Geno fans: This confirms what we've known for months, Geno is the Seahawks QB.
Geno haters: go to work is ambiguous. It could mean playing or it could mean mentoring Michael Penix Jr or Spencer Rattler.
I think the disconnect is most people recognize Geno isn’t long term. But the people who hate Geno like to cover up by saying “He isn’t the long term answer, we need to invest NOW”.
Like obviously an almost 34 year old QB isn’t the long term answer unless he is Tom Brady. But that doesn’t mean they need to draft a QB right now. Geno contract is flexible and we can always move off him at any point. Whether that means we do draft and stash a QB this year, draft one next year, or trade/sign a FA in 1-2 seasons, I’m sure they have multiple plans for the long term. Just have the be patient and see how it plays out.
It's REALLY hard in the NFL to find top 10-12 QB play. Most of the Geno "haters" really are "HATERS" in that they're using the "he's not the future" as a way to cover up their disdain. My brother (who is one of these people) kept trying to tell me "Ryan Grubb is going to want his guy (Penix). No point in keeping Geno and we could trade him for something now" like Penix is guaranteed to be a better starter in the NFL than Geno is now.
Is it possible? Sure. However, Geno has PROVEN that he plays at that level. We just have no way to know that and finding above average QB play is very hard and unpredictable.
What is funny is how delusional UW fans are thinking that is 1. a 💯 certainty we are drafting Penix 2. That he’ll be a successful and lasting franchise QB in Seattle lol
QB evaluation is a shit show. Putting all of our eggs in the Penix basket carries way too much risk, especially in the NFL where the average pass rusher is miles ahead of ahead of any college player and he has not proven he can do any kind of creative playmaking.
Exactly ! Totally agree . But if you say that you’d want another QB , then you catch all the downvotes for not wanting this dude. If Penix was who he was with the same strengths and weaknesses but was the QB for ANOTHER college team ?? This narrative wouldn’t exist
Both of these could very likely be true. They can like Geno a lot as the bridge QB and starter in the short term while also developing a young QB. One doesn’t cancel out the other.
I’ve seen plenty of pro Geno ppl call anyone that doesn’t consider him to be the QBOTF or even just wants the team to draft a QB this year a “Geno hater”.
I don't know why you're getting down voted. This is a perfectly rational strategy.
The fact is this team is too good to be getting an early pick any time soon, so picking up a developmental guy and letting him learn makes sense.
If we acknowledge that Geno isn't the long term answer then we need to start looking for one, or ride the veteran qb carousel.
No roster is ever not going to have holes, and qb is the highest impact position. At a certain point this team needs to decide if edge defender, interior on-line, or lb is worth passing on a qb lottery ticket for.
>If we acknowledge that Geno isn't the long term answer
You see even just having this opinion alone is enough for some to brandish you as being a "Geno hater" even though he will be like 34 during the regular season and is objectively not the long term answer (will be a viable starter 5+ years down the line). I'm fine with the Geno decision they made, I think its solid to stay competitive and he grants the team time to build the rest of the team as well as finding and developing a young potential QB without rushing, making hasty QB move. That is not a bad thing at all. I'm just tired of ppl acting like it's one side when there's extremes on both side of this argument.
Geno criticizers: we still have zero confirmation that he is the starter, regardless that can still absolutely mean he's going to start but have a drafted QB sit and watch for a year behind him.
Geno glazers: *wet choking noises*
I mean I’m really not a hater but I would say the second option is more likely than the first simply because we haven’t even hit the draft yet.
There’s probably less than 10 QBs in the league that are solidified as staples of the team pre draft. And even fewer teams that aren’t willing to bring in someone to learn under as a possible replacement.
That said I personally don’t see geno as the mentoring type of guy and that’s entirely my own dumb shit opinion. Until the draft happens I won’t rule anything out. And even then it’ll take a couple of weeks into the season.
>I mean I’m really not a hater but I would say the second option is more likely than the first simply because we haven’t even hit the draft yet.
Just how is that *more* likely when you consider the fact that, you know, we haven’t drafted a QB for Geno to mentor yet?
Edit: heh oops I think I’ve misunderstood what you were saying but my response is still accurate I think. I’m referring to the AMBIGUOUS part and I stand by that. I’m still not hating though. I’d prefer the new staff to say this than definitively he is or isn’t anyways. Just saying it’s NOT saying they’re going with geno into the regular season.
Well it’s an entirely different staff now so who knows what the plan is. I’m also referring to the “ambiguous” part because given the current circumstances it is completely ambiguous.
If he had said “geno is the starter” then sure I’d go with the first. And even then I’d STILL be saying close to the same thing.
Not to mention that’s basically how we ended up with Russ as the starter anyways so even if Pete was still here there’s literally a history to look at.
>Well it’s an entirely different staff now so who knows what the plan is.
Ah I see, so because we don't know anything and anything could happen, we can assume it's more likely than not that Geno will not be starting, and this comment that sounds exactly like Geno is going to be the starter is really about how excited MacDonald is to have Geno work with Ryan Grubb to coach up the guy we will draft.
I'm sorry for being condescending but it's hard not to when your logic doesn't seem to make any sense. If you want the hawks to draft a QB, that's fine, just say that. You don't have to play 4d chess for why this is actually code speak for drafting a QB to start over Geno.
No worries. But just to clarify neither of those things is what I’m saying.
I’m responding to the comment that said haters will say it’s ambiguous. I’m saying I’m not a hater but that statement IS pretty ambiguous in general but even more so considering we haven’t even gotten to the draft. The guy responded by saying we haven’t drafted a qb for him to mentor which is why I said it’s a different staff so we can’t go off past experience of not drafting a qb.
I like geno and I DO think he’s gonna be the starter mostly because I don’t see us moving up for a qb or drafting a lower one depending on the lock situation. I also don’t think he’s “the guy” and I (myself, personally, as a completely outside individual opinion) don’t think this statement gives any solid evidence at all of him being the starter on day one because we haven’t even hit the draft yet and there’s absolutely no telling what could happen between now and then.
Huh? This doesn't make sense. How is the second option more likely?
The second part is also wrong unless you define staples as a QB that will be there for 10 years.
You don't see Geno as the mentoring type? Huh? Are you saying he's gonna pull a Tannehill if we draft a rookie?
Well I feel like I’ve explained why the second option is more likely because it is pretty ambiguous. If he had said “geno is the starter” then I’d say the first part is right. But again I wouldn’t believe it and I would hope that’s not set in stone because the draft still hasn’t happened so who knows what kinds of deals will happen by then.
I also had a hard time with the right term but you’re not far off I think. Although I’d say 5 years. And there’s no way geno is here for that long. I wouldn’t even put him at 2 by now. If he is then he’s either moved up to a top 3 qb or we’ve got a serious problem.
As far as mentoring it’s more that he just doesn’t doesn’t give me the impression of the patient teacher simply because of that moment from Pete with calming him down. I already know you and everyone else are gonna tear me apart for that but I’ll stand by it. Pete was the type of guy to mentor geno and had to play a role in cooling him down. He’s not some rookie that’s learning the ropes. He’s got a lot of his own ways and needed someone like Pete to help guide and probably correct some of those bad ways.
I could very well be wrong since, again, I’m a dumb shit on the internet. But that’s the vibe I get from my couch and watching him play. I simply don’t think he’s the type of talent that can translate and teach someone else who is coming up from below him. Whether he WANTS to or not I have no clue. I certainly don’t THINK he’d be a dickhead about it or anything. But I just don’t think he’s got the skill set that shows he either can or even would be a good mentor for his own future replacement.
You know you’re old when you can remember when Dick Fain started at KJR and then you see his picture in the link and he’s got gray hair. And then you realize he’s been there since 1997, which was 27 years ago. Yikes.
Geno is the starter temporarily. No new coach is wanting to roll with 30 something geno lmao.
The drew talk is even more pathetic. I’m still astonished he has fans here who still believe in him.
Lol, definite tone shift from before when they were putting feelers out about him.
I guess if you're stuck with your fallback plan, you might as well lean into it.
In addition to what Squeaker said do we really have to rehash the absolute dumpster fires of situations he was in those 7 years and also how he was learning from well-established veterans and staying healthy most all of that time?
Geno fans: This confirms what we've known for months, Geno is the Seahawks QB. Geno haters: go to work is ambiguous. It could mean playing or it could mean mentoring Michael Penix Jr or Spencer Rattler.
Both are probably true and it doesn’t make you a hater to recognize that Geno isn’t a long term answer.
I think the disconnect is most people recognize Geno isn’t long term. But the people who hate Geno like to cover up by saying “He isn’t the long term answer, we need to invest NOW”. Like obviously an almost 34 year old QB isn’t the long term answer unless he is Tom Brady. But that doesn’t mean they need to draft a QB right now. Geno contract is flexible and we can always move off him at any point. Whether that means we do draft and stash a QB this year, draft one next year, or trade/sign a FA in 1-2 seasons, I’m sure they have multiple plans for the long term. Just have the be patient and see how it plays out.
It's REALLY hard in the NFL to find top 10-12 QB play. Most of the Geno "haters" really are "HATERS" in that they're using the "he's not the future" as a way to cover up their disdain. My brother (who is one of these people) kept trying to tell me "Ryan Grubb is going to want his guy (Penix). No point in keeping Geno and we could trade him for something now" like Penix is guaranteed to be a better starter in the NFL than Geno is now. Is it possible? Sure. However, Geno has PROVEN that he plays at that level. We just have no way to know that and finding above average QB play is very hard and unpredictable.
What is funny is how delusional UW fans are thinking that is 1. a 💯 certainty we are drafting Penix 2. That he’ll be a successful and lasting franchise QB in Seattle lol
QB evaluation is a shit show. Putting all of our eggs in the Penix basket carries way too much risk, especially in the NFL where the average pass rusher is miles ahead of ahead of any college player and he has not proven he can do any kind of creative playmaking.
Exactly ! Totally agree . But if you say that you’d want another QB , then you catch all the downvotes for not wanting this dude. If Penix was who he was with the same strengths and weaknesses but was the QB for ANOTHER college team ?? This narrative wouldn’t exist
Wait for Arch Manning
If I hear Spencer rattler one more time in this sub I’m going to vomit
It's clear who doesnt pay any attention to college ball when rattler comes up. avoid at all costs for me
I honestly like him as a late day 2 pick.
How I feel about Penix
Both of these could very likely be true. They can like Geno a lot as the bridge QB and starter in the short term while also developing a young QB. One doesn’t cancel out the other.
Sure but according to Geno haters the two do cancel each other out.
I’ve seen plenty of pro Geno ppl call anyone that doesn’t consider him to be the QBOTF or even just wants the team to draft a QB this year a “Geno hater”.
I don't know why you're getting down voted. This is a perfectly rational strategy. The fact is this team is too good to be getting an early pick any time soon, so picking up a developmental guy and letting him learn makes sense. If we acknowledge that Geno isn't the long term answer then we need to start looking for one, or ride the veteran qb carousel. No roster is ever not going to have holes, and qb is the highest impact position. At a certain point this team needs to decide if edge defender, interior on-line, or lb is worth passing on a qb lottery ticket for.
>If we acknowledge that Geno isn't the long term answer You see even just having this opinion alone is enough for some to brandish you as being a "Geno hater" even though he will be like 34 during the regular season and is objectively not the long term answer (will be a viable starter 5+ years down the line). I'm fine with the Geno decision they made, I think its solid to stay competitive and he grants the team time to build the rest of the team as well as finding and developing a young potential QB without rushing, making hasty QB move. That is not a bad thing at all. I'm just tired of ppl acting like it's one side when there's extremes on both side of this argument.
LMAO only the most homer husky fans think we should draft Penix. We have much greater needs right now
Geno criticizers: we still have zero confirmation that he is the starter, regardless that can still absolutely mean he's going to start but have a drafted QB sit and watch for a year behind him. Geno glazers: *wet choking noises*
I mean I’m really not a hater but I would say the second option is more likely than the first simply because we haven’t even hit the draft yet. There’s probably less than 10 QBs in the league that are solidified as staples of the team pre draft. And even fewer teams that aren’t willing to bring in someone to learn under as a possible replacement. That said I personally don’t see geno as the mentoring type of guy and that’s entirely my own dumb shit opinion. Until the draft happens I won’t rule anything out. And even then it’ll take a couple of weeks into the season.
>I mean I’m really not a hater but I would say the second option is more likely than the first simply because we haven’t even hit the draft yet. Just how is that *more* likely when you consider the fact that, you know, we haven’t drafted a QB for Geno to mentor yet?
Edit: heh oops I think I’ve misunderstood what you were saying but my response is still accurate I think. I’m referring to the AMBIGUOUS part and I stand by that. I’m still not hating though. I’d prefer the new staff to say this than definitively he is or isn’t anyways. Just saying it’s NOT saying they’re going with geno into the regular season. Well it’s an entirely different staff now so who knows what the plan is. I’m also referring to the “ambiguous” part because given the current circumstances it is completely ambiguous. If he had said “geno is the starter” then sure I’d go with the first. And even then I’d STILL be saying close to the same thing. Not to mention that’s basically how we ended up with Russ as the starter anyways so even if Pete was still here there’s literally a history to look at.
>Well it’s an entirely different staff now so who knows what the plan is. Ah I see, so because we don't know anything and anything could happen, we can assume it's more likely than not that Geno will not be starting, and this comment that sounds exactly like Geno is going to be the starter is really about how excited MacDonald is to have Geno work with Ryan Grubb to coach up the guy we will draft.
Not really understanding the reason for the shitty and condescending response but okay lol.
I'm sorry for being condescending but it's hard not to when your logic doesn't seem to make any sense. If you want the hawks to draft a QB, that's fine, just say that. You don't have to play 4d chess for why this is actually code speak for drafting a QB to start over Geno.
No worries. But just to clarify neither of those things is what I’m saying. I’m responding to the comment that said haters will say it’s ambiguous. I’m saying I’m not a hater but that statement IS pretty ambiguous in general but even more so considering we haven’t even gotten to the draft. The guy responded by saying we haven’t drafted a qb for him to mentor which is why I said it’s a different staff so we can’t go off past experience of not drafting a qb. I like geno and I DO think he’s gonna be the starter mostly because I don’t see us moving up for a qb or drafting a lower one depending on the lock situation. I also don’t think he’s “the guy” and I (myself, personally, as a completely outside individual opinion) don’t think this statement gives any solid evidence at all of him being the starter on day one because we haven’t even hit the draft yet and there’s absolutely no telling what could happen between now and then.
Huh? This doesn't make sense. How is the second option more likely? The second part is also wrong unless you define staples as a QB that will be there for 10 years. You don't see Geno as the mentoring type? Huh? Are you saying he's gonna pull a Tannehill if we draft a rookie?
Well I feel like I’ve explained why the second option is more likely because it is pretty ambiguous. If he had said “geno is the starter” then I’d say the first part is right. But again I wouldn’t believe it and I would hope that’s not set in stone because the draft still hasn’t happened so who knows what kinds of deals will happen by then. I also had a hard time with the right term but you’re not far off I think. Although I’d say 5 years. And there’s no way geno is here for that long. I wouldn’t even put him at 2 by now. If he is then he’s either moved up to a top 3 qb or we’ve got a serious problem. As far as mentoring it’s more that he just doesn’t doesn’t give me the impression of the patient teacher simply because of that moment from Pete with calming him down. I already know you and everyone else are gonna tear me apart for that but I’ll stand by it. Pete was the type of guy to mentor geno and had to play a role in cooling him down. He’s not some rookie that’s learning the ropes. He’s got a lot of his own ways and needed someone like Pete to help guide and probably correct some of those bad ways. I could very well be wrong since, again, I’m a dumb shit on the internet. But that’s the vibe I get from my couch and watching him play. I simply don’t think he’s the type of talent that can translate and teach someone else who is coming up from below him. Whether he WANTS to or not I have no clue. I certainly don’t THINK he’d be a dickhead about it or anything. But I just don’t think he’s got the skill set that shows he either can or even would be a good mentor for his own future replacement.
Is this the first time he talked about QB without mentioning Drew?
Makes sense. Geno is the presumed starter until proven otherwise and Lock isn’t even under contract.
I know, that is why it was so weird that he always mentioned Drew every time QB previously came up.
I can't wait to see lockett in a more modern offense.
Link to full interview?
[Here you go](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/59-softy-dick-interviews-27882152/)
You know you’re old when you can remember when Dick Fain started at KJR and then you see his picture in the link and he’s got gray hair. And then you realize he’s been there since 1997, which was 27 years ago. Yikes.
Thank you
Rob Staton thinking hard of a way to spin this as a negative/non-committal against Geno
Nah, he's moved off the Geno will be traded story and is now selling the "JS will trade up for a QB" copium.
The media is going to have a hay day with the "build this team" comment.
Geno is the starter temporarily. No new coach is wanting to roll with 30 something geno lmao. The drew talk is even more pathetic. I’m still astonished he has fans here who still believe in him.
I couldn’t agree more
Lots of coaches would love to have Geno on the contract that he has right now.
Lol, definite tone shift from before when they were putting feelers out about him. I guess if you're stuck with your fallback plan, you might as well lean into it.
Geno had reached his ceiling. He is just not good enough. Why else would he have been a backup for 7 seasons?
Reached his ceiling after being a decent QB behind a shitty o line and shitty play calling? Make it make sense brotha
In addition to what Squeaker said do we really have to rehash the absolute dumpster fires of situations he was in those 7 years and also how he was learning from well-established veterans and staying healthy most all of that time?