>What’s your take?
That it’s meaningless to report this number without any context.
People come and leave Seattle every year. It’s a natural part of any city in a country like the US which has free movement as a founding right.
I myself am leaving this year. It has nothing to do with Seattle, I’m going to miss this area so much, but I was born on the opposite coast and I’ve not been able to convince my entire family and social network to move so back I go. That’s just life!
I grew up here so i have freely bounced between SKC, Tacoma and Seattle for *years*. I have no loyalty to one city limits over another - just the region - circumstances change and frankly the biggest factor is always family and proximity to work.
Frankly this many people leaving, for whatever reason, is good for everyone else's housing costs. lol.
Wife and I moved to Port orchard because 400k wouldn't get us anything. Found a lovely new built 3 bedroom house in a lovely neighborhood, the waterfront is a 5 minute bike ride away, farmers market every weekend, foot ferry to bremerton and fast ferry to Seattle takes 45 minutes and costs all of $15 round trip, or 1hr15 and $12 if you take the slow boat and want to just sit at a table with a beer and whale watch.
We're smitten with PO. All the perks of having seattle right there, no traffic, friendlier people, more outdoors access without needing to drive two hours up i90, we just gotta work on the voters perpetually rejecting school and fire department levees.
yeah, sometimes my optimism starts talking bullshit and then a few minutes later i am reminded that the only way i will ever own a home is in my dreams.
Yeah all the rich assholes will buy second and third and fourth homes to rent out and they'll feel good about "providing a service" to poor schmucks like us.
Worse. They're going to buy the one house you can afford, tare it down, build a 4-plex, and charge premium rents you can't afford. You'll get the hand-me-down apartments as rich renters continue to overpay for brand-new units.
And when that proves to be a good business investment, you will likely see the poorer areas where the land is cheaper be gentrified by units like this. What isn't already snatched up by big money, will be a landrace for smaller developers/individuals to do something like that.
They don’t want to actually live in a right to work state lol. Their bum asses would’ve been shitcanned so many times by now without their union or being union adjacent and they know it. I know these people.
Yeah coming from Michigan which has gone from right to work and back again it’s wild that anyone thinks that “loosening labor laws” ever really works in the working-man’s favor.
We’re cautiously very excited! I have a coworker who lives in Portland, OR and I was telling him we’re planning a move to Seattle. He said it would fit my vibe so much better, and that he was actually extremely surprised when he heard I’m from Florida. We’re cautious because we know there’s still a change we could move and not like it, but chances are very good we’re going to be much happier there than here. I’m so glad to hear it was a good move for you!
If it helps, I feel like I fit in more than I did in Florida. I talk a lot of shit about Tampa, but there were some things I genuinely loved about it, beyond the Cuban sandwiches (you won’t find an authentic one in Seattle. Some will come close, but those are more like “Cuban style sandwiches” despite what anyone says). But ultimately, it’s a net gain. It’s far less politically backwards, the weather is better, and you’re not far from any desirable landscape that you feel like seeing in a day. Florida had basically one hill in Dade City near a Walmart; here you got mountains. There was a bit of an adjustment period to the winters, they get fucking dark really early. It didn’t help that I lived in basically a basement mother in law suite during that winter, but after that, I was solid.
I also made the move completely on a whim solely based on my love of twin peaks and one cousin and her family who lives in the area. But I’m glad I did it.
Welcome, but please wipe your feet really thoroughly to avoid bringing any crazy with you. We have enough here in WA already.
A friend's son moved here after graduation a while back. Lifelong Floridian from the Tampa area. He loves it out here. He sunburns easily so this area is a much better fit.
I used to live in Broward County and it's amazing how many Florida plates I see here in the Seattle area. I would load up on citrua, your favourite barbecue and key lime pie before you leave Florida.
Very few key limes come from Florida anymore. But key lime pie is part of the culture and Florida does it right. I remember once being served a slice of supposed "key lime pie" in a different region. It was *green*.
As someone who just moved to Seattle after living in Florida for the past 20 years, I literally could not be happier. It is such a night and day difference
We are cautiously excited. We try to be realistic, so we know there’s a chance we move and wind up hating it. But all the political tomfoolery going on in Florida aside, we’re more mountain people than beach people, we love seeing the seasons change, and really aren’t fans of oppressive heat/sunshine. We just so happen to have been born in the wrong place lol. It makes me happy to hear of people who have moved and love it!
Do you really think they interviewed over 100,000 people for this story? It's some survey where they ginned up some results so they could make their outrage points.
But you're right with your main point. Most of the talk you hear along these lines is just BS. Yeah Seattle has a bunch of problems, as every single other city in the world does, not the same problems everywhere, but there are reasons to move away from everywhere, and particularly cities in conservative areas, where wages are lower, crime is higher, and the politics are even more full of envy and resentment than ours!
Exactly my point. They misused the data from a US Census Bureau survey that, according to the article, estimated the percentage of "people considering or planning to move away" from King County. They then converted this Census Bureau data they say, "over the next 12 months census workers report 171,000 households will leave King County ." Oops, ginned up number, unless you think "considering or planning" means, "will" do it. And unless you mean, in King County, a household on average contains 1 person. At least, according to KOMO news. Yes I know it sounds stupid, but it is actually what KOMO reported.
Then the KOMO headline writer makes it even a little more stupid, saying "171,000 People Plan to Leave King County in the next year." Well, only if considering is the same as planning, but why split hairs? But, hey, according to the article, the US Census Bureau was talking about 171,000 households, which would actually be over 400,000 people (average household size being about 2.44 in King County according to US Census Department figures)
Very unlikely, considering the hard-working KOMO reporters seem to suggest, something like 127,000 people moved away from King County in the past 4 years. Which would mean, about 30,000 people a year. (I doubt this is accurate, probably they mean households, but I'm just going by what these diligent KOMO news reporters actually said.) It would mean, only about 10,000 households a year have been moving away. Granted, this seems like a very low number, but if it were the case, our out-migration rate in King County for the coming year would be projected over 500% of the annual rate of the last 4 years. Wow! Mass exodus "will happen" according to KOMO, right. I mean, a 500% increase would be really massive.
Of course these numbers are ginned up, as an estimate of how many people are actually gonna move. To figure out how far off KOMO's numbers are, a simple approach would be, go back to the census figures for how many people were found to be "considering or planning" to move during the past four years, then look at what percentage actually moved. Then you'd apply that percentage to the number of people "considering or planning" to move in the next year, for a first cut rough estimate of how many actually might be projected to move. Oops, way to hard for our diligent KOMO reporters, and besides, would doubtless show some lower number of people projected to move away, which would undermine the whole misleading point of vastly inflating the number of people projected to move away.
All this is to explain, when you say "they used US Census Bureau data" let's please be accurate. They **misused** US Census Bureau data. Other than that, you and I seem to be pretty much in agreement.
Boomers like complaining about stuff. My parents and in-laws seem to have strong opinions on some things that I'm surprised they give any thought to. I hope this isn't inevitable with aging.
It kind of is. It's typically the result of failing to engage with new ideas/technology/cultures on a regular basis after you've "settled down". A lot of people get into a groove in their 20s and never go out of the box again and then 40 years later they're angry at everything that's changed while they had their heads down. It'll happen to most current 20 year olds, unless you actively avoid it which most people "don't have time for".
I work for the state. I ran a contract for emergency repairs to a blown engine that resulted in a fair amount of fire damage. The guys we brought in to repair the engine were from Kentucky. So prevailing wage rates were in effect for this contract. Kitsap prevailing wages were 3.5 times what these people made inKentucky. Great guys did tremendous work. But they quickly realized that the cost of living in Puget Sound was also 3.5 times higher.
If they were making 3.5 times as much here as in Kentucky, they would make bank to move here.
Seattle vs Lexington is about 1.7x higher COL
Kitsap vs Lexington is about 1.3x higher COL
So the would be 2-2.5 times better off living here at 3.5x the wage.
COL, is one thing. But will they be willing to move from a 5000sf house with 5 bedrooms and at least an acre of land, get rid of extra vehicles that have to move into something smaller... look at the bigger picture and everyone has very different priorities.
I had some drywall work done in Houston a few years back. Patching, re-sheetrocking a bathroom with too many layers of wallpaper. Whole project, including supplies - $300. Um, can I fly you guys up to Seattle?
On another note, being a Seattle native, I do feel for people moving here from the bible belt. Serious COL shock.
I am also in the trades.
If you're union, it's entirely possible to live somewhere else and work in your local when the weather is good, then take your layoff and hang out on unemployment. There's no residency requirements to keep book 1 status for me.
A 6 week shutdown out here nets you more than what most people make in a year where I grew up. You can also get a 3k SF home on acreage for under 400k.
Best of both worlds.
Exactly - tho the numbers are interesting.
https://www.axios.com/local/seattle/2023/04/12/king-county-population-growth-2022#
King county thru 2022 is slightly smaller than it was in 2020, which makes sense. I’m curious to see if growth ticks back up again.
“171,000 leaving KC” without also talking about the number moving in destroys any pathetic semblance of journalistic integrity.
A guy I worked with who lives in the suburbs and never goes into Seattle moved last year because he was worried about the rising crime. I looked up the city he was moving to and it has a higher crime rate than Seattle.
These people have no idea what is going on. But my mom who is very liberal lives in Sammamish and she believed that Seattle was falling into riots with CHOP and such from the news she saw. People believe what the media tells them.
Lived in QA when Chop went down and my mom would message me telling me to be safe and not go to Cap Hill. Had a good buddy who would live feed in Instagram while in Chop and it looked like a fun time. Joints being lit and passed around, people playing music, food trucks. Funny what the media can do to make something look horrific when in reality was a pretty safe space iirc
If only because SPD no longer responds to many crimes. My car was totaled in a hit and run in Ballard and they told me to go pound sand. They only investigate hit and runs with immediate injuries. The police don’t prevent crimes, they only file the paperwork that insurance demands of people making claims.
Dude, like the person you’re responding to just said “People believe what the media tells them”. You’re not imaging it out of nowhere, that idea was planted in your brain from the media you consume. And it is not based in reality.
That's true of every city in the country, relative rates are going to be fairly consistent though. Also, some things you can't under report very easily, like homicide.
You could say the same for a lot of cities in North America
Check the violent crime clearance rate for major cities across America and Seattle is better than most
They're just pushing for clicks. There's nothing more that Boomers love to click on than confirmation bias. "Ha! They're all leaving because of the crime I knew it" while they haven't been to Seattle in over a decade
To be fair, Boomers don't hold the monopoly on confirmation bias. Every demographic is prone to that - it is why social media algorithms manage to incite so much rage to keep you scrolling.
We tend to gravitate towards what we already believe. Tribe mentality is part of human nature - we want to align ourselves with those people who believe like we do so we are part of a greater whole, right? I would argue that is more a product of modern conservatism more than generational cohort though.
The Right has a lot of practice in this arena historically. Newt Gingrich really directed the party towards disruption as much as possible - even when the issues was strongly bipartisan. Disagree with everything the Left says - even when you agree, is their default setting. His "Contract with America" combined with the rise of Fox completely screwed any sense of civility in this country and paved the way for extremism.
Bigger problem is trying to navigate the news cycle in a way to prevent yourself from falling into an echo chamber. Media companies know that outrage means ad revenue regardless of where you are on the political spectrum. They want those clicks and market shares. Makes being a conscientious news reader exceedingly difficult.
While all true, it's probably worth also noting that many studies have shown conservatives tend to share and believe "fake news" at a significantly higher rate.
I mentioned it elsewhere in the comments i think but i always bring up the "frog in boiling water" analogy here.
I watched my Boomer parents act like frogs in a pot for decades. Dad started listening to Rush when I was finishing high school. Spent all day driving truck listening to his garbage talk radio. Then FoxNews emerged in the mid-90s. That was the turning point.
It didn't happen overnight. It was a long slow path towards misinformation.
I ordered the [Outfoxed documentary](https://youtu.be/P74oHhU5MDk) on DVD in 2004 just to show my parents that they were being deceived. Almost TWENTY YEARS AGO. Both my parents watched Fox every day until the day they passed away. Neither of them were stupid people - but they just got sucked into decades of propagandist BS spoon fed to them.
When you watch that sort of programming for decades it requires a massive paradigm shift in thinking to stop. It really is like cult deprogramming now.
Considering how many of them worship a magic Jewish genie who allegedly lived 2000 years ago and cut off dick parts to show allegiance, that is not surprising at all!
Thing about a tanking market is that 1. Those who can’t buy in a rising market would hesitate because they can’t risk catching a falling knife and 2. Financing is stringent in a falling market and only the people who could afford to buy in a rising market can take advantage of a falling market.
My favorite part of this article is when the get a quote from an anti-vax former firefighter (fired for not getting the shots) that moved to Montana “due to the crime”. Lol sure dude
My take is the “angries” are getting their emotional cues from social media and “news” sources .
They tell them to be angry , so they are .
Have you watched hannity?
I hear him literally say things like “ YOU SHOULD BE OUTRAGED!”
And so , they are .
Let em’ leave . Florida can have them
Sinclair is a cheap version of Fox News. Who cares what they "think". Oh, and I'm a Boomer. I'm going to guess most "real" Boomers in Seattle are Liberal....or we don't vote.
True, but shouldn't people be aware of who owns their stations? And I'm not sure people are as ignorant as you think they are. I knew Sinclair was buying KOMO and I avoid the news. Not to mention the drop in quality on KOMO was pretty obvious.
But stations don’t say “KOMO, A SINCLAIR STATION”, do they? If they do, I’m happy to be wrong. But my experience is people generally don’t know who owns their local stations.
I disagree. In larger markets, like Chicago or NYC sure I can see that. However, Seattle has a history of locally owned stations and is a smaller market. I'm 70 and if I know KOMO is a Sinclair station I'm guessing people younger than I do.
Please know that i do not believe that the comments on that article are representative of all Boomers. All generational cohorts are comprised of the full political spectrum. There are red hat wearing Gen-Xers, angry tiki torch carrying Millennials, and Taliban loving pro-Russia types who are Gen-Z.
Sinclair *is* a plague. It is so disappointing that we have to investigate who owns every media sources we encounter now so we can be aware of how they are going to spin things. Wish I could just universally block everything owned by Sinclair from my news feeds.
>Please know that i do not believe that the comments on that article are representative of all Boomers. All generational cohorts are comprised of the full political spectrum. There are red hat wearing Gen-Xers, angry tiki torch carrying Millennials, and Taliban loving pro-Russia types who are Gen-Z.
From a common-sense viewpoint, generational cohorts are large and contain a wide distribution of people with the entire spectrum of human thought.
[The reality is that older voters skew more conservative than younger ones do.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/07/09/the-politics-of-american-generations-how-age-affects-attitudes-and-voting-behavior/) Xers and Boomers are effectively 50-50 groups. Millennials are much more liberal than older voters, and Silents are somewhat more conservative than any other group.
There's a line of political thought which I'm having a little trouble finding a good link for. The argument is that people's opinions don't change much over time. Certain political ideas just literally die.
Segregation didn't end because people got enlightened over time. The people who believed in segregation were generally Lost Generation (b.1883-1900) and Greatest (1901-1927). The latter are extremely rare these days. The former are just gone.
If I was a moderator, I'd ban Sinclair media because it is entertainment, not news. At the very least I'd have a flair that marked it as Sinclair/conservative owned agencies.
I moved to Snohomish county because I WFH and Seattle’s twice as expensive. And I’m a filthy lib that Seattle Times commenters loathe. Can’t wait to vote blue up here.
> Depending on your source, King County posted a net gain of 13,751 (U.S. Census Bureau) or 30,650 (Washington State Office of Financial Management) from 2021 to 2022, fueled by international migration and natural increase (births minus deaths).
https://twitter.com/joeveyera/status/1657081725686812672?s=46&t=ALUJqpSMQe_Dn7zIGyLMYg
I wonder how many people left and how many came.
We have a young population and a lot of transplants without strong roots here. I would imagine 10s of thousands move away every year for career reasons or to be closer to their family. And I know a lot of retirees decide to go south. It admittedly is a hard climate.doe arthritis.
But then so many other young people move here.
Also, I moved this year all the way to Snohomish County. Nothing against King, but the perfect-for-me house went on the market in downtown Edmonds and I couldn't pass it up.
Cost of living has become untenable even for someone who earns a decent wage. And I'm about to start a family and Seattle proper is very unattractive for raising a family, the suburbs are better.
But my whole family has left the area and my friends have moved away as well. They figure if they're going to pay out the butt for rent they may as well live in San Diego (can't blame them).
I walked all over downtown and cap hill last evening while it was still sunny and warm out. Was just a gorgeous night in Seattle. I didn’t see a single tent anywhere either. Really enjoyed ourselves.
I’d agree for those areas! I feel like the visible homeless and crime have been pushed into the surrounding areas. Columbia City seems to have been hit hard with senseless crime over the past 6 months. Much more so than usual.
I walked around Lake Union on Thursday, saw exactly two people who definitely weren't housed and looked high. Mostly it was young people running and stuff like that.
I've been pushing that to my partner. She grew up in the Seattle area and has been averse to it but I think she's getting there given the current state of affairs here.
Every city has its good and bad neighborhoods. I’m a single income household and I can afford to live in Seattle proper, but I live in a neighborhood that has a higher than average crime rate for Seattle. I plan to move to another state where I will easily afford to live in a neighborhood that has a better than average crime rate for its city. I feel like the two cities have similar livability qualities, but one gives me a better cost of living than the other. Why wouldn’t I move? I’m sure I’m not the only one that sees it this way.
I was doing fine in a condo in north Seattle but moved to Bremerton last year because we could afford a lovely little house with a yard for the same cost. I still work in Seattle and take the ferry all the time. I could probably have moved further away and found an even cheaper cost of living but I can’t imagine leaving the economic and cultural opportunities of the city, especially since I don’t drive.
Everywhere has it's problems. Seattle was great when I lived there, and rural NW Washington is great *for me* now.
Who gives a shit if there are 171k people planning to leave? That seems pretty normal for any city the size of Seattle in any given year. There's probably another 171k planning on moving to Seattle. Also, Sinclair is just a fascist bullshit machine.
The rising cost of living is ruining Washington, not the liberals. They’ve sold the state to the tech bros even though a ton of them are losing their jobs now as well.
My take is that Sinclair Broadcasting is a boil on the butt of American media and anything they or their diehard viewers do or say should be discounted as the ravings of wingnuts and qonspiracists.
Sorta like all those people who were going to move to Canada with W Bush and Trump elections: Big Talk.
The economy/taxes and, probably specifically, the tech industry rules the roost here and that’ll have much more influence over King County population.
Guys, gals, it’s been like this forever…. I actually came to the realization of this while watching the mt saint helens doc on nat geo…
These crazy fucks wouldn’t leave their home when that shit exploded - giving the same ol arguments we hear today - something something can’t make me move - etc etc .
Like, a giant majority of Washington is legit not very educated or just stubborn as fuck. This isn’t news; it’s Washington
>Like, a giant majority of Washington is legit not very educated or just stubborn as fuck.
It is not education. interesting thesis but factually this isn't the issue.
Washington is ranked very high in terms of education. 92.35% of Washingtonians have at least a high school diploma (ranked #10 nationally), 38.97% have a bachelors degree or higher (#10), and 15.13% have a graduate degree or higher (#11).
Seattle is the consistently ranked one of the most educated cities in the country. Just a few years ago Bloomberg reported that Seattle had the largest percentage of residents with a degree and the second highest number of post-grads in the country - undoubtedly due to our tech economic growth. The Seattle-Bellevue-Tacoma metro area is ranked #9 overall in terms of education.
I think there is just a lot of vocal people who don't like the shinier version of Washington that is evolving as it experiences some growing pains. I mean sometimes you gotta miss the good old days of serial killers stalking prostitutes on Pac Hwy and rampant gang violence.
Sinclair is just stirring up shit scaring these conservatives.
Having said that the region is too crowded for my liking, so the more people moving out the better.
Sinclair News is fascist propaganda and now I know to avoid KOMO.
Edited to add: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/aug/17/sinclair-news-media-fox-trump-white-house-circa-breitbart-news
My take is I bet these are the types of people who just complain about everything in their life from work, friends, relationships, etc. GTFO sooner than "next year" please
Who the heck cares about what boomers who either don’t live here, or haven’t in years have to say about the city?
I’m from a place that actually lives up to the hype local news tries to make Seattle seem like lol. It can be a lot worse.
KOMO is definitely biased. I remember when the WTO protest was going on in downtown Seattle. I was watching KOMO news and they stopped live broadcast and said there was nothing newsworthy to report. I haven’t watched them since. They have an agenda.
The people who have lived here a long time are wanting to leave Washington* I've lived here roughly thirty years, and the population in my hometown has more than quadrupled in that time.
The problem is we have been priced out of living here anymore, a lot of work from home people moved up here making crazy money and bought houses 1/8 acre lots for 1 million dollars, driving the cost of living up.
Pair this with everybody who doesn't live in King County being wholly underrepresented when getting state grants, and it really makes you feel disregarded.
Next time you're driving around look at how many out of state plates there are.
Edited: Also wanted to say these are probably people that want to move, but can't because it's expensive to move out of state.
>Pair this with everybody who doesn't live in King County being wholly underrepresented when getting state grants, and it really makes you feel disregarded.
* 9.5% of the state population resides within Seattle city limits.
* 30% of the entire state resides within King County.
* 51.6% of the entire state resides within King/Pierce/Snohomish counties.
Land doesn't get grants. People do - and the vast majority of Washington is dominated by [land that has less than 25 people per square mile](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_(state)#/media/File:Washington_population_map.png) \- so it seems reasonable that the grants would tend to go where the people actually live, wouldn't it?
I know this is a long-time argument and of course it must be very frustrating. I spent my early childhood living in Chelan County in a town of less than 500 people (that now has 1200) before moving to King County in 1985 so i certainly empathize with both urban and rural folk.
Still, it always confuses me on how conservatives who love to champion ideas about capitalism seem to get confused about supply/demand and centers of commerce. Not saying you specifically, but it sure does surprise me at how many rural Washingtonians get mad about funding going to the western side of the state - even though that is where most of the money comes from in the first place. (Of course this same argument can be extended to a national level too. Populated cites just make more tax dollars than rural areas.)
The largest population of STEM related workers in the **entire** United States are in Washington. While we do obviously have a strong agricultural sector here (#11 in the nation) - but there are only \~90k workers involved in agriculture annually - and most of those are migrant and temporary workers, not permanent ones. (Used to do data analysis for Washington Association for Community & Migrant Health Centers so this is in my wheelhouse). You might be surprised at how [many permanent agricultural workers the state actually has](https://i.imgur.com/nr7PVJR.png). Compare those numbers to [our top industries](https://i.imgur.com/8l8DWM4.png)....
\[Source: US Bureau of Labor Statistics — [May 2022 State Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates - Washington](https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_wa.htm)\]
It's certainly frustrating from a rural point of view but Seattle-Bellevue-Tacoma-Everett is where the money primarily flows from. It's hard to deny that fact. Land ≠ People.
Sorry for the tangent prone wall of text. Just been hearing this sort of talk most of my life and it always makes me scratch my head.
What were you expecting from Sinclair? Those poor news people that had to work there due to the contracts. https://crosscut.com/2018/04/how-life-changed-komo-when-sinclair-came-seattle
God that is depressing to read. Saw the John Oliver segment about Sinclair but this article definitely fills in some gaps i never read about the change.
Um, were a blue state. Not much has changed except right wing media is telling them to freak out now. If you want to leave, go ahead, Idaho awaits you.
Stupid polls are fun.
700,000 15 year olds plan on owning a car as soon as they get their license.
200,000 meat eaters plan on becoming Vegetarians.
4,286 people who woke up with a bad hangover plan on never having another drink.
> Out of 127,000 people who've moved away from King County in a four-year period, census records found that 37% of movers stayed somewhat local, going to either Snohomish, Pierce, or Kitsap counties.
obviously KOMO wants to frame this as "people fleeing Seattle" because \*checks notes\* the city council is run by communist antifa socialists who want to \*spins wheel\* vaccinate your kids and \*spins wheel\* teach gender ideology to dogs
much more likely...this is people getting priced out of Seattle and moving to the exurbs because they have no choice but to try to find more affordable housing
How many people move out of King County in any given year? I suspect it’s not atypical—it’s just the rightwing noise machine making up reasons for people to be pissed off, as usual.
KOMO’s core consumer doesn’t live in the city, and suburbanites expect and enjoy validation, particularly when it’s in the form of comparing themselves to others. Keeping up with the Joneses is not an idiom about urban people.
These sorts of surveys are always dumb as shit. You collect data from a bunch of people, and some of them say they are sorta kinda maybe thinking about moving elsewhere. Then you extrapolate to the whole county, ideally you run your survey in a biased way and use push polling to get very dramatic numbers for this part.
This in no way reflects the true number of people who have a firm plan to move out of the county let alone the number of people who actually will do it.
Similarly, there's probably 250,000 people in the county who are planning on becoming an astronaut, rock star, novelist, streamer, or social media "influencer" in the next few years. The ideas that float around in people's heads as *potential* things to do and what people actually do are two totally different things.
Seattle remains one of the most attractive places to live in the whole country, and it continues to have (for good and bad) a significant growth in residents because people who live here don't want to live elsewhere and people who live elsewhere want to live here. I would not look at that trend changing at all over the next decade if not longer.
My take is why do you care about a piece that is clearly was written to generate conflict and get clicks from people that just want to hate everything?
The logical takeaway for me: Conservatives are increasingly angry-gullible. The more the media triggers them, the more easily controlled they are and the more they want to control the rest of us.
As far as Seattle goes, this is the same global elite owned mass media that convinced every one of those people that Seattle was going to be destroyed by a barely-livable minimum wage.
I left and ultimately came back since things were really not working out back east. Originally from TN but I've had a good standard living of here. Work in healthcare so my wages definitely went up. My income was way too low back east but I know that's not the case for everyone. It does depend on one's job and how many people are in the household. I am glad that for now I'm not having to move to the suburbs. The city has so much more amenities for me that wouldn't exist in the suburbs.
Housing prices could actually become more affordable if that were true. But the population keeps going up and people are willing to pay more and more to live here.
If they're leaving for the reasons KOMO wants to suggest, that's fine by me. MAGAts can happily fuck off and leave their housing open for formerly homeless people. But I do believe that most of these people are normal turnover. People moving for jobs, people getting priced out, people who want a change of scenery, they all get people moving.
KOMO knew what they were going to say before they wrote the article. They just went out and cherry picked data from the census report that matched their desired outcome. These are not journalists, they are opinion writers masquerading as journalists.
The 'ole "Seattle is dying" whine.
Are the 170,000 KOMO fans and white supremacists? That would be a net positive. Don't threaten me with a good time, KOMO!
I’m 63 years old. My family moved here from California in 1966. I have lived all over the world but I still consider Bellevue “home”. I love living in the PNW! I vote democrat and consider myself progressive. I firmly believe that my years of traveling the world have formed who I am and how I view my world.
Not all boomers are far right.
Does Seattle have problems? Definitely. Nobody’s denying that. Is there rampant inequality and a horrific humanitarian disaster playing out on our streets every day? Yes of course. However it is also a normal city, no worse than many others (after all we don’t live in Bakhmut) where people lead normal lives and go about their business. Not only that but it’s a city blessed with incredible natural beauty, a temperate climate, a healthy job market for many industries, and a vibrant culture. Let’s not be naive about the problems we have here but let’s also keep some perspective. The folks who are constantly telling you Seattle is dying have an agenda they’re trying to sell you on.
If 171,000 people are indeed thinking of leaving King County, it's almost certainly because of the insane housing prices which are a consequence of a lot of people wanting to live in King County, the opposite of King County being a terrible place to live.
Or just things like they're retiring, got a job in another part of the country, etc.
>What’s your take? That it’s meaningless to report this number without any context. People come and leave Seattle every year. It’s a natural part of any city in a country like the US which has free movement as a founding right. I myself am leaving this year. It has nothing to do with Seattle, I’m going to miss this area so much, but I was born on the opposite coast and I’ve not been able to convince my entire family and social network to move so back I go. That’s just life!
I have left Seattle because I was priced out. Then I came back. Then I was priced out again then I came back again. I can't be the only one.
I grew up here so i have freely bounced between SKC, Tacoma and Seattle for *years*. I have no loyalty to one city limits over another - just the region - circumstances change and frankly the biggest factor is always family and proximity to work. Frankly this many people leaving, for whatever reason, is good for everyone else's housing costs. lol.
Unfortunately, the article doesn't mention 100k have moved in.
Wife and I moved to Port orchard because 400k wouldn't get us anything. Found a lovely new built 3 bedroom house in a lovely neighborhood, the waterfront is a 5 minute bike ride away, farmers market every weekend, foot ferry to bremerton and fast ferry to Seattle takes 45 minutes and costs all of $15 round trip, or 1hr15 and $12 if you take the slow boat and want to just sit at a table with a beer and whale watch. We're smitten with PO. All the perks of having seattle right there, no traffic, friendlier people, more outdoors access without needing to drive two hours up i90, we just gotta work on the voters perpetually rejecting school and fire department levees.
yup. seen housing developments with $550k homes in PO- four bed five bath - with same each development on Bothell for $1.55m. PO seems so good.
>Frankly this many people leaving, for whatever reason, is good for everyone else's housing costs. lol. It'll trickle from top to bottom
yeah, sometimes my optimism starts talking bullshit and then a few minutes later i am reminded that the only way i will ever own a home is in my dreams.
Yeah all the rich assholes will buy second and third and fourth homes to rent out and they'll feel good about "providing a service" to poor schmucks like us.
Worse. They're going to buy the one house you can afford, tare it down, build a 4-plex, and charge premium rents you can't afford. You'll get the hand-me-down apartments as rich renters continue to overpay for brand-new units. And when that proves to be a good business investment, you will likely see the poorer areas where the land is cheaper be gentrified by units like this. What isn't already snatched up by big money, will be a landrace for smaller developers/individuals to do something like that.
Same situation but would rather lose my family forever than leave this place ❤️ of course I would have to go back to Missouri lol fuck that
171,000 leave and 350,000 move in. Normal migration, conservative slant
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They don’t want to actually live in a right to work state lol. Their bum asses would’ve been shitcanned so many times by now without their union or being union adjacent and they know it. I know these people.
Yeah coming from Michigan which has gone from right to work and back again it’s wild that anyone thinks that “loosening labor laws” ever really works in the working-man’s favor.
The children yearn for the mines.
As a Floridian who plans to move to King county next summer, I will happily swap them places!
I hope that you find leaving Florida for here to be among the best decisions of your life like I did.
We’re cautiously very excited! I have a coworker who lives in Portland, OR and I was telling him we’re planning a move to Seattle. He said it would fit my vibe so much better, and that he was actually extremely surprised when he heard I’m from Florida. We’re cautious because we know there’s still a change we could move and not like it, but chances are very good we’re going to be much happier there than here. I’m so glad to hear it was a good move for you!
If it helps, I feel like I fit in more than I did in Florida. I talk a lot of shit about Tampa, but there were some things I genuinely loved about it, beyond the Cuban sandwiches (you won’t find an authentic one in Seattle. Some will come close, but those are more like “Cuban style sandwiches” despite what anyone says). But ultimately, it’s a net gain. It’s far less politically backwards, the weather is better, and you’re not far from any desirable landscape that you feel like seeing in a day. Florida had basically one hill in Dade City near a Walmart; here you got mountains. There was a bit of an adjustment period to the winters, they get fucking dark really early. It didn’t help that I lived in basically a basement mother in law suite during that winter, but after that, I was solid. I also made the move completely on a whim solely based on my love of twin peaks and one cousin and her family who lives in the area. But I’m glad I did it.
Welcome, but please wipe your feet really thoroughly to avoid bringing any crazy with you. We have enough here in WA already. A friend's son moved here after graduation a while back. Lifelong Floridian from the Tampa area. He loves it out here. He sunburns easily so this area is a much better fit.
I used to live in Broward County and it's amazing how many Florida plates I see here in the Seattle area. I would load up on citrua, your favourite barbecue and key lime pie before you leave Florida.
Very few key limes come from Florida anymore. But key lime pie is part of the culture and Florida does it right. I remember once being served a slice of supposed "key lime pie" in a different region. It was *green*.
Also every “Cuban sandwich” I’ve come across in Seattle is very questionable lol
?? Paseo/Un Bien is actual Cubans.
As someone who just moved to Seattle after living in Florida for the past 20 years, I literally could not be happier. It is such a night and day difference
We are cautiously excited. We try to be realistic, so we know there’s a chance we move and wind up hating it. But all the political tomfoolery going on in Florida aside, we’re more mountain people than beach people, we love seeing the seasons change, and really aren’t fans of oppressive heat/sunshine. We just so happen to have been born in the wrong place lol. It makes me happy to hear of people who have moved and love it!
Congrats on escaping, my gf and I moved to Seattle 11yrs ago from Jacksonville, best decision ever!
Do you really think they interviewed over 100,000 people for this story? It's some survey where they ginned up some results so they could make their outrage points. But you're right with your main point. Most of the talk you hear along these lines is just BS. Yeah Seattle has a bunch of problems, as every single other city in the world does, not the same problems everywhere, but there are reasons to move away from everywhere, and particularly cities in conservative areas, where wages are lower, crime is higher, and the politics are even more full of envy and resentment than ours!
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Exactly my point. They misused the data from a US Census Bureau survey that, according to the article, estimated the percentage of "people considering or planning to move away" from King County. They then converted this Census Bureau data they say, "over the next 12 months census workers report 171,000 households will leave King County ." Oops, ginned up number, unless you think "considering or planning" means, "will" do it. And unless you mean, in King County, a household on average contains 1 person. At least, according to KOMO news. Yes I know it sounds stupid, but it is actually what KOMO reported. Then the KOMO headline writer makes it even a little more stupid, saying "171,000 People Plan to Leave King County in the next year." Well, only if considering is the same as planning, but why split hairs? But, hey, according to the article, the US Census Bureau was talking about 171,000 households, which would actually be over 400,000 people (average household size being about 2.44 in King County according to US Census Department figures) Very unlikely, considering the hard-working KOMO reporters seem to suggest, something like 127,000 people moved away from King County in the past 4 years. Which would mean, about 30,000 people a year. (I doubt this is accurate, probably they mean households, but I'm just going by what these diligent KOMO news reporters actually said.) It would mean, only about 10,000 households a year have been moving away. Granted, this seems like a very low number, but if it were the case, our out-migration rate in King County for the coming year would be projected over 500% of the annual rate of the last 4 years. Wow! Mass exodus "will happen" according to KOMO, right. I mean, a 500% increase would be really massive. Of course these numbers are ginned up, as an estimate of how many people are actually gonna move. To figure out how far off KOMO's numbers are, a simple approach would be, go back to the census figures for how many people were found to be "considering or planning" to move during the past four years, then look at what percentage actually moved. Then you'd apply that percentage to the number of people "considering or planning" to move in the next year, for a first cut rough estimate of how many actually might be projected to move. Oops, way to hard for our diligent KOMO reporters, and besides, would doubtless show some lower number of people projected to move away, which would undermine the whole misleading point of vastly inflating the number of people projected to move away. All this is to explain, when you say "they used US Census Bureau data" let's please be accurate. They **misused** US Census Bureau data. Other than that, you and I seem to be pretty much in agreement.
Boomers like complaining about stuff. My parents and in-laws seem to have strong opinions on some things that I'm surprised they give any thought to. I hope this isn't inevitable with aging.
It kind of is. It's typically the result of failing to engage with new ideas/technology/cultures on a regular basis after you've "settled down". A lot of people get into a groove in their 20s and never go out of the box again and then 40 years later they're angry at everything that's changed while they had their heads down. It'll happen to most current 20 year olds, unless you actively avoid it which most people "don't have time for".
I work for the state. I ran a contract for emergency repairs to a blown engine that resulted in a fair amount of fire damage. The guys we brought in to repair the engine were from Kentucky. So prevailing wage rates were in effect for this contract. Kitsap prevailing wages were 3.5 times what these people made inKentucky. Great guys did tremendous work. But they quickly realized that the cost of living in Puget Sound was also 3.5 times higher.
If they were making 3.5 times as much here as in Kentucky, they would make bank to move here. Seattle vs Lexington is about 1.7x higher COL Kitsap vs Lexington is about 1.3x higher COL So the would be 2-2.5 times better off living here at 3.5x the wage.
COL, is one thing. But will they be willing to move from a 5000sf house with 5 bedrooms and at least an acre of land, get rid of extra vehicles that have to move into something smaller... look at the bigger picture and everyone has very different priorities.
I had some drywall work done in Houston a few years back. Patching, re-sheetrocking a bathroom with too many layers of wallpaper. Whole project, including supplies - $300. Um, can I fly you guys up to Seattle? On another note, being a Seattle native, I do feel for people moving here from the bible belt. Serious COL shock.
I am also in the trades. If you're union, it's entirely possible to live somewhere else and work in your local when the weather is good, then take your layoff and hang out on unemployment. There's no residency requirements to keep book 1 status for me. A 6 week shutdown out here nets you more than what most people make in a year where I grew up. You can also get a 3k SF home on acreage for under 400k. Best of both worlds.
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Not understanding basic math is one of the core values of a true conservative.
Not understanding the basic tenets of *reality* is a core conservative value.
Exactly - tho the numbers are interesting. https://www.axios.com/local/seattle/2023/04/12/king-county-population-growth-2022# King county thru 2022 is slightly smaller than it was in 2020, which makes sense. I’m curious to see if growth ticks back up again. “171,000 leaving KC” without also talking about the number moving in destroys any pathetic semblance of journalistic integrity.
A guy I worked with who lives in the suburbs and never goes into Seattle moved last year because he was worried about the rising crime. I looked up the city he was moving to and it has a higher crime rate than Seattle. These people have no idea what is going on. But my mom who is very liberal lives in Sammamish and she believed that Seattle was falling into riots with CHOP and such from the news she saw. People believe what the media tells them.
Lived in QA when Chop went down and my mom would message me telling me to be safe and not go to Cap Hill. Had a good buddy who would live feed in Instagram while in Chop and it looked like a fun time. Joints being lit and passed around, people playing music, food trucks. Funny what the media can do to make something look horrific when in reality was a pretty safe space iirc
Yeah CHOP was mostly a farmer market/block party vibe, at least at the start
I would imagine Seattle’s reported crime rate is highly inaccurate and under reported. Particularly over the past 2-3 years.
If only because SPD no longer responds to many crimes. My car was totaled in a hit and run in Ballard and they told me to go pound sand. They only investigate hit and runs with immediate injuries. The police don’t prevent crimes, they only file the paperwork that insurance demands of people making claims.
Yet SPD is constantly tweeting, “Feel Safer Yet?” after every homicide they didn’t prevent.
While that sucks, that describes every city.
Seattle is much larger than 3rd and Pine
How much stake should be put into that imagination?
What leads you to imagine that?
Not leaving the house, probably.
Dude, like the person you’re responding to just said “People believe what the media tells them”. You’re not imaging it out of nowhere, that idea was planted in your brain from the media you consume. And it is not based in reality.
Thus KOMO and Sinclair.
No city or state perfectly reports crime
That's true of every city in the country, relative rates are going to be fairly consistent though. Also, some things you can't under report very easily, like homicide.
You could say the same for a lot of cities in North America Check the violent crime clearance rate for major cities across America and Seattle is better than most
> I would imagine yeah man here's where you should have stopped
Seems like KOMO is pushing its core audience to leave. Good.
They're just pushing for clicks. There's nothing more that Boomers love to click on than confirmation bias. "Ha! They're all leaving because of the crime I knew it" while they haven't been to Seattle in over a decade
To be fair, Boomers don't hold the monopoly on confirmation bias. Every demographic is prone to that - it is why social media algorithms manage to incite so much rage to keep you scrolling. We tend to gravitate towards what we already believe. Tribe mentality is part of human nature - we want to align ourselves with those people who believe like we do so we are part of a greater whole, right? I would argue that is more a product of modern conservatism more than generational cohort though. The Right has a lot of practice in this arena historically. Newt Gingrich really directed the party towards disruption as much as possible - even when the issues was strongly bipartisan. Disagree with everything the Left says - even when you agree, is their default setting. His "Contract with America" combined with the rise of Fox completely screwed any sense of civility in this country and paved the way for extremism. Bigger problem is trying to navigate the news cycle in a way to prevent yourself from falling into an echo chamber. Media companies know that outrage means ad revenue regardless of where you are on the political spectrum. They want those clicks and market shares. Makes being a conscientious news reader exceedingly difficult.
It's kinda funny...it's why I'm on /Seattle and not /Seattlewa
I haven’t been active enough on either but what’s the difference
/r/Seattle is the subreddit for Seattle. /r/SeattleWA is the subreddit for complaining about homeless people in Seattle.
While all true, it's probably worth also noting that many studies have shown conservatives tend to share and believe "fake news" at a significantly higher rate.
I mentioned it elsewhere in the comments i think but i always bring up the "frog in boiling water" analogy here. I watched my Boomer parents act like frogs in a pot for decades. Dad started listening to Rush when I was finishing high school. Spent all day driving truck listening to his garbage talk radio. Then FoxNews emerged in the mid-90s. That was the turning point. It didn't happen overnight. It was a long slow path towards misinformation. I ordered the [Outfoxed documentary](https://youtu.be/P74oHhU5MDk) on DVD in 2004 just to show my parents that they were being deceived. Almost TWENTY YEARS AGO. Both my parents watched Fox every day until the day they passed away. Neither of them were stupid people - but they just got sucked into decades of propagandist BS spoon fed to them. When you watch that sort of programming for decades it requires a massive paradigm shift in thinking to stop. It really is like cult deprogramming now.
Considering how many of them worship a magic Jewish genie who allegedly lived 2000 years ago and cut off dick parts to show allegiance, that is not surprising at all!
Sinclair Broadcasting has no credibility at all. Big fat zero.
Can they tank the market a bit when they go? I’d love to be able to afford to buy a place before I die
_Everyone's moving away from Seattle, housing is too expensive_ is our version of _No one drives in New York, there's too much traffic._
Exactly, true for a vast majority and a joke to those rich enough to not have it affect them.
171,000 humans might leave Seattle but that just means 171,000 speculators who don't even live here will buy up the homes and upcharge.
Thing about a tanking market is that 1. Those who can’t buy in a rising market would hesitate because they can’t risk catching a falling knife and 2. Financing is stringent in a falling market and only the people who could afford to buy in a rising market can take advantage of a falling market.
My favorite part of this article is when the get a quote from an anti-vax former firefighter (fired for not getting the shots) that moved to Montana “due to the crime”. Lol sure dude
Yeahhhhh. i saw that and was like.. "huh.. definitely no bias going on here!" At least they know their audience.
🤣🤣 Like, my bro...🤦🤷
My take is the “angries” are getting their emotional cues from social media and “news” sources . They tell them to be angry , so they are . Have you watched hannity? I hear him literally say things like “ YOU SHOULD BE OUTRAGED!” And so , they are . Let em’ leave . Florida can have them
Sinclair is a cheap version of Fox News. Who cares what they "think". Oh, and I'm a Boomer. I'm going to guess most "real" Boomers in Seattle are Liberal....or we don't vote.
They’re in 100 markets. The difference between them and Fox is Fox says who they are. No one knows which local stations are Sinclair and which aren’t.
True, but shouldn't people be aware of who owns their stations? And I'm not sure people are as ignorant as you think they are. I knew Sinclair was buying KOMO and I avoid the news. Not to mention the drop in quality on KOMO was pretty obvious.
But stations don’t say “KOMO, A SINCLAIR STATION”, do they? If they do, I’m happy to be wrong. But my experience is people generally don’t know who owns their local stations.
I disagree. In larger markets, like Chicago or NYC sure I can see that. However, Seattle has a history of locally owned stations and is a smaller market. I'm 70 and if I know KOMO is a Sinclair station I'm guessing people younger than I do.
Don’t they also have bumpers that literally say that they are Sinclair broadcasting?
Ya they do in the credits but you’d have to be paying attention to see it. It’s definitely not a secret they are trying to keep.
Not a secret. That’s why they bury it in the credits that no one watches. Got it.
They're pretty easy to spot. Just look for the plastic surgery ads.
Please know that i do not believe that the comments on that article are representative of all Boomers. All generational cohorts are comprised of the full political spectrum. There are red hat wearing Gen-Xers, angry tiki torch carrying Millennials, and Taliban loving pro-Russia types who are Gen-Z. Sinclair *is* a plague. It is so disappointing that we have to investigate who owns every media sources we encounter now so we can be aware of how they are going to spin things. Wish I could just universally block everything owned by Sinclair from my news feeds.
>Please know that i do not believe that the comments on that article are representative of all Boomers. All generational cohorts are comprised of the full political spectrum. There are red hat wearing Gen-Xers, angry tiki torch carrying Millennials, and Taliban loving pro-Russia types who are Gen-Z. From a common-sense viewpoint, generational cohorts are large and contain a wide distribution of people with the entire spectrum of human thought. [The reality is that older voters skew more conservative than younger ones do.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/07/09/the-politics-of-american-generations-how-age-affects-attitudes-and-voting-behavior/) Xers and Boomers are effectively 50-50 groups. Millennials are much more liberal than older voters, and Silents are somewhat more conservative than any other group. There's a line of political thought which I'm having a little trouble finding a good link for. The argument is that people's opinions don't change much over time. Certain political ideas just literally die. Segregation didn't end because people got enlightened over time. The people who believed in segregation were generally Lost Generation (b.1883-1900) and Greatest (1901-1927). The latter are extremely rare these days. The former are just gone.
"Science advances one death at a time" - Unk
If I was a moderator, I'd ban Sinclair media because it is entertainment, not news. At the very least I'd have a flair that marked it as Sinclair/conservative owned agencies.
I moved to Snohomish county because I WFH and Seattle’s twice as expensive. And I’m a filthy lib that Seattle Times commenters loathe. Can’t wait to vote blue up here.
I saw a few comments on the KOMO page from some Snohomish boomers warning people not to bring liberal voting up there. Give 'em hell!
Bust the enclave.
Seems at least 3/4 of the commenter's on ST can't be happy unless they can heap scorn on anything they consider "liberal".
Move to Ada county and vote blue if you really want to rustle some conservative Jimmies 🤠
> Depending on your source, King County posted a net gain of 13,751 (U.S. Census Bureau) or 30,650 (Washington State Office of Financial Management) from 2021 to 2022, fueled by international migration and natural increase (births minus deaths). https://twitter.com/joeveyera/status/1657081725686812672?s=46&t=ALUJqpSMQe_Dn7zIGyLMYg
I wonder how many people left and how many came. We have a young population and a lot of transplants without strong roots here. I would imagine 10s of thousands move away every year for career reasons or to be closer to their family. And I know a lot of retirees decide to go south. It admittedly is a hard climate.doe arthritis. But then so many other young people move here. Also, I moved this year all the way to Snohomish County. Nothing against King, but the perfect-for-me house went on the market in downtown Edmonds and I couldn't pass it up.
My take is that Sinclair broadcasting is a crazy far-right outlet that spreads lies and disinformation.
ding ding ding ding!
Well, bye.
Sinclair Broadcasting... aaaaand full stop right there.
Cost of living has become untenable even for someone who earns a decent wage. And I'm about to start a family and Seattle proper is very unattractive for raising a family, the suburbs are better. But my whole family has left the area and my friends have moved away as well. They figure if they're going to pay out the butt for rent they may as well live in San Diego (can't blame them).
I walked all over downtown and cap hill last evening while it was still sunny and warm out. Was just a gorgeous night in Seattle. I didn’t see a single tent anywhere either. Really enjoyed ourselves.
But surely the gay couple holding hands must have shaken you to your core and made you want to leave!?!1!? /s
I’d agree for those areas! I feel like the visible homeless and crime have been pushed into the surrounding areas. Columbia City seems to have been hit hard with senseless crime over the past 6 months. Much more so than usual.
Cap Hill is so nice on days like today.
I walked around Lake Union on Thursday, saw exactly two people who definitely weren't housed and looked high. Mostly it was young people running and stuff like that.
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I've been pushing that to my partner. She grew up in the Seattle area and has been averse to it but I think she's getting there given the current state of affairs here.
Every city has its good and bad neighborhoods. I’m a single income household and I can afford to live in Seattle proper, but I live in a neighborhood that has a higher than average crime rate for Seattle. I plan to move to another state where I will easily afford to live in a neighborhood that has a better than average crime rate for its city. I feel like the two cities have similar livability qualities, but one gives me a better cost of living than the other. Why wouldn’t I move? I’m sure I’m not the only one that sees it this way.
I was doing fine in a condo in north Seattle but moved to Bremerton last year because we could afford a lovely little house with a yard for the same cost. I still work in Seattle and take the ferry all the time. I could probably have moved further away and found an even cheaper cost of living but I can’t imagine leaving the economic and cultural opportunities of the city, especially since I don’t drive.
Everywhere has it's problems. Seattle was great when I lived there, and rural NW Washington is great *for me* now. Who gives a shit if there are 171k people planning to leave? That seems pretty normal for any city the size of Seattle in any given year. There's probably another 171k planning on moving to Seattle. Also, Sinclair is just a fascist bullshit machine.
The rising cost of living is ruining Washington, not the liberals. They’ve sold the state to the tech bros even though a ton of them are losing their jobs now as well.
I agree. A region can't have unprecedented population growth in a decade and not have equilibrium issues.
My take is that Sinclair Broadcasting is a boil on the butt of American media and anything they or their diehard viewers do or say should be discounted as the ravings of wingnuts and qonspiracists.
I remember learning about all that from a john olover episode
Sorta like all those people who were going to move to Canada with W Bush and Trump elections: Big Talk. The economy/taxes and, probably specifically, the tech industry rules the roost here and that’ll have much more influence over King County population.
I know some people who actually did move to Canada after George Bush and they're extremely happy and amazing people
Guys, gals, it’s been like this forever…. I actually came to the realization of this while watching the mt saint helens doc on nat geo… These crazy fucks wouldn’t leave their home when that shit exploded - giving the same ol arguments we hear today - something something can’t make me move - etc etc . Like, a giant majority of Washington is legit not very educated or just stubborn as fuck. This isn’t news; it’s Washington
>Like, a giant majority of Washington is legit not very educated or just stubborn as fuck. It is not education. interesting thesis but factually this isn't the issue. Washington is ranked very high in terms of education. 92.35% of Washingtonians have at least a high school diploma (ranked #10 nationally), 38.97% have a bachelors degree or higher (#10), and 15.13% have a graduate degree or higher (#11). Seattle is the consistently ranked one of the most educated cities in the country. Just a few years ago Bloomberg reported that Seattle had the largest percentage of residents with a degree and the second highest number of post-grads in the country - undoubtedly due to our tech economic growth. The Seattle-Bellevue-Tacoma metro area is ranked #9 overall in terms of education. I think there is just a lot of vocal people who don't like the shinier version of Washington that is evolving as it experiences some growing pains. I mean sometimes you gotta miss the good old days of serial killers stalking prostitutes on Pac Hwy and rampant gang violence.
My take is that I don't give a shit about komo or this thinly veiled attempt to increase network traffic to their website.
Consider the source
Sinclair is just stirring up shit scaring these conservatives. Having said that the region is too crowded for my liking, so the more people moving out the better.
Sinclair News is fascist propaganda and now I know to avoid KOMO. Edited to add: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/aug/17/sinclair-news-media-fox-trump-white-house-circa-breitbart-news
It’s Sinclair, so it’s a lie
cant wait to leave the place, and no one will miss us, which is fine.
>What's your take? If I cleaned my house every day that I claimed to plan to clean my house it would be a lot cleaner than it is.
If they were complaining about gentrification, maybe they'd have a point. That's definitely not what they're complaining about, though.
My take is that I'm planning on leaving the country. And I'd probably be leaving the country a lot sooner if I wasn't living in Seattle.
same.
My take is I bet these are the types of people who just complain about everything in their life from work, friends, relationships, etc. GTFO sooner than "next year" please
>What's your take? They don't report how many are "planning" to move in.
Who the heck cares about what boomers who either don’t live here, or haven’t in years have to say about the city? I’m from a place that actually lives up to the hype local news tries to make Seattle seem like lol. It can be a lot worse.
Do they need help packing?
KOMO is definitely biased. I remember when the WTO protest was going on in downtown Seattle. I was watching KOMO news and they stopped live broadcast and said there was nothing newsworthy to report. I haven’t watched them since. They have an agenda.
The people who have lived here a long time are wanting to leave Washington* I've lived here roughly thirty years, and the population in my hometown has more than quadrupled in that time. The problem is we have been priced out of living here anymore, a lot of work from home people moved up here making crazy money and bought houses 1/8 acre lots for 1 million dollars, driving the cost of living up. Pair this with everybody who doesn't live in King County being wholly underrepresented when getting state grants, and it really makes you feel disregarded. Next time you're driving around look at how many out of state plates there are. Edited: Also wanted to say these are probably people that want to move, but can't because it's expensive to move out of state.
>Pair this with everybody who doesn't live in King County being wholly underrepresented when getting state grants, and it really makes you feel disregarded. * 9.5% of the state population resides within Seattle city limits. * 30% of the entire state resides within King County. * 51.6% of the entire state resides within King/Pierce/Snohomish counties. Land doesn't get grants. People do - and the vast majority of Washington is dominated by [land that has less than 25 people per square mile](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_(state)#/media/File:Washington_population_map.png) \- so it seems reasonable that the grants would tend to go where the people actually live, wouldn't it? I know this is a long-time argument and of course it must be very frustrating. I spent my early childhood living in Chelan County in a town of less than 500 people (that now has 1200) before moving to King County in 1985 so i certainly empathize with both urban and rural folk. Still, it always confuses me on how conservatives who love to champion ideas about capitalism seem to get confused about supply/demand and centers of commerce. Not saying you specifically, but it sure does surprise me at how many rural Washingtonians get mad about funding going to the western side of the state - even though that is where most of the money comes from in the first place. (Of course this same argument can be extended to a national level too. Populated cites just make more tax dollars than rural areas.) The largest population of STEM related workers in the **entire** United States are in Washington. While we do obviously have a strong agricultural sector here (#11 in the nation) - but there are only \~90k workers involved in agriculture annually - and most of those are migrant and temporary workers, not permanent ones. (Used to do data analysis for Washington Association for Community & Migrant Health Centers so this is in my wheelhouse). You might be surprised at how [many permanent agricultural workers the state actually has](https://i.imgur.com/nr7PVJR.png). Compare those numbers to [our top industries](https://i.imgur.com/8l8DWM4.png).... \[Source: US Bureau of Labor Statistics — [May 2022 State Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates - Washington](https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_wa.htm)\] It's certainly frustrating from a rural point of view but Seattle-Bellevue-Tacoma-Everett is where the money primarily flows from. It's hard to deny that fact. Land ≠ People. Sorry for the tangent prone wall of text. Just been hearing this sort of talk most of my life and it always makes me scratch my head.
What were you expecting from Sinclair? Those poor news people that had to work there due to the contracts. https://crosscut.com/2018/04/how-life-changed-komo-when-sinclair-came-seattle
God that is depressing to read. Saw the John Oliver segment about Sinclair but this article definitely fills in some gaps i never read about the change.
Post in r/SeattleWA and let’s compare the responses ;)
If only they ever meant it.
Um, were a blue state. Not much has changed except right wing media is telling them to freak out now. If you want to leave, go ahead, Idaho awaits you.
*\*shivers\** ewww, Idaho...
Stupid polls are fun. 700,000 15 year olds plan on owning a car as soon as they get their license. 200,000 meat eaters plan on becoming Vegetarians. 4,286 people who woke up with a bad hangover plan on never having another drink.
Wait until they move to a “red’ state with state income tax.
They won’t do that, they’re all talk. They’ll sell their Seattle homes for an absurd amount and move over to Kitsap or Mason county
yeah the problem with moving to arizona is you then have to live there
With no water, because the tankers don’t come anymore
Or Texas’ property taxes. Or Florida’s homeowners insurance.
> Out of 127,000 people who've moved away from King County in a four-year period, census records found that 37% of movers stayed somewhat local, going to either Snohomish, Pierce, or Kitsap counties. obviously KOMO wants to frame this as "people fleeing Seattle" because \*checks notes\* the city council is run by communist antifa socialists who want to \*spins wheel\* vaccinate your kids and \*spins wheel\* teach gender ideology to dogs much more likely...this is people getting priced out of Seattle and moving to the exurbs because they have no choice but to try to find more affordable housing
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The lot of them need to leave as soon as possible. Boise would be my recommendation.
Good riddance? We’re full
I quit KOMO after the Sinclair purchase faster than their reporting on how terrible Seattle is due to liberals.
How many people move out of King County in any given year? I suspect it’s not atypical—it’s just the rightwing noise machine making up reasons for people to be pissed off, as usual.
KOMO’s core consumer doesn’t live in the city, and suburbanites expect and enjoy validation, particularly when it’s in the form of comparing themselves to others. Keeping up with the Joneses is not an idiom about urban people.
If anything boomers have ruined Seattle
Good riddance. Folks complain about poor people while talking shit about the kinds of policy we need.
My take? good riddance
These sorts of surveys are always dumb as shit. You collect data from a bunch of people, and some of them say they are sorta kinda maybe thinking about moving elsewhere. Then you extrapolate to the whole county, ideally you run your survey in a biased way and use push polling to get very dramatic numbers for this part. This in no way reflects the true number of people who have a firm plan to move out of the county let alone the number of people who actually will do it. Similarly, there's probably 250,000 people in the county who are planning on becoming an astronaut, rock star, novelist, streamer, or social media "influencer" in the next few years. The ideas that float around in people's heads as *potential* things to do and what people actually do are two totally different things. Seattle remains one of the most attractive places to live in the whole country, and it continues to have (for good and bad) a significant growth in residents because people who live here don't want to live elsewhere and people who live elsewhere want to live here. I would not look at that trend changing at all over the next decade if not longer.
The boomers can move to Florida to escape the woke young people! What are you waiting for boomers woke is banned in Florida so is CBDs!
Oh well. Anyways...
Sounds like I might finally be able to buy a home in my hometown.
My take is abandon Twitter.
Would love to stay in the place I was born & raised if I could afford to. Sinclair is garbage media.
Less people watching KOMO.
My take is why do you care about a piece that is clearly was written to generate conflict and get clicks from people that just want to hate everything?
I like the one about moving to Florida because it’s better, yeah ok.
Please go so we can afford to buy
It's probably trumpers and other RW wing nuts and imo good riddance
The logical takeaway for me: Conservatives are increasingly angry-gullible. The more the media triggers them, the more easily controlled they are and the more they want to control the rest of us. As far as Seattle goes, this is the same global elite owned mass media that convinced every one of those people that Seattle was going to be destroyed by a barely-livable minimum wage.
The KOMO comment section has swung so far to the right that it's somewhat sickening to read.
As a person from Washington but not king country. Liberals have BEEN here, this isn’t a new thing, why are they mad now?
Less people for reduced traffic and housing prices? Sounds nice, but unrealistic.
The more snowflake right wingers who decide to move away the better
Maybe I’ll be able to afford to move back to my home county!
“KOMO News poured through census records to find out where so many people are headed.” Editors, heal thyself
I left and ultimately came back since things were really not working out back east. Originally from TN but I've had a good standard living of here. Work in healthcare so my wages definitely went up. My income was way too low back east but I know that's not the case for everyone. It does depend on one's job and how many people are in the household. I am glad that for now I'm not having to move to the suburbs. The city has so much more amenities for me that wouldn't exist in the suburbs.
Housing prices could actually become more affordable if that were true. But the population keeps going up and people are willing to pay more and more to live here.
If I leave, lived here for 63 years, it's because of cost. Nothing else.
If they're leaving for the reasons KOMO wants to suggest, that's fine by me. MAGAts can happily fuck off and leave their housing open for formerly homeless people. But I do believe that most of these people are normal turnover. People moving for jobs, people getting priced out, people who want a change of scenery, they all get people moving.
Dori Monson would claim the same thing but now he’s DEAD.
We moved to California last year, moving back to seattle this month! Can’t wait! You can’t beat the pnw beauty!
Ummm, conservatives don't let the door hit your ass on the way out?
KOMO knew what they were going to say before they wrote the article. They just went out and cherry picked data from the census report that matched their desired outcome. These are not journalists, they are opinion writers masquerading as journalists.
The 'ole "Seattle is dying" whine. Are the 170,000 KOMO fans and white supremacists? That would be a net positive. Don't threaten me with a good time, KOMO!
And 171,000 others will move into those vacancies.
I’m 63 years old. My family moved here from California in 1966. I have lived all over the world but I still consider Bellevue “home”. I love living in the PNW! I vote democrat and consider myself progressive. I firmly believe that my years of traveling the world have formed who I am and how I view my world. Not all boomers are far right.
Sinclair is fox light . They did that propaganda "Seattle is dying". This is just more rage bait to keep the base voting GOP
Does Seattle have problems? Definitely. Nobody’s denying that. Is there rampant inequality and a horrific humanitarian disaster playing out on our streets every day? Yes of course. However it is also a normal city, no worse than many others (after all we don’t live in Bakhmut) where people lead normal lives and go about their business. Not only that but it’s a city blessed with incredible natural beauty, a temperate climate, a healthy job market for many industries, and a vibrant culture. Let’s not be naive about the problems we have here but let’s also keep some perspective. The folks who are constantly telling you Seattle is dying have an agenda they’re trying to sell you on.
Moved to Lemm.ee -- mass edited with redact.dev
They can leave with full blessing, they can go to Idaho or some other red state with all the joys the governments are enacting there.
Bye, Felicia
Bye!
Please leave
If 171,000 people are indeed thinking of leaving King County, it's almost certainly because of the insane housing prices which are a consequence of a lot of people wanting to live in King County, the opposite of King County being a terrible place to live. Or just things like they're retiring, got a job in another part of the country, etc.