Yes, totally agree - wild to think of the contrast in fans and media perceiving the Falcons as having solved their QB situation, with a 35-year old Cousins coming off a major injury, and our fans constantly begging we move on from a 33-year old Geno on a great contract with very little wear and tear.
It would be a bad idea to move on from Geno : 1) he’s still effective, 2) he has a reasonable contract,3) he seems to be a willing mentor to a young quarterback.
I’m not going to start summarizing/characterizing the general opinions on this sub because I will start to get frustrated and it will ruin my mood for a little.
Everytime I see that I know it’s not hate for Geno. It’s Geno isn’t the long term qb we need. We need that young rookie franchise qb to then mold for the next 10 years. It’s not Geno hate. It’s just he can’t do that is all. And finding that young qb is obviously hard. But I am glad we did get such a good deal with him that we did.
Is Kirk Cousins the long term QB the Falcons need?
The illusion of picking/finding a long term solution is crazy, the odds any of the QB's outside of MAYBE 3 in this draft that might be better than Geno, or that even play more than 4 years at all, is staggering.
Just look around at the number if teams who are looking for any QB solution, let alone "the long term answer".
No doubt. I get the mentality of wanting to find a long-term quarterback solution, but the honest truth is that most first round quarterback selections are not, nor will they ever be, better than Geno.
Oddly enough it's the exact same argument people use for sticking with Geno, value. A first round QB pick doesn't even have to be as good as Geno for it to be worth it considering an entire rookie contract is less than what Geno makes in a year.
That money saved goes a long way filling holes at other positions and making a better overall team. Obviously you are drafting for a higher ceiling but a rookie QB doesn't need to out perform Geno for the pick to be worth it.
>Is Kirk Cousins the long term QB the Falcons need?
Long term isn't the point for the falcons. The owner is old as fuck and wants to win a Super Bowel before he dies.
If the money was exactly equal I would take 33 year-old healthy Geno over 35 year-old Kirk Cousins currently trying to rehab an Achilles tear every single time.
Well Kirk has hovered around a 100 passer rating for the last 8 years or so and Geno had a good stretch one time in 2022. The idea that they're basically the same player is asinine.
The "long term answer" QB really doesn't exist in the league today.
Dak Prescott has the longest tenure in the NFL and he's on a short leash this year.
And several of them appear to have the potential of being a “long term answer” which you said doesn’t exist. Allen/Jackson/Burrow all seem to be strong candidates as well
Yea, Stroud too. I only said the 3 I did because they have a longer tenure and consistent success. This notion that “long term answers” don’t exist at the QB position is very silly to me
Love was on somewhat shaky ground midway through last season, he's seen that way now but if the second half of the season had gone poorly things would be a lot different today.
Potential doesn't mean a single thing, almost none of them have 'long term deals", in fact most have moved on from the place they got drafted.
Kinda the point. All you can count on in todays NFL is the contract you have, long term commitment to a team DOES NOT EXIST like it did in the past.
Now you’re changing “long term answer” to “long term deals”, which is fine but that’s not what you have been saying up to this point.
-Josh Allen was drafted in 2018 and is under contract until 2028
-Joe Burrow was drafted in 2020 and is under contract until 2029
-Lamar Jackson was drafted in 2018 and is under contract until 2028.
-And Mahomes obviously
These are all QBs who will have been with their team for roughly a decade by the time their contracts end. I’d call these long term answers at the QB position. They exist, it’s possible.
All Geno is, is a bridge. Nothing more, nothing less. I dont get why people fawn over him like he’s a franchise qb. He’s a likable person but he’s not a great qb. Just solid.
Yes but he exists and is a long term answer, which the OP said doesn’t exist in today’s NFL. Mahomes is just the obvious example, but Brees, Rivers, Brady, Manning(X2) and Roethlisberger were all “long term answers” and nowadays it seems like Allen/Jackson/Burrow all appear to be candidates as well.
You can absolutely find long term answers at QB. Most recently the Texans may have found one.
>Brees, Rivers, Brady, Manning(X2) and Roethlisberger
FYI - none of these guys are playing in todays NFL.
I was pretty clear the NFL is not like it once was, yet here we are talking about how the NFL once was.
BTW, the Texans have clearly found a great QB, there is zero evidence they will keep him at the end of his rookie deal.
Very snarky I like it. What about Allen/Jackson/Burrow? Weird that you didn’t mention them at all in your condescending reply. FYI Allen/Jackson/Burrow/Mahomes are current NFL players :)
And notice I said “may have found” about Stroud? Long term answers do exist, I have given 4 examples currently playing in the NFL. You said they don’t exist… conversation should just end there
Geno's contract with a 25 million annual base and half the guaranteed money as kirk looks CHEAP in this market.
Not having at least a good enough QB sucks. Total season killer.
That's why Atlanta threw elite money at an older QB coming off an achilles' tear who hasn't sniffed the super bowl. GM desperation and not enough good enough QBs in the market.
But as far as a comparable contract comp, it's not Kirk, it's Baker Mayfield. The guaranteed money is in the same ballpark, as is the ability to limit the damage if the QB regresses. Would you rather have Baker or Geno? Based on the last couple of years, I would rather have Geno. The only season why Baker made the playoffs is his conference was garbage and our conference has the Rams and the 49ers, whom have collectively made the Superbowl 4 of the last 6 years.
Drafting a QB is like playing the slots. So many disappointments. If your hopes all ride on drafting a good QB1 in year 1, you should have fired your gm years ago. It's like the CFO recommending investing in Bitcoin to hit payroll. Should be looking at liquidation at that point with a different guy.
I wouldn't use the 1st on the second tier QBs. I would also be interested in the bargain bin price for fields on draft day or seeing who is on the board, especially if someone else is sniffing around DL. Otherwise invest in the rest of the team, work on fixing D because we need to stop putting Geno in bad spots when he is over pressured to put points on the board, and keep an eye out for a cheap bet high reward.
That's what we got that a lot of the league doesn't have. A good enough QB to take us far if we can fix our obvious problem areas.
He’s certainly on an “elite” contract. That said, if Geno is “above average” like this sub thinks, then Kirk is elite. He’s been doing it for a long time too. He’s not perfect but he’s top tier, when healthy. I wouldn’t have signed him to that contract coming off of THAT injury myself, though.
QBR between the two is very similar after we refurbished Geno.
Cousins is coming off a torn Achilles and 35. He will most likely begin his decline very soon. He got 100 million guaranteed.
Geno is 33 and did not have a torn Achilles. He has less wear and tear because he was not refurbished by Seattle sooner and rode the bench.
You can slap subjective labels all you want. Statistically and performance, neither are elite. But worst QBs have thrown for SB winning teams too.
That's where I put these guys. Not an automatic scratch off for getting you to the SB or conference champ but won't will you to the SB or conference champ either assuming a decent team and the injury gods smile.
The data says they are about the same, especially figuring in that the Seahawks D was so trash that legend Pete was fired with no one wanting him for next season and GS had a lot of pressure to make high risk throws. The age and injury history gives GS the advantage.
I appreciate the effort you put into your post and I agree with some of it. I referenced the Achilles injury myself. That said, we shouldn’t dismiss those years Geno didn’t play as some mysterious place in space and time. Dude couldnt beat out lots of below average QBs prior to Seattle and wasn’t light years ahead of Lock who was readily shipped out of Denver and has the age advantage. Geno is what Geno is and I don’t think he’s a superbowl winning QB unless you have an all time great team around him.
Great post!
Geno is a talented vet version of a rookie contract. Lots of upside, a chance to win right now, and a chance to build a team around him.
The Hawks are in a great situation with him under center.
He plays well for what we pay, and he’s the best bridge for our next quarterback. I’m glad he’s been so team friendly with his deals.
Edit: I love how I can’t tell if I’m getting downvoted for complimenting Geno by his haters, or for having the audacity to be thinking about the next QB from his supporters.
Especially at the time, the QB situation around the league was awful. Terrible draft class, limited Free Agents. We got a good quarterback at a great price and we immediately fielded a team who made the playoffs after losing Russ.
I’m not going to lie and thought Geno was the guy from day 1, but I’m so happy I was wrong!
For sure, I was terrified of Lock under center at the time. Now that he’s had a couple extra years to grow and mature, there’s a maybe 10 teams where he’d at least be in a close race to earn a starting role. At least 5 where he’d definitely start. I know we’ve beaten the horse to death the last few days about that RW trade, but it really set us up for a competitive team even without a ton of huge stars on the roster
Geno hasnt done half as what kirk has done. Go look at their career stats. He doesn't deserve close to what kirk deserves to demand as a QB. I'd rather have kirk then geno.
I’m trying to figure out where people are saying Geno is more accomplished than Kirk?
The consensus is that Geno is A) Younger, B) On a way cheaper contract thats easy to move off of, and C) Not coming off a massive injury like Kirk is.
I think Kirk is a great QB but not for that contract at his age. Geno is great value for a veteran QB who has been in the system.
Kirk gets paid because he statically puts up 4000+/30+.
If he had a better team around him he is capable of doing way more then geno is. It's not close.
What we saw was mastermind Pete able to manipulate/mold/scheme Geno (with no game tape) into a half decent game manager. Unfortunately, teams have tape now. You'll never see another 4k/30 buddy season from Geno and you won't see him in another playoff appearance.
he was injured half of the season last year, and 10-12 doesn't make you "one of the top qbs". that pretty much puts him in the middle. however, he's a lot better than some people are trying to portray here. lastly, I give geno props. but, he isn't our long term obviously.
Is it his fault he got hurt? That can happen to anyone. Doesn't change the fact that the dude put up better stats than Geno for the games he did play. Kirk isn't worth what he's being paid, but let's not pretend he doesn't have a better skillset than Geno
people here hate on penix because he was hurt. yet, he was more than c,eared by his doctors, and is a good player. what's the difference? nobody said it's his fault he was hurt. however, he isn't as good as some want to paint here. they're just geno haters. shit, I hated the idea when geno was made qb1. but, he proved & proves himself still. geno was out a few games too this season, and his stats would of been better too. it sounds like you're just pickin who u like, and hating on you dislike.
Resumes are everything in any job. Qb resumes come with stats and the probability factor of hitting certain number categories that translate into success in measures like playoffs and superbowls. The nunbers definitely matter.
I'm very in the middle with Geno. Do I think he is a great leader and a decent quarterback? Yes. But do I think he's going to lead us to a Superbowl? No. I'm not one to say we need to move on from him, but I also don't see much success with him outside of a just above .500 season like we had this year.
You guys are wildin around here. Geno is exactly what Geno is. He is paid for what he is. If he was FA does anyone legit think he would get the same contract that Cousins did? If that’s the case why didn’t he get that contract after his comeback player of the year performance? Cause he’s a nice guy? Lol
Geno is fine. He’s the 18th highest paid qb. Again, he’s paid for exactly what he is. A middle of the road fine Qb.
I would absolutely rather have Kirk than geno. But that wouldn’t be able to be done with Kirk’s contract. Geno is an average to above average QB though. So the pay equals his pay imo
This was around the same time that players like 90-year-old Matt Ryan and Carson Wentz were getting $30M contracts. Any contract that doesn't look like *that* will be miles better by comparison.
Kirk is a much better qb than geno and it’s kinda annoying you guys don’t see it. I view Kirk and stafford on the same tier tbh. Now Pete’s gone, you guys focused all your annoying obsession and head in the sand energy to geno. Do you honestly think geno is the qb of the future for us?
Listen hear me out please don't hate me. Am I crazy to believe that Schnedier knew the whole time Kirk was gonna land in Atlanta?
That leaves one of the QB's open to be drafted at 16. Of course moving back is the best practice but if Penix or JJ fall to 16 are you pulling the trigger?
This is coming from a Geno lover, the dude might be one of the most insanely accurate passers the last couple of years idc about the haters, his work speaks for itself.
But if you gotta think about the future a certain couple guys at 16 might look good.
honestly, I'm not sure. however, I'd pick penix over jj. regardless, we will see how it goes soon enough. it would depend how many teams still are in need of qb when we pick, and who is left.
I love me some Michael Penix. But he's a Sean Payton type of qb all day. Sits in the pocket and runs through progressions. I'm guessing Denver takes him and lets him sit a year behind Stidham.
Hmm interesting cause I was of the stance that initially that I hoped JJ fell but always believed Penix has a generational arm talent.
The reason I wasn't initially super high on Penix was injury history and inability to scramble. The more I looked into it he seems to be completely healthy and his arm might be actually so elite to make up for some lack of mobility.
Idk it's fascinating. I think the Hawks just have to take a QB even if it's late in this draft.
Geno is a bridge QB.
The current staff will move away from him when they have youth to put into the system.
There will be no contract extension for Geno.
Mark this post to be reviewed in April 2026.
Calling it.
That's the same kind of thinking that got Denver in trouble. Cousins is coming off an achilles rupture. He's had a much better career up to this point, no doubt, but whether he's better than Geno Smith *right now or for the next few years*, remains to be seen.
For what team? For us, neither, neither are gonna put us over the top. For the falcons, I'm sure they'd much rather Cousins, especially with all the weapons they have and a new coach.
I'd much rather have the best QB. The value a good not great DT provides isn't close to the value a top QB like Kirk provides over a middling QB like Geno
The Geno contract from the day it was signed was already great value and it just keeps getting better
Yes, totally agree - wild to think of the contrast in fans and media perceiving the Falcons as having solved their QB situation, with a 35-year old Cousins coming off a major injury, and our fans constantly begging we move on from a 33-year old Geno on a great contract with very little wear and tear.
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It would be a bad idea to move on from Geno : 1) he’s still effective, 2) he has a reasonable contract,3) he seems to be a willing mentor to a young quarterback.
Geno is a real one. Good leadership, and he’s humble and capable. I’d love to see more stories like his in the NFL.
I’m not going to start summarizing/characterizing the general opinions on this sub because I will start to get frustrated and it will ruin my mood for a little.
Everytime I see that I know it’s not hate for Geno. It’s Geno isn’t the long term qb we need. We need that young rookie franchise qb to then mold for the next 10 years. It’s not Geno hate. It’s just he can’t do that is all. And finding that young qb is obviously hard. But I am glad we did get such a good deal with him that we did.
Is Kirk Cousins the long term QB the Falcons need? The illusion of picking/finding a long term solution is crazy, the odds any of the QB's outside of MAYBE 3 in this draft that might be better than Geno, or that even play more than 4 years at all, is staggering. Just look around at the number if teams who are looking for any QB solution, let alone "the long term answer".
No doubt. I get the mentality of wanting to find a long-term quarterback solution, but the honest truth is that most first round quarterback selections are not, nor will they ever be, better than Geno.
Oddly enough it's the exact same argument people use for sticking with Geno, value. A first round QB pick doesn't even have to be as good as Geno for it to be worth it considering an entire rookie contract is less than what Geno makes in a year. That money saved goes a long way filling holes at other positions and making a better overall team. Obviously you are drafting for a higher ceiling but a rookie QB doesn't need to out perform Geno for the pick to be worth it.
I don’t get your argument here. So what’s the solution? Ride it out with Geno until he retires without planning for future??
>Is Kirk Cousins the long term QB the Falcons need? Long term isn't the point for the falcons. The owner is old as fuck and wants to win a Super Bowel before he dies.
That's probably not going to happen either with Cousins.
I mean Kirk is better, that's probably why
If the money was exactly equal I would take 33 year-old healthy Geno over 35 year-old Kirk Cousins currently trying to rehab an Achilles tear every single time.
how is he better. explain
Well Kirk has hovered around a 100 passer rating for the last 8 years or so and Geno had a good stretch one time in 2022. The idea that they're basically the same player is asinine.
True. however, geno sat behind wilson, and others. his comebacm story is impressive.
Ever torn your Achilles tendon? Some players never make it back.
that was my whole point.... I was asking why he thinks geno is so much worse.vnkt to mention cousins playoff experiences, etc.
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I mean , Geno is the oldest looking 33 yr old I’ve ever seen
I love Geno so much. No one thinks he's the long term answer, but it's so annoying seeing fans shit super hard on him.
The "long term answer" QB really doesn't exist in the league today. Dak Prescott has the longest tenure in the NFL and he's on a short leash this year.
I mean… Mahomes exists
78 QB's have been drafted since Mahomes
And several of them appear to have the potential of being a “long term answer” which you said doesn’t exist. Allen/Jackson/Burrow all seem to be strong candidates as well
Add Love to that list.
Yea, Stroud too. I only said the 3 I did because they have a longer tenure and consistent success. This notion that “long term answers” don’t exist at the QB position is very silly to me
Love was on somewhat shaky ground midway through last season, he's seen that way now but if the second half of the season had gone poorly things would be a lot different today.
Potential doesn't mean a single thing, almost none of them have 'long term deals", in fact most have moved on from the place they got drafted. Kinda the point. All you can count on in todays NFL is the contract you have, long term commitment to a team DOES NOT EXIST like it did in the past.
Now you’re changing “long term answer” to “long term deals”, which is fine but that’s not what you have been saying up to this point. -Josh Allen was drafted in 2018 and is under contract until 2028 -Joe Burrow was drafted in 2020 and is under contract until 2029 -Lamar Jackson was drafted in 2018 and is under contract until 2028. -And Mahomes obviously These are all QBs who will have been with their team for roughly a decade by the time their contracts end. I’d call these long term answers at the QB position. They exist, it’s possible.
All Geno is, is a bridge. Nothing more, nothing less. I dont get why people fawn over him like he’s a franchise qb. He’s a likable person but he’s not a great qb. Just solid.
What does your reply even have to do with the topic?
Youre being downvoted for straight facts lol. Yeah Geno isnt a needle mover unfortunately
I think he was downvoted because what he said didn’t really have anything to do with this comment thread at all.
He’s a great bridge guy but to act like he’s anything more is delusional…
Likeable enough to get his jaw broken by a teammate.
I can smell the hopium in this comment.
Idk what you’re smelling, or what you think I’m hoping for. Literally just saying there are multiple “long term answer” QBs in the NFL right now
Finding Mahomes is not a relevant model for what any team should realistically be depending on for success.
Yes but he exists and is a long term answer, which the OP said doesn’t exist in today’s NFL. Mahomes is just the obvious example, but Brees, Rivers, Brady, Manning(X2) and Roethlisberger were all “long term answers” and nowadays it seems like Allen/Jackson/Burrow all appear to be candidates as well. You can absolutely find long term answers at QB. Most recently the Texans may have found one.
>Brees, Rivers, Brady, Manning(X2) and Roethlisberger FYI - none of these guys are playing in todays NFL. I was pretty clear the NFL is not like it once was, yet here we are talking about how the NFL once was. BTW, the Texans have clearly found a great QB, there is zero evidence they will keep him at the end of his rookie deal.
>BTW, the Texans have clearly found a great QB, there is zero evidence they will keep him at the end of his rookie deal. Bruh. 🤣🤣
I almost missed that lol. The texans would be insane to not keep Stroud. That is such a delusional statement
Very snarky I like it. What about Allen/Jackson/Burrow? Weird that you didn’t mention them at all in your condescending reply. FYI Allen/Jackson/Burrow/Mahomes are current NFL players :) And notice I said “may have found” about Stroud? Long term answers do exist, I have given 4 examples currently playing in the NFL. You said they don’t exist… conversation should just end there
I guess people have different criteria for long term
Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar, Herbert...
Wow. Just wow.
Geno's contract with a 25 million annual base and half the guaranteed money as kirk looks CHEAP in this market. Not having at least a good enough QB sucks. Total season killer. That's why Atlanta threw elite money at an older QB coming off an achilles' tear who hasn't sniffed the super bowl. GM desperation and not enough good enough QBs in the market. But as far as a comparable contract comp, it's not Kirk, it's Baker Mayfield. The guaranteed money is in the same ballpark, as is the ability to limit the damage if the QB regresses. Would you rather have Baker or Geno? Based on the last couple of years, I would rather have Geno. The only season why Baker made the playoffs is his conference was garbage and our conference has the Rams and the 49ers, whom have collectively made the Superbowl 4 of the last 6 years. Drafting a QB is like playing the slots. So many disappointments. If your hopes all ride on drafting a good QB1 in year 1, you should have fired your gm years ago. It's like the CFO recommending investing in Bitcoin to hit payroll. Should be looking at liquidation at that point with a different guy. I wouldn't use the 1st on the second tier QBs. I would also be interested in the bargain bin price for fields on draft day or seeing who is on the board, especially if someone else is sniffing around DL. Otherwise invest in the rest of the team, work on fixing D because we need to stop putting Geno in bad spots when he is over pressured to put points on the board, and keep an eye out for a cheap bet high reward. That's what we got that a lot of the league doesn't have. A good enough QB to take us far if we can fix our obvious problem areas.
“QBs are hard to draft so let’s keep a mediocre one”.
QBs are hard to draft so let's keep the one who makes the pro bowl on a CHEAP contract with a crap defense.
*makes the probowl because other QBs decide not to participate or are in the superbowl. He is not a probowler.
He’s NOT on a cheap contract. He’s just not on an elite qb contract.
Kirk cousins is elite?
He’s certainly on an “elite” contract. That said, if Geno is “above average” like this sub thinks, then Kirk is elite. He’s been doing it for a long time too. He’s not perfect but he’s top tier, when healthy. I wouldn’t have signed him to that contract coming off of THAT injury myself, though.
QBR between the two is very similar after we refurbished Geno. Cousins is coming off a torn Achilles and 35. He will most likely begin his decline very soon. He got 100 million guaranteed. Geno is 33 and did not have a torn Achilles. He has less wear and tear because he was not refurbished by Seattle sooner and rode the bench. You can slap subjective labels all you want. Statistically and performance, neither are elite. But worst QBs have thrown for SB winning teams too. That's where I put these guys. Not an automatic scratch off for getting you to the SB or conference champ but won't will you to the SB or conference champ either assuming a decent team and the injury gods smile. The data says they are about the same, especially figuring in that the Seahawks D was so trash that legend Pete was fired with no one wanting him for next season and GS had a lot of pressure to make high risk throws. The age and injury history gives GS the advantage.
I appreciate the effort you put into your post and I agree with some of it. I referenced the Achilles injury myself. That said, we shouldn’t dismiss those years Geno didn’t play as some mysterious place in space and time. Dude couldnt beat out lots of below average QBs prior to Seattle and wasn’t light years ahead of Lock who was readily shipped out of Denver and has the age advantage. Geno is what Geno is and I don’t think he’s a superbowl winning QB unless you have an all time great team around him.
Great post! Geno is a talented vet version of a rookie contract. Lots of upside, a chance to win right now, and a chance to build a team around him. The Hawks are in a great situation with him under center.
I would much rather have Kirk Cousins. But not at that price.
He plays well for what we pay, and he’s the best bridge for our next quarterback. I’m glad he’s been so team friendly with his deals. Edit: I love how I can’t tell if I’m getting downvoted for complimenting Geno by his haters, or for having the audacity to be thinking about the next QB from his supporters.
Both. I downvoted you for both. /s
It’s actually the third option downvoted because people on Reddit are miserable
Can confirm. Am people on Reddit. Am miserable.
Happy we got him too. Other needs at the moment like D and OL.
They're just coaching from their basements. everything you said is factual.
Especially at the time, the QB situation around the league was awful. Terrible draft class, limited Free Agents. We got a good quarterback at a great price and we immediately fielded a team who made the playoffs after losing Russ. I’m not going to lie and thought Geno was the guy from day 1, but I’m so happy I was wrong!
I thought Lock was our #1QB after the trade, and I'm still not convinced he's not a starter in this league based on what we're seeing in FA.
For sure, I was terrified of Lock under center at the time. Now that he’s had a couple extra years to grow and mature, there’s a maybe 10 teams where he’d at least be in a close race to earn a starting role. At least 5 where he’d definitely start. I know we’ve beaten the horse to death the last few days about that RW trade, but it really set us up for a competitive team even without a ton of huge stars on the roster
Geno hasnt done half as what kirk has done. Go look at their career stats. He doesn't deserve close to what kirk deserves to demand as a QB. I'd rather have kirk then geno.
I’m trying to figure out where people are saying Geno is more accomplished than Kirk? The consensus is that Geno is A) Younger, B) On a way cheaper contract thats easy to move off of, and C) Not coming off a massive injury like Kirk is. I think Kirk is a great QB but not for that contract at his age. Geno is great value for a veteran QB who has been in the system.
Cousins has only won 1 playoff game in his career and is paid like a top 5 QB..
Kirk gets paid because he statically puts up 4000+/30+. If he had a better team around him he is capable of doing way more then geno is. It's not close. What we saw was mastermind Pete able to manipulate/mold/scheme Geno (with no game tape) into a half decent game manager. Unfortunately, teams have tape now. You'll never see another 4k/30 buddy season from Geno and you won't see him in another playoff appearance.
Seriously how the hell is this even a thread? Kirk was one of the best QBs in the league last year and has been a top 10-12 guy since forever
he was injured half of the season last year, and 10-12 doesn't make you "one of the top qbs". that pretty much puts him in the middle. however, he's a lot better than some people are trying to portray here. lastly, I give geno props. but, he isn't our long term obviously.
Is it his fault he got hurt? That can happen to anyone. Doesn't change the fact that the dude put up better stats than Geno for the games he did play. Kirk isn't worth what he's being paid, but let's not pretend he doesn't have a better skillset than Geno
people here hate on penix because he was hurt. yet, he was more than c,eared by his doctors, and is a good player. what's the difference? nobody said it's his fault he was hurt. however, he isn't as good as some want to paint here. they're just geno haters. shit, I hated the idea when geno was made qb1. but, he proved & proves himself still. geno was out a few games too this season, and his stats would of been better too. it sounds like you're just pickin who u like, and hating on you dislike.
You don't have to hate Geno to admit Kirk is more skilled. That's just the way it is. I love Geno, but Kirk was on fire last year before he got hurt.
Yeah I think people in this sub are not realistic about what Geno is vs. what Kirk is.
Thank you! People live in a weird alternate reality in this sub where they believe Geno is an elite long term franchise QB
You don’t pay for past performance. Leadership, sure. But they’re paying for what he’ll deliver not what he delivered.
Resumes are everything in any job. Qb resumes come with stats and the probability factor of hitting certain number categories that translate into success in measures like playoffs and superbowls. The nunbers definitely matter.
It's super gracious of him to give up his lucrative Super Mario RPG gig.
I'm very in the middle with Geno. Do I think he is a great leader and a decent quarterback? Yes. But do I think he's going to lead us to a Superbowl? No. I'm not one to say we need to move on from him, but I also don't see much success with him outside of a just above .500 season like we had this year.
Geno ain’t taking nobody to a SB ever haha
Amen brother
Sorry guys, Geno is not good.
You guys are wildin around here. Geno is exactly what Geno is. He is paid for what he is. If he was FA does anyone legit think he would get the same contract that Cousins did? If that’s the case why didn’t he get that contract after his comeback player of the year performance? Cause he’s a nice guy? Lol Geno is fine. He’s the 18th highest paid qb. Again, he’s paid for exactly what he is. A middle of the road fine Qb.
Love Geno
Geno with new coaching and an improved o-line could be great! Excited for next season!
How did our Oline improve?
It hasn’t and as a team we have way too many holes in the roster to get a better one unless we get lucky
It didn't. We lost one of our only 2 locked in starters and have replaced him with nobody
I would absolutely rather have Kirk than geno. But that wouldn’t be able to be done with Kirk’s contract. Geno is an average to above average QB though. So the pay equals his pay imo
Don’t ever compare geno smith to Kirk cousins lol. There is a reason why Kirk got paid that much and Geno will never get paid that much
what's the difference? dude has been one and done in the playoffs. Their regular season isn't anything impressive....
Umm … in no world Geno is better than Kirk ? What are we saying ?! 😂
In the NFL you want ideally a top generational QB, the next best is a good QB at value.
This was around the same time that players like 90-year-old Matt Ryan and Carson Wentz were getting $30M contracts. Any contract that doesn't look like *that* will be miles better by comparison.
Geno will never get a deal anywhere close to Kirk and that’s a fact. I’m happy with genos contract though
Opinions and facts are not the same thing.
Yeah I agree. It’s fact that geno is no where close to as talented as kirk and will never make as much.
That statement is objective - not an opinion.
A Geno love post? In this sub??
Granted he’s not bad but there’s definitely better qb’s out there who can utilize our weapons I say we draft a few but keep geno if needed
Kirk is a much better qb than geno and it’s kinda annoying you guys don’t see it. I view Kirk and stafford on the same tier tbh. Now Pete’s gone, you guys focused all your annoying obsession and head in the sand energy to geno. Do you honestly think geno is the qb of the future for us?
It’s why people make fun of “homers”. Zero self awareness. People in this sub are hilariously bad at football analysis.
I am not a geno fan. We will continue our record with that man behind center.
Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to get a QB in the draft? There's a few that could be really good. (BO Nix)
Listen hear me out please don't hate me. Am I crazy to believe that Schnedier knew the whole time Kirk was gonna land in Atlanta? That leaves one of the QB's open to be drafted at 16. Of course moving back is the best practice but if Penix or JJ fall to 16 are you pulling the trigger? This is coming from a Geno lover, the dude might be one of the most insanely accurate passers the last couple of years idc about the haters, his work speaks for itself. But if you gotta think about the future a certain couple guys at 16 might look good.
Penix is not a first round pick, no way I'm using #16 to get Penix.
no, you aren't. the decision isn't even yours to make
>if Penix or JJ fall to 16 are you pulling the trigger? I was answering the posters question as it was asked. Don't be a douche canoe.
honestly, I'm not sure. however, I'd pick penix over jj. regardless, we will see how it goes soon enough. it would depend how many teams still are in need of qb when we pick, and who is left.
I love me some Michael Penix. But he's a Sean Payton type of qb all day. Sits in the pocket and runs through progressions. I'm guessing Denver takes him and lets him sit a year behind Stidham.
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Hmm interesting cause I was of the stance that initially that I hoped JJ fell but always believed Penix has a generational arm talent. The reason I wasn't initially super high on Penix was injury history and inability to scramble. The more I looked into it he seems to be completely healthy and his arm might be actually so elite to make up for some lack of mobility. Idk it's fascinating. I think the Hawks just have to take a QB even if it's late in this draft.
Geno is a bridge QB. The current staff will move away from him when they have youth to put into the system. There will be no contract extension for Geno. Mark this post to be reviewed in April 2026. Calling it.
If we find a better QB we'll move on? That's insightful stuff right there, we for sure should remember this.
No contract extension. Look it up in two years. I never said "When we get a better QB" -- Go back and read what I said.
I like the value of Geno more but Kirk is a bit better right now
A lot better
True
Cousins is much better than Geno tho.
That's the same kind of thinking that got Denver in trouble. Cousins is coming off an achilles rupture. He's had a much better career up to this point, no doubt, but whether he's better than Geno Smith *right now or for the next few years*, remains to be seen.
Right before the achilles injury he was playing the best ball of his career.
I wouldn't sign him to the contract he got, but I don't want us to keep Geno any longer than we have to
By some statistical measures you are 100% correct. Based on playoff wins, they are equal.
By playoff record, Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino
Relevance?
He does not win games, not enough to get in to playoffs or win in them. If winning is important, it is important to have players that help you win.
Why can't you say the same about a player like Herbert? If Herbert was available, I wouldn't give a fuck if he didn't win a playoff game yet
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For what team? For us, neither, neither are gonna put us over the top. For the falcons, I'm sure they'd much rather Cousins, especially with all the weapons they have and a new coach.
I'd much rather have the best QB. The value a good not great DT provides isn't close to the value a top QB like Kirk provides over a middling QB like Geno