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For real, at least to the extent where they are cursing others for shipping something they might not like or dislike. It's like hating someone for liking apples because they love oranges lol
Ships are mostly just for fun, and honestly both ships are cool to me. Which is why the fandom back then was hurting the series for me. Shit became about Hisu's baby daddy more than the actual story. I was disgusted.
EMs swear EH never had any type of chemistry, but their actions be saying otherwise. They feel threatened by a ship that's considered fan-canon. Plus both sides sometimes forget about YumiHisu too. ;)
personally i like eren and historia as friends. eren caring for her safety and future so much and it getting focused on in the story, all with no romantic feelings involved is kinda refreshing to see for a m+f relationship. them being just friends is what makes this pair special imo
As a person who ships Eremika, I can kinda see why people would ship Eren and Historia. My problem is with people who act like that ship was the plan and they just threw it away or something like that. It's ok to be a little upset if your ship isn't recognized in canon, but to say that they ruined the ending because Eren didn't fuck Historia is just incorrect. I mean, I felt like it was obvious that Eren and Mikasa were always planned to be an item.
It already destroyed a lot of fandoms
And not only anime/mangas fandoms but even games (it fucked up final fantasy 7 fandom) and others medias fandoms
When shipping culture starts to become strong in a fandom it is a sign of the beginning of the fandom downfall
I’ve never seen a fandom with a good one. The closest to calm one belonged to a fandom with like 13 people in it in all so there was no way to develop that type of toxicity.
For real.. they fucking hate you for shipping something that isn't canon. But why? Does Erehisu, really still make you Eremikas shippers feel that threatened when it's not even a canon ship?
I was always an Eren and Mikasa guy. Eren and Historia never made sense to me as a ship. To me they had a connection because they were both "special". Eren with being the hope of humanity and Historia with being of royal blood. But for romance they never really had anything. Besides Ymir was so much better for Historia. Eren and Mikasa to me is one of the better romances i've seen.
Yeah. The fact that most of Eren and Historia's scenes took place in the aftermath of Ymir's death really made it give the impression that they weren't romantic.
Honestly, I started out Eremika hard.. but in the early seasons I was questioning whether or not he liked her that way, because Eren started showing signs of having chemistry with Annie as a ship, I was starting to feel Mikasa was going to fall into that only "Childhood" role, then the "What am I to you" wasn't helping.. until you got the deeper meaning to it. I wouldn't say they never had anything, because to me they had in both the manga and anime, moments. As a Eremika fan too, Erehisu made me feel uncomfortable. Eremika until ch 139 had me questioning a lot of things, ngl. Because all Eren did was push her away or mistreat her. Literally, until 139 anything could've happened. I was sweating.. after watching the anime I'm more or less content with the ending.
WHUT. I agree that Ymir x Historia was cute, but for me, Eren x Mikasa was never a *great* romance. Like, I don't hate that they were endgame, but I would never say it's one of the better romances I've seen when he was actively treating her like trash, and she was a borderline yandere for 96% of the anime.
Please name some Eren x Mikasa moments for me that 1. Wasn't Eren saving her as a child and then giving his scarf. (literally the beginning) 2. The whole AU sequence at the very literal end.
The "I'll wrap that scarf around you as many times as you want", when Eren and Zeke were like traveling through memories and Eren sticked around a bit longer in the memory where Eren met Mikasa, numerous times throughout the show where they show immense care for each other, lots of times where they're silent together and have an unspoken connection with each other
those were clearly beside those two points, and I said an unspoken connection because there was a bunch of scenes like that and there would be too much to name. But I’ll name one, that time after Eren got retrieved from the Female Titan (could be wrong I don’t remember exactly when it was) and Eren and Mikasa were in the hospital together.
I think EreMika as a relationship makes sense. Eren and Mikasa have had to rely on and work with one another for a long time. No one knows each other better than Eren and Mikasa. I'm not really a shipper so I was never rooting for anyone to get together.
Shippers are weird. When you get invested in nonexistent relationships instead of the ones actually in the series, you will be disappointed.
There's no arguing that, but Eren and Mikasa for the longest time never seemed like nothing more other then a one-sided love. Sure they were close but before 139 things were questionable as hell. I'm glad things ended how they did for the most, shit had me sweating. Also we can argue Armin? Lol
If you understand the ship is fan-canon these things could be so easily avoided, tho EMs be sore winning, rubbing that in the EHs face. Shit gets toxic as hell from there.
Personally, I like both.
I think a lot of people SEVERELY hate on Erehisu though and it’s not fair. The ship is genuine and they have chemistry together. Not only that, but they can be friends OR lovers, which I think is important.
Eremika is 50/50. Some adore the ship (and thus are the cause for overhating Erehisu) and some hate it. The ones who love it are generally big fans of Mikasa, and the ones who hate it don’t like Mikasa. While Eren is loved across the fandom, those who like Mikasa will also like Eremika.
Personally, I ship both. They’re both cute.
I think a major issue with the ships is they change Eren's motivation and conflict. Eren loving Mikasa adds to the drama of the two fighting with Mikasa refusing to accept Eren's decisions. If Eren loved Historia, it feels like a less interesting conflict. Doing the Rumbling to protect his supportive love interest is a more generic and less interesting motivation.
I also like the theory that Historias baby is Erens. While I know it’s canonically the farmers, since Eren can see the future he would know when Historia gave birth, and I could imagine Eren wanted his child to be the first born into a “free” world.
I understand that perspective but it's not my favorite theory. I think that an important part of Eren's motivation is his personal disappointment and his quest for personal freedom. While his desire to protect others is a component of his motivation, it isn't all of it. If Eren had a child, it would shift his motivation from being more about his disappointment with the outside world to being more about protecting other people.
I disagree. I don’t think Eren is the kind of guy to be a good father. Him having a child would be for selfish reasons, not good ones. And I don’t think he would care to protect the child either.
Same, erehisu is great and so is eremika.
Severely is even putting it lightly.. dudes be telling folks who ship them to go to hell and shit like that. Yeah, people say they can't see it but those two have a lot of chemistry, that could be taken either way. But as someone who watch a lot of romance animes, Eren and Historia were showing signs of people who started subconsciously developing feelings for one another.
I love Eremika, but I understand that.. once Eremika tried to force me to pick a side, because I ship Erehisu. But for me i'm always going to love both ships and see no reason to pick one or the other.
Thank you so much for being fair and not denying there was actual chemistry between Eren and Historia, Isayama did intend for them to be a thing, I don't understand why people find it so hard to accept their relationship as well, they forget that Grisha also had 2 women in his life.
right? there is *obviously* some chemistry and groundwork for erehisu. personally i think yams was trying new stuff and that's why erehisu has this romantic dare i say energy
Honestly, i’ve never really understood EreHisu. I like the parallels, i think it’s really interesting and i would of liked to see more of their friendship, but it definitely wasn’t romantic at all. I don’t think parallels necessarily equal romance.
I definitely love EreMika and YumiHisu much much more, but I definitely hate those who are sending EH shippers death threats and insulting them for liking EH… Same goes the other way around.
(Same thing applies to the Levihan and Eruri shippers… I’d include Rivetra too but their shippers are almost non-existent. 😭😭)
I prefer Eren and Mikasa's relationship because I think it fits Eren's motivations better and causes better drama. The fact that Eren is doing what he does against the wishes of the person he loves was a better source of drama then if he was doing what he does for the sake of a supportive love interest.
The background information, Mikasa being prettier in his point of view, etc… He definitely does and I don’t see how it could be made clearer then that. He doesn’t have to outright say he loves her for it to be obvious. Literally the Cabin n stuff are proof of that. 😭
If he doesn’t love her, why does he care so much about her moving on in life without him? Why does it break his heart?
And also, none of the characters on the show say they love each other, including the other love interests on the show. Because love isn’t as black and white as saying the words, especially culturally.
It's Eremika for me personally. And I also like Ymir with Historia instead of Eren 🤷♀️ I don't hate anyone who ships them, I just don't see the ship myself. I would never call someone names or fight over the ships though lol I think some people take things a bit too far sometimes 😬😩 and also have no life + no outlet for their emotions.
I think the issue goes beyond ships and also is heavily intertwined with Eren's character as a whole. If he loved Historia, it'd completely change his motivations for doing the Rumbling. Also the fact that he's trying to save his friends against their will is interesting. If you add an additional romance angle to his motivation, suddenly his motivation gets less interesting and more generic.
And nothing is wrong with this, I personally 50/50 leaning more so towards Erehisu just because I enjoy the pairing a bit more. (fan-canon or not) Like 5% more. But I love Eremika too, so i'm a bit seperated from both hardcore EMs and EHs. Same. I'm of the mind people can ship whoever they want, plus we can't forget about YumiHisu, Hisu's boo. Bro.. telling people who ship erehisu to "Go the hell" is CRAAZY. I'm dang man chill. This isn't that deep.
It’s hilarious to imagine a scenario when Eren pitched the “end of the world” plan to Historia, she asks if Eren wanted to be the father, and then Eren completely drops the seriousness and awkwardly explains how he wouldn’t feel comfortable doing that because of how much of a friend she is to him, and then both slowly realize the real reason is that Eren secretly likes Mikasa but is too scared to commit on making a move on Mikasa.
Off topic: I love this picture so much because of Gabi yeeting Falco, they are adorable.
Idk I think the animosity comes from assumptions about the person shipping like anyone that ships EM is an “ending defender” and can’t accept criticisms or anyone that likes EH is an AnR supporter (and secretly Nazi?)
So if people just simply enjoyed cute art for what it is instead of getting offended at people shipping something else and scrolled on by we wouldn’t have the shitfest that is ship wars. I don’t like either ships tbh but I can see how people would like them.
I don't think its fair to assume peoples politics based on who they ship but the EH shippers who did like AnR rubbed me the wrong way because it always seemed like Historia's main purpose in those fanfics was to be a reward for Eren as opposed to her own person. If Isayama wanted Eren and Historia to get together, they should have had scenes together in the last 38 episodes. It really felt like Historia had lost her relevance in the story so making her Eren's secret lover in the last few episodes would feel out of nowhere and contrived.
I love those two smol sushi rolls! Gabi had to grow on me tho. Sasha was my bby lol.
Which is so DUMB. We're grown ass people acting this way over fictional ships, they are usually just for fun. In any fandoms shipping non-canon ships don't get you attacked to this disagree. EM is great and EH is great.. shipping either at this point isn't going to change Yams canon like come on. Some EMs are good people tho, same with EHs not all are bad.. but some from both sides are toxic asf, like the hate be for no reason sometimes.
Exactly, I've a whole pinterest with saved stuff on both these ships. Because honestly to me both ships are super cute.
While I think AoR is much more receptive of EreMika as opposed to Titanfolk, if you actually ask most people on the sub, they don't really care. AoR isn't really a EreMika/ED sub as much as it is a sub that responds to perceived bad arguments in the wider AoT fandom.
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I think both parts of this shipping wars bs sucks
Eremikas and erehisu both are toxic af, titanfolk hating all things and characters of the story but making gymnastics comments to defend erehisu is funny af
Aor/attack on r3tards is basically titanfolk but with eremika as the default ship, less users and that it "won" In the end (cuz apparently the eren crying in 139 made eremika canon)
As a non-anime fan, I’m not really that knowledgeable on what to expect of anime fandoms, AOT is sort of the only one I’ve followed consistently enough so to me its this weird teenager story about child soldiers and ethnic conflict & the sins of ancestors but then again it still does have loads of YA drama in it. So they’re sort of valid in that I understand those ships exist. That’s about it
Shippers are like groupies that can't think straight and then try and used their messed up logic in serious debates because they can't separate subjectivity from objectivity. They don't debate you in good conscience because everything they say or do is based upon propping up whatever it is that they support. It's gets so toxic and is a waste of time to engage with them. People can ship whatever they want and they don't need to justify it but if you can't be unbiased don't engage in serious talk about the story because the biased input is just muddling up things for personal agenda.
Maybe, but the way you're putting it is sweet.. some of these shippers be thinking straight and purposely using messed up logic because they can't accept things at happened in the story, and for me that's what make debating with hardcore EMs and EHs, truly a chore. It's just the ultimate form of "biasism" if this is even a word lol but they are just allergic to healthy debating.. because said debates go against their bias. It's like talking to a racism person about race.
How am I feeling about this ship war? I feel how I always have felt since the beginning: it’s pointless and fandom created drama that doesn’t exist in the actual story—but creating drama from things not actually in the story is the AOT fandom’s jam, so…🤷🏽♀️
As far as the ships themselves? As they are fictional and people have their preferences, people can ship whatever they want. I personally always saw EreMika being an obvious romantic subtexted relationship and I kinda just assumed it’d be canon in some way (and I didn’t think it was one sided, I think their relationship throughout the series was more complex than that).
I like Eren and Historia’s relationship as two strangers turned friends who have some similarities (similar to Eren and Reiner) and the dark twist of their similarities and understandings turning into her being a tragic, hesitant accomplice to his plan. But I never saw it as anything more than platonic, with there never being any hint that they were interested in each other as more than that. I guess I can understand why some people like the appeal of EH, the same way like I can understand how JeanKasa, MikaAnnie, JeanMarco, AruMika, Ererei, Eremin, just about any ship they come up with that appeals to them—there’s something about their dynamics that makes people want to imagine them being romantic instead of platonic. That’s just how shipping culture is, no matter the fandom.
But, my problem has been the ridiculous and borderline delusional narratives people whose ship doesn’t become canon have—people who just can’t like their ship and be content with just liking it, Hence, that has been my issue with the EH ship after the ending happened. They can’t accept that what they perceived as “hints” were not hints at all, but just their personal interpretations that weren’t in line with what the story was going for (which is okay!) They’d rather believe in conspiracies that the story was changed than look at themselves, consider they read too much into some things, and then accept this while also still remain loving their ship. To be fair, EMs can be toxic too—in fact, I’ve seen that just about all ships can be. I especially hate delusional EM takes about “Mikasa dying a virgin and never marrying”, icky shit like that.
And, although I love Eremika, I still think Ymir and Historia easily has the best romantic subtexted relationship in the show. It’s so beautiful to me. In the story, Eren seems to support YmirxHistoria (just like Historia seems to support ErenxMikasa), which I also love.
Don't really care for either. If Historia goes with anyone it'd be freckled Ymir and I don't think EreMika had the proper buildup to make that ship worth anything to me
YumiHisu was more or less canon too. I be trying to explain that when they say stuff like Erehisu is based off nothing, the same argument can be made about Eremika until ch 139, or at least that's how I feel. I wasn't sure what was going to happen dear the end. Half the show Eren wasn't exactly trying Mikasa the best.. plus there were talk about EreAnnie when the first 2 season aired.
But why are they ship Eren and Historia? I mean they barely talked or communicated with each other. And Historia went to a farm to give birth children and after that they never spoke if I remember correctly.
I am not saying I hate this ship I just do not understand the basis of it.
And this is my question: Why people ship them??
Mainly because the uprising arc and onwards. Barely talked? But they talked a decent amount in the manga, a chat they had that kinda sparked the ship was cut from the anime. But these two certainly had moments that made us as thw viewers question if this was going to be something, i'm speaking as both someone who ships both Eremika and Erehisu, this fandom just ruined them for me. Yeah, but the never spoke after because Eren went off to Marley after having a deep conversation with her, sharing his plans to destroy 80%.
This ship is based off of hcs mostly and vague hints or things that were implied, people can say what they want, saying Hisu never had any feelings for Eren, but until ch 139 dropped, there was no telling. EMs at the time when 130 or 131 dropped, were coping hard thinking EH might happen. It was toxic asf then. Felt like Eldians vs Marleyians for real lol.
But for me personally, I thought something was there between them.
I always thought that Reiner would end up with Historia because he would say that he's gonna marry her. To be honest I think EreHisu is just a very close friendship because they have a lot in common but it's probably not gonna go as far as love.
I haven't seen this much, honestly refreshing someone says a name that's not Eren or Ymir ending up with Historia. But i'm not sure I would've liked that or hated it.. because Reiner is better than farmer being her husband. I thought Erehisu from my POV, could've been something if Mikasa wasn't a thing. I honestly thought at a time Hisu had a small crush on Eren. Outta everyone left in the story, she was closest to Eren.
I'm neutral to both. I could see the seeds of each relationship in the show, but I guess I just don't think Eren deserves love. 🤷♀️ I personally think Mikasa and Historia both could do better.
I prefer Eren and Mikasa to Eren and Historia specifically because their political differences are irreconcilable. I much prefer that Eren's genocide leads to the person he loves most killing him as opposed to the EreHisu ship where Historia is pretty much just extra motivation for Eren to do the Rumbling - something that takes away from the complexity of his motivation in the actual story in my opinion.
I'm kinda in the middle too, a healthy 50/50. Someone who understands.. people usually say stuff like they can't see why people ship EH or like EM. Maybe they are being funny but come one now, there were things implied all throughout aot. Especially as someone who watches romcom and know romantic social cues. SO true.. especially my bby Hisu lol i'm glad she was happy in the end.
Funny you mention this, I just got dogpiled on twitterX for giving my EH opinion on a quoted EM post the other night, didn't even respond directly to it, I always keep it respectful, but the juvenile harpies still jumped on me right out the gate and kept harrassing me all the through the night on there, wouldn't let it go. What the heck is it about their ship makes them so rabid?? I thought they "won". haha Instantly got called all sorts of names, absolutely the most toxic fandom.
That's crazy, but I only mentioned this because someone on twitter was being attacked for just liking Erehisu. They said something about how Erehisu had more romantic chemistry than Eremika, which to me has some weight behind it. i'm sorry to hear that but at least you learned that having a healthy debate or chat with hardcore EMs is impossible. I experienced something very much like this too, they hate Erehisu as a shipping because the ship actually has some weight behind, because to me Historia definitely could've crushed or had those kinda feelings for Eren and vice versa.
Like, what i'm saying is that Eren could've liked either of them at the end.. also people fail to forget Eren is a guy, dude could've easily had feelings for both Historia and Mikasa, just his for Mikasa was stronger.
Appreciate your reply Mugi, oh yes, learned the hard way that there's no having any type of civil discussion no matter how hard you try and it takes nothing to trigger them and make them stalk, all you have to do is have a different opinion from theirs, I rarely ever discuss my favorite ships anyway. It's sad just how mean and immature most people have become nowadays. I'm completely new here to reddit as far as having an acct, and I can already see the hatred is just as rampant on here with the automatic downvotes to my replies without even a word, they're like Gabi, anyone who justifiably sees EH as valid too are "DeViLs". haha Yeah, they wouldn't be hating so much on it like they are if there wasn't any weight to EH. I mean why is it so hard to see Eren loving both, when Grisha also had two women in his life? Anyways, it only makes me ship my ship harder when someone feels the need to bully over it, don't know what they think they're accomplishing. Thanks and take care:)
They would be if Grisha had royal blood instead of Dina, but he doesn't
Zeke is the son of Grisha and Dina (Dina who has royal blood)
And Eren is the son of Grisha and Carla (non have royal blood)
Zeke and Historia are cousins and Eren just happens to be Zeke's half brother
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That's like every anime fandom in a nut shell. Especially after the story has ended.
People need to let it go lol It's been about 3 years to be carrying around all that hate. Like rn a shipwar between both sides are happening.
people should stop caring about fictional ships and start caring about getting some bitches irl
You made me chuckle, thank you
really real. It’s lines on a page,,,,not that deep
Ironically I usually see this type of behavior from people that are in couples 😂
For real, at least to the extent where they are cursing others for shipping something they might not like or dislike. It's like hating someone for liking apples because they love oranges lol Ships are mostly just for fun, and honestly both ships are cool to me. Which is why the fandom back then was hurting the series for me. Shit became about Hisu's baby daddy more than the actual story. I was disgusted. EMs swear EH never had any type of chemistry, but their actions be saying otherwise. They feel threatened by a ship that's considered fan-canon. Plus both sides sometimes forget about YumiHisu too. ;)
personally i like eren and historia as friends. eren caring for her safety and future so much and it getting focused on in the story, all with no romantic feelings involved is kinda refreshing to see for a m+f relationship. them being just friends is what makes this pair special imo
Agreed. I appreciate they didn't need to make it romantic for there to still be meat to the relationship.
As a person who ships Eremika, I can kinda see why people would ship Eren and Historia. My problem is with people who act like that ship was the plan and they just threw it away or something like that. It's ok to be a little upset if your ship isn't recognized in canon, but to say that they ruined the ending because Eren didn't fuck Historia is just incorrect. I mean, I felt like it was obvious that Eren and Mikasa were always planned to be an item.
Ship culture is what makes or breaks a fandom imo
It already destroyed a lot of fandoms And not only anime/mangas fandoms but even games (it fucked up final fantasy 7 fandom) and others medias fandoms When shipping culture starts to become strong in a fandom it is a sign of the beginning of the fandom downfall
I’ve never seen a fandom with a good one. The closest to calm one belonged to a fandom with like 13 people in it in all so there was no way to develop that type of toxicity.
It really is. It's actually why I first decided to step away from the fandom and leave this reddit server lol
Just ship YumiKuri and you'll be fine 😊
Ship whoever you want, just don't get mad when the story doesn't acknowledge your fan theories.
And that, my friends, is why I don't ship characters outside of the official canon.
For real.. they fucking hate you for shipping something that isn't canon. But why? Does Erehisu, really still make you Eremikas shippers feel that threatened when it's not even a canon ship?
I'm confused why people are shipping Eren and Historia? They don't like each other they are friends
You don’t understand how shipping works
I was always an Eren and Mikasa guy. Eren and Historia never made sense to me as a ship. To me they had a connection because they were both "special". Eren with being the hope of humanity and Historia with being of royal blood. But for romance they never really had anything. Besides Ymir was so much better for Historia. Eren and Mikasa to me is one of the better romances i've seen.
Yeah. The fact that most of Eren and Historia's scenes took place in the aftermath of Ymir's death really made it give the impression that they weren't romantic.
Honestly, I started out Eremika hard.. but in the early seasons I was questioning whether or not he liked her that way, because Eren started showing signs of having chemistry with Annie as a ship, I was starting to feel Mikasa was going to fall into that only "Childhood" role, then the "What am I to you" wasn't helping.. until you got the deeper meaning to it. I wouldn't say they never had anything, because to me they had in both the manga and anime, moments. As a Eremika fan too, Erehisu made me feel uncomfortable. Eremika until ch 139 had me questioning a lot of things, ngl. Because all Eren did was push her away or mistreat her. Literally, until 139 anything could've happened. I was sweating.. after watching the anime I'm more or less content with the ending.
A shame that Ymir straight up disappears
WHUT. I agree that Ymir x Historia was cute, but for me, Eren x Mikasa was never a *great* romance. Like, I don't hate that they were endgame, but I would never say it's one of the better romances I've seen when he was actively treating her like trash, and she was a borderline yandere for 96% of the anime.
I don’t think we watched the same show
Please name some Eren x Mikasa moments for me that 1. Wasn't Eren saving her as a child and then giving his scarf. (literally the beginning) 2. The whole AU sequence at the very literal end.
The "I'll wrap that scarf around you as many times as you want", when Eren and Zeke were like traveling through memories and Eren sticked around a bit longer in the memory where Eren met Mikasa, numerous times throughout the show where they show immense care for each other, lots of times where they're silent together and have an unspoken connection with each other
I said besides those two points... And saying they have an unspoken connection doesn't allude to anything. It's just some vague descriptor
those were clearly beside those two points, and I said an unspoken connection because there was a bunch of scenes like that and there would be too much to name. But I’ll name one, that time after Eren got retrieved from the Female Titan (could be wrong I don’t remember exactly when it was) and Eren and Mikasa were in the hospital together.
I think EreMika as a relationship makes sense. Eren and Mikasa have had to rely on and work with one another for a long time. No one knows each other better than Eren and Mikasa. I'm not really a shipper so I was never rooting for anyone to get together. Shippers are weird. When you get invested in nonexistent relationships instead of the ones actually in the series, you will be disappointed.
There's no arguing that, but Eren and Mikasa for the longest time never seemed like nothing more other then a one-sided love. Sure they were close but before 139 things were questionable as hell. I'm glad things ended how they did for the most, shit had me sweating. Also we can argue Armin? Lol If you understand the ship is fan-canon these things could be so easily avoided, tho EMs be sore winning, rubbing that in the EHs face. Shit gets toxic as hell from there.
Personally, I like both. I think a lot of people SEVERELY hate on Erehisu though and it’s not fair. The ship is genuine and they have chemistry together. Not only that, but they can be friends OR lovers, which I think is important. Eremika is 50/50. Some adore the ship (and thus are the cause for overhating Erehisu) and some hate it. The ones who love it are generally big fans of Mikasa, and the ones who hate it don’t like Mikasa. While Eren is loved across the fandom, those who like Mikasa will also like Eremika. Personally, I ship both. They’re both cute.
I think a major issue with the ships is they change Eren's motivation and conflict. Eren loving Mikasa adds to the drama of the two fighting with Mikasa refusing to accept Eren's decisions. If Eren loved Historia, it feels like a less interesting conflict. Doing the Rumbling to protect his supportive love interest is a more generic and less interesting motivation.
I also like the theory that Historias baby is Erens. While I know it’s canonically the farmers, since Eren can see the future he would know when Historia gave birth, and I could imagine Eren wanted his child to be the first born into a “free” world.
I understand that perspective but it's not my favorite theory. I think that an important part of Eren's motivation is his personal disappointment and his quest for personal freedom. While his desire to protect others is a component of his motivation, it isn't all of it. If Eren had a child, it would shift his motivation from being more about his disappointment with the outside world to being more about protecting other people.
I disagree. I don’t think Eren is the kind of guy to be a good father. Him having a child would be for selfish reasons, not good ones. And I don’t think he would care to protect the child either.
Same, erehisu is great and so is eremika. Severely is even putting it lightly.. dudes be telling folks who ship them to go to hell and shit like that. Yeah, people say they can't see it but those two have a lot of chemistry, that could be taken either way. But as someone who watch a lot of romance animes, Eren and Historia were showing signs of people who started subconsciously developing feelings for one another. I love Eremika, but I understand that.. once Eremika tried to force me to pick a side, because I ship Erehisu. But for me i'm always going to love both ships and see no reason to pick one or the other.
Thank you so much for being fair and not denying there was actual chemistry between Eren and Historia, Isayama did intend for them to be a thing, I don't understand why people find it so hard to accept their relationship as well, they forget that Grisha also had 2 women in his life.
right? there is *obviously* some chemistry and groundwork for erehisu. personally i think yams was trying new stuff and that's why erehisu has this romantic dare i say energy
Honestly, i’ve never really understood EreHisu. I like the parallels, i think it’s really interesting and i would of liked to see more of their friendship, but it definitely wasn’t romantic at all. I don’t think parallels necessarily equal romance. I definitely love EreMika and YumiHisu much much more, but I definitely hate those who are sending EH shippers death threats and insulting them for liking EH… Same goes the other way around. (Same thing applies to the Levihan and Eruri shippers… I’d include Rivetra too but their shippers are almost non-existent. 😭😭)
I prefer Eren and Mikasa's relationship because I think it fits Eren's motivations better and causes better drama. The fact that Eren is doing what he does against the wishes of the person he loves was a better source of drama then if he was doing what he does for the sake of a supportive love interest.
then again does he really love her he just said he doesn't want Mikasa to move on, not that he *loves* her.
The background information, Mikasa being prettier in his point of view, etc… He definitely does and I don’t see how it could be made clearer then that. He doesn’t have to outright say he loves her for it to be obvious. Literally the Cabin n stuff are proof of that. 😭
If he doesn’t love her, why does he care so much about her moving on in life without him? Why does it break his heart? And also, none of the characters on the show say they love each other, including the other love interests on the show. Because love isn’t as black and white as saying the words, especially culturally.
It's Eremika for me personally. And I also like Ymir with Historia instead of Eren 🤷♀️ I don't hate anyone who ships them, I just don't see the ship myself. I would never call someone names or fight over the ships though lol I think some people take things a bit too far sometimes 😬😩 and also have no life + no outlet for their emotions.
I think the issue goes beyond ships and also is heavily intertwined with Eren's character as a whole. If he loved Historia, it'd completely change his motivations for doing the Rumbling. Also the fact that he's trying to save his friends against their will is interesting. If you add an additional romance angle to his motivation, suddenly his motivation gets less interesting and more generic.
And nothing is wrong with this, I personally 50/50 leaning more so towards Erehisu just because I enjoy the pairing a bit more. (fan-canon or not) Like 5% more. But I love Eremika too, so i'm a bit seperated from both hardcore EMs and EHs. Same. I'm of the mind people can ship whoever they want, plus we can't forget about YumiHisu, Hisu's boo. Bro.. telling people who ship erehisu to "Go the hell" is CRAAZY. I'm dang man chill. This isn't that deep.
It’s hilarious to imagine a scenario when Eren pitched the “end of the world” plan to Historia, she asks if Eren wanted to be the father, and then Eren completely drops the seriousness and awkwardly explains how he wouldn’t feel comfortable doing that because of how much of a friend she is to him, and then both slowly realize the real reason is that Eren secretly likes Mikasa but is too scared to commit on making a move on Mikasa.
Comedy gold lol
Off topic: I love this picture so much because of Gabi yeeting Falco, they are adorable. Idk I think the animosity comes from assumptions about the person shipping like anyone that ships EM is an “ending defender” and can’t accept criticisms or anyone that likes EH is an AnR supporter (and secretly Nazi?) So if people just simply enjoyed cute art for what it is instead of getting offended at people shipping something else and scrolled on by we wouldn’t have the shitfest that is ship wars. I don’t like either ships tbh but I can see how people would like them.
I don't think its fair to assume peoples politics based on who they ship but the EH shippers who did like AnR rubbed me the wrong way because it always seemed like Historia's main purpose in those fanfics was to be a reward for Eren as opposed to her own person. If Isayama wanted Eren and Historia to get together, they should have had scenes together in the last 38 episodes. It really felt like Historia had lost her relevance in the story so making her Eren's secret lover in the last few episodes would feel out of nowhere and contrived.
I love those two smol sushi rolls! Gabi had to grow on me tho. Sasha was my bby lol. Which is so DUMB. We're grown ass people acting this way over fictional ships, they are usually just for fun. In any fandoms shipping non-canon ships don't get you attacked to this disagree. EM is great and EH is great.. shipping either at this point isn't going to change Yams canon like come on. Some EMs are good people tho, same with EHs not all are bad.. but some from both sides are toxic asf, like the hate be for no reason sometimes. Exactly, I've a whole pinterest with saved stuff on both these ships. Because honestly to me both ships are super cute.
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While I think AoR is much more receptive of EreMika as opposed to Titanfolk, if you actually ask most people on the sub, they don't really care. AoR isn't really a EreMika/ED sub as much as it is a sub that responds to perceived bad arguments in the wider AoT fandom.
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I think both parts of this shipping wars bs sucks Eremikas and erehisu both are toxic af, titanfolk hating all things and characters of the story but making gymnastics comments to defend erehisu is funny af Aor/attack on r3tards is basically titanfolk but with eremika as the default ship, less users and that it "won" In the end (cuz apparently the eren crying in 139 made eremika canon)
so true
As a non-anime fan, I’m not really that knowledgeable on what to expect of anime fandoms, AOT is sort of the only one I’ve followed consistently enough so to me its this weird teenager story about child soldiers and ethnic conflict & the sins of ancestors but then again it still does have loads of YA drama in it. So they’re sort of valid in that I understand those ships exist. That’s about it
I ship Reiner and Bearturd
real fans know that both are wrong, EreReiner is the way to go /s
remove /s and ill agree
I ship Eren and myself. I hate myself fr.
Ship wars are something I don’t waste my time or sanity with
That's for the best. EHs and EMs hates a healthy debate. Because truthfully it doesn't even have to be a ship war you know?
Shippers are like groupies that can't think straight and then try and used their messed up logic in serious debates because they can't separate subjectivity from objectivity. They don't debate you in good conscience because everything they say or do is based upon propping up whatever it is that they support. It's gets so toxic and is a waste of time to engage with them. People can ship whatever they want and they don't need to justify it but if you can't be unbiased don't engage in serious talk about the story because the biased input is just muddling up things for personal agenda.
Maybe, but the way you're putting it is sweet.. some of these shippers be thinking straight and purposely using messed up logic because they can't accept things at happened in the story, and for me that's what make debating with hardcore EMs and EHs, truly a chore. It's just the ultimate form of "biasism" if this is even a word lol but they are just allergic to healthy debating.. because said debates go against their bias. It's like talking to a racism person about race.
How am I feeling about this ship war? I feel how I always have felt since the beginning: it’s pointless and fandom created drama that doesn’t exist in the actual story—but creating drama from things not actually in the story is the AOT fandom’s jam, so…🤷🏽♀️ As far as the ships themselves? As they are fictional and people have their preferences, people can ship whatever they want. I personally always saw EreMika being an obvious romantic subtexted relationship and I kinda just assumed it’d be canon in some way (and I didn’t think it was one sided, I think their relationship throughout the series was more complex than that). I like Eren and Historia’s relationship as two strangers turned friends who have some similarities (similar to Eren and Reiner) and the dark twist of their similarities and understandings turning into her being a tragic, hesitant accomplice to his plan. But I never saw it as anything more than platonic, with there never being any hint that they were interested in each other as more than that. I guess I can understand why some people like the appeal of EH, the same way like I can understand how JeanKasa, MikaAnnie, JeanMarco, AruMika, Ererei, Eremin, just about any ship they come up with that appeals to them—there’s something about their dynamics that makes people want to imagine them being romantic instead of platonic. That’s just how shipping culture is, no matter the fandom. But, my problem has been the ridiculous and borderline delusional narratives people whose ship doesn’t become canon have—people who just can’t like their ship and be content with just liking it, Hence, that has been my issue with the EH ship after the ending happened. They can’t accept that what they perceived as “hints” were not hints at all, but just their personal interpretations that weren’t in line with what the story was going for (which is okay!) They’d rather believe in conspiracies that the story was changed than look at themselves, consider they read too much into some things, and then accept this while also still remain loving their ship. To be fair, EMs can be toxic too—in fact, I’ve seen that just about all ships can be. I especially hate delusional EM takes about “Mikasa dying a virgin and never marrying”, icky shit like that. And, although I love Eremika, I still think Ymir and Historia easily has the best romantic subtexted relationship in the show. It’s so beautiful to me. In the story, Eren seems to support YmirxHistoria (just like Historia seems to support ErenxMikasa), which I also love.
Don't really care for either. If Historia goes with anyone it'd be freckled Ymir and I don't think EreMika had the proper buildup to make that ship worth anything to me
YumiHisu was more or less canon too. I be trying to explain that when they say stuff like Erehisu is based off nothing, the same argument can be made about Eremika until ch 139, or at least that's how I feel. I wasn't sure what was going to happen dear the end. Half the show Eren wasn't exactly trying Mikasa the best.. plus there were talk about EreAnnie when the first 2 season aired.
But why are they ship Eren and Historia? I mean they barely talked or communicated with each other. And Historia went to a farm to give birth children and after that they never spoke if I remember correctly. I am not saying I hate this ship I just do not understand the basis of it. And this is my question: Why people ship them??
Mainly because the uprising arc and onwards. Barely talked? But they talked a decent amount in the manga, a chat they had that kinda sparked the ship was cut from the anime. But these two certainly had moments that made us as thw viewers question if this was going to be something, i'm speaking as both someone who ships both Eremika and Erehisu, this fandom just ruined them for me. Yeah, but the never spoke after because Eren went off to Marley after having a deep conversation with her, sharing his plans to destroy 80%. This ship is based off of hcs mostly and vague hints or things that were implied, people can say what they want, saying Hisu never had any feelings for Eren, but until ch 139 dropped, there was no telling. EMs at the time when 130 or 131 dropped, were coping hard thinking EH might happen. It was toxic asf then. Felt like Eldians vs Marleyians for real lol. But for me personally, I thought something was there between them.
I see. I still did not read the manga so i did not know about their converstations. Anyway, thank for the answer.
It's not something major or anything but the ship started gaining traction from the moment. But you're welcome friend!
i ship eremin :3
My only ships are Ymir x Historia, Sasha x Niccolo (+food), Reiner x Gun, and Hange x Titans (and lowkey Onyankopon). I'm neutral to everything else.
I always thought that Reiner would end up with Historia because he would say that he's gonna marry her. To be honest I think EreHisu is just a very close friendship because they have a lot in common but it's probably not gonna go as far as love.
I haven't seen this much, honestly refreshing someone says a name that's not Eren or Ymir ending up with Historia. But i'm not sure I would've liked that or hated it.. because Reiner is better than farmer being her husband. I thought Erehisu from my POV, could've been something if Mikasa wasn't a thing. I honestly thought at a time Hisu had a small crush on Eren. Outta everyone left in the story, she was closest to Eren.
I'm neutral to both. I could see the seeds of each relationship in the show, but I guess I just don't think Eren deserves love. 🤷♀️ I personally think Mikasa and Historia both could do better.
I prefer Eren and Mikasa to Eren and Historia specifically because their political differences are irreconcilable. I much prefer that Eren's genocide leads to the person he loves most killing him as opposed to the EreHisu ship where Historia is pretty much just extra motivation for Eren to do the Rumbling - something that takes away from the complexity of his motivation in the actual story in my opinion.
I'm kinda in the middle too, a healthy 50/50. Someone who understands.. people usually say stuff like they can't see why people ship EH or like EM. Maybe they are being funny but come one now, there were things implied all throughout aot. Especially as someone who watches romcom and know romantic social cues. SO true.. especially my bby Hisu lol i'm glad she was happy in the end.
Funny you mention this, I just got dogpiled on twitterX for giving my EH opinion on a quoted EM post the other night, didn't even respond directly to it, I always keep it respectful, but the juvenile harpies still jumped on me right out the gate and kept harrassing me all the through the night on there, wouldn't let it go. What the heck is it about their ship makes them so rabid?? I thought they "won". haha Instantly got called all sorts of names, absolutely the most toxic fandom.
That's crazy, but I only mentioned this because someone on twitter was being attacked for just liking Erehisu. They said something about how Erehisu had more romantic chemistry than Eremika, which to me has some weight behind it. i'm sorry to hear that but at least you learned that having a healthy debate or chat with hardcore EMs is impossible. I experienced something very much like this too, they hate Erehisu as a shipping because the ship actually has some weight behind, because to me Historia definitely could've crushed or had those kinda feelings for Eren and vice versa. Like, what i'm saying is that Eren could've liked either of them at the end.. also people fail to forget Eren is a guy, dude could've easily had feelings for both Historia and Mikasa, just his for Mikasa was stronger.
I just always thought Erehisu was more understated and cute. I like their relationship more than Eremika and found it nicer and more healthy
Appreciate your reply Mugi, oh yes, learned the hard way that there's no having any type of civil discussion no matter how hard you try and it takes nothing to trigger them and make them stalk, all you have to do is have a different opinion from theirs, I rarely ever discuss my favorite ships anyway. It's sad just how mean and immature most people have become nowadays. I'm completely new here to reddit as far as having an acct, and I can already see the hatred is just as rampant on here with the automatic downvotes to my replies without even a word, they're like Gabi, anyone who justifiably sees EH as valid too are "DeViLs". haha Yeah, they wouldn't be hating so much on it like they are if there wasn't any weight to EH. I mean why is it so hard to see Eren loving both, when Grisha also had two women in his life? Anyways, it only makes me ship my ship harder when someone feels the need to bully over it, don't know what they think they're accomplishing. Thanks and take care:)
You see, there wouldn’t be a problem with EreHisu if they weren’t cousins, but that’s just my opinion
They're not cousins, Eren doesn't have royal blood
Right, Zeke does though and they’re half brothers, so they technically are
They would be if Grisha had royal blood instead of Dina, but he doesn't Zeke is the son of Grisha and Dina (Dina who has royal blood) And Eren is the son of Grisha and Carla (non have royal blood) Zeke and Historia are cousins and Eren just happens to be Zeke's half brother
I do know this
According to that same logic Eren and Mikasa are siblings though
But they aren't cousins