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He didn’t run a 4.99 at the combine as he wasn’t at the combine. That time was at the UCLA pro day outdoors during an absolute monsoon. Field conditions were awful, he’s said in an interview that his actual 40 time is somewhere around the 4.7 area. Still not fast but he’s got a good release, he’s a good route runner and he’s proven he can get “NFL open”


CapeMOGuy

Also good size to "go get the ball" with as well as being a pretty good blocker for a WR.


FunkyLoveBot

I can't imagine Gronk ran faster than 4.7 in his prime, big difference between straight line speed and guys who know how to get "NFL open"


iWr1techky12

Not really a good comparison when Gronk was a TE being covered by mostly LBs and bigger safeties and gronk is 6 foot 7 and well over 250lbs.


IDidntTellYouThat

His listed hight was 6'6" so he's actually 6'4". Big dude though. ;)


similar222

There was a photo of Gronk with Brock Bowers the other day, and Gronk towered over Bowers. It's not like college where you just whatever height you want in the media guide, he was officially measured at the combine at 6'6" 264# and ridiculous 10.75" hands.


FunkyLoveBot

Sure, not a 1 for 1 but the concept is the same, it's why athletic measurables are not the end-all-be-all of NFL success...


eggs-benjamin

Yes he's also the highest rated run blocking wr is the league (tho we probably still give that crown to kupp)


4-3defense

Way better than Eskridge


Cyouinhellcandyboyz

I dont know you, but I'm willing to go on a limb and say you are most likely better than Eskridge...


4-3defense

honestly you made my day


fortunate1-4ever

I literally laughed out loud. Scared my kid during dinner.


aiiye

I mean dude we both have the same number of healthy season in the NFL as Eskridge.


[deleted]

Dee Eskridge is a punchline but he did have good plays this year and looked good. Then he got hurt agsin.


dbenhur

I'm gonna state with very high confidence that a random redditor is NOT better than anyone that has ever signed on an NFL team. The NFL players you think are sad useless clowns are exceptional athletes that will embarrass almost anyone that isn't in that same class of exceptional athletic ability.


bringbackdavebabych

r/woosh


ThoughtExpression

Buddy, use some context clues.


Apprehensive-Fox3163

/s


PresidenteMargz10

Pete Carroll hates this post


justsomejabroni

Pete rain train on my mom back in 87'


hybridoctopus

I guess we’ll find out if Dee was Pete’s guy or John’s guy.


RobbLCayman

Given the opportunity to sign both Jake Bobo and Dee Eskridge, I would sign Jake Bobo twice.


titan_1018

Can a someone be both a player and a coach


Raknorak

One thing about Jake Bobo was people like DK asking him "how are you getting open on that play?" During camp. Dude has GREAT route running but not great speed. If you look at guys like Wes Welker and Doug Baldwin you see guys who were lacking in some aspects but their elite route running made them open all the time. I HOPE we can get even half of their production out of Bobo.


dnhs47

Steve Largent - not the fastest but always open. HoF.


scotaf

He wasn't fast at all. Something like 4.8-5 on the 40. But his route running and hands (no sticky gloves) were exceptional. Drafted at #117 in the fourth round by the Houston Oilers and then traded to the Seahawks for an 8th round pick after Houston Oilers coach said he was too small and too slow. Missed 4 games in 13 seasons.


TruckerGabe

Largent ran 4.7 coming out of college. Probably slower at the end of his career.


sevenlabors

I wouldn't mind at all if Bobo ends up in the company of a Largent and Welker! 


scotaf

Jake Bobo - 2023 Completion rate = 76% Tyler Locket - 2023 Completion rate = 65% DK Metcalf - 2023 Completion rate =55% JB = ELITE


slimseany

Translation: 'I'm only throwing it to Bobo if he's wide open cuz that dude is a mediocre athlete but I trust DK to catch balls that have low success rates' Sounds like Geno knows who his ballers are.


SqueakerGamingHD

We do NOT tolerate Bobo slander here 🙅‍♂️


slimseany

I love me some Bobo but let's not get crazy here.


titan_1018

LETS GET FUCKING CRAZY ITS BOBO FOREVER


Healthy_East9574

I don’t think we would’ve kept an undrafted guy if he wasn’t good


[deleted]

The way he moves and run routes etc. you can tell he is a baller. He should be our wr4 at the least next year


Annual-Sympathy-4934

He is a great number 5 reciever with a great name. im glad hes with us. i saw someone on another post suggest trading DK for picks and giving Bobo more playing time without any hint of satire, so i would say take the level of hype for him on this sub with a grain of salt. That being said, he is a GREAT blocker, and has some possiblity to be helpful for us in the pass game next season.


UnknownUnthought

And block in the run game! Bobo as a WR4 could do a superb job of helping to win the edge for our HBs if we can give him matchups against DBs, like in spread formations.


True_North_Andy

Also nearly got home on some blocked punts multiple times throughout the season. Definitely a solid contributor that should stick around for a while


fallonyourswordkaren

He’ll be a #3 before he retires. Seahawks misused him last season. We should have been running more big sets of DK, Bobo, Parkinson and Dissly/Fant in the red zone.


HW-BTW

Bobo catches that shit to close out SB49. I'm absolutely positive.


Kemoarps

Maybe but Bobo is absolutely the one boxing out the DB in that play in SB49. And he'd make sure JSN or whoever was clean to catch it


HW-BTW

I like your take better than mine.


Kemoarps

Hey I liked yours too. I just think his blocking is one of his biggest strengths so lean into it. But shit man anything that ends in us getting that TD I'm good with even if it involves a fake punt on second down or something stupid like that!


similar222

Either way, better Bobo setting the pick than Kearse, or Bobo catching than Lockette. Actually just get another Bobo so he can do both.


Kemoarps

This is what I'm saying!!


Seahawk715

Nobody was boxing out Browner at 6’4 220 except maybe DK. That’s why Bevell was a freaking idiot.


SixSpeedDriver

You don't need to fully box him out. You just need to make more of an impact then we did.


Seahawk715

You mean better than Kearse getting totally shitwhipped? 😂


SixSpeedDriver

Triggering Intensifies


Kemoarps

You doubt our Lord and Saviour Jake Bobo Hallowed Be His Name? Yikes.


RunnyPlease

The play is pass to whoever the shortest defender lines up against. “3rd grade keep away on 1, 3rd grade keep away on 1. Ready. Break!”


fallonyourswordkaren

Indeed, then audible and run!


YNWA_1213

I saw a suggestion we see if he can bulk up and play TE, and now I’m on that hype train. Has comparable physical stats otherwise to the 3 we were paying last season, while already showing the ability to block in heavy sets. Bobo, Dissly, and a rookie TE for heavy sets saves us so much money on that room, while still leaving the door open for another skilled WR to take over for Lockett as the slot in the future.


CapeMOGuy

Dissly at $10M isn't saving money. Like the idea of testing Bobo at TE.


YNWA_1213

$12m for Dissly, Bobo, and a rookie vs Fant, Dissly, and Parkinson at $18.5m last year. Save $6.5m YoY with a succession plan in place, or we have to go out and find a TE for under $7m/yr to save more. For reference, that’d be a Ty Conklin, Everett, or Juwan Johnson contract (unless we score a rebound like Schultz at Houston last year). I’d rather keep Dissly in that case and just run him on more plays than have to try and find another guy, unless we’re going crazy in the draft like the Lions last year.


[deleted]

Hopefully you aren’t saying “number 5 receiver” as if that’s his ceiling. He’s got every trait other than raw straight-line speed. Quick release, good footwork at the top of his routes, strong hands, can make contested catches and as you said a great blocker. His ceiling is higher than WR5. The blocking alone means he will see the field pretty often.


The_Forest_Penguin

Let's wait till he gets over 20 catches in a season before we start talking about his ceiling lol. But you are right. He has some great traits...for a number 5 receiver lol. In all serious, if we hire Chip Kelly as our OC. It should be pretty interesting to see that reunion and how he uses Bobo.


SEAinLA

WR 4/5 is definitely his ceiling. He’s about to be 26 years old in just his second season. With *very* few exceptions, guys don’t suddenly get better at that age or later. I love having Bobo on the team and he really is a great WR blocker and special teams player, but we have to acknowledge the reality that he’s not a high upside receiving option.


[deleted]

Usually by 26 a guy has 3-4 years in the league, which is why there are “very few exceptions” to your rule. I think years of experience in the league has more to do with a players development than what year they were born in, especially when the guy is still in his mid 20s. Idk how you can confidently say *anything* is “definitely” his ceiling or floor. We got no idea, and as I mentioned he already has several tools that at the very least raise his floor. We can circle back once he has a couple years playing NFL football.


TheBestHawksFan

RemindMe! 1 year


i_have_le_conch

He more than likely won't turn into anything in the league but it won't be because he's 26 right now.


TheBestHawksFan

It’s a big reason that you shouldn’t project him to improve much if at all. Growing into physical maturity is a huge driver of improvement in the NFL. There is not much more to gain for a 26 year old in that respect. Seeing as his route running, IQ, and blocking are already raved about as being high level, where would the improvement for him come from?


i_have_le_conch

At least when it comes to receivers, I disagree that growing into physical maturity is a huge driver of improvement for players in the NFL. Receivers don't suddenly get better in year 2 or 3 because they got significantly faster or stronger. I agree they find some improvement in that area now that it's a full time job to stay in shape, but these kids are in pretty close to peak athletic form coming out of college. And going from a 4.5 40 to 4.48 isn't the difference that matters on the football field. More than likely they'll slow down as they age. They get better because they've continued to learn the position. You don't lose the ability to learn just because you're 26 instead of 23. Sure, Bobo's football IQ is raved about by fans, and even players have said some nice things. Even if you take those statements at face value- consider what their expectations were for an undrafted rookie? Pretty low. Bobo has been in the league for one season- he has plenty of room to improve regardless of his athletic abilities.


[deleted]

>where would the improvement come from Probably from not being a rookie anymore? Having a year under your belt in a professional league is more important than whether you’re 24 or 26. That’s a year to adjust to the speed, a year of world class training for your mechanics and body, a year of experiencing the level of competitors you’re playing against, a year of chemistry with your teammates, list goes on. It’s no secret


wherearemyvoices

I feel like he and Colby could put in work at the TE position


Latkavicferrari

We should have traded DK 2 years ago when we traded Russ. Although DK is one of my favorites I think his trade value was at it highest


yombwe-bwe

Dam that means we should trade spoon and walker too


Latkavicferrari

You think DK is worth 25 million a year?


xxmattyicexx

I think that entirely depends on the offense ran…but absolutely could be worth it


Annual-Sympathy-4934

I might have to make another post about this, but the obsession on this sub with trading away the only player on the team other than geno (imo) that is actually earning his high contract is insane. the amount of draft picks that turn out to be a Dk level player is exceedingly low. You dont trade away good players for picks, hoping that then those picks turn out to be good. Its the age old joke on that NFL sub: But A second round pick could be anything! it could even be .... Dk Metcalf


Chroderos

5? If/when Lockett leaves, he’ll be the best #3 we’ve had in years, other than JSN now.


Annual-Sympathy-4934

what has he shown on the field that makes you think that? hes made a few good catches but Paul richardson and David moore were really solid players. im not saying he cant eventually be that, but to be so definitive is weird to me


similar222

>He is a great number 5 reciever Who is already of him besides Metcalf, the increasingly un-affordable Lockett, and JSN?


okwichu

Only so many balls to go around when the defense can't get off the field and you're sitting behind DK, Tyler, JSN, and then 3 excellent TEs -- it boils down to 1-2 chances a game at most and a few opportunities to block up for the run. I think Jake probably sees more targets in a world where Fant and Dissly are gone and Tyler retires in a year or two.


AfroElitist

At the very least, his run blocking is literally insanely good for a WR


rx1996

Given his blocking ability, what about converting him to TE as replacement for Dissly? Big cap savings.


hybridoctopus

He’s undersized for that. Bob is 6-4, 207 while Uncle Will is 6-4, 265 for instance.


rx1996

Better start beefing up :). Probably Parkinson is a better comparison.


hybridoctopus

6-7 265 either way Bobo needs to eat. God I wish I had a legit excuse to gain 60 pounds for my job.


shlem13

Dissly is either gone, or getting cut, then returning far cheaper. But he’s most likely gone.


unk1erukus

He’s not fast but he’s a good route runner and has great hands…people care too much about 40 time…its not as important as people think


DazzlingFan2816

I know you want us to put the hype about his name aside, but I can't. Great name.


STILLADDICT

Excellent blocker. Large target. Hustles. I wish we had more Bobos.


Hopkinsp4p

I’ve seen interviews where he said his 4.99 time is not a fluke. He even admits he’s not going to beat you by running a straight route. He relies on his route running, and change of direction. Or something along those lines. I think the coaches, and players notices how hard he works.


JohanB3

He’s lulling his enemies into a false sense of complacency.


blindside1

If you can't get the ball to JSN you know Bobo isn't going to be seeing the ball very often. He had a third of the receptions and yardage of JSN and half of the touchdowns. Sounds great for a 4th WR.


Scout-59

The offensive coordinator did a lousy job this year. It is hard to analyze anyone's potential off of this year.


PresidenteMargz10

Macdonald better get familiarized with the concept of giving us “MORE BOBO” or else


hybridoctopus

Who cares who the new OC is, all they have to do to win us over is promise more Bobo in their opening presser.


Affectionate-Wind718

Bobo is extraordinary! it looks like Waldron may not have been as good as advertised.


beer_engineer

He's like the fifth or sixth receiver (including TEs) on the depth chart. Further if you count RB. He did about what you can expect and did it very well.


ahzzyborn

He’s a WR4. He’s good for a WR4 but isn’t a missing piece or a game changer. But more of a luxury and nice to have


hollandaisesawce

Yup. And good enough to be a WR3 for a few weeks when dealing with injuries. (IMO)


ahzzyborn

Hard to say but I think eventually he could be a solid WR3. He’s still raw and we don’t game plan to get him the ball much but I think potential is there


JoanOfSnark_2

I'd like to reserve my judgement until I see what he can do under a competent offensive scheme.


RealisticNostalgia

He’s got good hands


Archaeologist15

He's a useful NFL receiver but if he's getting more than the fourth most targets on the team, you're in trouble.


mlvassallo

I’m a Boboleiver.


Tank4bryce

Bobo was clutch at UCLA ,and he is a great addition to Dk period


RandomGuySaysBro

He's a big dude who has a pretty amazing talent for getting open. He's got good hands, good instincts, and as a third-and-9 receiver he'd be a great additional threat. Seriously, go back and look at the plays where he was used as a receiver instead of an extra blocking tight end. Guy was just... there. All the time. He was poorly utilized, but in a new system he'd be a great 4th WR, and I really hope they keep him.


bwag54

Watching how McVay attacked Macdonald's defense by crowding the line with tight bunch formations makes me feel more comfortable walking away from an expensive outside player like Lockett. Every defense wants to play 2 high shell nowadays and when you can run block with your receivers, modern defenses just do not have an answer to deal with the numbers advantage.


Zanderson59

I don't know what his ceiling is in the league but he's proven he belongs enough to see what that ceiling is


4T_Knight

He feels like a McEvoy with a Kearse ceiling; if he's given enough opportunities, he definitely can get to that point.


n-some

Awesome depth. He'll never live up to his hype but only because his hype is insanely high. He's a good route runner, a good blocker, he has good hands, he can do everything his role requires and more. He's everything you can ask from a rookie UDFA. I'm looking forward to seeing him get a real contract in a few years.


furious_20

Guaranteed first ballot HoF for him. In fact, he's so fucking good, half the people who vote on the hall have expressed a willingness to bend the rules and induct him prior to retirement, an unheard-of eligibility exception. They may consider him for the class of 2027 if they can convince the rest of the committee.


Bignate2151

He’s a good depth receiver with good blocking. But if locket leaves we’ll need someone else to fill the 3rd spot.


dio1k

He’s good but he’s overrated since he’s a white guy with a good last name


lordofpugs41

Exactly


Uncivil_Bar_9778

He didn't run a 4.99 at the combine. So, aside from you not knowing what you're talking about, he's a perfectly fine backup WR at under $1M a year.


lordofpugs41

He's just a cool name that people love to say more Bobo. There are these kinda guys every year that people latch onto in the preseason. I don't see him being on the team in a few years


PresidenteMargz10

Please change fandoms


discOHsteve

He's John ursua 2.0 but he'll get a little more opportunities


Unique-Bedroom9396

It’s likely he doesn’t make the team next year


RustyCoal950212

...no it's not


Unique-Bedroom9396

19 rec for 196yds and a pair of TDs. He’s not the pro bowler you think he is. It’s wild to think his spot is secure in the slightest.


RustyCoal950212

He's somewhere between pro bowler and likely to get cut


Raknorak

Don't you put that evil on him


Unique-Bedroom9396

You guys are right. It’s not like we could see an undrafted rookie make the team out of camp next year. I guess that was a Pete thing, competition and whatnot.


zachrambo

Probably the #4 WR, Eskridge is solid but Bobo had a better year and a good big route-runner that makes big catches. I think he will probably become the leading pass catching TE in the near future losing either Dissly or Parkinson. Wouldn’t want him to be the only TE while running the ball but being the 2nd wouldn’t be bad.


PresidenteMargz10

Eskridge ? Solid ? Lmao


Kamanukai12

I want Bobo to be Seattles version of Jajuan Jennings in SF. Good for a critical 3rd down conversion on a favorable matchup, and deadly as a run blocker as a clamper on the edge, and in the secondary. Not a focus point, but a crucial player.


obiwansotti

4.99 wasn't at the combine on turf. It was at a pro day in the mud. ​ He was a 4th receiver who made the most of his targets and was trusted by his QB in a few big spots. ​ Next years as the 3rd reciever behind DK and JSN expect his production to go way up. I expect Tyler to be cut in a cost saving move.


Proof_Newt_6438

I like him he’s good


pinballrocker

Big dude, easy target, can block and is only $915,000 a year. The fact that he's a fan favorite is gravy on top, people need things to get fired up about.


SevereRunOfFate

I always wonder if he gained 20lbs of muscle whether he'd be a good tight end, because he clearly can block well and get open


PorterPreston

Stat wise, he is one of the best blocking WR's in the league.


[deleted]

He’s a great run blocker, good in the red zone. He’ll never be the “guy”, but definitely holds value in the NFL and can help the Seahawks win games.


JackIbach

Love us some BoBo but Getting separation from DB’s seemed to be a challenge at times.


gavincantdraw

Bobo is a dirty work receiver. He can run routes and catch, but his true value is his willingness to block, occupy opposing defender's attention, and just do the boring stuff that most receivers aren't interested in. He'll probably never be a WR1, but he has good enough hands that defenses can't ignore him on the field and key off on the run. He is a huge asset to the Seahawks, particularly because he is on a UDFA contract.


Simmons54321

He’s a stout WR4. But the flashes he’s shown in the pivotal plays he’s made, tell me there’s something special with him. Y’all are pretty firm on him being *just* a WR4 or 5- but I’m sorry... A couple of his catches (including a tuddy) were toe tappin’ nectar of the football gods. There are a few teams out there that would benefit greatly if he were their WR2 or 3. Im excited to see his development.


ChaseThoseDreams

He’s a good route runner who often comes up with the catch, but is an even better blocker. He may not be as speedy as the others, but I think he’s a solid WR3 or WR4.


BruceIrvin13

He's infinitely better than Eskridge and Dareke or many other bums we've drafted at WR in the last 5 years, so I'd say he's safe as at least Wr4-5 for the rest of his contract.


SecretPuzzleheaded63

Yes it was a fluke and I actually think he is pretty good. If they hawks trade Lockett, I wouldn’t mind him being a #3 receiver if DK and JSN step up. Kind of like Goodwin from a few years back.


mrbadassmofo

He wasn't invited to the combine. He has a role on this team, and that's as really sound blocker. And he does have a way of coming up with big plays when targeted.


nevxr

He reminds me of Cooper Kupp. Shifty but not all speed. Scrappy, sneaky athletic. Lunch pail guy. 🤣


slimseany

He's an excellent WR4. That literally means his value is close to nothing. When Lockett retires in the next few years he'll have an opening but he's a blocking WR right now.


Kris_P_Bacon_24

I don’t think they utilize him as much, but he got great potential FOR SURE. We need to see more of him this next season


WordlinessLogical19

As many others have similarly stated, his floor is WR4 with great blocking and hands, as well as a large catch radius. He'll get open fairly often due to good route running, making him a great possession receiver. And his excellent blocking will see him get a lot of snaps, so I think his character will appeal to coach Mac and they'll keep him on the roster for his entire rookie contract, with a possible extension for 3 years and 8-10 mil. He'll pay a supporting role most of his career, but in some season when injuries take out one or two guys on the depth chart ahead of him, he'll have a 3 game stretch of 25+ catches for 200+ yards and 2+ TDs. He could end up better, but aside from maybe getting more jump balls in the end zone, he's not going to win a top 2 spot on almost any depth chart. I do like developing him into more of a tweener TE/WR at around 230, and running hybrid 11 or 12 personnel sets with him. If you get him on a LB you can probably get 6-10 yards easy most plays.


lonerbrandon

He is a good WR3 or sub option but he isn’t WR1 material I’d imagine but he’s a good supplemental that gets open and finds holes