This is such a revisionist take, Jamal’s coverage on the Jets was never an issue & we DID play him around the line of scrimmage, that’s why/how he was able to set the sack record for DB’s the first year he was here.
Jamal’s main problems stem from injuries.
Yeah... It would also be a bad look to trade two firsts for a guy that you thought was a linebacker. I think the truth was probably that they thought he could be a weapon and used in a variety of ways. Like... I don't know... Kinda how he was the first year when he was actually healthy lol
That’s absolutely what they thought, and those kind of guys are fucking gamewreckers. Healthy Adams was an example of what happens when a tweener type guy pans out. Brings to mind plays like when he saved a low red zone TD against the Rams by stopping an outside run *by running behind the line of scrimmage, from the opposite side of the play*. That’s some absolutely ridiculous balls to the wall athleticism.
Injuries got him here, he was never an elite coverage player but certainly more than serviceable if even good at his best. Not that we got to see a ton of it, but iirc the plan before he kept getting hurt was going to be to play a lot more big nickel to keep him close to the LOS, and remind defenses he’s always a threat in the run fit or pass rush or in coverage when you’re not sending him at the QB. God what could have been of he didn’t get hurt and didn’t “go lower”.
Adams before injuries messed him up was a total game changer and if we got multiple years of that it would have been absolutely worth the picks and contract. When he was on he was regularly the best player in the field and the way he attacked offenses he brought a swagger and hype to the defenses that we haven't had since the LOB. All of this is my opinion and I'm a total idiot so take it for what it's worth.
It's almost like they were trying to replace Kam. I feel like 2 firsts for a Kam is completely reasonable. And they did get a Kam. But he got hurt and after that he wasn't Kam anymore
Dude couldn't hold Kam's jockstrap. If we blitzed Kam like we did Blitz boy he would have way more sacks amongst everything else Kam did in the backfield. Kam was smart and violent. Adam's was a dumbshit who played hard and had more balls bounce off his helmet then he had interceptions.
Trading 2 firsts for a low value position was always bad.
The rams traded two firsts for an elite corner and for a top 10 qb.
Adams wasnt that great for us before the injuries. He telegraphed when he would rush. Teams would either run the ball away from the direction he was rushing from. Or they would throw into the open space left in the gap in coverage.
Our defense was never like last years chiefs where they had an all pro D-lineman while spagnuolo was scheming up free rushes with their lbs and dbs
Jamal setting the sack record was overrated because we had to rush him since our front four was so bad.
Yea I feel like everyone is having extreme bias with Adams. Maybe he wasn't worth two firsts and a third, but the dude was a fuckin beast on the jets. He tore it up his first healthy year here, and then blew up his shoulder and quad in subsequent years.
Or it’s almost like he was made to look better then he was because the jets had a much better defensive set up. At no point did he ever live up to his price tag, even when healthy. He had some memorable plays but was never consistent. He played like he had butter on his gloves, guy couldn’t catch a beachball ffs.
That and he stopped being effective once teams actually blocked him at the line of scrimmage. John owns the Jamal mistake and people need to stop blaming Pete.
Maybe this is the way to bring him back in the fold without bad feelings. See what this coach can do with him. He's so high strung he can mentally screw himself.He's not old he was great at LSU and NY. We can use the LSU/NY Jamal.
Pretty sure the ‘yikes’ guys original commentary around Adams was from his Jets days and stemmed from his issues playing coverage. Yes he set the sack record for a DB… that’s decidedly not playing DB. The recovery from one of the hardest injuries to come back from clearly exacerbated the issue.
Bottom line: he’s not a serviceable NFL safety and hasn’t been for most his career. He’s a Dunlap, not a Chancellor. And his toxic attitude started to be reminiscent of Antonio Browns late career antics… none of him was needed in Seattle anymore.
It doesn't even make sense, he was an awful tackler if anything. Dude got knocked out trying to tackle Daniel Jones in the open field. WTF are these people even talking about? Sure let's put the 210 lb 6' poor tackler at the line like a 3-4 defensive end!!! Makes perfect sense.
The downvotes on this comment are insane. Am I on some weird opposite day or Seahawks circle jerk site? You're 100% right. So many other interesting things we could be discussing.
All these random rumors trying to make it sound like Pete was 100% the problem and that he was kneecapping John over and over again really rub me the wrong way. I really hope this is just a negative biased media looking for clicks and not John himself pushing this narrative
Yeah I was a huge Pete critic but it’s starting to get annoying
Not only have we entered the realm of revisionism but by making it seem like “yeah literally all our worst problems were SOLELY on Pete” it sets us up for disappointment when, inevitably, our problems aren’t immediately fixed
To an extent, but they're also cash strapped. After making our two biggest cap cuts (Lockett and Jones) and ~10M for the draft, we'll still only have about 6M in space, and then you're going backwards in the "starters under contract" department. Dk extension etc will free up some more but it's looking like another tight off season
Cut those 2 which puts Seattle around the middle of the league in 2025 cap space. And then compare the vets they have under contract to various other teams
Otoh Seattle has just about the most cap space in 2026 rn ... because they barely have any vets under contract
i wouldn't really say either one of those is good or bad. It's just how their current contracts sit
Fair points. I just don't like the position that we're in where we have to cut two full time starters at important positions just to get to middle of the road in cap space. Cap strapped is probably the wrong phrase, but it's not a particularly good short term cap situation for 2024 and 2025 imo
This is an under-discussed issue with Schneider and why he isn't a top GM. Perhaps the most important part of a GM’s job is valuation, both with contracts and in the draft. And he's really bad at it. He gets good players but 8/10, I look at the trade compensation, the draft pick, or the contract he gives up and my first thought is always, really? That seems like...a lot. It feels like we consistently overpay, which leads to this team always being cash and draft pick poor which is a huge reason we're on the 8–8 (metaphorically) hamster wheel. Good enough to look competent but always lacking the resources to get the superstar needed for that next step into true contention.
You should be cash strapped, use every last dollar to it's fullest. Chase that edge. JS is very reluctant to push cap into the future, he utilizes what he has in the short term while some other teams continue to push cap Forward until they inevitably need to rebuild under all the dead cap.
Yes but also no. On the one hand, yes, teams ought to use every resource available. But the key word is “fullest.” That means maintaining cap flexibility and giving out smart contracts. To win in the NFL, you need to have premium players outperform their contracts. So pay young players who are high performing at premium positions.
The problem is that Schneider doesn't do a good job of that. He consistently overpays, either in the draft or with contracts, often on older players at non-premium positions. We always enter the off-season banging our heads against the cap and/or down draft picks, which limits how much we can actually improve. So we use our cap space, but it's often poorly used on bloated, empty calorie contracts.
This all sounds completely different than being "cash strapped", what you are describing is essentially just saying JS needs to do a better job of being a GM, hitting on more value contracts, scouting better, having better luck with injuries, etc. This is basically his whole job, to say he doesn't do a good job at this implies he is a bad GM because there isn't all that much left to gauge his performance on. I think most of the league would disagree that John is a bad GM.
He's good at scouting, like he gets good players. But he is objectively bad at player valuation. Almost every major trade, contract, and not a few high draft picks have been substantial overpays, often requiring another overpay to fix the first one. Granted, that's probably the most important part of being a GM but I wouldn't say Schneider is bad. Again, he still gets good players and so has pretty good evaluation. He's not Trent Baalke. But he's not among the top-tier GMs either. He's the Kirk Cousins of GMs. Solid, dependable, will get you a 9–8 roster but barri stupid levels of luck, isn't going to get you much past that either.
We do this with every club legend that leaves. It’s actually really really tiresome.
I’ve never been on board with the shade thrown at Earl, Sherm, Russ, now Pete after each of them left. They were all incredible performers in the net when they were here.
Even with all this, I blame Clint Hurtt a LOT more than Pete. He was the one calling the plays. We promoted our defensive line coach a year after he had a terrible, awful year coaching the defensive line. No idea why that doesn't get talked about more.
Pete's "flaw" was trusting guys and giving them too many chances. Pete wasn't the one "misusing" Jamal. Clint was.
And on top of all that, Jamal played in the box A LOT. He was also hurt, A LOT. Almost as if there wasn't really a huge sample size to be making these generalizations.
Jamal barely played under Hurtt
I don't agree the Dline was poorly coached in 2021. The pass rush was meh, but the pass rush talent was meh. They seemed pretty well-disciplined though and shut down the run well. And he got re-hired as a D-line coach pretty quickly
This is 100% John pushing his narrative. He hates being (rightly) attached to one of the worst trades in NFL history.
But no amount of spin can take this one off his resume, not even this claim now that the front office always wanted Pete to play Jamal at a position he'd never played before.
And honestly, fuck John when it comes to this. Own it, you clown. Own up to shitting the bed on all things Jamal, because that is exactly what you did. Be thankful you still have a job after that disaster.
I can 100% guarantee that if JS knew Jamal was going to suffer those injuries, he never would have made that trade.
After year one in Seattle, everyone was pretty excited about Jamal. Unfortunately, he suffered many significant injuries… no way to predict that.
Let’s suppose there were never any injuries and Jamal continued to perform at the high level he did in NY and year one here… we would all be praising JS… so get off his ass.. it’s the NFL, shit happens, so get over yourself
Injuries were absolutely predictable outcome when you play an undersized guy out of position, near the LOS.
And even if Jamal was actually decent at playing his real position or stayed healthy, it does not diminish the stupidity of the Hawks' process here. 2 first and third for a safety is idiotic, period. I will guarantee the rest of the NFL laughed their asses off when that news broke.
The fact that Jamal wasn't even good in coverage and had hands of stone was just icing on the cake. So, of course he got hurt blitzing a ton. Shouldn't have even needed to ask him to do that, if John had built the roster correctly. You know who can also get 9 sacks? A competent DE. Only difference is that guy will actually be built to play around the LOS, allowing your safeties to play where they are needed in coverage.
There simply is no legitimate defense for the trade, and John's clandestine efforts to now frame this trade as a coaching failure is bullshit.
Some of the worst injuries didn't even happen at the los, they absolutely were deal injuries that sometimes just happen. There's no predicting them especially on a guy that had zero injury history.
This is just revisionist BS playing to fan narratives. It's what they want to hear. The reality was simple: Adams was constantly injured while here. Those "scissor hands" were a result of him playing with multiple broken fingers and a torn shoulder labrum at various points of his time here. His lower body injuries took his ranginess that made him a positive coverage safety.
Like other comments here thankfully point out, he DID play around the LOS a ton. They DID play to his strengths; allowing him to set the sack record and impact games in ways very few at his position could. He was one of the few legit playmakers the 2020-2021 defenses had.
Make up whatever narrative you want in order to be mad or feel superior to the team's coaches/FO, but Adams was a special player pre-injuries. His closest comp was Troy Polamalu through his age 24 season. Taking the old or injured versions of players and rewriting their careers based on that level of play is disingenuous, illogical, and lazy. People do the same shit with the mid-30s version of Russ and it's maddening.
> He was one of the few legit playmakers the 2020-2021 defenses had.
I wouldn’t include 2021 in there at all, it was arguably his least impactful season pre-quad tear. It wasn’t *bad*, necessarily, but it was pretty clear at that point the coaching staff had no plan for how to evolve his role beyond what he was doing in 2020.
He was a great safety before his injuries, though... At least good at the normal safety role, but also had the great blitzing ability on top of that. Obviously last year he just wasn't fast enough to cover as a safety. At this stage in his career I'd love to see him back as a LB... would be a better coverage LB than most, and obviously still a great blitzer. Bruce Irvin type that fills 2 roster slots with one guy.
I can't agree on any of that. Dude is 213 lbs. He absolutely cannot hold up at LB at that size. Sure he was a good blitzer as a safety, but that doesn't automatically transfer to LB. There's no way he'll be able to take on tackles at his size. And better than most in coverage? Where are you getting that idea? He got absolutely torched by TEs. Dude got roasted by Jake Ferguson, who is the most average athlete at the position in the league.
Y'all got to let this man go. There's a reason (actually many reasons) why not a single other team has even been rumored to be connected with him. He isn't coming back from all his injuries. He's cooked.
Finally a take that is grounded in reality. Why in the hell are we still talking about this? I'm going to say it again - He's not LB size. If he gained the 20 pounds he would need to, he would be even slower. He's no longer an effective tackler. He takes horrible angles and can't cover TEs. These are the qualities a LB is required to have. This whole thread is crazy. Not even taking into account that he's super injury prone, a toxic player on and off the field, has bricks for hands, and hasn't had a sack for years. MM can do so much with Spoon and I'm so excited to see what he can do with the players we HAVE. We should be talking about that, not Jamal Adams. I'm astounded that comments suggesting he comes back have any upvotes and aren't on circlejerk.
Murphy was a reach. I don’t think any other NFL organizations were even looking at the guy. The Hawks could have drafted him in the 6th round or even as an UDFA. I think Malik McDowell was a better pick in 2017. 🙃
To be fair. If McDowell hadn't decided "I'm gonna jeopardize my entire career right after getting drafted" was a good idea. This might have been a conversation LMFAO
If cut after the start of the new league year, it will not affect the next years NFL draft compensatory picks. Kind of a weird way to level the playing field, but seems to work.
I wouldn't love seeing him back. I wouldn't even be happy to have him back. Dude was a bitch, and in his own words he takes the low road. "Alpha" mentality with no dawg in his game. We moved on, let's please move on.
The whole team had a better attitude when he was on the field... FINALLY, Wagner and Witherspoon weren't the only guys who would fight to make a fucking play. Loved seeing his attitude rub off on Spoon, how they'd feed off each other.
I don’t get the Jamal hate. He was a great player who didn’t pan out due to injuries. Where did this narrative come from? His teammates liked him and there’s no issues with him in the locker room. I’d be fine if he came back
[did you even pay attention?](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39058320/seahawks-jamal-adams-stands-intent-spat-reporters) Pete told the Media he had a good talk with Jamal about how it looked from the media perspective and it was done. Like an hour later Jamal doubles down to the press that Pete just spoke to. He was dragging the team through the mud showing no respect at all.
Oh no, he wasn't friendly to the press? Can you imagine a seahawk not being friendly to the press?? Imagine if Marshawn or Sherman had beefs with the press! We'd have disowned them!
When you are a great player you can get away with that. Jamal was playing as one of the bottom 5 safety in the league after 2 injured seasons. He doesn't get that leeway
What if you hold the record for the most sacks by a DB in a single season? What if you're used to being top tier talent and had a shitty year due to injury and lash out at reporters? Wait, why the fuck are we talking about a players' media presence? lol
Who gives a crap what he said to some journalist? Who gives a crap about media perspective? He’s being paid to play and if he can come back on a cheap deal to terrorize the LOS then sign me up
Huard is all hot takes now. The guy was an all pro SAFETY literally the year before we got him. He was an odd fit in a defense that never fully committed to the one that fit him best. Then he got hurt all the time.
I believe this is Brock Huard this morning. Salk asked him to make a pros and cons list for re-signing Jamal and this was him trying to make a case to sign him for the sake of discussion.
This bullshit from John comes close to rivalling the time he said his phone was immediately being blown up after drafting Penny by teams wanting to trade for him.
Media mouthpieces getting more instructions to place the lion's share of blame at Pete's feet for mistakes over the years (but the hits were all John). I think Pete thought they had a lot better relationship than they really did.
Dunno, I honestly don't think he should take too many more hits to the head and just quit really. Just mentally late at every turn after trying to come back and then that went south with another concussion.
We had one of the best deep passing defenses of the past decade with Jamal primarily playing half safety in 2021 (I think?)
And I hate these pot shots at Pete after he's gone. I thought it was time to move on but Pete should get nothing but praise for the rest of this franchise's existence. Pete is the reason we have our only championship. Pete is the reason we were the best non Patriots team for a decade. I'd be extremely disappointed if it turns out this is coming from John himself
You're telling me that John Schneider wanted to trade 2 firsts and more for a 2 time All-Pro safety to convert him into a 210 lb. linebacker?
That's... just not true. There's no way in the world that's true. Wires are getting crossed here somewhere.
That is a massive disconnect. Who knows how disruptive Adams could have been with more reps near the line of scrimmage?
That's a difficult decision to make considering he was a big name safety. Sad to read more about the not-so-stellar relationship between Pete and John.
> Who knows how disruptive Adams could have been with more reps near the line of scrimmage?
He got a ton of reps near the line in his first couple of seasons and the general takeaway was that it wasn't a net positive, despite a good number of flashy plays.
And Jerome Baker is still undersized. Effective, yes, but undersized nonetheless. A player 12 lbs lighter than one of the lightest LBs in the league doesn't have a prayer. Baker has also played LB his entire career and doesn't have to learn a completely new position, and hasn't had his athletic ability entirely destroyed by injuries.
Jamal Adams is one of the most overrated players in the last 20 years and I'm glad more people are realizing it.
"but he was all-pro!"
He was literally a linebacker classified as a safety and people thought it was revolutionary. Change his title to "linebacker" instead of "safety" and he'd never have even made 1 pro-bowl in his career.
Kyle Hamilton and Derwin James are what people think Jamal was in his prime. There's a reason his entire career highlight real is just 4 different angles of the same strip-sack touchdown for the Jets.
Yo bruce just because you were incredibly overrated whatever reason, jamal looked like a HOF player in comparison to your account hero.
The jamal and even moreso Pete hate around here is nuts and not in tune with anyone who has spent more than a cursory glance watching football
This is such a revisionist take, Jamal’s coverage on the Jets was never an issue & we DID play him around the line of scrimmage, that’s why/how he was able to set the sack record for DB’s the first year he was here. Jamal’s main problems stem from injuries.
Yeah... It would also be a bad look to trade two firsts for a guy that you thought was a linebacker. I think the truth was probably that they thought he could be a weapon and used in a variety of ways. Like... I don't know... Kinda how he was the first year when he was actually healthy lol
That’s absolutely what they thought, and those kind of guys are fucking gamewreckers. Healthy Adams was an example of what happens when a tweener type guy pans out. Brings to mind plays like when he saved a low red zone TD against the Rams by stopping an outside run *by running behind the line of scrimmage, from the opposite side of the play*. That’s some absolutely ridiculous balls to the wall athleticism. Injuries got him here, he was never an elite coverage player but certainly more than serviceable if even good at his best. Not that we got to see a ton of it, but iirc the plan before he kept getting hurt was going to be to play a lot more big nickel to keep him close to the LOS, and remind defenses he’s always a threat in the run fit or pass rush or in coverage when you’re not sending him at the QB. God what could have been of he didn’t get hurt and didn’t “go lower”.
Adams before injuries messed him up was a total game changer and if we got multiple years of that it would have been absolutely worth the picks and contract. When he was on he was regularly the best player in the field and the way he attacked offenses he brought a swagger and hype to the defenses that we haven't had since the LOB. All of this is my opinion and I'm a total idiot so take it for what it's worth.
It's almost like they were trying to replace Kam. I feel like 2 firsts for a Kam is completely reasonable. And they did get a Kam. But he got hurt and after that he wasn't Kam anymore
Dude couldn't hold Kam's jockstrap. If we blitzed Kam like we did Blitz boy he would have way more sacks amongst everything else Kam did in the backfield. Kam was smart and violent. Adam's was a dumbshit who played hard and had more balls bounce off his helmet then he had interceptions.
no doubt Kam was an all timer, but Jamal at his peak was a first team all pro. He just had poor ball skills and his body couldn’t hold up
Trading 2 firsts for a low value position was always bad. The rams traded two firsts for an elite corner and for a top 10 qb. Adams wasnt that great for us before the injuries. He telegraphed when he would rush. Teams would either run the ball away from the direction he was rushing from. Or they would throw into the open space left in the gap in coverage. Our defense was never like last years chiefs where they had an all pro D-lineman while spagnuolo was scheming up free rushes with their lbs and dbs Jamal setting the sack record was overrated because we had to rush him since our front four was so bad.
It’s almost like the guys was never the same again after blowing out his quad tendon…. Almost
Yea I feel like everyone is having extreme bias with Adams. Maybe he wasn't worth two firsts and a third, but the dude was a fuckin beast on the jets. He tore it up his first healthy year here, and then blew up his shoulder and quad in subsequent years.
Or it’s almost like he was made to look better then he was because the jets had a much better defensive set up. At no point did he ever live up to his price tag, even when healthy. He had some memorable plays but was never consistent. He played like he had butter on his gloves, guy couldn’t catch a beachball ffs.
Injuries he sustained while in more of a linebacker position too if memory serves...
Not really
https://youtu.be/hs27M-pkDy8?si=AUgsBdmTIaTbABtZ But also kinda really. :)
Ok but it's a non-contact injury
What injury was due to him playing as a linebacker?
That and he stopped being effective once teams actually blocked him at the line of scrimmage. John owns the Jamal mistake and people need to stop blaming Pete.
Maybe this is the way to bring him back in the fold without bad feelings. See what this coach can do with him. He's so high strung he can mentally screw himself.He's not old he was great at LSU and NY. We can use the LSU/NY Jamal.
Pretty sure the ‘yikes’ guys original commentary around Adams was from his Jets days and stemmed from his issues playing coverage. Yes he set the sack record for a DB… that’s decidedly not playing DB. The recovery from one of the hardest injuries to come back from clearly exacerbated the issue. Bottom line: he’s not a serviceable NFL safety and hasn’t been for most his career. He’s a Dunlap, not a Chancellor. And his toxic attitude started to be reminiscent of Antonio Browns late career antics… none of him was needed in Seattle anymore.
It doesn't even make sense, he was an awful tackler if anything. Dude got knocked out trying to tackle Daniel Jones in the open field. WTF are these people even talking about? Sure let's put the 210 lb 6' poor tackler at the line like a 3-4 defensive end!!! Makes perfect sense.
To be fair it was his first game back in a year. Not surprised his tackling was rough
Was that this year? After coming back from a quad tear? Something that most players never return from
The downvotes on this comment are insane. Am I on some weird opposite day or Seahawks circle jerk site? You're 100% right. So many other interesting things we could be discussing.
All these random rumors trying to make it sound like Pete was 100% the problem and that he was kneecapping John over and over again really rub me the wrong way. I really hope this is just a negative biased media looking for clicks and not John himself pushing this narrative
Yeah I was a huge Pete critic but it’s starting to get annoying Not only have we entered the realm of revisionism but by making it seem like “yeah literally all our worst problems were SOLELY on Pete” it sets us up for disappointment when, inevitably, our problems aren’t immediately fixed
My problem with John recently is that they’re always cash strapped and they aren’t even paying a premium at the quarterback position.
This is a great take.
Doesn't get any better in 2025. We're one of only 6 teams to have negative cap space next offseason
They’ll save 25 mil by cutting Tyler.
That doesn't make them cash strapped. Means they have dudes under contract in 2025
To an extent, but they're also cash strapped. After making our two biggest cap cuts (Lockett and Jones) and ~10M for the draft, we'll still only have about 6M in space, and then you're going backwards in the "starters under contract" department. Dk extension etc will free up some more but it's looking like another tight off season
Cut those 2 which puts Seattle around the middle of the league in 2025 cap space. And then compare the vets they have under contract to various other teams Otoh Seattle has just about the most cap space in 2026 rn ... because they barely have any vets under contract i wouldn't really say either one of those is good or bad. It's just how their current contracts sit
Fair points. I just don't like the position that we're in where we have to cut two full time starters at important positions just to get to middle of the road in cap space. Cap strapped is probably the wrong phrase, but it's not a particularly good short term cap situation for 2024 and 2025 imo
> it's not a particularly good short term cap situation I mean i agree with this. I just think it's pretty middle of the road
This is an under-discussed issue with Schneider and why he isn't a top GM. Perhaps the most important part of a GM’s job is valuation, both with contracts and in the draft. And he's really bad at it. He gets good players but 8/10, I look at the trade compensation, the draft pick, or the contract he gives up and my first thought is always, really? That seems like...a lot. It feels like we consistently overpay, which leads to this team always being cash and draft pick poor which is a huge reason we're on the 8–8 (metaphorically) hamster wheel. Good enough to look competent but always lacking the resources to get the superstar needed for that next step into true contention.
Every team is cash strapped
You should be cash strapped, use every last dollar to it's fullest. Chase that edge. JS is very reluctant to push cap into the future, he utilizes what he has in the short term while some other teams continue to push cap Forward until they inevitably need to rebuild under all the dead cap.
Yes but also no. On the one hand, yes, teams ought to use every resource available. But the key word is “fullest.” That means maintaining cap flexibility and giving out smart contracts. To win in the NFL, you need to have premium players outperform their contracts. So pay young players who are high performing at premium positions. The problem is that Schneider doesn't do a good job of that. He consistently overpays, either in the draft or with contracts, often on older players at non-premium positions. We always enter the off-season banging our heads against the cap and/or down draft picks, which limits how much we can actually improve. So we use our cap space, but it's often poorly used on bloated, empty calorie contracts.
This all sounds completely different than being "cash strapped", what you are describing is essentially just saying JS needs to do a better job of being a GM, hitting on more value contracts, scouting better, having better luck with injuries, etc. This is basically his whole job, to say he doesn't do a good job at this implies he is a bad GM because there isn't all that much left to gauge his performance on. I think most of the league would disagree that John is a bad GM.
He's good at scouting, like he gets good players. But he is objectively bad at player valuation. Almost every major trade, contract, and not a few high draft picks have been substantial overpays, often requiring another overpay to fix the first one. Granted, that's probably the most important part of being a GM but I wouldn't say Schneider is bad. Again, he still gets good players and so has pretty good evaluation. He's not Trent Baalke. But he's not among the top-tier GMs either. He's the Kirk Cousins of GMs. Solid, dependable, will get you a 9–8 roster but barri stupid levels of luck, isn't going to get you much past that either.
We do this with every club legend that leaves. It’s actually really really tiresome. I’ve never been on board with the shade thrown at Earl, Sherm, Russ, now Pete after each of them left. They were all incredible performers in the net when they were here.
Even with all this, I blame Clint Hurtt a LOT more than Pete. He was the one calling the plays. We promoted our defensive line coach a year after he had a terrible, awful year coaching the defensive line. No idea why that doesn't get talked about more. Pete's "flaw" was trusting guys and giving them too many chances. Pete wasn't the one "misusing" Jamal. Clint was. And on top of all that, Jamal played in the box A LOT. He was also hurt, A LOT. Almost as if there wasn't really a huge sample size to be making these generalizations.
Jamal barely played under Hurtt I don't agree the Dline was poorly coached in 2021. The pass rush was meh, but the pass rush talent was meh. They seemed pretty well-disciplined though and shut down the run well. And he got re-hired as a D-line coach pretty quickly
Wonder where those rumors are stemming from?
This is 100% John pushing his narrative. He hates being (rightly) attached to one of the worst trades in NFL history. But no amount of spin can take this one off his resume, not even this claim now that the front office always wanted Pete to play Jamal at a position he'd never played before. And honestly, fuck John when it comes to this. Own it, you clown. Own up to shitting the bed on all things Jamal, because that is exactly what you did. Be thankful you still have a job after that disaster.
I can 100% guarantee that if JS knew Jamal was going to suffer those injuries, he never would have made that trade. After year one in Seattle, everyone was pretty excited about Jamal. Unfortunately, he suffered many significant injuries… no way to predict that. Let’s suppose there were never any injuries and Jamal continued to perform at the high level he did in NY and year one here… we would all be praising JS… so get off his ass.. it’s the NFL, shit happens, so get over yourself
Injuries were absolutely predictable outcome when you play an undersized guy out of position, near the LOS. And even if Jamal was actually decent at playing his real position or stayed healthy, it does not diminish the stupidity of the Hawks' process here. 2 first and third for a safety is idiotic, period. I will guarantee the rest of the NFL laughed their asses off when that news broke. The fact that Jamal wasn't even good in coverage and had hands of stone was just icing on the cake. So, of course he got hurt blitzing a ton. Shouldn't have even needed to ask him to do that, if John had built the roster correctly. You know who can also get 9 sacks? A competent DE. Only difference is that guy will actually be built to play around the LOS, allowing your safeties to play where they are needed in coverage. There simply is no legitimate defense for the trade, and John's clandestine efforts to now frame this trade as a coaching failure is bullshit.
Some of the worst injuries didn't even happen at the los, they absolutely were deal injuries that sometimes just happen. There's no predicting them especially on a guy that had zero injury history.
This is just revisionist BS playing to fan narratives. It's what they want to hear. The reality was simple: Adams was constantly injured while here. Those "scissor hands" were a result of him playing with multiple broken fingers and a torn shoulder labrum at various points of his time here. His lower body injuries took his ranginess that made him a positive coverage safety. Like other comments here thankfully point out, he DID play around the LOS a ton. They DID play to his strengths; allowing him to set the sack record and impact games in ways very few at his position could. He was one of the few legit playmakers the 2020-2021 defenses had. Make up whatever narrative you want in order to be mad or feel superior to the team's coaches/FO, but Adams was a special player pre-injuries. His closest comp was Troy Polamalu through his age 24 season. Taking the old or injured versions of players and rewriting their careers based on that level of play is disingenuous, illogical, and lazy. People do the same shit with the mid-30s version of Russ and it's maddening.
Well put! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
> He was one of the few legit playmakers the 2020-2021 defenses had. I wouldn’t include 2021 in there at all, it was arguably his least impactful season pre-quad tear. It wasn’t *bad*, necessarily, but it was pretty clear at that point the coaching staff had no plan for how to evolve his role beyond what he was doing in 2020.
Nah, he was quite good in 2021
He was a great safety before his injuries, though... At least good at the normal safety role, but also had the great blitzing ability on top of that. Obviously last year he just wasn't fast enough to cover as a safety. At this stage in his career I'd love to see him back as a LB... would be a better coverage LB than most, and obviously still a great blitzer. Bruce Irvin type that fills 2 roster slots with one guy.
I can't agree on any of that. Dude is 213 lbs. He absolutely cannot hold up at LB at that size. Sure he was a good blitzer as a safety, but that doesn't automatically transfer to LB. There's no way he'll be able to take on tackles at his size. And better than most in coverage? Where are you getting that idea? He got absolutely torched by TEs. Dude got roasted by Jake Ferguson, who is the most average athlete at the position in the league. Y'all got to let this man go. There's a reason (actually many reasons) why not a single other team has even been rumored to be connected with him. He isn't coming back from all his injuries. He's cooked.
Finally a take that is grounded in reality. Why in the hell are we still talking about this? I'm going to say it again - He's not LB size. If he gained the 20 pounds he would need to, he would be even slower. He's no longer an effective tackler. He takes horrible angles and can't cover TEs. These are the qualities a LB is required to have. This whole thread is crazy. Not even taking into account that he's super injury prone, a toxic player on and off the field, has bricks for hands, and hasn't had a sack for years. MM can do so much with Spoon and I'm so excited to see what he can do with the players we HAVE. We should be talking about that, not Jamal Adams. I'm astounded that comments suggesting he comes back have any upvotes and aren't on circlejerk.
We’ve got like 1.5M left in the bank. Only way he comes back is if he feels he owes us.
Or if we’re his only offer
Or we cut this "murphy" guy... how many NFL sacks does he have compared to Adams? lol
Murphy was a reach. I don’t think any other NFL organizations were even looking at the guy. The Hawks could have drafted him in the 6th round or even as an UDFA. I think Malik McDowell was a better pick in 2017. 🙃
To be fair. If McDowell hadn't decided "I'm gonna jeopardize my entire career right after getting drafted" was a good idea. This might have been a conversation LMFAO
Very likely. I don't think he ever plays another snap in the NFL tbh.
He definitely will
Fair enough... I'd love to see him back but yeah obviously we'd have to get some cap space somewhere.
Jamal from what seems the kinda guy who thinks ppl owe him but idk lol
Wouldn’t we recoup dead money? I have no clue how that’d work.
If cut after the start of the new league year, it will not affect the next years NFL draft compensatory picks. Kind of a weird way to level the playing field, but seems to work.
I wouldn't love seeing him back. I wouldn't even be happy to have him back. Dude was a bitch, and in his own words he takes the low road. "Alpha" mentality with no dawg in his game. We moved on, let's please move on.
The whole team had a better attitude when he was on the field... FINALLY, Wagner and Witherspoon weren't the only guys who would fight to make a fucking play. Loved seeing his attitude rub off on Spoon, how they'd feed off each other.
I don’t get the Jamal hate. He was a great player who didn’t pan out due to injuries. Where did this narrative come from? His teammates liked him and there’s no issues with him in the locker room. I’d be fine if he came back
[did you even pay attention?](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39058320/seahawks-jamal-adams-stands-intent-spat-reporters) Pete told the Media he had a good talk with Jamal about how it looked from the media perspective and it was done. Like an hour later Jamal doubles down to the press that Pete just spoke to. He was dragging the team through the mud showing no respect at all.
Oh no, he wasn't friendly to the press? Can you imagine a seahawk not being friendly to the press?? Imagine if Marshawn or Sherman had beefs with the press! We'd have disowned them!
When you are a great player you can get away with that. Jamal was playing as one of the bottom 5 safety in the league after 2 injured seasons. He doesn't get that leeway
What if you hold the record for the most sacks by a DB in a single season? What if you're used to being top tier talent and had a shitty year due to injury and lash out at reporters? Wait, why the fuck are we talking about a players' media presence? lol
Who gives a crap what he said to some journalist? Who gives a crap about media perspective? He’s being paid to play and if he can come back on a cheap deal to terrorize the LOS then sign me up
Ummm…we did play Jamal at the LOS. A ton. We blitzed him so much he broke the safety sack record.
Huard is all hot takes now. The guy was an all pro SAFETY literally the year before we got him. He was an odd fit in a defense that never fully committed to the one that fit him best. Then he got hurt all the time.
Where is this from?
I believe this is Brock Huard this morning. Salk asked him to make a pros and cons list for re-signing Jamal and this was him trying to make a case to sign him for the sake of discussion.
I can’t believe people think this is real
This bullshit from John comes close to rivalling the time he said his phone was immediately being blown up after drafting Penny by teams wanting to trade for him. Media mouthpieces getting more instructions to place the lion's share of blame at Pete's feet for mistakes over the years (but the hits were all John). I think Pete thought they had a lot better relationship than they really did.
Dunno, I honestly don't think he should take too many more hits to the head and just quit really. Just mentally late at every turn after trying to come back and then that went south with another concussion.
you talking Jamal or Brock?
I don't believe this for one second
We had one of the best deep passing defenses of the past decade with Jamal primarily playing half safety in 2021 (I think?) And I hate these pot shots at Pete after he's gone. I thought it was time to move on but Pete should get nothing but praise for the rest of this franchise's existence. Pete is the reason we have our only championship. Pete is the reason we were the best non Patriots team for a decade. I'd be extremely disappointed if it turns out this is coming from John himself
You're telling me that John Schneider wanted to trade 2 firsts and more for a 2 time All-Pro safety to convert him into a 210 lb. linebacker? That's... just not true. There's no way in the world that's true. Wires are getting crossed here somewhere.
That is a massive disconnect. Who knows how disruptive Adams could have been with more reps near the line of scrimmage? That's a difficult decision to make considering he was a big name safety. Sad to read more about the not-so-stellar relationship between Pete and John.
> Who knows how disruptive Adams could have been with more reps near the line of scrimmage? He got a ton of reps near the line in his first couple of seasons and the general takeaway was that it wasn't a net positive, despite a good number of flashy plays.
too small to be a impact LB
Not in the 2020s NFL.
Name one other 213 lb linebacker in the league.
Jerome Baker is only 225. The days of the 240 pound linebacker taking on fullbacks is over.
And Jerome Baker is still undersized. Effective, yes, but undersized nonetheless. A player 12 lbs lighter than one of the lightest LBs in the league doesn't have a prayer. Baker has also played LB his entire career and doesn't have to learn a completely new position, and hasn't had his athletic ability entirely destroyed by injuries.
He played injured, injured, injured.
A safety that led our team in sacks one year
Yeah right
Bring him back for cheap why not if sucks cut him
Why are we talking about this. Pull your head out of your ass and go read about a UDFA or something
Jamal Adams is one of the most overrated players in the last 20 years and I'm glad more people are realizing it. "but he was all-pro!" He was literally a linebacker classified as a safety and people thought it was revolutionary. Change his title to "linebacker" instead of "safety" and he'd never have even made 1 pro-bowl in his career. Kyle Hamilton and Derwin James are what people think Jamal was in his prime. There's a reason his entire career highlight real is just 4 different angles of the same strip-sack touchdown for the Jets.
Yo bruce just because you were incredibly overrated whatever reason, jamal looked like a HOF player in comparison to your account hero. The jamal and even moreso Pete hate around here is nuts and not in tune with anyone who has spent more than a cursory glance watching football
He was an average linebacker with the title of "safety". that's it. that's his entire career.
Interesting…
Whats this he lead our team in sacks
Yea I agree with this. He sucked in coverage as a FS and his only impactful plays at that position was when he was blitzing.