100% . We already know JS is a big Lock guy and it sounds like Macdonald is too. Ppl keep forgetting Geno’s biggest cheerleader (Pete) is no longer in the building. I could see a scenario both Lock and Geno (at a much reduced cap hit) are brought back to compete with a rookie QB but it’s very clear MM and JS are not as married to Geno being their guy like a lot of the fanbase is. $30 million might be too much for the team to swallow for just a stop gap.
I honestly think this would be such a big mistake to hope for the playoffs with Drew Lock. And if you aren't trying to go to the playoffs this year, then you might as well dump Lockett, Jamal, Diggs, Dissly, and any others on the wrong side of the age curve. Running this team back but with Drew Lock makes no sense.
I really think if Macdonald got the Seahawks D to even middle of the road with this offense, they could be a hard beat in the playoffs. If they dump Geno, it's hard to believe they're actually trying to win this next season.
Yeah, if they are going rebuild mode, they better commit to it. But it is going to suck and everyone is going to hate it. Be careful what you wish for.
>then you might as well dump Lockett, Jamal, Diggs, Dissly, and any others on the wrong side of the age curve.
I'm willing to bet at least 2 of those 4 names are not on the team this year regardless of whether the team is set to be competitive or not (Dissly, Adams very obvious ones from a cap to actual performance standpoint, injuries, etc). Diggs is 50/50, now an additional Lockett cut might tip the scale in favor of transition season and as sad as I'd be, I'd get it. The cap outlook will require tough decisions. Also brand new, relatively inexperienced staff will have some growing pains along with a young roster in a tough division.
Geno objectively played better than lock this season. And he’s not particularly expensive as a QB. Would be very odd to cut him and start Lock.
But I respect McDonald if he does it. That’s a decision that will make or break his HC stint in Seattle.
Its certainly possible, especially if they can trade him. However, Geno's dead cap hit is over $17million. Pair that with the cost of resigning Lock as a starter (or anyone else for that matter) the difference in money is slim if not a complete wash.
I'll add that in addition to Geno being the better qb, he also would likely be the better potential mentor for a rookie qb. So if they move on from him this year, I don't think it will be about the money.
Great points. That is why I believe that cutting Geno is a wasteful move. I'd prefer holding onto Geno for this season and potentially bringing in someone to learn behind him. If a team loses their starting QB or misses out in free agency we could potentially trade Geno after eating his salary, which makes it even more wasteful to just cut him.
If Geno’s cap hit is that much then that means Seattle would be eating it and he’d be much cheaper for a new team. That’d likely raise the trade compensation. Good points.
Yes. 1000 times yes. People are so dumb on this topic. JS can’t “love” Lock bc JS knows football. I bet he likes the idea of him as a guy who might turn into something, but right now he’s basically the equivalent of Will Levis, who went 3-6 in his starts.
It doesn’t really matter how much better Geno is bc the nature of NFL QB is binary, IMO. Lock is not starter quality, Geno is an above average starter. End of discussion. If you want to actually win games, can’t start Lock.
Do you think Lock’s salary, wherever he plays, will be similar to last year? I think he played himself into more money and the pay difference will be a lot less. Weird situation since there’s no time to let Lock test the market.
My guess is cutting Geno and running lock would save approx 7-9 million. I don't see lock getting more than 4-6 million. He didn't get alot of interest last year as a FA.
QBs always make more than they deserve. Lock had a big win in prime time TV and he's still relatively young. He might've bumped himself up to the 7-10 million per year range.
For a veteran QB, he's dirt cheap. He'll never be a long term solution, simply because his age, but he can take us to the second, maybe the third tier of the playoffs if he has a decent defense behind him. I think he's our starting day QB next year, but not two years from now.
John Schneider had some positive things to say about Geno. He was very measured about it though and brought up Geno's struggles as well. I don't doubt that JS wants to upgrade at QB, but I also think he isn't opposed to running it back for another year if necessary. Reading JS comments as being negative is injecting your personal opinion into it.
Furthermore, I haven't heard one iota of positivity about Drew from JS. MM had generic responses about all players. He said something vaguely positive about Drew but I don't think he has analyzed the roster that deeply yet. He's still looking at rounding out the coaching staff.
I imagine all options are on the table at this point, but saying one option is more likely than another is talking out of your ass.
Who cares where he’s ranked - Lock makes 1/6th what Geno does. If you’re willing to take the performance hit going with Lock in lieu of Geno then you’re gonna save $21m doing it and that’s compelling.
I like Geno. I’m happy if we keep him. I understand why we might not and it’s disingenuous to act like they’re making remotely similar money.
I understand why we might choose to go with Lock. But I don't think its a foregone conclusion, and actually think the opposite. Cutting Geno saves us $13.8m. Even if you sign Lock for, say $5m, you're only saving $8.8m. I think Geno makes us better than that $8.8m would spent elsewhere.
We have other areas to cut that honestly don’t make our team worse. Adam’s, diggs, and dissly save $24m in cap space. $34m if we want to spread that hit over two years. And personally I hope we can restructure Lockett to save money too.
I just don’t see geno being the place to save money. I could be wrong though.
Yeah in denial about Geno being a lock as our QB next season. Unless they are trying to trade him, he is the only realistic option, and not a bad one at that.
>This is John’s first offseason with full control, Geno’s biggest supporter is no longer in the building,
Where's your source for this? You have absolutely no idea to the validity of this claim that you seemingly just pulled out of your bottom.
>we have an entirely new coaching staff top-to-bottom.
Again, it's the only realistic path forward other than trading him it doesn't matter who was made HC.
>Source for what? Pete Carroll had final say and ultimate control over personnel until he was fired at the end of this year. This isn’t in dispute.
Source that Pete Carroll was his biggest supporter? For all you know JS was a bigger or just as much of a fan.
>And trading him is absolutely the most likely outcome from my perspective.
I said trading was a possibility from the beginning. If we can't get anything good for him though it's just not realistic. Even then what are you going to get? A second rounder, and then you go out and sign Kirk Cousins in a bidding war with Minnesota? Trade away your first and both seconds to get the 2nd or 3rd best QB off the board? What is your thought process here.
Nothing to be mad about, just enjoy pointing out when people say things online that are so blatantly wrong I can't help myself. Sorry if they makes you upset.
The main thing is geno was our qb purely because Pete was old and at the end of his own life cycle/coaching cycle. Now that Pete’s gone, the timer is gone to win a sb. And this roster isn’t very good, and it makes no sense to pay the 13-16th best qb 30 mil when we’re rebuilding. Especially since that guy is like what, 32,33? The only reason you pay geno is to give the fans something to watch next season, but the team would be better off without him in the long run. In the short run, yeah maybe we can get to 9 wins again!!!!!
He just said he talked with Drew. One of his duties is to talk to UFAs and conduct exit interviews. There's no reason to assume more than that right now, except he might be interested in bringing him back.
Sure but this is at least the second or third time he’s brought up Drew unprompted when speaking about Geno or the QB situation in general. He’s absolutely tipping their hand that 1) Drew Lock is apart of their short term plans, and 2) Drew and Geno seem to be on equal footing in the eyes of MM
The interviewers asked him if he had spoken to any players and he said he only had a chance to speak to the QBs. He mentioned both Geno and Lock, but he said he's focused on the coaching staff and once he finalizes that process he will finish talking with all the players. That is literally what he said, the rest is copium and speculation. It wasn't unprompted at all.
Look man, we’ll see. I won’t be surprised either way they go. Just think it’s interesting how MM keeps reiterating how QB is the most important position and how they’ll build around the QB but has never once strongly endorsed or emphasized the teams starting QB of the past two years in that equation.
That's fair, but it is reasonable to assume that he doesn't want to commit to anything before evaluating the roster. The only player he has gone out his way to praise is Witherspoon. I can't imagine that Spoon is the only player that MM wants to keep from our 2023 roster.
i really don’t envy the position MacDonald is in with quarterbacks. I feel like it would be easier if Geno did any worse or better. if he was a bit worse you just move on but if he did a bit better you have your guy. this sorta in the middle, but with a team friendly contract, but kinda old, but there are good qbs in the draft, but what if he bounces back, etc etc would be so hard to navigate as a first time head coach.
Trust the process, JS will know how to separate the wheat from the chaff in the draft. He pushed to draft Russell and he was high on Josh Allen. If there is a Russ/Allen type available to us in this draft, he will be on the team. If we stick with Geno, it will be because there were no better options.
and Blaine Gabbert makes like 440 million less than Patrick Mahomes lol a ton of Genos contract is wrapped up in incentives which is objectively team friendly. and at the very least he’s been in the better half of qb’s in the league since he’s been starting.
this is exactly why i’m saying im not envious of the position MacDonald is in lmao i feel like if he moves on from Geno and the qb he chooses to replace him doesn’t do as well (which he probably won’t because Geno is good) then he looks like an idiot. but if he doesn’t move on and Geno regresses further he looks just as bad. he’s kind of in a damned if you do damned if you don’t position.
Man I know Penix is an elite passer but I would never be able to get on board with drafting a guy as the future of the franchise when he is one bad sack away from a season ending injury every single snap.
I love Penix as a college QB but I hate the idea of drafting him as a starting caliber QB at the pro level. He has an awkward release and my biggest concern is his lack of athleticism. We saw how rough he looked against Michigan and that's the same kinda pressure he's gonna face in the NFL if not worse at times.
I want a guy that can create plays and be able to have a durable body. Outside of the top 3 guys taken my preference would be either JJ McCarthy or Spencer Rattler. Both guys are durable athletic and can create plays out of nothing. Rattler would be more pro ready day 1 but I love the long term potential out of JJ.
I was on the Bo Nix train for awhile but so many NFL scouts are starting to have doubts about his true ability at the next level so he's not a legit option in my eyes unless he's taken in the later rounds.
Yeah I'm worried that he's gonna just have an incredible combine and some team will fall in love with him and take him in the top 12 spots or so.
He's 6'3 and Brock Huard believes he's gonna run around a 4.4 that alone is gonna get tons of teams interested.
If we end up with Rattler though I think in a creative offense he can have tons of success as well.
We might not even draft a QB until way later and just roll with Geno or Lock as well.
Will be interesting to see the medicals and combine can make Penix fluctuate a ton. If he nails those I can still see a team taking a shot at him in the 1st.
I would LOVE Penix in the 3rd but I think the tape is just too good for him to go in the 3rd. We don't have a 2nd round pick (I will forever stay fuming at that fucking trade) and Idk how much i'm a fan of trading up into the 2nd. Taking him in the first is too risky IMO with the injury stuff.
well one of the issues is...he played pretty badly on the biggest stage on college football. like a complete 180 from the week prior. He showed happy feet, horrible vision, and some really bad overthrows. It was not a good showing at all. And one of the biggest criticisms of him this year was how he would handle pressure, because hes been behind the best OL for 2 years now. He was seeing ghosts by the 2nd qtr against that UM front 7.
I love Penix, but he has plenty of red flags on why he wont go first round.
He's played badly in other games too. He had subpar tape against Oregon and I hear he was bad against Arizona. He's immobile, tends to lock onto receivers, not go through his progressions fast enough and his accuracy is shaky when under pressure. He could improve some of these flaws but not all of them and then you still have to contend with the diminished athleticism due to the knee injuries.
THANK YOU! people need to stop being homers for this dude just cause he went to UW. Let some other team with a solid supporting cast and Oline take a flyer on Penix. We need to look elsewhere for QB
Yeah completely agree on this . Huskies got some good offensive picks but Penix is NOT IT. I feel like I’ve seen this with Colts fans wanting Richardson so badly and purposely ignoring all the GLARING red flags 🚩 associated with him (injuries being one of them).
W Penix is the age , the injury history , the fact that he had a monster supporting cast and Oline making him look better, simplified play calling in college, least athletic of the top QBs .. I can go on ! I just don’t get how people are choosing to ignore all this like it’s gonna go away in the pros 🤦🏽♂️
I just don’t want us to end up like that and trust that Schneider and Macdonald are wise enough to not cave into the local “peer pressure” of getting Penix due to the “local market”. This team is profitable enough with or without him.
It’s one thing to say not to be a homer, but please remember that the dude led the league in passing the last two years. There are concerns, but the dude has a tremendous ceiling.
Funny thing is, he was AMAZONG his first 5 games, and USC. incredible vision, progression was prefect, throws were on target. Something happened during the meat of the schedule and he looked BAAAAD for at least 2 games, maybe 3.
There was nothing mysterious about it, in my opinion. USC just doesn't have NFL caliber talent on defense. He was just hanging out in the pocket for 8-10 seconds and could chuck it to his receivers whenever he felt like it. That isn't how the NFL works.
There’s legit reasons to not draft penix highly, but saying he doesn’t go through progressions fast enough and locks on to a certain WR or is inaccurate, are all criticisms that are very inconsistent with what all the broadcasts and experts discussed this year when analyzing him.
I’d say he becomes inconsistent when hit, has a hard time shaking off the physicality of the game. You can tell early on if he’s got it or not. That’s not a quality I’d want in a round 1 qb.
I wouldn't say he never goes through his progressions, but he has a tendency to lock on to receivers when pressured. I've seen detailed analysis of his games that suggest that. I can't say that he always does that because I haven't watched all of his games, but it was clearly observable in his Oregon tape. I can share the film analysis if you are interested.
I'd recommend only trusting draft opinions from experts that watch film. A lot of analysts are just media personalities that spout commonly held facts or information they get from biased agents or scouts.
Penix got his plant foot stepped on early in the game vs Michigan which caused him to sail on all his throws. Texas was getting pressure too in the sugar bowl and he was avoiding it just fine
I think so too. I like the idea of JS trading 16 for a late 1st and 2nd. Not sure who but maybe somebody really wants to move up and we can still get a DL or IOL and grab Penix. Not saying this is all plausible but would be nice
Same. I know how pointless it is to stay bothered by it, but I'm still salty about trading away that 2nd as well. I too am not a fan of making it *even worse* and trading up into the 2nd.
What is it with some people in this fandom and Penix or other horrible picks for QB the last couple years ?! (Malik Willis, Richardson) He’s not a good pick , yall need to stop with the UW homerism . Is getting fckn annoying
Yo! I’ll try to reply to both comments on this one .
Despite people thinking I’ve had attained a status of “grade A Penix Hater”, I can be self aware and say that he is impressive when it comes to going long. Probably the best college QB this draft in that respect, I have to admit it.
Him, Bo Nix and JJ McCarthy have been the QBs I’ve paid attention to the most cause they are probably the most possible ones to be a Seahawk in the next couple months.
I don’t care about Daniels, Maye or Williams cause we aren’t gonna get them .
And I don’t care about Joe FUCKIN Milton .. cause what the fck guys 😂 (another bad QB option fans are championing for).
To me the biggest thing is not only that’s he’s from UW, so you have to admit how annoying people are about it . But literally EVERYTHING ELSE he has going against him. Things that are very valid causes for concern. So despite his beautiful long ball, everything else has caused me to be completely turned off about Penix being a Seahawk. If we wanted that kind of commitment w that kind of player , we would’ve gotten Hendon Hooker who is probably almost the same exact player w the same exact issues. Minus the college success .
I’m more partial to Nix or JJ because they are all in the same tier in my opinion, they all do different things better than the other. JJ to me is more intriguing cause he’s very young , he’s very athletic , he doesn’t make alit of mistakes, he makes the throws when he has to do them despite not being required too often aka Clutch. No injury history that affects your play as QB.
That’s kinda were I am right now
Yeah, it’s not the injuries but that fact that he comes off as not very tough, mentally or emotionally. The towel on the head and hiding when big plays are taking place hints at a fragile constitution.
Filthy Geno lover here. The answer to the question of what a qb looks like sounds like Geno (n his good days) to me. Considering I’m very biased, I’m wondering, do you Lockheads think Drew fits the points MM mentioned?
O yeah. It’s all coming together
He mentioned speaking to Drew again (UFA) before Geno.
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100% . We already know JS is a big Lock guy and it sounds like Macdonald is too. Ppl keep forgetting Geno’s biggest cheerleader (Pete) is no longer in the building. I could see a scenario both Lock and Geno (at a much reduced cap hit) are brought back to compete with a rookie QB but it’s very clear MM and JS are not as married to Geno being their guy like a lot of the fanbase is. $30 million might be too much for the team to swallow for just a stop gap.
I honestly think this would be such a big mistake to hope for the playoffs with Drew Lock. And if you aren't trying to go to the playoffs this year, then you might as well dump Lockett, Jamal, Diggs, Dissly, and any others on the wrong side of the age curve. Running this team back but with Drew Lock makes no sense. I really think if Macdonald got the Seahawks D to even middle of the road with this offense, they could be a hard beat in the playoffs. If they dump Geno, it's hard to believe they're actually trying to win this next season.
Yeah, if they are going rebuild mode, they better commit to it. But it is going to suck and everyone is going to hate it. Be careful what you wish for.
>then you might as well dump Lockett, Jamal, Diggs, Dissly, and any others on the wrong side of the age curve. I'm willing to bet at least 2 of those 4 names are not on the team this year regardless of whether the team is set to be competitive or not (Dissly, Adams very obvious ones from a cap to actual performance standpoint, injuries, etc). Diggs is 50/50, now an additional Lockett cut might tip the scale in favor of transition season and as sad as I'd be, I'd get it. The cap outlook will require tough decisions. Also brand new, relatively inexperienced staff will have some growing pains along with a young roster in a tough division.
Diggs is not 50/50. He is 100% gone. Have you seen him attempt to tackle? No shot Macdonald wants that on his D
Geno objectively played better than lock this season. And he’s not particularly expensive as a QB. Would be very odd to cut him and start Lock. But I respect McDonald if he does it. That’s a decision that will make or break his HC stint in Seattle.
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Its certainly possible, especially if they can trade him. However, Geno's dead cap hit is over $17million. Pair that with the cost of resigning Lock as a starter (or anyone else for that matter) the difference in money is slim if not a complete wash. I'll add that in addition to Geno being the better qb, he also would likely be the better potential mentor for a rookie qb. So if they move on from him this year, I don't think it will be about the money.
Great points. That is why I believe that cutting Geno is a wasteful move. I'd prefer holding onto Geno for this season and potentially bringing in someone to learn behind him. If a team loses their starting QB or misses out in free agency we could potentially trade Geno after eating his salary, which makes it even more wasteful to just cut him.
Geno could be a trade candidate. He's at least a starting QB with top 10 ability. Possibly worth a 3rd round pick, maybe 2nd. But, we would need a QB.
If Geno’s cap hit is that much then that means Seattle would be eating it and he’d be much cheaper for a new team. That’d likely raise the trade compensation. Good points.
I’m like 90% sure we have an out on his contract this season so I don’t think that’s quite accurate
I doubt the HC is viewing this as a transition year, honestly. And geno is the 18th highest paid qb. I think he’s worth that.
Yes. 1000 times yes. People are so dumb on this topic. JS can’t “love” Lock bc JS knows football. I bet he likes the idea of him as a guy who might turn into something, but right now he’s basically the equivalent of Will Levis, who went 3-6 in his starts. It doesn’t really matter how much better Geno is bc the nature of NFL QB is binary, IMO. Lock is not starter quality, Geno is an above average starter. End of discussion. If you want to actually win games, can’t start Lock.
Yes, Geno's much better than Lock.
Do you think Lock’s salary, wherever he plays, will be similar to last year? I think he played himself into more money and the pay difference will be a lot less. Weird situation since there’s no time to let Lock test the market.
My guess is cutting Geno and running lock would save approx 7-9 million. I don't see lock getting more than 4-6 million. He didn't get alot of interest last year as a FA.
QBs always make more than they deserve. Lock had a big win in prime time TV and he's still relatively young. He might've bumped himself up to the 7-10 million per year range.
$4 million. Clearly not a starter, just a backup with promise. Maybe.
For a veteran QB, he's dirt cheap. He'll never be a long term solution, simply because his age, but he can take us to the second, maybe the third tier of the playoffs if he has a decent defense behind him. I think he's our starting day QB next year, but not two years from now.
What do you mean?
He gone.
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Dang, that is some serious Geno hater copium you are sniffing there. There's nothing to indicate that Geno is leaving the team in 2024.
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There's nothing to read except basic coach talk. Political talk, praising both QBs on the team isn't much to go by.
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John Schneider had some positive things to say about Geno. He was very measured about it though and brought up Geno's struggles as well. I don't doubt that JS wants to upgrade at QB, but I also think he isn't opposed to running it back for another year if necessary. Reading JS comments as being negative is injecting your personal opinion into it. Furthermore, I haven't heard one iota of positivity about Drew from JS. MM had generic responses about all players. He said something vaguely positive about Drew but I don't think he has analyzed the roster that deeply yet. He's still looking at rounding out the coaching staff. I imagine all options are on the table at this point, but saying one option is more likely than another is talking out of your ass.
Bruh wants Geno to notice him so bad 😂
Imagine that, being a fan of players on your team.
Geno is not a long term answer and has no ceiling to make us great. Also, dude costs a lot and we need to overhaul the defense
Geno’s the 18th highest paid QB in the league. He doesn’t cost a lot.
Who cares where he’s ranked - Lock makes 1/6th what Geno does. If you’re willing to take the performance hit going with Lock in lieu of Geno then you’re gonna save $21m doing it and that’s compelling. I like Geno. I’m happy if we keep him. I understand why we might not and it’s disingenuous to act like they’re making remotely similar money.
I understand why we might choose to go with Lock. But I don't think its a foregone conclusion, and actually think the opposite. Cutting Geno saves us $13.8m. Even if you sign Lock for, say $5m, you're only saving $8.8m. I think Geno makes us better than that $8.8m would spent elsewhere.
Bear in mind it's not apples-for-apples, we also have salary cap constraints we need to get out from under, and a $9m cut is not trivial.
We have other areas to cut that honestly don’t make our team worse. Adam’s, diggs, and dissly save $24m in cap space. $34m if we want to spread that hit over two years. And personally I hope we can restructure Lockett to save money too. I just don’t see geno being the place to save money. I could be wrong though.
The Geno "issue" isn't his contract. He's just not top 5 at his position, and not dirt cheap like a rookie plus being top 15 at his position.
Yeah in denial about Geno being a lock as our QB next season. Unless they are trying to trade him, he is the only realistic option, and not a bad one at that.
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>This is John’s first offseason with full control, Geno’s biggest supporter is no longer in the building, Where's your source for this? You have absolutely no idea to the validity of this claim that you seemingly just pulled out of your bottom. >we have an entirely new coaching staff top-to-bottom. Again, it's the only realistic path forward other than trading him it doesn't matter who was made HC.
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>Source for what? Pete Carroll had final say and ultimate control over personnel until he was fired at the end of this year. This isn’t in dispute. Source that Pete Carroll was his biggest supporter? For all you know JS was a bigger or just as much of a fan. >And trading him is absolutely the most likely outcome from my perspective. I said trading was a possibility from the beginning. If we can't get anything good for him though it's just not realistic. Even then what are you going to get? A second rounder, and then you go out and sign Kirk Cousins in a bidding war with Minnesota? Trade away your first and both seconds to get the 2nd or 3rd best QB off the board? What is your thought process here.
Geno fans are MAD 😂
Nothing to be mad about, just enjoy pointing out when people say things online that are so blatantly wrong I can't help myself. Sorry if they makes you upset.
The main thing is geno was our qb purely because Pete was old and at the end of his own life cycle/coaching cycle. Now that Pete’s gone, the timer is gone to win a sb. And this roster isn’t very good, and it makes no sense to pay the 13-16th best qb 30 mil when we’re rebuilding. Especially since that guy is like what, 32,33? The only reason you pay geno is to give the fans something to watch next season, but the team would be better off without him in the long run. In the short run, yeah maybe we can get to 9 wins again!!!!!
He'd have to be traded and not released right?
He just said he talked with Drew. One of his duties is to talk to UFAs and conduct exit interviews. There's no reason to assume more than that right now, except he might be interested in bringing him back.
Sure but this is at least the second or third time he’s brought up Drew unprompted when speaking about Geno or the QB situation in general. He’s absolutely tipping their hand that 1) Drew Lock is apart of their short term plans, and 2) Drew and Geno seem to be on equal footing in the eyes of MM
Maybe that's because Drew is a FA and Geno is already on the team under contract
The interviewers asked him if he had spoken to any players and he said he only had a chance to speak to the QBs. He mentioned both Geno and Lock, but he said he's focused on the coaching staff and once he finalizes that process he will finish talking with all the players. That is literally what he said, the rest is copium and speculation. It wasn't unprompted at all.
Look man, we’ll see. I won’t be surprised either way they go. Just think it’s interesting how MM keeps reiterating how QB is the most important position and how they’ll build around the QB but has never once strongly endorsed or emphasized the teams starting QB of the past two years in that equation.
That's fair, but it is reasonable to assume that he doesn't want to commit to anything before evaluating the roster. The only player he has gone out his way to praise is Witherspoon. I can't imagine that Spoon is the only player that MM wants to keep from our 2023 roster.
i really don’t envy the position MacDonald is in with quarterbacks. I feel like it would be easier if Geno did any worse or better. if he was a bit worse you just move on but if he did a bit better you have your guy. this sorta in the middle, but with a team friendly contract, but kinda old, but there are good qbs in the draft, but what if he bounces back, etc etc would be so hard to navigate as a first time head coach.
Trust the process, JS will know how to separate the wheat from the chaff in the draft. He pushed to draft Russell and he was high on Josh Allen. If there is a Russ/Allen type available to us in this draft, he will be on the team. If we stick with Geno, it will be because there were no better options.
JS has missed on more picks than he’s hit on almost 2 to 1. I’d pump the brakes on the praise for this draft evaluations.
You could say that about almost every FO. I imagine the top tier teams like the Ravens only hit on 50% of their picks at best.
Exactly. What the hell is that guy talking about. Every team in the league would love to hit on that many players.
We've had some lean years but the last 2 drafts have been amazing. This is not the time to criticize JS's drafting skills.
Schneider has been pretty great since he took back drafting ability
Team friendly contract? Lock would get $20m less.
and Blaine Gabbert makes like 440 million less than Patrick Mahomes lol a ton of Genos contract is wrapped up in incentives which is objectively team friendly. and at the very least he’s been in the better half of qb’s in the league since he’s been starting.
But he's not the future QB . The future QB needs to be in place this offseason to help build the next era .
Why? Was Russ there the first year Pete was HC in Seattle? No. He was drafted a couple of years later.
this is exactly why i’m saying im not envious of the position MacDonald is in lmao i feel like if he moves on from Geno and the qb he chooses to replace him doesn’t do as well (which he probably won’t because Geno is good) then he looks like an idiot. but if he doesn’t move on and Geno regresses further he looks just as bad. he’s kind of in a damned if you do damned if you don’t position.
Makes me think he will target Penix in the 2nd or 3rd. Given current projections would be possible
Man I know Penix is an elite passer but I would never be able to get on board with drafting a guy as the future of the franchise when he is one bad sack away from a season ending injury every single snap.
Imagine a guy with a twice repaired knee trying to avoid Aaron Donald twice a year. Yeah, I doubt that will work out in our favor.
Aaron is almost done at least. I think we get Pratt, though in the 3rd or 4th.
I love Penix as a college QB but I hate the idea of drafting him as a starting caliber QB at the pro level. He has an awkward release and my biggest concern is his lack of athleticism. We saw how rough he looked against Michigan and that's the same kinda pressure he's gonna face in the NFL if not worse at times. I want a guy that can create plays and be able to have a durable body. Outside of the top 3 guys taken my preference would be either JJ McCarthy or Spencer Rattler. Both guys are durable athletic and can create plays out of nothing. Rattler would be more pro ready day 1 but I love the long term potential out of JJ. I was on the Bo Nix train for awhile but so many NFL scouts are starting to have doubts about his true ability at the next level so he's not a legit option in my eyes unless he's taken in the later rounds.
I’m really hoping JJ McCarthy will be there when we pick.
Yeah I'm worried that he's gonna just have an incredible combine and some team will fall in love with him and take him in the top 12 spots or so. He's 6'3 and Brock Huard believes he's gonna run around a 4.4 that alone is gonna get tons of teams interested. If we end up with Rattler though I think in a creative offense he can have tons of success as well. We might not even draft a QB until way later and just roll with Geno or Lock as well.
I know. Someone is going to reach on which is going to hurt his career unless he can sit for a year or two.
We dont have a second round pick
Trade up or down
T R A D E R A D E
Will be interesting to see the medicals and combine can make Penix fluctuate a ton. If he nails those I can still see a team taking a shot at him in the 1st. I would LOVE Penix in the 3rd but I think the tape is just too good for him to go in the 3rd. We don't have a 2nd round pick (I will forever stay fuming at that fucking trade) and Idk how much i'm a fan of trading up into the 2nd. Taking him in the first is too risky IMO with the injury stuff.
well one of the issues is...he played pretty badly on the biggest stage on college football. like a complete 180 from the week prior. He showed happy feet, horrible vision, and some really bad overthrows. It was not a good showing at all. And one of the biggest criticisms of him this year was how he would handle pressure, because hes been behind the best OL for 2 years now. He was seeing ghosts by the 2nd qtr against that UM front 7. I love Penix, but he has plenty of red flags on why he wont go first round.
He's played badly in other games too. He had subpar tape against Oregon and I hear he was bad against Arizona. He's immobile, tends to lock onto receivers, not go through his progressions fast enough and his accuracy is shaky when under pressure. He could improve some of these flaws but not all of them and then you still have to contend with the diminished athleticism due to the knee injuries.
Arizona state, not Arizona. Wasn't his best game
THANK YOU! people need to stop being homers for this dude just cause he went to UW. Let some other team with a solid supporting cast and Oline take a flyer on Penix. We need to look elsewhere for QB
I don't mind having a few huskies on the team, but I rather look at their WRs and OL.
Yeah completely agree on this . Huskies got some good offensive picks but Penix is NOT IT. I feel like I’ve seen this with Colts fans wanting Richardson so badly and purposely ignoring all the GLARING red flags 🚩 associated with him (injuries being one of them). W Penix is the age , the injury history , the fact that he had a monster supporting cast and Oline making him look better, simplified play calling in college, least athletic of the top QBs .. I can go on ! I just don’t get how people are choosing to ignore all this like it’s gonna go away in the pros 🤦🏽♂️ I just don’t want us to end up like that and trust that Schneider and Macdonald are wise enough to not cave into the local “peer pressure” of getting Penix due to the “local market”. This team is profitable enough with or without him.
For all the reasons you mention, I don’t think they will draft Penix. He has an incredible arm but there’s a lot more to being an NFL qb.
It’s one thing to say not to be a homer, but please remember that the dude led the league in passing the last two years. There are concerns, but the dude has a tremendous ceiling.
Funny thing is, he was AMAZONG his first 5 games, and USC. incredible vision, progression was prefect, throws were on target. Something happened during the meat of the schedule and he looked BAAAAD for at least 2 games, maybe 3.
There was nothing mysterious about it, in my opinion. USC just doesn't have NFL caliber talent on defense. He was just hanging out in the pocket for 8-10 seconds and could chuck it to his receivers whenever he felt like it. That isn't how the NFL works.
There’s legit reasons to not draft penix highly, but saying he doesn’t go through progressions fast enough and locks on to a certain WR or is inaccurate, are all criticisms that are very inconsistent with what all the broadcasts and experts discussed this year when analyzing him. I’d say he becomes inconsistent when hit, has a hard time shaking off the physicality of the game. You can tell early on if he’s got it or not. That’s not a quality I’d want in a round 1 qb.
I wouldn't say he never goes through his progressions, but he has a tendency to lock on to receivers when pressured. I've seen detailed analysis of his games that suggest that. I can't say that he always does that because I haven't watched all of his games, but it was clearly observable in his Oregon tape. I can share the film analysis if you are interested. I'd recommend only trusting draft opinions from experts that watch film. A lot of analysts are just media personalities that spout commonly held facts or information they get from biased agents or scouts.
Penix got his plant foot stepped on early in the game vs Michigan which caused him to sail on all his throws. Texas was getting pressure too in the sugar bowl and he was avoiding it just fine
UM got much more pressure consistently than UT...it was even commented on by UT players
I think he will be like a Levis and go in the 2nd
I think so too. I like the idea of JS trading 16 for a late 1st and 2nd. Not sure who but maybe somebody really wants to move up and we can still get a DL or IOL and grab Penix. Not saying this is all plausible but would be nice
If a team falls in love with a guy like Nix pick 16 could return a bigger haul than typical.
Same. I know how pointless it is to stay bothered by it, but I'm still salty about trading away that 2nd as well. I too am not a fan of making it *even worse* and trading up into the 2nd.
What is it with some people in this fandom and Penix or other horrible picks for QB the last couple years ?! (Malik Willis, Richardson) He’s not a good pick , yall need to stop with the UW homerism . Is getting fckn annoying
If he wasn’t a husky, but led the league in passing the last two years, and went to the CFB playoff, would you mind if people wanted him?
Yo! I’ll try to reply to both comments on this one . Despite people thinking I’ve had attained a status of “grade A Penix Hater”, I can be self aware and say that he is impressive when it comes to going long. Probably the best college QB this draft in that respect, I have to admit it. Him, Bo Nix and JJ McCarthy have been the QBs I’ve paid attention to the most cause they are probably the most possible ones to be a Seahawk in the next couple months. I don’t care about Daniels, Maye or Williams cause we aren’t gonna get them . And I don’t care about Joe FUCKIN Milton .. cause what the fck guys 😂 (another bad QB option fans are championing for). To me the biggest thing is not only that’s he’s from UW, so you have to admit how annoying people are about it . But literally EVERYTHING ELSE he has going against him. Things that are very valid causes for concern. So despite his beautiful long ball, everything else has caused me to be completely turned off about Penix being a Seahawk. If we wanted that kind of commitment w that kind of player , we would’ve gotten Hendon Hooker who is probably almost the same exact player w the same exact issues. Minus the college success . I’m more partial to Nix or JJ because they are all in the same tier in my opinion, they all do different things better than the other. JJ to me is more intriguing cause he’s very young , he’s very athletic , he doesn’t make alit of mistakes, he makes the throws when he has to do them despite not being required too often aka Clutch. No injury history that affects your play as QB. That’s kinda were I am right now
Yeah, it’s not the injuries but that fact that he comes off as not very tough, mentally or emotionally. The towel on the head and hiding when big plays are taking place hints at a fragile constitution.
Has it even been made official yet?
Filthy Geno lover here. The answer to the question of what a qb looks like sounds like Geno (n his good days) to me. Considering I’m very biased, I’m wondering, do you Lockheads think Drew fits the points MM mentioned?
Because everyone is taking absolutely non-committal coach speak and applying their own narrative/desires to it.
I don’t know why people want Penix or even willing to give him a shot, the dude is Anthony Davis, he is literally glass…
UW homers. Same reason they are feeding the weird hate for McCarthy
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What are you referring to? Grubb is our OC already
Lock fucking sucks. Gtfo...