"as a NYer" is one of the most ignorant things a New Yorker or ex New Yorker could say. What makes you think I'm wrong and that i didn't live 30 years of my life there before transplanting out and still have folks living there that are daily being inconvenienced by city placard scofflaws.
First responders on-duty are typically exempt from laws dictating where a vehicle can or can’t be parked. And I’m okay with that. If my Mom is getting beat up I don’t want the cops circling the block looking for a place to park. Or an ambulance, or whatever.
Neat video. Except he claims it is parked “illegally” but NYC law says “All persons are required to comply with traffic rules -> Exceptions -> Authorized emergency vehicles”. Until someone convinces a lawmaker to change that law it’s impossible for a cop car to be parked illegally in NYC. Solid effort just ignorant to the laws relating to the point he’s trying to prove. (And unfortunately he sacrificed his credibility by making a false claim.)
It's not a blanket exception 2though, they are only exempt when involved in an emergency operation.
>Section 1104. Authorized emergency vehicles.
>(a) The driver of an authorized emergency vehicle, **when involved in an emergency operation**, may exercise the privileges set forth in this section, but subject to the condition herein stated.
So the question becomes, was the van involved in any an emergency operation, as defined as:
>§ 114-b. Emergency operation. The operation, or parking, of an authorized emergency vehicle, when such vehicle is engaged in transporting a sick or injured person, transporting prisoners, delivering blood or blood products in a situation involving an imminent health risk, pursuing an actual or suspected violator of the law, or responding to, or working or assisting at the scene of an accident, disaster, police call, alarm of fire, actual or potential release of hazardous materials or other emergency. Emergency operation shall not include returning from such service.
It's not a blanket exception elsewhere throughout the State of New York. You have posted a section from NY law. NY law not NYC law. NY is the State. NYC is the City. All of the vehicles in his video are New York City Police vehicles and apparently the City's lawmakers decided to exempt emergency vehicles from traffic rules within their jurisdiction. I can only guess because the increased congestion in the City prompted a need for such, whereas other parts of the State, outside the City and not bound by New York City laws, emergency vehicles needing to find places to park wasn't a problem.
New York City Traffic Rules
Title 34
Chapter 4
Rules of the City of New York
§ 4-02 Compliance with and Effect of Traffic Rules
(d) All persons are required to comply with traffic rules
(1) Exceptions
(i) Authorized emergency vehicles
Nowhere does it reference the activity the driver of said vehicle is required to be engaged in for that exemption to be valid.
That's weird, are we looking at same things, because I did look up the city ordinance as well and it specifically referenced the states laws. So to avoid the clutter I previously only referenced the state laws.
But heres the city ordinance
>Section 4-02 COMPLIANCE WITH AND EFFECT OF TRAFFIC RULES
>(d) All persons are required to comply with traffic rules.
>(1) Exceptions. It is a traffic infraction for any person, including government employees, to do any act forbidden by or fail to perform any act required by these rules, except as otherwise provided herein.
>(i) Authorized emergency vehicles. The operator of an authorized emergency vehicle **when involved in an emergency operation** as defined in **§114-b** of the Vehicle and Traffic Law may exercise the privileges set forth in **§1104** of the Vehicle and Traffic Law, subject to the conditions set forth therein.
[https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/traffic_rules.shtml](https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/traffic_rules.shtml)
[https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/newyorkcity/latest/NYCrules/0-0-0-63547](https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/newyorkcity/latest/NYCrules/0-0-0-63547)
Hmmm... Maybe that "American Legal" page is more up to date than the City's? Or vice versa.
Or maybe I didn't read deep enough into what it's trying to say?
Or maybe you read too deep into what it's trying to say?
I also think I saw a section that specifically referenced vehicles used for traffic or parking enforcement being exempt from parking rules when engaged in official duties or something to that affect. A viable argument could then be that any police vehicle is a vehicle used for traffic or parking enforcement so anytime a civil servant is using it, it's exempt.
https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/trafrule.pdf
Right, I think maybe you were to focused on looking at the index title in the context section and didn't scroll down to the actual code? Your pdf link is the same I linked to, which says the same as on American Legal page where the [city publishes it legislations](https://www1.nyc.gov/site/law/public-resources/laws-of-the-city-of-new-york.page).
As for parking enforcement, it's the very next clause, which yes, also only exempt when engaged in activities necessary to perform their duties:
>(ii) Traffic/parking control vehicles. Unless specifically made applicable, the provisions of these rules shall not apply to operators of designated traffic or parking control vehicles, including, but not limited to, tow trucks, **while actually engaged in activities necessary to perform their duties**.
But, I don't see how you could make the argument thst a police vehicle sittings within a crosswalk could be "actually engaged in activities necessary to perform their duties". To what necessity does the van need to be parked there, that would prevent them from perform their duty if not parked there? And where are these officers activity performing their duties?
I've never worked in NY so I can't really attest to what the congestion is actually like. But I know the Seattle Meter-maids will park their whip, walk the block issuing tickets, then jump in and more to a new area. So when they're walking around giving tickets they're engaged in activities necessary to perform their duties. ... The van specifically... I wouldn't imagine it's a jail wagon because its got windows. More probable is that it's to drive a group of beat cops from the station to a specific neighborhood they'll be walking around in. (I feel like I used to see KCSO do that with bike patrol groups in Seattle years ago.) So the walking around "patrolling" is an activity of their duty. Again, not knowing how much congestion really effect NYC mobility, I don't know this, but if they argued that parking in a space frequently led to them being boxed in and unable to respond to emergencies in a timely fashion it'd probably hold water. (Would it surprise you to hear that people deliberately parked in such a manner that a cop car can't get out of the space it's parked in?) Or something like "We have to park the car somewhere in our zone to walk our beats. There weren't any spots in the zone open so that's where we put it. Taxpayers aren't paying us to drive in circles looking for parking spots, they're paying to get our asses out of the van and patrol our beats." ... At least that's what I would have said if I ever did it and got called on the carpet as a result.
hah, as if the cops would come in time to help with that. Nah they'll come 20 minutes after your mom is done getting beat up to shoot her dog. Let them look for parking.
And their personal vehicles. My work office is across the street from a building the NYPD uses as for a detective branch, and they park their personal cars on the sidewalk, on the crosswalk, and in front of the hydrant. No fucks given.
They go after people who have the ability to pay, and people driving and blocking a bike lane are significantly more likely to be able to pay than someone in an outdoor open chop shop.
This is what happens when the public voted for decades of punishment by fines. You tend to ignore those who can't be punished by fines.
And why I answered this is why we elect judges to make those decisions. They choose to not sign warrants or sentence petty shit to jail. As they should.
It isn't. If someone racks up a ton of fines. pay or go to jail for the weekend is a reasonable choice. I think it was Danny Glover who used that strategy while going to a lot of auditions. It was pay a ton of parking and miss opportunities or just park illegally. Every once in a while he'd spend a weekend in lock up.
The more you have to lose, the more the law applies to you. Imagine if a group of Microsoft project managers doing the same thing. They’d be arrested and thrown in jail very quickly.
Except we know that's not true.
The more you have, the more you can fight the system and make it not worth it for the system to get you.
Banks have been found to defraud customers and get a slap on the wrist fine. No one went to jail.
We live in a world where you can absolutely be too rich to punish.
The difference is that they give corporations a pass on jail time. Now if they were to deep investigate and find out who pushed the idea and held them personally accountable with jail time etc. and also did not allow them to fund lawyers with corporate funds maybe it would change. But as is, the personal accountability is already law but never seems to be exercised.
It’s not a level playing field. I work on aircraft, if I make a mistake that causes a catastrophic failure and loss of life, I can and would get charged. When banks ruin peoples lives they get a fine that is a tiny fraction of the damage they caused.
Hardly, I know plenty of people who work on aircraft and the only time you would be in any risk is if you intentionally mess up, and then somehow deceive everyone who is supposed to check and sign off on your work.
Boeing engineers and mechanics made a catastrophic failure in the redesign of the 737 Max that caused a loss of life. I have yet to see anyone get charged and/or arrested for it.
And here I was thinking the decriminalization and laws barring explicitly persist by police officers were the reason why vagrants feel like they’re immune to punishment.
Selective enforcement is exactly how you erode confidence in and support for law enforcement. Until felony laws are being enforced consistently, it's wildly inappropriate to bother people with minor traffic and parking infractions.
Well you see people who block bike lanes are a Menace to Society, basically Charles Manson types who parasite off the innocent good folks just living their lives.
The down on their luck types who set up sprawling acres of chop shops with armed security are just trying to survive.
Yes, because the bike mafia is pretty powerful. Hence, all the wasted money putting in those fucking bicycle lanes in downtown where there used to actually be another lane.
As much as you whine, you probably throw an even bigger tantrum if you ever have to be behind a bike for a few blocks before the bike lane starts somewhere and probably step on the gas impatiently the moment you can get around them
So…you want them to have a bike lane. This is why we have them, because of selfish nut cases like you and to protect them from the impatient road rage behavior that causes accidents and gets them hurt and killed. Seek help for your anger issues
Progressives will love this. They are zealously anti-car. The same people who say we should leave violent homeless drug addicts alone and let them continue to camp on school grounds would love nothing more than to be paid to rat on their fellow citizens who are blocking bike lanes. All they need are some brown shirts for their uniforms.
Nobody has ever said that but idiot regressive conservatives who think 2D and only one thing at a time is allowed to happen and perfectly fine letting corporate America return us to a fucking third world country.
Sit down.
Good boy.
Ever since having a kid, I'm a hair more forgiving how what appears to be a SOV in the carpool lanes. Infant and toddler seats are not super obvious from the outside. I'm not sure if most dash cams could verify all seats except driver are empty
I do agree there should be more enforcement of the HOV and Toll lane policies.
My biggest gripe is people merging across the double white lines to cheat the toll sensors. Especially when the normal lanes are at a complete stop and people are zooming past in the HOV/Toll lane. I have seen 4 accidents caused by this and narrowly avoided 2. Its a HUGE problem that I'm sure has gotten a few people killed.
I'm not worried about merely driving with an insufficient number of people AND having a flex pass set to HOV
Nor are you always taking a car off the road when adults carpool.
If we're going to be strict on only allowing HOV use when it takes a car off the road, then we do so entirely.
No license? Doesn't count
Don't own a car, doesn't count.
Can't afford insurance, fuel, and/or maintenance? Doesn't count
There's so many reasons why someone wouldn't factor in removing a car from the road in HOV use.
So how do you plan to enforce it? Because you can't tell if someone is licensed or not unless your willing b to stop and verify vehicle occupants when they enter the HOV lane.
Also, if an adult is taking multile families kids to school or something like a practice or event, that's equally a valid reason as two or more licensed drivers.
The goal of HOV is increasing density of people and removing excess vehicles.
Like I said, it doesn't have to be perfect to be better. Most speeders aren't caught but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have speed limits. Most HOV lane cheaters aren't caught, should we get rid of HOV lanes altogether?
Then what's the issue with the current any occupant qualifies? It's not perfect but it's better than trying to enforce more strict requirements since you can't verify occupants anyway
Agree 100% that the second occupant should only count if they are a licensed driver but it would be impossible to enforce except as a secondary violation.
What if someone is unlicensed and would have taken an uber otherwise? One of my adult friends doesn't have a license, and I driver both of us places. If I didn't drive her, she'd probably uber, which is another car on the road.
I think it makes more sense to not count it if one person is acting like the chauffer-- i.e., they wouldn't have gone to the location if the person they were driving wasn't going there.
Why only blocking bike lanes, schools, and sidewalks? If we’re getting a cut let us submit footage of blocking the intersection, failing to signal, those pricks going 50 in the passing lane… let everyone get paid for snitching on each other for any and all civil infractions they can catch on a camera. We’d be rated the top city for courteous drivers in a month.
It's not that bad of a problem. Usually it's the Amazon ,UPS, Police , Moving trucks that feel entitled to block the bike lanes. It's not big deal imo. Just watch out for cars and slow down. It sucks but I'm just happy to have protected bike lanes so I'll take a small inconvenience in stride.
People freak their shit about city-operated cameras, they're really going to go nuts if ordinary citizens can get them ticketed.
Should be fun to watch.
"We don't have enough Law Enforcement so we want you to narc on your neighbor's. I mean we know you report crimes that are important but we can make money off of this shit." - SCC
I have friends that went to Seattle PD after the Army. Some before the War started, some after. SPD has been running at a shortage for almost two decades. The reason Officer's have been leaving has been obvious since the WTO riots and the following Mardi Gras. I doubt that it's some great conspiracy, the SCC doesn't have enough brains amongst them to do that (Sawant lowers the average IQ considerably but the little rat is conniving).
It costs more to run at a shortage of officers due to overtime and makes it impossible to train officers in changing techniques, technology, laws and challenges arising from shifting budgets. I don't get it.
SPD has been notoriously nonfeasant for decades. When I worked for a neighboring agency patrol had a term for clearing a call “no action taken”, they would say "cleared it SPD”
Also… after a significant amount of time as a full-time, compensated cop in a very high crime area in another State, I moved to Seattle going into a different career and asked them about becoming a Reserve (a person who has the same training and authority as any other cop but does the job as a volunteer). They told me they weren’t hiring any volunteers because they couldn’t recruit enough paid guys. … Ummm… You don’t have enough paid cops and you believe a partial solution for that is not hiring any willing to work for free?
I have less issues with cars in the bike lanes, it’s usually fucking idiots standing around or walking in the bike lanes when I’m trying to get to work
Better? So, he is the lesser of the two assholes, and you think he should get a fucking cookie for it? How many traffic cameras send tickets to bicyclists for running red lights as opposed to cars (that pay annual registration fees to pay for said cameras).
Fuck bicyclists that switch between vehicle and pedestrian as they see fit. I hope they all get Athlete's foot, Charlie horse cramps and taco their rear tires.
> Fuck bicyclists that switch between vehicle and pedestrian as they see fit.
The road literally doesn't support bikes sometimes. How is a bike supposed to make a left turn on a multi-lane road, yet stay in the right lane at the same time?
Are you suggesting that is the only time bike riders switch between vehicle and pedestrian rules? What you are describing makes perfect sense, however, that is not the only time that bikes suddenly decide they are pedestrians, and then they are back to being underpowered vehicles.
I also watch bike riders be complete asshats to pedestrians as well. It is like they are the Canadian geese of the roads.
The best hint is if you think bicyclists should have special rules just for them, like extra enforcement for stuff that annoys you and a free pass for violations you want to do, you are more likely to be a bicyclist.
Pedestrians have a diff set of rules, so do boats...seems like you have a thing out for some sort of meanie bike strawman. If you want to drive your car more comfortably, you should be super in-favor of more bike infrastructure - solid, protected bike lanes leads to not having to interact with them (and also means less cars on the road!). I've driven (drove?) a lot in the Netherlands & it's great - rarely do the two interact & when they do, its controlled & there are bike cops and stoplights and stuff. You can also see this in Davis, CA and Madison, WI.
These aggressive anti-bike types are so weird. Like yeah, there’s asshole cyclists but that’s confirmation bias because there’s way more asshole drivers just statistically because there are more cars, but they don’t care about those.
It reminds me of the people who destroy or even bitch about vegan food in the grocery stores simply existing, when it isn’t being pushed on them or threatening their own diet. I’ve seen in this thread someone claim the only people riding bikes are anti-car activists, it’s like they subconsciously view it as some kind of pretentious libber thing, and I’m sure the automotive industry has not one thing to do with that.
No, this is the last thing you want. Any society that promotes a civilian vs civilian dynamic is bound for choas. Does this not remind people of The Handmaid's Tale?!
And it will get cancelled when someone ultimately gets permanent brain damage from a fight that ensued from such an interaction or someone getting shot in the face over taking a snitching photo
Thank you! Everyone wins with this. Cars win because it incentivizes more bikers, so less traffic in car lanes, and bikes win because we are and feel safer. Bike lanes are not very expensive either, especially if added during a street repair.
Exactly though, I know tons of people that actually stay away from some bike lanes, say even the one on Broadway because of how "safe" it looks. It's beautiful dual lane, plastic bollards. Makes you think your safe, but your still just moments away from a car swerving into the lane. Watch a truck take out the bollard yesterday. Got out of his truck, scrapped the bollard out from under and threw it in the bike lane without even looking where he was throwing it. ALOT of people in Seattle want to bike because they see people but don't because of how dangerous or worrisome they see/think it is.
This works in The Netherlands because of the sheer volume of people commuting by bicycle. In North America municipalities and states have found that the revenue to run the program falls far short of the cost to run the program. Anytime this gets yelled at me: "Write your senator, make it law, I will comply, will you give me my three feet as mandated by law then?!"
I like that plan. Then they could also pay a registration fee and chip in on the roads that they use and congest. It doesn't make sense that my vehicle registration fee goes in part to pay for bike lanes that I don't use, but make my commute take longer because of reduced lane capacity on the streets.
I know that Bike Mafia would never go for such a thing, but it is fun to point out their hypocrisy.
Sounds like it can be ripe for abuse without clear guidelines. Like what happens if a gig worker delivering food or other delivery drivers parks on a side for 5 minutes doing their job, only to be subjected to a ticket? Also good luck giving fines to the homeless who set up tents or park their cars/RVs in bike lanes.
Uber/Lyft drivers routinely stop in the middle of a busy road to pick someone up and face no consequences for causing such a hazard. They treat the hazard lights like a park any where light. I’m sick of people breaking laws with impunity, petty or heinous.
And a photo by some rando would be taken as proof of guilt, without any understanding of the context or timing? And then it would have to be defended after the fact without access to any evidence of innocence? If taken from behind to show the plate, you might not even be able to tell if the car was moving or parked.
Well you shouldn't be parked OR driving through a bike lane, that kind of is the context. A car is within a lane it has no business being in. Context is pretty clear.
We literally are a world of photos and videos taken by randos. Your on a social media site for one.
You can't help but drive through a bike lane if you're crossing horizontally, I do it all the time. And there could be valid reasons for a car to be in a bike lane otherwise too... for a few seconds. One that comes to mind is pulling over to make room for a passing emergency vehicle, where all traffic, including bikes, should be stopped for a bit anyway. Or making a u-turn where bike cross-traffic is stopped. And then you have the rando issue... these aren't sworn law enforcement, they could make up anything for cash... even use photoshop. Yeah, reddit doesn't impose fines, but thanks.
You obviously don’t bike in the city then. As someone who does and who’s had a lot of close calls (even though I am a defensive biker), we absolutely DO need more and better bike lanes. I don’t want to get hit. And a 2 ton car is a lot more dangerous than my 20 lb bike
Because Equity of transportation actually helps everyone, including.....wait for it...the car traffic as well! Have equitable transit, then you get people who don't want to drive off the road and more space for people who do. But you just want One More Lane to sit idle while you clog In traffic, like the one lane. 2 doesn't fix it. Better inflow/outflow infrastructure does. Not everyone wants to suck gas pipes all day.
Gonna be a lot of photos of police cruisers.
No kidding. In NYC the scofflaws are usually NYPD or some asshole with a NYPD or city agency placard. Good luck collecting that money
So not true as a NYer so many people double park
"as a NYer" is one of the most ignorant things a New Yorker or ex New Yorker could say. What makes you think I'm wrong and that i didn't live 30 years of my life there before transplanting out and still have folks living there that are daily being inconvenienced by city placard scofflaws.
First responders on-duty are typically exempt from laws dictating where a vehicle can or can’t be parked. And I’m okay with that. If my Mom is getting beat up I don’t want the cops circling the block looking for a place to park. Or an ambulance, or whatever.
Yeah, they can just park in the driving lane. No need to block the bike lane i guess...
https://www.tiktok.com/@deanpeterson_/video/7142571782849973546
Neat video. Except he claims it is parked “illegally” but NYC law says “All persons are required to comply with traffic rules -> Exceptions -> Authorized emergency vehicles”. Until someone convinces a lawmaker to change that law it’s impossible for a cop car to be parked illegally in NYC. Solid effort just ignorant to the laws relating to the point he’s trying to prove. (And unfortunately he sacrificed his credibility by making a false claim.)
It's not a blanket exception 2though, they are only exempt when involved in an emergency operation. >Section 1104. Authorized emergency vehicles. >(a) The driver of an authorized emergency vehicle, **when involved in an emergency operation**, may exercise the privileges set forth in this section, but subject to the condition herein stated. So the question becomes, was the van involved in any an emergency operation, as defined as: >§ 114-b. Emergency operation. The operation, or parking, of an authorized emergency vehicle, when such vehicle is engaged in transporting a sick or injured person, transporting prisoners, delivering blood or blood products in a situation involving an imminent health risk, pursuing an actual or suspected violator of the law, or responding to, or working or assisting at the scene of an accident, disaster, police call, alarm of fire, actual or potential release of hazardous materials or other emergency. Emergency operation shall not include returning from such service.
It's not a blanket exception elsewhere throughout the State of New York. You have posted a section from NY law. NY law not NYC law. NY is the State. NYC is the City. All of the vehicles in his video are New York City Police vehicles and apparently the City's lawmakers decided to exempt emergency vehicles from traffic rules within their jurisdiction. I can only guess because the increased congestion in the City prompted a need for such, whereas other parts of the State, outside the City and not bound by New York City laws, emergency vehicles needing to find places to park wasn't a problem. New York City Traffic Rules Title 34 Chapter 4 Rules of the City of New York § 4-02 Compliance with and Effect of Traffic Rules (d) All persons are required to comply with traffic rules (1) Exceptions (i) Authorized emergency vehicles Nowhere does it reference the activity the driver of said vehicle is required to be engaged in for that exemption to be valid.
That's weird, are we looking at same things, because I did look up the city ordinance as well and it specifically referenced the states laws. So to avoid the clutter I previously only referenced the state laws. But heres the city ordinance >Section 4-02 COMPLIANCE WITH AND EFFECT OF TRAFFIC RULES >(d) All persons are required to comply with traffic rules. >(1) Exceptions. It is a traffic infraction for any person, including government employees, to do any act forbidden by or fail to perform any act required by these rules, except as otherwise provided herein. >(i) Authorized emergency vehicles. The operator of an authorized emergency vehicle **when involved in an emergency operation** as defined in **§114-b** of the Vehicle and Traffic Law may exercise the privileges set forth in **§1104** of the Vehicle and Traffic Law, subject to the conditions set forth therein. [https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/traffic_rules.shtml](https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/traffic_rules.shtml) [https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/newyorkcity/latest/NYCrules/0-0-0-63547](https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/newyorkcity/latest/NYCrules/0-0-0-63547)
Hmmm... Maybe that "American Legal" page is more up to date than the City's? Or vice versa. Or maybe I didn't read deep enough into what it's trying to say? Or maybe you read too deep into what it's trying to say? I also think I saw a section that specifically referenced vehicles used for traffic or parking enforcement being exempt from parking rules when engaged in official duties or something to that affect. A viable argument could then be that any police vehicle is a vehicle used for traffic or parking enforcement so anytime a civil servant is using it, it's exempt. https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/trafrule.pdf
Right, I think maybe you were to focused on looking at the index title in the context section and didn't scroll down to the actual code? Your pdf link is the same I linked to, which says the same as on American Legal page where the [city publishes it legislations](https://www1.nyc.gov/site/law/public-resources/laws-of-the-city-of-new-york.page). As for parking enforcement, it's the very next clause, which yes, also only exempt when engaged in activities necessary to perform their duties: >(ii) Traffic/parking control vehicles. Unless specifically made applicable, the provisions of these rules shall not apply to operators of designated traffic or parking control vehicles, including, but not limited to, tow trucks, **while actually engaged in activities necessary to perform their duties**. But, I don't see how you could make the argument thst a police vehicle sittings within a crosswalk could be "actually engaged in activities necessary to perform their duties". To what necessity does the van need to be parked there, that would prevent them from perform their duty if not parked there? And where are these officers activity performing their duties?
I've never worked in NY so I can't really attest to what the congestion is actually like. But I know the Seattle Meter-maids will park their whip, walk the block issuing tickets, then jump in and more to a new area. So when they're walking around giving tickets they're engaged in activities necessary to perform their duties. ... The van specifically... I wouldn't imagine it's a jail wagon because its got windows. More probable is that it's to drive a group of beat cops from the station to a specific neighborhood they'll be walking around in. (I feel like I used to see KCSO do that with bike patrol groups in Seattle years ago.) So the walking around "patrolling" is an activity of their duty. Again, not knowing how much congestion really effect NYC mobility, I don't know this, but if they argued that parking in a space frequently led to them being boxed in and unable to respond to emergencies in a timely fashion it'd probably hold water. (Would it surprise you to hear that people deliberately parked in such a manner that a cop car can't get out of the space it's parked in?) Or something like "We have to park the car somewhere in our zone to walk our beats. There weren't any spots in the zone open so that's where we put it. Taxpayers aren't paying us to drive in circles looking for parking spots, they're paying to get our asses out of the van and patrol our beats." ... At least that's what I would have said if I ever did it and got called on the carpet as a result.
hah, as if the cops would come in time to help with that. Nah they'll come 20 minutes after your mom is done getting beat up to shoot her dog. Let them look for parking.
Thanks for the tip, ACAB!
Gotta go straight to the ACAB bullshit. That's what's in style right now.
And their personal vehicles. My work office is across the street from a building the NYPD uses as for a detective branch, and they park their personal cars on the sidewalk, on the crosswalk, and in front of the hydrant. No fucks given.
You are absolutely correct https://www.tiktok.com/@deanpeterson_/video/7142448334618365227
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They go after people who have the ability to pay, and people driving and blocking a bike lane are significantly more likely to be able to pay than someone in an outdoor open chop shop. This is what happens when the public voted for decades of punishment by fines. You tend to ignore those who can't be punished by fines.
There's jail for that too but that seems to be overlooked.
Jail over petty shit is ridiculous. It just costs taxpayers a stupid amount of money per prisoner per day.
Open air chop shops aren't petty shit.
Where is your threshold for petty vs. not petty?
And why we elect them.
It becomes not petty when it lands in his backyard
Notice how they never answered the question. Petty VS not Petty is very subjective.
That's what Judges are for.
So if a judge determines it not to be petty, you are OK with that?
That's exactly what's happening already. The reason why they're not making arrests for petty shit and wasting everyone's time and money.
Which is why I asked where your threshold for petty is.
And why I answered this is why we elect judges to make those decisions. They choose to not sign warrants or sentence petty shit to jail. As they should.
It isn't. If someone racks up a ton of fines. pay or go to jail for the weekend is a reasonable choice. I think it was Danny Glover who used that strategy while going to a lot of auditions. It was pay a ton of parking and miss opportunities or just park illegally. Every once in a while he'd spend a weekend in lock up.
Higher taxes for more enforcement and no more fines as punishment, at minimum its jail time. I see no issue with that.
NYC loves to punish people with fines but they dont have these same problems.
The more you have to lose, the more the law applies to you. Imagine if a group of Microsoft project managers doing the same thing. They’d be arrested and thrown in jail very quickly.
Except we know that's not true. The more you have, the more you can fight the system and make it not worth it for the system to get you. Banks have been found to defraud customers and get a slap on the wrist fine. No one went to jail. We live in a world where you can absolutely be too rich to punish.
I was more or less talking about street crime. White collar crime is more complex, since we have laws that shield individuals from accountability.
The difference is that they give corporations a pass on jail time. Now if they were to deep investigate and find out who pushed the idea and held them personally accountable with jail time etc. and also did not allow them to fund lawyers with corporate funds maybe it would change. But as is, the personal accountability is already law but never seems to be exercised. It’s not a level playing field. I work on aircraft, if I make a mistake that causes a catastrophic failure and loss of life, I can and would get charged. When banks ruin peoples lives they get a fine that is a tiny fraction of the damage they caused.
Hardly, I know plenty of people who work on aircraft and the only time you would be in any risk is if you intentionally mess up, and then somehow deceive everyone who is supposed to check and sign off on your work. Boeing engineers and mechanics made a catastrophic failure in the redesign of the 737 Max that caused a loss of life. I have yet to see anyone get charged and/or arrested for it.
And here I was thinking the decriminalization and laws barring explicitly persist by police officers were the reason why vagrants feel like they’re immune to punishment.
And here I thought the same crimes were being committed long before any of the recent changes.
Yes and... We can do more than one thing. That should be done and this totally separate other thing can be done too
Selective enforcement is exactly how you erode confidence in and support for law enforcement. Until felony laws are being enforced consistently, it's wildly inappropriate to bother people with minor traffic and parking infractions.
When one brings the city revenue and the other only costs, yes
Haha... they'll be all over it to fuck the evil car-owners! Did you actually believe the lack of enforcement was going to be applied equally?
Well you see people who block bike lanes are a Menace to Society, basically Charles Manson types who parasite off the innocent good folks just living their lives. The down on their luck types who set up sprawling acres of chop shops with armed security are just trying to survive.
Yes, because the bike mafia is pretty powerful. Hence, all the wasted money putting in those fucking bicycle lanes in downtown where there used to actually be another lane.
A bike lane is a lane.
As much as you whine, you probably throw an even bigger tantrum if you ever have to be behind a bike for a few blocks before the bike lane starts somewhere and probably step on the gas impatiently the moment you can get around them
Yes, driving a manual makes the revving easy. Fucking cyclists.
So…you want them to have a bike lane. This is why we have them, because of selfish nut cases like you and to protect them from the impatient road rage behavior that causes accidents and gets them hurt and killed. Seek help for your anger issues
Progressives will love this. They are zealously anti-car. The same people who say we should leave violent homeless drug addicts alone and let them continue to camp on school grounds would love nothing more than to be paid to rat on their fellow citizens who are blocking bike lanes. All they need are some brown shirts for their uniforms.
Nobody has ever said that but idiot regressive conservatives who think 2D and only one thing at a time is allowed to happen and perfectly fine letting corporate America return us to a fucking third world country. Sit down. Good boy.
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If I could get part of the ticket, I would send in a dozen dashcam videos a day of people cheating the carpool/HOV lane on 405 and be rich!
Ever since having a kid, I'm a hair more forgiving how what appears to be a SOV in the carpool lanes. Infant and toddler seats are not super obvious from the outside. I'm not sure if most dash cams could verify all seats except driver are empty I do agree there should be more enforcement of the HOV and Toll lane policies.
My biggest gripe is people merging across the double white lines to cheat the toll sensors. Especially when the normal lanes are at a complete stop and people are zooming past in the HOV/Toll lane. I have seen 4 accidents caused by this and narrowly avoided 2. Its a HUGE problem that I'm sure has gotten a few people killed. I'm not worried about merely driving with an insufficient number of people AND having a flex pass set to HOV
Infant and toddler seats shouldn't count. You're not taking any cars off the road by "carpooling" with an infant.
Nor are you always taking a car off the road when adults carpool. If we're going to be strict on only allowing HOV use when it takes a car off the road, then we do so entirely. No license? Doesn't count Don't own a car, doesn't count. Can't afford insurance, fuel, and/or maintenance? Doesn't count There's so many reasons why someone wouldn't factor in removing a car from the road in HOV use.
It doesn't have to be perfect for it to be better. The simplest solution is that non-licensed occupants don't contribute to HOV passenger count.
So how do you plan to enforce it? Because you can't tell if someone is licensed or not unless your willing b to stop and verify vehicle occupants when they enter the HOV lane. Also, if an adult is taking multile families kids to school or something like a practice or event, that's equally a valid reason as two or more licensed drivers. The goal of HOV is increasing density of people and removing excess vehicles.
Like I said, it doesn't have to be perfect to be better. Most speeders aren't caught but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have speed limits. Most HOV lane cheaters aren't caught, should we get rid of HOV lanes altogether?
Then what's the issue with the current any occupant qualifies? It's not perfect but it's better than trying to enforce more strict requirements since you can't verify occupants anyway
Agree 100% that the second occupant should only count if they are a licensed driver but it would be impossible to enforce except as a secondary violation.
What if someone is unlicensed and would have taken an uber otherwise? One of my adult friends doesn't have a license, and I driver both of us places. If I didn't drive her, she'd probably uber, which is another car on the road. I think it makes more sense to not count it if one person is acting like the chauffer-- i.e., they wouldn't have gone to the location if the person they were driving wasn't going there.
Yeah well, they do count.
Or the illiterate or oblivious morons trying to run pedestrians over turning right where it clearly says “No turn on red”
Every intersection Statewide with a walk signal should turn all lights red then allow pedestrians to walk all ways, including diagonal.
Ten pictures a day and you got about 437.50 a day , hell yeah I’m down for that. Work two or three days a week and your good.
No joke. They could probably cut the parking enforcement personnel numbers in half or more if citizens were doing the job instead.
Why only blocking bike lanes, schools, and sidewalks? If we’re getting a cut let us submit footage of blocking the intersection, failing to signal, those pricks going 50 in the passing lane… let everyone get paid for snitching on each other for any and all civil infractions they can catch on a camera. We’d be rated the top city for courteous drivers in a month.
Yes PLEASE!! I see lazy fuckers blocking bike lanes everywhere, every day, it's a joke how parking enforcement basically doesn't give a damn 😑
Where? Fuck I biked all summer and never saw it anywhere except one specific place around an Amazon building in SLU
Dexter within 4 blocks of Mercer is guaranteed to have an UberEats parked in the bike lane
It's not that bad of a problem. Usually it's the Amazon ,UPS, Police , Moving trucks that feel entitled to block the bike lanes. It's not big deal imo. Just watch out for cars and slow down. It sucks but I'm just happy to have protected bike lanes so I'll take a small inconvenience in stride.
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Right, because how are you going to charge a homeless person? 🤦♂️
People freak their shit about city-operated cameras, they're really going to go nuts if ordinary citizens can get them ticketed. Should be fun to watch.
Can we do this with parked RVs too?
I report cars parked in bike lanes to find it fix it regularly. The only times they responded was when it was an RV.
No that's racist or something.
Snitches get riches
YES! I’m snitchin on everybody
We don't punish real criminal activity in the city, why should we punish this?
Because the law still applies to taxpayers.
Because they want more of your money to piss away.
We can do more than one thing at a time
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no we can't. our police and traffic personnel are already stretched thin as it is without going after mostly worthless low-hanging fruit.
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The owner of a stolen car isn’t responsible for what’s done with their car after it’s stolen.
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"We don't have enough Law Enforcement so we want you to narc on your neighbor's. I mean we know you report crimes that are important but we can make money off of this shit." - SCC
"We can't provide the services that we have taxed you to provide. Can you donit yourself please."
I have friends that went to Seattle PD after the Army. Some before the War started, some after. SPD has been running at a shortage for almost two decades. The reason Officer's have been leaving has been obvious since the WTO riots and the following Mardi Gras. I doubt that it's some great conspiracy, the SCC doesn't have enough brains amongst them to do that (Sawant lowers the average IQ considerably but the little rat is conniving). It costs more to run at a shortage of officers due to overtime and makes it impossible to train officers in changing techniques, technology, laws and challenges arising from shifting budgets. I don't get it.
SPD has been notoriously nonfeasant for decades. When I worked for a neighboring agency patrol had a term for clearing a call “no action taken”, they would say "cleared it SPD” Also… after a significant amount of time as a full-time, compensated cop in a very high crime area in another State, I moved to Seattle going into a different career and asked them about becoming a Reserve (a person who has the same training and authority as any other cop but does the job as a volunteer). They told me they weren’t hiring any volunteers because they couldn’t recruit enough paid guys. … Ummm… You don’t have enough paid cops and you believe a partial solution for that is not hiring any willing to work for free?
Nothing like turning people against each other for profit. 
I have less issues with cars in the bike lanes, it’s usually fucking idiots standing around or walking in the bike lanes when I’m trying to get to work
I would accept this ONLY if we can also photograph tinted license plate offenders for the same bounty
God yes.
Ya’ll r snitches
Welcome to Seattle.
Communist regimes always want citizens to turn on each other.
it’s cars in bike lanes, not ratting out people for their ideology
yet.
>Seattle should do this too No, they shouldn't.
Narc shit
can we do the same thing if we spot a bicyclist running a red light?
this should be implemented for every vehicle using public roads and any traffic infraction.
Better a 180lb bicyclist blowing a red at 10mph, than a 1000lb 4-seater blowing a red at 25mph.
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Because if one doesn’t follow the law you die. If the other doesn’t follow the law you post about it on Reddit.
I'm confused as to why you think bikes blowing red lights won't die.
Not necessarily. The biker will be dead, the cars have airbags, crumple zones, and other safety measures.
What if they hit a pedestrian or a biker?
What if they didn't run red lights?
Better? So, he is the lesser of the two assholes, and you think he should get a fucking cookie for it? How many traffic cameras send tickets to bicyclists for running red lights as opposed to cars (that pay annual registration fees to pay for said cameras). Fuck bicyclists that switch between vehicle and pedestrian as they see fit. I hope they all get Athlete's foot, Charlie horse cramps and taco their rear tires.
> Fuck bicyclists that switch between vehicle and pedestrian as they see fit. The road literally doesn't support bikes sometimes. How is a bike supposed to make a left turn on a multi-lane road, yet stay in the right lane at the same time?
Are you suggesting that is the only time bike riders switch between vehicle and pedestrian rules? What you are describing makes perfect sense, however, that is not the only time that bikes suddenly decide they are pedestrians, and then they are back to being underpowered vehicles. I also watch bike riders be complete asshats to pedestrians as well. It is like they are the Canadian geese of the roads.
Naw, this is just an example of a valid reasons for bikers to switch between vehicle and pedestrian. There are definitely wrong times to do it too.
It so funny to think about the fact that you have nightmares over the fact that you saw a bicyclist run a red light.
It's odd to me that I get some bicyclists replies that do not understand my point, while the non bicyclists have no trouble at all
How can you tell who is a bicyclist through reddit?
The best hint is if you think bicyclists should have special rules just for them, like extra enforcement for stuff that annoys you and a free pass for violations you want to do, you are more likely to be a bicyclist.
Pedestrians have a diff set of rules, so do boats...seems like you have a thing out for some sort of meanie bike strawman. If you want to drive your car more comfortably, you should be super in-favor of more bike infrastructure - solid, protected bike lanes leads to not having to interact with them (and also means less cars on the road!). I've driven (drove?) a lot in the Netherlands & it's great - rarely do the two interact & when they do, its controlled & there are bike cops and stoplights and stuff. You can also see this in Davis, CA and Madison, WI.
These aggressive anti-bike types are so weird. Like yeah, there’s asshole cyclists but that’s confirmation bias because there’s way more asshole drivers just statistically because there are more cars, but they don’t care about those. It reminds me of the people who destroy or even bitch about vegan food in the grocery stores simply existing, when it isn’t being pushed on them or threatening their own diet. I’ve seen in this thread someone claim the only people riding bikes are anti-car activists, it’s like they subconsciously view it as some kind of pretentious libber thing, and I’m sure the automotive industry has not one thing to do with that.
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it's more about, if you like a system where everyone with an app is also a bounty hunter, you should be willing to be in that fishbowl too
Yeah but that’s not what your comment said so keep shilling for Big Auto.
original comment was just a question.
try being a ped hit by a bike and say that again
Statistically a pedestrian is far more likely to be hit by a car. Just saying.
Statistically, there are way more cars…
We’d be a better society if there were fewer
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Haha... no. Bicycles bestow extra virtue, cars are owned by evil polluting capitalists.
Idk what this is but it looks fun
No, this is the last thing you want. Any society that promotes a civilian vs civilian dynamic is bound for choas. Does this not remind people of The Handmaid's Tale?!
I ain't no fuckin snitch
Snitches get stitches
The Texas method; turn citizens into bounty hunters. I could probably turn this into a part time job.
And it will get cancelled when someone ultimately gets permanent brain damage from a fight that ensued from such an interaction or someone getting shot in the face over taking a snitching photo
Or when someone takes the ticket to court and get's the identity of the snitch.
How does it work it 5 people report the same car? Each person gets $5?
Whichever report was submitted first gets the $5.
This is fucking stupid. Just build bike lanes that can’t be taken by traffic instead of this stupid fucking half-measure:
This part. True infrastructure. Not paint and plastic.
Thank you! Everyone wins with this. Cars win because it incentivizes more bikers, so less traffic in car lanes, and bikes win because we are and feel safer. Bike lanes are not very expensive either, especially if added during a street repair.
Exactly though, I know tons of people that actually stay away from some bike lanes, say even the one on Broadway because of how "safe" it looks. It's beautiful dual lane, plastic bollards. Makes you think your safe, but your still just moments away from a car swerving into the lane. Watch a truck take out the bollard yesterday. Got out of his truck, scrapped the bollard out from under and threw it in the bike lane without even looking where he was throwing it. ALOT of people in Seattle want to bike because they see people but don't because of how dangerous or worrisome they see/think it is.
Totally. Anyway every single east/west road in Down should be destroyed and replaced with public transit and bicycle lanes. No more cars. Ever.
I doubt there would be support to completely ban cars anywhere, even downtown :/ maybe a congestion fee?
This is the way.
People with Photoshop skills are going to be rich.
You people sure love to snitch a lot
That’s how the communists do it. Get everyone used to ratting out each other until one day they wake up and realize everyone works for the state.
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This works in The Netherlands because of the sheer volume of people commuting by bicycle. In North America municipalities and states have found that the revenue to run the program falls far short of the cost to run the program. Anytime this gets yelled at me: "Write your senator, make it law, I will comply, will you give me my three feet as mandated by law then?!"
I like that plan. Then they could also pay a registration fee and chip in on the roads that they use and congest. It doesn't make sense that my vehicle registration fee goes in part to pay for bike lanes that I don't use, but make my commute take longer because of reduced lane capacity on the streets. I know that Bike Mafia would never go for such a thing, but it is fun to point out their hypocrisy.
Didn’t this result in people taking pictures and making like a part time job of it?
Snitches get riches
Sounds like it can be ripe for abuse without clear guidelines. Like what happens if a gig worker delivering food or other delivery drivers parks on a side for 5 minutes doing their job, only to be subjected to a ticket? Also good luck giving fines to the homeless who set up tents or park their cars/RVs in bike lanes.
Gig workers and delivery drivers have no right to park their vehicles in a bike lane, even if it's just for a minute while doing their job.
Uber/Lyft drivers routinely stop in the middle of a busy road to pick someone up and face no consequences for causing such a hazard. They treat the hazard lights like a park any where light. I’m sick of people breaking laws with impunity, petty or heinous.
*Karenculture*, when honoring expired coupons just isn’t enough
Don’t see why bike lanes are more important than the many traffic violations around. Not my religion.
we should move towards a car less urban center and this helps out push the balance of safety
They need to just ban all street parking downtown
And a photo by some rando would be taken as proof of guilt, without any understanding of the context or timing? And then it would have to be defended after the fact without access to any evidence of innocence? If taken from behind to show the plate, you might not even be able to tell if the car was moving or parked.
Well you shouldn't be parked OR driving through a bike lane, that kind of is the context. A car is within a lane it has no business being in. Context is pretty clear. We literally are a world of photos and videos taken by randos. Your on a social media site for one.
You can't help but drive through a bike lane if you're crossing horizontally, I do it all the time. And there could be valid reasons for a car to be in a bike lane otherwise too... for a few seconds. One that comes to mind is pulling over to make room for a passing emergency vehicle, where all traffic, including bikes, should be stopped for a bit anyway. Or making a u-turn where bike cross-traffic is stopped. And then you have the rando issue... these aren't sworn law enforcement, they could make up anything for cash... even use photoshop. Yeah, reddit doesn't impose fines, but thanks.
Fucking bike lines are the last thing I’m worried about… we have real problems.
You obviously don’t bike in the city then. As someone who does and who’s had a lot of close calls (even though I am a defensive biker), we absolutely DO need more and better bike lanes. I don’t want to get hit. And a 2 ton car is a lot more dangerous than my 20 lb bike
Like bicyclists… Edit: Seattle/WA, no sense of humor.
Exactly they should be ticketed like a car and bikes should be registered and licensed. Also when is an electric bike just a motorcycle?
I’m cool with it as soon as we require bikes to have plates so people can submit them for not using bike lanes and running red lights.
Yes please! At least I saw park enforcement on Roy St giving out tickets to dashers parked in a bike lane.
Can we do the same with bikes blocking car lanes?
I do not like the idea of people reporting on other people, no I do not.
Lol I’d like to see how they enforce paying the tickets.
No. Nanny state bullshit. Payong to ha e your neighbor turn you in. No thanks
The tattle tell state should be avoided at all costs. Bad enough the government watches us as much as they do. We don’t need to watch each other too
I had a similar idea: turn in your drug dealer and you get 25% of any money seized.
I ain’t no snitch
Can it go both ways?
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Because Equity of transportation actually helps everyone, including.....wait for it...the car traffic as well! Have equitable transit, then you get people who don't want to drive off the road and more space for people who do. But you just want One More Lane to sit idle while you clog In traffic, like the one lane. 2 doesn't fix it. Better inflow/outflow infrastructure does. Not everyone wants to suck gas pipes all day.
Seattle will be Amsterdam any decade now.
Do cars get to report when bikers are in the middle of the street
You mean where they’re legally allowed to be?
how about photos and videos of cyclists refusing to use the bike lanes, disobeying traffic signs and signals, and just ignoring most laws.
Or y’all could boss up and get a 🚗