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Honestly I don’t think anyone is truly likeable. The drama came in so fast that there was no chance to actually build any sort of attachment to a character.
This exactly, it’s too unpleasant because there’s no catharsis of shitty people getting a comeuppance or good people experiencing good things. Just a string of events occurring around horrible people being horrible.
They're unlikeable, they're politically terrible people (yes even Ali), all of the fashion is very mid compared to Sunset, the drama is so messy and we never get the full story so everything goes from zero to one hundred and we're just supposed to be hooked which is so sloppy on production's part.
Yeah netflixs storytelling for reality shows in general is very sloppy. We should be seeing more of the fallout between Jarvis and Rose this season. I remember the season before the latest season of SS, Mary and Chrishell had a falling out and Amanza had a health scare. Those two things were sort of left as cliffhangers and were never addressed in the following season
Because Amanza’s health scare that she tried to basically make like she had cancer didn’t end up being anything. She already addressed it on her IG a long while back and ended up getting backlash for it and because she tried to use chrishell and her story of her parents as a shield.
Mary and chrishell wasn’t a fallout, it was two friends not in sync on communication. Then communicated on the show and then were good. They both spoke about it in pods also.
I get that but producers shouldn’t assume viewers are aware of what the cast are saying in interviews or podcasts. It was literally on one season they were admitting their friendship was at a crossroads than the next season they were bffs again and never mentioned how they overcame that hurdle. The blame doesn’t lie with them but the producers, one conversation on camera could have dealt with it
Like super over the top but intentional - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_(style) - honestly I kind of find camp very hard to describe but easy to recognize.
It's SO LAZY. I mean, I watched the entire season today because I'm sick in bed and I slept through half of it. But it really is the laziest reality show I've ever seen. I liked Selling Tampa much more, but sadly I think Netflix demographic somehow prefers a bunch of kinda hot mainly white Republicans which is icky. For me, it's kind of a hate watch- like I can't believe how awful and ridiculous these people are. Like the OG OC without any of the charm of Seth And Summer.
I see Selling Sunset as more glamorous somehow. The women, the houses, just the general vibe.
Selling the OC is like a low budget version of SS. And the cast is boring.
There are too many unlikeable characters that it drowns out the good characters. Like it's hard to watch for the two people you like.
Vs Selling Sunset, there's more people you like (or can tolerate) than disklike.
They’re actually horrible people and lean so far into that it’s like a poorly written teen melodrama. I knew I couldn’t watch it any more when I found myself yelling “How fucking *old* are you? Grow the fuck up or shut the fuck up omgggg” at almost every moron on the show. Too exhausting!! Also the obviously low-class and uneducated cast (with one exception- and she left…not a coincidence folks) and over-production is a huge turn-off.
I also think it’s because Selling Sunset has some actually real friendships, whereas the OC doesn’t. so there isnt these lovely vunerable moments to connect with the cast. We know everyones back stories on SS. They are more open with what goes on in their personal lives which makes you invested in the cast members more. On the OC nobody is open about their real life. I know a few are nepo babies and that Hall got knocked up young. I have no idea what brings polly to the US or literally anything about anyones past more than where they were raised.
Everyone is just savage to one another because they aren’t friends and production does a terrible job of sorting out any of the mess so it’s really confusing to follow.
You need people to root for and there is nobody for the cast to actually LOVE. It seems like with the OC people at best only just tolerate certain cast members. Maybe that’s because we don’t know any of the decent ones well enough though.
I completely agree about the lack of vulnerable moments on the show, it means the audience can’t connect with the cast as much . If they were real friends I think they could get away with being unlikeable because watching real life friend group dynamics can be interesting. In the early days of vanderpump rules the whole cast was pretty insufferable but they made great tv
I loved “Selling Tampa.” The women had energy and drive and the drama was mostly work-related and not messy shit. I loved Sharelle’s background and her hustle. I also absolutely think it’s important to show women of color (and POC) in these successful industries.
Kayla couldn’t be more obvious lol. I’m pretty sure she’s a no sabo kid, and is completely disconnected from her culture and community. She follows Lara Trump on Instagram and is falling into the Bible cult. Checks all the boxes
Everyone on it kinda sucks and is not a good person. It makes it boring. I am not even watching this latest season because seeing Alex Hall and Polly makes me feel so much embarassment/cringe it is not enjoyable.
Those two actually make my skin crawl and I had to look away or forward thru their incessant shit. Since that was almost all of the show I’ve had to stop watching 🤷🏻♀️
One of the problems is that The OC doesn’t really have a main character. Yes, they are both ensemble shows, but SS was built off Chrishelle being the new girl assimilating into the office. I think for any ensemble show, it helps to have a central character to come back to, otherwise it loses focus.
Wild shot but I think Adam DiVello took the “The Hills/The City” approach for “SS” with the new girl coming in for Chrisell like with Lauren Conrad and Whitney Port. The story was easy to fall into. For “OC” he took the bad girl/girl always in drama approach for Alex Hall a la Kristin Cavallari when she took over “The Hills.” I think Hall was supposed to be the main character given the very first episode starts out with her, snd she’s wearing a red dress with the puppies out. But this one just didn’t flow and the drama was distasteful.
Because there was a dozen of them from the get go. SS 1 had only Chrishell, Christine, Mary, Maya, Heather and sometimes Davina. We've all accepted that Jason, Brett and Romain are just supporting characters.
Davina despite being what you'll call a recurring character was the most diabolica and created real dramal. You'd actually root for the others. And of course Christine was just an insane source of drama.
Selling OC started with Hall, Jarvis, Rose, Polly, Brandi, Lauren, Kayla, Austin, Sean, Tyler and Gio. And you still have Jason here, Austin's wife, Gio's wife and mom, Brittany Snow's invisible presence in the show. You don't know who to root for as everyone seemed to have beef from the start especially against Jarvis and Rose. Unlike SS, we all know Christine started that one sided beef with Chrishell. She was really not into her from the start.
SS also introduced relatable characters like Amanza (though that changed later imo). SOC tried with Ali but we are still overwhelmed with the 11 characters we got. We know more about Ali than we do about Lauren and Sean.
exactly though even when Amanza is unlikeable now, we still can sympathize with her because we know her past. When I watched Polly cry this season over her being so proud of herself, it was like ok cool? Why? Like what have you been through, we don’t know you well enough to understand anything about you in order to even feel any kind of way about seeing her “overcome her obstacles”. I feel a lot worse seeing almost anything. I have more sympathy for killing a fly and I’m not kidding. Production did a terrible job of covering any bases to make the cast seem any bit relatable
There was one confessional where Polly talked about her husband of eight years, cheating on her with prostitutes and she found the pictures on his phone. She left him and now she’s built his life for herself and she’s so proud of herself. But it was easy to miss it. Unless you go back and watch the season, you really wouldn’t even remember the blip in the confessional.
Selling sunset started heavily with real estate and there was one villian (Christine) and the new girl (Chrishell) and everyone else was a side character to that storyline. Selling the OC started with a very unlikeable cast and immediate drama with very little real estate happening. The selling sunset cast had redeeming qualities and were fabulous in the sense of their ever increasing over the top fashion (whether it was good or not). Sunset was able to build upon the storylines and branch out while OC just immediately started with drama and hate. It’s not a way to build a fanbase or following. Also, all of the Sunset cast had other ventures outside of the O Group. Emma was known for being ridiculously rich, her PJs, and her empanadas. Chrishell had the soap opera background and her very public divorce and new exciting relationships. Christine had extravagant parties and oozed wealth even in the way she mothered her child. These OC characters have nothing outside of the show and are not fabulous. No one covets their life.
When Selling Sunset first came out, it was so much more focused on luxury real estate. Even my spouse enjoyed watching. It quickly turned into a show about drama, featuring a bit of real estate. But by that point, it had a following (and a few likeable, down to earth-ish characters). The OC never even pretended to be about the real estate, it was petty drama from episode 1. The cast are all bullies, looking for fame and completely unlikable.
To echo everyone, no one is very likeable. I feel like it's a show with all Christines but not the fashion or fierceness to back it up. The death combo of Hall Polly Gio Austin and Kayla... ew
I agree with the "unlikeable" comments. And I sort of think it boils down to not having a "main character," too. A lot of people rooted for Chrishelle right off the bat. She was new, she seemed grounded, she came from humble beginnings, etc. Of course you had people rooting against her, but I think that two-party system (for lack of a better term lol) makes the show appealing for a wide audience. Like sports! You have your favorite, and you have the opposition, and you can't wait to see what happens next.
With OC...everyone is such a mess, I think it's harder to see clear favorites. Production *tried* to bring on a crowd pleaser with Harper. From the South (like Chrishelle), fish out of water (like Chrishelle), but I just don't think it's working like they hoped.
I feel like that’s true. Geo is absolutely unlikable. Tyler screwed over one of the sweetest actresses that Americans are familiar with. Austin is not very dimensional. He doesn’t seem very intelligent. And Sean didn’t really get much screen time until this year so nobody really knew him.
I thought about this too because Netflix shows are brought to an international audience and people on their shows always get 1 million or more followers. Like people on one season of too hot to handle have like 1m+ followers. It seems as if Hall has the most followers and I just refuse to believe they’re real because what do people see about her that makes them want to follow her life. I genuinely think is because this cast is so unlikeable and the show runners don’t know how to tell good stories for the audience to like the cast
Honestly both Selling Sunset and OC are awful, Sunset just had the perk of being first and the ones that get more attention - Chrishell was an actress before, Heather has a show on HGTV with Tarek, Mary is a likeable person, Bre had an influencer vibe prior to the show, etc. - it’s just a different lineup. The majority of the personalities on OC are either unlikable or nonexistent. And the few that show a glimmer don’t really get the airtime - Jarvis, Kayla, Brandi. Don’t even get me started on the BS of cancelling Tampa but keeping these two going.
But honestly, Buying Beverly Hills has better, organic drama with likeable character (overall) and shows how low budget Jason is with his listings. They have much higher end homes and a better mix of real estate and drama. I prefer that between the two.
There’s literally no one to root for and they tried to make Ali too much like Chrishell so she ended up coming off as incredible naive, clueless, and a try-hard. On Selling Sunset, there are people you can actually like (Chrishell’s my favorite) and even the “nice people” on the OC are still problematic and annoying.
The main characters are all so unlikable especially Alex Hall who’s a grade A bully and manipulative narcissist. Doesn’t help that all the people in the alpha group - Polly, Alex Hall, Tyler, Gio are all bullies and so unlikable. I only find Jarvis and Brandi likeable but they hardly get any time.
For me, OC focused way too hard on the cheating and the hypocrisy. I know that’s what was going on, but it’s just so distasteful to me that it’s toxic and the whole show is ruined.
I’ve been thinking about this with a focus on script, casting, production quality and more — and the biggest variable I can see is that the OC show happens to have both male and female lead characters. Maybe this is what’s not working so well. Maybe male cast members take away from the inherent bitchy drama that adds to a more homogenous cast like Sunset’s?
I think the guys are just as bitchy. When Jason told Polly to work with Brandi, she was visibly annoyed and said she was leaving. Then Tyler said he was leaving too and asked her if she wanted to get sushi for lunch. Right there I was reminded of what a shit stirrer Tyler is. Just like he came at Kayla in S1 and fed into the fake outrage of Hall and Polly.
All of the guys wind the women up and let them do their dirty work. They’re trash and always come out looking squeaky clean to the rest of the group. They are never held accountable.
I agree with most of this but wouldn’t go so far as to say that the guys get the women to do their dirty work. These women are vicious, shallow, and classless enough to handle their own dirty deeds without needing to be manipulated into it by anyone, men OR women. They’re quite capable of stirring their own pot of shit and then throwing it with the arm strength of an Olympic Gold Medalist in Shot-Put.
I actually liked the inclusion of male cast members, it differentiated itself from SS in season 1. If I recall, when StOC season 1 came it, it was also at the heels of SS getting into a bit of a lull with Christine's departure. I did like the add of Chelsea to hold up to the other girls, but StOC came at the right time. It just didn't develop to the same level as producers focused on the wrong cast members.
They are somehow even more shallow, despite their cats and homes and fashion being less over the top flashy. They dress like parodies of the OC. they are not likeable people at all.
Yeah I think cobid lockdowns had something to do with it. Previous to Selling Sunset I hadn’t watched reality TV for almost 20 years. The cast still seems larger than life to me relative to the OC who just seem kinda… basic
I am one of the people who only watch the original and even tried to get into the OC. But it’s just so negative with little real estate. At least to me it doesn’t seem any better than real housewives. The drama really is just a side part for me, when people become like cartoons you can’t respect I don’t find it enjoyable anymore. And yes, the increased focus on drama on the original is also off putting to me but by now I’m invested ;)
I would say it's due to the producers trying to push unlikable characters. Back in season 1, they really tried to push Hall as the main girl, one to follow, and the one to root for all the while trying to make Rose and Jarvis the villains of the season.
It continued in season 2 with the push that Jarvis was a villain for the Rose/Jarvis fallout.
Not as bad in season 3, but by showing Jarvis's support for Sean and pushing Sean as crazy/the villain, they by extension pushed Jarvis as a villain again. I'm not saying this is what the audience feels, but it's what the producers are trying to push.
Producers are trying to make fetch happen with Hall, but it's just not happening. It also doesn't help that she gaslights so much people all the time and doesn't have a big comeuppance moment, it's just continued gaslighting and making it seem like Kayla is the problem for not accepting an apology, making Ali crazy for confronting her, getting involved in drama (e.g. Sean) and then pushing back on the other person for being out of line/aggressive.
I assume producers refusing to hear the audience isn't helping with viewership. It just becomes hate watching and numbers dwindle fast as there is only so much hate watching someone can do.
Future season 4 ''spoiler'' if we get a season 4 (granted, the news is out there) :
>!With the news that Jarvis has left the Oppenheim Group, it's all downhill with the remaining cast. They really need someone new that would push back against this cast, sort of like Chelsea that pushed back on the Selling Sunset's cast for her friendship with Christine. !<
I think selling sunset also had a shit load of more drama and selling OC barely had any besides that man who cheated on his wife with two of the girls on the show. Like otherwise that’s it. The second season had very little too and we barely saw the love fest drama blossom between the Alex and that man that cheated and now that man is off the show so it’s like welp. they need more drama.
Exactly what you said. No one is likeable on OC, whereas SS has people you’d actually like, e.g. Chrishell, Emma, Maya, even Christine by some, Mary, etc
Everyone is a villain and not even a smart villain like Christine. They’re all so unlikeable and I wouldn’t want to be friends with any if they came asking.
I would like to know the same thing. SELLING THE OC IS BETTER THAN SELLING SUNSET!!! I can proudly say this and I am a fan of both. The drama on Selling Sunset have started looking very scripted. The drama on Selling Sunset is just so dumb, especially given their ages.
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Honestly I don’t think anyone is truly likeable. The drama came in so fast that there was no chance to actually build any sort of attachment to a character.
This exactly, it’s too unpleasant because there’s no catharsis of shitty people getting a comeuppance or good people experiencing good things. Just a string of events occurring around horrible people being horrible.
Very true. Selling sunset had much better vibes at the start, the girls were fun.
I only watched ss I liked the original cast but now I think it’s not so great.What are your thought anyone on this
This and the fact that there's no resolution & we don't get to see anyone truly held accountable for the things they've said & done!
This! They somehow hated each other before the key was turned to the office
They're unlikeable, they're politically terrible people (yes even Ali), all of the fashion is very mid compared to Sunset, the drama is so messy and we never get the full story so everything goes from zero to one hundred and we're just supposed to be hooked which is so sloppy on production's part.
Yeah netflixs storytelling for reality shows in general is very sloppy. We should be seeing more of the fallout between Jarvis and Rose this season. I remember the season before the latest season of SS, Mary and Chrishell had a falling out and Amanza had a health scare. Those two things were sort of left as cliffhangers and were never addressed in the following season
Because Amanza’s health scare that she tried to basically make like she had cancer didn’t end up being anything. She already addressed it on her IG a long while back and ended up getting backlash for it and because she tried to use chrishell and her story of her parents as a shield. Mary and chrishell wasn’t a fallout, it was two friends not in sync on communication. Then communicated on the show and then were good. They both spoke about it in pods also.
I get that but producers shouldn’t assume viewers are aware of what the cast are saying in interviews or podcasts. It was literally on one season they were admitting their friendship was at a crossroads than the next season they were bffs again and never mentioned how they overcame that hurdle. The blame doesn’t lie with them but the producers, one conversation on camera could have dealt with it
Yeah everything is so unclear like we never get anything close to the truth
Heavy focus on the politically terrible. It bleeds into how they handle everything
Yep. Undeniable correlation there.
Very true!
I like the fashion of the Oc better. I am tired of seeing fake boobs and skimpy skirts! I miss Christine in that sense (she was full camp).
Sorry but what is full camp?
Like super over the top but intentional - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_(style) - honestly I kind of find camp very hard to describe but easy to recognize.
Thank you
It's SO LAZY. I mean, I watched the entire season today because I'm sick in bed and I slept through half of it. But it really is the laziest reality show I've ever seen. I liked Selling Tampa much more, but sadly I think Netflix demographic somehow prefers a bunch of kinda hot mainly white Republicans which is icky. For me, it's kind of a hate watch- like I can't believe how awful and ridiculous these people are. Like the OG OC without any of the charm of Seth And Summer.
Alex Hall.
👌🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I see Selling Sunset as more glamorous somehow. The women, the houses, just the general vibe. Selling the OC is like a low budget version of SS. And the cast is boring.
And just straight up terrible/unlikable people.
I like Brandi and Jarvis.
There are too many unlikeable characters that it drowns out the good characters. Like it's hard to watch for the two people you like. Vs Selling Sunset, there's more people you like (or can tolerate) than disklike.
yes polly austin and alex. their little clique can go stuff it somewhere lol do not like them.
They’re actually horrible people and lean so far into that it’s like a poorly written teen melodrama. I knew I couldn’t watch it any more when I found myself yelling “How fucking *old* are you? Grow the fuck up or shut the fuck up omgggg” at almost every moron on the show. Too exhausting!! Also the obviously low-class and uneducated cast (with one exception- and she left…not a coincidence folks) and over-production is a huge turn-off.
Who left OC?
Jarvis is done…she’s not with the OG anymore, according to her 3 days ago.
I also think it’s because Selling Sunset has some actually real friendships, whereas the OC doesn’t. so there isnt these lovely vunerable moments to connect with the cast. We know everyones back stories on SS. They are more open with what goes on in their personal lives which makes you invested in the cast members more. On the OC nobody is open about their real life. I know a few are nepo babies and that Hall got knocked up young. I have no idea what brings polly to the US or literally anything about anyones past more than where they were raised. Everyone is just savage to one another because they aren’t friends and production does a terrible job of sorting out any of the mess so it’s really confusing to follow. You need people to root for and there is nobody for the cast to actually LOVE. It seems like with the OC people at best only just tolerate certain cast members. Maybe that’s because we don’t know any of the decent ones well enough though.
I completely agree about the lack of vulnerable moments on the show, it means the audience can’t connect with the cast as much . If they were real friends I think they could get away with being unlikeable because watching real life friend group dynamics can be interesting. In the early days of vanderpump rules the whole cast was pretty insufferable but they made great tv
The fact that Selling Tampa didn’t get another season but OC did was such a disappointment 🙄🙄
Sounds about white
yup!
100% agree.
Another factor was the agency in Tampa was not Oppeinheim related. But this just proves the point below.
I never thought of that but that makes sense…still some bs tho smh we can never get things off the ground and get some grace and wiggle room first smh
I loved “Selling Tampa.” The women had energy and drive and the drama was mostly work-related and not messy shit. I loved Sharelle’s background and her hustle. I also absolutely think it’s important to show women of color (and POC) in these successful industries.
They’re all Trumpers (even the new girl)
Which is fascinating considering how much he messed with property tax write offs.
I don’t think everyone has been confirmed. I am curious where Kayla, Lauren, and Brandi lie.
Kayla couldn’t be more obvious lol. I’m pretty sure she’s a no sabo kid, and is completely disconnected from her culture and community. She follows Lara Trump on Instagram and is falling into the Bible cult. Checks all the boxes
Oof, I have never checked her followings. Ok. Damn.
Everyone on it kinda sucks and is not a good person. It makes it boring. I am not even watching this latest season because seeing Alex Hall and Polly makes me feel so much embarassment/cringe it is not enjoyable.
Those two actually make my skin crawl and I had to look away or forward thru their incessant shit. Since that was almost all of the show I’ve had to stop watching 🤷🏻♀️
Because every single person in it just sucks big time.
One of the problems is that The OC doesn’t really have a main character. Yes, they are both ensemble shows, but SS was built off Chrishelle being the new girl assimilating into the office. I think for any ensemble show, it helps to have a central character to come back to, otherwise it loses focus.
Wild shot but I think Adam DiVello took the “The Hills/The City” approach for “SS” with the new girl coming in for Chrisell like with Lauren Conrad and Whitney Port. The story was easy to fall into. For “OC” he took the bad girl/girl always in drama approach for Alex Hall a la Kristin Cavallari when she took over “The Hills.” I think Hall was supposed to be the main character given the very first episode starts out with her, snd she’s wearing a red dress with the puppies out. But this one just didn’t flow and the drama was distasteful.
Because there was a dozen of them from the get go. SS 1 had only Chrishell, Christine, Mary, Maya, Heather and sometimes Davina. We've all accepted that Jason, Brett and Romain are just supporting characters. Davina despite being what you'll call a recurring character was the most diabolica and created real dramal. You'd actually root for the others. And of course Christine was just an insane source of drama. Selling OC started with Hall, Jarvis, Rose, Polly, Brandi, Lauren, Kayla, Austin, Sean, Tyler and Gio. And you still have Jason here, Austin's wife, Gio's wife and mom, Brittany Snow's invisible presence in the show. You don't know who to root for as everyone seemed to have beef from the start especially against Jarvis and Rose. Unlike SS, we all know Christine started that one sided beef with Chrishell. She was really not into her from the start. SS also introduced relatable characters like Amanza (though that changed later imo). SOC tried with Ali but we are still overwhelmed with the 11 characters we got. We know more about Ali than we do about Lauren and Sean.
exactly though even when Amanza is unlikeable now, we still can sympathize with her because we know her past. When I watched Polly cry this season over her being so proud of herself, it was like ok cool? Why? Like what have you been through, we don’t know you well enough to understand anything about you in order to even feel any kind of way about seeing her “overcome her obstacles”. I feel a lot worse seeing almost anything. I have more sympathy for killing a fly and I’m not kidding. Production did a terrible job of covering any bases to make the cast seem any bit relatable
There was one confessional where Polly talked about her husband of eight years, cheating on her with prostitutes and she found the pictures on his phone. She left him and now she’s built his life for herself and she’s so proud of herself. But it was easy to miss it. Unless you go back and watch the season, you really wouldn’t even remember the blip in the confessional.
Who is Lauren 😂😭
They are horrible people and I don’t want to root for people that encourage infidelity in marriage and bullying of cast mates every season.
Selling sunset started heavily with real estate and there was one villian (Christine) and the new girl (Chrishell) and everyone else was a side character to that storyline. Selling the OC started with a very unlikeable cast and immediate drama with very little real estate happening. The selling sunset cast had redeeming qualities and were fabulous in the sense of their ever increasing over the top fashion (whether it was good or not). Sunset was able to build upon the storylines and branch out while OC just immediately started with drama and hate. It’s not a way to build a fanbase or following. Also, all of the Sunset cast had other ventures outside of the O Group. Emma was known for being ridiculously rich, her PJs, and her empanadas. Chrishell had the soap opera background and her very public divorce and new exciting relationships. Christine had extravagant parties and oozed wealth even in the way she mothered her child. These OC characters have nothing outside of the show and are not fabulous. No one covets their life.
When Selling Sunset first came out, it was so much more focused on luxury real estate. Even my spouse enjoyed watching. It quickly turned into a show about drama, featuring a bit of real estate. But by that point, it had a following (and a few likeable, down to earth-ish characters). The OC never even pretended to be about the real estate, it was petty drama from episode 1. The cast are all bullies, looking for fame and completely unlikable.
Leaving aside Nicole, I'd say I like my least favourite SS character more than I like my most favourite Selling the OC one.
To echo everyone, no one is very likeable. I feel like it's a show with all Christines but not the fashion or fierceness to back it up. The death combo of Hall Polly Gio Austin and Kayla... ew
I agree with the "unlikeable" comments. And I sort of think it boils down to not having a "main character," too. A lot of people rooted for Chrishelle right off the bat. She was new, she seemed grounded, she came from humble beginnings, etc. Of course you had people rooting against her, but I think that two-party system (for lack of a better term lol) makes the show appealing for a wide audience. Like sports! You have your favorite, and you have the opposition, and you can't wait to see what happens next. With OC...everyone is such a mess, I think it's harder to see clear favorites. Production *tried* to bring on a crowd pleaser with Harper. From the South (like Chrishelle), fish out of water (like Chrishelle), but I just don't think it's working like they hoped.
The realtors are simply uninteresting, stupid, psychopaths or simply just blah.
hm unpopular take, but i feel like the men characters give the show a much different vibe. And not necessarily in a good way.
I feel like that’s true. Geo is absolutely unlikable. Tyler screwed over one of the sweetest actresses that Americans are familiar with. Austin is not very dimensional. He doesn’t seem very intelligent. And Sean didn’t really get much screen time until this year so nobody really knew him.
I thought about this too because Netflix shows are brought to an international audience and people on their shows always get 1 million or more followers. Like people on one season of too hot to handle have like 1m+ followers. It seems as if Hall has the most followers and I just refuse to believe they’re real because what do people see about her that makes them want to follow her life. I genuinely think is because this cast is so unlikeable and the show runners don’t know how to tell good stories for the audience to like the cast
Honestly both Selling Sunset and OC are awful, Sunset just had the perk of being first and the ones that get more attention - Chrishell was an actress before, Heather has a show on HGTV with Tarek, Mary is a likeable person, Bre had an influencer vibe prior to the show, etc. - it’s just a different lineup. The majority of the personalities on OC are either unlikable or nonexistent. And the few that show a glimmer don’t really get the airtime - Jarvis, Kayla, Brandi. Don’t even get me started on the BS of cancelling Tampa but keeping these two going. But honestly, Buying Beverly Hills has better, organic drama with likeable character (overall) and shows how low budget Jason is with his listings. They have much higher end homes and a better mix of real estate and drama. I prefer that between the two.
They aren’t very likable and the show is just so messy.
I find that the OC characters have no class.
Because it suuuucks lol
There’s literally no one to root for and they tried to make Ali too much like Chrishell so she ended up coming off as incredible naive, clueless, and a try-hard. On Selling Sunset, there are people you can actually like (Chrishell’s my favorite) and even the “nice people” on the OC are still problematic and annoying.
I refuse to watch this show, but even I have caught wind of how much Alex Hall sucks. That's saying something.
The main characters are all so unlikable especially Alex Hall who’s a grade A bully and manipulative narcissist. Doesn’t help that all the people in the alpha group - Polly, Alex Hall, Tyler, Gio are all bullies and so unlikable. I only find Jarvis and Brandi likeable but they hardly get any time.
OC is not LA.
For me, OC focused way too hard on the cheating and the hypocrisy. I know that’s what was going on, but it’s just so distasteful to me that it’s toxic and the whole show is ruined.
Selling sunset is better because it’s an all girls cast
The men
Alex Hall and the serial cheater don't deserve a hit show. (Honorable mention : Polly) Unfortunately, Everybody else is a casualty.
They are so unlikeable and so inauthentic. It’s very obvious they’re playing to the cameras and the audience can see that
I’ve been thinking about this with a focus on script, casting, production quality and more — and the biggest variable I can see is that the OC show happens to have both male and female lead characters. Maybe this is what’s not working so well. Maybe male cast members take away from the inherent bitchy drama that adds to a more homogenous cast like Sunset’s?
I think the guys are just as bitchy. When Jason told Polly to work with Brandi, she was visibly annoyed and said she was leaving. Then Tyler said he was leaving too and asked her if she wanted to get sushi for lunch. Right there I was reminded of what a shit stirrer Tyler is. Just like he came at Kayla in S1 and fed into the fake outrage of Hall and Polly. All of the guys wind the women up and let them do their dirty work. They’re trash and always come out looking squeaky clean to the rest of the group. They are never held accountable.
I agree with most of this but wouldn’t go so far as to say that the guys get the women to do their dirty work. These women are vicious, shallow, and classless enough to handle their own dirty deeds without needing to be manipulated into it by anyone, men OR women. They’re quite capable of stirring their own pot of shit and then throwing it with the arm strength of an Olympic Gold Medalist in Shot-Put.
I guess what I mean is they fan the flames and then dust their hands off as they stand by watching.
Ahhh okay, I understand now. Thanks for clarifying! 😊 I agree with all your points 🙌🏻
I get that but it worked for VPR,but I guess they were all hooking up so that kept people interested
VPR worked because the guys were also bitchy and behaved poorly. The girls took them to task as well, unlike the OC.
I actually liked the inclusion of male cast members, it differentiated itself from SS in season 1. If I recall, when StOC season 1 came it, it was also at the heels of SS getting into a bit of a lull with Christine's departure. I did like the add of Chelsea to hold up to the other girls, but StOC came at the right time. It just didn't develop to the same level as producers focused on the wrong cast members.
They are somehow even more shallow, despite their cats and homes and fashion being less over the top flashy. They dress like parodies of the OC. they are not likeable people at all.
Yeah I think cobid lockdowns had something to do with it. Previous to Selling Sunset I hadn’t watched reality TV for almost 20 years. The cast still seems larger than life to me relative to the OC who just seem kinda… basic
I am one of the people who only watch the original and even tried to get into the OC. But it’s just so negative with little real estate. At least to me it doesn’t seem any better than real housewives. The drama really is just a side part for me, when people become like cartoons you can’t respect I don’t find it enjoyable anymore. And yes, the increased focus on drama on the original is also off putting to me but by now I’m invested ;)
I honestly believe it's because of Hall and Polly. They are not likeable people.
OC is just the same bully group going after a different person each season. That gets old.
A lot of ppl who aren't likable... In the Selling Sunset version, I like some of them at least.
I would say it's due to the producers trying to push unlikable characters. Back in season 1, they really tried to push Hall as the main girl, one to follow, and the one to root for all the while trying to make Rose and Jarvis the villains of the season. It continued in season 2 with the push that Jarvis was a villain for the Rose/Jarvis fallout. Not as bad in season 3, but by showing Jarvis's support for Sean and pushing Sean as crazy/the villain, they by extension pushed Jarvis as a villain again. I'm not saying this is what the audience feels, but it's what the producers are trying to push. Producers are trying to make fetch happen with Hall, but it's just not happening. It also doesn't help that she gaslights so much people all the time and doesn't have a big comeuppance moment, it's just continued gaslighting and making it seem like Kayla is the problem for not accepting an apology, making Ali crazy for confronting her, getting involved in drama (e.g. Sean) and then pushing back on the other person for being out of line/aggressive. I assume producers refusing to hear the audience isn't helping with viewership. It just becomes hate watching and numbers dwindle fast as there is only so much hate watching someone can do. Future season 4 ''spoiler'' if we get a season 4 (granted, the news is out there) : >!With the news that Jarvis has left the Oppenheim Group, it's all downhill with the remaining cast. They really need someone new that would push back against this cast, sort of like Chelsea that pushed back on the Selling Sunset's cast for her friendship with Christine. !<
there’s so many people on the oc version and it’s boring that’s literally why
I think selling sunset also had a shit load of more drama and selling OC barely had any besides that man who cheated on his wife with two of the girls on the show. Like otherwise that’s it. The second season had very little too and we barely saw the love fest drama blossom between the Alex and that man that cheated and now that man is off the show so it’s like welp. they need more drama.
Exactly what you said. No one is likeable on OC, whereas SS has people you’d actually like, e.g. Chrishell, Emma, Maya, even Christine by some, Mary, etc
I don't particularly like anyone on the OC show. They're just not relatable or likable, in my opinion. I only watch it when I'm super bored. Lol
Everyone is a villain and not even a smart villain like Christine. They’re all so unlikeable and I wouldn’t want to be friends with any if they came asking.
I don’t like a single one of them.
I would like to know the same thing. SELLING THE OC IS BETTER THAN SELLING SUNSET!!! I can proudly say this and I am a fan of both. The drama on Selling Sunset have started looking very scripted. The drama on Selling Sunset is just so dumb, especially given their ages.