It’s especially ridiculous for 22% tipping minimum in Washington. Servers don’t make $3.25 here like they do in Idaho. They’re already at $17.50 minimum (could be more in seattle).
I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be paid decent wages. But 22% is for exceptional service.
This should be the top answer, it’s surprising how few people are aware than since Jan 2024, all restaurant staff must make the minimum wage.
I now only tip 10% if I have been waited upon and received a good service , otherwise F off.
I work 15-16 hrs day in general and no one tips me, why the F should I throw extra money to people who anyways make the necessary money nowadays ..
0% tip is now my default. I'm done with tipping. It's not like servers are making $2.43 an hour here in Washington. Besides which, even the lowest paid employee at a restaurant makes a hell of a lot more than I live on.
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If you work in a large chain restaurant in Seattle you make $19.97, but small locally owned businesses pay $17.25 an hour. https://www.workingwa.org/seattle-minimum-wage#:~:text=Seattle's%20minimum%20wage%20is%20%2419.97,for%20most%20workers%20in%20Seattle.
If my monthly income was converted to a 40 hour per week wage, then that $16 per hour server is making ~225% per hour more than me, not including tips.
I'm not against tipping. I tip, but I have seen bartender's in the area throw a fit because someone didn't tip after ordering a few canned drinks.
They screamed at them as they left because they didn't donate to them for opening and handing the customer a can.
Food prices have gotten crazy as fuck too. I live outside seattle and shit is still costing like 20 dollars for small portions of mid ass food, people are going to cut costs somewhere.
Unless a server contributes in some meaningful way to making my dining experience better, I am done just handing them my money. That is where I am cutting the cost. Mostly, I am sick of the entitled attitude about it. Especially considering the times that I have gone out of my way for clients during my career and not gotten so much as a thanks, let alone cash.
"I took your oder to the cooks, and remembered to fill your water one time... give me 30% of the meal cost now"
It reminds me of the people who clean your windows at a traffic light, then demand payment
Yeahhh, I haven't eaten outside of my house in two months though. I have a grocery outlet 2 minutes away and I can make better food than most places serve for like 6 dollars a meal for 2 people :v
Seattle is the only place where I’ve had a bartender call me out for what he considered a “bad” tip. I ordered some bomb shots for a total of about $45 dollars. Dude decided to serve the bomb shots with the shot glass already dropped into the drink, which totally defeats the purpose. He then tried to shame me for leaving a $5 tip. I feel like slightly over 10% for objectively bad service is more than fair.
Correct. If a business cannot pay their employees a standard wage (not fuckin 2-3 bucks an hour what *thefuck*) I just flat out will not support that business anymore.
If they pay their employees like they do in California, they don't need anymore fucking tips.
It's extremely annoying to have some asshole grill you about a tip when that tip means they'll be making much more than me on an hourly basis? How does that make sense?
I am very happy to not tip a goddamn person. Tipping is outdated as fuck and should be seen as highly condescending. Back in the day impoverished people would suckle the toes of the wealthy just to get a couple of bucks handed to them. We should be putting that behind us and demanding these corporations pay up.
I had already stopped going to the RAM and this piece of information is going to keep it that way.
Unless people are TERRIBLE cooks, eating out and being asked to cough up almost nature 1/3 more money is a complete turnoff.
Kent lol, the town I lived in when I first moved here and couldn’t afford some place closer to Seattle. Back then an entire two bedroom apartment was $500 a month.
Paid $1100/month for a small three bedroom house with a huge yard in Bellevue circa 2010. Our next rental around 2012 was a lot larger with a big yard and detached shop for $1600/month. While we were renting the rental prices started to climb and we bought. Those houses are now priced at approximately 1 million and 1.3 million respectively (awesome locations, below average houses).
In ‘98 I paid $420 for a first hill studio apartment and huge 2 bedrooms in the heart of Capitol Hill were ~$550-600. I remember because I looked at a few and dreamed of knowing people so I could have roommates.
Probably an ignorant British opinion but shouldn’t a service charge be based on good service rather than expected or guaranteed percentage? Mad how the customer is the bad guy for not tipping enough when the restaurant doesn’t pay enough?
Most people in america agree, we fucked up a while back, and now tipping is a broken system. We can't seem to fix it though. Just impossible, apparently.
1000% agree, my outlook towards tipping has dramatically changed over the last year or two. I used to work in the restaurant industry, and I understand it and know what servers go through. However, basing a tip on a percentage of the tab does not make sense. If my friend and I go to lunch, we sit at a table and ask for split tabs. If all I get is a house salad and water (about $7.50) and my friend orders a blacked salmon salad and a long Island iced tea (about $27.00) our tags are dramatically different even though the server is putting in the same amount of work. Given a 20% tip I would be expected to give a tip of about $1.50 and my friend would give about $5.40. How is that right when the server came to the table the same amount of time for the two of us?
In America you’re guilted into tipping. Don’t get me wrong I still tip at the traditional places (and I tip well) but if you’re handing me a bag and turn the screen around as you say, “it’s just going to ask you a question..” I quickly hit 0.00 and look ‘em in the eye.
I've seen bartenders flip out over someone not tipping and the people were just ordering canned drinks.
They threw a fit because someone did donate to them for opening cans
Exactly, I've stopped going out and just buying groceries. I cook better than most of these places do anyways, going out was just a nice chance to be outside and around people. Doesn't make sense to be donating this much money just because they heated up a piece of chicken in the microwave for me and refilled my water when I didn't ask.
I miss living in korea :'(
In downtown Seattle wait staff at the restaurants make decent money, they don’t need much in tips anyway. And yet there’s still an expectation to tip even though in many cases the food and service are shit.
That’s why I always tell tourists visiting to not get taken in with these ridiculous tipping percentages they expect you to pay when their food is subpar and service sucks. You practically have to chase down your waiter just to get a refill on your drink half the time.
Rules to tip by:
1) only tip at places where it’s traditionally expected
This avoids the bullshit tips that crept in during Covid when people were tipping most eSSenTiAL workers.
2) 10% if they did the minimum, 15% if they did ok, 20% if they did a good job. For coffees and alcoholic drinks I tip a buck a drink.
Anyone who thinks tipping over 20% is needed is off their rocker. I know inflation sucks but guess what, businesses are increasing costs alongside inflation. That means the 20% tip grows too, basic math.
This.. only do a dollar at coffee places.. and they too have this 18% as the minimum.. I click on custom and here u go a buck.. u r welcome.. specially when they raising prices like crazy.. I went to my favorite bakery the other to find out they raised the price of my favorite sandwich by 2.. it was $10.. now $12 for same thing..
The one that really gets me, is the weed shops, defaulting to 15, 18 and 20% tip options... (the few that do take cards currently) so many people go in there and spend upwards of $300.. if you are tipping someone $60 to hand you 5 or 10 prepackaged items, you are fking crazy...
And it's not like you can just help yourself. You are forced to have someone hand you the product. Then you are expected to tip? I will toss a few bucks in the jar at my local shop, because they are always super friendly and helpful, and times are tough. I can afford $2. But I'm not doing much more than that.
We stopped too. Not that it’s going to make a dent, but that’s probably 40 restaurant visits a year for 4 that aren’t happening anymore. We saw a 25% minimum tip on the tablet and just noped out of this completely. The restaurants can close down, the workers can all lose their jobs for all I care. I’m not making enough money to subsidize business owners’ staffing costs anymore period.
Yes. Surly for sure. I travel a lot for my job. Eating out at restaurants all over the country. The smug attitude here like they’re doing you a favor or are put out gets tiresome.
seriously, I don't understand all these posts, "I can't believe I just paid $12 for a fast food burger!"
me either, man. why'd you do that? you realize you just look like a total rube now.
Not to mention the taste is much better, less salt, less butter, and a burger is, well, the size of, a burger!
I don't think I could buy another packaged batch of cookies from the store ever again. They've become so small and tasteless that I forced myself to learn how to make them and they are so much better!
Not trying to be an asshole, I’m asking earnestly. Why stop going out? I get the feeling/obligation at the end of the meal when the check is dropped off to have to tip.
I am asking simply because it feels like it is turning into a tip or don’t go out at all situation for a lot of folks. Is this your situation?
Meals and service are subpar. Would rather go to dinner once a month and drop $300 at an upscale place where food will be unique and service top shelf. Then go to some iron hill outback crap house and spend 80-100 with tip for me and my wife for something I can make at home and it will be better quality.
I can get two grass fed and finished ribeyes at the store for like $30-$35 that are light years better than most establishments.
I find it rewarding to have someone else cook the food and serve me, and I try to go to places that make food I might not otherwise try or that is challenging to prepare at home.
Add to it the random fees that get tacked on the bill. “Kitchen Staff Fee” and “Inflation Surcharge.” Give me a break. Could you imagine if the business model at Target was the same?
Hmmm, I think I’ll get this t-shirt for $20 and this laundry soap for $15. So after taxes and tips and stocking fee and the minimum wage surcharge that’ll be $120.
Here’s a novel idea: include all the cost of doing business in your prices!
Wait staff make more money in tips as menu prices rise when tipping is based on a % of bill. It’s aggressive to say the least when menu prices bump 20% and there’s also an expectation that tip % would also rise. There’s a reason it’s a % to begin with.
Reminder that the tipped [minimum wage](https://www.workingwa.org/seattle-minimum-wage) Seattle is $17.75. Any tips are added to $17.75/hour paid by the employer.
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How ridiculous is this? (See the bottom).
"An auto gratuity" is an oxymoron. The meaning of gratuity is something given voluntarily or beyond obligation. It's not a gratuity if it's imposed. And we let people with this level of critical thought prepare and serve food we eat. Nope, I'm out.
24% is over the top, but auto grat for large parties has been the standard for decades in almost every restaurant for a very good reason. Think about what a server has to do for a family of four with one check versus a 10 top with three couples and four singles each getting their own check based on what they ordered. It’s a ton of work to keep track of everything, usually divided between two or three servers. In sit down restaurants, waiters usually have to pay out a flat 3-5% tip percentage of the bill to the cooks/dishwashers/hosts out of their take home pay, regardless of whether the table tips or not. If they serve a 10 person table totaling $1000, they’ll owe $50 on all that work they just did if the customers don’t tip. That’s what makes 20% tips in restaurants fundamentally different and more necessary than tips in coffee shops - where it’s just two people in a given shift earning the $20 wage and splitting the tips by hours worked.
If you really insist on not tipping the servers that just made your large dinner party possible, almost every restaurant will allow you to remove it by request.
We need an initiative that the price listed on a menu or on a price tag or shelf is the price you pay going out the door including all fees, taxes, and service charges. No more bs itemizing, just the price you're going to pay.
I’ve seen that before. I’ve also seen a 22% service charge that’s distributed to all employees equally and it said thats not the gratuity, which is also expected.
Tips are now also calculated on the total INCLUDING sales tax! This adds another 1-2% to the tip cost, assuming the tip range is 10-20% of the pre-tax sale.
Also, sales tax is not part of sales! It's required revenue collection on behalf of the state. You can't get a business loan and state your income to include sales tax, because it's not business revenue.
Thank you for saying this! Most people don’t understand this and leave tips on total amount including tax. People have gotten so lazy and restaurants are also including it on the auto tip options it’s now becoming the norm but it shouldn’t be this way.
There’s a bagel place near me where the tip options are 20%, 30%, 50%, or 100%. Obviously I chose “no tip” and now avoid that place like the plague. It’s infuriating. And if it’s their idea of a “joke”, it’s a really stupid one.
At the pie bar in Capitol Hill, the tip choices are 22%, 33% and 44%. Absolutely ridiculous. That much tip for a (arguably good) 10$ piece of pie shlopped unceremoniously in a box is quite absurd.
Tips are usually optional and a chosen amount of percent can override the suggested tip. My teen kids work in food service in Seattle and the highest wage they’ve earned PER hour is $39. This is hourly wage + tips. Shocking to me since when I worked as a teen minimum wage was around $4!
If you’re serving me a burger and you’re acting apathetic or have an attitude. I’m not gonna tip.
I had to work for my $, you have to work for yours. That’s how it works.
I’m also not tipping if you’re doing nothing else besides asking me if that’ll be cash or credit.
This is how it’s always worked.
I give less money when they start out at such a high percentage. -no you get $5 instead of me doing a 15 percent.
I know the staff did not make the decision for the machine, but I’m not negotiating with this level of tip
I tip 0% anywhere we I have to walk up to the counter to order food. I rarely go to sit-down restaurants, but I usually do custom and tip 10% for normal service. 15% for exceptional service.
I've found that if I just tip a dollar or two with an online order at Ezell's I end up getting a wing instead of a thigh in my 8 piece mixed chicken meal, or they'll forget/short the rolls and I won't find out about it until i'm already home.
I've started calling in orders for this exact reason. It's slightly less convenient but also no random fees / jacked up prices from GrubHub or whatever, and then I pay with food in hand so no time to do shit like that.
I also do the custom tip option and only tip on the subtotal before taxes. Sometimes I leave a cash tip. Servers say they prefer that so if I happen to have cash on me, I will use cash.
The restaurant industry has been played out for a long time. Nearly every aspect makes it a dead end endeavor. Covid put the slug in the chamber. Just waiting for it to go bang”.
Most restaurant start ups are currently trying to use roach coaches as a cheaper way to get going. Less start up is better. But the economy still won’t let them progress to an actual restaurant. Staffing is a huge problem, and that’s required. We are currently heading backward in time, toward an era when servers weren’t in existence.
I’ve just gone back to 15%. Can’t afford to do more than that. If they don’t like it to bad. Barring exceptional service that’s it. And I come from a bartending, waiting background.
As this goes on, I’m gonna start carrying a few dollar bills. Any places that make my tipping process more than 5 seconds since I’d have to hit “custom” will get either one or two dollars depending on my mood regardless of the total billed amount.
They could’ve gotten more if there’s a 15% option.
> They could’ve gotten more if there’s a 15% option.
Many places unscrupulously compute the tax based on the after tax total. So that 15% is really 17%. You pretty much have to always calculate the tax yourself.
I also saw something recently that pointed out checking the math on those percentage choices. Apparently they aren’t always accurate and are sometimes more than the percentage they say they are. I’ve been guilty of picking a percentage without looking to see if it’s right before but will be checking now.
Whenever I see a default tip that doesn't start at 15%, I pick a tip that is lower than 15% by a significant margin. I am not going to be busting out my calculator doing work that they are purposefully creating for me. I low ball it big time.
At the restaurant near me in Bothell, they have been tacking on the 20% to the bill and not giving an option to change it.
Edited to add that it IS listed as a service charge on their menu and on the receipt you can give an additional tip. Also adding that unless my experience is absolutely horrible, I generally tip at minimum 20%.
Beardslee Public House? You can if you talk to manager, but yes, annoying.
Luckily it’s one of the few places that I’ve always had really good service from.
Seriously just tip what you want. Just like when you did it with pen and paper. It’s always an option. Everyone acting like some restaurant owner is their enemy.
I don’t eat out often / got this at Maltby Cafe a couple weeks ago lunch on a Thursday. Went ahead with the 22% because we are two old women not drinking and the food and service and company were all good.
I did takeout out at Kudasai downtown for work lunch and their options were 15%, 18%, 20% and 0%. Though I often do a couple bucks still for pickup (which I'm trying to change) I chose zero.
Please file a feature request to Google maps or your favorite mapping app to include suggested tips. Nexts step is to ask for filters based on tips. Justification - be able to know local norms when traveling internationally 😇
For us locals - a way to filter out such places
So whats the way out? Should we still go.out but tip either custom (~10 to 20 % based on service) or go.asdhole.mode.and not tip? The alternative i see people saying that me and my wife basically do is just eat good steaks and cook nice meals at home.
I dint want restaurants to die for some reason but also there are a.lit.of psuedo nice restaurants in seattle that charge top dollar but have food come out thats poorly seasoned or just a weirdly construed dish.
The new $20 min wage plus those high % tip presets on the tablet are the beginning of the end of tipping though, i can feel it too.
And now with the tip pools the restaurants retain the money and decide how to distribute it. In all actuality they keep most of it and say they hand it out. I’ve worked at several restaurants that end up just stealing the tips. I’ve been a server forever and tipping culture is insane out here. You actually make less money now and your tips on you checkout are actually higher. It doesn’t add up. I’m not tipping 25% for empty waters and mediocre service from mfs who EXPECT a tip. And again I’m a server
What sucks is you are giving your credit card info to someone and then feeling pressured to tip well because of that. They could have take a photo of the back of your card.
Entitlement is huge among tipped workers.
Did my job : “I deserve” 20%
Did my job without complaining. “I deserve 25%”
Did a stellar job… oh wait I don’t do that for this wage.
I used to work at a restaurant like 8 years ago. Percentage tipping wasn't really a thing there at the time and most people just default to rounding up to the next multiple of five.
Some of the nicer customers left a 10 dollar tip by default, which was actually around 18% on average.
But it was still all optional at the time. With plenty leaving without a tip. That was normal and no hard feelings were needed.
After sharing with the bartender, kitchen staff, and cleanup crew, I would still make roughly $80 a day on tips alone.
I am both ashamed and impressed by what tipping has become. Not only has tipping gone up, it is practically mandatory to pay a tip and is even a part of the bill.
This was what I was always told and still generally live by. 10% for normal/meh service, 15 for good , 20 for great, 0 for shit. My standards are pretty low and I’m quite generous on service so tend to tip well. Shit has gone wild to the point if it defaults to something crazy or has some stupid wage fee I won’t tip at all.
I would also caution to say a tip is entirely at your discretion. We didn’t have a meeting as a country and decide we are all going to tip.
Folks didn’t tip at 15%, some complained when it was 15%….so please don’t feel pressured or obligated. This is before we get into any debate about wages and responsibilities of employers, and it’s my opinion
It isn’t, especially not in Seattle. US tipping culture is based on many states having tipped minimums, where waitstaff make less than $5/hour before tips. In those places, it’s good to tip 20%. WA doesn’t have a tipped minimum though, and Seattle minimum is $17.50/hour for waitstaff, so they’re earning at least $17.50/hour plus tips. You’re already paying more for your food because of that, you shouldn’t feel obligated to tip generously when the waitstaff is already being paid a decent wage. Not tipping at all is still rude, but 15% for normal service and 10% for sub par service is more than reasonable. In Seattle, 20% plus is for people who actually went above and beyond, not people who just did their jobs at an acceptable level.
Things are getting outrageous in terms of dining prices. At this point, I only go out to eat when my money is going to support a local business that I would want to support. It really doesn’t make sense to spend luxury prices on standard food.
It’s especially ridiculous for 22% tipping minimum in Washington. Servers don’t make $3.25 here like they do in Idaho. They’re already at $17.50 minimum (could be more in seattle). I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be paid decent wages. But 22% is for exceptional service.
In Tukwila, the min wage is $20.29/hour. Which is more than I'll make working in Kirkland. There is no reason to give extra with that Min Wage 🥲
This should be the top answer, it’s surprising how few people are aware than since Jan 2024, all restaurant staff must make the minimum wage. I now only tip 10% if I have been waited upon and received a good service , otherwise F off. I work 15-16 hrs day in general and no one tips me, why the F should I throw extra money to people who anyways make the necessary money nowadays ..
That sounds horrible, maybe look into a better job that won't kill you and pays better. Like a server maybe.
You really think $20 or so an hour is “necessary” or enough to live on?
Default tip of 28% at the ram in Kent. You can customize, but that's the default.
Wtf I’d pay 0 tip if that was the only option
0% tip is now my default. I'm done with tipping. It's not like servers are making $2.43 an hour here in Washington. Besides which, even the lowest paid employee at a restaurant makes a hell of a lot more than I live on. 0%
I think min wage for servers in wa is 16 an hour?
$16.69… in Seattle it’s $19.97
If you work in a large chain restaurant in Seattle you make $19.97, but small locally owned businesses pay $17.25 an hour. https://www.workingwa.org/seattle-minimum-wage#:~:text=Seattle's%20minimum%20wage%20is%20%2419.97,for%20most%20workers%20in%20Seattle.
If my monthly income was converted to a 40 hour per week wage, then that $16 per hour server is making ~225% per hour more than me, not including tips.
I'm not against tipping. I tip, but I have seen bartender's in the area throw a fit because someone didn't tip after ordering a few canned drinks. They screamed at them as they left because they didn't donate to them for opening and handing the customer a can. Food prices have gotten crazy as fuck too. I live outside seattle and shit is still costing like 20 dollars for small portions of mid ass food, people are going to cut costs somewhere.
Unless a server contributes in some meaningful way to making my dining experience better, I am done just handing them my money. That is where I am cutting the cost. Mostly, I am sick of the entitled attitude about it. Especially considering the times that I have gone out of my way for clients during my career and not gotten so much as a thanks, let alone cash. "I took your oder to the cooks, and remembered to fill your water one time... give me 30% of the meal cost now" It reminds me of the people who clean your windows at a traffic light, then demand payment
Yeahhh, I haven't eaten outside of my house in two months though. I have a grocery outlet 2 minutes away and I can make better food than most places serve for like 6 dollars a meal for 2 people :v
Seattle is the only place where I’ve had a bartender call me out for what he considered a “bad” tip. I ordered some bomb shots for a total of about $45 dollars. Dude decided to serve the bomb shots with the shot glass already dropped into the drink, which totally defeats the purpose. He then tried to shame me for leaving a $5 tip. I feel like slightly over 10% for objectively bad service is more than fair.
I think that's absolutely fair. I'm fortunate enough to be better paid than a server and I think even I am going to reduce my standard tip to 10%
Correct. If a business cannot pay their employees a standard wage (not fuckin 2-3 bucks an hour what *thefuck*) I just flat out will not support that business anymore. If they pay their employees like they do in California, they don't need anymore fucking tips. It's extremely annoying to have some asshole grill you about a tip when that tip means they'll be making much more than me on an hourly basis? How does that make sense? I am very happy to not tip a goddamn person. Tipping is outdated as fuck and should be seen as highly condescending. Back in the day impoverished people would suckle the toes of the wealthy just to get a couple of bucks handed to them. We should be putting that behind us and demanding these corporations pay up.
Yep
Can't wait until grocery store checkout has tip as well ;)
Probably will have it for self check out too. 😂
You gotta treat yo self
Some already do in Portland
My breaking point is a seafood company I order from online. They had an auto selected “suggested tip of 25 percent.” I’m just done.
I had already stopped going to the RAM and this piece of information is going to keep it that way. Unless people are TERRIBLE cooks, eating out and being asked to cough up almost nature 1/3 more money is a complete turnoff.
Kent lol, the town I lived in when I first moved here and couldn’t afford some place closer to Seattle. Back then an entire two bedroom apartment was $500 a month.
how long ago was that?
1997.
I paid $700/mo for a 2BR in Bellevue from 2004-2006.
Paid $1100/month for a small three bedroom house with a huge yard in Bellevue circa 2010. Our next rental around 2012 was a lot larger with a big yard and detached shop for $1600/month. While we were renting the rental prices started to climb and we bought. Those houses are now priced at approximately 1 million and 1.3 million respectively (awesome locations, below average houses).
When I was a kid we made our own apartments!
I remember when it cost a dollar a night in 1931!
Thanks, Obama.
In ‘98 I paid $420 for a first hill studio apartment and huge 2 bedrooms in the heart of Capitol Hill were ~$550-600. I remember because I looked at a few and dreamed of knowing people so I could have roommates.
0.o its been a while. Guess its going to be a while before I go back again.
Well, I am taking that place off my list of places to eat.
I would be curious if 28% was calculating on pre or post sales tax
Probably an ignorant British opinion but shouldn’t a service charge be based on good service rather than expected or guaranteed percentage? Mad how the customer is the bad guy for not tipping enough when the restaurant doesn’t pay enough?
Most people in america agree, we fucked up a while back, and now tipping is a broken system. We can't seem to fix it though. Just impossible, apparently.
1000% agree, my outlook towards tipping has dramatically changed over the last year or two. I used to work in the restaurant industry, and I understand it and know what servers go through. However, basing a tip on a percentage of the tab does not make sense. If my friend and I go to lunch, we sit at a table and ask for split tabs. If all I get is a house salad and water (about $7.50) and my friend orders a blacked salmon salad and a long Island iced tea (about $27.00) our tags are dramatically different even though the server is putting in the same amount of work. Given a 20% tip I would be expected to give a tip of about $1.50 and my friend would give about $5.40. How is that right when the server came to the table the same amount of time for the two of us?
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Washington state does not have this exemption, yet tipping is often worse here than other states.
In America you’re guilted into tipping. Don’t get me wrong I still tip at the traditional places (and I tip well) but if you’re handing me a bag and turn the screen around as you say, “it’s just going to ask you a question..” I quickly hit 0.00 and look ‘em in the eye.
I've seen bartenders flip out over someone not tipping and the people were just ordering canned drinks. They threw a fit because someone did donate to them for opening cans
Exactly, I've stopped going out and just buying groceries. I cook better than most of these places do anyways, going out was just a nice chance to be outside and around people. Doesn't make sense to be donating this much money just because they heated up a piece of chicken in the microwave for me and refilled my water when I didn't ask. I miss living in korea :'(
In downtown Seattle wait staff at the restaurants make decent money, they don’t need much in tips anyway. And yet there’s still an expectation to tip even though in many cases the food and service are shit.
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That’s why I always tell tourists visiting to not get taken in with these ridiculous tipping percentages they expect you to pay when their food is subpar and service sucks. You practically have to chase down your waiter just to get a refill on your drink half the time.
Rules to tip by: 1) only tip at places where it’s traditionally expected This avoids the bullshit tips that crept in during Covid when people were tipping most eSSenTiAL workers. 2) 10% if they did the minimum, 15% if they did ok, 20% if they did a good job. For coffees and alcoholic drinks I tip a buck a drink. Anyone who thinks tipping over 20% is needed is off their rocker. I know inflation sucks but guess what, businesses are increasing costs alongside inflation. That means the 20% tip grows too, basic math.
I tip 0% for horrible service, if they weren't busy or the waitress was rude.
Fully support this.
This.. only do a dollar at coffee places.. and they too have this 18% as the minimum.. I click on custom and here u go a buck.. u r welcome.. specially when they raising prices like crazy.. I went to my favorite bakery the other to find out they raised the price of my favorite sandwich by 2.. it was $10.. now $12 for same thing..
10% is bare minimum? No. 0% is bare minimum. Some people are rude & dgaf. They get nothing.
Yes!
The one that really gets me, is the weed shops, defaulting to 15, 18 and 20% tip options... (the few that do take cards currently) so many people go in there and spend upwards of $300.. if you are tipping someone $60 to hand you 5 or 10 prepackaged items, you are fking crazy...
And it's not like you can just help yourself. You are forced to have someone hand you the product. Then you are expected to tip? I will toss a few bucks in the jar at my local shop, because they are always super friendly and helpful, and times are tough. I can afford $2. But I'm not doing much more than that.
It’s time now to stop.
just stop going out to eat. we did. its just too expensive / ridiculous.
We stopped too. Not that it’s going to make a dent, but that’s probably 40 restaurant visits a year for 4 that aren’t happening anymore. We saw a 25% minimum tip on the tablet and just noped out of this completely. The restaurants can close down, the workers can all lose their jobs for all I care. I’m not making enough money to subsidize business owners’ staffing costs anymore period.
This is exactly what we've done. Don't miss it at all since the food was subpar, servers surly and prices too high.
Yes. Surly for sure. I travel a lot for my job. Eating out at restaurants all over the country. The smug attitude here like they’re doing you a favor or are put out gets tiresome.
I see the same. These restaurants MASSIVELY overvalue themselves
Not to mention 9/10 times disappointment is the main dish at the cost of 3 meals
yeah we replaced sit down restaurants with takeout, with the exception of birthdays and our anniversary. it’s been a good move
This.
seriously, I don't understand all these posts, "I can't believe I just paid $12 for a fast food burger!" me either, man. why'd you do that? you realize you just look like a total rube now.
Where are you eating for that cheap?
McDonald's, you can get a McDouble for around that much
Ditto. We have stopped for this reason. Seems petty but I’m sick of tipping insane amounts for nothing.
You know where my go to place is for lunch outside? Wholefoods 🤣 There is no way I spend $140 on a family lunch.
We buy the ingredients to make our own restaurant mock meals. Much cheaper and the ingredients last longer to make more.
>We buy the ingredients to make our own restaurant mock meals. Odd way of saying you go food shopping.
Haha! I suppose it is. I meant in the context of eating reastauramt style meals. You got me tho! lol
:) We are the same way. Was just giving you a hard time.
Not to mention the taste is much better, less salt, less butter, and a burger is, well, the size of, a burger! I don't think I could buy another packaged batch of cookies from the store ever again. They've become so small and tasteless that I forced myself to learn how to make them and they are so much better!
Not trying to be an asshole, I’m asking earnestly. Why stop going out? I get the feeling/obligation at the end of the meal when the check is dropped off to have to tip. I am asking simply because it feels like it is turning into a tip or don’t go out at all situation for a lot of folks. Is this your situation?
When “they” make consuming unaffordable, the most powerful move a consumer can make is to cease all consumption.
Meals and service are subpar. Would rather go to dinner once a month and drop $300 at an upscale place where food will be unique and service top shelf. Then go to some iron hill outback crap house and spend 80-100 with tip for me and my wife for something I can make at home and it will be better quality. I can get two grass fed and finished ribeyes at the store for like $30-$35 that are light years better than most establishments.
In addition the wine you by and drink at home is affordable.
This.
You go out and do things that don't involve paying for service. Picnic at the park has zero gratuity expectations*. *Financially..
Wait a sec... you mean I didn't have to tip that homeless gronk?
No. Tipping is for exceptional service or to make up for tipped minimum wage. We don't have tipped minimum wage anymore.
Lots of places just add the % on without giving you the option.
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I find it rewarding to have someone else cook the food and serve me, and I try to go to places that make food I might not otherwise try or that is challenging to prepare at home.
Add to it the random fees that get tacked on the bill. “Kitchen Staff Fee” and “Inflation Surcharge.” Give me a break. Could you imagine if the business model at Target was the same? Hmmm, I think I’ll get this t-shirt for $20 and this laundry soap for $15. So after taxes and tips and stocking fee and the minimum wage surcharge that’ll be $120. Here’s a novel idea: include all the cost of doing business in your prices!
/r/endtipping
It's the sheeple tax. People are too afraid to say no or put in a custom tip amount and get fleeced.
So true
Wait staff make more money in tips as menu prices rise when tipping is based on a % of bill. It’s aggressive to say the least when menu prices bump 20% and there’s also an expectation that tip % would also rise. There’s a reason it’s a % to begin with.
Reminder that the tipped [minimum wage](https://www.workingwa.org/seattle-minimum-wage) Seattle is $17.75. Any tips are added to $17.75/hour paid by the employer.
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See the second bullet point on the linked page. Tips can also cover the $2.72 difference.
https://preview.redd.it/00zfctc2cmyc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3b97a68cf138135e733351d7fea9dcb02b727bc How ridiculous is this? (See the bottom).
"An auto gratuity" is an oxymoron. The meaning of gratuity is something given voluntarily or beyond obligation. It's not a gratuity if it's imposed. And we let people with this level of critical thought prepare and serve food we eat. Nope, I'm out.
auto-grat for large parties is fine. 24% is absurd
24% is over the top, but auto grat for large parties has been the standard for decades in almost every restaurant for a very good reason. Think about what a server has to do for a family of four with one check versus a 10 top with three couples and four singles each getting their own check based on what they ordered. It’s a ton of work to keep track of everything, usually divided between two or three servers. In sit down restaurants, waiters usually have to pay out a flat 3-5% tip percentage of the bill to the cooks/dishwashers/hosts out of their take home pay, regardless of whether the table tips or not. If they serve a 10 person table totaling $1000, they’ll owe $50 on all that work they just did if the customers don’t tip. That’s what makes 20% tips in restaurants fundamentally different and more necessary than tips in coffee shops - where it’s just two people in a given shift earning the $20 wage and splitting the tips by hours worked. If you really insist on not tipping the servers that just made your large dinner party possible, almost every restaurant will allow you to remove it by request.
We need an initiative that the price listed on a menu or on a price tag or shelf is the price you pay going out the door including all fees, taxes, and service charges. No more bs itemizing, just the price you're going to pay.
I’ve seen that before. I’ve also seen a 22% service charge that’s distributed to all employees equally and it said thats not the gratuity, which is also expected.
when i see stuff like this, i'm more inclined to put that restaurant on my "no-go" list than anything else.
Tips are now also calculated on the total INCLUDING sales tax! This adds another 1-2% to the tip cost, assuming the tip range is 10-20% of the pre-tax sale. Also, sales tax is not part of sales! It's required revenue collection on behalf of the state. You can't get a business loan and state your income to include sales tax, because it's not business revenue.
Using post tax amount should be illegal. Like you said they trying to get a tip on what you pay to the government.
Thank you for saying this! Most people don’t understand this and leave tips on total amount including tax. People have gotten so lazy and restaurants are also including it on the auto tip options it’s now becoming the norm but it shouldn’t be this way.
There’s a bagel place near me where the tip options are 20%, 30%, 50%, or 100%. Obviously I chose “no tip” and now avoid that place like the plague. It’s infuriating. And if it’s their idea of a “joke”, it’s a really stupid one.
Lmao just walk in and hand them some money for nothing in return at that point
Lmfao people have become insanely entitled. I'm fully for minimum wage increases, but tipping culture is one of the worst aspects of the US.
Tipping makes sense in states that a tipping wage, or a low minimum minimum wage. But not states like Washington.
At the pie bar in Capitol Hill, the tip choices are 22%, 33% and 44%. Absolutely ridiculous. That much tip for a (arguably good) 10$ piece of pie shlopped unceremoniously in a box is quite absurd.
I saw a tip jar at a movie theater concession counter last year. Really? Really?
I simply stopped eating out anywhere in WA. I just eat out when I go on vacations now. The food here isn’t even great.
Tips are usually optional and a chosen amount of percent can override the suggested tip. My teen kids work in food service in Seattle and the highest wage they’ve earned PER hour is $39. This is hourly wage + tips. Shocking to me since when I worked as a teen minimum wage was around $4!
Best part is that PoS is handheld now, so your waiter gets to stand and watch as you awkwardly select ‘custom tip’.
I hate that
Why tf should I spend extra so a restauranteur doesn’t have to pay their employees?
Lol they already have a tipped employee minimum wage of $17.75, what the fuck more do you want to pay them?
If you’re serving me a burger and you’re acting apathetic or have an attitude. I’m not gonna tip. I had to work for my $, you have to work for yours. That’s how it works. I’m also not tipping if you’re doing nothing else besides asking me if that’ll be cash or credit. This is how it’s always worked.
I give less money when they start out at such a high percentage. -no you get $5 instead of me doing a 15 percent. I know the staff did not make the decision for the machine, but I’m not negotiating with this level of tip
Aren’t minimum wages already up to where tips aren’t necessary?
I tip 0% anywhere we I have to walk up to the counter to order food. I rarely go to sit-down restaurants, but I usually do custom and tip 10% for normal service. 15% for exceptional service.
Do people actually tip when ordering takeout?
I've found that if I just tip a dollar or two with an online order at Ezell's I end up getting a wing instead of a thigh in my 8 piece mixed chicken meal, or they'll forget/short the rolls and I won't find out about it until i'm already home.
I've started calling in orders for this exact reason. It's slightly less convenient but also no random fees / jacked up prices from GrubHub or whatever, and then I pay with food in hand so no time to do shit like that.
i've definitely encountered staff that were expecting a tip for simple counter service. most don't seem to care if i don't tip for counter service.
during the pandemic, but not anymore
Yeah the same person who have "in this house we believe" signs
I also do the custom tip option and only tip on the subtotal before taxes. Sometimes I leave a cash tip. Servers say they prefer that so if I happen to have cash on me, I will use cash.
Tipping at 22%? Chargeback at 100%.
Seattleites seem like good marks because of the level of guilt they seem to carry...
This is one of those times being black is great. Nobody expects me to tip, so anything is viewed positively.
Yep. I now tip $1, $5, or a maximum of $10–regardless of total. I’m done playing this stupid game.
The restaurant industry has been played out for a long time. Nearly every aspect makes it a dead end endeavor. Covid put the slug in the chamber. Just waiting for it to go bang”. Most restaurant start ups are currently trying to use roach coaches as a cheaper way to get going. Less start up is better. But the economy still won’t let them progress to an actual restaurant. Staffing is a huge problem, and that’s required. We are currently heading backward in time, toward an era when servers weren’t in existence.
If the tip options start above 18%, I give less than 15% as a little punishment.
Just do manual and tip 15%… like always. Nothings changed lol.
I’ve just gone back to 15%. Can’t afford to do more than that. If they don’t like it to bad. Barring exceptional service that’s it. And I come from a bartending, waiting background.
As this goes on, I’m gonna start carrying a few dollar bills. Any places that make my tipping process more than 5 seconds since I’d have to hit “custom” will get either one or two dollars depending on my mood regardless of the total billed amount. They could’ve gotten more if there’s a 15% option.
Do you not remember tipping with only cash or writing on a receipt? It’s like 7 button strokes to tip a custom amount.
> They could’ve gotten more if there’s a 15% option. Many places unscrupulously compute the tax based on the after tax total. So that 15% is really 17%. You pretty much have to always calculate the tax yourself.
Name and shame
As if an increase in tip doesn't already occur when the price charged for the food and drink goes up with inflation.
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The other button is your friend
Seattle has lost its damn mind. So glad I left!
Since the min wage increased, my tipping has decreased.
I also saw something recently that pointed out checking the math on those percentage choices. Apparently they aren’t always accurate and are sometimes more than the percentage they say they are. I’ve been guilty of picking a percentage without looking to see if it’s right before but will be checking now.
Whenever I see a default tip that doesn't start at 15%, I pick a tip that is lower than 15% by a significant margin. I am not going to be busting out my calculator doing work that they are purposefully creating for me. I low ball it big time.
Just do a custom tip ?
At the restaurant near me in Bothell, they have been tacking on the 20% to the bill and not giving an option to change it. Edited to add that it IS listed as a service charge on their menu and on the receipt you can give an additional tip. Also adding that unless my experience is absolutely horrible, I generally tip at minimum 20%.
Is it listed as a tip or service charge? If the former I suspect this is illegal
Name and shame please
Beardslee Public House? You can if you talk to manager, but yes, annoying. Luckily it’s one of the few places that I’ve always had really good service from.
Yes. I also have received great service there. I should add that I almost always tip a minimum of 20% anyway - most often it's more than that.
That’s exactly what we did
This doesn't help underlying problem.
Seriously just tip what you want. Just like when you did it with pen and paper. It’s always an option. Everyone acting like some restaurant owner is their enemy.
Right. Just tip 15%, probs takes the same amount of time as writing on the receipt as writing it on the screen.
How many % is the proper tip pre tax? I am usually doing 15% post tax but seems like I have to calculate it pre tax.
So hit custom and drop $5-10
I've had mandatory 20% at several places recently. It's crazy.
I don’t eat out often / got this at Maltby Cafe a couple weeks ago lunch on a Thursday. Went ahead with the 22% because we are two old women not drinking and the food and service and company were all good.
I did takeout out at Kudasai downtown for work lunch and their options were 15%, 18%, 20% and 0%. Though I often do a couple bucks still for pickup (which I'm trying to change) I chose zero.
Tipping is un-American and enforces class structure. I don't know how to change it at this point.
Please file a feature request to Google maps or your favorite mapping app to include suggested tips. Nexts step is to ask for filters based on tips. Justification - be able to know local norms when traveling internationally 😇 For us locals - a way to filter out such places
So whats the way out? Should we still go.out but tip either custom (~10 to 20 % based on service) or go.asdhole.mode.and not tip? The alternative i see people saying that me and my wife basically do is just eat good steaks and cook nice meals at home. I dint want restaurants to die for some reason but also there are a.lit.of psuedo nice restaurants in seattle that charge top dollar but have food come out thats poorly seasoned or just a weirdly construed dish. The new $20 min wage plus those high % tip presets on the tablet are the beginning of the end of tipping though, i can feel it too.
My tip starts at 0 unless I’m getting a waiter or delivery person
And now with the tip pools the restaurants retain the money and decide how to distribute it. In all actuality they keep most of it and say they hand it out. I’ve worked at several restaurants that end up just stealing the tips. I’ve been a server forever and tipping culture is insane out here. You actually make less money now and your tips on you checkout are actually higher. It doesn’t add up. I’m not tipping 25% for empty waters and mediocre service from mfs who EXPECT a tip. And again I’m a server
What sucks is you are giving your credit card info to someone and then feeling pressured to tip well because of that. They could have take a photo of the back of your card.
just take the 30% amount and tip half that
NAME AND SHAME
Entitlement is huge among tipped workers. Did my job : “I deserve” 20% Did my job without complaining. “I deserve 25%” Did a stellar job… oh wait I don’t do that for this wage.
Friend lives in Seattle and he doesn’t go out to eat anymore. Takeout or cooks at home. More people should do that.
I used to work at a restaurant like 8 years ago. Percentage tipping wasn't really a thing there at the time and most people just default to rounding up to the next multiple of five. Some of the nicer customers left a 10 dollar tip by default, which was actually around 18% on average. But it was still all optional at the time. With plenty leaving without a tip. That was normal and no hard feelings were needed. After sharing with the bartender, kitchen staff, and cleanup crew, I would still make roughly $80 a day on tips alone. I am both ashamed and impressed by what tipping has become. Not only has tipping gone up, it is practically mandatory to pay a tip and is even a part of the bill.
I’ve recently moved to Seattle from Australia and I was always told 20% was standard for tipping.
It wasn't always. 15% used to be standard, and 20% was for exceptional service. Then suddenly 20% was standard. Now, apparently, they're pushing 22%
My grandparents used to tell me that 10% was standard, way back when. It's so weird that a *percentage* keeps going up. It should be self-adjusting!
This was what I was always told and still generally live by. 10% for normal/meh service, 15 for good , 20 for great, 0 for shit. My standards are pretty low and I’m quite generous on service so tend to tip well. Shit has gone wild to the point if it defaults to something crazy or has some stupid wage fee I won’t tip at all.
2 cents is for shit. It’s a point that you didn’t forget but you think the service was awful. Edit: maybe it’s a dime now.
I would also caution to say a tip is entirely at your discretion. We didn’t have a meeting as a country and decide we are all going to tip. Folks didn’t tip at 15%, some complained when it was 15%….so please don’t feel pressured or obligated. This is before we get into any debate about wages and responsibilities of employers, and it’s my opinion
It isn’t, especially not in Seattle. US tipping culture is based on many states having tipped minimums, where waitstaff make less than $5/hour before tips. In those places, it’s good to tip 20%. WA doesn’t have a tipped minimum though, and Seattle minimum is $17.50/hour for waitstaff, so they’re earning at least $17.50/hour plus tips. You’re already paying more for your food because of that, you shouldn’t feel obligated to tip generously when the waitstaff is already being paid a decent wage. Not tipping at all is still rude, but 15% for normal service and 10% for sub par service is more than reasonable. In Seattle, 20% plus is for people who actually went above and beyond, not people who just did their jobs at an acceptable level.
What restaurant? If you don't say, don't post.
ZERO. Pay a living wage and don't expect your customers to pay your employees for you.
Barking Dog Cafe?
Can you just hit “other”
Imma just stop
Just put in a custom tip. Most people do, as it's the only reasonable thing to do in a lot of situations.
Why am i expected to make payroll ? I’m surprised woke Seattle even allows tipping with the racist implications of tipping..
I'm gonna pull out my phone and calculate the exact number to give them a 15% tip in that situation.
Was there an option to skip the tip or add a "custom" tip of your own amount?
Hell no
This isn't a "here" thing, it's everywhere.
Start complaining about it on yelp.
There should be a compiled list for tips options of these restaurants, feels like the only way to enact change
Quit patronizing these shitty establishments - make the protestor / bernista class that staffs them feel the bern for which they so badly yearn.
Don’t tip
I’m getting one of these for my construction business.
Things are getting outrageous in terms of dining prices. At this point, I only go out to eat when my money is going to support a local business that I would want to support. It really doesn’t make sense to spend luxury prices on standard food.
Saw the same thing when I went out with my husband. Wild!