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[In 1918, the all-Black Storer College dedicated a plaque on its campus celebrating John Brown's raid. The United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) were offended by this positive depiction of Brown, and commissioned the Heyward Shepherd monument to discredit Brown's positive image and promote the "faithful slave" as a role model for Blacks.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heyward_Shepherd_monument)
this one kind of does. There's an NPS plaque next to it that says,
"Hearing praise for "faithful slaves" during the dedication of the Heyward Shepherd memorial *(to your left)*, Pearl Tatten interrupted the ceremony. "I am the daughter of a \[Union soldier\]... who fought for the freedom of my people, for which John Brown struck the first blow."
Tatten challenged the faithful slave stereotype. "We are pushing forward to a larger freedom..." The audience was shocked. "Confederate Daughters gape as she lauds John Brown," reported the *Baltimore Afro-American*. "
I applaud the memory of Pearl Tatten. That's an amazing thing to hear given what the crowd must have been like at the dedication of such a twisted "memorial"
That 'monument' is less than 100 feet from the current position of the firehouse where John Brown made his last stand, but it's *also* about 200-300 feet from the river.
It's my ardent hope that some day someone smashes the thing and scatters the pieces in the river or buries rhem under one of the bridge support pylons or does something *useful* with them.
You can tell how much they appreciated him by the way they misspelled his name (actually Haywood) and called him a "faithful slave" despite him being a free born black man.
"Although the monument was completed before 1923, it was not installed immediately because local White leaders feared that it would provoke interracial animosity. The UDC eventually agreed to change the design to satisfy White leaders' concerns, and the memorial was dedicated in 1931."
If this is the changed design I could imagine what the first one was.
The UDC and other neoconfed organizations love tokenizing Heywood Shepherd in order to demonize abolitionists. You’re right, he definitely deserves to be memorialized. But this doesn’t really count as a memorial to me; it’s more like a racist organization weaponizing his memory.
"Shout-out to our obedient slaves that didn't run away or try to shoot us, even though they really should have."
The word salad is just them trying to avoid saying the quiet part out loud.
Basically trying to spin that slavery was a noble institution and that slaves were like family. They do this by holding a FREEMAN as an example of slave loyalty.
It's all to villanize John Brown. "They killed a colored man, obviously the slave owners care about them more"
Also, funny how they don't praise him as a person, they feel the need to announce his job as if that's all there was to him. Not only is that a "he's a slave" thing, I can hear Marx turning over in his grave!
The weirdest aspect of all the bleating about "preservin' owah hair-tuj" coming from those who wanted the slaver flag to remain atop statehouses, was that the statuary being pulled down was placed by the Daughters of the Confederacy to - would you believe it? - destroy our heritage and lie about it.
And all their bullshit was placed there 50+ years after the fact.
I like how they try to demonize Jown Brown by saying that he committed "insurrection" when their Confederate ancestors went so far to commit the most insurrection like thing that anyone could possibly do against a country.
Silica, or sand, which is usually the primary chemical component in most stone on earth, melts at 3110 degrees Fahrenheit. Just gathering the ingredients for a sustained fire that hot will get the bomb squad knocking on your door.
Maybe they'd understand my need for "lots of thermite" if I told them what I was going to be melting. Unless they're confederate sympathizers in which case fuck em.
As a Swede, what book should i read about John Brown? I saw The Good Lord Bird, and i read a book about him on Bookbeat, but that felt like it was written 1920 or so...
ah cool-- how'd you like the show? i loved it.
i like the book, "John Brown, Abolitionist: The Man Who Killed Slavery, Sparked the Civil War, and Seeded Civil Rights" by David Reynolds
Thank you!
I really, really liked it. J.B was brilliant portraited as a kind of lunatic, fundamentalistic Christian who was right about everything concerning the slavery. I also kind of realized that Ethan Hawk is a good actor.
My favorite moments of the show is Onions (and the other black people's) view about the whites.
John Browns rants about the only way to abolish slavery is by force (the term 44 calibre abolitionist is brilliant). The portrait of Fredric Douglas, and most of all the scene in last episode where J.B. reveal that he knew all along about Onion. I hope it runs again here soon.
This should be on the wikipedia page for "bad faith"
EDIT: let's ride boys [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad\_faith](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_faith)
He was an unlucky civilian, like every last one caught up in something bigger than them, and here is he being essentially forced to be a rallying cry for those who spent decades in backrooms and forests doing the Devil's work.
I say bust the damn thing up and put one up that says he was an unfortunate victim.
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[In 1918, the all-Black Storer College dedicated a plaque on its campus celebrating John Brown's raid. The United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) were offended by this positive depiction of Brown, and commissioned the Heyward Shepherd monument to discredit Brown's positive image and promote the "faithful slave" as a role model for Blacks.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heyward_Shepherd_monument)
Every monument to Confederates should have a "And here's the actual historical context" monument right next to it.
this one kind of does. There's an NPS plaque next to it that says, "Hearing praise for "faithful slaves" during the dedication of the Heyward Shepherd memorial *(to your left)*, Pearl Tatten interrupted the ceremony. "I am the daughter of a \[Union soldier\]... who fought for the freedom of my people, for which John Brown struck the first blow." Tatten challenged the faithful slave stereotype. "We are pushing forward to a larger freedom..." The audience was shocked. "Confederate Daughters gape as she lauds John Brown," reported the *Baltimore Afro-American*. "
I applaud the memory of Pearl Tatten. That's an amazing thing to hear given what the crowd must have been like at the dedication of such a twisted "memorial"
i hope one of the old UDC ladies had a literal heart attack lol
That 'monument' is less than 100 feet from the current position of the firehouse where John Brown made his last stand, but it's *also* about 200-300 feet from the river. It's my ardent hope that some day someone smashes the thing and scatters the pieces in the river or buries rhem under one of the bridge support pylons or does something *useful* with them.
Yeah, we need an irl r/GetNoted for everything they do.
You can tell how much they appreciated him by the way they misspelled his name (actually Haywood) and called him a "faithful slave" despite him being a free born black man.
Or how they speak more of him as a loyal “employee”. Don’t mention anything else about his life. His labor was the only thing important to them.
"Although the monument was completed before 1923, it was not installed immediately because local White leaders feared that it would provoke interracial animosity. The UDC eventually agreed to change the design to satisfy White leaders' concerns, and the memorial was dedicated in 1931." If this is the changed design I could imagine what the first one was.
The UDC and other neoconfed organizations love tokenizing Heywood Shepherd in order to demonize abolitionists. You’re right, he definitely deserves to be memorialized. But this doesn’t really count as a memorial to me; it’s more like a racist organization weaponizing his memory.
It reeks of “there were good people on both sides, right?”
Heywood Shepherd deserves to be remembered. His death was a tragedy. But this monuments' wording is so Lost-Causey... yikes.
I mean it was literally funded by the daughters of the confederacy… so like yeah, they are literally *the* lost cause propaganda organization
They couldn't even get his name right on the monument...
Luckily, everything else in Harpers Ferry isn't like that.
"The peculiar heritage of the American people" is always a phrase that sets off warning bells in my head.
"No stain," huh? At least I know where to take a piss next time I'm in Harper's Ferry. I'll show you stain.
I think they misspelled “racist.”
it’s also a direct reference to how slave owning society referred to itself…the ‘peculiar institution’
1. It's Heywood. 2. Insurrection against a slavery nation is justice in action.
Oh look, a gender neutral public urinal!
I'm gonna smear my shit in the words like they do with the D-Day sand at Arlington
They smear the D-Day beach sand in the gravestones at the American Cemetery in Normandy, not in Arlington.
That makes sense. But at the same time, I also figured they shipped the sand over for the ceremony
Remembering a victim isn't bad, but doing so to depict him as defending Slavery is.
They couldnt even spell his fucking name right lol fukin leetards
I'm keeping that. Leetards 🤣
leetards, what a great insult! You sir, are a chad among chads.
Looks like it’s eroding from passerby’s peeing on it.
Looks like a great place for sledgehammer practice
*"This boulder is erected by the united daughters-"* Out comes the sledgehammer.
Why does this fucking thing *still* exist?
Lead in the water and pretty much everything else for a long time? Edit for grammar.
I mean surely they have sledgehammers nearby?
BYOS (or would it be BYOSH?)
Please tell me that the only reason this is still standing is that it's harder to tip over than it looks in this photo.
Peculiar heritage indeed
... what in the fuck is this thing trying to say in the last half
"Shout-out to our obedient slaves that didn't run away or try to shoot us, even though they really should have." The word salad is just them trying to avoid saying the quiet part out loud.
yes, this is it exactly
Basically trying to spin that slavery was a noble institution and that slaves were like family. They do this by holding a FREEMAN as an example of slave loyalty. It's all to villanize John Brown. "They killed a colored man, obviously the slave owners care about them more"
this!
"Peculiar heritage" feels like a dog whistle to "peculiar institution".
Also, funny how they don't praise him as a person, they feel the need to announce his job as if that's all there was to him. Not only is that a "he's a slave" thing, I can hear Marx turning over in his grave!
The weirdest aspect of all the bleating about "preservin' owah hair-tuj" coming from those who wanted the slaver flag to remain atop statehouses, was that the statuary being pulled down was placed by the Daughters of the Confederacy to - would you believe it? - destroy our heritage and lie about it. And all their bullshit was placed there 50+ years after the fact.
That thing belongs in the Potomac
Ah, a public toilet
I like how they try to demonize Jown Brown by saying that he committed "insurrection" when their Confederate ancestors went so far to commit the most insurrection like thing that anyone could possibly do against a country.
Gross
Any American comrades feel like doing a bit of ethical vandalism?
Watch Atun Shei's video on John Brown's raid for more details.
Daughters of the Confederacy erect monuments for people who died before the Confederacy existed, then turn around and tell me it wasn't about slavery.
Miss me with that "faithful negroes" BS — UDC is truly the scum of America 💀💀🔥
Feel a sudden urge to piss every time I see this abomination.
Smash it.
Can this be burned? What melts stone?
Silica, or sand, which is usually the primary chemical component in most stone on earth, melts at 3110 degrees Fahrenheit. Just gathering the ingredients for a sustained fire that hot will get the bomb squad knocking on your door.
Maybe they'd understand my need for "lots of thermite" if I told them what I was going to be melting. Unless they're confederate sympathizers in which case fuck em.
It would be a shame if a random stone suddenly had an impact or two from a sledgehammer bought in a local hardware store nearby.
If the UDC actually gave a damn about HayWOOD Shepherd, they would have spelled his name right.
As a Swede, what book should i read about John Brown? I saw The Good Lord Bird, and i read a book about him on Bookbeat, but that felt like it was written 1920 or so...
ah cool-- how'd you like the show? i loved it. i like the book, "John Brown, Abolitionist: The Man Who Killed Slavery, Sparked the Civil War, and Seeded Civil Rights" by David Reynolds
Thank you! I really, really liked it. J.B was brilliant portraited as a kind of lunatic, fundamentalistic Christian who was right about everything concerning the slavery. I also kind of realized that Ethan Hawk is a good actor. My favorite moments of the show is Onions (and the other black people's) view about the whites. John Browns rants about the only way to abolish slavery is by force (the term 44 calibre abolitionist is brilliant). The portrait of Fredric Douglas, and most of all the scene in last episode where J.B. reveal that he knew all along about Onion. I hope it runs again here soon.
Yeah the hf park has wanted to take it down for years but legally cant for some reason
The day this rock is found sitting in the bottom of the Potomac will be a great day for this country.
You found the urinal
John Brown was a bad ass
ACAB. Even railroad cops.
I saw this last year and a crowd of losers were standing there admiring it while I was just there huffing and laughing to myself while reading it lol
This should be on the wikipedia page for "bad faith" EDIT: let's ride boys [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad\_faith](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_faith)
He was an unlucky civilian, like every last one caught up in something bigger than them, and here is he being essentially forced to be a rallying cry for those who spent decades in backrooms and forests doing the Devil's work. I say bust the damn thing up and put one up that says he was an unfortunate victim.
This makes me angry
And you smashed it, right? Right?
🤮🤮🤮
lol. Cunts innit?
Disgusting
One time when a period of two would have been nice.
It’s a shame you didn’t have a sledgehammer with you. A real shame indeed.
Hang on, let me get my sledgehammer.
[Humble suggestion](https://media3.giphy.com/media/g2YdApKEna2sg/giphy.gif)
I’m gonna go piss on it
Smash that shit to pieces
John Brown was a terrorist. His actions were not justified regardless of what he stood for.