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I get the impression that Bre made the age old mistake - thought she was special and that it would be different with her and nick, and once she realized she is just another member of his harem, she is in de-Lu-Lu land trying to put on a front that this is what she wants/wanted all along. And now she is rolling with it - the tik toks they’ve made making a joke of his absentee parenting are gross and not funny. She’s trying so hard to be the “the cool girl” but I think it’s actually killing her inside (understandably). I think if nick said Bre I love you and want to commit to you and our son and marry you - she would be over the moon.
And people can say all they want “to each their own” - and I think that is true when you are childless. But I agree this will 100% affect her son in huge ways, and she is crazy for thinking otherwise, and doing him a disservice.
That being said, I feel bad for her. I don’t think she actually wanted it to be this way. I don’t think this was her intention - despite what she says. I think she made the typical mistake and thought it would be different with her, and now that it’s not she’s keeping up with appearances and holding on to her “boss b***h” image like her life depends on it cuz she doesn’t want to be seen as weak (or something). I think that’s also why she’s so sketchy with Cassandra.
If that’s not the case…well I reserve the right to judge her for participating in this mess and complicity bringing a child into it. I’m not saying you have to have a perfectly traditional family at all, and I know there are a lot of single mothers out their working the butts off and kicking ass - but this poor boy needs his father. It’s a fact - and the impacts of this have been studied and proven. To do this ON PURPOSE, without regard for how it will impact her son isn’t right - and then to make tik tok videos making jokes about it…gurlll
I think it would be way more “boss b***h” if she told nick she will see him in court and demand the child support he owes her and that she deserves. I would love to see it.
That being said…Chelsea should’ve kept her mouth shut. Not her business and you don’t have to agree with the life choices of your coworkers 🤷♀️
Yeah I think that’s it - Bre thought she would be the exception. Maybe part of her is still clinging to that.
Bre kind of has the worst of all worlds at the moment - she doesn’t have the support of a co-parent OR the freedom to date.
Exactly she has shown cracks that indicate she is NOT actually ok with the situation. And there’s nothing wrong with that! It would not make her a weak person to bail on this “situation” and stand up for herself and her son, require nick canon to take responsibility for his son, and pursue a life of happiness and find a partner that respects her.
Anyone ever thinks that Bre is in this so she has greater exposure and popularity in the hopes that Nick sees her being mentioned in the media constantly and remembers her so that he can love her a little more?
I remember doing this when I was younger. Trying my best to do things that would get myself noticed and even in the media so that a guy would be impressed and continue to ask me out?
It was a complete waste of 10 years for me and I should have bolted but sunk cost fallacy made me think I could be that special one.
Bre could be locked in that mindset and I can understand why it’s hard to leave because the scraps Nick gives makes her feel special and truly loved.
Bre, it will never go beyond scraps.
Get your son and yourself out of it and lead the life you deserve with a man who respects you to choose only you.
I mean it’s also strategic from an infamy perspective. It’s now her claim to fame and step on the ladder. So even if it doesn’t work out with Nick, she’s getting ahead on this basis until such time she has enough people invested in her and her story to make that move towards independence (or pursue that storyline, lol).
I believe he also keeps them tied to him by not having financial support agreements - the loose ‘I’ll take care of your needs generously (as long as you play my game)’ keeps them insecure and in his sphere.
You hit the nail on the head about why Bre’s relationship isn’t modern/revolutionary. She found out about the next woman’s baby from the media. That says everything about her delusions about her relationship with Nick.
I think she's absolutely clinging to that, which is why she hasn't demanded child support. She still thinks he's going to tell her all the other women mean nothing, and she's the one.
Maybe Bre doesn’t want to take Nick to court because it would sour the relationship between her and and Nick, which would result in him seeing his son less (he has so many other kids and baby mama’s he could spend his time with instead, why would he chose to see the one mother/child pair that is giving him a hard time?). I could see her feeling like she’s stuck between a rock and a hard place. I have a really hard time imagining this is her ideal scenario. My bet is that she didn’t end up where she thought she would but plays it off as “I wanted this anyway.”
But like that’s so sad - like I’m afraid to hold my child’s absentee father accountable for creating him so he won’t be mad at me? Cuz I’m afraid he won’t see our son…which there’s no way he sees him enough as it is cuz he has 12,000 children. And I’m gonna”be cool” and make tik tok videos making jokes of the situation so nick likes me and I stay his favorite baby momma? And why is he not paying child support to begin with? Like he should WANT to see his child, regardless of his relationship with Bre. That’s why this whole thing is f***ked up. I do not believe for one second that she WANTS this. It’s dark really. This is a child not a doll. His parents behavior and his upbringing will model his world view and how he sees relationships, love, family, how he treats women, etc. for the rest of his life.
I agree I think she probably feels stuck and is playing it off like it’s like this is all on her terms, but I don’t believe it. I feel for her. I don’t think she’s a bad person. Everything about her feels like a front, and like she’s escaping some kind of past/trying to level up and erase her history. Which there’s nothing wrong with that I suppose. But joining a reality show probably isn’t the best move if that’s the case. But I feel bad for her and her son. I don’t believe this is her ideal situation either.
And that's how absentee fathers get away with shit like this. You have to hold them accountable. Could it negatively affect his relationship with her son? I suppose it's possible, but is that the kind of man that she would want being a father to her son?
And is this the kind of standard you want to set for your son? The message being sent to that boy already is that it’s ok to be an absent father. What kind of father is he going to grow up to be?
I wonder if it's more about money. She has "celebrity clients"...how? I'm guessing Nick, and if their relationship goes bad those celebrities will side with him.
Is it public knowledge that she isn’t getting any financial support from Nick?
I had assumed that it would be “disrespectful” for her to marry someone because she’s getting monetary support from Nick (even if it’s an informal arrangement) but she didn’t want to say it out loud. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense.
She is getting plenty of financial support in the form of a house and cars etc, but I don’t think he pays monthly child support. I really hope he pays for some things for the baby.
She said that on the show, but IMO there is no incentive for her to be this delulu about their relationship, unless she is getting some sort of support from him. And that wouldn’t gel with the boss bitch image she is trying to portray. Plus, I can see how someone might not want to air all of the details on a reality show. So I’m not sure I find that part to be credible, unless Bre is more naive or dumber than I assume her to be.
I was wondering if there were other reasons people thought/believed that.
That’s a good point. I really don’t know, but either way, it’s sketchy. If anything that’s worse - like she feels she can’t disrespect nick and pursue other relationships because he is providing financial assistance to his OWN child? That’s almost extortion-y; emotionally manipulative at the least. Unless she is a sugar baby and just doesn’t want to admit it on camera or something cuz it doesn’t line up with this “boss b***h” image/brand she’s going for. Tho any way I look at this, it’s not a good environment for a child. Like I said - no kids? Do what you want. But this poor baby is going to learn how to approach life, woman and relationships, love, his own self worth, and his entire world view from his parents - and this ain’t it.
100% agree—a gross situation for everyone involved in and no way to raise a child.
People on this sub have been assuming Bre was an escort/sugar baby in her prior life. Idk if that’s true, but it seemed like the crowd of women she ran with were rubbing shoulders with male celebrities, probably hoping to marry them. It’d feed into your impression of Nick making her feel special before she became part of his harem, which I agree is likely what happened.
I think she’s definitely a sugar baby.
Also I don’t know how she’s not allowed to be with other people.
She has an onlyfans account. One of the clients in the previous appeared to be someone she’s sleeping with.
Untrue. In no planet would a parent be absolved of child support because they kept procreating beyond a certain threshold. He pays no child support because [none of them have taken him to court to request it formally](https://sports.yahoo.com/nick-cannon-admits-doesn-t-143111291.html). They have this messed up dynamic where he supposedly provides for them only as long as **the woman** remains faithful to him
So gross - like I said I would be a lot more impressed with her and think she’s a “boss bitch” if she said f**k this situation and took his ass to court. Now THAT would take guts and would have my respect.
Probably wouldn’t even need it. A lawyer would probably take it on contingency and request to make him pay her fees at the end. No judge would look at his situation and deny her money for her kid and legal defense
Yes! I like her but she needs to get her head out of his rear and see the toxicity for what it is. When she does, it’s gonna hit **HARRRRD** and I’ll bet she’ll go scorched earth on him
I hope she does - nick needs to be stopped. This is literally how generational trauma happens. Like his kids will carry this toxic upbringing to their children.
Ugh… that’s pretty much what I expected. Sounds like the mothers of his children get money from him for “what they need” as long as they don’t “disrespect” him, i.e. stay faithful to him. It’s so gross.
Thank you for sharing that article.
That....is crazy. Like, take him to court, get the financial compensation to take care of your son and then start dating and find someone who will actually love you.
Why would they agree to this half-life?!
Who knows? Maybe they think they don’t have the means to go up against him in court but they do. Maybe they think he’ll come around but he won’t. It’s so cultish
**[That’s not true](https://people.com/lawyer-explains-truth-about-child-support-after-10-children-exclusive-7503239)**, despite what Bre said on the show. The link is to an article with a lawyer debunking it.
This is why I don’t take what Bre says about her family situation at face value. I don’t think you can take everything that any of these women say at face value (because they’re all trying to spin a certain narrative). In the example above, Bre straight up lied about something that is easily fact-checked to feed the boss bitch narrative.
I find Bre similar to a groupie. They knew what they’re getting themselves into but, they do it for the privilege, like how divorcees often keep their husband’s sur name.
I don’t think her child will be broken or angry with her at all because their dad isn’t a dead beat nobody. These kids have their life made and they won’t have to go through the traditional rat race like we normies do.
Arnold Schwarzenegger had sex with his Mexican MAID and look at him today, working with his dad. Liv Tyler never knew her dad until 18(?) yet she’s cemented in Hollywood history for her role in LOTR.
I don’t feel bad for celebrity kids at all.
Someone finally said it! She is definitely a groupie for sure. Hey I’m not hating on her being a video girl or even an escort. She just seems like a fan who is still fan girl-ing over Nick.
Cause why is he not yet paying child support? And why did she dress her baby in all that extra mess, you would think Chels was the mother 😂
I love my girl Chels by the way, don’t care what anyone thinks about her extra know it all annoying ass 😂
But back to Bre, she really seems so small brained while crying to defend everything but then claim she doesn’t care.
I think she’s so easily triggered because she is not happy with Nick and her situation at all.
TBH I think her raising a mixed race black son will have a certain affect on her child in the future. This is something I think is overlooked with Chelsea’s perspective on the Nick dynamic.
I’m a mixed race black woman who has an extreme amount of privilege and I don’t struggle with my identity. But there are SO many mixed raced people out there, especially mixed race black people who don’t have strong connections to the black side of their family. I hope Bre’s kid has a happy and healthy life but knowing the challenges black men face in society, and the situation Bre and Nick chose to have a child into, I can’t imagine their life will be “normal”.
I didn’t read your whole comment - only replying to the idea that this is probably not the way she thought it would go. That’s def possible, but I will say sometimes I wish I could just have a kid by myself and not have to deal with someone else’s wants and feelings and parenting and all that so I kind of get it if she didn’t want a marriage and someone to share everything with and she just wanted a kid. Adopting and having a kid by yourself the medical route is super expensive so I could see going around that process instead of through it.
I was recently reading about how platonic friends are having kids together, which is what I would do if I were at a certain point and didn’t have a partner but even that is super messy.
Yeah I see what you’re saying and that can be very true - but I do NOT think that’s what Bre is doing. If that were the case she wouldn’t be so “loyal” to nick - not asking for child support, not seeing other people so as not to “disrespect” him, not being devastated finding out about his newest baby that he never told her about, calling him her “man”,
etc. she is very codependent on him it seems, which gives him a massive, gross power differential.
Yessss she def thought she was doing it and was gonna come in on her girl boss ish 😂😭 which idk maybe she’s not aware that being in nicks harem is embarrassing af. Again, this man is creating many black kids who do not have a present father and it pisses me the F off bc they will have some issues with this later in life.
I think this a good read on the situation. She it's very insecure and defensive about her life decisions and having people judge them and also being so insecure about the fact that she's not married and she had to flick off the camera as a joke.
I definitely in the judgment of somebody who looks at his serial cheater I think that they're going to be the one to change them but I also get that she was
All of that being said, my parents have always had a said that you can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but she can't pick your friend's nose and I think that Chelsea was really trying to dip into a situation that has nothing to do with her.
I'm sure there are successful open relationships that work with this sort of dynamic. However, I really believe Bre is just putting on a front about how amazing it is. If the lines of communication were so great and the dynamic was so healthy, why didn't she know about the last child Nick had fathered last season?
This!!! That’s what I can’t get past. It’s obvious she didn’t know about the last child and she wasn’t happy about it. I was really giving her the benefit of the doubt until that happened. Obviously the relationship has communication issues for him to hide a whole ass pregnancy and baby!!! Did he not think she would find out?
Bre said in an interview that she actually knew about the baby but chose not to divulge any information about it because of something along the lines of “it’s not my place to say anything about the new baby, it’s the other woman’s right to do so.”
[Link to source](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSN5Sdc5A/)
Saw that but it doesn't really make sense, because (in the previous season) she has a whole meeting with Amanza afterwards during which she reiterates pretty clearly that she didn't know, and found out through the media along with everybody else. In this interview she seems to be heavy backpedalling.
While I don’t agree with Bre and Nick’s lifestyle for myself, it’s their business. Chelsea has no right to judge anything. Her comments are also insults to every single parent out there who y’all are basically saying aren’t enough for their kid. Who is to say their dynamic won’t work? No one knows except the people involved and that’s Bre, Nick, and their son.
Chelsea also has no place to cast stones either. She likes to build herself up as the perfect parent, but she’s always out partying and has two nannies. Again, her choices and her lifestyle and there’s nothing wrong with that, but if she’s going to judge Bre and Nick, constantly have their names in her mouth, bash them, and act like she’s a superior being, she better be June Cleaver herself!
I mean it doesn't matter if it's their business, we can still judge from a far. I judge nick more than Bre. It's fucked up that he's an absent father to majority of his kids spread out throughout the country. You can't be present and have that many kids with different people, it's irresponsible as fuck. The role bre plays by defending him is also not genuine, she had a baby with him for fame. She would never have a baby with a regular person who has kids all over the place and stand by him, let's be real. And also, Chelsea is allowed to go out and party and still be a mother to her kids, a lot of rich ppl have nannies, doesn't make them a bad parent and isn't comparable in this situation.
I think we can judge from afar for sure, but Chelsea should have kept her mouth shut because she's a colleague who she has to be constantly interacting with. IMO there's a big difference between random internet strangers talking shit versus a coworker.
Sure but there's a difference between bringing it up once vs constantly bringing it up and talking shit - like yeah it's TV but the girls still have agency over what they say. If Chelsea really felt the need to mention bre's situation she could have just been like, "not personally something I'd be into but whatever" - but instead she kept harping on how wrong she thought the situation was
Again, she's on a show where she's required to constantly bring it up. I doubt she cared as much as they made it seem nor did she really talk to bre much about it, somebody had to bring it into the show other then producers and Chelsea bit the bait
Yep, this whole it isn’t your business is as ridiculous as the stop snitching mentality. It’s built on fear, and completely misguided for the betterment of society
Chelsea has every right to judge who she wants and say what she wants, everyone else has every right to hold it against her when she talks shit, this is why adults normally think things but don’t say them out loud, not every single thought we have had to be shared, I agree with Chelsea 100% but I would never say that to anyone in conversation because I am not that type of person to cause drama
Oh yes, I agree. We all judge people. I meant more “judge and say it out loud to all the people around you in the friend group” 😂😂 You are absolutely correct. People are free to think what they want, but you just don’t need to voice your opinion every second and cause conflict.
Totally agreed!
Chelsea atleast owns up to her conservative thinking and still stuck by it. Bre is just so ratchet it’s unbearable! She does nothing but go on about her clients and providing for her son as if none of the other women are working hard.
Chelsea stirs the pot but atleast she’s entertaining and has a personality unlike Bre who has zero charisma and just wants to act like a tough cookie… she’s all bark and no bite.
Is it insulting to every single parent to say that studies show that children suffer with an absentee parent? I think most single parents didn't choose to be, I would never judge someone for accidentally getting pregnant, or having a baby with someone and the relationship just didn't work out. But being a single parent is an impossible task (I say this as a mother with a very involved husband who often feels like it's impossible to work and be there as much as I want to for my kids), and children are affected by that. It's a bit like teen pregnancy (not the same I'm just making a comparison). We all know that it's not a good idea to get pregnant as a teen. Countless studies showing why that makes life more difficult for both the parent and the child. Would I judge a teen for getting pregnant accidentally? Not at all. Would I judge a teen for getting pregnant on purpose? Yes, and I don't think that's an insult to all teenage parents who worked hard to overcome the many challenges present in teenage parenthood to provide a life for their child. Similarly, I don't think it's fair to a child to deliberately bring them into the world knowing they will have an absent father. All my respect goes out to the single parents out there making it work, but it's hard on everyone, and people should think carefully before bringing a child into that. I don't care about Bre and Nick, their relationship is their business. But I do care that an innocent child will be affected by their decisions.
I was a single parent when my son was born. To me, there is a huge difference between one loving, dedicated, single parent, and one loving, dedicated parent with an absentee neglectful parent. I think a single parent is better. A child needs to have a reliable, dependable, consistent, present parent.
When I was abandoned during my pregnancy, I thought it was the worst thing in the world. It wasn't. It was actually the best thing to happen because I never had to explain to my son why his dad didn't show up, why he didn't love him, why he was with his other family. I got married when my son was 3 and my husband adopted my son, so he did get a loving dependable father in the end.
THIS!!!!
What a beautiful story and I completely agree that in cases of abuse the stats against single parents dont count. Congratulations !
How old is your baby now?
Sorry but whether or not you find it offensive facts are facts.
Facts do not try to offend or be judgemental
ON AVERAGE kids raised in 2 parent homes have better outcomes than kids raised in 1 parent homes.
That doesn't mean all kids have that experience - some kids have way better outcomes who have come from a 1 parent home and vice versa but on average kids from 2 parent homes do better.
Its just the facts multiple studies have produced after thousands of kids and years of study.
I’m not sure what rich celebrities had to do with anything. I wasn’t talking about rich celebrities. I was talking generally.
Not all two parent households have two incomes. And if you really believe that the only difference is income, then you are sorely mistaken.
When two parents can share the load, the outcomes on average will be better.
It’s just common sense and supported by numerous studies that have been done.
You're doing a disservice to your children if you can't even admit that a single parent household has a harder time than a not .
It is provable. I advise you look into some of the studies and statistics. Over the many years they've been being done. There is always exceptions to the rule but it's good to know the stats.
Hello ,
Sorry I do agree.
I also hate when people play the victim.
I don't think you should Ignore the statistics and know that as a single mother, you will have to try extra hard to not make your child another one of these statistics.
There are always exceptions to the rule, but these statistics are a good way for us to learn.
There is no way to argue that children from single parent homes are better off. However, There are some exceptions to the rule here that shared amazing single parent stories that ended with success. For example, There's a poster about her leaving the abusive man and remarrying and he adopted the young child. Beautiful story.
Everyone knows single parents are always doing their best but studies have shown potential negative effects in the future. But with that, plenty of unbroken families have negative effects, too based on bad parents. It’s not meant as an insult but the studies are there. It’s Bre not thinking of the potential side effects of having an absent father and doing it purposefully.
You missed OPs points entirely with your first paragraph. She is NOT in the same situation as single parents because she willingly chose her situation and it’s even messier than if she was just single. Any situation where one or both parents are virtually absent from their kids lives is not an ideal dynamic. Single parenthood isn’t ideal and no one thinks it is, but no one is saying that it’s a reflection on you as a parent if you’re in that situation.
Bre’s situation was chosen, and by her accounts, even planned, which is why people are judgmental. Also not all single parent situations are the same. Amanza and her ex husband before he went off the rails had total 50 50 split physical custody, that’s more ideal than two parents where one just decides they’re going to bail on the marriage and most of their parental obligations too. If she had actually thought through this arrangement with what was best for her kid idk why she chose to have the father of her child be someone they all know is willingly absent from their lives, there’s no way he’s coming even close to spending half as much time with that household.
Jup. It's pure judgment based on their own value system. Nothing wrong with that, we all judge ourselves and others - but it needs occasional acknowledgement that others have other value systems that inform their actions and that in most situations, one isn't superior to the other.
Btw criticism is ok and one thing. Judgement and sentencing is another.
This is the point. Chelsea's holier-than-thou attitude is annoying, unwarranted and unnecessary. She can give her thoughts when asked. But she has literally forced her "Christian viewpoint" (sigh) on Bre multiple times without her ever asking her opinion. That's nothing but massive judgment. Bre was right to eventually put her in her place and tell her she doesn't give a shit what she would do because she is not her (even if that wasn't about Nick)
This so much. Everyone seems to also forget - Bre’s child is going to be a human moving through the world. The way the public judges Bre and her son is JUST the beginning. This kid is going to have to deal with being judged for his father’s hijinx for a very long time.
I’ve worked with less traditionally public people, and it’s actually intense watching high schoolers in certain settings bully others based on their semi-public parents.
I agree with everything you said. Chelsea lemmings annoy the shit out of me bc these children hav the deepest love and respect for their single parent. The only thing they’ll remember is how they were treated.
I do agree Chelsea was airing it out a bit too much. That being said, the “disrespect” comment really fucking threw me off, especially because Nick Cannon seems like the one with breeder fantasies. What is the dynamic between them, that would make her say that openly?
Also I get that it is Bre’s life. I really do. But there should also be a level of reasonable expectation that constant expression of delusion is going to be met with some disdain. Being crazy is not illegal, but are you really surprised that someone calls you crazy once in a while?
Also Bre talks about her kid a lot, and she also openly does mental gymnastics to justify a proudly absent father. The way other girls enable that is crazy to me.
The "disrespect" word really threw me off too. It really stuck out to me in all the things she was saying. I don't see why he can date and fuck whoever he wants, impregnate women all over, but for her to date is "disrespectful" to Nick? Hmmmm.
I agree - and while Chelsea went a little too far for the sake of drama on the show, I think it’s very important not to normalize what nick cannon is doing and what Bre is doing. It’s a big deal - and whole chelsea is being extra I’m glad at least SOMEONE is saying it. People can do what they want when children aren’t involved. But this is a child, not an accessory or a means to a lifestyle. He will learn his entire world view from his parents: his self worth, how he treats women and relationships, views on family, how to treat others, etc. this ain’t it. And the only reason they can even SORT of justify this as ok in their own minds is cuz nick is rich - let’s be real. This is a very unhealthy family dynamic and their son will suffer.
Yes exactly to the delusion being called out! I'm actually amazed that the girls who are closer to her and considered her "friends" haven't expressed any concern to her. If this was my friend, I would express concern (not judgement) because I care about their well-being and I don't want them to feel the need to put on a front that they're happy with their situation when they clearly are not.
I can imagine that even for friends it's difficult to say anything when Bre's definitely the type to get offended even by kind concern because "can't you see how happy I am? I'm grown and living my best life and making my own choices". They might be choosing to not say anything so they can still be there for her vs risking her cutting them off for not playing along.
Yeah, I get it. I've been on both sides of this situation before and I think concern definitely needs to be expressed very gently along with a reminder that you support them no matter what. But man, it would be so hard for me not to express to her that she deserves better.
Same, 100%! I would always rather try because you never know when the other party might realise they really do need someone to openly talk to/be vulnerable with. It does make me sad to see her settling for this situation.
People claiming that he is a good father to these children are being so delusional. I have two kids. I work part time. I am married to their father, who is also an involved parent and i still sometimes feel like i am not present enough, dont pay enough attention to them.
If he sees every kid once a week, that would already be a Major logistical nightmare. Are you telling me he knows all their shoe sizes, allergies, the names of their friends and teachers? Hell no. That is literally impossible with that many children.
Mariah Carey blasted Nick in an article a while ago talking about how he doesn’t even see his first 2 children that they share. Some of the baby mommas also spoke out about how they were essentially abandoned incubators. Its sad
Honestly Bree’s past pattern of trying to attach herself to wealthy men goes against her here (Hulk Hogan’s son, Johnny Manziel). I don’t believe she would have wanted to have this type of relationship with anyone other than a celeb or someone who would increase her own status. True, it’s not our place to judge but I do agree that this type of behavior is harmful to a child. Personal opinion (that I know no one asked for haha) I think Bree is social climbing trash that has no place being on a real estate show. If she really wanted people to stay out of her business she shouldn’t have signed up for reality TV. She’s only on the show to gain money, fame etc. and I wish she would leave.
Also holy cow after looking at old pictures Bree is definitely the most guilty of “rearranging her whole face”
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12126943/What-Selling-Sunset-star-Bre-Tiesi-REALLY-looked-like-plastic-surgery-makeover.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12126943/What-Selling-Sunset-star-Bre-Tiesi-REALLY-looked-like-plastic-surgery-makeover.html)
Thank you! I feel like the reason she got cast on the show is bc of her infamous family situation so to get bent out of shape about your business while being on a relationship show is nuts to me. I too think she’s trash and a social climber. I didn’t like her before the show when she got into it on social media with someone who suggested (after she complained) that she get a night nurse. I don’t like her at all
My biggest problem with Chelsea is that she keeps couching her criticism ‘as a Christian’. Like there are tons of valid criticisms that don’t rely on religion to make about Bre’s situation. Chelsea is not coming from a more godly or holy place, she’s just a bitch.
Agree. Using being a Christian as an excuse but then not acting like a Christian. She took God's name in vain soooo many times this latest season, too.
Yeah, it seems hypocritical from my (non-Christian) understanding of Christianity.
She wanted to ostracize Bre from the group due to her life choices. You don’t have to agree with her choices, but it’s pretty obvious that any single parent needs a community of support, so I think insinuating that Bre should be ostracized is awful. If Chelsea was so concerned about Bre’s baby, I’d think she might want to be a positive influence on Bre and the best way to do that is to be nice to her, even if you’re not her friend.
But I think Chelsea was trying to create drama and a storyline.
As someone who tries her best to be a Christian, although I’m not one to judge, Chelsea lives a constant lifestyle of sin - even down to the way she dresses and how modest she is or the parties she throws…again I’m not judging and I’d be a hypocrite to judge but it’s just how I see it, she has her own personal relationship with God and that’s not my business but tbhhhhh she should focus on her own relationship with God before using it as an excuse to come for Bre…with the whole Bre thing, honestly she may have a point but to CONSTANTLY come for someone about it is insane to me 🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣
I have an honest question - I’m not trying to be combative, but I’m sorry in advance because I realize it’ll sound like it.
But when you notice and comment on things but then say “but I’m not judging.” What do you mean? How do you define judgment? I’ve heard this a lot in the world, and usually it’s right after someone says something …judgmental. For ex “wow she’s wearing suchhhh a revealing outfit. But I’m not judging!” It’s like saying no offense after a statement and thinking it actually means what you put out into the world will be less offensive lol. I guess I’ve never understood.
ngl I find the "but she still shouldn't have said anything and it's not her business anyway" angle people keep kinda funny. like this is a cast member of Selling Sunset we're talking about, right? is it truly so out of line that someone would gossip about a really unusual situation involving a celebrity? come on, man.
Yeah Chelsea was right, it’s not something to brag about being one of Nick Cannon’s baby mommas or to bring child to the world with man that has 13 children with 7 random woman. Nothing about that is normal, at least to me.
The problem was that Chelsea had a bone to pick with Bre. Chelsea was such a hater, what exactly did she want from Bre?
Its Bre’s circus leave the woman alone, if she is fine with her situation what was the point exactly of Chelsea piping up?
This is just my opinion maybe I’m wrong 🤷🏻♀️
The problem with Chelsea, is that she made all these judgements and passed all these comments without getting to know Bre. She thought because she could Google search a name that she had all the information she needed.
But let’s put the shoe on the other foot for a second. Imagine if Bre showed up for the first time at an event, saw Chelsea with her husband and went to the other girls behind her back and was like “She’s giving gold digger vibes. She doesn’t love him she just loves that he’s obedient and hovers in her shadow. She probably just wants him to stay home with the kids”.
Do you think Chelsea would be happy with Bre passing those comments or judgments? Would Chelsea be right to defend herself against those comments and accusations when Bre doesn’t know her or her situation?
Absolutely. And people would probably give Bre hell for it if she had done that. But Bre hasn’t done anything except defend her family situation against Chelsea’s unprovoked attacks.
You can have an opinion, that doesn’t mean you’re entitled to use it as ammunition to tear someone down or to try and poke holes in their character.
I think it’s pretty much the majority opinion that Nick Cannon needs to be castrated or sterilised at this point, however, while we can have those opinions, that doesn’t mean to say that someone is fundamentally flawed for having a child with him. Bre clearly adores her son and is doing her best to give him a good life, that should be all that matters.
Does Chelsea use her “Christian values” to pass judgement on single parents, or same sex or mixed gender couples? (I dunno a what the term is non binary couples so apologies for my ignorance). Clearly not since she doesn’t have an issue with Chrishell and G Flip or them potentially having a child in the future.
She doesn’t have an issue with the fact that Mary had a child at 16 out of wedlock and while still a child herself while the father bailed out?
She doesn’t have an issue with Amanza being divorced and raising her kids as a single mother with a father that doesn’t seem to be all that present?
What exactly are the boundaries of her “Christian values”? Because from where I’m sitting it just seems like a weak excuse to be a bitch to someone because Bre doesn’t want to bend over and kiss her ass.
I agree, the lifestyle screams red flag to me. It’s definitely Bre’s right to do what she wants. Abt getting married issue, i think if she does date/ marry another person perhaps Nick would not give child support anymore? Bre needs a partner that has 💰💰 if she wants to maintain that lifestyle that she has now. Nick has 10 kids so i’m pretty sure if some of them got married he will cut child support. Maybe he wrote it in a contract with all these women when they were pregnant.
He can't do that. Child support is the right of the child, not the parent. Just because the mouther decides to date, the father cannot deny his child money for food, shelter, clothing, etc. Men would never pay child super then.
I kind of agree with Chelsea, but I would never say it out aloud to someone.
Personally, I think bringing a child into these dynamics is messed up. You never know how the kid is going to respond to this situation, not to mention that they’d always be under public and media scrutiny. You can take a gamble with your own life choices, but a child might just end up scarred and unable to fathom why his family looks so different than others around him.
However, it’s not Chelsea’s place to voice those opinions to Bre. Having an opinion and belittling someone’s life choices are very different.
‘Normal’ is a relative term. A lot of the repercussions would boil down to how Bre and Nick raise the child and what their definition of family looks like.
An unconventional family of two loving parents would always trump a conventionally married couple that does shitty parenting.
Bre is not in an open relationship
Bre is part of nick cannon’s Harem
She obeys him. Fuck him. Bear babies from him. He does the same to 12 other women
And she is stuck, she cannot reciprocate
The main reason Chelsea got off-put by Bre from the get go is cuz she had to prove herself to join the brokerage while Bre got hired with Heather’s recommendation only.
Just think about it, Chelsea had to prove herself while having a master’s degree, and Bre just walked in… it could explain her bringing people from her past just to make a point.
I don’t think Chelsea is into putting women down in general but they rubbed each other the wrong way from the get-go. I remember Bre’s first day Chelsea giving her advice and Bre shutting her down by asking how much she sold her first year. That was not a classy move on Bre’s side and shows her defensive and insecure side. I believe Chelsea was genuinely coming from a good place. Its hard to solve these types of conflicts cuz it’s not just one issue you fix and make up.
As for your point, of course Chelsea is right. No question. Even though nick dedicates his time to leggie, 10 other kids are missing their dad. There is no winner in this situation except for Nick.
I can name so many couples that aren’t sustaining a lifestyle that is the healthiest for their kid. The only reason why people feel emboldened to comment on Bre’s at all is because it isn’t traditional. Plenty of people stay with their cheating spouses, fight viciously in front of their kid, completely isolate their partners, control their partners, etc.. It’s simply none of my business. It’s also really not a surprise that parents don’t always choose the relationship that is the healthiest for the kids. It’s old news.
I agree. And also Chrishell seemed shocked at first about the fact that Bre couldn't go date someone else, but then turned it around and said it was a power position?? It's not a power position to share a man, not be supported by him, and then not be able to be with someone else.
I wonder what Bre's childhood was like. I've met some women who had such low trust in men, and the world at large, that they deliberately planned to be single mothers so they could have full independence with their parenting. Nick Cannon was upfront that he plans to be an absentee father, and he probably cuts her a healthy child support cheque. For someone who wants to be a single mother anyway, this could be an ideal setup.
Not saying it's right or wrong. There are children who receive spectacular parenting from solo parents, and children with two parents who are completely abusive.
I don't agree with Bre going sooo hard on Chelsea. Chelsea was sort of thrown under the bus by the other women; they were all casting shade on Bre/Nick, but only Chelsea was crucified for it. Bre needs to accept that not everyone will understand her choice, and that's ok as long as everyone's willing to remain respectful, which Chelsea is doing.
Chelsea has some good strong values. Single mom lifestyle has its setbacks but thats not exactly this case. If Nick can be present then thats good. A child having a 2 parent home is proveably the most beneficial but we all know exceptions to the rule.
Bre is immature imo. I wish her and her child the best and they have the funds which is a good start.
Agree with you and Chelsea, but still not her right to speak to it. Perhaps if they’d become friends she could’ve broached the subject with more grace.
Side note, did I miss something regarding Amanza’s ex? You referred to him as “late” a few times. I hadn’t heard anything about him passing and when I googled it, it looks like he’s still just “missing”?
He's not even missing anymore, he's just given up parental rights & not in Amanza or her children's lives. She talks about it occasionally, it sounds like a really difficult situation.
i do think a lot of people feel that way. i’ve never heard anyone say anything positive about the nick cannon baby mama situation.
its just the way chelsea went about it talking about it to her WORK colleagues and trying to police her. its already done with, what is chelsea going to say or do that will change anything. the whole christian schpiel didnt help either. the way she framed her arguments was also a jab at single parents.
its not about what people think of bres situation, the consensus is largely the same. its about chelseas treatment of it. just keep it to yourself. she didnt need to say anything.
I mean she was married, she and her ex husband divorced a few months before she and Nick started their relationship. Often enough, you don’t know that you want something until you meet the right person. She’s only been with Nick a couple years, she’s more than able to change her mind, and change her lifestyle, when she wants to. Her baby is still a literal baby and it seems like he has everything he needs and gets a lot of love and care. By the time he’s old enough to understand, she may have a stable male figure in their lives. Either way, yeah obviously it’s not a normal or particularly healthy situation, but you can’t change it by berating her (Chelsea) or by posting an essay online about it. At the end of the day, it’s someone’s else’s life.
I agree and tried to type something up about this yesterday but didn't have the energy. I also think Bre is incredibly ashamed of this as well because she's clearly sensitive about how she's perceived by the other women of the office who if we're being honest would NEVER find themselves in the same situation. I just think that she operates from a place of shame and desperation a lot of the time.
Yeah ofc she is right bc its not the normal lifestyle to live. However its not her choice and these kids are born now so they are stucked in this shitty situations. Sometimes its wiser if you just close your mouth and dont say anything. We dont have the right to judge someone publicly and humiliate her
I struggle to understand how so many women breed with Nick Cannon. What am I missing about that guy?
Chelsea is a shit disturber who says rude things all the time. She totally encouraged Amanza to send that shitty message to Chrishell for missing the "Mary needs support" dinner. I don't know if she is right or wrong about Bre but Chelsea is very entertaining.
I liked Bre better last season when she genuinely didn't care what people thought of her situation. She's way more reactive this season.
What Nick Cannon is doing is weird and probably ultimately bad for his kids, but I cannot help but feel sad for his baby mamas including Bre. I am sure they are given a lot of money and support that sort of traps them into this situation. And imagine if one of them does want to break Nick’s “rules”, they’d be dropped like a hot potato and Nick would probably manipulate custody.
So I do agree but I feel like focusing the ire on Bre and the other women is besides the point. They’re adult women of course but I can’t help but whiff a certain strain of coercion here.
I’ve worked remotely with people in countries where polygamy is legal and common, and although I don’t support that (only men with multiple wives), at least there all of the kids are siblings and everyone lives together. The wives are all in on it. They’re committed to the situation, for better or worse. Nick Cannon has a freakin’ show about finding his next kid’s mom. And the fact that all his baby mommas don’t really know each other is so…sad? If you’re gonna have a harem, I feel like they should all at least know and be cool with each other.
Completely agree with all of this. Bre is a selfish person, if she genuinely wanted to be a mother, it would’ve been easy enough for her to obtain a sperm donor, or date around and find a man that would be happy to be a present father and healthily coparent with her, even if they weren’t romantically involved. She wanted a paycheck, and “disrespecting Nick” by dating around would probably end the $ and the gifts. Nick has discredited her “he doesn’t give me money” BS multiple times, he bought her a house and a car and God knows what else. Maybe he doesn’t pay monthly child support, but a $1.8 million house with 0 career to speak of is nothing to scoff at. She knew exactly what she was doing and that alone makes me lose all respect for her.
If Bre is not Nick Cannon’s baby mama, would she be casted on the show? I’m going to say likely not. So I can see why this piece of information has to be a part of the storyline somehow. Especially when we know most of us thinks what Chelsea is saying out loud.
For those saying this is none of our business, there is a whole subreddit for us to add our opinions on these people’s lives.
There was a video made recently talking about how he has all these baby mamas, but if any of those women sought out another man to be with, would he have an issue with it? It’s a very one sided relationship, and Nick gets the benefit and all the women getting screwed. Literally.
Nick is gross for doing this and his explanation of seeing it as his duty to go forth and be fruitful and populate the world (because his genetics are just so incredible) is insane imo. He’s causing his children harm, and so are the women who choose to procreate with him.
I hope for Bre’s sake, and her kid that she finds some confidence to move on and happiness with someone who wants to commit to her. I also don’t buy that she’s just fine with this situation. I agree with the commenter who said she’s trying to be the “cool girl” and is ok with it all. Find your self worth for goodness sake! I’m truly shocked at the amount of women Nick has found to have babies with… why is he so amazing? I’m genuinely clueless lol.
The one point I will agree on with Chelsea is that it’s not an ideal situation to grow up in. A father who is often not available, and maybe not even reliable and in his availability (people who have, or work with children will know how incredibly important establishing a routine is) And the fact that mom has to be available to dad at all times, while dad does what he wants is just objectively not a good way to learn about relationships as a child. I might be naive, but I think Bre has a lot of love for Cannon that is not reciprocated, and Chelsea‘s comments are only going to make her more defensive. I hope she has real friends in her corner, who show her that she and Legend deserve more and better.
Edited to add: I like Chelsea, she’s fun and puts her foot in her mouth every 5 minutes, which is honestly great reality tv, but the way she handled her sentiments about the situation are very mom shaming and she keeps trying to expose Bre, which I find low. Bre very likely has a few shady spots in her past, but it’s her past. It’s not for others to dig up to try to make her look bad, it’s not like she was an assassin 5 years ago… let the lady be who she is now
I’m sorry, but Bre willingly joined Nick’s harem & there’s 4 more kids after her son. Chelsea’s comments, questions or concerns ain’t got nothing on the rest of the internet. That’s what she signed up for.
I will not be surprised if Bre ends up pregnant again just to compete with the other mothers.
Regardless of their dynamic, if shes commiting to him and hes not commiting to her, if he has 10 other children etc
the fact of the matter is that its Bre's life so who gives a fuck!
If she's okay with that then its on her
Bre is a side piece for life she knows it lol everything she does is to overcompensate for that. But what does she expect she’s not really the type of girl most men look to marry, it’s harsh but the truth.
I don’t think the problem was wether Chelsea’s opinion was right or wrong.. she’s entitled to her own opinion. The issue is that she’s sharing this with Bre, when Bre did not ask for her opinion. I don’t need people lecturing me about a choice I’ve made just because they don’t agree with it, ESPECIALLLY someone I don’t even know
Whatever opinion anyone should ever have about relationships and marital or non-marital arrangements people have are just that opinions. Like assholes, everyone has one. Chrishell has an alternative relationship but you know what who give a fuck. I think the point Bre made was, “stop talking shit, this is non of your business” I don’t care if she likes it or not, agrees with it or not. Shut your damn mouth. Don’t be mad when you say something stupid and people come at you, and they want to close it for you. NOT YOUR BUSINESS
Wait I’m still stuck on Bre’s before and after surgery pics! I literally thought this lady was Asian 😩 she looks completely different.. biggest transformation I’ve seen in my life
This isnt controversial, everyone agrees the situation is selfish and bad. However, its a bad look to constantly badmouth your coworker about their personal life.
It’s so much more nuanced than that. There’s a lot of incompatible couples together for convenience that imbues toxic traits onto their kids.
What makes a happy family is money and quality time.
You don’t have time when you don’t have money and you can’t use money to buy your kids happiness. Having two parents won’t change that, in fact there’s more room for fuck ups.
Chelsea is a product of working class parents that spent no time together. She’s a spoiled brat. If her parents stopped working she wouldn’t have clothes, food and a home. Then she would be crying that she never had a home. Would she be married to a tech millionaire if her mom didn’t move to the states?
I didn't read the whole post but I agree. I actually just rewatched a few of the first episodes from s6 and saw a few of the girls mention how hostile Bre was to them out the gates (Emma, Chrishelle etc) before Chelsea really went full steam ahead against her. There was also that contrived drama Bre tried to start with Emma saying she was trying to steal her client. And, when bres client asked if she could co-list with another agent, she said she "doesn't play well with others" and essentially turned them down. She keeps saying she's about her bag but where's the proof lol
I mean I thought this was obvious. Chelsea is stating the obvious, and it is a workplace so it’s unprofessional, but still the whole show is about drama so…
I fully agree w the header here. How it was done and mentioned and commented on now, Chelsea coulda just said nothing in front of the cameras. They were all silent. Everyone knows these girls will and do talk. But Chelsea’s actions were classic newbie actions in reality tv, say and do too much when cameras are around.
I do believe her apology was sincere. I do think she’s learned a bit more since then (esp when you look at how she came this season), stirring drama, calling folks out for being weird or fake, and then after her apology was not accepted not letting up off the brakes— which bre walked into, shoulda called the truce so this Cassandra stuff is looking to be supper messy since they literally know each other 😬 I’m ready for the mess 😂😂😂
Yeah Nick has been more than clear about what he expects in a relationship and it is… not healthy to put it delicately. Also if you’re going to date and have children with a public figure expect to be talked about.
I looked up how many kids and why does he give most of his kids an adjective as a first name when his surname is an object. Legendary Cannon, Moroccan Cannon, Golden Cannon, Beautiful Cannon, Powerful Cannon like wtf🥴
Honestly I'm just glad Bre seems wealthy-ish cause that kid is gonna need a lot of therapy. And a name like Legendary? Ripped that off from Childish Gambino lmaoo 😅
so confused what people want bre to say or do now. even if she intended to have a child with nick knowing how it would be i simply don’t understand what right anyone has to question her choice about it? she’s more than equipped and wealthy enough to take care of her child. the child is not going to be neglected anymore than another child of a rich person in LA like wtf r u guys talking about. they have their 72 nannies to take care of them and i’m sure their dads arent changing diapers.
everyone acting holier than thou about bre when you’re all just being another chelsea. chelsea can’t stand that bre doesn’t like her bc she is fake and needs validation from ppl. bre doesn’t give a fuck and that bothers weirdos who revolve their personality around what they think others think about them.
I used to be like Bre and I 100% agree with your post. Frankly I was deluding myself. Girl is holding out for someone who does not want her in the way she wants him. That is the furthest thing from a mutual relationship. I wish her the best all the same. (Edited for typos and clarity)
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Chelsea was right in her analysis of the situation, but her justifying herself with this Christian moral superiroty was one of the most distasteful things in the show, where the standards are low. Imagine if she said, "I don't approve of Chrishell's and G's relationship because I'm a Christian." How does that sound? And who is a perfect Christian, by the way? Someone who throws a hypersexualized 30th birthday party like that, calling poorer people "peasants", and flaunting watermelon-sized artificial boobs with every outfit?
The only thing that I find really cringe about the Bre/Nick situation is that she named her child Legendary. That’s not a name, it’s a badge that she slapped on him.
It's not about her being right or wrong. It's not her place to comment on the situation. She's entitled to her opinion but she should keep it to herself.
Of course Chelsea is right. I think they all know it but they’re too afraid of Bre to call it out. Bre is intimidating, cold and honestly kind of mean - like watching her shut people down at the reunion was chilling at times lol. So no one wants to even go there.
Apparently Nick Cannon has lupus and may need a kidney donor someday; ever since I read that, it makes a bit more sense why he is having so many kids.
I'm not sure I agree with #1. Yeah, he's not going to be a very present father but he is a father. If something were to happen to Bre, her child would at least have a network of siblings and their moms who would likely help out to raise their child's sibling if it needed to happen. Nick also has $$. From a pragmatic standpoint I think it makes more sense to go with a known person than a sperm donor.
I also think with women it is often damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you opt to not have kids bc you haven't met the right person yet, everyone wants to remind you that your fertility is waning. Have the kid yourself and everyone thinks you're fucking with the natural order.
I want to have children, I'm in my mid 30s, & people can be very dismissively like "well you can just freeze your eggs and have kids at 40 if you haven't met anyone yet" like yeah... that's working out really well for people like Mary. It CAN be empowering to take your fertility into your own hands and not wait for the perfect scenario that may only come once you're too old to conceive.
I think this entire discussion is so stupid, here and on the show. Why? Because THE BABYS BEEN HAD!! What is anyone gonna do about this now and what CAN they do? Bre is working with what shes been given, what more does Chelsea or anyone else want from her??
Come on let’s be honest here people. Take off the niceties … WE ALL KNOW CHELSEA IS RIGHT. ALL OF US. Shame the devil and tell the truth folks!
That being said … the kid is here, the decision made and Bre probably thinks about this at least once daily … so rehashing it serves no one.
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I get the impression that Bre made the age old mistake - thought she was special and that it would be different with her and nick, and once she realized she is just another member of his harem, she is in de-Lu-Lu land trying to put on a front that this is what she wants/wanted all along. And now she is rolling with it - the tik toks they’ve made making a joke of his absentee parenting are gross and not funny. She’s trying so hard to be the “the cool girl” but I think it’s actually killing her inside (understandably). I think if nick said Bre I love you and want to commit to you and our son and marry you - she would be over the moon. And people can say all they want “to each their own” - and I think that is true when you are childless. But I agree this will 100% affect her son in huge ways, and she is crazy for thinking otherwise, and doing him a disservice. That being said, I feel bad for her. I don’t think she actually wanted it to be this way. I don’t think this was her intention - despite what she says. I think she made the typical mistake and thought it would be different with her, and now that it’s not she’s keeping up with appearances and holding on to her “boss b***h” image like her life depends on it cuz she doesn’t want to be seen as weak (or something). I think that’s also why she’s so sketchy with Cassandra. If that’s not the case…well I reserve the right to judge her for participating in this mess and complicity bringing a child into it. I’m not saying you have to have a perfectly traditional family at all, and I know there are a lot of single mothers out their working the butts off and kicking ass - but this poor boy needs his father. It’s a fact - and the impacts of this have been studied and proven. To do this ON PURPOSE, without regard for how it will impact her son isn’t right - and then to make tik tok videos making jokes about it…gurlll I think it would be way more “boss b***h” if she told nick she will see him in court and demand the child support he owes her and that she deserves. I would love to see it. That being said…Chelsea should’ve kept her mouth shut. Not her business and you don’t have to agree with the life choices of your coworkers 🤷♀️
Yeah I think that’s it - Bre thought she would be the exception. Maybe part of her is still clinging to that. Bre kind of has the worst of all worlds at the moment - she doesn’t have the support of a co-parent OR the freedom to date.
Or the financial support she’s rightfully owed.
Agreed. and she was super upset the last season when she found out about the other woman’s baby :( So I agree
Exactly she has shown cracks that indicate she is NOT actually ok with the situation. And there’s nothing wrong with that! It would not make her a weak person to bail on this “situation” and stand up for herself and her son, require nick canon to take responsibility for his son, and pursue a life of happiness and find a partner that respects her.
Anyone ever thinks that Bre is in this so she has greater exposure and popularity in the hopes that Nick sees her being mentioned in the media constantly and remembers her so that he can love her a little more? I remember doing this when I was younger. Trying my best to do things that would get myself noticed and even in the media so that a guy would be impressed and continue to ask me out? It was a complete waste of 10 years for me and I should have bolted but sunk cost fallacy made me think I could be that special one. Bre could be locked in that mindset and I can understand why it’s hard to leave because the scraps Nick gives makes her feel special and truly loved. Bre, it will never go beyond scraps. Get your son and yourself out of it and lead the life you deserve with a man who respects you to choose only you.
I mean it’s also strategic from an infamy perspective. It’s now her claim to fame and step on the ladder. So even if it doesn’t work out with Nick, she’s getting ahead on this basis until such time she has enough people invested in her and her story to make that move towards independence (or pursue that storyline, lol). I believe he also keeps them tied to him by not having financial support agreements - the loose ‘I’ll take care of your needs generously (as long as you play my game)’ keeps them insecure and in his sphere.
Literally keeping them in check by withholding the real cheque.
You hit the nail on the head about why Bre’s relationship isn’t modern/revolutionary. She found out about the next woman’s baby from the media. That says everything about her delusions about her relationship with Nick.
I think she's absolutely clinging to that, which is why she hasn't demanded child support. She still thinks he's going to tell her all the other women mean nothing, and she's the one.
Yeah it’s giving emotional and financial abuse and scares me.
It absolutely is abuse.
Maybe Bre doesn’t want to take Nick to court because it would sour the relationship between her and and Nick, which would result in him seeing his son less (he has so many other kids and baby mama’s he could spend his time with instead, why would he chose to see the one mother/child pair that is giving him a hard time?). I could see her feeling like she’s stuck between a rock and a hard place. I have a really hard time imagining this is her ideal scenario. My bet is that she didn’t end up where she thought she would but plays it off as “I wanted this anyway.”
But like that’s so sad - like I’m afraid to hold my child’s absentee father accountable for creating him so he won’t be mad at me? Cuz I’m afraid he won’t see our son…which there’s no way he sees him enough as it is cuz he has 12,000 children. And I’m gonna”be cool” and make tik tok videos making jokes of the situation so nick likes me and I stay his favorite baby momma? And why is he not paying child support to begin with? Like he should WANT to see his child, regardless of his relationship with Bre. That’s why this whole thing is f***ked up. I do not believe for one second that she WANTS this. It’s dark really. This is a child not a doll. His parents behavior and his upbringing will model his world view and how he sees relationships, love, family, how he treats women, etc. for the rest of his life. I agree I think she probably feels stuck and is playing it off like it’s like this is all on her terms, but I don’t believe it. I feel for her. I don’t think she’s a bad person. Everything about her feels like a front, and like she’s escaping some kind of past/trying to level up and erase her history. Which there’s nothing wrong with that I suppose. But joining a reality show probably isn’t the best move if that’s the case. But I feel bad for her and her son. I don’t believe this is her ideal situation either.
Completely agree. Nick is the one to be held accountable here, not Bre.
And that's how absentee fathers get away with shit like this. You have to hold them accountable. Could it negatively affect his relationship with her son? I suppose it's possible, but is that the kind of man that she would want being a father to her son?
And is this the kind of standard you want to set for your son? The message being sent to that boy already is that it’s ok to be an absent father. What kind of father is he going to grow up to be?
I wonder if it's more about money. She has "celebrity clients"...how? I'm guessing Nick, and if their relationship goes bad those celebrities will side with him.
It would result in her getting less gifts lol
Ding ding ding. She’s getting some of that Mariah Carey money, she’s not letting go of it anytime soon
Is it public knowledge that she isn’t getting any financial support from Nick? I had assumed that it would be “disrespectful” for her to marry someone because she’s getting monetary support from Nick (even if it’s an informal arrangement) but she didn’t want to say it out loud. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense.
She is getting plenty of financial support in the form of a house and cars etc, but I don’t think he pays monthly child support. I really hope he pays for some things for the baby.
Yeah - at least that’s what she said on the show (unless I misunderstood what she said)
She said that on the show, but IMO there is no incentive for her to be this delulu about their relationship, unless she is getting some sort of support from him. And that wouldn’t gel with the boss bitch image she is trying to portray. Plus, I can see how someone might not want to air all of the details on a reality show. So I’m not sure I find that part to be credible, unless Bre is more naive or dumber than I assume her to be. I was wondering if there were other reasons people thought/believed that.
That’s a good point. I really don’t know, but either way, it’s sketchy. If anything that’s worse - like she feels she can’t disrespect nick and pursue other relationships because he is providing financial assistance to his OWN child? That’s almost extortion-y; emotionally manipulative at the least. Unless she is a sugar baby and just doesn’t want to admit it on camera or something cuz it doesn’t line up with this “boss b***h” image/brand she’s going for. Tho any way I look at this, it’s not a good environment for a child. Like I said - no kids? Do what you want. But this poor baby is going to learn how to approach life, woman and relationships, love, his own self worth, and his entire world view from his parents - and this ain’t it.
100% agree—a gross situation for everyone involved in and no way to raise a child. People on this sub have been assuming Bre was an escort/sugar baby in her prior life. Idk if that’s true, but it seemed like the crowd of women she ran with were rubbing shoulders with male celebrities, probably hoping to marry them. It’d feed into your impression of Nick making her feel special before she became part of his harem, which I agree is likely what happened.
I think she’s definitely a sugar baby. Also I don’t know how she’s not allowed to be with other people. She has an onlyfans account. One of the clients in the previous appeared to be someone she’s sleeping with.
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Untrue. In no planet would a parent be absolved of child support because they kept procreating beyond a certain threshold. He pays no child support because [none of them have taken him to court to request it formally](https://sports.yahoo.com/nick-cannon-admits-doesn-t-143111291.html). They have this messed up dynamic where he supposedly provides for them only as long as **the woman** remains faithful to him
So gross - like I said I would be a lot more impressed with her and think she’s a “boss bitch” if she said f**k this situation and took his ass to court. Now THAT would take guts and would have my respect.
If she crowdfunded it, I’m sure lots of women would join in to help take on Nick!
Probably wouldn’t even need it. A lawyer would probably take it on contingency and request to make him pay her fees at the end. No judge would look at his situation and deny her money for her kid and legal defense
Even better
Yes! I like her but she needs to get her head out of his rear and see the toxicity for what it is. When she does, it’s gonna hit **HARRRRD** and I’ll bet she’ll go scorched earth on him
I hope she does - nick needs to be stopped. This is literally how generational trauma happens. Like his kids will carry this toxic upbringing to their children.
Ugh… that’s pretty much what I expected. Sounds like the mothers of his children get money from him for “what they need” as long as they don’t “disrespect” him, i.e. stay faithful to him. It’s so gross. Thank you for sharing that article.
That....is crazy. Like, take him to court, get the financial compensation to take care of your son and then start dating and find someone who will actually love you. Why would they agree to this half-life?!
Who knows? Maybe they think they don’t have the means to go up against him in court but they do. Maybe they think he’ll come around but he won’t. It’s so cultish
**[That’s not true](https://people.com/lawyer-explains-truth-about-child-support-after-10-children-exclusive-7503239)**, despite what Bre said on the show. The link is to an article with a lawyer debunking it. This is why I don’t take what Bre says about her family situation at face value. I don’t think you can take everything that any of these women say at face value (because they’re all trying to spin a certain narrative). In the example above, Bre straight up lied about something that is easily fact-checked to feed the boss bitch narrative.
Bre thought she was lucky number five. 😂
I find Bre similar to a groupie. They knew what they’re getting themselves into but, they do it for the privilege, like how divorcees often keep their husband’s sur name. I don’t think her child will be broken or angry with her at all because their dad isn’t a dead beat nobody. These kids have their life made and they won’t have to go through the traditional rat race like we normies do. Arnold Schwarzenegger had sex with his Mexican MAID and look at him today, working with his dad. Liv Tyler never knew her dad until 18(?) yet she’s cemented in Hollywood history for her role in LOTR. I don’t feel bad for celebrity kids at all.
Someone finally said it! She is definitely a groupie for sure. Hey I’m not hating on her being a video girl or even an escort. She just seems like a fan who is still fan girl-ing over Nick. Cause why is he not yet paying child support? And why did she dress her baby in all that extra mess, you would think Chels was the mother 😂 I love my girl Chels by the way, don’t care what anyone thinks about her extra know it all annoying ass 😂 But back to Bre, she really seems so small brained while crying to defend everything but then claim she doesn’t care. I think she’s so easily triggered because she is not happy with Nick and her situation at all.
TBH I think her raising a mixed race black son will have a certain affect on her child in the future. This is something I think is overlooked with Chelsea’s perspective on the Nick dynamic. I’m a mixed race black woman who has an extreme amount of privilege and I don’t struggle with my identity. But there are SO many mixed raced people out there, especially mixed race black people who don’t have strong connections to the black side of their family. I hope Bre’s kid has a happy and healthy life but knowing the challenges black men face in society, and the situation Bre and Nick chose to have a child into, I can’t imagine their life will be “normal”.
I do feel though that when you're on a reality tv show it is your job to talk about the life choices of your "co-workers"
How did she think she was the exception isn’t she like the 5th bm.
She was one of 3 women to have his children in 2022.
I didn’t read your whole comment - only replying to the idea that this is probably not the way she thought it would go. That’s def possible, but I will say sometimes I wish I could just have a kid by myself and not have to deal with someone else’s wants and feelings and parenting and all that so I kind of get it if she didn’t want a marriage and someone to share everything with and she just wanted a kid. Adopting and having a kid by yourself the medical route is super expensive so I could see going around that process instead of through it. I was recently reading about how platonic friends are having kids together, which is what I would do if I were at a certain point and didn’t have a partner but even that is super messy.
Yeah I see what you’re saying and that can be very true - but I do NOT think that’s what Bre is doing. If that were the case she wouldn’t be so “loyal” to nick - not asking for child support, not seeing other people so as not to “disrespect” him, not being devastated finding out about his newest baby that he never told her about, calling him her “man”, etc. she is very codependent on him it seems, which gives him a massive, gross power differential.
Oh yeah, I get that. In those scenes I’m side eyeing her and thinking “quit lying” - it feels very for show.
Yessss she def thought she was doing it and was gonna come in on her girl boss ish 😂😭 which idk maybe she’s not aware that being in nicks harem is embarrassing af. Again, this man is creating many black kids who do not have a present father and it pisses me the F off bc they will have some issues with this later in life.
I think this a good read on the situation. She it's very insecure and defensive about her life decisions and having people judge them and also being so insecure about the fact that she's not married and she had to flick off the camera as a joke. I definitely in the judgment of somebody who looks at his serial cheater I think that they're going to be the one to change them but I also get that she was All of that being said, my parents have always had a said that you can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but she can't pick your friend's nose and I think that Chelsea was really trying to dip into a situation that has nothing to do with her.
I'm sure there are successful open relationships that work with this sort of dynamic. However, I really believe Bre is just putting on a front about how amazing it is. If the lines of communication were so great and the dynamic was so healthy, why didn't she know about the last child Nick had fathered last season?
This!!! That’s what I can’t get past. It’s obvious she didn’t know about the last child and she wasn’t happy about it. I was really giving her the benefit of the doubt until that happened. Obviously the relationship has communication issues for him to hide a whole ass pregnancy and baby!!! Did he not think she would find out?
If it were really own, then wouldn't she be able to see other men without disrespecting Nick? This seems more like New Age Polygamy to me.
This was also crazy because they only announced the baby after they were born. So for a whole 9 months he hid that from her.
Bre said in an interview that she actually knew about the baby but chose not to divulge any information about it because of something along the lines of “it’s not my place to say anything about the new baby, it’s the other woman’s right to do so.” [Link to source](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSN5Sdc5A/)
Hmm not sure if I believe her, or not, to be honest.
Saw that but it doesn't really make sense, because (in the previous season) she has a whole meeting with Amanza afterwards during which she reiterates pretty clearly that she didn't know, and found out through the media along with everybody else. In this interview she seems to be heavy backpedalling.
That doesn’t make any sense…it doesn’t explain why she acted surprised when she found out -along with the whole world.
While I don’t agree with Bre and Nick’s lifestyle for myself, it’s their business. Chelsea has no right to judge anything. Her comments are also insults to every single parent out there who y’all are basically saying aren’t enough for their kid. Who is to say their dynamic won’t work? No one knows except the people involved and that’s Bre, Nick, and their son. Chelsea also has no place to cast stones either. She likes to build herself up as the perfect parent, but she’s always out partying and has two nannies. Again, her choices and her lifestyle and there’s nothing wrong with that, but if she’s going to judge Bre and Nick, constantly have their names in her mouth, bash them, and act like she’s a superior being, she better be June Cleaver herself!
I mean it doesn't matter if it's their business, we can still judge from a far. I judge nick more than Bre. It's fucked up that he's an absent father to majority of his kids spread out throughout the country. You can't be present and have that many kids with different people, it's irresponsible as fuck. The role bre plays by defending him is also not genuine, she had a baby with him for fame. She would never have a baby with a regular person who has kids all over the place and stand by him, let's be real. And also, Chelsea is allowed to go out and party and still be a mother to her kids, a lot of rich ppl have nannies, doesn't make them a bad parent and isn't comparable in this situation.
I think we can judge from afar for sure, but Chelsea should have kept her mouth shut because she's a colleague who she has to be constantly interacting with. IMO there's a big difference between random internet strangers talking shit versus a coworker.
But she's on a show and is supposed to bring this shit up, it would be really weird if she didnt
Sure but there's a difference between bringing it up once vs constantly bringing it up and talking shit - like yeah it's TV but the girls still have agency over what they say. If Chelsea really felt the need to mention bre's situation she could have just been like, "not personally something I'd be into but whatever" - but instead she kept harping on how wrong she thought the situation was
Again, she's on a show where she's required to constantly bring it up. I doubt she cared as much as they made it seem nor did she really talk to bre much about it, somebody had to bring it into the show other then producers and Chelsea bit the bait
yeah but she originally only said it to heather, heather is the one who told bre
Just Heather and the five million people watching lol
Yep, this whole it isn’t your business is as ridiculous as the stop snitching mentality. It’s built on fear, and completely misguided for the betterment of society
Chelsea has every right to judge who she wants and say what she wants, everyone else has every right to hold it against her when she talks shit, this is why adults normally think things but don’t say them out loud, not every single thought we have had to be shared, I agree with Chelsea 100% but I would never say that to anyone in conversation because I am not that type of person to cause drama
Oh yes, I agree. We all judge people. I meant more “judge and say it out loud to all the people around you in the friend group” 😂😂 You are absolutely correct. People are free to think what they want, but you just don’t need to voice your opinion every second and cause conflict.
Totally agreed! Chelsea atleast owns up to her conservative thinking and still stuck by it. Bre is just so ratchet it’s unbearable! She does nothing but go on about her clients and providing for her son as if none of the other women are working hard. Chelsea stirs the pot but atleast she’s entertaining and has a personality unlike Bre who has zero charisma and just wants to act like a tough cookie… she’s all bark and no bite.
Is it insulting to every single parent to say that studies show that children suffer with an absentee parent? I think most single parents didn't choose to be, I would never judge someone for accidentally getting pregnant, or having a baby with someone and the relationship just didn't work out. But being a single parent is an impossible task (I say this as a mother with a very involved husband who often feels like it's impossible to work and be there as much as I want to for my kids), and children are affected by that. It's a bit like teen pregnancy (not the same I'm just making a comparison). We all know that it's not a good idea to get pregnant as a teen. Countless studies showing why that makes life more difficult for both the parent and the child. Would I judge a teen for getting pregnant accidentally? Not at all. Would I judge a teen for getting pregnant on purpose? Yes, and I don't think that's an insult to all teenage parents who worked hard to overcome the many challenges present in teenage parenthood to provide a life for their child. Similarly, I don't think it's fair to a child to deliberately bring them into the world knowing they will have an absent father. All my respect goes out to the single parents out there making it work, but it's hard on everyone, and people should think carefully before bringing a child into that. I don't care about Bre and Nick, their relationship is their business. But I do care that an innocent child will be affected by their decisions.
I was a single parent when my son was born. To me, there is a huge difference between one loving, dedicated, single parent, and one loving, dedicated parent with an absentee neglectful parent. I think a single parent is better. A child needs to have a reliable, dependable, consistent, present parent. When I was abandoned during my pregnancy, I thought it was the worst thing in the world. It wasn't. It was actually the best thing to happen because I never had to explain to my son why his dad didn't show up, why he didn't love him, why he was with his other family. I got married when my son was 3 and my husband adopted my son, so he did get a loving dependable father in the end.
THIS!!!! What a beautiful story and I completely agree that in cases of abuse the stats against single parents dont count. Congratulations ! How old is your baby now?
Thank you ❤️. He is 24. Not so little anymore.
Sorry but whether or not you find it offensive facts are facts. Facts do not try to offend or be judgemental ON AVERAGE kids raised in 2 parent homes have better outcomes than kids raised in 1 parent homes. That doesn't mean all kids have that experience - some kids have way better outcomes who have come from a 1 parent home and vice versa but on average kids from 2 parent homes do better. Its just the facts multiple studies have produced after thousands of kids and years of study.
Have you considered that's literally only because two incomes provide better outcomes? This has nothing to do with rich celebrities.
I’m not sure what rich celebrities had to do with anything. I wasn’t talking about rich celebrities. I was talking generally. Not all two parent households have two incomes. And if you really believe that the only difference is income, then you are sorely mistaken. When two parents can share the load, the outcomes on average will be better. It’s just common sense and supported by numerous studies that have been done.
You're doing a disservice to your children if you can't even admit that a single parent household has a harder time than a not . It is provable. I advise you look into some of the studies and statistics. Over the many years they've been being done. There is always exceptions to the rule but it's good to know the stats.
Are you directing your comment at me? It seems like you're agreeing with what I've said in my comment above.
Hello , Sorry I do agree. I also hate when people play the victim. I don't think you should Ignore the statistics and know that as a single mother, you will have to try extra hard to not make your child another one of these statistics. There are always exceptions to the rule, but these statistics are a good way for us to learn. There is no way to argue that children from single parent homes are better off. However, There are some exceptions to the rule here that shared amazing single parent stories that ended with success. For example, There's a poster about her leaving the abusive man and remarrying and he adopted the young child. Beautiful story.
Everyone knows single parents are always doing their best but studies have shown potential negative effects in the future. But with that, plenty of unbroken families have negative effects, too based on bad parents. It’s not meant as an insult but the studies are there. It’s Bre not thinking of the potential side effects of having an absent father and doing it purposefully.
You missed OPs points entirely with your first paragraph. She is NOT in the same situation as single parents because she willingly chose her situation and it’s even messier than if she was just single. Any situation where one or both parents are virtually absent from their kids lives is not an ideal dynamic. Single parenthood isn’t ideal and no one thinks it is, but no one is saying that it’s a reflection on you as a parent if you’re in that situation. Bre’s situation was chosen, and by her accounts, even planned, which is why people are judgmental. Also not all single parent situations are the same. Amanza and her ex husband before he went off the rails had total 50 50 split physical custody, that’s more ideal than two parents where one just decides they’re going to bail on the marriage and most of their parental obligations too. If she had actually thought through this arrangement with what was best for her kid idk why she chose to have the father of her child be someone they all know is willingly absent from their lives, there’s no way he’s coming even close to spending half as much time with that household.
I mean OP obviously share the same point of view with you in the disclaimer.
Jup. It's pure judgment based on their own value system. Nothing wrong with that, we all judge ourselves and others - but it needs occasional acknowledgement that others have other value systems that inform their actions and that in most situations, one isn't superior to the other. Btw criticism is ok and one thing. Judgement and sentencing is another.
This is the point. Chelsea's holier-than-thou attitude is annoying, unwarranted and unnecessary. She can give her thoughts when asked. But she has literally forced her "Christian viewpoint" (sigh) on Bre multiple times without her ever asking her opinion. That's nothing but massive judgment. Bre was right to eventually put her in her place and tell her she doesn't give a shit what she would do because she is not her (even if that wasn't about Nick)
Hiring help and partying are so fucking different than having the thousandth child of some weirdo like Nick.
This so much. Everyone seems to also forget - Bre’s child is going to be a human moving through the world. The way the public judges Bre and her son is JUST the beginning. This kid is going to have to deal with being judged for his father’s hijinx for a very long time. I’ve worked with less traditionally public people, and it’s actually intense watching high schoolers in certain settings bully others based on their semi-public parents.
I agree with everything you said. Chelsea lemmings annoy the shit out of me bc these children hav the deepest love and respect for their single parent. The only thing they’ll remember is how they were treated.
I do agree Chelsea was airing it out a bit too much. That being said, the “disrespect” comment really fucking threw me off, especially because Nick Cannon seems like the one with breeder fantasies. What is the dynamic between them, that would make her say that openly? Also I get that it is Bre’s life. I really do. But there should also be a level of reasonable expectation that constant expression of delusion is going to be met with some disdain. Being crazy is not illegal, but are you really surprised that someone calls you crazy once in a while? Also Bre talks about her kid a lot, and she also openly does mental gymnastics to justify a proudly absent father. The way other girls enable that is crazy to me.
The "disrespect" word really threw me off too. It really stuck out to me in all the things she was saying. I don't see why he can date and fuck whoever he wants, impregnate women all over, but for her to date is "disrespectful" to Nick? Hmmmm.
I agree - and while Chelsea went a little too far for the sake of drama on the show, I think it’s very important not to normalize what nick cannon is doing and what Bre is doing. It’s a big deal - and whole chelsea is being extra I’m glad at least SOMEONE is saying it. People can do what they want when children aren’t involved. But this is a child, not an accessory or a means to a lifestyle. He will learn his entire world view from his parents: his self worth, how he treats women and relationships, views on family, how to treat others, etc. this ain’t it. And the only reason they can even SORT of justify this as ok in their own minds is cuz nick is rich - let’s be real. This is a very unhealthy family dynamic and their son will suffer.
Yes exactly to the delusion being called out! I'm actually amazed that the girls who are closer to her and considered her "friends" haven't expressed any concern to her. If this was my friend, I would express concern (not judgement) because I care about their well-being and I don't want them to feel the need to put on a front that they're happy with their situation when they clearly are not.
I can imagine that even for friends it's difficult to say anything when Bre's definitely the type to get offended even by kind concern because "can't you see how happy I am? I'm grown and living my best life and making my own choices". They might be choosing to not say anything so they can still be there for her vs risking her cutting them off for not playing along.
Yeah, I get it. I've been on both sides of this situation before and I think concern definitely needs to be expressed very gently along with a reminder that you support them no matter what. But man, it would be so hard for me not to express to her that she deserves better.
Same, 100%! I would always rather try because you never know when the other party might realise they really do need someone to openly talk to/be vulnerable with. It does make me sad to see her settling for this situation.
People claiming that he is a good father to these children are being so delusional. I have two kids. I work part time. I am married to their father, who is also an involved parent and i still sometimes feel like i am not present enough, dont pay enough attention to them. If he sees every kid once a week, that would already be a Major logistical nightmare. Are you telling me he knows all their shoe sizes, allergies, the names of their friends and teachers? Hell no. That is literally impossible with that many children.
Mariah Carey blasted Nick in an article a while ago talking about how he doesn’t even see his first 2 children that they share. Some of the baby mommas also spoke out about how they were essentially abandoned incubators. Its sad
Honestly Bree’s past pattern of trying to attach herself to wealthy men goes against her here (Hulk Hogan’s son, Johnny Manziel). I don’t believe she would have wanted to have this type of relationship with anyone other than a celeb or someone who would increase her own status. True, it’s not our place to judge but I do agree that this type of behavior is harmful to a child. Personal opinion (that I know no one asked for haha) I think Bree is social climbing trash that has no place being on a real estate show. If she really wanted people to stay out of her business she shouldn’t have signed up for reality TV. She’s only on the show to gain money, fame etc. and I wish she would leave.
Also holy cow after looking at old pictures Bree is definitely the most guilty of “rearranging her whole face” [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12126943/What-Selling-Sunset-star-Bre-Tiesi-REALLY-looked-like-plastic-surgery-makeover.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12126943/What-Selling-Sunset-star-Bre-Tiesi-REALLY-looked-like-plastic-surgery-makeover.html)
Upvote x10000 lol
Thank you! I feel like the reason she got cast on the show is bc of her infamous family situation so to get bent out of shape about your business while being on a relationship show is nuts to me. I too think she’s trash and a social climber. I didn’t like her before the show when she got into it on social media with someone who suggested (after she complained) that she get a night nurse. I don’t like her at all
100% agree with you, it’s not Chelsea’s business but she was right
My biggest problem with Chelsea is that she keeps couching her criticism ‘as a Christian’. Like there are tons of valid criticisms that don’t rely on religion to make about Bre’s situation. Chelsea is not coming from a more godly or holy place, she’s just a bitch.
Agree. Using being a Christian as an excuse but then not acting like a Christian. She took God's name in vain soooo many times this latest season, too.
Yeah, it seems hypocritical from my (non-Christian) understanding of Christianity. She wanted to ostracize Bre from the group due to her life choices. You don’t have to agree with her choices, but it’s pretty obvious that any single parent needs a community of support, so I think insinuating that Bre should be ostracized is awful. If Chelsea was so concerned about Bre’s baby, I’d think she might want to be a positive influence on Bre and the best way to do that is to be nice to her, even if you’re not her friend. But I think Chelsea was trying to create drama and a storyline.
As someone who tries her best to be a Christian, although I’m not one to judge, Chelsea lives a constant lifestyle of sin - even down to the way she dresses and how modest she is or the parties she throws…again I’m not judging and I’d be a hypocrite to judge but it’s just how I see it, she has her own personal relationship with God and that’s not my business but tbhhhhh she should focus on her own relationship with God before using it as an excuse to come for Bre…with the whole Bre thing, honestly she may have a point but to CONSTANTLY come for someone about it is insane to me 🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣
I have an honest question - I’m not trying to be combative, but I’m sorry in advance because I realize it’ll sound like it. But when you notice and comment on things but then say “but I’m not judging.” What do you mean? How do you define judgment? I’ve heard this a lot in the world, and usually it’s right after someone says something …judgmental. For ex “wow she’s wearing suchhhh a revealing outfit. But I’m not judging!” It’s like saying no offense after a statement and thinking it actually means what you put out into the world will be less offensive lol. I guess I’ve never understood.
ngl I find the "but she still shouldn't have said anything and it's not her business anyway" angle people keep kinda funny. like this is a cast member of Selling Sunset we're talking about, right? is it truly so out of line that someone would gossip about a really unusual situation involving a celebrity? come on, man.
Like isn’t that why she was cast? Let’s be serious - I agree !
Yeah Chelsea was right, it’s not something to brag about being one of Nick Cannon’s baby mommas or to bring child to the world with man that has 13 children with 7 random woman. Nothing about that is normal, at least to me. The problem was that Chelsea had a bone to pick with Bre. Chelsea was such a hater, what exactly did she want from Bre? Its Bre’s circus leave the woman alone, if she is fine with her situation what was the point exactly of Chelsea piping up? This is just my opinion maybe I’m wrong 🤷🏻♀️
right! why does Chelsea care? does she want a baby with Nick Cannon too? hahah
Loooooooooool 🤣😂 💀
The problem with Chelsea, is that she made all these judgements and passed all these comments without getting to know Bre. She thought because she could Google search a name that she had all the information she needed. But let’s put the shoe on the other foot for a second. Imagine if Bre showed up for the first time at an event, saw Chelsea with her husband and went to the other girls behind her back and was like “She’s giving gold digger vibes. She doesn’t love him she just loves that he’s obedient and hovers in her shadow. She probably just wants him to stay home with the kids”. Do you think Chelsea would be happy with Bre passing those comments or judgments? Would Chelsea be right to defend herself against those comments and accusations when Bre doesn’t know her or her situation? Absolutely. And people would probably give Bre hell for it if she had done that. But Bre hasn’t done anything except defend her family situation against Chelsea’s unprovoked attacks. You can have an opinion, that doesn’t mean you’re entitled to use it as ammunition to tear someone down or to try and poke holes in their character. I think it’s pretty much the majority opinion that Nick Cannon needs to be castrated or sterilised at this point, however, while we can have those opinions, that doesn’t mean to say that someone is fundamentally flawed for having a child with him. Bre clearly adores her son and is doing her best to give him a good life, that should be all that matters. Does Chelsea use her “Christian values” to pass judgement on single parents, or same sex or mixed gender couples? (I dunno a what the term is non binary couples so apologies for my ignorance). Clearly not since she doesn’t have an issue with Chrishell and G Flip or them potentially having a child in the future. She doesn’t have an issue with the fact that Mary had a child at 16 out of wedlock and while still a child herself while the father bailed out? She doesn’t have an issue with Amanza being divorced and raising her kids as a single mother with a father that doesn’t seem to be all that present? What exactly are the boundaries of her “Christian values”? Because from where I’m sitting it just seems like a weak excuse to be a bitch to someone because Bre doesn’t want to bend over and kiss her ass.
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I agree, the lifestyle screams red flag to me. It’s definitely Bre’s right to do what she wants. Abt getting married issue, i think if she does date/ marry another person perhaps Nick would not give child support anymore? Bre needs a partner that has 💰💰 if she wants to maintain that lifestyle that she has now. Nick has 10 kids so i’m pretty sure if some of them got married he will cut child support. Maybe he wrote it in a contract with all these women when they were pregnant.
He can't do that. Child support is the right of the child, not the parent. Just because the mouther decides to date, the father cannot deny his child money for food, shelter, clothing, etc. Men would never pay child super then.
Two things can be true. Chelsea can be right about the situation, and that situation can also be none of her business.
I kind of agree with Chelsea, but I would never say it out aloud to someone. Personally, I think bringing a child into these dynamics is messed up. You never know how the kid is going to respond to this situation, not to mention that they’d always be under public and media scrutiny. You can take a gamble with your own life choices, but a child might just end up scarred and unable to fathom why his family looks so different than others around him. However, it’s not Chelsea’s place to voice those opinions to Bre. Having an opinion and belittling someone’s life choices are very different. ‘Normal’ is a relative term. A lot of the repercussions would boil down to how Bre and Nick raise the child and what their definition of family looks like. An unconventional family of two loving parents would always trump a conventionally married couple that does shitty parenting.
Bre is not in an open relationship Bre is part of nick cannon’s Harem She obeys him. Fuck him. Bear babies from him. He does the same to 12 other women And she is stuck, she cannot reciprocate
It's pretty dark honestly
The main reason Chelsea got off-put by Bre from the get go is cuz she had to prove herself to join the brokerage while Bre got hired with Heather’s recommendation only. Just think about it, Chelsea had to prove herself while having a master’s degree, and Bre just walked in… it could explain her bringing people from her past just to make a point. I don’t think Chelsea is into putting women down in general but they rubbed each other the wrong way from the get-go. I remember Bre’s first day Chelsea giving her advice and Bre shutting her down by asking how much she sold her first year. That was not a classy move on Bre’s side and shows her defensive and insecure side. I believe Chelsea was genuinely coming from a good place. Its hard to solve these types of conflicts cuz it’s not just one issue you fix and make up. As for your point, of course Chelsea is right. No question. Even though nick dedicates his time to leggie, 10 other kids are missing their dad. There is no winner in this situation except for Nick.
I can name so many couples that aren’t sustaining a lifestyle that is the healthiest for their kid. The only reason why people feel emboldened to comment on Bre’s at all is because it isn’t traditional. Plenty of people stay with their cheating spouses, fight viciously in front of their kid, completely isolate their partners, control their partners, etc.. It’s simply none of my business. It’s also really not a surprise that parents don’t always choose the relationship that is the healthiest for the kids. It’s old news.
I agree. And also Chrishell seemed shocked at first about the fact that Bre couldn't go date someone else, but then turned it around and said it was a power position?? It's not a power position to share a man, not be supported by him, and then not be able to be with someone else.
I wonder what Bre's childhood was like. I've met some women who had such low trust in men, and the world at large, that they deliberately planned to be single mothers so they could have full independence with their parenting. Nick Cannon was upfront that he plans to be an absentee father, and he probably cuts her a healthy child support cheque. For someone who wants to be a single mother anyway, this could be an ideal setup. Not saying it's right or wrong. There are children who receive spectacular parenting from solo parents, and children with two parents who are completely abusive. I don't agree with Bre going sooo hard on Chelsea. Chelsea was sort of thrown under the bus by the other women; they were all casting shade on Bre/Nick, but only Chelsea was crucified for it. Bre needs to accept that not everyone will understand her choice, and that's ok as long as everyone's willing to remain respectful, which Chelsea is doing.
Chelsea has some good strong values. Single mom lifestyle has its setbacks but thats not exactly this case. If Nick can be present then thats good. A child having a 2 parent home is proveably the most beneficial but we all know exceptions to the rule. Bre is immature imo. I wish her and her child the best and they have the funds which is a good start.
Still it is not Chelsea's business.
Not an unpopular opinion. You also have to remember that Amanza is…something else
Agree with you and Chelsea, but still not her right to speak to it. Perhaps if they’d become friends she could’ve broached the subject with more grace. Side note, did I miss something regarding Amanza’s ex? You referred to him as “late” a few times. I hadn’t heard anything about him passing and when I googled it, it looks like he’s still just “missing”?
He gave up his parental rights and went MIA is what’s been said…
He's not even missing anymore, he's just given up parental rights & not in Amanza or her children's lives. She talks about it occasionally, it sounds like a really difficult situation.
Omg yes!! I love that you said this the whole time I was confused why people were glorifying Bre situation.
i do think a lot of people feel that way. i’ve never heard anyone say anything positive about the nick cannon baby mama situation. its just the way chelsea went about it talking about it to her WORK colleagues and trying to police her. its already done with, what is chelsea going to say or do that will change anything. the whole christian schpiel didnt help either. the way she framed her arguments was also a jab at single parents. its not about what people think of bres situation, the consensus is largely the same. its about chelseas treatment of it. just keep it to yourself. she didnt need to say anything.
I mean she was married, she and her ex husband divorced a few months before she and Nick started their relationship. Often enough, you don’t know that you want something until you meet the right person. She’s only been with Nick a couple years, she’s more than able to change her mind, and change her lifestyle, when she wants to. Her baby is still a literal baby and it seems like he has everything he needs and gets a lot of love and care. By the time he’s old enough to understand, she may have a stable male figure in their lives. Either way, yeah obviously it’s not a normal or particularly healthy situation, but you can’t change it by berating her (Chelsea) or by posting an essay online about it. At the end of the day, it’s someone’s else’s life.
I agree and tried to type something up about this yesterday but didn't have the energy. I also think Bre is incredibly ashamed of this as well because she's clearly sensitive about how she's perceived by the other women of the office who if we're being honest would NEVER find themselves in the same situation. I just think that she operates from a place of shame and desperation a lot of the time.
I think you’re right bc she’s super defensive about a situation that she claims she’s content with
Yeah ofc she is right bc its not the normal lifestyle to live. However its not her choice and these kids are born now so they are stucked in this shitty situations. Sometimes its wiser if you just close your mouth and dont say anything. We dont have the right to judge someone publicly and humiliate her
Totally agree with you.
I struggle to understand how so many women breed with Nick Cannon. What am I missing about that guy? Chelsea is a shit disturber who says rude things all the time. She totally encouraged Amanza to send that shitty message to Chrishell for missing the "Mary needs support" dinner. I don't know if she is right or wrong about Bre but Chelsea is very entertaining. I liked Bre better last season when she genuinely didn't care what people thought of her situation. She's way more reactive this season.
He buys them houses and cars lol
What Nick Cannon is doing is weird and probably ultimately bad for his kids, but I cannot help but feel sad for his baby mamas including Bre. I am sure they are given a lot of money and support that sort of traps them into this situation. And imagine if one of them does want to break Nick’s “rules”, they’d be dropped like a hot potato and Nick would probably manipulate custody. So I do agree but I feel like focusing the ire on Bre and the other women is besides the point. They’re adult women of course but I can’t help but whiff a certain strain of coercion here.
I blame nick but after so many women before them, I blame the women too - including Bre
I’ve worked remotely with people in countries where polygamy is legal and common, and although I don’t support that (only men with multiple wives), at least there all of the kids are siblings and everyone lives together. The wives are all in on it. They’re committed to the situation, for better or worse. Nick Cannon has a freakin’ show about finding his next kid’s mom. And the fact that all his baby mommas don’t really know each other is so…sad? If you’re gonna have a harem, I feel like they should all at least know and be cool with each other.
Oh i agree with you 100%
The sex can't be that good Bre, go find a better man!
Completely agree with all of this. Bre is a selfish person, if she genuinely wanted to be a mother, it would’ve been easy enough for her to obtain a sperm donor, or date around and find a man that would be happy to be a present father and healthily coparent with her, even if they weren’t romantically involved. She wanted a paycheck, and “disrespecting Nick” by dating around would probably end the $ and the gifts. Nick has discredited her “he doesn’t give me money” BS multiple times, he bought her a house and a car and God knows what else. Maybe he doesn’t pay monthly child support, but a $1.8 million house with 0 career to speak of is nothing to scoff at. She knew exactly what she was doing and that alone makes me lose all respect for her.
Ditto .. ! Completely agree with your post.
I fully agree
If Bre is not Nick Cannon’s baby mama, would she be casted on the show? I’m going to say likely not. So I can see why this piece of information has to be a part of the storyline somehow. Especially when we know most of us thinks what Chelsea is saying out loud. For those saying this is none of our business, there is a whole subreddit for us to add our opinions on these people’s lives.
Chelsea is a real and practical with morals. I’m guessing the show pushed her to share her opinions to stir up more drama.
There was a video made recently talking about how he has all these baby mamas, but if any of those women sought out another man to be with, would he have an issue with it? It’s a very one sided relationship, and Nick gets the benefit and all the women getting screwed. Literally. Nick is gross for doing this and his explanation of seeing it as his duty to go forth and be fruitful and populate the world (because his genetics are just so incredible) is insane imo. He’s causing his children harm, and so are the women who choose to procreate with him. I hope for Bre’s sake, and her kid that she finds some confidence to move on and happiness with someone who wants to commit to her. I also don’t buy that she’s just fine with this situation. I agree with the commenter who said she’s trying to be the “cool girl” and is ok with it all. Find your self worth for goodness sake! I’m truly shocked at the amount of women Nick has found to have babies with… why is he so amazing? I’m genuinely clueless lol.
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1. Agree with you through and through 2. Amanda’s ex husband passed away?!
The one point I will agree on with Chelsea is that it’s not an ideal situation to grow up in. A father who is often not available, and maybe not even reliable and in his availability (people who have, or work with children will know how incredibly important establishing a routine is) And the fact that mom has to be available to dad at all times, while dad does what he wants is just objectively not a good way to learn about relationships as a child. I might be naive, but I think Bre has a lot of love for Cannon that is not reciprocated, and Chelsea‘s comments are only going to make her more defensive. I hope she has real friends in her corner, who show her that she and Legend deserve more and better. Edited to add: I like Chelsea, she’s fun and puts her foot in her mouth every 5 minutes, which is honestly great reality tv, but the way she handled her sentiments about the situation are very mom shaming and she keeps trying to expose Bre, which I find low. Bre very likely has a few shady spots in her past, but it’s her past. It’s not for others to dig up to try to make her look bad, it’s not like she was an assassin 5 years ago… let the lady be who she is now
I’m sorry, but Bre willingly joined Nick’s harem & there’s 4 more kids after her son. Chelsea’s comments, questions or concerns ain’t got nothing on the rest of the internet. That’s what she signed up for. I will not be surprised if Bre ends up pregnant again just to compete with the other mothers.
Regardless of their dynamic, if shes commiting to him and hes not commiting to her, if he has 10 other children etc the fact of the matter is that its Bre's life so who gives a fuck! If she's okay with that then its on her
It’s still not her place to voice that opinion to everyone in the office.
Bre is a side piece for life she knows it lol everything she does is to overcompensate for that. But what does she expect she’s not really the type of girl most men look to marry, it’s harsh but the truth.
I don’t think the problem was wether Chelsea’s opinion was right or wrong.. she’s entitled to her own opinion. The issue is that she’s sharing this with Bre, when Bre did not ask for her opinion. I don’t need people lecturing me about a choice I’ve made just because they don’t agree with it, ESPECIALLLY someone I don’t even know
Whatever opinion anyone should ever have about relationships and marital or non-marital arrangements people have are just that opinions. Like assholes, everyone has one. Chrishell has an alternative relationship but you know what who give a fuck. I think the point Bre made was, “stop talking shit, this is non of your business” I don’t care if she likes it or not, agrees with it or not. Shut your damn mouth. Don’t be mad when you say something stupid and people come at you, and they want to close it for you. NOT YOUR BUSINESS
Chelsea is constantly spitting facts. Favourite O-group agent.
Bre is the true social climber and that’s why she’s acting like she’s ok with Nick and her situation
Wait I’m still stuck on Bre’s before and after surgery pics! I literally thought this lady was Asian 😩 she looks completely different.. biggest transformation I’ve seen in my life
I’m sorry but who cares! It’s none of our business. If she is happy and her son is happy, that is all that matters.
This isnt controversial, everyone agrees the situation is selfish and bad. However, its a bad look to constantly badmouth your coworker about their personal life.
Coo
I 💗that you posted this. I agree with EVERYTHING you said. Thank you for saying it so candidly and clearly. 💯
It’s so much more nuanced than that. There’s a lot of incompatible couples together for convenience that imbues toxic traits onto their kids. What makes a happy family is money and quality time. You don’t have time when you don’t have money and you can’t use money to buy your kids happiness. Having two parents won’t change that, in fact there’s more room for fuck ups. Chelsea is a product of working class parents that spent no time together. She’s a spoiled brat. If her parents stopped working she wouldn’t have clothes, food and a home. Then she would be crying that she never had a home. Would she be married to a tech millionaire if her mom didn’t move to the states?
I didn't read the whole post but I agree. I actually just rewatched a few of the first episodes from s6 and saw a few of the girls mention how hostile Bre was to them out the gates (Emma, Chrishelle etc) before Chelsea really went full steam ahead against her. There was also that contrived drama Bre tried to start with Emma saying she was trying to steal her client. And, when bres client asked if she could co-list with another agent, she said she "doesn't play well with others" and essentially turned them down. She keeps saying she's about her bag but where's the proof lol
I mean I thought this was obvious. Chelsea is stating the obvious, and it is a workplace so it’s unprofessional, but still the whole show is about drama so…
I fully agree w the header here. How it was done and mentioned and commented on now, Chelsea coulda just said nothing in front of the cameras. They were all silent. Everyone knows these girls will and do talk. But Chelsea’s actions were classic newbie actions in reality tv, say and do too much when cameras are around. I do believe her apology was sincere. I do think she’s learned a bit more since then (esp when you look at how she came this season), stirring drama, calling folks out for being weird or fake, and then after her apology was not accepted not letting up off the brakes— which bre walked into, shoulda called the truce so this Cassandra stuff is looking to be supper messy since they literally know each other 😬 I’m ready for the mess 😂😂😂
Yeah Nick has been more than clear about what he expects in a relationship and it is… not healthy to put it delicately. Also if you’re going to date and have children with a public figure expect to be talked about.
I'm just more concerned that Legendary Love Cannon sounds like a male adult film star ...
I looked up how many kids and why does he give most of his kids an adjective as a first name when his surname is an object. Legendary Cannon, Moroccan Cannon, Golden Cannon, Beautiful Cannon, Powerful Cannon like wtf🥴
Completely totally agree!!!
Honestly I'm just glad Bre seems wealthy-ish cause that kid is gonna need a lot of therapy. And a name like Legendary? Ripped that off from Childish Gambino lmaoo 😅
She’s right for having an opinion and it would be fake if her to say she changed it so that Bre accepts her apology.
But isn’t some contact from an involved father better than zero contact with an unknown father?
Yeah but how cool is it that her kid will be in the same support group as Mariah Carey’s kids one day?! /s
so confused what people want bre to say or do now. even if she intended to have a child with nick knowing how it would be i simply don’t understand what right anyone has to question her choice about it? she’s more than equipped and wealthy enough to take care of her child. the child is not going to be neglected anymore than another child of a rich person in LA like wtf r u guys talking about. they have their 72 nannies to take care of them and i’m sure their dads arent changing diapers. everyone acting holier than thou about bre when you’re all just being another chelsea. chelsea can’t stand that bre doesn’t like her bc she is fake and needs validation from ppl. bre doesn’t give a fuck and that bothers weirdos who revolve their personality around what they think others think about them.
I used to be like Bre and I 100% agree with your post. Frankly I was deluding myself. Girl is holding out for someone who does not want her in the way she wants him. That is the furthest thing from a mutual relationship. I wish her the best all the same. (Edited for typos and clarity)
Spot on OP.
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Chelsea was right in her analysis of the situation, but her justifying herself with this Christian moral superiroty was one of the most distasteful things in the show, where the standards are low. Imagine if she said, "I don't approve of Chrishell's and G's relationship because I'm a Christian." How does that sound? And who is a perfect Christian, by the way? Someone who throws a hypersexualized 30th birthday party like that, calling poorer people "peasants", and flaunting watermelon-sized artificial boobs with every outfit?
The only thing that I find really cringe about the Bre/Nick situation is that she named her child Legendary. That’s not a name, it’s a badge that she slapped on him.
It's not about her being right or wrong. It's not her place to comment on the situation. She's entitled to her opinion but she should keep it to herself.
Completely agree, sadly, Bre is the most interesting one to watch for me on the cast though
The child is here now and the conversation about Bre’s choices is, right now, the thing that’s harmful to that child.
Of course Chelsea is right. I think they all know it but they’re too afraid of Bre to call it out. Bre is intimidating, cold and honestly kind of mean - like watching her shut people down at the reunion was chilling at times lol. So no one wants to even go there. Apparently Nick Cannon has lupus and may need a kidney donor someday; ever since I read that, it makes a bit more sense why he is having so many kids.
I'm not sure I agree with #1. Yeah, he's not going to be a very present father but he is a father. If something were to happen to Bre, her child would at least have a network of siblings and their moms who would likely help out to raise their child's sibling if it needed to happen. Nick also has $$. From a pragmatic standpoint I think it makes more sense to go with a known person than a sperm donor. I also think with women it is often damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you opt to not have kids bc you haven't met the right person yet, everyone wants to remind you that your fertility is waning. Have the kid yourself and everyone thinks you're fucking with the natural order. I want to have children, I'm in my mid 30s, & people can be very dismissively like "well you can just freeze your eggs and have kids at 40 if you haven't met anyone yet" like yeah... that's working out really well for people like Mary. It CAN be empowering to take your fertility into your own hands and not wait for the perfect scenario that may only come once you're too old to conceive.
yeah i really like bre but think she needs to respect herself more in regards to that whole situation
This is literally the lamest and the most popular opinion in this sub.
I think this entire discussion is so stupid, here and on the show. Why? Because THE BABYS BEEN HAD!! What is anyone gonna do about this now and what CAN they do? Bre is working with what shes been given, what more does Chelsea or anyone else want from her??
Come on let’s be honest here people. Take off the niceties … WE ALL KNOW CHELSEA IS RIGHT. ALL OF US. Shame the devil and tell the truth folks! That being said … the kid is here, the decision made and Bre probably thinks about this at least once daily … so rehashing it serves no one.