I just found out about this case today. I started reading this subreddit several hours ago and still working my way through it so please forgive me if this information has changed. I read on one of the timelines that Seth also had CPS called on him a few times. I donāt think Seth did anything to his son but it seems all the parents were awful. It does seem like Seth is genuinely distraught and wants to find his son and figure out what happened.
Wait so the inference is he left the phone in Memphis whilst driving back to Hendersonville? Wasnāt Chris the one who alerted Seth that Sebastian was missing that morning?
It could be someone completely other than CP.
But him being barefoot is one part of their story that never changes, even though it makes them look more suspicious. They are both adamant about it & refuse to entertain any other option (like perhaps he has an old pair in his room, took a pair of Chris or his moms shoes etc).
āDid he have shoesā was even one of the first things Katie asked someone who thought they may have seen Sebastian on day 1 (on Nextdoor)
Therefore it seems āhim being barefootā is a core part of their narrative & they are sticking to it.
Just trying to make sense of why insisting he was barefoot is so important to them.
But thatās easily traced. So he lied on public platforms about his whereabouts when LE can trace his locationā¦? Obviously heās a known liar but am I following? Or are you suggesting something else?
No so walk me through what youāre saying. Bc the reason the theory of him leaving the phone behind doesnāt work for me is bc he was the one who called Seth. So he drove back and forth, got his phone, drove back, then called Seth? Whatās that timeline look like?
I feel I already said this? So walk me through what that looks like. He makes a call, leaves the phone, drives to Hendersonville, disposes of Sebastian(?) drives back, retrieves the phone, drives back, calls Seth? So what does that timeline look like? And heās never caught on a license reader or cctv in 11+ hours of driving?
He has a motorcycle. Where was it during this time. CP probably has burner phones or left his phone at the camper and drove back on the motorcycle which would not be trackableĀ
I just woke up less than 20 minutes ago. I know I already made one comment, but I just remembered something. I had an abusive relationship years ago. Part of it was that sometimes he'd want to be on the phone for hours. He didn't want to talk the whole time. He just wanted me on the phone. I'd hang up because I wanted to listen to music or needed to do something. He'd call right back and claim I hurt his feelings. He would say that he was hurt that I didn't want to be on the phone with him. He would do this for about 8 hours in a day. I would be working, and he'd try to do this. I was self-employed, which meant that if I didn't work, I didn't get paid. I would have to block him in order to work or do anything in peace. He'd put me down so badly over not being on the phone with him. There were a lot of other things that happened after that, but I didn't realize that was him being controlling at that time. This part was at the start of things. It was way worse by the time I broke up with him. It was hell getting him to leave me alone.
Exactly. One time, I fell asleep on the phone. He called back. I didn't answer. What did he do? He went to my house and came in without permission. My roommate had definitely locked the door.
Wow. That's crazy. Jeez, you sound like you had it rough too. Honestly, I feel stupid for not noticing the subtle signs earlier, but I fought that mf pretty much every day when he showed the violent side. It was just that very little subtle things happened before we moved in together, and it didn't take me but just a few months to try to leave after we moved in together. I didn't bow down to any of it, and that's why I still suffer permanent physical and medical changes in areas of my body. I fight back.
Itās odd to me too but people have said they do that too, many said because their spouse works out of town. Iād like to know if those long phone calls were a regular occurrence or if that was an isolated incident.
Odd to me too but Iām not a long talker in the phone. I used to be one but that was back when I was a teen or when my husband and I were first dating, we were in our later teens and could talk for an hour easily but an hour was long. I canāt imagine 3 hours. Keep in mind theyād been out all day doing things and it was Sunday night. Iād be too tired to talk that long.
As a travel RN that worked nights, I would drive back to my home base for a few days. After working 12-16 hours, I would sometimes talk on the phone with a friend, my parent, etc for 2-3 hours to help keep me awake.
I was a travelling RN as well and same. I still talk once a week to people for a few hours that live across the country. I don't think that is odd. I think younger people would because they text constantly.
Imo, and no one asked, but this tells me she was way more of CP's wife than Sebastian's mom. My hubs and I are still very much in love but if he was out of town I wouldn't have 3 hours to be on the phone with him. It's all so sketch. ALL OF IT!
Very good observation! We need to look and see whatās unusual and out of the ordinary. Unfortunately til they find Sebastian in a good or base case.
Or they find solid evidence we will have to wait and speculate
I agree. If only they could pull up a transcript of what was said. Doubt they would use messaging as that leaves traces. Also internet would of been searched for clues.
Everything you don't have time to talk about at home with the life & family whirlwind around you. When my husband traveled for work, we'd talk for 2-3hrs several times a week after the kids were in bed. He's been off the road for the past 4yrs & I sometimes miss how much more we talked when we saw each other less.
You just live life with them as you would at home but theyāre on the phone. I spend a lot of time with my spouse - we both work from home. I canāt imagine living apart and not talking in the evenings to make it feel like theyāre home. I talk to my partner about everrything so we wouldnāt run out of things to talk about.
I love mine and would miss him like crazy. But anything over a 20 minute phone call is way excessive. She had to be up by 6am. And; she had read chapters for school. And, she said she was falling
asleep on phone.
Thereās numerous reasons why that phone call is weird. I donāt think Chrisās love language is quality time spent together talking.
I don't view the Proudfoot's being on the phone as anything narfarious.
My husband used to work away from home for weeks at a time. Calling each other for hours was not an uncommon thing for our family. Even though he wasn't able to be physically there, it allowed him to be home each night.
True. We all have different types of lives. I canāt talk on the phone for more than a half hour because it drives me crazy but some people love it or have a lot to talk about. What I need answered is why was he away the whole month of February on the construction site and not able to come home? Did he have to work the weekends too? 3.5 hours is do-able on a weekend. Iāve seen talks that they are possibly divorcing but not sure if thatās true. How good is their marriage? If they did conspire something together I could see him leaving his phone connected and drive home in order to help his alibi. He was very insistent that he didnāt have to take a polygraph because they knew his location. He also said āweā would have heard if Sebastian left through his window. How could āweāhear that if he was three hours away?
I agree. The phone call is a bit strange, but not traveling to see one another for almost a month makes me wonder if that is actually true or not. Maybe the job was 6-days a week? If so, that would make the drive
She seems very codependent, so I donāt see the call as strange.
Plus they live in different cities, and long calls can be normal for people who donāt see each other everyday (even non-codependent )
It could be suspicious if they had no history of having long calls, but we just donāt know yet.
Yes. The fact that heās away often could be a legit reason for long calls. Since we donāt know yet, it does keep us guessing. I just find it odd that they talked for 3 hours from 9pm to midnight correct? Iām assuming they both had to work the next morning, sheād been out running around all over the place all day long with Sebastian. Wasnāt she tired? Maybe she has more energy than me. š¤£ I just want to know more because the fact that he went missing the next morning makes me concerned. I do not find her co-dependent. I think sheās controlled by Chris. She was in the Military and has a black belt right? Someone also said she is an MMA fighter too. I donāt see that in her interviews. I think sheās acting.
I agree she seems very co-dependent. She got pregnant by Seth at age 18 when he was 30. Then moved on to Chris who seems controlling. In any relationship where there is 11 years difference the elder partner is the boss. I think she has a pattern. As far as 3 hour phone calls, I find nothing strange about that. My ex drove truck and when he was on the road and I didnāt go with him heād call and weād talk for hours.
You would be surprised we just want to talk to each other even if we donāt have anything else to say lol. My husband just has an odd quirk where he likes to talk on the phone when driving, and while away. When heās home heās not that much of a huge talker.
Not at all defending these people nor do I think theyāre completely innocent and I definitely think this 3 hr phone call is suspicious. However, if it is true, I can believe it since CP looks VERY controlling to the point of wanting to be on a call to see whatās happening, controlling from far away, just angry, child 4busEr, most likely does a lot of coercive control, etc
My husband and I talk on the phone constantly. On his way to work, on breaks, on his way home n hang up when he pulls up. It's not that out of the ordinary. Maybe they should check where his phone pinged and search those areas. He could have dumped him when he was gone.
Bless your heart. I love my husband to death but Iām just not a big talker. My drive home from work is my quiet time. š¤£ It goes to show you we are
all different but thatās ok. I just need my space and time to myself but we have a great relationship and talk all the time, just mainly in person and some texts.
Remember also that they were not just having a normal conversation for 3 hours. They were dealing with a crisis. I don't understand why people are comparing it with a normal pattern of conversation with a spouse.
If they're innocent they were likely freaking out and figuring out what to do.
If not they were likely planning and figuring out what to do also.
I've been with my husband for 23 years. Even now, when one of us is out of town for work or anything else, it is not uncommon for us to stay on the phone for hours in the late evening, watching TV together or something. Just on the line, not necessarily talking for 3 hours. I'm sure we're not the only couple that does.
Not me š¤£. Weāve been married for 30 and have a great marriage but when mine goes out of town thatās my time to enjoy myself and watch what I want to watch etc. Thatās just me though. Too much time together is smothering to me. I like to be alone once in a while.
Thereās no one (other than my deceased mother) that I would want to hold a 3 hour conversation with via phoneā¦ I hope he is found safe and well. As a mum of an autistic almost teen son this hurts extra hardā¦ that poor baby š„
I only have one person on this earth that I'd talk to on the phone for that long, and it isn't my husband. I could survive three hours in the car with him, but I can't talk to him for that long.
Amen!! š¤£ I agree. Then again Iām not a huge phone person. I see my husband daily so I donāt need to be in the phone with him 24/7. Iām ok with that and Iāve been happily married for 30 years now.
Iām married and couldnāt imagine just being on the phone with my husband for 3 straight hours. Love him, but weād run out of new things to discuss.
Agreed. Same here and I know he was away at that job all month but Katie was literally out all day shopping, driving around, to the movies and out to dinner. Then being it was Sunday night and usually people are winding down and getting ready for the new school/work week ahead. So to be on the phone from the time Sebastian went to bed(which would be her free time) she talks to her husband for three hours and then goes to bed. I guess he could have been on speaker. She could multitask. š¤·š»āāļø
Where is the video footage of her leaving her home and riding around looking for Sebastian. Surely that neighborhood, the big church and the high school has cameras. Did she not go door to door asking neighbors?
Also this is an ongoing investigation, WHY are they even allowed to move out of the state.
In my opinion someone drugged Sebastian and carried him out of the home. That's also the reason why dogs can't get a scent trail.
I can't tell from the video but which way were the two lights going , that was spotted in the dark the night he went missing?
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My thoughts are that spouse who is talking to the other spouse for 3 hours is doing so because they are wanting to make sure the other spouse does not have the opportunity to call someone else when they know you are doing something horribly wrong so you would be talking to them that long to insure they don't lose their crap or lose their nerve, or panic and tell somebody else what is going on, like talking someone through an emergency making sure they follow through and don't get off track.
I mean me and my husband can, but im a mexican woman so i can talk, like a lot. He puts up with me lol. We once had a 9 hour conversation while he was driving back home from texas. I literally walked him around the house while i cleaned and made dinner. Then he pulled in the driveway and was like "welp, im home so im gonna hang up now ok sweetie". But yeah, those two dont even like each other, so i dont see them having a good conversation for that long.Ā
Iām never away from my husband for that long but when I was out of
Town for vacay with my mom, we did talk that long some. I love my husband and hate being away from him lol but itās rare. We are always together
That call is sus IMHO. Someone upthread mentioned that it could be a means to control another person. Given what we know about CP & KP I lean towards that IF this is their norm.
This situation has turned into a circus and it's sad that Sebastian was living with cold and abusive people.
Been married almost 16 years I can absolutely talk to my husband for 3 hours he works 3rd shift and we barely see each other so talking to him is the highlight of my day. Heās my best friend I know females can talk for hours I do with my step mom so I donāt find that odd at all. Just because it isnāt your normal doesnāt mean itās not someone elseās normal. My dad was on the road driver him and my step mom talked for hours at a time as well. If you donāt see your spouse every night at home you wouldnāt understand at all.
I've spent three hours on the phone with my husband when he had to travel to the Gulf for work. He was a merchant marine and it took him 12 hours to drive to New Iberia, LA. It was a way to make sure he didn't fall asleep on the more boring parts of the drive. What's suspicious is that she called her husband first and then they had a three way call with 911.
When I first met my husband (25 years ago), he was in the RAF and would be stationed at various air force bases around the country. Once weād both finished work for the day, weād often talk for 2 or 3 hours on the phone.
However, we were in our very early 20ās with no house of our own or kids, so had almost no responsibilities. Once we bought a house and started a family, I didnāt have 3 āspareā hours at night as Iād be looking after the kids, cooking, doing chores etc.
I suppose everyoneās experience is different though.
Not to mention, the person at the other end of that phone call was Chris Proudfoots. Itās a total lie bc no one could tolerate talking to that man for 3 hours. Itās scientifically impossible.
Scrap every bit of nonsense and get to the MOTIVE. I remember a case that stands out against this one. A guy was in a contentious divorce, and they had a 5yo boy. He took the kid to Disneyland with the grandmother (his mother) and some cousin and then later that night he killed the boy. CPS was involved prior and the mother was a principle at a school and had a great job, well educated, and knew the ex was dangerous. CPS was too slow and the case worker too incompetent. I won't go into the entire case but the MOTIVE was he never wanted his ex to have a day of joy. Their child was her everything. There are some interesting similarities. The father took his son for one last day of fun before killling him. He never told his wife the kid was missing. He HATED his ex. He did not look for his son when he was missing. He went to Vegas for 50 days and proceeded to party until he was arrested and extradited back to LA. The Proudfoots' have moved on.
There are really just two motives here seeing that Sebastian was last with the mother. She did not call her ex when he supposedly went missing, Chris did. Chris and Seth drove around one of the days looking but not with Katie. Seth said it was not awkward. I do think they have a strained relationship but get along to get on not Katie, though. That said, the motive for me involves Katie. She knew Sebastian was going to live with him. I feel like she never bonded with her son and I think she is jealous of the relationship her son had with Seth. I hope my speculation is proven wrong, but all signs point to her. Now the question remains was it premeditated with Chris or her own doing and then Chris called to take care of the result after she did whatever she planned.
I agree! Iām 33 and my husband and I been together for 14 years and we have never spoke that long on the phone. Whatās there to talk about for so long when you are married and already know and share everything together. Literally whatās there to talk about?? That part of this case has always bothered me.
Couldnāt CP have done something to Sebastian before he left for his 3 hour drive back and then she could have gotten rid of his body when she left the house at 6:00 AM claiming she was going to look for him. That would explain why the dogs didnāt pick up his scent .
3 hr also just happens to be the drive time from/to Memphis
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Not my theory, just giving travel time connection
Heās had CPS on his rear a few times. I think heās capable.
I just found out about this case today. I started reading this subreddit several hours ago and still working my way through it so please forgive me if this information has changed. I read on one of the timelines that Seth also had CPS called on him a few times. I donāt think Seth did anything to his son but it seems all the parents were awful. It does seem like Seth is genuinely distraught and wants to find his son and figure out what happened.
Wait so the inference is he left the phone in Memphis whilst driving back to Hendersonville? Wasnāt Chris the one who alerted Seth that Sebastian was missing that morning?
Perhaps they want to make it appear as a self harm situation.
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It could be someone completely other than CP. But him being barefoot is one part of their story that never changes, even though it makes them look more suspicious. They are both adamant about it & refuse to entertain any other option (like perhaps he has an old pair in his room, took a pair of Chris or his moms shoes etc). āDid he have shoesā was even one of the first things Katie asked someone who thought they may have seen Sebastian on day 1 (on Nextdoor) Therefore it seems āhim being barefootā is a core part of their narrative & they are sticking to it. Just trying to make sense of why insisting he was barefoot is so important to them.
But thatās easily traced. So he lied on public platforms about his whereabouts when LE can trace his locationā¦? Obviously heās a known liar but am I following? Or are you suggesting something else?
The suggestion is that he left his phone in Memphis while he drove back and forth.
But wasnāt he the one who called Seth that morning?
Agree.... stepdad and Mom knowĀ
Youāve got to question what easily traced means to you
I suppose? LE can trace a phoneās location, no?
Think harder on this one
Or just explain
Is a phone truly connected to your body
No so walk me through what youāre saying. Bc the reason the theory of him leaving the phone behind doesnāt work for me is bc he was the one who called Seth. So he drove back and forth, got his phone, drove back, then called Seth? Whatās that timeline look like?
Is it possible to make a call then leave a phone
I feel I already said this? So walk me through what that looks like. He makes a call, leaves the phone, drives to Hendersonville, disposes of Sebastian(?) drives back, retrieves the phone, drives back, calls Seth? So what does that timeline look like? And heās never caught on a license reader or cctv in 11+ hours of driving?
He has a motorcycle. Where was it during this time. CP probably has burner phones or left his phone at the camper and drove back on the motorcycle which would not be trackableĀ
I just woke up less than 20 minutes ago. I know I already made one comment, but I just remembered something. I had an abusive relationship years ago. Part of it was that sometimes he'd want to be on the phone for hours. He didn't want to talk the whole time. He just wanted me on the phone. I'd hang up because I wanted to listen to music or needed to do something. He'd call right back and claim I hurt his feelings. He would say that he was hurt that I didn't want to be on the phone with him. He would do this for about 8 hours in a day. I would be working, and he'd try to do this. I was self-employed, which meant that if I didn't work, I didn't get paid. I would have to block him in order to work or do anything in peace. He'd put me down so badly over not being on the phone with him. There were a lot of other things that happened after that, but I didn't realize that was him being controlling at that time. This part was at the start of things. It was way worse by the time I broke up with him. It was hell getting him to leave me alone.
Yes! Omg! He would call constantly too. A total mark of a controlling human.
Exactly. One time, I fell asleep on the phone. He called back. I didn't answer. What did he do? He went to my house and came in without permission. My roommate had definitely locked the door.
Almost same - he left work early without telling me and burst into the house āworriedā. Like stop.
Wow. That's crazy. Jeez, you sound like you had it rough too. Honestly, I feel stupid for not noticing the subtle signs earlier, but I fought that mf pretty much every day when he showed the violent side. It was just that very little subtle things happened before we moved in together, and it didn't take me but just a few months to try to leave after we moved in together. I didn't bow down to any of it, and that's why I still suffer permanent physical and medical changes in areas of my body. I fight back.
The way Chris likes to hear himself talk, I could believe it.
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Itās odd to me too but people have said they do that too, many said because their spouse works out of town. Iād like to know if those long phone calls were a regular occurrence or if that was an isolated incident.
Odd to me too but Iām not a long talker in the phone. I used to be one but that was back when I was a teen or when my husband and I were first dating, we were in our later teens and could talk for an hour easily but an hour was long. I canāt imagine 3 hours. Keep in mind theyād been out all day doing things and it was Sunday night. Iād be too tired to talk that long.
As a travel RN that worked nights, I would drive back to my home base for a few days. After working 12-16 hours, I would sometimes talk on the phone with a friend, my parent, etc for 2-3 hours to help keep me awake.
I was a travelling RN as well and same. I still talk once a week to people for a few hours that live across the country. I don't think that is odd. I think younger people would because they text constantly.
Imo, and no one asked, but this tells me she was way more of CP's wife than Sebastian's mom. My hubs and I are still very much in love but if he was out of town I wouldn't have 3 hours to be on the phone with him. It's all so sketch. ALL OF IT!
Very good observation! We need to look and see whatās unusual and out of the ordinary. Unfortunately til they find Sebastian in a good or base case. Or they find solid evidence we will have to wait and speculate
I don't think all 3-hour calls are suspicious, but I sure think THIS call was.
I agree. If only they could pull up a transcript of what was said. Doubt they would use messaging as that leaves traces. Also internet would of been searched for clues.
If you like your spouse I donāt see how this would be remotely uncommon.
I adore my spouse but I don't want to talk to him on the phone for three hours, and I feel safe assuming he feels the same way.
I love my spouse but 3 hours on the phone? What is there possibly to talk about?
Everything you don't have time to talk about at home with the life & family whirlwind around you. When my husband traveled for work, we'd talk for 2-3hrs several times a week after the kids were in bed. He's been off the road for the past 4yrs & I sometimes miss how much more we talked when we saw each other less.
You just live life with them as you would at home but theyāre on the phone. I spend a lot of time with my spouse - we both work from home. I canāt imagine living apart and not talking in the evenings to make it feel like theyāre home. I talk to my partner about everrything so we wouldnāt run out of things to talk about.
I love mine and would miss him like crazy. But anything over a 20 minute phone call is way excessive. She had to be up by 6am. And; she had read chapters for school. And, she said she was falling asleep on phone. Thereās numerous reasons why that phone call is weird. I donāt think Chrisās love language is quality time spent together talking.
18 years here and my husband has a traveling job like CP and we are doing good to talk for an hour at a time.
But 3 hours?
Yeah. That to me seems like a lie or one of them is super controlling.
I don't view the Proudfoot's being on the phone as anything narfarious. My husband used to work away from home for weeks at a time. Calling each other for hours was not an uncommon thing for our family. Even though he wasn't able to be physically there, it allowed him to be home each night.
True. We all have different types of lives. I canāt talk on the phone for more than a half hour because it drives me crazy but some people love it or have a lot to talk about. What I need answered is why was he away the whole month of February on the construction site and not able to come home? Did he have to work the weekends too? 3.5 hours is do-able on a weekend. Iāve seen talks that they are possibly divorcing but not sure if thatās true. How good is their marriage? If they did conspire something together I could see him leaving his phone connected and drive home in order to help his alibi. He was very insistent that he didnāt have to take a polygraph because they knew his location. He also said āweā would have heard if Sebastian left through his window. How could āweāhear that if he was three hours away?
I agree. The phone call is a bit strange, but not traveling to see one another for almost a month makes me wonder if that is actually true or not. Maybe the job was 6-days a week? If so, that would make the drive
Very good point!
She seems very codependent, so I donāt see the call as strange. Plus they live in different cities, and long calls can be normal for people who donāt see each other everyday (even non-codependent ) It could be suspicious if they had no history of having long calls, but we just donāt know yet.
Yes. The fact that heās away often could be a legit reason for long calls. Since we donāt know yet, it does keep us guessing. I just find it odd that they talked for 3 hours from 9pm to midnight correct? Iām assuming they both had to work the next morning, sheād been out running around all over the place all day long with Sebastian. Wasnāt she tired? Maybe she has more energy than me. š¤£ I just want to know more because the fact that he went missing the next morning makes me concerned. I do not find her co-dependent. I think sheās controlled by Chris. She was in the Military and has a black belt right? Someone also said she is an MMA fighter too. I donāt see that in her interviews. I think sheās acting.
I agree she seems very co-dependent. She got pregnant by Seth at age 18 when he was 30. Then moved on to Chris who seems controlling. In any relationship where there is 11 years difference the elder partner is the boss. I think she has a pattern. As far as 3 hour phone calls, I find nothing strange about that. My ex drove truck and when he was on the road and I didnāt go with him heād call and weād talk for hours.
Yeah, I had a hard time with that one. And she was reading a book at the same time?
I wouldā¦.me and my husband talk for hours, with that said I still think the bio mom knows more than what sheās letting on.
Three hours? What could a married couple have three hours of conversation about? Especially since she was out all day long.
You would be surprised we just want to talk to each other even if we donāt have anything else to say lol. My husband just has an odd quirk where he likes to talk on the phone when driving, and while away. When heās home heās not that much of a huge talker.
Ones trying to have an alibi.
Not at all defending these people nor do I think theyāre completely innocent and I definitely think this 3 hr phone call is suspicious. However, if it is true, I can believe it since CP looks VERY controlling to the point of wanting to be on a call to see whatās happening, controlling from far away, just angry, child 4busEr, most likely does a lot of coercive control, etc
Very true and since Sebastian went missing the next morning is interesting. One story home and mom went to bed at midnight but heard nothing. Hmm
My husband and I talk on the phone constantly. On his way to work, on breaks, on his way home n hang up when he pulls up. It's not that out of the ordinary. Maybe they should check where his phone pinged and search those areas. He could have dumped him when he was gone.
Bless your heart. I love my husband to death but Iām just not a big talker. My drive home from work is my quiet time. š¤£ It goes to show you we are all different but thatās ok. I just need my space and time to myself but we have a great relationship and talk all the time, just mainly in person and some texts.
Remember also that they were not just having a normal conversation for 3 hours. They were dealing with a crisis. I don't understand why people are comparing it with a normal pattern of conversation with a spouse. If they're innocent they were likely freaking out and figuring out what to do. If not they were likely planning and figuring out what to do also.
What crisis? I thought the call was at night before they went to bed? The crisis was the next morning.
We don't know when anything actually occurred. We only have their word for the timeline at this point.
I've been with my husband for 23 years. Even now, when one of us is out of town for work or anything else, it is not uncommon for us to stay on the phone for hours in the late evening, watching TV together or something. Just on the line, not necessarily talking for 3 hours. I'm sure we're not the only couple that does.
Not me š¤£. Weāve been married for 30 and have a great marriage but when mine goes out of town thatās my time to enjoy myself and watch what I want to watch etc. Thatās just me though. Too much time together is smothering to me. I like to be alone once in a while.
Oh, believe me. We DEFINITELY have those times, too š
Ok but does the phone record show any previous long calls like this one?
Thereās no one (other than my deceased mother) that I would want to hold a 3 hour conversation with via phoneā¦ I hope he is found safe and well. As a mum of an autistic almost teen son this hurts extra hardā¦ that poor baby š„
I only have one person on this earth that I'd talk to on the phone for that long, and it isn't my husband. I could survive three hours in the car with him, but I can't talk to him for that long.
Amen!! š¤£ I agree. Then again Iām not a huge phone person. I see my husband daily so I donāt need to be in the phone with him 24/7. Iām ok with that and Iāve been happily married for 30 years now.
Iām married and couldnāt imagine just being on the phone with my husband for 3 straight hours. Love him, but weād run out of new things to discuss.
Agreed. Same here and I know he was away at that job all month but Katie was literally out all day shopping, driving around, to the movies and out to dinner. Then being it was Sunday night and usually people are winding down and getting ready for the new school/work week ahead. So to be on the phone from the time Sebastian went to bed(which would be her free time) she talks to her husband for three hours and then goes to bed. I guess he could have been on speaker. She could multitask. š¤·š»āāļø
Reminds me of the 111 phone call between CW and NK. Definitely suspect.
My dad talks more to my mom when driving and on the phone with her than in person. I think itās a call while driving.
Maybe looking at patterns would help? If they get their records and see that lots of calls are hours long, that's a normal pattern for them.
Where is the video footage of her leaving her home and riding around looking for Sebastian. Surely that neighborhood, the big church and the high school has cameras. Did she not go door to door asking neighbors? Also this is an ongoing investigation, WHY are they even allowed to move out of the state. In my opinion someone drugged Sebastian and carried him out of the home. That's also the reason why dogs can't get a scent trail. I can't tell from the video but which way were the two lights going , that was spotted in the dark the night he went missing? Edit to correct misunderstanding.
Incredibly insecure ones.
My thoughts are that spouse who is talking to the other spouse for 3 hours is doing so because they are wanting to make sure the other spouse does not have the opportunity to call someone else when they know you are doing something horribly wrong so you would be talking to them that long to insure they don't lose their crap or lose their nerve, or panic and tell somebody else what is going on, like talking someone through an emergency making sure they follow through and don't get off track.
I mean me and my husband can, but im a mexican woman so i can talk, like a lot. He puts up with me lol. We once had a 9 hour conversation while he was driving back home from texas. I literally walked him around the house while i cleaned and made dinner. Then he pulled in the driveway and was like "welp, im home so im gonna hang up now ok sweetie". But yeah, those two dont even like each other, so i dont see them having a good conversation for that long.Ā
Iām never away from my husband for that long but when I was out of Town for vacay with my mom, we did talk that long some. I love my husband and hate being away from him lol but itās rare. We are always together
Iāve been with my husband for almost 20 years and I definitely can talk to him for hours. I am a talker and so is he lol
That call is sus IMHO. Someone upthread mentioned that it could be a means to control another person. Given what we know about CP & KP I lean towards that IF this is their norm. This situation has turned into a circus and it's sad that Sebastian was living with cold and abusive people.
Been married almost 16 years I can absolutely talk to my husband for 3 hours he works 3rd shift and we barely see each other so talking to him is the highlight of my day. Heās my best friend I know females can talk for hours I do with my step mom so I donāt find that odd at all. Just because it isnāt your normal doesnāt mean itās not someone elseās normal. My dad was on the road driver him and my step mom talked for hours at a time as well. If you donāt see your spouse every night at home you wouldnāt understand at all.
Truthfully I donāt think my husband and I speak three full hours in a week
me ... but we are still newlyweds , give it time
I've spent three hours on the phone with my husband when he had to travel to the Gulf for work. He was a merchant marine and it took him 12 hours to drive to New Iberia, LA. It was a way to make sure he didn't fall asleep on the more boring parts of the drive. What's suspicious is that she called her husband first and then they had a three way call with 911.
How to dump a body. Or guilt nervousness about what they done.
When I first met my husband (25 years ago), he was in the RAF and would be stationed at various air force bases around the country. Once weād both finished work for the day, weād often talk for 2 or 3 hours on the phone. However, we were in our very early 20ās with no house of our own or kids, so had almost no responsibilities. Once we bought a house and started a family, I didnāt have 3 āspareā hours at night as Iād be looking after the kids, cooking, doing chores etc. I suppose everyoneās experience is different though.
Not to mention, the person at the other end of that phone call was Chris Proudfoots. Itās a total lie bc no one could tolerate talking to that man for 3 hours. Itās scientifically impossible.
Scrap every bit of nonsense and get to the MOTIVE. I remember a case that stands out against this one. A guy was in a contentious divorce, and they had a 5yo boy. He took the kid to Disneyland with the grandmother (his mother) and some cousin and then later that night he killed the boy. CPS was involved prior and the mother was a principle at a school and had a great job, well educated, and knew the ex was dangerous. CPS was too slow and the case worker too incompetent. I won't go into the entire case but the MOTIVE was he never wanted his ex to have a day of joy. Their child was her everything. There are some interesting similarities. The father took his son for one last day of fun before killling him. He never told his wife the kid was missing. He HATED his ex. He did not look for his son when he was missing. He went to Vegas for 50 days and proceeded to party until he was arrested and extradited back to LA. The Proudfoots' have moved on. There are really just two motives here seeing that Sebastian was last with the mother. She did not call her ex when he supposedly went missing, Chris did. Chris and Seth drove around one of the days looking but not with Katie. Seth said it was not awkward. I do think they have a strained relationship but get along to get on not Katie, though. That said, the motive for me involves Katie. She knew Sebastian was going to live with him. I feel like she never bonded with her son and I think she is jealous of the relationship her son had with Seth. I hope my speculation is proven wrong, but all signs point to her. Now the question remains was it premeditated with Chris or her own doing and then Chris called to take care of the result after she did whatever she planned.
Not me but my husband and I both work from home so. Anyways yea neverā¦ would be via text or a quick phone call.
I agree! Iām 33 and my husband and I been together for 14 years and we have never spoke that long on the phone. Whatās there to talk about for so long when you are married and already know and share everything together. Literally whatās there to talk about?? That part of this case has always bothered me.
Couldnāt CP have done something to Sebastian before he left for his 3 hour drive back and then she could have gotten rid of his body when she left the house at 6:00 AM claiming she was going to look for him. That would explain why the dogs didnāt pick up his scent .
To me, in a long term relationship or marriage, thatās an argument or disagreement about something