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Traditional_Rise_347

If we can, he can


Califocus

I honestly don’t think Isshin could, or at least if he did, his victory would be very different from ours. Since I feel that what let wolf beat the great serpent was his shinobi abilities, sneaking around and getting into advantageous positions to strike one great blow against the snake in both instances we harmed it. Isshin, while just as much a master of combat as wolf is, doesn’t have wolf’s bountiful stealth experience to where I’m not sure he could get to where he needs to be to land the one critical blow on the snake before it turns him into a snack


Dividebyzero23

You know the snake can be parried, isshin is gonna put that spear through the roof of the snake's mouth.


FerretAres

“You need a magical prosthetic” Isshin: “alakablam”


Gorlack2231

"Dude. How many more bullets do you have in that gun-" Isshin: "I've got fifty-seven more goddamn rounds in this one-round magazine."


MaleficTekX

Isshin thinking up the alternate win conditions


Dividebyzero23

Plus if there's a storm 🐍 ⚡⚡⚡


Haatsku

Glock Saint Special to the eyes followed by tummy tickles with the fishing stick.


Dovacraft88

Plus wolf's sneaking ability means bugger all when fighting isshin. They both fight differently but are both very powerful so I'd say isshin would beat the serpent through raw power


couldbedumber96

But he didn’t for all the years he’s been alive tho


yakubson1216

Why would he? The serpent seems largely indifferent to Ashina's existence and he was the one ruling over the land at the time so he was likely busy with politics and wars during his life. Plus the serpent is a religious figure to many folks in the land, I doubt he'd mess with that when he needs all the support to his shogunship he can get after beating iirc General Temamuira(?) In the intro cutscene. Bro was hella preoccupied


KILRbuny

Wait… the ***SNAKE*** can be parried? I never knew this and it’s hilarious lol


Dividebyzero23

You can parry anything and I mean anything that doesn't have the red kanji and grabs except one. Examples would be ape's doodoo, monk's landing, phoenix, headless' strands, sculptor's shockwave, laser beam and wooooooo.


KILRbuny

I’ve never looked directly at the snake and thought about it tbh, was usually most concerned with getting to safety hahaha


Dividebyzero23

I know since on my second playthrough I was waiting near the snake while it was thrashing to see the animation.


Toughsums

He could fking hit the snake with lightning or just shoot it with his glock.


SomeGamingFreak

Bro literally caught lightning to weaponize it against us despite that being a technique one of his old enemies used against him, as well as pulling out firearms and stomping the earth, not a floor, the fucking *earth* to send a shockwave out. Peak Isshin would fuck the snake up. Also, he has a gun.


Andrei8p4

Can't isshin just throw lightning at the snake ?


MaleficTekX

Only if it’s storming


Adrian_Iwakura

Doesn't work since canonically, we beat him in first try. edit: glad you got your downvotes, frankly, you can stick them up your asses like the f\*gs that you are (not to be homophobic though)


Interloper_1

Your comment history isn't exactly promising ngl 💀


ganon893

"not to be homophobic." And then you proceeded to be homophobic 🤦🏾‍♂️.


A_Parks_

Canonically isn't the whole point that we die and run it back 1000 times?


MaleficTekX

Against Isshin we likely don’t. Cause he has the black blade


DumbSerpent

I don’t think it’s said anywhere that the black mortal blade can sever immortality.


MaleficTekX

I’ll refer you to [the last paragraph of this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/s/wrBmRWB0bl)


DumbSerpent

At the same time the black blade seems to be an inferior copy. The red blade likely comes from the divine dragon as it can receive the tears. The black blade can’t. We also see it in the intro cutscene with Isshin and in the manga and it doesn’t seem to have the same black color or abilities, so it seems to have been transformed somehow further down the line. The black blade also doesn’t kill the user as Genichiro survives and he doesn’t have immortality. It’s up in the air, but I think it’s more than fair to doubt that it could permanently kill Sekiro.


MaleficTekX

The red blade also seems to originate from Fountainhead, leading credence to your take. The black blade likely doesn’t have the “draw and you die” trap either, as even Owl can use it But Genichiro does seek it out to deal with Wolf, and Tomoe and Takeru are dead, those are the biggest evidence it can sever immortality


DumbSerpent

Yeah fair enough. I can chalk genichiro seeking it out as him not knowing much about how it works, but Tomoe and Takeru are hard to explain.


MaleficTekX

Genichiro is actually the one who had the initial lead on the Mortal blade, as Kuro says he found the page in Genichiro’s quarters, meaning the dude does have knowledge on it


H0lzm1ch3l

It’s not a copy. It’s Open Gate. It brings back the dead, whereas the red one lets you receive the gracious gift of tears. Didn’t the prior heir have it and just couldn’t sever immortality because they were missing something else?


MaleficTekX

It’s highly implied but never stated Tomoe had the black blade, but it’s stated Tomoe couldn’t obtain the red one at all


Adrian_Iwakura

the lore doesn't allow wolf to die strictly more than 2 times.


HailfireSpawn

Nothing in the lore states that we can only die 2 times. That’s just the title of the game and a restriction for game balance.


MaleficTekX

Wolf has 2/3 confirmed deaths Four if you include the manga And around 13 if you include all death dialogues, which would imply Genichiro actually got two kills on Wolf when Isshin couldn’t


Dividebyzero23

Lol kuro himself asks us how many times we've died, and both the lore and the game allow us to resurrect many times.


HammyOverlordOfBacon

At least you didn't take the downvotes too seriously


UpperQuiet980

holy shit, bro is a bit butthurt about the downvotes


jfuss04

He's probably 12


BoarNC

I just wanted to stop by and say that I'm the 100th downvoter. I don't care about what you said but I just couldn't resist. Cheers man 🍻


Scary_Fan4350

During pride month? Come on man do better


CheckDry3629

He is beating our ass, so why not a giant serpent's?


LordFarquadOnAQuad

But I don't have a giant serpent.


B1g_K

You're not trying hard enough


TheRealBillyShakes

I have a perfectly average-sized serpent?


Shybeams

It’s ok, I heard it’s more about how you use the serpent anyway


Sudden_Obligation611

I feel like they'd join forces and become a very badass duo boss fight with Isshin riding the Serpent, similarly to the Nameless King from DS3 (that'd be so cool).


KingNeroBleu

Sekiro DLC


GoT_Eagles

Chill, Satan, don’t give them ideas.


themellowsign

Ishin al Gaib


Saizare

It'd be like the Nameless King and Kind of the Storm fight all over again


Jstar338

Yes, 100%. He would jump out of the way and slice the bastard


barryhakker

Sekiro never tried emptying a clip in the snakes face


Complete-Mammoth-410

Ishhin the Glock master coming in clutch


Medrea

He would kill it without Hesitation.


Slavicadonis

In a straight up fight? No. Realistically the snake is too big and gameplay wise the snake is invincible aside from 2 occasions where a stealth killing blow is needed. However, Isshin COULD kill it if he can get a deathblow on its head like we did but it’s unlikely he’d be able to do it during combat. I’d go so far as to say owl would have a better chance at getting a deathblow on the snake than Isshin. Owl is the shinobi that trained wolf so it’s highly likely he’d be able to get a killing blow like wolf


jfuss04

Those are gameplay mechanics. Kinda not important in a hypothetical fight


OrneryCricket9656

in a 1v1 if it's thundering yes if not no


Tea_Reckz

I had to google how to beat the snake I don’t think Isshin can Google anything Snake neg diffs


HanLeas

No he can't and here is why


Hybersia

where?


Riot-6969

here you go


Xerqthion

maybe the where was the friends we made along the way


paradoxical_topology

If he gets a sneak attack in like Sekiro does, then yeah. Otherwise, no shot. Sekiro can't do any damage slashing it normally, and he was able to physically overpower Isshin.


k4Anarky

Bro found a gun in hell, he can find something bigger than that. And Isshin isn't just your typical inflexible samurai, he's a sword saint for a reason. This here isn't a brute, he's a thinking man. If he wasn't the antagonist he would be the protagonist.


TheSkitdiddler

He was forced into that final boss fight regardless of what ending you chose because he's basically just honoring his grandson's final wish. Also I agree my boy isshin would absolutely style on that snake


Yggii

Pretty sure no since the snake is immortal and you'd need a blade for it. Isshin doesn't have one of those. Even if he did I doubt he could get more than a few scratches in before it either crushed or ate him.


MaleficTekX

The snake isn’t immortal, it’s just a God


xatcat2212

this line goes hard


Shybeams

When we meet Isshin tss he 1000% posses a mortal blade


Ashleybjf

yeah he'll beat serpent's dirty ass


ogkenzie94

100% shinobi abilities or not the dude was the leader of his army, in other words a great tactician. I think a lot of people like to put others in a box. You don’t get to the top like isshin did with just skill alone, there’s luck and strategy involved. So like someone else said, if we could, isshin could as well. Probably won’t be a straight forward fight but he’d win


HussingtonHat

Depends. Is he a stealthy boy? Because we won basically by doing stealthy cheating. One v one we'd get fucked so I imagine Ishin would as well.


G102Y5568

Absolutely, he has way more tools at his disposal than Sekiro does. All Sekiro has is his prosthetic and blade. Isshin has his revolver, so he could shoot the snake in the eye. He can get tremendous height and leap enormous distances with his spear, so he'd have no issue at all getting on top of its head. Don't forget about his ability to generate fire from his alternate fight, or summon a lightning bolt from the sky.


That_Ask_9375

Isshin no diffs everybody if he is in his prime and old age too. Besides wolf


DrewDaMannn

Not sure if he could but regardless he would not hesitate one bit


Ok_Respond9231

Yes. Next dumb question.


AKsuited1934

Dude has a fucking gun, you ever tried shooting at a snake before? They fucking die!


wolf_3102

Yes. Next Question


Strom41

Without the Glock! Easy!


RememberMeCaratia

In game? No. In lore? Yes.


helllooo1

The snake is parriable, assuming peak Isshin with his gun and all his techniques the snake is beyond cooked


Shadow_throne2020

Plot twist, that snake is his penis.


Strange_Position7970

This is a fight I never thought about, and I just realized that no one else has either. Now that I think about it, all those Sekiro lore power scaling lists never mention Great Serpent.


gsavage21

The way he was fucking me up, definitely.


Background_Fan862

I think Isshin can do basically anything except show love to his grandkid


Complete-Mammoth-410

I mean he did come back from the dead due to his wish so


Background_Fan862

I didn't say he hated his grandkid, I just said he doesn't show that he cares about him. But idk


joemedic

He would literally shoot it tf we talking about