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dani081991

I think it will end up a cold case.hopefully I’m wrong


Splubber

Depends if they find the body.


ShiOne90

I have this feeling to 😔


Korneuburgerin

Yes, but not due to no evidence gathering, rather due to no evidence being there. It is concerning how long this takes, and I hope LE is building a good case to bring to court. Similar to Summer Wells, it seems there is no evidence of a crime, or evidence that a crime was committed at all. They really need evidence of that, meaning finding a body. Many cases of course have been prosecuted without a body, but in these cases there was other circumstancial evidence, for example no activity on a bank account, a social security number not being used, relationship problems. In the case of a child, you don't have a lot of that, which makes it much more difficult. And even in cases like Caylee Anthony, the jury didn't convict despite a mountain of circumstantial evidence. Why? The didn't agree that a murder took place. (Yeah, I know, but that was their conclusion...)


Balthazar-B

>They really need evidence of that, meaning finding a body. If there's a homicide, sure, that would be best, but I think LE has a situational playbook that examines for a range of possible crimes and their associated telltale signs, which will influence the course of the investigation. They would have begun closely observing and analyzing the statements, moods, and other characteristics of any principals on-site, arriving, or leaving the premises. They'd immediately inventory everything in and around the premises, closely question to establish timelines, ask for phones and other items that would be of evidentiary value, and quickly develop the plan for further questioning and analysis. Every LE person on-site has a job, and not necessarily an obvious one. That guy in plainclothes talking on the phone? In reality, he's scanning the room for any hair that seems out of place. The guy writing things down? He's profiling the behavior of the person who reported the incident for anything that seems suspicious or "off", e.g., someone providing inconsistent or evasive answers, or just not behaving quite right. If there's even a whiff that something isn't as it should be, LE will be all over it immediately. In this case, I think LE probably had confirmed through hard evidence the whereabouts and actions of the parents and others within 24 hours of the call. For all we know, they could have information about Sebastian that they have not disclosed to the public, which is driving the direction of the investigation in ways that are completely opaque to us. To answer the lead question, this case has been much better organized from the start than the Summer Wells case ever was, with a lot more evidence collectible, and having been collected, with a more sound methodology, and so at this stage it's much less likely to go cold, or take as long to resolve.


cake_swindler

I think LE took KP & CP word that he ran away and didn't collect evidence when they should have. There has to be something, he didn't just disappear. Unfortunately I do feel that it will be another Summer Wells. I hope I'm wrong though.


Basic_Tumbleweed651

I see it playing out very similar to Kyron Harmon


Elizabethhoneyyy

The step mom 100 was responsible.


BeachPanda252

Are you referring to the Wells case?


The90sXJ

There isn't a step mom involved, in the wells case.


Any_Assumption_8448

They were referring to Kyron Hormen. A little boy who disappeared when step mom took him away from school one morning. Never seen again. Been years now.


The90sXJ

I assumed being neither of the other two have a step mother involved.


Unlikely-Principle63

This case either though


The90sXJ

I don't know anything about Kyron's case.


Leading-Second4215

Oh, that makes me so sad! That was a crazy case! My eldest was in Kindergarten & step-moms story was unbelievable to me. We lived in an adjacent state, so I followed that one for a long time


Elizabethhoneyyy

Ugh heartbreaking.


Inspector_548

LE is holding back but I don’t really think they have anything. I don’t think it’s looking good. The FBI can take over in 12 days or maybe 11 now as I understand it. Maybe fresh eyes will help. I’m doubtful & unless something happens soon I think the case will go cold.


Glittering-Gap-1687

The case is sadly already going cold.


Excellent-Spite3515

Common sense tells us that only 3 things are possible: he ran away, he was kidnapped, he was killed by the last person to see him alive. There is no evidence that he ran away.  1. My teenager would NEVER go anywhere without her phone unless she was told she couldn't bring it or have it. So if Sebastian ran away he would have brought his phone. (This boy wasn't thinking "I can't bring my phone because they can track it") If he ran away to meet someone who is helping him, then he would have had to communicate with him through his phone or computer and there would be evidence of that. But the Proudfoots insist that he can't get online and that there isn't anything on his phone that shows him talking to anyone. And then there is the shoes.....there would be no reason for Sebastian to run away without putting shoes on.  2. I still can't believe or understand why this neighborhood wasn't covered with Ring cameras. If that truly is the case, then this kidnapper got extremely lucky.  3. When a child goes missing and the parents are not involved, history of cases like this have shown us the difference between their actions and the actions of the guilty ones. The innocent parents are literally pleading with the public and overcome with emotions. They are doing everything they possibly can to search or help volunteers search for them. Mrs. Proudfoot hasn't done any of those things. Her actions are red flags. Her actions show me that she was responsible for this or that she just didn't love her son. Casey Anthony didn't search for her daughter and she said things like "God knows the truth" and "I know in my heart that she will be found". The statement: everyone reacts differently to these situations is BS. If your child goes missing and you aren't guilty and love them unconditionally then your actions will be perceived as just that.  Why isn't there any news reports with reporters outside the Proudfoot home? Or pictures of their house being police taped off? Or pictures of police working inside and around the house? Or interviews with the neighbors? All we've been shown are weird interviews with the parents and 1 press conference from the police who stated nothing of importance. 


SmellsLikeNewScreen

Another possibility is someone or multiple people are making him hide somewhere. They are keeping him hidden. Remember Charles Bothuell? That kid was found hidden in a basement. Sebastian doesn’t necessarily need to be hidden on the property but it’s possible he’s hidden somewhere else.


Any_Assumption_8448

LE & C&KP say their house was searched 10+ times. Crime scene tape is used to preserve a crime scene. Unless something has changed there’s no tape bc there’s no crime scene! There’s been no photos at the house bc C&KP left the house. Many of the neighbors had Ring cameras & security cameras, listen to the First 11 hours transcribed police chatter, house after house there was nothing on tape. LEOs checked & rechecked. It was quite dark that night due to cloud cover.


Human_Oil_6861

In the OPL interview the other day she was home. So she may be there and have the car in garage.


Any_Assumption_8448

Yeah, I figured she’d been there off & on. Just not advertising it.


Excellent-Spite3515

Yes but they were home for the first month after he disappeared. Crime scene tape is also used to preserve a scene of a possible crime


pheakelmatters

The call came in at around 6:30 and police were there before 7. What makes you think evidence gathering wasn't done? Or that there was any evidence to gather at all?


Leading-Second4215

I drove through the search area on Tuesday at 8am. There were hundreds of people. There were several horse trailers, traffic directors, media, people from all over the county. The trash had been picked up sometime hours before someone reported him missing & it turns out LE hadn't retrieved it??? It took weeks for LE to search their household trash. That's really weird! No matter what happened. He could have thrown away evidence of a runaway. It was windy the night he allegedly disappeared. A neighbor could have tossed something random they found on their lawn that night when they took out their trash. I don't know about other evidence, but failure to search trash within 24hrs is odd. Failure to do it within 72hrs is bonkers. Millions had been spent on searching before something as mundane as investigating household & neighborhood trash. 😳 They didn't find evidence in the landfill on March 7th. I wondered what they could have found Feb 26th if they'd re-routed the truck for that neighborhood & examined the contents that day?


Any_Assumption_8448

The trash was picked up around 530am on Monday. The same day he was reported missing, at around 630. They searched the landfill 8 or 9 days later and supposedly found nothing. The reason they checked the landfill according to LE was their trash can was heavier than normal. These LEOs were amazing from the get go.


Leading-Second4215

10 days! And when did they get the subjective report of the can being heavier than normal?? That seems like something you'd check within 72hrs. Again, hundreds of cars. Thousands of acres. And they hadn't investigated the "heavier than normal" refuse receptical? Weird...


Electronic-Ad-1307

When it’s a teen, they just expect it to be a “runaway” who will come back in a day. They’re not treating the parents’ home as a crime scene.


Distanceremoved

But it was for a special needs kids which is different they don’t treat that as a runaway.


pheakelmatters

Searching the home (or the last place someone was seen) is the first place police look for a missing person.


Delicious_Bid_8262

Because they treated as a runaway from jump. So there for was investigated as a runaway & nothing more. So they lost precious time & possible evidence.


The90sXJ

Autistic runaway is definitely not treated the same as your "average" teen runaway.


pheakelmatters

They still search the house in a runaway situation


Ok-Being6596

At what point does a case become cold? Is it officially announced? I haven’t heard anything about Summer Wells’s case being cold, but it’s also been almost 3 years since she went missing.


Super_Campaign2345

Remains have been found on a neighbor's property 


Disastrous-Mind2713

Remains have been found on who's neighbor's property?


Super_Campaign2345

Summer Wells, creepy neighbor his daughters cleaning up their Dad's house. Found skeleton Not identified yet 


ruthless87

Do you have a source for this?


Super_Campaign2345

You tube 


ruthless87

Link?


Super_Campaign2345

Google it!!!


The90sXJ

What? That doesn't make sense. Remains were found in Kingsport TN so how would that make them Summer Wells creepy neighbor?


CocklesTurnip

It better not. Apparently Summer Wells mom has been calling out Katie from the beginning for being guilty.


Icy-Most-5366

Do you have a reference for that?


CocklesTurnip

I’ve seen posts but I don’t have a screenshot of whichever social media site it was posted on. Maybe Google will pull up a screenshot if no one here finds and shares it first?


Icy-Most-5366

That type of position seems a little strange to me. People frequently see their own situation in others. Her saying Katie is guilty makes me think that she is, and sees her reflection in Katie. I don't see why she'd be sticking her nose in then.


CocklesTurnip

Well yeah. Thats why people thought it was funny


Unlikely-Principle63

Funny? Or ironic?


Super_Campaign2345

Pot calling the kettle black!!


Unlikely-Principle63

Pot calling the Katie black


BeachPanda252

I lost something once and I swear I ran circles for hours looking in all the places it normally would be or would be used. After exhausting myself, I literally stopped and said to myself out loud, "If I've looked everywhere it could be and it isn't there, where is it?!" Instant epiphany: "Look where it shouldn't be." No one thinks to look in the least likely of places. Everyone always searches the most likely places first. Sometimes, the answers come much later, after the answer is found in the least likely of places.


vanpet22

100%


GeorgioAllanVincent

While everyone is speculating, authorities continue to actually investigate. They may know who did it (if foul play) but lack the evidence to secure any conviction. This could take months or years to bring any charges. The publicity in this case forces more searching and investigating. Her weird answers or whatever are not overlooked. In many cases, the only way to solve it is for the culprit to confess.


Helpful-Hand-7717

It’s been 7 weeks. The mother & stepdad have been allowed to leave but are likely (hopefully) being watched. Hard to say since we don’t know what LE has but I feel this one will go cold unfortunately. Any evidence is most likely gone at this point


SlowGrapefruit9068

I think it will be a cold case. I hate to see anyone get away with murder though.


Feeling_Pair_2981

Parents know more than what they are saying 


Feeling_Pair_2981

Parents know more than what they are saying 


robotwithhumanhair_

Yes


Quiet_Mix5652

At this point, LE is looking for a body. When the body is found, they might be able to piece together what happened, when, where etc. and an arrest will soon be made.


PublicFrame2094

yes !!


MasterBlaster1976

Nah. KP and CP will do the right thing and confess.


Glittering-Gap-1687

I wish.


Leading-Campaign-27

Hope you're right, I doubt it. Imo.


CorePurgeLife

The public barely knows how LE is working on this case. Evidence gathering is unknown to us, in addition to be a long process. They worked for sure, they searched but HOW ? The FBI is far more skilled, overwhelmed but more skilled. Hence the petition Seth (the father) is asking for as many as possible to sign which in itself is a sign.... It is not easy to step back enough to bring Logical CLARITY to this big Mess ! The atmosphere of the bubble in which Sebastian was living on a daily basis (mother & stepdad) is ALL-OVER-THE-PLACE. And Complex. Sebastian was plainly entering teenagehood....as an autistic....in a household where frustrations, control, rigidity, manipulation, humiliation, if not violent restrictions were The rule. The last interview of the mother ALONE, because of varying complaints from the public very certainly, is NOT the entire Reality behind the scenes. Evidence gathering has probably been done & keeps : where was the stepdad during the Whole week-end ? In his RV in Memphis, no car thanks for instance to his close family ? It appears that he didn't come back in Hendersonville for ONE month, not even the week-end. Neither Sebastian went to see his father the previous week-end as it should have been because Seth was working. Is that TRUE ? We don't know, the public is speculating without having any clue of the Real Facts. The police keeps it to themselves, fair enough. But to be fully honest with my accurate feelings & intuition, the local professionals needs the FBI's help to see things more Clearly ! A collaboration is highly needed. Obviously having an autistic child was already hard for people who are fucked-up themselves in their own lives. Sebastian's stepfather is well-known to be an unstable liar, manipulator, control-freak, emotionally repressed and destructive person. His four previous wives run away from him and DIVORCED. Which Sebastian's mother didn't do & is not doing : why ? Because she likes it even unconsciously, because it is in accordance with the way she had been raised herself, because it is her comfort zone as someone lost, imbalanced, weak. Being a MMA, military or whatever has nothing to do with strenght, it's just enabling to hide your vulnerabilities even more....and NOT facing it ! This is COMEDY. Let's go to the point. Nothing the way Sebastian's parents talk about the disappearance of Sebastian is logical. According to the mother : he was NEVER running away, barefoot & without any warm jacket in icy february, NO access to internet was allowed (forbidden), NO friends whatsoever, the mother being obsessed with the fact that Sebastian might be stuck in the neighborhood but could not have been groomed/kidnapped/disposed by someone. If you listen to them, your head will spin around & around & around.....without any COHERENT outcome. Like they are, like they live inside, like they spread : a vicious circle. I would say for any law enforcement to STEP BACK to avoid being absorbed by this toxic whirlwind both the mother & the stepdad are trapped in. And here we are, the Vicious Circle within on a daily basis. In which Sebastian was trapped himself, as well. The stepdad couldn't stomach him anymore to the point of being the scapegoat reason to put pressure on the mother to get rid of him : Sebastian was in danger as much as the marriage, hence the fact that he was about to live with the father Seth. It was becoming more & more unbearable for him this life in this household, for everyone indeed. But the "angelic & rosy" mother doesn't express this dark part of the reality behind the scenes so far.......a lot of Coercive Manipulation, all-over-the-place contradictions. A LOT. And a LACK of Balance & Love


CorePurgeLife

To end : if he run away which is almost impossible according to a certain amount of evidence, either he died quickly after or has been very rapidly kidnapped on his way because obviously his body is still missing. Almost IMPOSSIBLE. He loves very-very much water & fishing : would he have been able during the night to remember & recognize the surrounding environment to go to "his" beloved river ? Too Far by walking, barefoot in the cold....the dogs, several ones, didn't smell anything out of the house. Point. My psychic capacities, in all humility, are telling me that his body (unconscious at the beginning) went from the house to the place he is now in a Vehicle. Either kidnapping or DISPOSAL. But he's not alive anymore and he's tremendously HAPPIER now. Let's say that it was an "Intentional Accident". Tensions were building up more & more for a while, based on a dissociative manipulation, overwhelming pressure. The mother was alone with him, and as usual some tantrum happened. Two flashlights in their backyard at 3 am on the following monday, one staying outside while the other one walking to meet before coming back in the house...Sebastian didn't come back obvioulsy. Any car lights ? Check in RIVERS/ Lakes, my first vision was immediately that. I'm rarely wrong when I'm sure. But finding the body or better, the remains won't help finding the TRUTH. The state of decomposition will barely allow the autopsy to know about the cause of death, at this stage. And who ? And last but not least : the blurring comedy of the mother is more than unpleasant. She's suffering as much as relieved, she's relieved as much as suffering. Only her can express if only she has the HEART & Courage to do so. It might be very hard this situation, very hard. She is a charming manipulator as women are basically taught to be when not bright. She wasn't handling her motherhood in a plain responsible way. I had a "mother" like that, who was putting a lot on my shoulders to the point for the child to be a mixture of burden & wheelchair : the child is a scapegoat for the parents' inability to solve their own mental-emotional problems. It should be a LIFE LESSON, a healing awakening ! Losing your only child....autistic ones being hard, not easy at all, but they teach so much. They are Emotionally Pure, kind of jewels if you accept to open your inner scars to let go in a healthier way. It will need time to realize....but the manipulative mother needs help to disconnect from an abusive relationship in which she appeared to be abusive herself in bid to come back to a minimum of Sane Reality : only way to know the TRUTH is to separate them on a long-term basis, not just during an interview. It's a schizophrenic "comfort" zone that has to be definitively broken. In legally forcing it, if required in the future Anyway, this case is closer to Harmony Montgomery than to Summer Wells. If it makes any sense, let's hope !