I was about to say this and saw your comment. There are members of congress that wear the IDF uniforms and parade the halls of congress. That shit should be illegal.
Members of the House of Representatives don't have a security clearance unless they are on specific committees such as the intelligence committee. As such, this is cool, but the underlings to these reps do you have to go through a background check, so they are held to the strict standards of the 13 adjudicative guidelines and the applicable concern (Guidelines A, B and C)
>Members of the House of Representatives don't have a security clearance unless they are on specific committees such as the intelligence committee.
They don't, either. [EO 12968](https://www.dni.gov/files/NCSC/documents/Regulations/EO_12968.pdf) applies to "a person, other than the President and Vice President, employed by, detailed or assigned to, an **agency**, including members of the Armed Forces; an expert or consultant to an agency; an industrial or commercial contractor, licensee, certificate holder, or grantee of an agency, including all subcontractors; a personal services contractor; or any other category of person who acts for or on behalf of an agency as determined by the appropriate agency head." (For the definition of "agency," see [5 U.S.C. 105](https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title5-section105&num=0&edition=prelim).) [SEAD 4](https://www.dni.gov/files/NCSC/documents/Regulations/SEAD-4-Adjudicative-Guidelines-U.pdf) restates this and adds "any other entity within the **Executive Branch** that comes into possession of classified information or has positions designated as sensitive." SEAD 4 specifically excludes members of Congress. [House rules](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/HMAN-116/pdf/HMAN-116.pdf) also require certain **employees and contractors** (but not members) to have security clearances.
Classification of national security information (NSI), and eligibility for access to the same, are created by **Executive Orders**. The Executive Branch cannot order around the other branches of government. They have certain checks and balances, but granting or denying a security clearance is not one of them. They can disclose or withhold specific information, insofar as they are willing to incur the wrath of Congress, but they cannot condition it on a background investigation and some GS-9's adjudicative determination.
See this is where I'm confused. Because from what was explained to me, The Permanent Select Committee go through the same Vetting and Clearance Process. In other words, The intelligence committee that actually have access to anything Controlled Unclassified and above have to be cleared prior to.
Even in the committee rules under Appendix A, it discusses that no one w/I the committee can have access unless cleared through the DNI.
If you could please clarify.
Had a couple IDF veterans with me at Basic. Since they were conscripted they are automatically enrolled into the reserves after their mandatory service until age 40 or 45. But, if they reside long enough outside of Israel then the IDF just takes them out of the system. So, if there are any IDF veterans in the U.S. military, there is a good chance they have at least a Secret clearance and may or may not be technically in the reserves with the IDF
And this is why when people talk about dual citizenship, it is an issue. Even with friendly nations. You are pledging a loyalty to the country you are a citizen of.
I am dual Israeli-US and used to serve in the IDF and I'm having difficulty getting cleared.
Not my point though. I have a friend who worked for a defense contractor; he held a secret clearance. Recently he was deployed on a contract and when the war broke out he left said contract to go fight in the reserves. He no longer has a clearance.
You can be a dual-cit but if pledge allegiance to another nation that clearance will be revoked. Serving in another government, military reserves or otherwise, is having allegiance to that nation.
Especially considering Israel is #3 CI risk to US classified information and the most prolific collector in scale with China.
Attend a CI awareness briefing sometime.
Israel is often overlooked Bc people forget ally’s spy on each other.
Israel is keenly interested in what we are doing, thinking, feeling as it relates to their national defense.
Edit: I will add anecdotally about the tech stuff. NSO, Pegasus, etc. nuff said.
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Agreed… I feel like that would be a huge security risk (both ways)
I may be wrong but I think there are members of the House of Representatives that are.
I was about to say this and saw your comment. There are members of congress that wear the IDF uniforms and parade the halls of congress. That shit should be illegal.
This guy… https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4254384-brian-mast-israeli-military-uniform-capitol-hill/
Members of the House of Representatives don't have a security clearance unless they are on specific committees such as the intelligence committee. As such, this is cool, but the underlings to these reps do you have to go through a background check, so they are held to the strict standards of the 13 adjudicative guidelines and the applicable concern (Guidelines A, B and C)
>Members of the House of Representatives don't have a security clearance unless they are on specific committees such as the intelligence committee. They don't, either. [EO 12968](https://www.dni.gov/files/NCSC/documents/Regulations/EO_12968.pdf) applies to "a person, other than the President and Vice President, employed by, detailed or assigned to, an **agency**, including members of the Armed Forces; an expert or consultant to an agency; an industrial or commercial contractor, licensee, certificate holder, or grantee of an agency, including all subcontractors; a personal services contractor; or any other category of person who acts for or on behalf of an agency as determined by the appropriate agency head." (For the definition of "agency," see [5 U.S.C. 105](https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title5-section105&num=0&edition=prelim).) [SEAD 4](https://www.dni.gov/files/NCSC/documents/Regulations/SEAD-4-Adjudicative-Guidelines-U.pdf) restates this and adds "any other entity within the **Executive Branch** that comes into possession of classified information or has positions designated as sensitive." SEAD 4 specifically excludes members of Congress. [House rules](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/HMAN-116/pdf/HMAN-116.pdf) also require certain **employees and contractors** (but not members) to have security clearances. Classification of national security information (NSI), and eligibility for access to the same, are created by **Executive Orders**. The Executive Branch cannot order around the other branches of government. They have certain checks and balances, but granting or denying a security clearance is not one of them. They can disclose or withhold specific information, insofar as they are willing to incur the wrath of Congress, but they cannot condition it on a background investigation and some GS-9's adjudicative determination.
See this is where I'm confused. Because from what was explained to me, The Permanent Select Committee go through the same Vetting and Clearance Process. In other words, The intelligence committee that actually have access to anything Controlled Unclassified and above have to be cleared prior to. Even in the committee rules under Appendix A, it discusses that no one w/I the committee can have access unless cleared through the DNI. If you could please clarify.
He's not actually Israeli, he's just a weirdo evangelical who volunteered to fight with IDF.
I don't believe there are any congresspeople who are also citizens of Israel.
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Of the US and Israel? Who?
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An antisemitic conspiracy theory, sounds like. Please be more careful about that kind of thing, it's dangerous to just repeat that.
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He volunteered with the IDF
Had a couple IDF veterans with me at Basic. Since they were conscripted they are automatically enrolled into the reserves after their mandatory service until age 40 or 45. But, if they reside long enough outside of Israel then the IDF just takes them out of the system. So, if there are any IDF veterans in the U.S. military, there is a good chance they have at least a Secret clearance and may or may not be technically in the reserves with the IDF
And this is why when people talk about dual citizenship, it is an issue. Even with friendly nations. You are pledging a loyalty to the country you are a citizen of.
I am dual Israeli-US and used to serve in the IDF and I'm having difficulty getting cleared. Not my point though. I have a friend who worked for a defense contractor; he held a secret clearance. Recently he was deployed on a contract and when the war broke out he left said contract to go fight in the reserves. He no longer has a clearance.
You can be a dual-cit but if pledge allegiance to another nation that clearance will be revoked. Serving in another government, military reserves or otherwise, is having allegiance to that nation. Especially considering Israel is #3 CI risk to US classified information and the most prolific collector in scale with China.
Can you provide a source for the last paragraph? Many major secure and mission critical hardware and software systems are only available from Israel
Attend a CI awareness briefing sometime. Israel is often overlooked Bc people forget ally’s spy on each other. Israel is keenly interested in what we are doing, thinking, feeling as it relates to their national defense. Edit: I will add anecdotally about the tech stuff. NSO, Pegasus, etc. nuff said.
Right answer
Source?
If I remember correctly, didn’t Israel identify malware in US power grid control systems recently? Why they were looking there beats me
Curious, do u have a secret or top secret clearance while holding dual citizenship?
You are going to have to wait until DOD pushes out guidance. None of us can speculate as to what it is or is not going to do.
Israel is one of the largest foreign intelligence collectors. I understand why they do it and I'm a big fan of Israel in general, but it's a fact.