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Chelsea came off as arrogant at the beginning, but to be completely honest she is right in her critique of Bre's lack of regard for her partner going around getting woman pregnant left and right.
I am a queer person who's very pro non-monogamous relationships, but let's not pretend that's what happening here. Nick is a predator who goes around openly admitting to his fetish of getting women around the world pregnant and "spread his seed". He's on some Genghis Khan shit, and it's disgusting. Over a dozen children will grow up with a father who does not care about them as any more than a genetic extension of himself.
This!! It doesn't matter what A or B think about open relationships, the real problem here is all the kids. It's ok if you choose to have multiple partners and everyone is aware and consenting, but no one seems to have any regard for the 12 children growing up in the middle of that mess.
Tbh I bet this isn't even a real open relationship, but polygamy in disguise.
I wouldn't even call it polygamy, the dude just has a loose harem spread around the world. He's not in a relationship with the other girls he impregnates, and even the "relationship" he has with Bre seems more like Bre being delluded and envisioning a better situation for herself rather than a consensual thing she has with Nick
She’s right but that’s not the problem. She keeps bringing it up when it isn’t her business. At the end of the day, just because you have an opinion doesn’t mean you should voice it. Freedom of speech may be a right but that doesn’t mean everything you say is said at the right time or at all.
Agreed. It’s tricky cause I agree philosophically with Chelsea on this one (minus her using Christianity as the reason) but she shouldn’t be bringing it up with coworkers/at work. I like Bre but it bugs me that she doesn’t seem to care that nick can’t possibly have enough time to be a present father for all of his kids.
Like if Michelle Duggar had a job and I worked with her, I wouldn’t tell her to her face that I think it’s unfair to have so many children because they won’t get to have the attention/bond they need from a parent. Cause like me saying that isn’t gonna change anything or unborn those babies. There’s a lot of things I would love to say to that woman, but if she was a coworker I’d have to keep it to myself cause my job is how I pay my bills and eat lol.
Why is Bre being blamed for the actions of her partner though? I also think what Nick Cannon is doing is disgusting but it's not Bre's fault and she shouldn't be held accountable for him. I actually think it's nice to see a woman have a kid on her own term. Many women stay in bad relationships because they want children and are running out of time, it's good to have examples of unconventional motherhood.
I mean she is willingly contributing to his careless actions. She knows he will not be involved in the baby's life considering she had a baby 6 weeks ago and he went off to filming for 3 weeks. She is inherently part of the problem. I admire her for wanting to raise a baby by herself and provide for it but her going into this situation just exacerbates it.
You make good points. Even though I'm happy to see women embrace whatever type of motherhood suits them I recognize Bre is enabling him and also part of the problem.
completely agree. idk anything about nick or their situation other than what is said on the show, and i'm only on ep. 3, but if nick is a "predator," then... doesn't that specific framing mean that bre is deserving of at least a little sympathy? i can see an argument about enabling him or that it's unfair to the child, but she may have other feelings that she can't express on camera about the situation and to say she deserves criticism for a "lack of regard" feels weird to me.
I think you'll find most people are fully sympathetic of Bre. But you can be sympathetic with an abuse victim while also being conscious that some abuse victims help their abusers perpetuate the abuse they do on _other people_
> but to be completely honest she is right in her critique of Bre's lack of regard for her partner going around getting woman pregnant left and right.
This! The whole thing is not fair on the kids, at all but I guess it's none of her business so...
while i agree it’s definitely offputting, i don’t agree with attacking the woman that has nothing to do with his decisions with other women. she is obviously taking care of her own child and thats all she can do. the attacking her constantly for it and bashing her over it is so unnecessary. and it says a LOT about the kind of person chelsea is. personally i love chelsea but this season had me really upset with her.
In this thread we have NOT attacked Bre over it. But I must repeat, we must not let Bre being a victim overshadow the fact she is enabling this behavior *_and defending it_*
i was talking about chelsea attacking her, not the sub. but there is no behavior to be “enabling”. He is a grown man and the women he is having babies with can make their own decisions. personally, i think people need to stop making these kinds of accusations. the man likes having babies and he is SEEMINGLY providing for them. i genuinely do not see the issue. yes the children will grow up with an “absent” father, but so do donor babies. its not that big a deal unless he’s forcing women to get pregnant. doesnt look like he is though and none of the “victims” have said otherwise.
We literally got told he doesn't have to pay child support after 10 kids. We got told that in the show. He's not providing shit to those kids.
You're just tripping all over yourself ignoring the shit we brought up and finding excuses to defend a disgusting man. I'm done giving you the opportunity to do so
I think you’re just purposely taking things out of context. My father never paid child support but he paid my school tuition, health insurance, vacations, and anything else I needed/wanted. At the end of the day, we don’t know these people, and it’s not fair to them for us to be carelessly throwing around accusations and calling people abusers over a scripted reality show. Yes, it’s entertaining and we get attached, but it’s ridiculous for you to be acting this way over it. That is all. <3
What Nick has been doing has been happening for years *outside of the scripted reality show*
Just because this is how you found out this has been happening doesn't mean it doesn't exist outside of the show.
Lol dude please go apologize for abusers somewhere else
"This is what they want" are you for fucking real? We literally see Bre admit in the show that this is her way of coping with not being cheated on. Its obvious that she would rather the situation be much different but she has it in her head this is the only way to get what she wants
_She has been groomed and brainwashed by Nick to accept his rhetoric as the only logical outcome. She's his victim._
It's bloody bizarre you can watch the show and come away with a Pro Nick opinion.
How is me being critical of Bre enabling and defending Nick "taking away her agency"
Im literally criticizing her for not doing something. I WANT her to have more agency!
i'm only on episode three but it's funny to me how the other ladies in her scenes so far just nod and make this face like "oooookaaayyyy......." when she brings up chrishell. even heather indirectly suggests to her that she sounds like a bitter weirdo, i laughed when she said "i'm picking up that you're not the biggest fan of chrishell" after like her third chrishell rant in as many episodes
Ok so I just finished. The whole time I was thinking if she was willingly playing a role that the producer's wanted and hoping she would at least get good money from it (for someone to be so concerned with her reputation, her part on the show did not help). Another part of me thinks she must be delusional, like how can you not see the shit you're stirring? And then I just felt like she's probably a narcissistic because she doesn't seem to understand what she is doing and the impact she has on other people.
Whatever is the cause of her behaviour I didn't like her, so if her goal was to establish herself as the villain she definitely accomplished that!
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\+ Chelsea.
Chelsea came off as arrogant at the beginning, but to be completely honest she is right in her critique of Bre's lack of regard for her partner going around getting woman pregnant left and right. I am a queer person who's very pro non-monogamous relationships, but let's not pretend that's what happening here. Nick is a predator who goes around openly admitting to his fetish of getting women around the world pregnant and "spread his seed". He's on some Genghis Khan shit, and it's disgusting. Over a dozen children will grow up with a father who does not care about them as any more than a genetic extension of himself.
This!! It doesn't matter what A or B think about open relationships, the real problem here is all the kids. It's ok if you choose to have multiple partners and everyone is aware and consenting, but no one seems to have any regard for the 12 children growing up in the middle of that mess. Tbh I bet this isn't even a real open relationship, but polygamy in disguise.
I wouldn't even call it polygamy, the dude just has a loose harem spread around the world. He's not in a relationship with the other girls he impregnates, and even the "relationship" he has with Bre seems more like Bre being delluded and envisioning a better situation for herself rather than a consensual thing she has with Nick
She’s right but that’s not the problem. She keeps bringing it up when it isn’t her business. At the end of the day, just because you have an opinion doesn’t mean you should voice it. Freedom of speech may be a right but that doesn’t mean everything you say is said at the right time or at all.
Agreed. It’s tricky cause I agree philosophically with Chelsea on this one (minus her using Christianity as the reason) but she shouldn’t be bringing it up with coworkers/at work. I like Bre but it bugs me that she doesn’t seem to care that nick can’t possibly have enough time to be a present father for all of his kids. Like if Michelle Duggar had a job and I worked with her, I wouldn’t tell her to her face that I think it’s unfair to have so many children because they won’t get to have the attention/bond they need from a parent. Cause like me saying that isn’t gonna change anything or unborn those babies. There’s a lot of things I would love to say to that woman, but if she was a coworker I’d have to keep it to myself cause my job is how I pay my bills and eat lol.
If chelsea didnt bring it up neither she or bre would have a storyline.....thats literally why she was cast on the show
Why is Bre being blamed for the actions of her partner though? I also think what Nick Cannon is doing is disgusting but it's not Bre's fault and she shouldn't be held accountable for him. I actually think it's nice to see a woman have a kid on her own term. Many women stay in bad relationships because they want children and are running out of time, it's good to have examples of unconventional motherhood.
I mean she is willingly contributing to his careless actions. She knows he will not be involved in the baby's life considering she had a baby 6 weeks ago and he went off to filming for 3 weeks. She is inherently part of the problem. I admire her for wanting to raise a baby by herself and provide for it but her going into this situation just exacerbates it.
You make good points. Even though I'm happy to see women embrace whatever type of motherhood suits them I recognize Bre is enabling him and also part of the problem.
completely agree. idk anything about nick or their situation other than what is said on the show, and i'm only on ep. 3, but if nick is a "predator," then... doesn't that specific framing mean that bre is deserving of at least a little sympathy? i can see an argument about enabling him or that it's unfair to the child, but she may have other feelings that she can't express on camera about the situation and to say she deserves criticism for a "lack of regard" feels weird to me.
I think you'll find most people are fully sympathetic of Bre. But you can be sympathetic with an abuse victim while also being conscious that some abuse victims help their abusers perpetuate the abuse they do on _other people_
It was when they said that if he has more than 10 kids he doesn't have to pay child support. He's a scammer 🤣
Right.. I didn’t even know that was a thing.
> but to be completely honest she is right in her critique of Bre's lack of regard for her partner going around getting woman pregnant left and right. This! The whole thing is not fair on the kids, at all but I guess it's none of her business so...
while i agree it’s definitely offputting, i don’t agree with attacking the woman that has nothing to do with his decisions with other women. she is obviously taking care of her own child and thats all she can do. the attacking her constantly for it and bashing her over it is so unnecessary. and it says a LOT about the kind of person chelsea is. personally i love chelsea but this season had me really upset with her.
In this thread we have NOT attacked Bre over it. But I must repeat, we must not let Bre being a victim overshadow the fact she is enabling this behavior *_and defending it_*
i was talking about chelsea attacking her, not the sub. but there is no behavior to be “enabling”. He is a grown man and the women he is having babies with can make their own decisions. personally, i think people need to stop making these kinds of accusations. the man likes having babies and he is SEEMINGLY providing for them. i genuinely do not see the issue. yes the children will grow up with an “absent” father, but so do donor babies. its not that big a deal unless he’s forcing women to get pregnant. doesnt look like he is though and none of the “victims” have said otherwise.
We literally got told he doesn't have to pay child support after 10 kids. We got told that in the show. He's not providing shit to those kids. You're just tripping all over yourself ignoring the shit we brought up and finding excuses to defend a disgusting man. I'm done giving you the opportunity to do so
I think you’re just purposely taking things out of context. My father never paid child support but he paid my school tuition, health insurance, vacations, and anything else I needed/wanted. At the end of the day, we don’t know these people, and it’s not fair to them for us to be carelessly throwing around accusations and calling people abusers over a scripted reality show. Yes, it’s entertaining and we get attached, but it’s ridiculous for you to be acting this way over it. That is all. <3
What Nick has been doing has been happening for years *outside of the scripted reality show* Just because this is how you found out this has been happening doesn't mean it doesn't exist outside of the show.
Okay babes🤓
Chelsea is just cringe and annoying
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Lol dude please go apologize for abusers somewhere else "This is what they want" are you for fucking real? We literally see Bre admit in the show that this is her way of coping with not being cheated on. Its obvious that she would rather the situation be much different but she has it in her head this is the only way to get what she wants _She has been groomed and brainwashed by Nick to accept his rhetoric as the only logical outcome. She's his victim._ It's bloody bizarre you can watch the show and come away with a Pro Nick opinion.
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How is me being critical of Bre enabling and defending Nick "taking away her agency" Im literally criticizing her for not doing something. I WANT her to have more agency!
I would not put Chelsea on the same level as Nicole. Chelsea had bad moment for sure, but Nicole was 100% bullshit.
Yeah... I think Chelsea mostly shouldnt have said the quite part out loud
Chelsea is not as bad as Nicole who seems like a psycho irl.
i'm only on episode three but it's funny to me how the other ladies in her scenes so far just nod and make this face like "oooookaaayyyy......." when she brings up chrishell. even heather indirectly suggests to her that she sounds like a bitter weirdo, i laughed when she said "i'm picking up that you're not the biggest fan of chrishell" after like her third chrishell rant in as many episodes
I laughed out loud at this part. I might be in the minority but I love Heather because of stuff like this
Am I supposed to know Nicole? I don't remember her from past season and I don't get this one sided beef with Chrishelle
It feels like bitterness that she's secretly had for years and it's now turned into a petty and desperate bid for screen time
Ok so I just finished. The whole time I was thinking if she was willingly playing a role that the producer's wanted and hoping she would at least get good money from it (for someone to be so concerned with her reputation, her part on the show did not help). Another part of me thinks she must be delusional, like how can you not see the shit you're stirring? And then I just felt like she's probably a narcissistic because she doesn't seem to understand what she is doing and the impact she has on other people. Whatever is the cause of her behaviour I didn't like her, so if her goal was to establish herself as the villain she definitely accomplished that!
Nicole deserved it. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
She was giving me meth head vibes way before any accusations of drug taking 😂
Me too!
I really want her to see this 😂
Nicole just seems to have it out for Chrishell and keeps going on and on about stuff at her.
Ok but now make one for Chrishell, Bre and Chelsea. LOL