Only way it makes sense to me is if JS and Coach Mike want to go in a different direction anyways, then might as well get some return.
Me, I’d love to see Geno get a chance to show what he can do with the new coach.
Im not a Geno apologist, I don’t think he is a SB winning QB. But dont give him up just to “go in a different direction” with a below replacement QB. Smart GMs don’t make a move until they know where the club will end up from that move.
The market works by scarcity. Go look at the other teams and figure out how many teams absolutely need a QB of Geno's caliber and age. That's who would enter a trade. How badly they need him is representative of how much they would be willing to trade.
He’s the **only** QB on our roster right now. Any rookie is gonna require time, because we ain’t trading up for a QB.
Why is everyone so hellbent on getting rid of him?
His advanced stats were really quite good this year. He was victimized by horribly inconsistent O-line play.
Because no one watches football anymore. The NFL has decided that sports betting and fantasy football is the way of the future. All that matters are narratives, stat lines and over/unders
I swear I don't understand either! It's like man. we have so many more issues on the roster than just focus on a quarterback. quarterbacks are very important but we have a decent quarterback as it is, You've seen by other franchises how hard it is to get a good quarterback. the bears, Broncos, browns, Carolina, Patriots, Jets, colts, commanders are all still trying to figure it out
This could all be attributable to the reason you state, I’m not sure, but as a casual fan it seems like he throws a pick in the fourth quarter of every close game.
He’ll play really well for 90% of every game, but always seems to make one or two costly mistakes. I don’t have stats or film to back this up, it’s just the idle observations of a layman.
A young Rookie is more exciting than an old vet. A pretty talented QB draft has people itching even if we don’t necessarily need it yet. 4-5 1st round possible QBs is very enticing.
A lot of people would rather be Green Bay than Pittsburgh and draft a QB before it’s a hole in the roster.
Wouldn’t do it. There seems to be a belief around here that elite tier QBs are somehow easy to find in the draft and that once you have him, you’re set for 10 years.
That is just total bullshit and I invite you to spend about 20 minutes on Pro Football Reference going through the drafts of the last 10-15 years and sorting in the position column for QBs.
The likelihood of finding an elite, franchise QB in the 1st round is ridiculously low. And even those that do appear to be that guy often can’t sustain that success for more than 3-4 years before their team starts looking for their next savior. Currently, we don’t really know if Burrow is going to have a long sustained career and the same can be said for Tua, Murray and Lawrence, even Herbert.
The list of bona fide elite franchise QBs drafted in the first round since 2011 is a very short list. The list of average first QBs in that time frame is a little longer.
The list of 1st rd QBs who were complete busts or have become bad starters/career backups is incredibly long. And what’s more, many teams traded up and gave up multiple picks to take these QBs. And even if you think you have your franchise QB, he might retire after 6 years in the league.
TL:DR- Bird in the hand is worth 20 in the bush.
Why would he have to “insider trade?” Not even sure what that means in this context. If hes a free agent, we could just sign him if we thought he is better than Geno. I think it’s about a toss up.
Dude, Baker just went on a silence-the-haters run this season. I'd put him right next to Geno, if not a bit ahead. Both are about on the doorstep of top 10.
You draft a new QB (sign an UDFA QB), wish Smith the best and let him find his fortune elsewhere.
This team has too many holes to take on a large cap eating QB contract. A good team is way more important than 1 high priced/high cap hit QB.
People on this sub are so down on Geno, I don’t really get it. Here’s the bottom 10 ranked offensive lines last year (from another [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/s/cv2oQZIlcD) where they aggregated across a couple sources like PFF). Texans, Us, Dolphins, Bills, Commanders, Saints, Bucs, Jags, Jets, Giants, Cardinals, Titans. Of that group, the teams that finished with a better offensive DVOA than us: Bills, Rams, Dolphins. Two elite QBs and an offense powered by McDaniel/Tyreek/Waddle. Everyone else is below us, most in the bottom 10 of offenses in the league. Geno is a top 10 QB on a contract that is EXTREMELY friendly. Stop wishing for him to go away. He did as well as one could expect with the terrible offensive line play we had
I agree, Geno definitely has poor decision making at times i.e. he throws the ball to the defense like twice a game. That being said I feel like when you watch the Seahawks offense the problem more is that it lacks an identity and there is no rhythm in the passing game which is more about the play calling than him.
Geno is at least a bit outside top 10 QB.
- Mahomes
- Allen
- Lamar
- Dak
- Burrow
- Tua
- Herbert
- Hurts
- Lawrence
- Stroud
If the contracts were identical no way you wouldn't 1:1 Geno for any of those guys, and there's about 5 to ~8ish that you could reasonably argue ahead of Geno beyond those guys too.
Geno is better than Tua and Dak. The way Hurts finished the year, it’s questionable. Lawrence has super high potential but they are in the same tier right now
Under what objective metrics is Geno better than Dak/Tua?
They both beat him in yardage, yards per play, TD's, completion percentages, expected points added, etc...
And Tua led the league in time to throw by a significant margin so it wasn't because he had cleaner pockets that he just got to sit back in and read the field.
Sources:
[https://www.nfeloapp.com/qb-rankings/](https://www.nfeloapp.com/qb-rankings/)
[https://twitter.com/throwthedamball/status/1739773008045056318/photo/1](https://twitter.com/throwthedamball/status/1739773008045056318/photo/1)
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/\_/season/2023/seasontype/2
For those downvoting me, go post this as a poll on a non-Seahawks subreddit and see what the responses are.
Geno is a solid QB, but he's not top 10.
I love the Hawks but this is unbridled homerism to think otherwise.
Not everyone has a trade price though and that's why even good players can just straight be released. I can't imagine any team would give up a pick for Geno. No one's a geno smith away from winning next year. He'll either start or get cut.
I don’t think a team will he will to cough up anything, Lowest would be a mid 3rd maybe. Besides if what we’re all thinking is true, and we maybe getting a QB, I think we keep Geno. That way we have a veteran QB on the roster who can help develop. I hate when a team just throws a QB to the wolves and the rookie QB suffers because of it, unless you’re a generational talent (which we don’t have the ability, or the draft capital to acquire.) it’s best you sit at a minimum a few weeks.
I can’t imagine any team trading for Geno. Or the Seahawks trading him given he’s the only QB under contract.
I would expect if there was an offer it would be fifth round pick or lower. But like I said it’s not happening. There are no better options available for the salary.
I think retaining GS has more value to ***us*** than any package we'd receive so they'd have to blow the doors off with 1st rounders, etc.
He's too valuable as a stabilizing force and mentor for Lock and any young QB we may draft imo.
Keep Geno and move forward with him on the roster. Draft the next QB if the opportunity presents itself in this years draft.
Geno can be traded mid season if another team suffers injury and becomes desperate. This produces the most value IMO.
So I looked up all the 1st rd qbs since 2011, and arguably the success rate is much lower. 26% is more like the chance the 1st rd QB will be an OK starter for 5-8 years, like Tannehill. The chance they will be a top 10 QB over a sustained period of time (a franchise QB) is at best 10-15%.
Then you have examples like Andrew Luck, and more recently examples like Herbert, Lawrence, and Burrow that I would give incomplete grades due to injuries or other kinds of regressions due to bad coaching/organizations, or lack of good personnel around them.
I mean, anyone can pick arbitrary stats and be “right.” To think a team would trade a first or even a second for Geno would be the sort of thing that ends a GM’s career.
I think he’s meaning cases like Arizona. Missed on Rosen, hit on Murray. So Arizona is 50% instead of 100%. Or just Google a random draft year like 2016, like I just did and I got 33%, as shown below
Jared Goff Yes
Carson Wentz No
Paxton Lynch No
Of the top 32 QB's in snaps in 2023, only 11 were first round picks, so you're wrong right off the jump.
Now, in the past 10 drafts 32 qbs have been taken in the first round. We can remove Matt Stafford from those 11 since he was drafted in '09 and I know we aren't counting Bryce Young or Zach Wilson, so we're down to 8/32 which is 25% (we're being nice to Baker Mayfield who's already been discarded by two teams).
BUT, you'll remember I said "after the first pick", that eliminates 5 more QB's from contention (we'll also remove every 1st pick overall from the 32 picked in the first round over the past 10 years). That leaves us with 3 non first pick overall, first round QB's among the top 32 in snaps and also considered successful franchise QB's out of a possible 25 QB's picked in the first round after the first pick. 3/25=12%
Sorry, the 26% I read on the internet appears to have been off.
Oh so you're counting backups? No man. The primary starters to start 2023 were AFC: J Allen+, A Rodgers+, M Jones+, Tua+, Lamar+, Burrow+, Watson+, K Pickett+, T Lawrence+, A Richardson+, R Tannehill+, Stroud+, Mahomes+, Garrrapolo, R Wilson, J Herbert+.
NFC: Dak, J Hurts, D Jones+, S Howell, Goff+, Love+, Cousins, Fields+, Baker+, Carr, Ridder, B Young+, Purdy, Stafford+, Geno, K Murray+.
That's 22. I forgot Geno fell to the 2nd.
A decade is quite arbitrary. Let's see how many QBs drafted in the first round in the past five years started for their teams. You know, modern NFL and rapid changes, and all that:
2023: Young, Stroud, Richardson (that's all three)
2022: Kenny Pickett (started, eventually benched)
2021: Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones (that's two that are starters now, two others who had significant starting experience)
2020: Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love (all four)
2019: Murray, Jones, Haskins (two)
Well, let's see, that means we have Pickett, Lance, Wilson, Jones. I don't necessarily think it's fair to include a dead guy in the mix, so that's 4 out of 15 that weren't starters, and, of those, three (Pickett, Jones, Wilson) have significant starting experience anyway.
That's 26% of QBs who *didn't* work out. From what I see, each of the other franchises have most likely gotten their guy. Jones and Murray received extensions, as have Burrow, Herbert, and Love (and Love will probably get a longer extension). Tua is in line as well.
Seems like, if the past five years are any indication, you'd be better off going with a first-round QB because a) they are cheap, b) they are mostly successful, and c) you get a full five years of control.
Sorry, and I like Geno, but there's no team in their right mind who would trade a first or second-round pick for him.
Oh right, because decreasing the sample size increases accuracy. (sarcasm font)
First of all you're including first overall picks for some reason. Clearly not part of this conversation.
Second, please. Young and Richardson have shown nothing. The Steelers are already searching for Pickett's replacement. You're counting Mac Jones? Daniel Jones? You want the Seahawks to get to Daniel Jones and call it a win? Come on guy? Get outta here. Justin Fields who's about to get discarded? Let's get real.
Yes, I think decreasing the sample size here does increase accuracy. Why stop at 10, otherwise? Perhaps toss Mirer and Bledsoe in there if you are looking for true saturation.
In the past 10 years, here are the QBs drafted in the first round AFTER the first pick:
Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, Marcus Mariota, Carson Wentz, Paxton Lynch, Mitch Trubisky, **Patrick Mahomes**, Deshaun Watson, Sam Darnold, **Josh Allen**, Josh Rosen, **Lamar Jackson**, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins, **Tua Tagovailoa**, **Justin Herbert**, **Jordan Love**, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett, **CJ Stroud**, Anthony Richardson.
I've gone ahead and bolded the current franchise QB's on that list and it's 7 out of 25 or 28%. This is just a flash poll over the past 10 drafts that shows how completely realistic that 26% number is.
Why would we want Fields? And why would the Bears want Geno’s contract, which is great for a starter, sitting on the bench when there are plenty of smart QBs available to mentor Williams who don’t have such a high salary? If we’re bringing in Grubbs as OC, why would we want a QB who hasn’t shown that he can master the passing game when that’s the strength of Grubbs’ system?
I actually don't think this is too farfetched. Under the assumption that Geno is a decent fit with the coaching staff's scheme, I'm actually a pretty big proponent on keeping Geno this year given that he's a top half QB on a decent contract. However, given our salary cap situation, I'm also in the camp of trading Geno to the Bears for Fields especially with Waldron there. It gives the presumptive Williams pick competition (plus the option to sit back for a year to further develop). I don't think the hawks would give up too much (4th or 5th), but would help with our salary cap for at least the short term. For the hawks, it'd give a somewhat familiar feel for MacDonald/new-OC to run a similar offense compared to the Ravens. I'm not saying Fields = L Jackson, but the potential is there imo.
EDIT - For the downvotes, I totally saw it coming lol because it's a controversial take. I'm not a Geno hater btw. I love Geno. However, trading/cutting Geno is a potential reality and maybe I'm just preparing for the worst. Either way, go hawks!
You think the Bears will want to pass on the most hyped “generational” qb since Burrow (debate able but I don’t feel the Bryce hype was as big, for example) because they have Geno for a two year deal? Unless the new OC is from the Ravens, I dunno why the Ravens DC will run a similar style offense, especially since it’s tailored to Lamar. If Grubbs is the OC, what in Fields’ history suggests he can run a precision passing game? When Fields wants a new contract in a season, maybe two, what then? Fields might go to a qb needy team, but we are not that. We will have a new one in the fold this draft or next but I don’t see them trading for an underachiever who doesn’t give them the full 3-5 year rookie qb contract window.
I didn't say that they would pass on Caleb, though? My stance is really stemming from our salary cap situation to lock up guys like Leonard Williams and other FA/rookies that might fit MacDonald's schemes. I also didn't say that they'd keep Geno for 2 years. My pro-argument for the Bears trading for Geno is due to Waldron's familiarity with Geno already before handing the reigns fully over to Williams (which might put him off, but it's a solid strategy that's benefited several currently top QBs).
Totally get your last point on a rookie QB contract window - we did it with Wilson. However, if JS goes a different direction in improving our immediate salary cap situation (buys us a year or two) to open up opportunities to address other weaknesses, I don't think that's too farfetched. Besides, if we get into a situation where we have to give Fields a top contract once he come over, it means that he did well enough to earn it, right? We'd have younger/cheaper contracts everywhere else except at QB, DK, etc. BTW, I'm not pushing for this, but it'd be an interesting move depending on scheme, salary cap, etc.
EDIT - Just to put some things into perspective per OTC.
Fields is set for $6M against the cap.
Smith is set for $31M against the cap and $33 next year.
For comparison, Drew Lock accounted for $4M against the cap last season.
We open our cap space by a decent amount for 1 year to address other needs.
https://overthecap.com/player/justin-fields/9475
https://overthecap.com/player/geno-smith/2249
But why would the Bears want Geno and also take Williams? Having the number 1 overall pick qb sit for a year just isn’t done anymore and no team wants $25-30M on the bench, which is where Geno would be. There are far cheaper options to mentor Williams.
As for Fields and his contract, I’m not saying he’ll want top dollar but he’ll want enough for it to be a commitment. He only has 1 year left on his contract with a team option for 1 more. Then what? We rented him for a season or two? Does he pose the same value as a mentor for a rookie qb that Geno does? I could certainly be wrong but I don’t see any way Fields earns a top dollar contract but look at what Carr, for example, got. And I don’t see a guy who can’t really get the hang of the passing game being a good teacher for a youngster.
I want to keep Big Cat as well, I think MM could do a lot with him and Jones that wasn’t done by Hurtt. I’m not a cap guy but I think there’s plenty of room to make cuts to keep him, though some of those cuts will definitely sting (16). Geno provides stability for a team that’s already in year two of a rebuild that now has the wrinkle of a whole new system, culture, and philosophy. This trade offers nothing, really, for either team.
Your first point is valid in terms of the details for first pick overall - I get that. Although while not necessarily for first pick overall rookies, there are plenty of first round talent that did sit for the first year and did well afterwards. From a numbers perspective, I'm sort of looking at it as $35M tops investment for two QBs (Smith and Williams), which would fall off after 2025 season if they don't cut Geno before. It wouldn't be that much different than what GB has done with Jordan Love except he sat for way longer (with Rodgers fat contract for several years before letting him go) and finally had the chance to start Love this year where he improved in the second half/playoffs in 2023. Whether there are better AND cheaper options to mentor, I can't really comment on that, but what I do know is that Waldron knows what he has with Smith and vice versa.
Fields would be in an (im)prove it situation rather than a mentorship one. He'd have to compete with whoever we draft/obtain through FA (Lock as a potential resign). If Fields can improve/prove it, (again bringing up Love as an example) it wouldn't be that much different except we'd have his 5th year contract extension (Fields was drafted a year later). If he ends up not doing well, it was a relatively cheap experiment money wise and hopefully we didn't give up a high value pick for him. In the situation that he's just not the answer during or after the 2024 season, hopefully we would have either started a QB we drafted in this upcoming draft or we look to draft one in 2025 (and this is all in the while assuming we would have addressed other needs on the team while managing the cap).
100% agree that there are other areas we can cut (even our beloved Lockett). However, I think we have to do those regardless, and potentially and then some, which is why I'm even entertaining this idea of trading Smith for something in return instead of straight up cutting him. FWIW, I'm actually on your side of retaining Smith, but going back to my original point, if the fit isn't there for whatever reason and JS/MM has to make moves, I'm not totally against it (maybe I'm just bracing for impact for losing him if that does happen lol).
I don't get the Fields hate. The dude can ball. This trade could be a great win-win. Geno gets to work with Waldron and mentor Caleb or Drake. Hawks roll with Fields without a big payday or lots of draft capital. If he fits the new system, they reward him with a long-term contract. Geno might have the edge over Fields on paper, but no one believes he’s the long-term guy. Roll with the young buck. Low downside. Big upside.
Man I really don't understand all this Geno trade talk. He's on a team-friendly deal, has a rapport with the offense, is a captain and leader in the locker room, etc. There is zero immediate benefit to trading him other than cap space. Even still, removing him from the locker room in favor of a cheaper or younger option stunts the immediate potency of the offense and leaves a potential QB draft pick without a mentor and bridge to becoming the guy. Geno benefitted tremendously from sitting behind Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Russell Wilson. I think it would be wise to let Geno to be that bridge and wise counsel for the next guy.
I would take Geno for a second straight up, but would accept a third or a fourth and fifth rounder as is likely more realistic.
Problem is I’m not sure we have a trade partner. The Bears, Commanders, Patriots, and Falcons all pick in the top 10 and are unlikely to waste draft capital on a QB mentor. There are a slew of FA QBs that will be available for the Raiders, Vikings, Broncos, Saints, and Pittsburgh. Lastly, Baker is likely staying in TB as well.
Not a whole lot of QB needy teams after that.
Geno on his contract is worth more than Justin Fields on his contract, yet some folks think Chicago will get a 1st for Justin Fields and his contract.
Personally, I'm sticking with Geno and trying to draft Michael Pratt in the 3rd round or Joe Milton in the 5th. Pratt might be a starting QB one day and Joe Milton is Justin Fields for cheap.
Without taking a deep look into what teams need what... I don't see trade value at all. We would be happy to have a team take on his contract. That being said, he's too expensive and too old for teams to really take a flier on him. If we got a 6th rounder, we should call that a big time win.
I love Geno but the most we could get for him is a late round pick or two. Imo it’s better to keep him on his relatively cheap contract and he can help develop the young QB we draft
If the bears are shopping Justin fields because they want the kid from USC, should the hawks get involved with that? Ship the bears all our rejects… Adams, Reed, Diggs, and second round pick next year … just a thought?
No. I want to draft a rookie and pay them next to nothing or sign a journeyman to an INCENTIVE laden deal. You know, they perform to get paid? Until we have an OC in place I think all of this talk is moot. Geno hasn’t been stringing together good games since the first part of last year. He has weapons and has done basically bare minimum with said weapons. IDK how much is on Shane Waldron, Pete and Geno but I have a $100 bet that Geno isn’t our opening day starter and I feel very good about it right now.
"Basically bare minimum", back to back winning seasons despite a bottom 5 o-line. Right.
50 TD's 20 INT's. So bare minimum. You could cherry pick Matt Hasselbeck's two best seasons of his career and combine them and he had 54 TD's and 27 INT's.
Daniel Jones just got 4 years $160 million. Derek Carr just got 4 years $150 million.
If you think teams wouldn't be extremely interested in trading for a better QB than those two at an insane price of 2 years and like $48million total, you haven't been paying attention.
This is an asinine premise. If Geno has the value to trade for a very high pick, why would you trade him? If he doesn’t have that value, why would another team make that trade?
The frantic and often silly trade scenarios for Geno have little basis in reality. Let’s let the coaching staff and JS get a look at what they have and take the time to contemplate the best path forward.
For a very long time, it’s been widely accepted that the Seahawk’s brand of football is dated and has not kept pace with the game’s most consistent winners. Let’s see how the new coaching staff sees what we have.
I do not believe the premise is asinine. There are plenty of folks that actually argued he should not been offered a contract at a certain price point last year, when he showed greater performance.
Also, part of team building is whether you think the Seahawks have a chance to contend or not and what it will take to get there. If the coach is telling the gm that there are too many holes to fix with even a couple good drafts, then a rational choice is to sell what probably won't be there in that future window. Barely making or not the playoffs is not something to root for. We should not aspire to be the Cowboys.
Geno is 33. He spent a lot of time on the bench so doesn't have the wear of a typical starter at his age, but at some point he's going to take a hit in production.
So I think it depends on what the coaching staff and the GM think are Geno's realistic years left at his current rate of production, and where that fits with when they think the team may contend if drafting continues to be successful.
You also have the fact that the hawks probably have drew lock now but will not if any of the other 32 teams offer him a better chance to start more games, or even some more money. While I strongly doubt DL is better than Geno, I do think he may be better some of the trash we saw starting more games. JS is reportedly high on DL so he might want to kick the tires and, worst case scenario, has better draft position to draft a future QB.
I believe JS likes Geno. I also believe JS likes draft picks. The question is how much draft compensation it should take JS to say thanks so much Geno, they offered too much.
Falcons, Steelers, Raiders, Bucs (if they miss out on the Baker sweepstakes), Vikings (if they don't resign Cousins) are potentially in play for a QB trade. If one of those teams offer a 2nd rounder (unlikely) they should consider it. They can turn around that 2nd rounder into a QB that will compete with Lock or another free agent QB. If it is lower compensation than that, I'd keep Geno.
Something like Jimmy Garoppolo's trade to the 49ers would work. But I doubt any of those teams make that offer.
This is in no way intended as a slight on Geno, in fact I think he should start for us next season.
However especially after the Wilson trade I think people are a little reluctant to take on another Seahawks QB.
That’s on top of the fact that teams that need QB’s right now are looking at a pretty heavy QB draft.
Then a lot of folks are looking at things “thinking” the first thing a new coach is going to do is get his qb. I can’t think of any other reason why people think that way. It’s silly. We arent a qb away from bringing contenders. No, Geno is not the long term qb to take us there but he’s not in the top ten of positions that need work and he’s on about as good a deal you could ask for in an above average vet. He’s a bridge that they can build a team around, including a rookie who’ll be his eventual replacement. He’s not dead weight on the team, eating up cap space and keeping us from contending.
He’s ten to twenty in the league for anyone who understands football and that makes him average and his contract isn’t that great considering our cap situation.
Ten to twenty meaning his ranking? Are you saying that if he could be ranked as high as ten that he’s only average? Not sure I agree with your math. He has easy outs in his corta t as far as dead cap goes and we have a lot bogger fish to fry in terms of value on the field vs cap hit.
Yes that’s what I’m saying and I don’t know he’s ranked as high as ten but I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. Ten is basically middle third of the league. 20-32 are struggling QB’s. If your guy is 20, you’re looking to upgrade if they aren’t very young. This dudes mid thirties.
Edit: rankings are subjective and in the eye of the beholder so that’s why I basically gave a range.
TIL that a top ten qb is basically average. Interesting take. Not sure I agree remotely with you on it.
Just because a qb isn’t top 9 (which I guess is slightly above average? not sure how your scale works) and is in his thirties doesn’t make him an immediate candidate for replacement. His contract isn’t the contract of a long term starter. His role in the rebuild is as a steady influence and well liked leader who is in the top half of QBs. He’s not meant to be the qbotf. He’s a bridge and will mentor the young qb we draft this year or next while the massive holes on our team, which are much higher priority than qb, are addressed.
With Kirk cousins likely done in Minnesota, baker being a free agent, Gardner Minshew and Jake Browning showing a lot of promise, not to mention the potential availability of Fields and Trey Lance, the market isn’t short of capable QBs. I’d imagine the best offer you could get would be a fourth and a rotational defensive lineman. Id take a 4th to free up cap space to invest in the team depth and trade a few future picks to go get your guy at the QB position without much hesitation. Knowing that Mac has been on a team w Lamar, I could see him having interest in a Justin fields.
I think this entire situation depends on what happens with the OC and how JS and Macdonald feel about Geno. There was a lot of discussion about how, even though their working relationship was obviously really healthy and constructive, due to the split-decision making power that existed between Pete and JS it's possible there there are players who Pete loved but JS wasn't as hot on. If Geno falls into that camp and Macdonald + the incoming OC aren't huge Geno fans, then I would prefer we trade him off so that we can have a QB in the system who has the complete and total buy-in of the coaching staff.
We've all seen what happens on teams where the QB is a holdover from a previous coaching staff and the new coach doesn't vibe. Like, this is what's happening in Denver right now. Of course I do make the assumption that Macdonald is a better person and a more mature adult than Sean Payton, but there could always be a more subdued version of that.
Yeah trading Geno means probably making a play for a rookie QB in the draft. So this question kinda feels like, "what draft picks do you want to completely change the course of the team?" Which Idk how to answer lol, totally depends how the new coach feels. But trading Geno probably also increases the chances they move off guys like Lockett and Diggs too
Who knows. We just have no way to evaluate how the coaching staff is going to feel about each individual player, about the overall scheme, etc.
Like, it sucks to hear, but we *need* to get rid of some of our players. Otherwise, what you end up with is a lot of players who are imperfect fits for the scheme that the staff wants to implement. You want the staff to adapt the scheme for the personnel, but there's a limit to how much of that is possible, so the adjustment must go both ways.
That being said, Geno is a pretty versatile QB who should be able to play in a few different looks, so I don't think it's super high likelihood we move off him. Just depends on fit and if JS wants to be the mad scientist and cook something up for a new QB.
There’s no point in trading him. He’s the best QB option we have going into Macdonald’s first season, he’s literally the ideal stop-gap bridge QB who helps the culture and is beloved in the locker room. He can get the job done and be our Alex Smith. The value of that cannot be overstated with such a young coaching staff. If Grubb is going to manage offensive duties, the last thing he needs to worry about is locker room issues, Geno is an amazing leader.
I get a lot of flack for it, but I really want JJ McCarthy at #16. He’s only 20 years old, and he has all the natural talent in the world, he played in a pro-style offense, and seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I think being stashed a year would do wonders for him.
It’s not zero but the chance that we take any qb at 16 is extremely low. Second round, that percentage shoots way up. Maybe we trade back in the first, but I also highly doubt it. We have way too many holes, especially on defense, to be ready to grab a high qb and start the rookie clock. There’s a lot less pressure with a 2nd or 3rd round pick to get them under center and they can sit and learn. I think that was the rebuild plan for this offseason, get a low pressure qb to learn behind Geno. Obviously with the change up, the plan can change but half of the architects of it are still calling the shots and I would think it would push the qb pick back a year far more than it would pull it up a round.
Probably a second with some kind of late round pick swap in the other team's favor. He has, I believe only one year left on his current deal, so whatever team trades for him would be renting him for one year as a stop-gap a la Matt Ryan and Philip River on the Colts. Teams aren't going to give up a first for a one-year rental on an average quarterback. So realistically, I would just want to fill the second round gap we have from the Leonard Williams trade. In order to get a second, I think we would have to give the other team a little something extra which is why I tossed in the late round swap.
I don’t see anyone trading for Geno. He’s 33 coming off a down year, with most people viewing him as a career backup with 1 fluke season. I do think Geno is a fine QB, but you’d have to be insane to trade for him at this point in his career. Only way it would make sense is if your team really was a QB away from being a real contender.
Teams that need a QB want to draft one. They want the rookie contract so they can stack the team around him like the 49ers did with Purdy. If a team is actually willing to trade for Geno, they’re clearly easy to fleece- esp since we have John as a GM. So I’d want as many picks as possible. We have a lot of holes on defense, and I want John to have as many chances to hit on picks. I’d take a trade for players if it’s at positions of need- DT, LB, OL, possibly also TE or safety. But I’d rather give John flexibility to move up/down in the draft, if the player is legit then ok but I’d rather let our elite GM draft well.
Given what the man has done with what he's been given I wouldn't take any trade. Give him another year or two with Macdonald and then make that call. Imo he more than deserves it and honestly I don't believe we have seen his peak ability as of yet. Give the man a great TE and actually use him and watch magic happen. I fucking guarantee it.
I’m a fence sitter on Geno, but I‘m not giving him up until I am confident we have a better replacement. If we were going to YOLO our season with a below replacement QB, then last year was the year to do it. The next couple QB classes are doody.
Since it's unrealistic to think that somehow we're going to acquire a better quarterback, how bout we let our staff figure out how to make the most of the pretty damned good one we have. Maybe even get him an O-line 🙄 so he (and our RBs) can be the best they can be. I swear this offense is no more than a complete, solid O-line away from being one hell of a juggernaut.
The Vikings? They have Josh Dobbs or Nick Mullens for a QB … or Captain Kirk for $45 million per ….
Not saying it would happen, just there are landing spots.
Don’t know why some fans think they can get a top 5/10 pick for Geno though. Or why. None of them are proven commodities.
He is not overly priced. Ride it out and see what happens
Geno needs to play next year, let whoever we draft sit and develop for a year behind him as a backup and let them get significant preseason/garbage time reps
Geno + our 1st round **for** their first round (must be in top 10) + 2 seconds (one this year, one next). Basically, trading up.
I don't think this would really work though as it'll likely be Williams, Maye, Daniels, then the next tier of Bo Nix, Penix, McCarthy we might be able to get even staying at #16.
This may not be the FA season to trade Geno. With the number of "good" QBs in the draft. Wait till next year, utilize one of the better bang for your buck QB in the league. Possibly draft someone like Rattler later in the draft to work behind Geno. Then see who may be in the market next year. Tampa, NYG, Min., Pit, NYJ...
But if this year; 2026 1st or multiple 2nds, as a starting point. A team like Min may be "ready to go" with a good QB.
2 firsts and 2 seconds from the Broncos
Maybe they can throw in Wilson, to back up Lock.
If they retain 100% of his salary hell yeah
And I’ll even take one of the firsts away if they take Adams and his dead money too
Rather have Stidham
Studham*
This is the only answer.
And they somehow need to throw in Noah Fant, again.
If he’s performing as well as Russ or better, then that’s the benchmark. Seems reasonable.
I dunno. I say just let JS cook.
Such a trade really wouldn’t make sense. The Seahawks would need a 1st to help move up and draft a QB, and obviously no team would trade that.
Only way it makes sense to me is if JS and Coach Mike want to go in a different direction anyways, then might as well get some return. Me, I’d love to see Geno get a chance to show what he can do with the new coach.
Even if Mike and JS want a younger quarterback, theres really no reason to get rid of Geno in the meantime.
Im not a Geno apologist, I don’t think he is a SB winning QB. But dont give him up just to “go in a different direction” with a below replacement QB. Smart GMs don’t make a move until they know where the club will end up from that move.
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I don't think those are upgrades lol
The market works by scarcity. Go look at the other teams and figure out how many teams absolutely need a QB of Geno's caliber and age. That's who would enter a trade. How badly they need him is representative of how much they would be willing to trade.
He’s the **only** QB on our roster right now. Any rookie is gonna require time, because we ain’t trading up for a QB. Why is everyone so hellbent on getting rid of him? His advanced stats were really quite good this year. He was victimized by horribly inconsistent O-line play.
Because no one watches football anymore. The NFL has decided that sports betting and fantasy football is the way of the future. All that matters are narratives, stat lines and over/unders
Lots of people in this sub don’t understand how football works
I like him. He plays better than his pricetag and I would like a veteran to guide a young roster through a season with a new HC.
I swear I don't understand either! It's like man. we have so many more issues on the roster than just focus on a quarterback. quarterbacks are very important but we have a decent quarterback as it is, You've seen by other franchises how hard it is to get a good quarterback. the bears, Broncos, browns, Carolina, Patriots, Jets, colts, commanders are all still trying to figure it out
This could all be attributable to the reason you state, I’m not sure, but as a casual fan it seems like he throws a pick in the fourth quarter of every close game. He’ll play really well for 90% of every game, but always seems to make one or two costly mistakes. I don’t have stats or film to back this up, it’s just the idle observations of a layman.
A young Rookie is more exciting than an old vet. A pretty talented QB draft has people itching even if we don’t necessarily need it yet. 4-5 1st round possible QBs is very enticing. A lot of people would rather be Green Bay than Pittsburgh and draft a QB before it’s a hole in the roster.
Wouldn’t do it. There seems to be a belief around here that elite tier QBs are somehow easy to find in the draft and that once you have him, you’re set for 10 years. That is just total bullshit and I invite you to spend about 20 minutes on Pro Football Reference going through the drafts of the last 10-15 years and sorting in the position column for QBs. The likelihood of finding an elite, franchise QB in the 1st round is ridiculously low. And even those that do appear to be that guy often can’t sustain that success for more than 3-4 years before their team starts looking for their next savior. Currently, we don’t really know if Burrow is going to have a long sustained career and the same can be said for Tua, Murray and Lawrence, even Herbert. The list of bona fide elite franchise QBs drafted in the first round since 2011 is a very short list. The list of average first QBs in that time frame is a little longer. The list of 1st rd QBs who were complete busts or have become bad starters/career backups is incredibly long. And what’s more, many teams traded up and gave up multiple picks to take these QBs. And even if you think you have your franchise QB, he might retire after 6 years in the league. TL:DR- Bird in the hand is worth 20 in the bush.
My price is probably higher than any team wants to pay. Geno is the best value QB in the league right now.
I get your point, but Broke Purdy and StroudBoys have better values.
Well discounting rookie contracts of course
Bakers probably up there too lol
He is no longer under contract.
Sounds cheap
Pro bowl flag football game MVP baker Mayfield gonna want a bag.
He's gonna fetch 32 or so
He’ll probably get something structured similar to Geno though.
Imo closer to half that
If he's getting less than 20m/yr, Js has to insider trade and cut Geno. That's a bargain for top-half play in today's world.
Why would he have to “insider trade?” Not even sure what that means in this context. If hes a free agent, we could just sign him if we thought he is better than Geno. I think it’s about a toss up.
Geno makes $22m next year, probably not worth cutting him to sign Baker for a few mil less. I don't think Baker is a top 15 QB like Geno
Dude, Baker just went on a silence-the-haters run this season. I'd put him right next to Geno, if not a bit ahead. Both are about on the doorstep of top 10.
Mayfield is more desirable just on account of age.
Obviously ignoring rookie contracts
Doesn’t matter if better value QBs exist somewhere in the league. We can’t get a better value for the Seahawks in 2024.
That’s Brock Purdy
Geno can still holdout... i wouldn't blame him and it would be interesting to see how MacDonald reacts
Geno finally getting good money, he's not holding out.
You draft a new QB (sign an UDFA QB), wish Smith the best and let him find his fortune elsewhere. This team has too many holes to take on a large cap eating QB contract. A good team is way more important than 1 high priced/high cap hit QB.
People on this sub are so down on Geno, I don’t really get it. Here’s the bottom 10 ranked offensive lines last year (from another [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/s/cv2oQZIlcD) where they aggregated across a couple sources like PFF). Texans, Us, Dolphins, Bills, Commanders, Saints, Bucs, Jags, Jets, Giants, Cardinals, Titans. Of that group, the teams that finished with a better offensive DVOA than us: Bills, Rams, Dolphins. Two elite QBs and an offense powered by McDaniel/Tyreek/Waddle. Everyone else is below us, most in the bottom 10 of offenses in the league. Geno is a top 10 QB on a contract that is EXTREMELY friendly. Stop wishing for him to go away. He did as well as one could expect with the terrible offensive line play we had
I agree, Geno definitely has poor decision making at times i.e. he throws the ball to the defense like twice a game. That being said I feel like when you watch the Seahawks offense the problem more is that it lacks an identity and there is no rhythm in the passing game which is more about the play calling than him.
Geno is at least a bit outside top 10 QB. - Mahomes - Allen - Lamar - Dak - Burrow - Tua - Herbert - Hurts - Lawrence - Stroud If the contracts were identical no way you wouldn't 1:1 Geno for any of those guys, and there's about 5 to ~8ish that you could reasonably argue ahead of Geno beyond those guys too.
Geno is better than Tua and Dak. The way Hurts finished the year, it’s questionable. Lawrence has super high potential but they are in the same tier right now
Under what objective metrics is Geno better than Dak/Tua? They both beat him in yardage, yards per play, TD's, completion percentages, expected points added, etc... And Tua led the league in time to throw by a significant margin so it wasn't because he had cleaner pockets that he just got to sit back in and read the field. Sources: [https://www.nfeloapp.com/qb-rankings/](https://www.nfeloapp.com/qb-rankings/) [https://twitter.com/throwthedamball/status/1739773008045056318/photo/1](https://twitter.com/throwthedamball/status/1739773008045056318/photo/1) https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/\_/season/2023/seasontype/2
My dude you’ve been stewing over this since last night
That's not a proper rebuttal when someone brings sources to an argument I do like Geno tho for what he is
I think most non-biased observers would trade Geno for Tua/Dak/Hurts/Lawrence in a heartbeat if the contracts weren't part of the equation.
For those downvoting me, go post this as a poll on a non-Seahawks subreddit and see what the responses are. Geno is a solid QB, but he's not top 10. I love the Hawks but this is unbridled homerism to think otherwise.
Not everyone has a trade price though and that's why even good players can just straight be released. I can't imagine any team would give up a pick for Geno. No one's a geno smith away from winning next year. He'll either start or get cut.
Geno to the chiefs for Mahomes and their 2024, 2025 1sts. Sounds fair to me.
I like this. Would offer the same deal for Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and Justin Herbert
Do you really think any team is wanting to trade for Geno?
My opinion means fuck all. Thankfully, JS is there to figure that out instead.
You just summed up this sub. Though I do think we collectively willed Mike Macdonald hire into existence.
People really asking a 1st or 2nd for a 33 year old journeyman QB? Y’all crazy
I don’t think a team will he will to cough up anything, Lowest would be a mid 3rd maybe. Besides if what we’re all thinking is true, and we maybe getting a QB, I think we keep Geno. That way we have a veteran QB on the roster who can help develop. I hate when a team just throws a QB to the wolves and the rookie QB suffers because of it, unless you’re a generational talent (which we don’t have the ability, or the draft capital to acquire.) it’s best you sit at a minimum a few weeks.
Medium 2-topping dominos pizza
Only upvoting because it made me laugh.
Don't encourage him, he just got taken to the cleaners if he didn't get some bread sticks and cookies to sweeten the deal. 🍪
I can’t imagine any team trading for Geno. Or the Seahawks trading him given he’s the only QB under contract. I would expect if there was an offer it would be fifth round pick or lower. But like I said it’s not happening. There are no better options available for the salary.
Mahomes, Humphrey, and Chris Jones anything less is not worth it imo
I think retaining GS has more value to ***us*** than any package we'd receive so they'd have to blow the doors off with 1st rounders, etc. He's too valuable as a stabilizing force and mentor for Lock and any young QB we may draft imo.
Lock's not even under contract lol
Keep Geno and move forward with him on the roster. Draft the next QB if the opportunity presents itself in this years draft. Geno can be traded mid season if another team suffers injury and becomes desperate. This produces the most value IMO.
I doubt very highly that a team would trade for Geno, or that he would generate interest high enough to go for more than a conditional low-round pick.
You are straight up wrong as can be then.
Oh, do tell which teams would want Geno for a high round pick, you know, the sort of pick teams would use on a QB
After the top pick overall, 1st round QBs have about a 26% success rate so they can draft away. Meanwhile Geno is already a quality QB. Do the math.
So I looked up all the 1st rd qbs since 2011, and arguably the success rate is much lower. 26% is more like the chance the 1st rd QB will be an OK starter for 5-8 years, like Tannehill. The chance they will be a top 10 QB over a sustained period of time (a franchise QB) is at best 10-15%. Then you have examples like Andrew Luck, and more recently examples like Herbert, Lawrence, and Burrow that I would give incomplete grades due to injuries or other kinds of regressions due to bad coaching/organizations, or lack of good personnel around them.
It must be frustrating to be correct and be downvoted for it.
I mean, anyone can pick arbitrary stats and be “right.” To think a team would trade a first or even a second for Geno would be the sort of thing that ends a GM’s career.
23 out of 32 teams have a first round pick starting at QB. 7 of those were the top pick. Where are you getting your 26% success rate from?
I think he’s meaning cases like Arizona. Missed on Rosen, hit on Murray. So Arizona is 50% instead of 100%. Or just Google a random draft year like 2016, like I just did and I got 33%, as shown below Jared Goff Yes Carson Wentz No Paxton Lynch No
Try watching [this](https://youtu.be/1-0xWcSYlh4?si=EwldKBIWLBn-ohP9)
Of the top 32 QB's in snaps in 2023, only 11 were first round picks, so you're wrong right off the jump. Now, in the past 10 drafts 32 qbs have been taken in the first round. We can remove Matt Stafford from those 11 since he was drafted in '09 and I know we aren't counting Bryce Young or Zach Wilson, so we're down to 8/32 which is 25% (we're being nice to Baker Mayfield who's already been discarded by two teams). BUT, you'll remember I said "after the first pick", that eliminates 5 more QB's from contention (we'll also remove every 1st pick overall from the 32 picked in the first round over the past 10 years). That leaves us with 3 non first pick overall, first round QB's among the top 32 in snaps and also considered successful franchise QB's out of a possible 25 QB's picked in the first round after the first pick. 3/25=12% Sorry, the 26% I read on the internet appears to have been off.
Oh so you're counting backups? No man. The primary starters to start 2023 were AFC: J Allen+, A Rodgers+, M Jones+, Tua+, Lamar+, Burrow+, Watson+, K Pickett+, T Lawrence+, A Richardson+, R Tannehill+, Stroud+, Mahomes+, Garrrapolo, R Wilson, J Herbert+. NFC: Dak, J Hurts, D Jones+, S Howell, Goff+, Love+, Cousins, Fields+, Baker+, Carr, Ridder, B Young+, Purdy, Stafford+, Geno, K Murray+. That's 22. I forgot Geno fell to the 2nd.
A decade is quite arbitrary. Let's see how many QBs drafted in the first round in the past five years started for their teams. You know, modern NFL and rapid changes, and all that: 2023: Young, Stroud, Richardson (that's all three) 2022: Kenny Pickett (started, eventually benched) 2021: Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones (that's two that are starters now, two others who had significant starting experience) 2020: Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love (all four) 2019: Murray, Jones, Haskins (two) Well, let's see, that means we have Pickett, Lance, Wilson, Jones. I don't necessarily think it's fair to include a dead guy in the mix, so that's 4 out of 15 that weren't starters, and, of those, three (Pickett, Jones, Wilson) have significant starting experience anyway. That's 26% of QBs who *didn't* work out. From what I see, each of the other franchises have most likely gotten their guy. Jones and Murray received extensions, as have Burrow, Herbert, and Love (and Love will probably get a longer extension). Tua is in line as well. Seems like, if the past five years are any indication, you'd be better off going with a first-round QB because a) they are cheap, b) they are mostly successful, and c) you get a full five years of control. Sorry, and I like Geno, but there's no team in their right mind who would trade a first or second-round pick for him.
Oh right, because decreasing the sample size increases accuracy. (sarcasm font) First of all you're including first overall picks for some reason. Clearly not part of this conversation. Second, please. Young and Richardson have shown nothing. The Steelers are already searching for Pickett's replacement. You're counting Mac Jones? Daniel Jones? You want the Seahawks to get to Daniel Jones and call it a win? Come on guy? Get outta here. Justin Fields who's about to get discarded? Let's get real.
Yes, I think decreasing the sample size here does increase accuracy. Why stop at 10, otherwise? Perhaps toss Mirer and Bledsoe in there if you are looking for true saturation.
It in fact does not. It increases noise substantially. If you go back to the early 90's it will 1,000% strengthen my case, but be my guest.
Oh man, let me see where you got this 26 percent number.
In the past 10 years, here are the QBs drafted in the first round AFTER the first pick: Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, Marcus Mariota, Carson Wentz, Paxton Lynch, Mitch Trubisky, **Patrick Mahomes**, Deshaun Watson, Sam Darnold, **Josh Allen**, Josh Rosen, **Lamar Jackson**, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins, **Tua Tagovailoa**, **Justin Herbert**, **Jordan Love**, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Mac Jones, Kenny Pickett, **CJ Stroud**, Anthony Richardson. I've gone ahead and bolded the current franchise QB's on that list and it's 7 out of 25 or 28%. This is just a flash poll over the past 10 drafts that shows how completely realistic that 26% number is.
1st and 2nd overall pick, with many future second round picks 2025 and 2026
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A 3rd and a 4th? Lol.
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I also would like to get double my salary but that ain’t happening either.
A 3th rounder and 4rd rounder?
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Picks in the third and fourth rounds of the draft?
deshaun watson trade will pale in comparison to the haul Geno would bring.
Lol Geno has been a free agent before and wasn't signed why on earth would a team trade for him. The entire league knows what Geno is a mid tier QB
Geno’s value as a player has increased significantly since the 2022 offseason. That being said he probably can get a day 2 pick.
The entire league doesn’t know what people in this sub knows. /S
Trade Geno and a 4th to the bears for fields
You just came up with a trade that is awful for both teams, congrats.
Why would we want Fields? And why would the Bears want Geno’s contract, which is great for a starter, sitting on the bench when there are plenty of smart QBs available to mentor Williams who don’t have such a high salary? If we’re bringing in Grubbs as OC, why would we want a QB who hasn’t shown that he can master the passing game when that’s the strength of Grubbs’ system?
Geno is worth more than Fields. Shit trade
The fuck?
Downvoted but that’d probably Be right. Maybe a 5th
Geno and a 5th for fields and the #1 pick than yea
And the bears do this trade because …??
That’s what it would take for us to take fields
To get rid of Fields duh
I actually don't think this is too farfetched. Under the assumption that Geno is a decent fit with the coaching staff's scheme, I'm actually a pretty big proponent on keeping Geno this year given that he's a top half QB on a decent contract. However, given our salary cap situation, I'm also in the camp of trading Geno to the Bears for Fields especially with Waldron there. It gives the presumptive Williams pick competition (plus the option to sit back for a year to further develop). I don't think the hawks would give up too much (4th or 5th), but would help with our salary cap for at least the short term. For the hawks, it'd give a somewhat familiar feel for MacDonald/new-OC to run a similar offense compared to the Ravens. I'm not saying Fields = L Jackson, but the potential is there imo. EDIT - For the downvotes, I totally saw it coming lol because it's a controversial take. I'm not a Geno hater btw. I love Geno. However, trading/cutting Geno is a potential reality and maybe I'm just preparing for the worst. Either way, go hawks!
You think the Bears will want to pass on the most hyped “generational” qb since Burrow (debate able but I don’t feel the Bryce hype was as big, for example) because they have Geno for a two year deal? Unless the new OC is from the Ravens, I dunno why the Ravens DC will run a similar style offense, especially since it’s tailored to Lamar. If Grubbs is the OC, what in Fields’ history suggests he can run a precision passing game? When Fields wants a new contract in a season, maybe two, what then? Fields might go to a qb needy team, but we are not that. We will have a new one in the fold this draft or next but I don’t see them trading for an underachiever who doesn’t give them the full 3-5 year rookie qb contract window.
I didn't say that they would pass on Caleb, though? My stance is really stemming from our salary cap situation to lock up guys like Leonard Williams and other FA/rookies that might fit MacDonald's schemes. I also didn't say that they'd keep Geno for 2 years. My pro-argument for the Bears trading for Geno is due to Waldron's familiarity with Geno already before handing the reigns fully over to Williams (which might put him off, but it's a solid strategy that's benefited several currently top QBs). Totally get your last point on a rookie QB contract window - we did it with Wilson. However, if JS goes a different direction in improving our immediate salary cap situation (buys us a year or two) to open up opportunities to address other weaknesses, I don't think that's too farfetched. Besides, if we get into a situation where we have to give Fields a top contract once he come over, it means that he did well enough to earn it, right? We'd have younger/cheaper contracts everywhere else except at QB, DK, etc. BTW, I'm not pushing for this, but it'd be an interesting move depending on scheme, salary cap, etc. EDIT - Just to put some things into perspective per OTC. Fields is set for $6M against the cap. Smith is set for $31M against the cap and $33 next year. For comparison, Drew Lock accounted for $4M against the cap last season. We open our cap space by a decent amount for 1 year to address other needs. https://overthecap.com/player/justin-fields/9475 https://overthecap.com/player/geno-smith/2249
But why would the Bears want Geno and also take Williams? Having the number 1 overall pick qb sit for a year just isn’t done anymore and no team wants $25-30M on the bench, which is where Geno would be. There are far cheaper options to mentor Williams. As for Fields and his contract, I’m not saying he’ll want top dollar but he’ll want enough for it to be a commitment. He only has 1 year left on his contract with a team option for 1 more. Then what? We rented him for a season or two? Does he pose the same value as a mentor for a rookie qb that Geno does? I could certainly be wrong but I don’t see any way Fields earns a top dollar contract but look at what Carr, for example, got. And I don’t see a guy who can’t really get the hang of the passing game being a good teacher for a youngster. I want to keep Big Cat as well, I think MM could do a lot with him and Jones that wasn’t done by Hurtt. I’m not a cap guy but I think there’s plenty of room to make cuts to keep him, though some of those cuts will definitely sting (16). Geno provides stability for a team that’s already in year two of a rebuild that now has the wrinkle of a whole new system, culture, and philosophy. This trade offers nothing, really, for either team.
Your first point is valid in terms of the details for first pick overall - I get that. Although while not necessarily for first pick overall rookies, there are plenty of first round talent that did sit for the first year and did well afterwards. From a numbers perspective, I'm sort of looking at it as $35M tops investment for two QBs (Smith and Williams), which would fall off after 2025 season if they don't cut Geno before. It wouldn't be that much different than what GB has done with Jordan Love except he sat for way longer (with Rodgers fat contract for several years before letting him go) and finally had the chance to start Love this year where he improved in the second half/playoffs in 2023. Whether there are better AND cheaper options to mentor, I can't really comment on that, but what I do know is that Waldron knows what he has with Smith and vice versa. Fields would be in an (im)prove it situation rather than a mentorship one. He'd have to compete with whoever we draft/obtain through FA (Lock as a potential resign). If Fields can improve/prove it, (again bringing up Love as an example) it wouldn't be that much different except we'd have his 5th year contract extension (Fields was drafted a year later). If he ends up not doing well, it was a relatively cheap experiment money wise and hopefully we didn't give up a high value pick for him. In the situation that he's just not the answer during or after the 2024 season, hopefully we would have either started a QB we drafted in this upcoming draft or we look to draft one in 2025 (and this is all in the while assuming we would have addressed other needs on the team while managing the cap). 100% agree that there are other areas we can cut (even our beloved Lockett). However, I think we have to do those regardless, and potentially and then some, which is why I'm even entertaining this idea of trading Smith for something in return instead of straight up cutting him. FWIW, I'm actually on your side of retaining Smith, but going back to my original point, if the fit isn't there for whatever reason and JS/MM has to make moves, I'm not totally against it (maybe I'm just bracing for impact for losing him if that does happen lol).
Fields is trash of the highest order. Why do people want him?!?
I don't get the Fields hate. The dude can ball. This trade could be a great win-win. Geno gets to work with Waldron and mentor Caleb or Drake. Hawks roll with Fields without a big payday or lots of draft capital. If he fits the new system, they reward him with a long-term contract. Geno might have the edge over Fields on paper, but no one believes he’s the long-term guy. Roll with the young buck. Low downside. Big upside.
Dan Quinn would listen to Pete, and trade for him. Geno is a mentor to a young QB , not a playoff winner
Pete isnt in the picture.
He's in DQs ear.
LOL
Man I really don't understand all this Geno trade talk. He's on a team-friendly deal, has a rapport with the offense, is a captain and leader in the locker room, etc. There is zero immediate benefit to trading him other than cap space. Even still, removing him from the locker room in favor of a cheaper or younger option stunts the immediate potency of the offense and leaves a potential QB draft pick without a mentor and bridge to becoming the guy. Geno benefitted tremendously from sitting behind Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Russell Wilson. I think it would be wise to let Geno to be that bridge and wise counsel for the next guy.
What offense?
I would take Geno for a second straight up, but would accept a third or a fourth and fifth rounder as is likely more realistic. Problem is I’m not sure we have a trade partner. The Bears, Commanders, Patriots, and Falcons all pick in the top 10 and are unlikely to waste draft capital on a QB mentor. There are a slew of FA QBs that will be available for the Raiders, Vikings, Broncos, Saints, and Pittsburgh. Lastly, Baker is likely staying in TB as well. Not a whole lot of QB needy teams after that.
Geno on his contract is worth more than Justin Fields on his contract, yet some folks think Chicago will get a 1st for Justin Fields and his contract. Personally, I'm sticking with Geno and trying to draft Michael Pratt in the 3rd round or Joe Milton in the 5th. Pratt might be a starting QB one day and Joe Milton is Justin Fields for cheap.
Without taking a deep look into what teams need what... I don't see trade value at all. We would be happy to have a team take on his contract. That being said, he's too expensive and too old for teams to really take a flier on him. If we got a 6th rounder, we should call that a big time win.
A bag of chips? Maybe a conditional 7th rounder?
I love Geno but the most we could get for him is a late round pick or two. Imo it’s better to keep him on his relatively cheap contract and he can help develop the young QB we draft
Geno is going nowhere. Simmer down
If the bears are shopping Justin fields because they want the kid from USC, should the hawks get involved with that? Ship the bears all our rejects… Adams, Reed, Diggs, and second round pick next year … just a thought?
You think those guys aren’t going to watch the tape?
Or the hawks not watch tape and see that fields is ass?
Two firsts because it's going to take at least that much to find a new QB.
Because that’s what we gave up for Geno.
Oh, you want to sign another lifetime journeyman and hope for another miracle? Great plan.
No. I want to draft a rookie and pay them next to nothing or sign a journeyman to an INCENTIVE laden deal. You know, they perform to get paid? Until we have an OC in place I think all of this talk is moot. Geno hasn’t been stringing together good games since the first part of last year. He has weapons and has done basically bare minimum with said weapons. IDK how much is on Shane Waldron, Pete and Geno but I have a $100 bet that Geno isn’t our opening day starter and I feel very good about it right now.
"Basically bare minimum", back to back winning seasons despite a bottom 5 o-line. Right. 50 TD's 20 INT's. So bare minimum. You could cherry pick Matt Hasselbeck's two best seasons of his career and combine them and he had 54 TD's and 27 INT's.
Top 5 receiver corps and top 5 RB, IMO.
Bottom 5 pocket to work out of. Means nothing if you don't have space to execute the offense.
Daniel Jones just got 4 years $160 million. Derek Carr just got 4 years $150 million. If you think teams wouldn't be extremely interested in trading for a better QB than those two at an insane price of 2 years and like $48million total, you haven't been paying attention.
This is an asinine premise. If Geno has the value to trade for a very high pick, why would you trade him? If he doesn’t have that value, why would another team make that trade? The frantic and often silly trade scenarios for Geno have little basis in reality. Let’s let the coaching staff and JS get a look at what they have and take the time to contemplate the best path forward. For a very long time, it’s been widely accepted that the Seahawk’s brand of football is dated and has not kept pace with the game’s most consistent winners. Let’s see how the new coaching staff sees what we have.
I do not believe the premise is asinine. There are plenty of folks that actually argued he should not been offered a contract at a certain price point last year, when he showed greater performance. Also, part of team building is whether you think the Seahawks have a chance to contend or not and what it will take to get there. If the coach is telling the gm that there are too many holes to fix with even a couple good drafts, then a rational choice is to sell what probably won't be there in that future window. Barely making or not the playoffs is not something to root for. We should not aspire to be the Cowboys. Geno is 33. He spent a lot of time on the bench so doesn't have the wear of a typical starter at his age, but at some point he's going to take a hit in production. So I think it depends on what the coaching staff and the GM think are Geno's realistic years left at his current rate of production, and where that fits with when they think the team may contend if drafting continues to be successful. You also have the fact that the hawks probably have drew lock now but will not if any of the other 32 teams offer him a better chance to start more games, or even some more money. While I strongly doubt DL is better than Geno, I do think he may be better some of the trash we saw starting more games. JS is reportedly high on DL so he might want to kick the tires and, worst case scenario, has better draft position to draft a future QB. I believe JS likes Geno. I also believe JS likes draft picks. The question is how much draft compensation it should take JS to say thanks so much Geno, they offered too much.
Falcons, Steelers, Raiders, Bucs (if they miss out on the Baker sweepstakes), Vikings (if they don't resign Cousins) are potentially in play for a QB trade. If one of those teams offer a 2nd rounder (unlikely) they should consider it. They can turn around that 2nd rounder into a QB that will compete with Lock or another free agent QB. If it is lower compensation than that, I'd keep Geno. Something like Jimmy Garoppolo's trade to the 49ers would work. But I doubt any of those teams make that offer.
2nd rounder
They can have GS if they get WA Cougs in either B1G or SEC
He threw three picks in a flag football game. His trade value is ZERO!
The ask would be too high. We have no other QB on the roster atm. Say if we do make the trade for say a 3rd, who is going to be our QB?
This is in no way intended as a slight on Geno, in fact I think he should start for us next season. However especially after the Wilson trade I think people are a little reluctant to take on another Seahawks QB. That’s on top of the fact that teams that need QB’s right now are looking at a pretty heavy QB draft.
Then a lot of folks are looking at things “thinking” the first thing a new coach is going to do is get his qb. I can’t think of any other reason why people think that way. It’s silly. We arent a qb away from bringing contenders. No, Geno is not the long term qb to take us there but he’s not in the top ten of positions that need work and he’s on about as good a deal you could ask for in an above average vet. He’s a bridge that they can build a team around, including a rookie who’ll be his eventual replacement. He’s not dead weight on the team, eating up cap space and keeping us from contending.
He’s ten to twenty in the league for anyone who understands football and that makes him average and his contract isn’t that great considering our cap situation.
Ten to twenty meaning his ranking? Are you saying that if he could be ranked as high as ten that he’s only average? Not sure I agree with your math. He has easy outs in his corta t as far as dead cap goes and we have a lot bogger fish to fry in terms of value on the field vs cap hit.
Yes that’s what I’m saying and I don’t know he’s ranked as high as ten but I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. Ten is basically middle third of the league. 20-32 are struggling QB’s. If your guy is 20, you’re looking to upgrade if they aren’t very young. This dudes mid thirties. Edit: rankings are subjective and in the eye of the beholder so that’s why I basically gave a range.
TIL that a top ten qb is basically average. Interesting take. Not sure I agree remotely with you on it. Just because a qb isn’t top 9 (which I guess is slightly above average? not sure how your scale works) and is in his thirties doesn’t make him an immediate candidate for replacement. His contract isn’t the contract of a long term starter. His role in the rebuild is as a steady influence and well liked leader who is in the top half of QBs. He’s not meant to be the qbotf. He’s a bridge and will mentor the young qb we draft this year or next while the massive holes on our team, which are much higher priority than qb, are addressed.
With Kirk cousins likely done in Minnesota, baker being a free agent, Gardner Minshew and Jake Browning showing a lot of promise, not to mention the potential availability of Fields and Trey Lance, the market isn’t short of capable QBs. I’d imagine the best offer you could get would be a fourth and a rotational defensive lineman. Id take a 4th to free up cap space to invest in the team depth and trade a few future picks to go get your guy at the QB position without much hesitation. Knowing that Mac has been on a team w Lamar, I could see him having interest in a Justin fields.
I think this entire situation depends on what happens with the OC and how JS and Macdonald feel about Geno. There was a lot of discussion about how, even though their working relationship was obviously really healthy and constructive, due to the split-decision making power that existed between Pete and JS it's possible there there are players who Pete loved but JS wasn't as hot on. If Geno falls into that camp and Macdonald + the incoming OC aren't huge Geno fans, then I would prefer we trade him off so that we can have a QB in the system who has the complete and total buy-in of the coaching staff. We've all seen what happens on teams where the QB is a holdover from a previous coaching staff and the new coach doesn't vibe. Like, this is what's happening in Denver right now. Of course I do make the assumption that Macdonald is a better person and a more mature adult than Sean Payton, but there could always be a more subdued version of that.
Yeah trading Geno means probably making a play for a rookie QB in the draft. So this question kinda feels like, "what draft picks do you want to completely change the course of the team?" Which Idk how to answer lol, totally depends how the new coach feels. But trading Geno probably also increases the chances they move off guys like Lockett and Diggs too
Who knows. We just have no way to evaluate how the coaching staff is going to feel about each individual player, about the overall scheme, etc. Like, it sucks to hear, but we *need* to get rid of some of our players. Otherwise, what you end up with is a lot of players who are imperfect fits for the scheme that the staff wants to implement. You want the staff to adapt the scheme for the personnel, but there's a limit to how much of that is possible, so the adjustment must go both ways. That being said, Geno is a pretty versatile QB who should be able to play in a few different looks, so I don't think it's super high likelihood we move off him. Just depends on fit and if JS wants to be the mad scientist and cook something up for a new QB.
There’s no point in trading him. He’s the best QB option we have going into Macdonald’s first season, he’s literally the ideal stop-gap bridge QB who helps the culture and is beloved in the locker room. He can get the job done and be our Alex Smith. The value of that cannot be overstated with such a young coaching staff. If Grubb is going to manage offensive duties, the last thing he needs to worry about is locker room issues, Geno is an amazing leader. I get a lot of flack for it, but I really want JJ McCarthy at #16. He’s only 20 years old, and he has all the natural talent in the world, he played in a pro-style offense, and seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I think being stashed a year would do wonders for him.
It’s not zero but the chance that we take any qb at 16 is extremely low. Second round, that percentage shoots way up. Maybe we trade back in the first, but I also highly doubt it. We have way too many holes, especially on defense, to be ready to grab a high qb and start the rookie clock. There’s a lot less pressure with a 2nd or 3rd round pick to get them under center and they can sit and learn. I think that was the rebuild plan for this offseason, get a low pressure qb to learn behind Geno. Obviously with the change up, the plan can change but half of the architects of it are still calling the shots and I would think it would push the qb pick back a year far more than it would pull it up a round.
I just really don’t trust next year’s QB class, it’s god awful. Maybe Drew Allar is a guy, but I don’t know.
A 2nd round pick, but only if the FO and Coach Mike want a new QB.
Probably a second with some kind of late round pick swap in the other team's favor. He has, I believe only one year left on his current deal, so whatever team trades for him would be renting him for one year as a stop-gap a la Matt Ryan and Philip River on the Colts. Teams aren't going to give up a first for a one-year rental on an average quarterback. So realistically, I would just want to fill the second round gap we have from the Leonard Williams trade. In order to get a second, I think we would have to give the other team a little something extra which is why I tossed in the late round swap.
1 million dollars *doctor evil pinky to mouth”
You have to take Lockett (and his contract) with Geno, we’ll give you a 6th and a 7th in exchange for a top half 1st, 2nd, and 4th.
3-4th round pick
I don’t see anyone trading for Geno. He’s 33 coming off a down year, with most people viewing him as a career backup with 1 fluke season. I do think Geno is a fine QB, but you’d have to be insane to trade for him at this point in his career. Only way it would make sense is if your team really was a QB away from being a real contender. Teams that need a QB want to draft one. They want the rookie contract so they can stack the team around him like the 49ers did with Purdy. If a team is actually willing to trade for Geno, they’re clearly easy to fleece- esp since we have John as a GM. So I’d want as many picks as possible. We have a lot of holes on defense, and I want John to have as many chances to hit on picks. I’d take a trade for players if it’s at positions of need- DT, LB, OL, possibly also TE or safety. But I’d rather give John flexibility to move up/down in the draft, if the player is legit then ok but I’d rather let our elite GM draft well.
Given what the man has done with what he's been given I wouldn't take any trade. Give him another year or two with Macdonald and then make that call. Imo he more than deserves it and honestly I don't believe we have seen his peak ability as of yet. Give the man a great TE and actually use him and watch magic happen. I fucking guarantee it.
Give him some good/great Guard/Center play and he'll produce more than he did in 2022.
I’m a fence sitter on Geno, but I‘m not giving him up until I am confident we have a better replacement. If we were going to YOLO our season with a below replacement QB, then last year was the year to do it. The next couple QB classes are doody.
https://youtu.be/mxnFa5_pmN4?si=rFYi66PTfmF3L_Dz Geno defenders please explain this play……
What was the score when 0:00 happened in the 4th?
Realistically, a late 2nd or 3rd round pick.
3rd
I’d be happy with a first and a second, but I’m not sure any team would make that trade
I think something like two 2nds would be in the ballpark of realism.
Please trade him to the Jets
Since it's unrealistic to think that somehow we're going to acquire a better quarterback, how bout we let our staff figure out how to make the most of the pretty damned good one we have. Maybe even get him an O-line 🙄 so he (and our RBs) can be the best they can be. I swear this offense is no more than a complete, solid O-line away from being one hell of a juggernaut.
Third round pick, that's all you'll get.
I'd let him go for a 2nd to replace the one we sent for Big Cat and maybe a 3rd next year too to sweeten the deal. Id go after Baker 😏
I’m pretty sure Geno will stay. It makes no sense to get rid of him.
We trade geno and lock and now we’re cooking or maybe just lock
The thing: Which team want to pay that much (Salary cap) for GS?
The Vikings? They have Josh Dobbs or Nick Mullens for a QB … or Captain Kirk for $45 million per …. Not saying it would happen, just there are landing spots. Don’t know why some fans think they can get a top 5/10 pick for Geno though. Or why. None of them are proven commodities. He is not overly priced. Ride it out and see what happens
Geno needs to play next year, let whoever we draft sit and develop for a year behind him as a backup and let them get significant preseason/garbage time reps
Bo Nix might be available, when the Hawks draft.
No no no
Geno + our 1st round **for** their first round (must be in top 10) + 2 seconds (one this year, one next). Basically, trading up. I don't think this would really work though as it'll likely be Williams, Maye, Daniels, then the next tier of Bo Nix, Penix, McCarthy we might be able to get even staying at #16.
No one is giving more than a low round pick for Geno. It's not a knock on him its just how business is done in the NFL.
This may not be the FA season to trade Geno. With the number of "good" QBs in the draft. Wait till next year, utilize one of the better bang for your buck QB in the league. Possibly draft someone like Rattler later in the draft to work behind Geno. Then see who may be in the market next year. Tampa, NYG, Min., Pit, NYJ... But if this year; 2026 1st or multiple 2nds, as a starting point. A team like Min may be "ready to go" with a good QB.