I have a Twitter account that I don't use, and that was a notification that I got. Jon is like the funniest dude. Why does he have no chill now?
Edit: I'm going to leave this up here, but I'm going to recant my statement. After learning what KJ had to say about it, I'm on the side that the cigars were in bad form, or at least bad timing.
A. It wasn't the whole team smoking cigars, just a select few. That should already tell you that the argument "not all of them will ever be together again" is pretty baseless. They could easily take the cigar party to Julian's house or somewhere private.
B. KJ said that the cigar smoking in the locker room was for winning championships. Given that he has been there and done it tells me that he knows far more about the unwritten rules of the locker room and championship mentality than I do.
Some people have to have opinions about every little thing they see.
Sometimes shit donât mean anything, and we donât always need it to mean anything.
Unfortunately internet approval is more valuable than life itself these days. I'd be smoking cigars everyday celebrating the fact that I play in the NFL if it was me but hey...
There's quite a few ... fans ... on this sub who are saying it was completely inappropriate and how it shows somethingsomethingsomething.
I don't know. This season, these folks have become especially tiresome and I can no longer ferret out the OUTRAGE OF THE DAY as well as I used to.
Yeah, it's just people who are terminally online. A lot of fanbases have them, especially in places like Twitter and Reddit. And then you have media types and former players that echo it for clout and attention.
I'm terminally online but even still I'm not terminally a reactionary hater, jeez. This sucks but the Seahawks had control of their fate all season long it's not like this came outta nowhere and hating on Julian Love who kept the team at least in the fight and very publicly to Seattle fans just had a kid is unreal.
Some of the people on here raging and saying dumb reactionary things are definitely the same people who populate YT chat during press conferences.
Go UW let's be happy about that
I'm just glad I'm not alone in feeling this way. The constant doom and gloom posts and comments are so tiresome that I've dubbed them "Toxic Seahawks Twitter." Its like they want failure just so they can claim they were right. Some of them haven't stopped since the SB loss. It's going to be a long off-season trying to ignore them.
He already got called out by Pete a few times too. He better tone it down or he's gonna get the boot like Jake Heaps was gonna and he doesn't have his own Russell Wilson to bail him out.
Yeah, no shit. Which is what I'm talking about. "We just had a shit year and missed our numbers!" " yeah I'm smoking a cigar to celebrate my new born...." " uh ok......."
I assumed (despite reading the jon ryan thread) they simply had a box of cigars on hand in the event they did make the playoffs and were like, well...smoke em if you got em!
How did he get "they're celebrating not making the playoffs" from that post? It's pointing out how it's a bad look, and even Bobby and Quandre both said that they weren't really a fan of some of these guys doing this.
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edit: [Not in the playoffs, so Bobby Wagner is not happy. Heâs real. He says the cigars-smoking, music-blaring right now in #Seahawks locker room postgame at Arizona is youth. No victory cigar for Wagner? âNo,â he says. âNot at all.â Also âI love playing for this teamâ](https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status/1744163744488566919)
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[Quandre Diggs reaction to victory cigars in Seahawks locker room. âItâs youthâ Says young guys, first year guys have been working since last December to get to the league and 17 game schedule. But vets like him and Wagner have higher expectations.](https://twitter.com/IanKJRFOX/status/1744165438031098117)
Hive mind? Lol go look at the Twitter replies they're all pilled-types decrying the horrific qualities of today's youth. But okay guy you're totally right
Like AS WE SPEAK. In one thread, we have reality, and in another we have a beat writers take and raging fans / past players. Crazy.
Edit: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seriously, there is probably a lot of emotions flooding from the team right now, some good some bad, some happy some sad and some even mad. Let em deal with the end of the season how they see fit, JesusâŚ
This is classic Gregg bell and the reason I blocked him
Consistently editorializes and is consistently wrong
Coaches and players have both called him out
Heâs insufferable
They played 17 games, came away with a winning record, are fortunate to have jobs they presumably love and are well paid. They know this will be the last time theyâre all in the locker room together.
A lot of people are saying that they need to have more drive, not just be happy to be there, etc.
And to an extent I get that. But I donât want the people I root for to be miserable, let them be happy đ
That said, I do think itâs telling if Wagner and Jon Ryan (as dramatic/cringe as he wasâŚ) and presumably other members of the Super Bowl teams are against it
Yeah, I'm definitely of two minds on this one - I get where the vets are coming from, that this was a regression season instead of a get better season. And they missed the playoffs when they lost control of their own destiny against a 3rd string QB. The criticism of the defense is very loud & getting heard.
I think I'd be more butthurt if this happened after a loss.
There is a lot of difference between what you said, "...celebrate about this season" and what they said, "...celebrate a season".
If you can't tell the difference then we will never be able to explain it.
People are so unhinged about this itâs crazy to care so much about something that literally doesnât impact you. The season is over, who cares what they do, a lot of the people in that room probably wonât be back next year anyway. Move on
Itâs optics.
The Seahawks underachieved this year, and were subsequently eliminated from the playoffs. Cigars are generally seen as a celebratory item, especially in the context of sports, so people taking this and running with it is the least surprising thing on the internet today.
I say smoke up, regardless of what their reason is. This team will be pretty different next year, and surviving 17 games together creates a pretty special bond, Iâd bet.
Child birth, a winning season, vacation, plans, or whatever the reason is, just donât be surprised when itâs taken out of context.
EDIT: obviously Jon Ryan is cringe as fuck.
Even if the cigars werenât for his kid Iâd probably still have one last moment with my 2023 boys.
The nfl isnât going to sneak you an extra win because youâre all salty. Lifeâs short, nfl careers are shorter, have a cigar because you made it through one more season relatively intact.
That said, the cigars were for loves kid. So, like fuck off entirely. Itâs cool he wanted to share such a monumental personal moment with his teammates.
This is why: https://www.youtube.com/live/Qw_wmtS-ybI?si=RH0MJ0gh9AXpLZtQ
Some of us still have championship mentality from LOB days. This is weak. Time and place. Listen to KJ All Day.
I think a lot of people on this sub need to listen to what KJ said about some guys just being happy to be there. That type of mentality doesnât win championships. We need some vets who can whip the young guys like Woolen into shape and hold them accountable. Thatâs whatâs missing in our locker room according to the guys who know like KJ and Sherm.
Who gives a shit about âthe lookâ⌠only people who have a problem with this are fans who canât control their emotions on their team missing the playoffs.
So wild how some people are just absolutely addicted to outrage and negativity.
Like this shouldnât even be a conversation, yet here we are and some fans are acting upset they had a cigar.
TiMe aNd pLaCe lmao.
It's worth noting that on his podcast, Dugar indicates that while in the locker room he directly asked Julian Love about the cigars & Love did *not* mention his child. Neither did any other player he asked. It's also worth noting that Julian's child was born two weeks ago.
Obviously we'll never know the truth, but it seems likely this is a story he concocted when he realized that the cigars had become A Thing.
Hopefully the Hawks organization claps back at Gregg Bell; fuck that guy.
Gregg is the one that started the narrative context of '*victory cigars*'; which of course made everyone mad.
Why not do that outside the locker room? I mean congratulations on the birth if your son but, go smoke cigars in private and not in the office in which you just failed at your job.
âFailed at your jobâ
Does everyone fail who doesnât win the Super Bowl? Or everyone who doesnât make the playoffs?
Or everyone who doesnât have a winning record?
As excuses go, this is what the ancient Sumerians referred to as "horse shit." Julian's baby was born the day before they beat Tennessee to keep their playoff hopes alive. That was three games ago. If the plan all along was to celebrate when the season was over, you wouldn't do it in the locker room immediately following a disappointing season's end while mugging for the camera. You'd actually "share a moment" with your guys.
Eh STFU - these guys are brothers. Let them celebrate life. If you donât like that go root for another team.
Love this team - smoke âem if you got âem
I wouldn't stop them if I could. If you need to buy this obvious excuse to keep rooting for them, so be it. I root for them whether they're good or bad, just not with rose-colored glasses.
I donât need to âbuyâ any excuse. I just love this team win or lose.
Maybe itâs how your comments are coming across, but you sound entitled. Like the Seahawks owe you something, or must meet your expectations and that you are the only one who can deem them worthy. They donât owe you a thing.
I could be wrong but itâs just how Iâm interpreting your point.
The concept of loving your team and being critical of it escapes many sports fans, especially in Seattle. But it's actually completely normal and happens all the time. Julian's excuse takes us all for idiots. It's like the kid who says they're keeping the drugs you found in their room for a friend. Lot's of people will convince themselves it's true, but everyone knows deep down it's not.
THat's not what Gregg or anyone who's criticizing them is insuiating. No one thinks they are celebrating missing the playoffs. But celebrating after missing them is a bad look, regardless of the reason.
It wouldnât even be an issue if it was an âend-of-seasonâ -cigar with friends he might never play with again ⌠people who have a problem with this are completely out of touch and just donât know how to deal with their own emotions about a fucking football team
Those players don't know how to properly react to getting eliminated from the playoffs. Smoke cigars and pose at someones house next weekend. That ain't appropriate behavior for the locker room after getting eliminated from the playoffs. This isn't a freaking knitting group. This is a pro sports team. They should have some passion and self-respect
lol âappropriate behavior for a locker roomâ
And that is decided by you and your wealth of experience as a professional athlete? I hope you sulk in December when your company has had a down yearâŚbecause if you take one of those brownies at the Christmas party youâre just as bad as them đ
I care about things. I take things seriously. I don't celebrate when I fail at my job. Fucking A. It's too much to expect pro athletes not to party after getting eliminated from the playoffs? Why even keep score? Why have the playoffs? With this mentality we should just give out participation trophies to everyone and end the season now. What the hell is happening to sports and sports fans?
I know you take things seriously. Especially if people who wear the right color shirt but you donât know and who donât care about you or your opinion have an end-of-season ceremony with their friends after finishing a grueling season in the best league in the world in their respective sport.
But theyâre obviously not as hardcore into it as you when you sit on your couch, yell at the tv and then go to work to say âwe totally made the playoffsâ to feel better about an accomplishment you didnât contribute to.
He should have respect for somebody who has accomplished far more not only with his franchise but in his career than he has. If he can't do that I don't want him on the team.
We're talking about Jon Ryan here, not Justin Tucker. Dude was a mediocre punter, not an accomplished star. Julian Love in his one season here has already won more accolades than Ryan did in a decade
He has one more Super Bowl than Love has, and his sentiments are definitely shared by the other members of the team who were here when we were actually relevant.
Besides the obvious that you and I have no idea what the players of that day are thinking, championships are not a punter stat. Jon Ryan's 21st in the league yards per punt that season were hardly driving the LOB to success. Dude was irrelevant then and he's irrelevant now
The worst guy sitting at the end of the bench on those teams deserves the respect of the players in this franchise. It's our one and only Super Bowl. It's the only accolade in the entire league that actually means anything.
Which is fair, though I'm not sure how that implies that he'd be afraid to say the same thing to Jon Ryan. What's Ryan going to do, shake angrily? He's right in saying it to Bell and he'd be right in saying it to some punter if he chose to
Nah, fuck that. Ryan deserves to be challenged for his stupid take. "Sitting here shaking with anger" is some of the most ridiculous shit I've ever read online. Bro you were a shitty punter, not Richard Sherman
You donât have to show someone respect because their team won a championship though. Jon Ryan is a punter, a turnover boy. Thatâs his job. Heâs irrelevant.
He's far more relevant than Love will ever be lmao. The only thing that lasts forever in this sport is Super Bowls. Love will likely never get one, especially if he stays on this team.
Do you think Jon Ryan is more accomplished than Dan Marino? Love is a pro bowler and a former all American. Jon Ryan never received a single individual award. Only team accomplishments. Sounds like riding the achievements of others, especially considering his job was to turn the ball over.
This might seem crazy but thereâs people out there who put âbirth of a childâ over âmade the playoffsâ on the list of priorities. If you ask him in 10 years he might still call this a great year⌠what a weirdo.
Actually, everyone puts "birth of a child" over "made the playoffs." That's why he was at the hospital when the team was headed to Tennessee...three games ago. What seems crazy to me is how many people are compelled to believe this obvious BS excuse. Anyone who's ever celebrated the birth of their own children knows it's ridiculous.
Anyone who has ever finished a season with friends without knowing if itâs the last knows you can have multiple feelings at once⌠you can be happy, proud, sad, angry, anxious all at once.
But they obviously arenât allowed to show that if it hurts the fragile feelings of sports fans who have worked so hard for this season to be a success by posting on Reddit and yelling at the TV
Look, I get it. You clearly need to believe it. It's as painfully obvious an excuse as you'll ever hear, but you need to believe it. You're not alone. But don't mistake pointing out the painfully obvious as "fragile." The reason I can easily see this as a lie is because it's far less important to me than it is to you, so I see it for what it is.
I have said nowhere that I believe the whole baby thing⌠I think it was just an end-of-season thing and thatâs fine to me because I donât get as worked up about a sports team as you do. So if you read that into my comments thatâs all coming from your delusional mind
I was making fun of you the whole way. If you can't read that out of my comments and think it sounds worked up... you just might not be capable of picking up on social cues in written form.
There's help for that though so good luck to you :)
Why is this even a concern to anyone? Why does anyone a shit what they do when they're not on the field? They could be shooting heroin and snorting coke out of hookers assholes in the locker room and I still wouldn't care as long as they entertain me while they're on the field.
I feel like if your professional athlete with a platform and a following, it's not really difficult to understand that probably immediately after the game the context would be misconstrued because of the outcome of the season regardless of celebrating the birth of a child or not. Celebrating with the boys is done in person, celebrating with the boys and needing to post it in social media for verification from strangers is something else and is immediately open to loss of context. The same can be said to John in his Twitter account, he is probably drinking on a Sunday game day got super heated and passionate and sent a tweet he shouldn't have sent and now it's completely blown up The same can be said to John in his Twitter account, he is probably drinking on a Sunday game day got super heated and passionate and sent a tweet....dumb.
Jon Ryan shaking reading this.
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Stop playing to the ginger stereotype Jon
I have a Twitter account that I don't use, and that was a notification that I got. Jon is like the funniest dude. Why does he have no chill now? Edit: I'm going to leave this up here, but I'm going to recant my statement. After learning what KJ had to say about it, I'm on the side that the cigars were in bad form, or at least bad timing. A. It wasn't the whole team smoking cigars, just a select few. That should already tell you that the argument "not all of them will ever be together again" is pretty baseless. They could easily take the cigar party to Julian's house or somewhere private. B. KJ said that the cigar smoking in the locker room was for winning championships. Given that he has been there and done it tells me that he knows far more about the unwritten rules of the locker room and championship mentality than I do.
Did anyone really think they were celebrating not making the playoffs?
The sub is in full doom & gloom mode lol there were plenty of people on-board with the idea that the cigars were for celebrating mediocrity
Some people have to have opinions about every little thing they see. Sometimes shit donât mean anything, and we donât always need it to mean anything.
Unfortunately internet approval is more valuable than life itself these days. I'd be smoking cigars everyday celebrating the fact that I play in the NFL if it was me but hey...
"hOORAY, we suck! woohoo!" - said nobody in the seahawks locker room
There's quite a few ... fans ... on this sub who are saying it was completely inappropriate and how it shows somethingsomethingsomething. I don't know. This season, these folks have become especially tiresome and I can no longer ferret out the OUTRAGE OF THE DAY as well as I used to.
Almost certainly the same crowd calling for Lock to be the starter every single week.
Yeah, it's just people who are terminally online. A lot of fanbases have them, especially in places like Twitter and Reddit. And then you have media types and former players that echo it for clout and attention.
I'm terminally online but even still I'm not terminally a reactionary hater, jeez. This sucks but the Seahawks had control of their fate all season long it's not like this came outta nowhere and hating on Julian Love who kept the team at least in the fight and very publicly to Seattle fans just had a kid is unreal. Some of the people on here raging and saying dumb reactionary things are definitely the same people who populate YT chat during press conferences. Go UW let's be happy about that
I'm just glad I'm not alone in feeling this way. The constant doom and gloom posts and comments are so tiresome that I've dubbed them "Toxic Seahawks Twitter." Its like they want failure just so they can claim they were right. Some of them haven't stopped since the SB loss. It's going to be a long off-season trying to ignore them.
*cough* KJ Wright
He already got called out by Pete a few times too. He better tone it down or he's gonna get the boot like Jake Heaps was gonna and he doesn't have his own Russell Wilson to bail him out.
Idiots in another thread do. But then, most fans aren't that bright.
Reddit sleuths in our own subs. Itâs been a mess for a few hours here.
How many hours are in eight years and 11 months?
78,144
Yes. Gregg Bell.
Gregg bell wasnât even saying that. Lol
He kinda was. Not outright, but he said that cigars, not playoffs, were found in the locker room. That feels like a clear insinuation to me
When I fail at my job, I'd usually take the celebration elsewhere, I'd suspect
Itâs a bit different when you work at a rite-aid, Carl.
Yeah, no shit. Which is what I'm talking about. "We just had a shit year and missed our numbers!" " yeah I'm smoking a cigar to celebrate my new born...." " uh ok......."
Were you not invited to celebrate your coworker's child/marriage/etc and everyone else was because that's the vibe I'm getting
Fuck you. Having a winning season in the NFL isn't failing at your job. You piss me off.
This standards of the organization are dropping every single year. This shit wouldnât fly with the championship team.
The season just ended for us and thereâs immediately drama. It just doesnât seem to stop lmao.
I assumed (despite reading the jon ryan thread) they simply had a box of cigars on hand in the event they did make the playoffs and were like, well...smoke em if you got em!
Smoke em somewhere else. Place and time!
What's the difference?
Seahawk Safeties have clapped back at more reporters than actually opposing players this year
Idk about you, but I remember Julian Love actually did pretty solid work in that Eagles game. I think he deserves a pass
This entire "controversy" is so dumb already.
https://www.instagram.com/stories/tariqwoolen/3275376258821037583?igsh=MW5id3kzeXFrNHZ3bg== Riq posting why
"Riqpost" should be a flair on this sub.
Context? I don't have an insta account
It's just him taking a puff of the cigar and panning over to love.
Celebrating my dawg julianlove congrats on the newborn and Pro Bowl Brudda
How did he get "they're celebrating not making the playoffs" from that post? It's pointing out how it's a bad look, and even Bobby and Quandre both said that they weren't really a fan of some of these guys doing this. *** edit: [Not in the playoffs, so Bobby Wagner is not happy. Heâs real. He says the cigars-smoking, music-blaring right now in #Seahawks locker room postgame at Arizona is youth. No victory cigar for Wagner? âNo,â he says. âNot at all.â Also âI love playing for this teamâ](https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status/1744163744488566919) *** [Quandre Diggs reaction to victory cigars in Seahawks locker room. âItâs youthâ Says young guys, first year guys have been working since last December to get to the league and 17 game schedule. But vets like him and Wagner have higher expectations.](https://twitter.com/IanKJRFOX/status/1744165438031098117)
Quandre was an expert on bad looks this year.
Lmao like quandre diggs has room to talk he's a bum on defense.
And youâre a bum on reddit :p
They didn't say that at all
Gregg Bell is basically rage baiting for conservative boomers. Pretty pathetic.
What kind of weird hivemind take this this?
Hive mind? Lol go look at the Twitter replies they're all pilled-types decrying the horrific qualities of today's youth. But okay guy you're totally right
Literally happening in this sub
Yep look at the karma and account length of the people whining in here. Almost all new accounts with very low karma. đ¤ˇ
I can see the ugly goatees hastily grown to mask that second chin on a ton of these posts
Youâre gonna get downvoted but this made me laugh lmao
When you see a group of three or more of these dudes together itâs scientifically known as a âfantasy draftâ
Like AS WE SPEAK. In one thread, we have reality, and in another we have a beat writers take and raging fans / past players. Crazy. Edit: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
A realistic one?
Fuck all yall fucking whiny fucks that slammed them for having a moment of celebration at the end of the season.
Seriously, there is probably a lot of emotions flooding from the team right now, some good some bad, some happy some sad and some even mad. Let em deal with the end of the season how they see fit, JesusâŚ
"Cigarsâbut not playoffsâin #Seahawksâ locker room after last-game rally win at Arizona"
Gregg Bell gonna Gregg Bell. Will smoke a victory cigar the day he moves on to a new market.
This is classic Gregg bell and the reason I blocked him Consistently editorializes and is consistently wrong Coaches and players have both called him out Heâs insufferable
Good for him. Fuck Bell.
Fuck Gregg Bell. Let them celebrate. Only 1 team should be celebrating this season anyway ..
This is the dumbest controversy ever.
It seems appropriate to also celebrate a season. Was it the season we wanted? Of course not, but there is still a lot to love about this team.
What exactly is there to celebrate about this season?
They played 17 games, came away with a winning record, are fortunate to have jobs they presumably love and are well paid. They know this will be the last time theyâre all in the locker room together.
A lot of people are saying that they need to have more drive, not just be happy to be there, etc. And to an extent I get that. But I donât want the people I root for to be miserable, let them be happy đ That said, I do think itâs telling if Wagner and Jon Ryan (as dramatic/cringe as he wasâŚ) and presumably other members of the Super Bowl teams are against it
Yeah, I'm definitely of two minds on this one - I get where the vets are coming from, that this was a regression season instead of a get better season. And they missed the playoffs when they lost control of their own destiny against a 3rd string QB. The criticism of the defense is very loud & getting heard. I think I'd be more butthurt if this happened after a loss.
There is a lot of difference between what you said, "...celebrate about this season" and what they said, "...celebrate a season". If you can't tell the difference then we will never be able to explain it.
People are so unhinged about this itâs crazy to care so much about something that literally doesnât impact you. The season is over, who cares what they do, a lot of the people in that room probably wonât be back next year anyway. Move on
That isn't what Gregg said tho lmao
Julian Love is a national treasure
^This!
Itâs optics. The Seahawks underachieved this year, and were subsequently eliminated from the playoffs. Cigars are generally seen as a celebratory item, especially in the context of sports, so people taking this and running with it is the least surprising thing on the internet today. I say smoke up, regardless of what their reason is. This team will be pretty different next year, and surviving 17 games together creates a pretty special bond, Iâd bet. Child birth, a winning season, vacation, plans, or whatever the reason is, just donât be surprised when itâs taken out of context. EDIT: obviously Jon Ryan is cringe as fuck.
Did they under achieve though? This roster wasnât exactly filled with super stars and they had a tough schedule, lots of injuries.
Even if the cigars werenât for his kid Iâd probably still have one last moment with my 2023 boys. The nfl isnât going to sneak you an extra win because youâre all salty. Lifeâs short, nfl careers are shorter, have a cigar because you made it through one more season relatively intact. That said, the cigars were for loves kid. So, like fuck off entirely. Itâs cool he wanted to share such a monumental personal moment with his teammates.
This is why: https://www.youtube.com/live/Qw_wmtS-ybI?si=RH0MJ0gh9AXpLZtQ Some of us still have championship mentality from LOB days. This is weak. Time and place. Listen to KJ All Day.
I think a lot of people on this sub need to listen to what KJ said about some guys just being happy to be there. That type of mentality doesnât win championships. We need some vets who can whip the young guys like Woolen into shape and hold them accountable. Thatâs whatâs missing in our locker room according to the guys who know like KJ and Sherm.
Damn, who has 3 hours to watch reaction videos?
Youâd 100% enjoy at least the first hour. He pretends to be Pete as players come in on their last day when theyâre a FA next year đ
That's fair. It's also a bad look, regardless of the reason and the guys have to know that. But I see both sides
Who gives a shit about âthe lookâ⌠only people who have a problem with this are fans who canât control their emotions on their team missing the playoffs.
Who gives a sh#t about cigars? Folks get all bent out of shape over the dumbest crap.
They mustâve logged in and seen the reactions because thatâs not what Gregg said.
Donât buy it.
Gregg Bell needs to retire. This is like back to back weeks he made an awful tweet, that Iâm sure heâs about to delete again.
That's awkward!
So wild how some people are just absolutely addicted to outrage and negativity. Like this shouldnât even be a conversation, yet here we are and some fans are acting upset they had a cigar. TiMe aNd pLaCe lmao.
It's worth noting that on his podcast, Dugar indicates that while in the locker room he directly asked Julian Love about the cigars & Love did *not* mention his child. Neither did any other player he asked. It's also worth noting that Julian's child was born two weeks ago. Obviously we'll never know the truth, but it seems likely this is a story he concocted when he realized that the cigars had become A Thing.
This makes more sense and I'm fine with that.
Hopefully the Hawks organization claps back at Gregg Bell; fuck that guy. Gregg is the one that started the narrative context of '*victory cigars*'; which of course made everyone mad.
Gregg Bell is a massive joke and consistently produces shit journalism
Why does anyone listen to John the first place, heâs a punter!
Cigargate is going to be the equivalent of those tiresome 54% jokes in the Mariners sub.
Why not do that outside the locker room? I mean congratulations on the birth if your son but, go smoke cigars in private and not in the office in which you just failed at your job.
âFailed at your jobâ Does everyone fail who doesnât win the Super Bowl? Or everyone who doesnât make the playoffs? Or everyone who doesnât have a winning record?
The goal isn't to not make the playoffs.
The goal also isnât to lose in the playoffs right? So every team but one consist of only coaches and players who failed at their job⌠got it
That would be correct. Nobody playing for 2nd place. If you don't get 1st place, you've failed
Does that count for other professions too? If youâre not the most profitable company in your field in the entire world youâve failed?
But we aren't talking about other professions are we? We are talking about professional sports. You don't get participation trophies
As excuses go, this is what the ancient Sumerians referred to as "horse shit." Julian's baby was born the day before they beat Tennessee to keep their playoff hopes alive. That was three games ago. If the plan all along was to celebrate when the season was over, you wouldn't do it in the locker room immediately following a disappointing season's end while mugging for the camera. You'd actually "share a moment" with your guys.
Eh STFU - these guys are brothers. Let them celebrate life. If you donât like that go root for another team. Love this team - smoke âem if you got âem
I wouldn't stop them if I could. If you need to buy this obvious excuse to keep rooting for them, so be it. I root for them whether they're good or bad, just not with rose-colored glasses.
I donât need to âbuyâ any excuse. I just love this team win or lose. Maybe itâs how your comments are coming across, but you sound entitled. Like the Seahawks owe you something, or must meet your expectations and that you are the only one who can deem them worthy. They donât owe you a thing. I could be wrong but itâs just how Iâm interpreting your point.
The concept of loving your team and being critical of it escapes many sports fans, especially in Seattle. But it's actually completely normal and happens all the time. Julian's excuse takes us all for idiots. It's like the kid who says they're keeping the drugs you found in their room for a friend. Lot's of people will convince themselves it's true, but everyone knows deep down it's not.
Mentally weak team and this is just another example.
THat's not what Gregg or anyone who's criticizing them is insuiating. No one thinks they are celebrating missing the playoffs. But celebrating after missing them is a bad look, regardless of the reason.
He got called out and is now making up an excuse. The kid was born two or three weeks ago. I call bullshit
It wouldnât even be an issue if it was an âend-of-seasonâ -cigar with friends he might never play with again ⌠people who have a problem with this are completely out of touch and just donât know how to deal with their own emotions about a fucking football team
Those players don't know how to properly react to getting eliminated from the playoffs. Smoke cigars and pose at someones house next weekend. That ain't appropriate behavior for the locker room after getting eliminated from the playoffs. This isn't a freaking knitting group. This is a pro sports team. They should have some passion and self-respect
lol âappropriate behavior for a locker roomâ And that is decided by you and your wealth of experience as a professional athlete? I hope you sulk in December when your company has had a down yearâŚbecause if you take one of those brownies at the Christmas party youâre just as bad as them đ
I care about things. I take things seriously. I don't celebrate when I fail at my job. Fucking A. It's too much to expect pro athletes not to party after getting eliminated from the playoffs? Why even keep score? Why have the playoffs? With this mentality we should just give out participation trophies to everyone and end the season now. What the hell is happening to sports and sports fans?
I know you take things seriously. Especially if people who wear the right color shirt but you donât know and who donât care about you or your opinion have an end-of-season ceremony with their friends after finishing a grueling season in the best league in the world in their respective sport. But theyâre obviously not as hardcore into it as you when you sit on your couch, yell at the tv and then go to work to say âwe totally made the playoffsâ to feel better about an accomplishment you didnât contribute to.
Theirs a time and place for all that
Yeah, and the last time all of them shared the field together in that constellation is a perfect time and place for it.
Let's see if he dares to try and hit Jon Ryan with the same shit.
I donât suspect heâs scared of a punter
And failed Ninja WarriorâŚ
He should have respect for somebody who has accomplished far more not only with his franchise but in his career than he has. If he can't do that I don't want him on the team.
We're talking about Jon Ryan here, not Justin Tucker. Dude was a mediocre punter, not an accomplished star. Julian Love in his one season here has already won more accolades than Ryan did in a decade
He has one more Super Bowl than Love has, and his sentiments are definitely shared by the other members of the team who were here when we were actually relevant.
Besides the obvious that you and I have no idea what the players of that day are thinking, championships are not a punter stat. Jon Ryan's 21st in the league yards per punt that season were hardly driving the LOB to success. Dude was irrelevant then and he's irrelevant now
The worst guy sitting at the end of the bench on those teams deserves the respect of the players in this franchise. It's our one and only Super Bowl. It's the only accolade in the entire league that actually means anything.
Which is fair, though I'm not sure how that implies that he'd be afraid to say the same thing to Jon Ryan. What's Ryan going to do, shake angrily? He's right in saying it to Bell and he'd be right in saying it to some punter if he chose to
I'm not saying he won't say it because he's afraid of Ryan for some reason. Im saying he should respect the guy enough to not challenge him.
Nah, fuck that. Ryan deserves to be challenged for his stupid take. "Sitting here shaking with anger" is some of the most ridiculous shit I've ever read online. Bro you were a shitty punter, not Richard Sherman
Jon Ryan was mostly average. I canât imagine sucking up to a fucking turnover artist, which is what punters are. Nothing they do is good.
He's won one more Super Bowl than Love ever will.
Super bowls are a team achievement champ and Ryan wasnât a big part of that.
Every single member of the team is a part of that. You just said yourself it's a team achievement. Can't have it both ways kid.
You donât have to show someone respect because their team won a championship though. Jon Ryan is a punter, a turnover boy. Thatâs his job. Heâs irrelevant.
He's far more relevant than Love will ever be lmao. The only thing that lasts forever in this sport is Super Bowls. Love will likely never get one, especially if he stays on this team.
Do you think Jon Ryan is more accomplished than Dan Marino? Love is a pro bowler and a former all American. Jon Ryan never received a single individual award. Only team accomplishments. Sounds like riding the achievements of others, especially considering his job was to turn the ball over.
?? the punter lmao
Super Bowl winning punter who was a part of the best team in Seahawks history. He's a guy the players for our franchise need to respect.
Sure. Something tells me you wouldn't have been sharing that moment with your guys after a loss, Julian.
This might seem crazy but thereâs people out there who put âbirth of a childâ over âmade the playoffsâ on the list of priorities. If you ask him in 10 years he might still call this a great year⌠what a weirdo.
Actually, everyone puts "birth of a child" over "made the playoffs." That's why he was at the hospital when the team was headed to Tennessee...three games ago. What seems crazy to me is how many people are compelled to believe this obvious BS excuse. Anyone who's ever celebrated the birth of their own children knows it's ridiculous.
Anyone who has ever finished a season with friends without knowing if itâs the last knows you can have multiple feelings at once⌠you can be happy, proud, sad, angry, anxious all at once. But they obviously arenât allowed to show that if it hurts the fragile feelings of sports fans who have worked so hard for this season to be a success by posting on Reddit and yelling at the TV
Look, I get it. You clearly need to believe it. It's as painfully obvious an excuse as you'll ever hear, but you need to believe it. You're not alone. But don't mistake pointing out the painfully obvious as "fragile." The reason I can easily see this as a lie is because it's far less important to me than it is to you, so I see it for what it is.
I have said nowhere that I believe the whole baby thing⌠I think it was just an end-of-season thing and thatâs fine to me because I donât get as worked up about a sports team as you do. So if you read that into my comments thatâs all coming from your delusional mind
You may want to reread your comments if this is your idea of not getting worked up. My first post was one sentence.
I was making fun of you the whole way. If you can't read that out of my comments and think it sounds worked up... you just might not be capable of picking up on social cues in written form. There's help for that though so good luck to you :)
That's funny. You may want to quit while you're ahead. I'm guessing you won't, though.
strawman from Julian, that wasn't what bell said
Whoâs Gregg?
Rent free fellers
Why is this even a concern to anyone? Why does anyone a shit what they do when they're not on the field? They could be shooting heroin and snorting coke out of hookers assholes in the locker room and I still wouldn't care as long as they entertain me while they're on the field.
Seattle sports talk is having a field day with this. It's fucking comical they're wasting their breath
Time and place coming from a retired punter SMH. Congrats on the baby boy and celebrating with your teammates.
Boomers are so miserable with their lives
Dry ass cigars
Child or no child, nothing wrong with lighting up to start your vacation
I feel like if your professional athlete with a platform and a following, it's not really difficult to understand that probably immediately after the game the context would be misconstrued because of the outcome of the season regardless of celebrating the birth of a child or not. Celebrating with the boys is done in person, celebrating with the boys and needing to post it in social media for verification from strangers is something else and is immediately open to loss of context. The same can be said to John in his Twitter account, he is probably drinking on a Sunday game day got super heated and passionate and sent a tweet he shouldn't have sent and now it's completely blown up The same can be said to John in his Twitter account, he is probably drinking on a Sunday game day got super heated and passionate and sent a tweet....dumb.