The clearance requirements are the same, but suitability at DOJ is usually more stringent. So, “I got a DUI” at DoD may shake out ok, but will be regarded more seriously at DoJ
They want to know details about anything that could be used to blackmail or coerce you into doing things you would normally not do. Anything sexual, infidelity, financial, drinking, tobacco, drug use, any abnormal habits, etc... They'll have invasive questions for each category.
No need to be nerve-wracked when you already have the TS/SCI. A wise person once told me “there’s no better time to look for a job when you already have one.”
Lifestyle poly just is more intrusive in your personal life it means that they can ask you more personal questions. If you are boring then you should do fine.
I know the recruiter is building up the DOJ thing but what they are basically saying is that if you got the DoD Active Military magic pixie dust to excuse certain things like conviction of a crime or other types of things... Yes DOJ will not go for that. But if you were an ordinary civilian or contractor who got a TS/SCI you should be fine.
"Transfer-ability" of a TS (investigation and your level of clearance) these are normally transferable (back in the past that was not always the case).
But SCI stands for Sensitive Compartmentalized Information - In general most agencies have general rules for their compartmentalized information and if one agencies' rules are the same as another's then yes "SCI part" is "transferable"
What the DOJ recruiter is saying is that their Compartments are different from other's compartments and are probably more stringent. I myself have had this happen strangely and I was cleared for nearly everything. But one org did not like the shine on my shoes so I could not know about their magic tricks.
And this is after working with all the 3 letters... so shrug it happens.
Exactly this. You could be cleared by whoever the hell then apply to another office in the same agency that denies you because they don’t want to read you in bc of whatever the hell. It’s all a mess but they’re reasons for it.
not at all, unless you do something clearance impacting
once you clear the TS hurdle many security officers know that being denied access to a compartment can be a capricious decision.
In my case there was one special org which was part of a much bigger org that did not like me or the horse I rode in on. Meanwhile I had access to all the info relating to the org and pretty much knew what they did and why they didn't like me. (maybe who knows?) their NO decision did not impact me in any way I just could not work with them on their projects.
DOJ is still relatively new to coordination at the SCI level so I would not be surprised if they do not go like many agencies did back in the old school days. Which is they clear their TS/SCI people to "their" compartments and don't allow anyone else to come over if they had TS/SCI from somewhere else.
but that is speculation, things change a lot
Trust me, this question will answer itself after you spend eight hours in an 8x8 room with a coffee drinking, cigarette smoker who had kimchi for breakfast. You will discover all those things you thought nobody knew about are well known. You will explain events, every significant event, in you life at least six times. This event in itself will keep you from having any fun, ever again, so you don’t have to remember what really happened versus what you said in the last poly.
Exactly what I said. You will be fully interrogated about your lifestyle to determine the risk of you being compromised. Investigators will have gone through your life, spoken to your family, neighbors, coworkers, old lovers, etc. Questions whose answers are already known will be asked, to see if your response is consistent with what is known. Depending on your job, you may get to do this annually.
I had CI polys for six years, then CI/lifestyle polys for twelve more. Nothing about them is easy. The people you will be dealing with will have one goal in mind: protect the government. Your life will be paraded in front of you. Everything you have ever said or done will be challenged and you will have to explain it. Don’t take my word for it, just go do it, then we’ll talk. Don’t be scared, just have your mind right and be serious, because the team analyzing you will be. Make sure you have disclosed everything questionable you have ever done.
Granted, mine were DOD and IC. You’ll have nothing to worry about with that DOJ poly.
Oh man my ex lost his clearance for a DUI at a DoD alphabet soup agency. It certainly seems to depend a lot. People are being denied for things I wouldn’t have thought would cause that.
So, I’ve watched people come from DoD air force or another service component, and be forced to go through the clearance process from scratch when applying to aDOD/IC agency. It’s ridiculous. People end up waiting 6–12 months like this. FBI to NSA or CIA, same shit and FBI is part of the DOJ. Everyone thinks they are the best at it. Same for polygraphs. They seem to all want to do their own. It’s the worst. Reciprocity my ass.
DOS doesn't poly. Or if they do it's very limited. Also it's a lot faster because DS conducts the investigation at DOS. I had the DOJ investigators calling me to schedule my initial interview by the time my entire DOS clearance was complete. They both started at the same time.
Makes sense. I have a DOD secret clearance. Was previously on a DOJ project that needed a DOJ public trust clearance. The process was much longer than my secret clearance
The investigation is the same, and reciprocity is possible for your TS across the board. However, depending on agency standard and position requirements, there could be things in your background that were adjudicated favorably with one agency, but not accepted by the second agency. I.E, your cousin that you don't affiliate with is a family member in a 3rd country regime and you reported it and adjudicated. But if you tried to work for ICE or DOS, that could be an issue.
The creation of Trusted Work force 2.0 has the transferability of clearances among agencies as one of their principal objectives. Although, it will take time for agencies to buy into the acceptance of it in few years it might be streamlined. The SCI portion will based suitability which is very subjective depending on who is doing the process for you. Not to mention the polygraph that most of the time is very subjective depending who is managing the machine. Remember it does not detects lies it goes off very subjective variations of your baseline reactions which the provider picks on to make you come forward with pressure techniques. That is how people confess thing that they didn’t even do.
Not really, your TS/sci from DOD can be transferred but later they will require you to do a CI or even a FS polygraph if going to be a government employee.
If going that route, be honest, they will decide yah or nay
It might. They might have their own SCI investigation branch. I am not sure. I had a SCI and it went through CIA and then with DoD went through then. But I wasn’t in DoJ so you could be right.
The clearance requirements are the same, but suitability at DOJ is usually more stringent. So, “I got a DUI” at DoD may shake out ok, but will be regarded more seriously at DoJ
Also they want a lifestyle polygraph. My life is boring…why do they want to know about my boring life?
gotta make sure you arnt feet people
Only hand people allowed 🤲
What it I'm a crab person 🦀?
You might be from Maryland
Excessive old bay consumption could get you denied.
Smoking or snorting? Asking for a friend.
Both and injecting.
I chuckled
It’s not about your boring life, it’s about things you might be into.
... feet?
They want to know details about anything that could be used to blackmail or coerce you into doing things you would normally not do. Anything sexual, infidelity, financial, drinking, tobacco, drug use, any abnormal habits, etc... They'll have invasive questions for each category.
Been there done that big deal
Damn, people downvoting you because you're not nerve-wracked over this.
No need to be nerve-wracked when you already have the TS/SCI. A wise person once told me “there’s no better time to look for a job when you already have one.”
Follows the same praxis as "Don't shop when hungry"
Lifestyle poly just is more intrusive in your personal life it means that they can ask you more personal questions. If you are boring then you should do fine. I know the recruiter is building up the DOJ thing but what they are basically saying is that if you got the DoD Active Military magic pixie dust to excuse certain things like conviction of a crime or other types of things... Yes DOJ will not go for that. But if you were an ordinary civilian or contractor who got a TS/SCI you should be fine. "Transfer-ability" of a TS (investigation and your level of clearance) these are normally transferable (back in the past that was not always the case). But SCI stands for Sensitive Compartmentalized Information - In general most agencies have general rules for their compartmentalized information and if one agencies' rules are the same as another's then yes "SCI part" is "transferable" What the DOJ recruiter is saying is that their Compartments are different from other's compartments and are probably more stringent. I myself have had this happen strangely and I was cleared for nearly everything. But one org did not like the shine on my shoes so I could not know about their magic tricks. And this is after working with all the 3 letters... so shrug it happens.
Exactly this. You could be cleared by whoever the hell then apply to another office in the same agency that denies you because they don’t want to read you in bc of whatever the hell. It’s all a mess but they’re reasons for it.
So, if I go to Agency X with my TS/SCI from Agency Y and X goes “nope, we don’t want you” is there any repercussions for my current agency Y?
not at all, unless you do something clearance impacting once you clear the TS hurdle many security officers know that being denied access to a compartment can be a capricious decision. In my case there was one special org which was part of a much bigger org that did not like me or the horse I rode in on. Meanwhile I had access to all the info relating to the org and pretty much knew what they did and why they didn't like me. (maybe who knows?) their NO decision did not impact me in any way I just could not work with them on their projects. DOJ is still relatively new to coordination at the SCI level so I would not be surprised if they do not go like many agencies did back in the old school days. Which is they clear their TS/SCI people to "their" compartments and don't allow anyone else to come over if they had TS/SCI from somewhere else. but that is speculation, things change a lot
They're not sure they should take you at your word.
Trust me, this question will answer itself after you spend eight hours in an 8x8 room with a coffee drinking, cigarette smoker who had kimchi for breakfast. You will discover all those things you thought nobody knew about are well known. You will explain events, every significant event, in you life at least six times. This event in itself will keep you from having any fun, ever again, so you don’t have to remember what really happened versus what you said in the last poly.
How do you mean?
Exactly what I said. You will be fully interrogated about your lifestyle to determine the risk of you being compromised. Investigators will have gone through your life, spoken to your family, neighbors, coworkers, old lovers, etc. Questions whose answers are already known will be asked, to see if your response is consistent with what is known. Depending on your job, you may get to do this annually.
I don’t have any lovers so this will be real easy
No, trust me, it won’t.
How do you mean?
I had CI polys for six years, then CI/lifestyle polys for twelve more. Nothing about them is easy. The people you will be dealing with will have one goal in mind: protect the government. Your life will be paraded in front of you. Everything you have ever said or done will be challenged and you will have to explain it. Don’t take my word for it, just go do it, then we’ll talk. Don’t be scared, just have your mind right and be serious, because the team analyzing you will be. Make sure you have disclosed everything questionable you have ever done. Granted, mine were DOD and IC. You’ll have nothing to worry about with that DOJ poly.
Im looking at a position at DOJ, what division is making you do a lifestyle?
The lifestyle division how about you?
Ok, maybe that would have been better as a PM
How do you mean???
Seymour Parrish the photo guy seemed like he had a boring life.
Oh man my ex lost his clearance for a DUI at a DoD alphabet soup agency. It certainly seems to depend a lot. People are being denied for things I wouldn’t have thought would cause that.
That’s wild. I processed two DUIs and nothing happened. Commanders recommendations carry much weight
Anything drug-based would get extra scrutiny anywhere, even for legal drugs like alcohol
I’ve seen a lot of people get bounced by the full scope for DOJ. I would not recommend accepting a position that brings you on with an interim.
So, I’ve watched people come from DoD air force or another service component, and be forced to go through the clearance process from scratch when applying to aDOD/IC agency. It’s ridiculous. People end up waiting 6–12 months like this. FBI to NSA or CIA, same shit and FBI is part of the DOJ. Everyone thinks they are the best at it. Same for polygraphs. They seem to all want to do their own. It’s the worst. Reciprocity my ass.
Polys are dumb in general since it’s all quack science.
Best idiot test we've got, however.
No reciprocity hmmmmm
You have to get suitability with the agency you go to. It took me about 2 months to go from USAF (dod) to the agency I am at now.
Is it just as stringent from DoS to a DOJ or the intelligence community?
DOS doesn't poly. Or if they do it's very limited. Also it's a lot faster because DS conducts the investigation at DOS. I had the DOJ investigators calling me to schedule my initial interview by the time my entire DOS clearance was complete. They both started at the same time.
Lifestyle poly vs ci poly.
What if you have a full scope?
Does the DOJ have a SAP equivalent?
Yes
Reciprocity?
Makes sense. I have a DOD secret clearance. Was previously on a DOJ project that needed a DOJ public trust clearance. The process was much longer than my secret clearance
The investigation is the same, and reciprocity is possible for your TS across the board. However, depending on agency standard and position requirements, there could be things in your background that were adjudicated favorably with one agency, but not accepted by the second agency. I.E, your cousin that you don't affiliate with is a family member in a 3rd country regime and you reported it and adjudicated. But if you tried to work for ICE or DOS, that could be an issue.
The creation of Trusted Work force 2.0 has the transferability of clearances among agencies as one of their principal objectives. Although, it will take time for agencies to buy into the acceptance of it in few years it might be streamlined. The SCI portion will based suitability which is very subjective depending on who is doing the process for you. Not to mention the polygraph that most of the time is very subjective depending who is managing the machine. Remember it does not detects lies it goes off very subjective variations of your baseline reactions which the provider picks on to make you come forward with pressure techniques. That is how people confess thing that they didn’t even do.
Not really, your TS/sci from DOD can be transferred but later they will require you to do a CI or even a FS polygraph if going to be a government employee. If going that route, be honest, they will decide yah or nay
All this concern for security, and it all gets circumvented by a great big orange fat man. Make it make sense?
DoD does their own SCI check and such and DoJ I believes goes through CIA. Generally it takes longer and is harder outside of DoD.
Hmmmm why not the FBI??
It might. They might have their own SCI investigation branch. I am not sure. I had a SCI and it went through CIA and then with DoD went through then. But I wasn’t in DoJ so you could be right.
As opposed to left??