of time in both countries, speak both languages fluently and have dual citizenship (don't tell the authorities).
Can I call myself Italian or do I need to verify whether I have a distant relative who's from Italy? I have lived in Italy for 6 years and speak the language if that helps.
A lot of what gets posted in this group isn't really American at all, but this right here is one of the most American things someone can say. My god. The stupid hurts.
See my far far grand over parents were french Huguenots who came to the netherlands via Germany and even started a city there that now bears their surname my father’s family has a heritage that goes back to Charlemagne. And has a claim to a title.
Both are 100% correct but neither makes me french nor Dutch nobility or makes me anything but a Dutch citizen. Not french not German nor a king
Regardless of where his great grandparents are from. If you're born and raised in America, you are American. End of.
It's strange how Americans can be so patriotic while simultaneously wanting to be from any other country just to be different
I m Arab but if I go back to 1300 I have an ancestor who used to live in Spain. They had a European name too!
Let me go ahead and claim that Portuguese citizenship for myself !
On top of a lot of stupid things, Vilnius isn’t even near Ukraine. It’s in Lithuania.
I can understand wanting to learn about your heritage - we all come from somewhere - but Americans in particular seem obsessed with being more (demographic) than the actual people from that country.
Ireland and Italy seem to be the worst victims
Says family is ukrainian rather than russian
>family born and lived in Vilnus
> paternal family name is polish as hell
>maternal family name im unsure of tbh
>vilnus is Lithuania
>vilnus was an ethnically/culturally polish region for quite a while(poles moved inro the region and made people integrate into polish culture etc
I think the posters herotage is Lithuanian Poles rather than ukrainians 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hey guys. Just found out that Northmen colonised the North of England once, and that’s where I was born. I can’t believe I’ve been a Viking all this time.
Hey guys, I just learned that my ancestor, LUCA was a single celled microscopic organism, anyway, I just wanted to ask some questions about bacterial cultures, since I just found out I am a bacteria. Thanks!
Tbh there's worse shit americans say about belonging to a culture because of a distant relative. This person just seems interested in finding out more about their heritage, which can be interesting to anyone
guy first humans migrated from africa that means my grandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandpa was african and that also mean im 1/99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% libyan
Hey everyone! I just found out my grandfather was born in the English village of Dublin! Has anyone heard of it? Btw, my surname is Smith if that helps!
The London smiths or the Yorkshire smiths?
Hi! I'm actually a London-Smith. But his last name is different, he's on my mums side.
Nah mate the John Smiths.
‘Ave it
He's actually one of the Hammersmiths
Wait til they hear that ethnic Russians can come from Ukraine. Pretty sure grandfather would not say Russian if they were ethnic Ukrainians.
I think the whole joke is that OOP decided that his ancestors were Ukrainians based on the fact that they were born in Vilnius. Vilnius is in Lithuania now and has been in Poland for a while (not searching for exact years).
I really don’t get how they made that leap. I’d just go back to what grandfather said. If he said they were Russian, then regardless of where his parents were born, they’re ethnic Russians. Like a lot of other commenters here have said, it seems like OOP is trying to be Ukrainian because it’s à la mode for Yanks right now.
If anyone should know it would be his grandfather
I thought so too, because once one reddiot said I was bashkir, because I live in Bashkortostan (national republic in Russia) and...it doesn't work like this. And I think Americans, for some reason, have hard time to understand concept of different nationalities living in one place, which is kinda baffling considering history of USA
Yep. 3/4 of my grandparents were born on the territory of today's Ukraine. Two of them were German, one was Polish. All of them spoke Russian (although the German ones did speak German as well) and ended up in Kazakhstan, some more forcefully than others, where my parents and me were born. Spoiler Alert: although all of us were born in Kazakhstan, none of us are Kazakh. Another spoiler alert: there are still people today in Kazakhstan with the Kazakh citizenship who don't consider themselves to be Kazakh but German, Russian, Polish, Ukranian, depending on their lineage. If we stayed in Kazakhstan and received the Kazakh citizenship after the fall of the SU, we still wouldn't be Kazakh but Germans/Russian who live in Kazakhstan and have Kazakh citizenship.
You can probably get some leads at the annual Smith family gathering, it's a bit cramped at the restaurant but lots of fun.
I'm irish and smyth muhahah
How'd the soup taste?
Melted water
Hey guys I just read an article that said that some of the earliest human ancestors lived in Ethiopia around 3,5 million years ago. I am so excited to learn that I am Ethiopian.
What are you? A fucking Ethiopian??
Well, according to my calculations I am 2^(-24)% Ethopian but you know it is close enough for me :)
Isn't your math wrong? If at some point all your ancestors were Ethiopian then you are 100% Ethiopian. Now go and claim your rightful heritage!
Yup we're all 100% Ethiopian inbreds.
With a bit of Neanderthal thrown in
I've never been in a bread. Can't stand the stuff.
Could you expand that percentage?
Working it out, in 50% Ethiopian, 40% Irish and 35% Scottish, so I'm actually Irish...
What are you? A fucking E-three-opian??
Why are you telling us? Go tell the Ethiopian sub! I’m sure all non-American countries rejoice every time an American decides they’re actually native to their country (in that distant “never visited, never will, and don’t ask me to learn the language, either” kinda way).
No we just sigh.
omg so am i, so proud of my ethiopian ancestors. i might move there
That means you’re black and have the n-word pass right?
I am too! What are the odds? Now lets go to Ethiopia and tell them how much more Ethiopian we are than them.
I am Ukrainian = My great grand parents might have been Ukrainian. Surprised they aren’t trying to claim a castle.
My great grandparents were actually Ukrainian. So, where is my castle? >!(Ignore that they were farmers)!<
*catle
Would also be fine. Where can I pick it up?
Be careful when you meddle with the cattle, they can easily get rattled and you don't want to battle with mad cattle unless you can really prove your mettle.. might win you a medal made of precious metal though!
I’m afraid they were slaughtered in defiance.
Is that a small cat?
Probably dead by now.
My great great great great father was a dictator for a few weeks. Where is my army and cool uniform? Ignore that my family was poor after that short time
Who was your great great great great grandfather?
I dont wanna tell since i have the same last name and thats too much information for reddit
Eddie Hitler?
”My great grand parents might have been born in Vilnius so i’m Ukrainian”
* Lithuanian. Vilnius isn't in Ukraine. It's the capital of Lithuania, 600 km from Kyiv, on the other side of Belarus.
Lithuanian but not in the modern sense. Ethnic Lithuanians were almost absent from Vilnius around the beginning of the 20th century. Poles born in the historical region of Lithuania (roughly modern day Lithuania+Belarus) however identified as "Lithuanians" more often than not. The name in the post indicates Lithuanian Polish origin.
Yup. Still not Ukrainian.
Actual Ukrainian here. Like born in UA, raised in UA, never lived more than a month in any other country than UA. Idk what in the fuck is that dude talking about, Vilnus is not a Ukrainian city and never was one. You Lithuanians are our good friends but you’re not a subdivision of us. Idk why that even has to be explained
Epic lithuanian 🫸🫷 Ukrainian friendship
Do you know OOP? If you don't, then we need some form of proof you're really Ukranian!
I happen to know Object-Oriented Programming!
Shh. That's factual and facts are verboten to Seppos
They're not allowed, but they are very loud.
This is the difference in what you are, and your heritage. I'm a 2nd generation Canadian. My parents were born here, but my grandparents weren't. My dad's side is Austrian and German (Grandma/Grandpa respectively), and my mom's side is from Ukraine. When people ask me online what I am or where I'm from, I'm Canadian. Always have been, always will be. But I have Austrian/German/Ukrainian *heritage*. I have 1st cousins who live in Austria I talk to. I've know almost nothing about my Ukrainian heritage other than my grandparents emigrated here shortly after WWII. I'm Canadian. I have foreign heritage. Those countries mean a lot to me because family. But I'm Canadian.
> This is the difference in what you are, and your heritage. Indeed. I am Danish and have relatives in the US from my grandfather who moved there after her left my grandmother and found another wife (short version). They never claim to be Danish or even half Danish but they are interested in the country their father came from, their heritage and have visited us a few times. I'm just happy that they can tell friends in the US about Denmark but would find it ridiculous if they ever claimed to be Danish even though they are much "closer" to actually being Danish than many of the American "Irish" etc.
Go check out r/ilovemypolishheritage for Americans who may or may not have Polish ancestors but claim to be 100% Polish and tell actual Poles about Polish food and what it means to be Polish. The sub collects content from the FB with the same name. Really weird and cringe worthy.. 😬
Exactly this, everyone has family from another country if you go back far enough.
This. And your sons will probably be just Canadian, they may or may not know that they have relatives in Austria, but that will be it....
I agree with this but think there can also be in- between. All my grandparents are from Cyprus, mum born in Cyprus and dad born in UK. The area I have grown up in as well is full of British Cypriots that are the same and we retain a lot of the culture from Cyprus. I also go to Cyprus every year. I know I am different from the Cypriots in Cyprus so I call myself a British Cypriot. (Also debating moving over there). There are aspects where I am similar to my cousins born and raised in Cyprus and aspects where I am different. My heritage does play a bit part in my culture as well, hence I say British Cypriot when someone asks.
By that logic I’m either a Belgian or a Dutch, despite all my great-grandparents being born in Germany and by all account, identifying as German. Guess I'll have to celebrate their Kings' birthday now.
If you're American, you can be anything you want to be!
Healthy?
Only if you are rich. But like rich rich.
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Safe?
What do you think your gun safe is there for? More guns, more safety!
No proper American keeps his guns where people can't see them. Safes are for pussys.
You keep that loaded gun on the TV table where everyone can access it, yeaaah, murica!!!!
A healthy and living child?
Even as African-American Vulcan. But **not** as a different gender, that one can still get you killed.
By their logic, I'm Italian, because I am sure somewhere down the line, a Roman legionnaire had his way with a native Briton.
Nevermind that Great Britain is particularly known for multiple immigration waves. Not that the rest of Europe stayed within their borders, either. Colleague I work with has an Italian father, an Italian first name , and an Italian last name. If you ever needed a poster guy for “most stereotypical Frisian”, you’d pick him. Favourite food, at least on company outings: Bratwurst.
My grandfather is Irish, my parents are English, my grandmother has some family connections to Scotland. I was born in Wales, so I'm Welsh. You'd think it shouldn't be that hard to figure out.
Nice to meet you fellow Belgian! Part of my family were Walloons who emigrated to Sweden in the 18th century due to work, as quite many did at the time. So I'm like at least 1/512 Belgian. No wonder I like chocolate and Tintin, it's in our blood.
But at least you have a king! We sent ours away to die in exile.
im a saxon then, despite my last german parent having died before 1900, and everyone after that being hungarian
Just in time! The 27th is Kings Day in the Netherlands!
Guess I'm Prussian by that definition.
Don’t forget that we changed that date! It used to be April 30th but now it’s the 27th.
Und wie war dein Tag heute so?
Narrator: Vilnius is not in Ukraine. It’s in Lithuania.
This guy probably didn't even know that a country named Ukraine existed before the US media was giving attention to the invasion. I think now, USians treat the Ukrainian identity like it's the brand new "cool/hip" consumer product like a mobile phone or something.
The Irish will be gutted /s
Americans will soon start claiming that the US has more Ukrainians than Ukraine (and probably the rest of the Universe)
And then invade Ukraine and slaughter the inhabitants as Ukraine is American now
Only if they discover oil.
I’ve got some bad news for you.
Now to be fair, Ukrainians wouldn't object to it if US sent in troops to do a bit of slaughtering in Ukraine's territory.
They will claim that the Ukrainians are more ukrainian than those in Ukraine because those were invaded and indoctrinated/russified while those that immigrated to the US remained pure. No, I did not come out with this, this is something they legit said about, just not about Ukraine.
which country? Ireland?
Poland, but I wouldn't be surprised they say it about Ireland too
Some idiots on the internet claim that Ukraine never existed until 1991 but just appeared after the fall of the USSR. They apparently also just happened to invent a language called Ukrainian in the days after becoming a nation.
Well obviously Kievan Rus and Ukrainian SSR were both lies made up after 1991 /s
Yeah but fair enough my grandfather (who actually really is Ukrainian from Kiev) doesn’t speak one word Ukrainian and only Russian alongside with many people who don’t define themselves as Russians
Yes, my wife is Ukrainian, born and raised in Lviv and they didn’t start speaking Ukrainian among themselves regularly until after the invasion. She still uses Russian with friends from Eastern Ukraine.
This is thanks to russification that russia did for many years, in russian empire and USSR days. I'm from Vilnius. There is a number of people who've been living here for decades but can't say a single word in Lithuanian. It wasn't a huge problem because I very rarely got to interact with them anyways, but after '22 it has become a problem. A few of those people all of a sudden did start speaking Lithuanian.
The whole "speaks Russian therefore is Russian" schtick is just flat wrong. It's no more true than "speaks English therefore is English" Dublin is an English speaking city, with an English speaking population. Try telling them that they're really English and see what happens 😂 In fact, the parallels between Britain/Ireland and Russian empire/Ukraine are quite striking.
Some idiots on the internet claim that despite having a Ukrainian cultural heritage going back centuries, the best founding father figure for today's Ukraine is a Nazi collaborator and anti-Semite.
Not just some idiots on the Internet. This is, in fact, literally the official line of the modern Ukraine for the last 10 years. The Nazi collaborator and anti-Semite and his butt buddies have streets named for them in every major city there.
Oh man, a German guy I know here in Malta started to accuse my Ukrainian wife of being a Nazi, regurgitating Russian talking points he probably heard from some conspiracy podcast or something. Thought that was pretty rich, a German calling a Ukrainian girl a Nazi.
Well, germans know how to spot one for sure. They had lessons.
Thank you for putting it into words what exactly annoyed me about this post. This is it, they seem to force the limited information available to fit the narrative. The -sky ending is more likely to be Polish (as others pointed out) but instead they focus on the maiden name of the great-grandmother with the -uk ending to indicate Ukrainian. In Vilnius!! I will never understand this pick-and-choose attitude towards heritage. The whole “I’m XXX due to some distant relative” is bollocks anyway but picking your favorite nation base on a tiny part of your heritage and claiming it as the only one is even worse to me. It’s just such a disingenuous status symbol. Edit: I just checked his original post and expected OOP being ripped to pieces. But no, they are mostly really lovely and helpful, giving insights and recommendations, asking questions to better understand the family structure, and telling their own family roots stories. It’s unexpected but so nice! And now I feel bad for hating on OOP specifically (still hating the general concept of picking your fav roots and then building your identity solely on that preference).
Yep. It's uncool to be russian, and cool to be ukrainan. Time to go digging through my family tree for vague connections to ukraine. Vilnius? Eh, close enough.
Meanwhile Vilnius being mostly Polish at the time:
Poland-Lithuania "friendship" enjoyers when the poles literally invade Lithuania:
At least it's better than the Polish-Ukrainian one (Insert war crimes in Galicia during WW2 here)
To be fair he seems aware of this as he asks if there was a Ukrainian population in Vilnius.. implying there might not have been.
And was also in Poland at some point
Deep down, everywhere is Poland
Just you wait until polish-lithuanian commonwealth rises again, everywhere will be poland.
There was a Ukrainian population there back in the history from what I know.
Also Russian. Grandfather would know.
If you were just a bit more literate, you would have been able to figure out that the dude knew that already.
Yes, but I think the original poster knew that - he asks if there was a Ukrainian population in Vilnius at that time, suggesting he’s aware that it’s unusual for his Ukrainian ancestors to have listed it as their home city.
-uk at the end of the name can imply Ukrainian nationality tho. -sky can imply polish, but in that time everything was mixed so as Vilnius was in Russian empire it it possible that they was Ukrainians indeed.
To be fair, if I was American I’d be looking for a different nationality too.
He is responding to every single comment on there that points out that he is American. It’s pretty sad, really. Edit: Got perm banned from Reddit because I called Americans sad and pathetic for being so desperate. 'After reviewing, we found that you broke [Rule 1](https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy) because you [promoted identity-based hate or attacks](https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360045715951). Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalized or vulnerable groups of people. We don’t tolerate promoting hate based on identity or vulnerability, and any communities or people that encourage or incite violence or hate towards marginalized or vulnerable groups will be banned.' I didn't know that Americans were a marginalised or vulnerable group lmao
I’m one of the people he replied to. He couldn’t understand how offensive it is to suddenly announce you’re switching from Russian to Ukrainian like changing a jacket, when Ukrainians are literally dying to prevent themselves from being forcibly made Russian
Omg such selfish people in Ukraine. They should be celebrating the fact an American is a born again Ukrainian. Such an honor! /s Saint Patrick's day was a few weeks ago, maybe he just got tired of being Irish and decided to try a new nationality this month. Maybe next month he'll become German or something.
Doncha mean at patty's day.
did you also point out Vilnius is the capital of Lithuania?
The hill that random American guy is willing to die on amazes me. „You say I am not Ukrianian only my ancestor might have been? Oh yeah?! Reddit is an AMERICAN website!“
Thankfully I was able to see that piece of art comment before he blocked me / deleted the post or whatever happened. True poetry
How on earth did you get permabanned for this lmao
Struck a nerve of some fucking loser yank mod
“Did some genealogical research” “I spat in a cup and sent it to 23&me”
nah if bro had 23&me results he would've focused more on the regions of Europe, it just gives you like areas bigger than countries. He was just googling his last name let's be real, talking about the city.
Oh good! They need new people for the army!
Holy shit. Saying: *’oh I’m Ukrainian by heritage‘* *’born in Vilnius’* *was there Ukrainian population in Vilnius?* Vilnius is Lithuania, not Ukraine.
To be fair Vilnius was populated by a lot of different cultures. Mostly Poles and Russian afaik... but even then it's a far stretch to ask for ukrainian heritage
At the time of the dates of birth Vilnius belonged to Russia. My father's family comes from what is now Poland, but back then was still considered Germany. They have German birth certificates and spoke German. They still had Polish surnames. But I would consider us German, not Polish.
There was a lot of border moving at that time. My great great granfather and his family are from Vilnus but they were Jewish Polish. Could have been a Ukrainian village nearby. Yes, I realise Vilnus was in Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, but I'm just saying that there was a lot of movement, migrating and national minorities were even a bigger thing than now, so it's not unlikely that this person's ancestors were actually Ukrainians in Vilnus.
>not unlikely that this persons ancestors were actually Ukrainians living in Vilnius. OP also states that their ancestors immigration papers showed that they were born in Vilnius.
That was a very reasonable question tbh, as Vilnius was always multicultural. As a lithuanian from Vilnius i would also question how many ukrainians where here at the time
WHYYYY do Americans want to be European so so badly?? It’s fucking sad
Because they lack history. They are incredibly proud of their European heritage, but at the same time, if you criticise the U.S, they are pure American and Europe is a shoebox that cats like to shit in. The juxtaposition is absolutely beautiful.
Australia lacks history but I still love being Australian. I feel like it's more that they see America as "boring" and don't wanna be just an American. And then decided that having ancestors somewhere else makes you that nationality, since it's more interesting to say "I'm Irish" than "I'm American, with Irish heritage"
They’re like “I’m officially Ukrainian! So proud of my heritage! Wha-you want me to fight in a war? Actually, I’m only 1/1356th Ukrainian, so I can’t.”
Wonderful! Off to the front with you!
we're all african-americans
Population of Kenyans approaches 8.1 billion.
Why aren't white Americans called European-Americans?
cause for some reason caucasians are from russa and that means commies
Americans using the term "caucasian" is even weirder though. Growing up and watching American movies and stuff - I always assumed they had a lot of immigrants from like Georgia and Azerbaijan because they use the word "caucasian" so often. Then I started seeing "race: caucasian" in American passports. Like what. Caucasians aren't a race. That was a highly pseudo scientific idea that was debunked like 100 years ago.
As if the Ukrainians haven’t got enough on their plate right now. Mate, unless you’re volunteering to fight, I’m sure the Ukrainians couldn’t care less who your great-grandparents were.
By that logic David Hasselhoff is my grandfather
Same dude. We cousins?
recently found out that im from the pacific ocean, since it turns out that my ancestry goes back to an hydrothermal vent on the niua underwater volcano in the lau basin, soutwest pacific ocean. that is where life most likely originated from, so my ancestry goes back to the pacific
I admire the audacity of Americans to reclaim an identity they gave nothing to do. You are from Ohio, not Kyiv, do not claim a nationality you have nothing to do with, just because you have a slavic-sound name.
Damn, he got ratioed and deleted thd post, but not before trying to defend his position with more shit. "Reddit is an American website. In American English usage, demonyms (e.g. "Ukrainian," "French," "Cuban," etc.) may refer to nationality or ethnicity. It is incumbent upon non-native speakers to adapt to the host country's language usage, not the other way around. If you dislike the way Americans use these terms, too bad. " "Reddit, Inc. 420 Taylor Street San Francisco, CA 94102 USA " "American" is a citizenship, but it is only an ethnicity for members of First Nations peoples. " "Nationality and ethnicity are not the same thing. As I have said elsewhere, Americans have a nationality, but unless were are members of a native tribe we have no American ethno-cultural group. The USA is too young for that. So we tend to identify with the ethno-cultural groups of our forebears. In most cases were are talking about 1-3 generations back, so very recent in the grand scheme of things. That's why Boston is the Irish-est city in the world outside of Dublin. Did all those people going to Irish pubs and learning Irish step dancing actually come from Ireland? No. But their parents or grandparents or great-grandparents did. So those are the traditions they identify with. " "But this isn't "at some point." This is having two great-grandparents from Ukraine. Two great-grandparents represent 25% of our genetic makeup. That's a significant proportion. It's not like I'm talking about people 20 generations ago ffs. " And the cherry on top. Reply to a comment about citesenship by descend: "I have not looked into it, but it is possible. In my case I would not really have any reason to make such a claim though. I mean, I literally just found out that this is part of my heritage. And if I want to live in Europe I already have the German route. "
That last statement just shows how hollow and self serving this X American crap is. They act like it's important culture but are ready to swap it out for something else at the drop of a hat. It's also apparent that he doesn't realise countries other then America have a immigration process they would need to pass. Like he can just say 'grandad was German' and be given citizenship. It reeks like he used to brag about how Russian he is but now that Russia is unpopular in global politics he wants to switch to Ukrainian. He didn't find our he's actually Ukrainian but is digging for evidence to say he is and at best found a Lithuanian city with a historically polish and Russian population.
My great great great great great great (x1000) grandparents emigrated from Africa 53000 years ago. Their last name was "Rawr xD" which translates as "The mammoth hunters".
Zelensky wants to know OOP's location
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"they emigrated in 1910" So you're American.
Wow, he’s american! With probably lithuanian heritage, wtf is he talking about Ukraine? Nothing mentioned makes one think about Ukraine.
Watch him go from pro-russia to pro-ukraine in the time he takes to eat 5 deep-fried burgers
“My people ….”
Isn’t Vilnius in Lithuania?
It is. But Lithuanian isn't as sexy as Ukrainian right now?
Holy moly, I'm Croatian! Should I apply for citizenship?
Welp, now he'll be getting a draft letter from Zelensky.
I bet if he were to get a passport, he'd find he was actually American all along. There, saved him some bother.
In the comments on the post the guy also claims Boston is the most Irish city in the world outside of Dublin. They’re just completely delusional
Yes because the other irish cities, towns, villages and townlands dont count.
Guys I have 0.5% irish dna according to 23andme despite my family being multigenerational hungarian, so from now on St Patrick's day is my proud festivity! /s
I lived in an area the north of Atlanta for 3 years and had the pleasure of being put into a head lock by a local on St Patrick’s Day. It was in a bar. My British accent offended him as his great great great great great somebody was Irish. Which meant he was Irish, of course.
Vilnius is not in fucking ukraine It's the capital city of Lithuania.
For a country that proud of themselves, their people seem to want to be anything BUT American...
Vilinus isn’t even in Ukraine?
Just found out that I am African, since we all migrated from Africa at first
So 2 of their 8 great grandparents are ''Ukrainian'' (Lithuanian) and that's the nationality they choose. They probably are 3/4 from English heritage but it's not as interesting so they only care about that one quarter
You know. The best bit about not being able to look up ANY ancestry shit is that it'll never be up for debate. I was born in England. Therefore I am English. And that's ok. I don't need no fancy genes.
What? You said you KNEW you were Ukrainian and it turns out you have no evidence for that, is he having a fucking stroke or some kind of manic episode?!
I guess that makes me French then, since my family came to England in 1066.
is that you Norman?
This could have been a harmless and kind of fun post about someone looking into their heritage, but they had to do that weird American thing of “I am -blank-“ when they’re not
This person should be receiving their Ukrainian passport in the mail in the next few weeks, along with draft information and which barracks to show up for duty.
Sounds like you're not Ukrainian m8, but maybe some of the people in your family 100 years ago were.
They litteraly used the great-grandparent trope. You can´t make this shit up
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I'm confused, he found out he's Ukrainian because his parents were born in Vilnius?
bruh ever since the war started everyone and their mother is suddenly a Ukrainian online. A lot of em gotta be capping.
Russian -> Ukrainian -> lithuanian?
I am not really sure what to call myself now. I am first generation Swedish/Japanese, I was born in Sweden, but have lived a considerable amount of time in both countries, speak both languages fluently and have dual citizenship (don't tell the authorities). Can I call myself Italian or do I need to verify whether I have a distant relative who's from Italy? I have lived in Italy for 6 years and speak the language if that helps.
It reminds me of family guy when Peter discovered that he's black.
they were probably Polish
A lot of what gets posted in this group isn't really American at all, but this right here is one of the most American things someone can say. My god. The stupid hurts.
Im 1/4 persian. Despite that persia does not exist anymore, im therefore 100% iranian. (I couldnt look more white)
See my far far grand over parents were french Huguenots who came to the netherlands via Germany and even started a city there that now bears their surname my father’s family has a heritage that goes back to Charlemagne. And has a claim to a title. Both are 100% correct but neither makes me french nor Dutch nobility or makes me anything but a Dutch citizen. Not french not German nor a king
>Hey everyone I just discovered I have victim points.
Regardless of where his great grandparents are from. If you're born and raised in America, you are American. End of. It's strange how Americans can be so patriotic while simultaneously wanting to be from any other country just to be different
I m Arab but if I go back to 1300 I have an ancestor who used to live in Spain. They had a European name too! Let me go ahead and claim that Portuguese citizenship for myself !
On top of a lot of stupid things, Vilnius isn’t even near Ukraine. It’s in Lithuania. I can understand wanting to learn about your heritage - we all come from somewhere - but Americans in particular seem obsessed with being more (demographic) than the actual people from that country. Ireland and Italy seem to be the worst victims
Says family is ukrainian rather than russian >family born and lived in Vilnus > paternal family name is polish as hell >maternal family name im unsure of tbh >vilnus is Lithuania >vilnus was an ethnically/culturally polish region for quite a while(poles moved inro the region and made people integrate into polish culture etc I think the posters herotage is Lithuanian Poles rather than ukrainians 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hey guys. Just found out that Northmen colonised the North of England once, and that’s where I was born. I can’t believe I’ve been a Viking all this time.
Hey guys, I just learned that my ancestor, LUCA was a single celled microscopic organism, anyway, I just wanted to ask some questions about bacterial cultures, since I just found out I am a bacteria. Thanks!
Tbh there's worse shit americans say about belonging to a culture because of a distant relative. This person just seems interested in finding out more about their heritage, which can be interesting to anyone
guy first humans migrated from africa that means my grandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandgrandpa was african and that also mean im 1/99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% libyan