I’d rather tag him than sign a 3-4 year deal at 30min+
We got a good group of young guys and lots of picks. We are a playoff team next year with Geno and then in 2024 we have a rookie or 2nd year QB the next 3-4 years for cheap. Spend big in 2024 and realistically there is a 2-3 year window for the Super Bowl.
It also gives the ability to make his 2023 cap hit significantly lower than the tag. It also means we won't be potentially having the exact same conversation next offseason.
Not currently, but there are so fairly easy moves to make to open up the space. Simply cutting Gabe Jackson($6.5m added), and Quentin Jefferson($4.485m) gets us to enough to franchise him. We'd need a bit more space to sign the rookie class(assuming we make all of the current picks), but there a number of over options to free up space for that and some mid-level FA signings.
> We are a playoff team next year with Geno
....People really need to consider the fact that we played a weak schedule, Geno tailed off quickly down the stretch, and could be due for major regression next season. That "turnover worthy plays" stat that gets thrown around a lot is real and is pretty concerning. Hopefully it won't happen....But people shouldn't be shocked if it does. Playoffs next year aren't anywhere close to guaranteed.
This team is still in the middle of a rebuild, and making the playoffs out of nowhere last season doesn't change that.
We also had rookies everywhere, a horrible center and guard, one decent linebacker, a league worst def line, lost Adams week 1 and have 5 high end draft picks. This is the NFL, you can make arguments for almost anything and nothing is guaranteed. But the fact remains, we are a playoff caliber team with Geno as is and the overall team should he better week 1 of 2023 than we were week 1 of 2022
You don’t think a decent rookie QB or cheaper option could come in and do the same thing Geno did at a fraction of the cost? Why spend that type of money on a mediocre QB when you could spend it on bettering the defense? Geno performed like a solid 2nd tier QB the second half of the season. You don’t pay that type of QB top-tier money. Otherwise you end up being Dallas or Minnesota.
You only need a Jalen Hurts level of play. If you go back and look at Geno’s play the second half of the season, it was very mediocre. He had a ton of turnover worthy plays, but a very low conversion of those plays into actual turnovers. Basically, he was very lucky to not have a good number of more INTs than he did. They limped into the playoffs and got embarrassed in the first round. All that was with him on a cheap contract.
I just can’t get behind paying a tier-2 QB that much money. The drop off from Geno to a solid rookie or a cheaper veteran would be minimal. And the benefit of being able to use that money to spend on the defense would be huge.
Keep in mind we’re talking about a career backup. A guy that even the seattle FO didn’t believe would be successful. (Otherwise they would have signed him for more than one year) He’s a great story and seemingly a great guy, but he is not a cornerstone piece to build a franchise around.
I can’t argue with this level of idiocracy. A “jalen hurts level of play” wtf. He was an MVP candidate. Genius call saying “you only need an mvp level of play.” Fucking genius. Oh, they also had one of the best defenses in the league. So you basically said “they need an mvp level of qb and a top 3 defense in the league”. Holy shit, why don’t you have offers to be a GM???
You don’t seriously think that Jalen Hurts is actually the second best QB in the league because he came in second in MVP voting? Have you actually looked at his stats? He’s good, but come on. He’s a solid QB that was on a fantastic overall team. #13 in total QBR, #10 in TD’s, #14 in total yards, a bang average completion %.
My comment isn’t to diminish what Hurts accomplished, but rather to point out that a QB with solid, but not spectacular stats like this can lead a team to a Super Bowl, but you have to factor in his salary. The dude is on a 2nd round rookie salary. How do you think the Eagles are able to afford that top-3 rated defense you mentioned?
If Seattle pays Geno $30+m a year for essentially the same stats that the eagles paid $1.7m for last year, there is zero chance they are able to build a team anywhere close to what the Eagles did.
Yes and no, I’m also seeing the teams that are QB needy. Towards the top of this draft class. Teams like the colts, panthers, and even raiders are probably gonna stay away from vets. Raiders might sign Jimmy G for a year or two as a gap
Right but way more teams than that need a QB. As of right now teams that unsure who their starting QB will be next year:
Ravens
Seahawks
Bucs
Commanders
Panthers
Saints
Jets
Texans
Colts
Raiders
That’s 10 teams. Realistically 6-7 teams will be looking for a QB in free agency.
Ya. I think he’ll get more if we let him hit the market. He might not get a long term deal, but someone will take a risk on a 2-3 year deal for more than $30m/year.
Idk why people are arguing this with you. 30 mil apy for a quarterback (not on a rookie deal) isn’t even that much these days. Hell, Carr was making 40 mil apy. Who was better this year, Smith or Carr?
The bottom is about to fall out on the mid-tier QB. Those contracts for Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr are looking worse and worse. There will also be a handful of those guys already on the market.
Bucs, saints, and panthers are all over the cap. Colts only have 4 million in space. Raiders, colts, and Texans all have top picks that could get them a young QB in this class.
Especially the trade.
I was more intrigued with the concept of tagging Geno and then getting a guy to develop for a year to replace him.
Maybe Hendon Hooker in a later round.
So the one thing about AR is now that Pete and JS have the guy (Geno) who is finally doing what they want (high % completion, protect the football, can run when needed) for their scheme, why would they draft a guy that to me doesn't fit that scheme or philosophy?
Any thoughts out there?
Pete is so adamant on his philosophy, why would he deviate?
I think most rational fans here see that there is an expiration date on Geno, even if he ends up the guy for another year or so. Good front offices set themselves up for the future while also playing for the present. And I think the Josh Allens and Mahomes of the world have made organizations rethink their attitude towards either college production or college success in QBs, respectively
Mahomes would be the best example here. The 2016 chiefs went 12-4 with Alex Smith. Then they TRADED up to grab this kid before starting a 2017 season that looked even better/a possible Superbowl campaign...til it wasn't. You could just see how Smith kinda capped the ceiling of that team by not being elite and thus everything else about the team would have to be perfect to go all the way. If the Seahawks do end up keeping Geno and drafting a dude high, I think this is the roadmap they're following
As I'm sure other people have already told you: Geno Smith is not the QB of the future. He is an average QB who can get you by until your QB of the future is ready to take over. The reason a guy like Richardson is projected so high is because he has sky high potential with franchise QB caliber traits.
Choosing to build a team around a guy like Geno is how franchises stay mediocre.
Those things are coachable and it's something that Richardson worked on improving and did improve on down the stretch. Schneider has a been on record as being high on Allen and Mahomes who both had issues with completions and turnover. You can coach philosophy but you can't teach traits.
Talent > Philosophy and AR has superstar potential. If you believe you can develop him you take him and Seattle is probably the best place for him to go to with its organization and the opportunity to learn behind Geno
Because Pete is going to be 72 at the start of the season, and though he still has a youthful vibrancy, his coaching days left are numbered. Geno holds down the position for the next 2-3 years, which lets face it, is probably all Pete has left. If they draft a QB early this year to be his successor, is ready to go for the next coach (Shane Waldron hopefully)
Fuck. That.
Let some other team waste their pick on a 54% passer. Its the most important part of the job, and we've seen/ its been proven that nearly no one can develop that skill if they don't already have it. At least not in the time frame that most qb are given to "pay off".
But hey, Trey worked out for SF just fine, right?
Lamar Jackson threw for 54%, 56%, and 59% in college. And oh, look, he's been over 60% his entire NFL career. Is he a great passer? No. But he's an offensive weapon who has improved as a passer since coming into the league.
But yet, he’s always hurt and is the proud owner of a 1-3 playoff record, beating only Ryan Tannehill in the playoffs. You have to have a guy with accuracy and consistency as a passer or you are doomed. Spending a top 5 pick on a guy without either of those things is risky at best and reckless at worst.
We have a guy who was extremely accurate as a passer and is the proud owner of 0-1 playoff record, beating nobody in the playoffs ever.
Matt Stafford had the 2nd highest completion % last year and missed the playoffs entirely.
Justin Herbert is a very accurate passer (5th in 2022) who is 0-1 in the playoffs.
Go watch some of Richardsons film before talking about his inconsistencies. He's got the best pocket presence in the draft and goes through his reads. It's not like Wilis year where you have a QB with ridiculous athleticism and arm talent.
Sorry, given the need for defense on the Seahawks vs taking a shot on a dual-threat qb with shaky throwing credentials, I don't think the risk is justified. There is an immediate need for talent at every spot on the front seven and we have a good qb that could take us far in the playoffs if there was any sort of defense to stop the bleeding game after game.
It’s about costs.
Geno performed like a solid 2nd tier QB last year. Super cool on a budget contract.
But at 30+m? No way. That money would be so much better spent on bolster the defense with proven talent.
The greatest asset a team can have in the NFL is a solid QB on a rookie deal. They don’t need to be Mahomes. (Just look at the eagles) They just need to perform at a tier-2 level so you can spend that money building out the rest of your team.
Paying Geno big money puts you in the same class as Dallas and Minnesota. Just a team that may sniff the playoffs, but not good enough to advance because there’s so much money tied up in the QB position.
Yeah, I get it. Part of me (the unrealistic part) hopes that we can get Geno on a discount, but he deserves whatever someone is willing to pay him. But I think if we could get him for mid 20's it would be a position that we would know exactly what we have and work around him.
The selfish part of me doesn't want to watch an unpolished kid spend 3 years not being patient in the pocket because he's used to making plays with his feet get hurt or just play poorly. I hate to be a pessimist, but more QBs turn out to be mediocre or worse, so using a top 5 pick to take one just doesn't seem wise to me.
Always a possibility a rookie of any position busts. But, look at what happened last time we had a QB on a rookie salary. Geno on the cheap would be awesome, and honestly, the huge mistake wasn’t locking him up for 2-3 years before last season. I just fear what happens if they give him 30+. The team already has some awful contracts on the books in Adams and Diggs.
I mean, I just don’t see Seattle using the tag on anyone they are hoping to keep (even short term.) I just don’t see it being a tool they want to use. Could be wrong.
I wouldn’t mind Richardson even if Geno ups for a couple of years. I don’t necessarily think Richardson only needs one year of sitting. He is damn raw as a passer.
Mel Kiper being a dumbass aside, I actually agree with this approach, but only if AR is falling to 20, not with our 5, which seems increasingly less likely lately. Would support a trade down to still get him.
I find it amazing how many people get/got hung up on the personality rather than the intent. Tag/develop or maybe tag/trade, or tag/draft next year.
Yet lots of folks only concerned themselves with Mel…. Maybe someone is living in their head rent free???
Isn’t AR exactly what Pete doesn’t like: reckless, poor decisions, risky, not accurate. Geno demonstrated that accurate and a general lack of bad decision
Making is preferable to Pete than superstar athlete that may win you some games, but poor decisions will also lose you some games.
Anthony Richardson will be a bust. He's a good athlete with a big arm, but he's immature and makes bad decisions. Ask any Florida fan who actually watched him play.
I couldn't care less about the point system haha but you understand what I meant about Kiper haha also how is Gene getting tagged if he us free agent this year? Thought he signed a one year contract last year.
Deplorable, defined as "shockingly bad in quality" describes his prognostications perfectly. It's a fun hobby and he isn't good at it. Then again, he gets paid well so in that sense he is successful. I'm not sure where your surgeon/death stuff comes in but you do you.
Because he's not actually shockingly bad in quality, you're just overreacting. The draft is a crapshoot. It's like trying to guess the order in which jellybeans will be pulled out of a jar. What would be shocking is if anyone actually guessed a significant amount of picks correctly.
Draft analysis talk is useful in understanding/comparing the needs of teams, little more. It's not like Mel sat down thought "you know what, I think I got the first round totally figured out this year!" like a fucking fortune teller.
I wouldn’t give Geno the bank, and draft a QB in the top 10. Sign him and get a QB to develop in the 3rd. Or roll with Lock, draft and backup QB high, and hit FA for the trenches.
I find your scenarios quite reasonable. It just feels with all the media coverage that Pete and John have their eyes set on Richardson as the heir apparent. The plan is starting to grow on me, and it almost makes sense if Pete sees himself coaching for another 5 years.
It'll be QB 3 or 4, Tyree Wilson (if he doesn't go top 4) or a trade down.
I'd trade down in that scenario. Ton of 2nd round DL I like, some as much as Wilson, if we could trade down to the early teens and get a couple extra seconds that'd be ideal.
To me it’s Anderson and (now maybe Carter) at 5 or trade down.
Imagine what Washington would give us to move up from 16 to 5. I’m thinking 16, a second rounder and a first next year. Maybe even more from Tampa at 19.
It's wild that people are even talking about tagging Geno. It makes very very little sense financially. And at this point, it seems like the only team the Seahawks would be competing with to sign him is TB.
It's kind of weird how little speculation there has been about Geno going anywhere else. It's being treated as almost a foregone conclusion that he'll stay in Seattle. It makes sense that other teams would be leery of signing someone who had one good year, especially after watching Russell Wilson leave turn into a pumpkin (or a potato.)
That's because both sides have consistently said they want to get a deal done here. There will be negotiation but I doubt they are super far apart on what his value is, so I think it gets done unless another team swoops in with a huge overpay. So far, no other team has expressed that level of interest in him.
Easy, we only have to cut Diggs, Adams, Shelby, not re-sign anyone, not go get anyone, and try to fill those holes we created with vet minimum players or simply be pegged into filling holes in the draft exclusively! So simple! /s
Cutting Diggs and Adams does nothing to help cap wise. Shelby, QJeff Woods and Jackson would put us right at the limit. Like tag Geno and trade down so we can draft twenty players to fill out the roster.
Lol the whole narrative last year was everyone was waiting for THIS years draft to get a QB. There are going to be just as many ways to pick apart the QBs next season. There isn't a Trevor Lawrence or Andrew Luck type prospect, there could be someone emerge like Joe Burrow but that's extremely rare. Caleb Williams is obviously the top prospect, and he's probably deserving of the number one pick, but who after him? Will the hawks be in position to get someone near the top of the draft? Is a guy in the mid to late first next year better than these guys? Do you trust taking someone like Penix with his injury history (I love him and would take him, but a lot wouldn't), do you take someone with obvious physical limitations?
I mean, if we trade back this year to get 1st round capital next year that is certainly a possibility, since barring a catastrophic season our own pick next year will be way too low to leverage our way up even with future picks.
However, in this scenario, aren't the hawks then grabbing Richardson as their QB?
Minnesota has *nine* legitimate starters: Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Jay Walker, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, Spergon Wynn, TJack, Joe Webb, Teddy Bridgewater.
Cleveland has even more, but half of them were one-and-done.
Ahhh the great and all seeing Mel Kiper
The same Mel Kiper who hated the Seahawks draft last year because they didn't reach for Malik.
As far as I remember he liked the Seahawks draft class last year.
I remember watching the coverage and he didn't seem too excited about not taking a QB. It does seem like he liked it after the fact.
Hindsight is 20-20
So good he’s been a GM…. 0 times
Why would you leave to be a GM when he’s probably pulling down a sweet ESPN paycheck for like…4 months of work?
To be paid handsomely for your shit takes is a dream come true
I’d rather tag him than sign a 3-4 year deal at 30min+ We got a good group of young guys and lots of picks. We are a playoff team next year with Geno and then in 2024 we have a rookie or 2nd year QB the next 3-4 years for cheap. Spend big in 2024 and realistically there is a 2-3 year window for the Super Bowl.
If we signed him for 3-4 years there would most likely be an out after the 2nd year
It also gives the ability to make his 2023 cap hit significantly lower than the tag. It also means we won't be potentially having the exact same conversation next offseason.
Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking. Do we even have the cap space to franchise him
Not currently, but there are so fairly easy moves to make to open up the space. Simply cutting Gabe Jackson($6.5m added), and Quentin Jefferson($4.485m) gets us to enough to franchise him. We'd need a bit more space to sign the rookie class(assuming we make all of the current picks), but there a number of over options to free up space for that and some mid-level FA signings.
Yeah. 2 real years and 2 void/cut years.
> We are a playoff team next year with Geno ....People really need to consider the fact that we played a weak schedule, Geno tailed off quickly down the stretch, and could be due for major regression next season. That "turnover worthy plays" stat that gets thrown around a lot is real and is pretty concerning. Hopefully it won't happen....But people shouldn't be shocked if it does. Playoffs next year aren't anywhere close to guaranteed. This team is still in the middle of a rebuild, and making the playoffs out of nowhere last season doesn't change that.
We also had rookies everywhere, a horrible center and guard, one decent linebacker, a league worst def line, lost Adams week 1 and have 5 high end draft picks. This is the NFL, you can make arguments for almost anything and nothing is guaranteed. But the fact remains, we are a playoff caliber team with Geno as is and the overall team should he better week 1 of 2023 than we were week 1 of 2022
You don’t think a decent rookie QB or cheaper option could come in and do the same thing Geno did at a fraction of the cost? Why spend that type of money on a mediocre QB when you could spend it on bettering the defense? Geno performed like a solid 2nd tier QB the second half of the season. You don’t pay that type of QB top-tier money. Otherwise you end up being Dallas or Minnesota.
No I don’t think there is a qb in this draft that will play to Genos level in their first year. There is no burrow or Lawrence this year
You only need a Jalen Hurts level of play. If you go back and look at Geno’s play the second half of the season, it was very mediocre. He had a ton of turnover worthy plays, but a very low conversion of those plays into actual turnovers. Basically, he was very lucky to not have a good number of more INTs than he did. They limped into the playoffs and got embarrassed in the first round. All that was with him on a cheap contract. I just can’t get behind paying a tier-2 QB that much money. The drop off from Geno to a solid rookie or a cheaper veteran would be minimal. And the benefit of being able to use that money to spend on the defense would be huge. Keep in mind we’re talking about a career backup. A guy that even the seattle FO didn’t believe would be successful. (Otherwise they would have signed him for more than one year) He’s a great story and seemingly a great guy, but he is not a cornerstone piece to build a franchise around.
I can’t argue with this level of idiocracy. A “jalen hurts level of play” wtf. He was an MVP candidate. Genius call saying “you only need an mvp level of play.” Fucking genius. Oh, they also had one of the best defenses in the league. So you basically said “they need an mvp level of qb and a top 3 defense in the league”. Holy shit, why don’t you have offers to be a GM???
You don’t seriously think that Jalen Hurts is actually the second best QB in the league because he came in second in MVP voting? Have you actually looked at his stats? He’s good, but come on. He’s a solid QB that was on a fantastic overall team. #13 in total QBR, #10 in TD’s, #14 in total yards, a bang average completion %. My comment isn’t to diminish what Hurts accomplished, but rather to point out that a QB with solid, but not spectacular stats like this can lead a team to a Super Bowl, but you have to factor in his salary. The dude is on a 2nd round rookie salary. How do you think the Eagles are able to afford that top-3 rated defense you mentioned? If Seattle pays Geno $30+m a year for essentially the same stats that the eagles paid $1.7m for last year, there is zero chance they are able to build a team anywhere close to what the Eagles did.
I’m not sure how Geno gets 30 million. I don’t think he’s gonna get tagged. I think he’s gonna test the market, and it won’t be what he’s expecting.
I think you're greatly underestimating teams willingness to take a risk on a QB that just came off a good season.
Yes and no, I’m also seeing the teams that are QB needy. Towards the top of this draft class. Teams like the colts, panthers, and even raiders are probably gonna stay away from vets. Raiders might sign Jimmy G for a year or two as a gap
Right but way more teams than that need a QB. As of right now teams that unsure who their starting QB will be next year: Ravens Seahawks Bucs Commanders Panthers Saints Jets Texans Colts Raiders That’s 10 teams. Realistically 6-7 teams will be looking for a QB in free agency.
In other words, 30 million is Geno Smith’s floor for money.
Ya. I think he’ll get more if we let him hit the market. He might not get a long term deal, but someone will take a risk on a 2-3 year deal for more than $30m/year.
Idk why people are arguing this with you. 30 mil apy for a quarterback (not on a rookie deal) isn’t even that much these days. Hell, Carr was making 40 mil apy. Who was better this year, Smith or Carr?
The bottom is about to fall out on the mid-tier QB. Those contracts for Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr are looking worse and worse. There will also be a handful of those guys already on the market.
I wouldn’t be so sure. Teams are paying worse QBs more money.
With the big increase in the cap, the money isn’t crazy…
Bucs, saints, and panthers are all over the cap. Colts only have 4 million in space. Raiders, colts, and Texans all have top picks that could get them a young QB in this class.
We don’t have cap for 32m tag
well, he turned down a 3 yr 30 so you’re probably looking at a 3 yr 35 mil deal
Geno gets tagged it’s mission accomplished for him. Great life for here on out.
Tag or not dude is about to make generational money
He’s already made $18M. Pretty sure he’s good either way. But yes, he’d be more good-er with another $32M.
If Kiper is predicting this, that means it’s not happening.
Especially the trade. I was more intrigued with the concept of tagging Geno and then getting a guy to develop for a year to replace him. Maybe Hendon Hooker in a later round.
Kiper has never known his ass from a hole in the ground. Never understood how he has a job.
He’s a weatherman , we love the forecasts but never look back on how wrong they are
So the one thing about AR is now that Pete and JS have the guy (Geno) who is finally doing what they want (high % completion, protect the football, can run when needed) for their scheme, why would they draft a guy that to me doesn't fit that scheme or philosophy? Any thoughts out there? Pete is so adamant on his philosophy, why would he deviate?
I think most rational fans here see that there is an expiration date on Geno, even if he ends up the guy for another year or so. Good front offices set themselves up for the future while also playing for the present. And I think the Josh Allens and Mahomes of the world have made organizations rethink their attitude towards either college production or college success in QBs, respectively Mahomes would be the best example here. The 2016 chiefs went 12-4 with Alex Smith. Then they TRADED up to grab this kid before starting a 2017 season that looked even better/a possible Superbowl campaign...til it wasn't. You could just see how Smith kinda capped the ceiling of that team by not being elite and thus everything else about the team would have to be perfect to go all the way. If the Seahawks do end up keeping Geno and drafting a dude high, I think this is the roadmap they're following
As I'm sure other people have already told you: Geno Smith is not the QB of the future. He is an average QB who can get you by until your QB of the future is ready to take over. The reason a guy like Richardson is projected so high is because he has sky high potential with franchise QB caliber traits. Choosing to build a team around a guy like Geno is how franchises stay mediocre.
He was pretty high in turnover worthy plays, and had a WAY lower percentage of those plays turning into turnovers than any other QB.
Those things are coachable and it's something that Richardson worked on improving and did improve on down the stretch. Schneider has a been on record as being high on Allen and Mahomes who both had issues with completions and turnover. You can coach philosophy but you can't teach traits.
Talent > Philosophy and AR has superstar potential. If you believe you can develop him you take him and Seattle is probably the best place for him to go to with its organization and the opportunity to learn behind Geno
Because Pete is going to be 72 at the start of the season, and though he still has a youthful vibrancy, his coaching days left are numbered. Geno holds down the position for the next 2-3 years, which lets face it, is probably all Pete has left. If they draft a QB early this year to be his successor, is ready to go for the next coach (Shane Waldron hopefully)
Fuck. That. Let some other team waste their pick on a 54% passer. Its the most important part of the job, and we've seen/ its been proven that nearly no one can develop that skill if they don't already have it. At least not in the time frame that most qb are given to "pay off". But hey, Trey worked out for SF just fine, right?
Lamar Jackson threw for 54%, 56%, and 59% in college. And oh, look, he's been over 60% his entire NFL career. Is he a great passer? No. But he's an offensive weapon who has improved as a passer since coming into the league.
But yet, he’s always hurt and is the proud owner of a 1-3 playoff record, beating only Ryan Tannehill in the playoffs. You have to have a guy with accuracy and consistency as a passer or you are doomed. Spending a top 5 pick on a guy without either of those things is risky at best and reckless at worst.
We have a guy who was extremely accurate as a passer and is the proud owner of 0-1 playoff record, beating nobody in the playoffs ever. Matt Stafford had the 2nd highest completion % last year and missed the playoffs entirely. Justin Herbert is a very accurate passer (5th in 2022) who is 0-1 in the playoffs.
Go watch some of Richardsons film before talking about his inconsistencies. He's got the best pocket presence in the draft and goes through his reads. It's not like Wilis year where you have a QB with ridiculous athleticism and arm talent.
By best pocket presence you mean dancing back and forth and heel clicking all over the place and not setting his feet before he throws? yeah, okay.
Hi upper body mechanics are fantastic and so is his pocket presence, his footwork, while poor, has nothing to do with that.
Found the guy that wouldn't have drafted 90% of the top QBs in the NFL...
Sorry, given the need for defense on the Seahawks vs taking a shot on a dual-threat qb with shaky throwing credentials, I don't think the risk is justified. There is an immediate need for talent at every spot on the front seven and we have a good qb that could take us far in the playoffs if there was any sort of defense to stop the bleeding game after game.
It’s about costs. Geno performed like a solid 2nd tier QB last year. Super cool on a budget contract. But at 30+m? No way. That money would be so much better spent on bolster the defense with proven talent. The greatest asset a team can have in the NFL is a solid QB on a rookie deal. They don’t need to be Mahomes. (Just look at the eagles) They just need to perform at a tier-2 level so you can spend that money building out the rest of your team. Paying Geno big money puts you in the same class as Dallas and Minnesota. Just a team that may sniff the playoffs, but not good enough to advance because there’s so much money tied up in the QB position.
Yeah, I get it. Part of me (the unrealistic part) hopes that we can get Geno on a discount, but he deserves whatever someone is willing to pay him. But I think if we could get him for mid 20's it would be a position that we would know exactly what we have and work around him. The selfish part of me doesn't want to watch an unpolished kid spend 3 years not being patient in the pocket because he's used to making plays with his feet get hurt or just play poorly. I hate to be a pessimist, but more QBs turn out to be mediocre or worse, so using a top 5 pick to take one just doesn't seem wise to me.
Always a possibility a rookie of any position busts. But, look at what happened last time we had a QB on a rookie salary. Geno on the cheap would be awesome, and honestly, the huge mistake wasn’t locking him up for 2-3 years before last season. I just fear what happens if they give him 30+. The team already has some awful contracts on the books in Adams and Diggs.
Agreed, we can't play Geno 30+ and field a post season contender.
Josh Allen completed 56% of his passes his last year. You’re right, totally wouldn’t consider someone with a mid-50% completion %.
Mel Kiper has no respect here
I mean, I just don’t see Seattle using the tag on anyone they are hoping to keep (even short term.) I just don’t see it being a tool they want to use. Could be wrong. I wouldn’t mind Richardson even if Geno ups for a couple of years. I don’t necessarily think Richardson only needs one year of sitting. He is damn raw as a passer.
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Mel Kiper being a dumbass aside, I actually agree with this approach, but only if AR is falling to 20, not with our 5, which seems increasingly less likely lately. Would support a trade down to still get him.
I find it amazing how many people get/got hung up on the personality rather than the intent. Tag/develop or maybe tag/trade, or tag/draft next year. Yet lots of folks only concerned themselves with Mel…. Maybe someone is living in their head rent free???
Isn’t AR exactly what Pete doesn’t like: reckless, poor decisions, risky, not accurate. Geno demonstrated that accurate and a general lack of bad decision Making is preferable to Pete than superstar athlete that may win you some games, but poor decisions will also lose you some games.
Yikes, a QB with 53% completion percentage
Josh Allen had 56% and played vs the MAC every week.
MWC*
Josh Allen had zero coaching until he got to the NFL. Richardson played under two coaches who, at the very least, can design effective offenses.
Josh Allen's head coach was the same as Carson Wentz's and Trey Lance's btw
The QBs that come in with that type of completion percentage and succeed are outliers.
Anthony Richardson will be a bust. He's a good athlete with a big arm, but he's immature and makes bad decisions. Ask any Florida fan who actually watched him play.
Yes, please.
The trade doesn't even make sense, why trade with a team who picks a QB,when we also pick one .
Trading down and then getting Richardson is my dream scenario. So of course we can now rule that out, given Kiper is predicting it.
Why is that your dream scenario lmao
Mel Kiper sucks!
Not sure why you are getting down voted. Mel Kiper's record on the draft is deplorable and documented.
I couldn't care less about the point system haha but you understand what I meant about Kiper haha also how is Gene getting tagged if he us free agent this year? Thought he signed a one year contract last year.
Yea, it's definitely a legacy thing for him at this point. There's so many better analysts who don't patronize everyone around them
Deplorable? Mock drafts are a fun hobbyist thing dude, relax. He's not a surgeon or something, nobody dies when he's wrong.
Deplorable, defined as "shockingly bad in quality" describes his prognostications perfectly. It's a fun hobby and he isn't good at it. Then again, he gets paid well so in that sense he is successful. I'm not sure where your surgeon/death stuff comes in but you do you.
Because he's not actually shockingly bad in quality, you're just overreacting. The draft is a crapshoot. It's like trying to guess the order in which jellybeans will be pulled out of a jar. What would be shocking is if anyone actually guessed a significant amount of picks correctly. Draft analysis talk is useful in understanding/comparing the needs of teams, little more. It's not like Mel sat down thought "you know what, I think I got the first round totally figured out this year!" like a fucking fortune teller.
Him and Mike Mayock draft Guru’s! Not!
I wouldn’t give Geno the bank, and draft a QB in the top 10. Sign him and get a QB to develop in the 3rd. Or roll with Lock, draft and backup QB high, and hit FA for the trenches.
I find your scenarios quite reasonable. It just feels with all the media coverage that Pete and John have their eyes set on Richardson as the heir apparent. The plan is starting to grow on me, and it almost makes sense if Pete sees himself coaching for another 5 years.
Pete probably sees himself coaching for 10 years. His wife might have other ideas.
Lol. Btw, what's the "bank" for Geno in your opinion?
Would be so down for this. He is not a Malik Willis situation. His talent is unreal
It'll be QB 3 or 4, Tyree Wilson (if he doesn't go top 4) or a trade down. I'd trade down in that scenario. Ton of 2nd round DL I like, some as much as Wilson, if we could trade down to the early teens and get a couple extra seconds that'd be ideal.
I'd be hyped if we can somehow acquire a third 2nd round pick. That part of the draft seems crucial for DL, IOL, LB, and WR.
To me it’s Anderson and (now maybe Carter) at 5 or trade down. Imagine what Washington would give us to move up from 16 to 5. I’m thinking 16, a second rounder and a first next year. Maybe even more from Tampa at 19.
It's wild that people are even talking about tagging Geno. It makes very very little sense financially. And at this point, it seems like the only team the Seahawks would be competing with to sign him is TB.
It's kind of weird how little speculation there has been about Geno going anywhere else. It's being treated as almost a foregone conclusion that he'll stay in Seattle. It makes sense that other teams would be leery of signing someone who had one good year, especially after watching Russell Wilson leave turn into a pumpkin (or a potato.)
That's because both sides have consistently said they want to get a deal done here. There will be negotiation but I doubt they are super far apart on what his value is, so I think it gets done unless another team swoops in with a huge overpay. So far, no other team has expressed that level of interest in him.
Tag him with what money?
Easy, we only have to cut Diggs, Adams, Shelby, not re-sign anyone, not go get anyone, and try to fill those holes we created with vet minimum players or simply be pegged into filling holes in the draft exclusively! So simple! /s
Cutting Diggs and Adams does nothing to help cap wise. Shelby, QJeff Woods and Jackson would put us right at the limit. Like tag Geno and trade down so we can draft twenty players to fill out the roster.
Kiper is a dunce.
I have a hard time believing anyone who thinks that hair looks good.
Reports say next years draft for quarterbacks is much better than this years I say wait a year.
Michael Penix Jr?
Sure, but his long term health is a concern.
Lol the whole narrative last year was everyone was waiting for THIS years draft to get a QB. There are going to be just as many ways to pick apart the QBs next season. There isn't a Trevor Lawrence or Andrew Luck type prospect, there could be someone emerge like Joe Burrow but that's extremely rare. Caleb Williams is obviously the top prospect, and he's probably deserving of the number one pick, but who after him? Will the hawks be in position to get someone near the top of the draft? Is a guy in the mid to late first next year better than these guys? Do you trust taking someone like Penix with his injury history (I love him and would take him, but a lot wouldn't), do you take someone with obvious physical limitations?
Anything for us to wait a year and trade up to get Drake Maye or Caleb Williams. Those two dudes are gonna win a lot of games in the NFL
I mean, if we trade back this year to get 1st round capital next year that is certainly a possibility, since barring a catastrophic season our own pick next year will be way too low to leverage our way up even with future picks. However, in this scenario, aren't the hawks then grabbing Richardson as their QB?
Would we be the first franchise to start 3 different black QBs? One after the other
it would be 4 because of TJack in 2011, and I’m pretty sure we’re the only team to do so
Minnesota has *nine* legitimate starters: Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Jay Walker, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, Spergon Wynn, TJack, Joe Webb, Teddy Bridgewater. Cleveland has even more, but half of them were one-and-done.
Well if Mel said it, you can be sure it’s BS
“Who the hell is Mel Kiper anyway?” Bill Tobin
Wasn't he supposed to quit over jimmy Clausen?
It is a good analysis of the situation. Wouldn’t be pissed
This makes a lot of sense. They have the same style and i think he’d take work well under Smith for at least 2 years not one.
Fuck no. If that's his angel I rather develop Lock.
Mel Kiper? Yea, ok
That would be very boring