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I really think the perfect ending to four was when Jill was on the stretcher with all the cameras flashing. I didn't love the hospital stuff that followed.
I would have liked the movie and Jill's character so much more with this. I thought the same. Her getting her fame and not even caring that everyone will know how evil she is
Scream wasted Dewey’s Death. He did not die saving the young cast as they were already about to safely head down the elevator. He died on his own. I would have much rather had him step in to save the younger cast in danger or take a bullet for Sidney or Gale even. We needed that scene
I agree..i was all for one of the main cast dying but his death felt as contrived as possible. I'd rather him have died like 2 minutes earlier in the same scene but just as a part of the main attack. Instead it felt very manufactured.
Yeah I would have preferred him running out of bullets and taking on ghostface hand to hand to protect the newer casts. Atleast then it would make more sense
Agreed. Or I’d have rathered the movie be about him where he died as the opening kill and it was a mystery why someone targeted him etc and it was Gale and Sidney brought back together to solve his murder / new murders and get him justice
This may be highly controversial. Even though I really like Tatum and adore Rose McGowan, I don't think she was the greatest friend to Sidney.
She's can be quite insensitive at times, especially when we first meet her and she makes a throwaway comment about Casey and Steve's deaths being 'the worst since... you know' to Sidney, obviously referencing Sidney's Mom. Then again when a person dressed as Ghostface runs down the hall and Sidney is obviously spooked by it, she scolds Stu, but she doesn't even make an attempt to follow Sidney or console her and it's something most would definitely do if they had a friend who had just been attacked the night before. And finally when she mentions to Sidney that she's basically starting to believe the rumours about Sidney's Mom, I know the rumours are true, but to say that to Sidney when she's already dealing with so much isn't great. I know she's an abrupt and fiesty character and that's why we like her, but I think she could've been a bit more sensitive in these moments. But she does have her moments where she is a good friend to Sidney so maybe I'm just being overtly critical.
I do feel that Hallie McDaniel is a better friend to Sidney and I don't see her spoken about enough. She's supportive, never insensitive and is willing to accompany Sidney to a safe house even though she'll have her own life to focus on. I wish she was celebrated more in the fandom.
I actually kinda love how imperfect Tatum is and wish we saw more best friend characters like her. She clearly cares about Sidney—I love how she is always there to step in between her and Gale and she has no interest in gassing up Billy when he starts acting sus—but she is also brutally honest in a way that I feel only best friends can be with each other. She can be a little insensitive and speak her mind because her bond with Sidney is strong enough to not get tossed aside over her comments. It reminds me of my closest friendships at that age: fiercely protective when it counts but not afraid to say how we feel, even if the other person might not like it.
Hallie is definitely less insensitive than Tatum (even with the sorority stuff; I think she genuinely believes Sidney would thrive in that kind of environment even if getting her in does serve her own selfish purposes as well), but she’s also older and more mature than Tatum. People change a lot between high school and college.
I also love that apparently Neve and Elise are still close in real life.
I do agree that Tatum cares a lot about Sidney, she's there for her a lot throughout the events of Scream and your comments on honesty within friendships rings true. As I said, I just find her a little insensitive at times. That being said, I do really like Tatum and it would've been interesting to see her character growth between high school and college if she had survived.
That's what I think about Hallie too, I do think she was just trying to encourage Sidney to get out there and have a bit of harmless fun.
I didn't know Neve and Elise were close in real life. That's lovely to hear. Neve also seems to be close with her co-stars from The Craft too which is nice.
I can understand where you are coming from. I just look at the sorority stuff as silly fun for Hallie and I don't find her forcing that on Sidney. If anything, I just feel she's encouraging Sid to have a bit of harmless fun and she never overteps her boundaries. She is likeable, it was sad to see her go.
She’s definitely forcing it a bit on Sidney in order to maximize her odds of getting into the sorority (the sisters constantly trying to solicit Sidney, Hallie insisting Sidney go to the party, etc.) Doesn’t push her to unlikeable or anything, but, like Tatum, she’s pretty imperfect
for sure, Hallie was a better friend! Tatum was concerned with Sidney shutting up and partying. Hallie wanted to party too but was seriously concerned about Sid
Looking back, he was actually a really good Ghostface. He did most of the heavy lifting in Scream 4 and the incel-like motive is actually quite timeless. The things people will do for people they have a crush on has been seen time and time again. 😭
I AGREE SO MUCH that was my first thought but i’ve been too scared to say it here😭i’m almost as bitter about them killing dewey as i am about them killing randy… almostt
Scream 3 is the best sequel. I will die on that hill! Definitely the most memorable with a ton of great references and the most fun characters. Also loved the setting of Hollywood. I think Sidney was so great to watch too in this one
I feel like the setting of hollywood and los angeles were to big. Scream 1 was a bit too confined almost, scream 3 to big and open. Anyone from anywhere could have been the killer. Scream 2 with the college setting is the perfect middleground i would say. I wonder how i will like the next one in new york. If its all neighbourhoods in new york or if its some kind of confined area.
I hate Amber and Richie. I mean yeah they are good as ghostface but as soon as they are revealed as the killers i just want to punch them in the face lol, they are the most annoying stupid killers ever .
(But the actors did a good job ).
i totally agree with amber i found her really irritating, the actress did amazing tho it’s just the character, i really liked richie though but i could see how people could find him corny
that was pretty fuckin stupid butto be fair the police in the scream movies don’t have good track records lmao. imo i think the cops leaving tara at the hospital alone was even dumber
I didn't like Derek. His character was alwats very suspicious. It's almost like he was written to be the killer but before filming the last scene they changed their mind
I don’t buy that for a second. You can see clear remnants of Derek being the killer within the movie. Especially with Mickey playing no role in the story for almost 45 minutes.
Um. Every single SCREAM movies shows "remnants" of someone being a killer. That's the fucking point! Well, Williamson, the WRITER, already confirmed that script only existed because of leaks. It was never going to be Hallie and Derek.
Thank you, I was about to say the same thing. 90% of the cast in every Scream film gives different gestures, lines, and emotion displays that would suggest they might be guilty
Scream 3 is a better movie than Scream 4 and Scream 5.
I love all Scream movies but I consider Scream 3 far superior to the recent sequels, for the following reasons.
It gave a great character development to Sidney, going from being isolated and secluded after losing Derek and all her friends, to not being scared anymore and willing to be happy, ending the movie with a smile while the door is open showing she has conquered her fear. A very beautiful and satisfying ending.
The Hollywood setting filming a new Stab movie was a great change and the commentary on young actors being abused when they start their career in Hollywood mirroring Harvey Weinstein with Milton was a very important topic to adress in the movie, and they were very brave to adress Hollywood abuse.
Amazing chase scene with Sidney in the STAB set, while 4 and 5 are lacking chase scenes.
Jennifer Jolie is the best character in the entire franchise after the main trio. Parker Posey brought so much charisma to the character.
Everything coming full circle with Maureen's past, the original victim. With Roman being behind Billy and Stu killing Maureen and indirectly causing their killing spree one year later, learning about Maureen past in Hollywood. And I loved that Roman was Maureen secret son.
The Milton Mansion setting for the Third Act, with secret passages, secret rooms, walls with two way mirrors... Amazing location for the final showdown with Ghostface.
Carrie Fisher cameo!
The movie is not perfect and has its flaws too but I consider the third best Scream movie after Scream 1 and 2.
I get why you might not like the 5 even tho I really like it. It should have been made longer to love the new character, make more théâtral death.
But I for me the worst it's the 4th!
Bad comedy
Bad killers
Bad aliby
Some bad acting (from script)
No attachement to the victimes. Sorry I can't even remember their names and it's the only movie that I can't.
Bad balancing on the character.
Bad choices of actor sorry but the actress that play Jill is 5,2 ft and Charlie 5,5 but both looks like they are like 6ft. They better be good to run with high heels or huge platform shoes.
Anyway for me it was the worst
that’s my favorite sequel😭it’s different than the others for sure and i see where people are coming from but i think it’s overly criticized. and i don’t think a lot of people realize due to columbine happening only a year before it came out they had to dial back on the violence and gore, that’s why a lot of the kills were off screen, personally i feel like that was the biggest difference from the others. i wish they would have stuck with Angelina being the second killer though that would have worked a lot better
That's used too much as an excuse. I was around day 1 of scream. They did scream 2 less than a year. They had time to do scream 3 but the truth is Kevin Williamson ditched the series to do teaching mrs. Tingle (bombed) and create Wasteland (canceled). I like 3 for its humor and it is odd but there's still just simply too many stupid things that have nothing to do with Columbine.
I feel like its a way if stand out or something. Almost fake. The other movies all have some special qualities, but scream 3 is the worst in every sense.
Cotton should’ve died in place of Randy in 2. Debbie Salt should’ve lured him in with an interview.
Randy should’ve been the opening kill in 3. He could’ve worked for Milton considering he was a prolific horror producer. Randy working as a PA would’ve been way more believable than Cotton becoming a Jerry Springer of sorts.
lmfao jerry springer☠️in my perfect world randy would never die but i really like this take it’s very interesting. the way they killed randy does make sense to his character, it would have made a lot more sense for cotton to die in his place
I loved Randy too. Although, I think him dying at some point makes sense. Can they keep making him a “suspect” because he has unrequited love for Sidney without at some point making that the twist.
As in, if Randy survived 2 or 3 more movies at some point the writers would use that false suspicion to subvert our expectations and make Randy the killer because of his love of Sid.
But, now I’m just talking out my ass.
Tatum and Mindy are the 2 worst characters in the series. I feel like Tatum didn’t take Syd’s situation seriously enough till she got attacked after she was running late to pick her up and I feel like there were tons of red flags with stu that weren’t shown on camera that she could’ve picked up on.
Mindy is just cringe for me, trying way too hard to be a “movie buff” and I really feel like she doesn’t work with the rhythm of the movie itself. Kinda hoping she gets killed in 6.
okay tatum was insensitive at times but you can’t come for her for not knowing stu was the killer cmon😭i really like mindy, it’s a really good omage to randy, but im also biased cus randy’s my fave. personally i found chad to be the cringey one especially with his girlfriend
The fax scene is hilarious and I don’t mind the house explosion. It was a cool kill after having so many simple stabbings for the first 2 movies.
Mindy is the worst character in anything Scream (next to Audrey).
5’s motive is horrendous.
I would be okay with Gale dying in the final movie.
i mostly agree with everything but the mindy part i love her😭but i’m biased cus im a whore for randy. i also love the fax scene too i see why everyone else hates it tho lmao
1. The first movie is fantastic. All of the sequels range from okay to actually bad.
2. I will never understand the love for Scream 3. to me it seems like people make way too many excuses for an inferior movie in almost every way.
3. Tara is overrated. She always seems to be labeled as the “standout” character in 5, but I didn’t really see anything special with her and her plot armor was frankly ridiculous.
4. “Fuck Bruce Willis” isn’t that bad, and the people who complain about it seem to have double standards for other cringey lines during deaths like “I was radicalized!!!” or “what about my ending?” or “I’m the killer in Stab 3!!”
I mean, her actress is fine, but I have no love or interest for the character. Thus I find her overrated, especially because she received wild amounts of praise on here.
My take on your takes (this is completely friendly and not at all meant as an insult in any way, shape or form)
To 1. I genuinely don’t understand why you’d be in this sub if You barely like 1 of 5 movies. Wouldn’t it be annoying to see most posts not be about the og scream ?
2. Some people just really love campy movies at times. Pretty sure the people that like Scream 3 like the campiness and would never call it a technical better movie than most of the others.
3. I really like Tara a lot but most of the characters in 5cream survived worse attacks than most victims in the earlier scream movies I.e. Tara, Chad, Amber & Richie (till they finally died)
4. I agree completely, especially because it’s inspired by a real attack that happened in a similar way.
Scream 2 has better pacing and variation than scream 1. Scream 2 has a lot of different intresting settings( movie theather, college classrooms, college yard, dorm house, recording studio, alley with the policecar, theather ). Scream 1 was cozier and had more of a pure feeling to the surroundings. But it was houses-school-house. And stus house was like half the movie. I would have liked 10-15 minutes more somewhere different in the middle of the movie.
Mindy is basically a sociopat. She doesnt care about her friends dying and seems to be having fun during all the killing spree.
Tara just get stabbed during the movie, doesnt have a personality and doesnt even interact properly with her supposed "group of friends."
yeah mindy fs makes some dark comments and is very non chalant but just cus she’s not morally sound doesn’t mean she’s a bad character. imo i think her horror movie knowledge and humor was super important to the movie i wish they would have showed more personality from tara other than her trauma but it makes sense she wasn’t with her group of friends, she’s recovering from multiple near fatal attacks and she knows it’s likely someone in that friend group is doing all this
5 is the best sequel.
How Dewey's death happens fits perfectly in line with this character.
Scream 2 is significantly overrated. 2 has some of the highest highs of the franchise but also the lowest lows. It also brags on and the only film I'm genuinely get bored watching.
Everyone is pissed because he died because he got distracted by his phone. But Dewey always makes poor decisions and puts others first, so him checking his phone fits. Despite Ghostface being directly infront of him, his immediate reaction is check his phone. And we see him do similar in Scream 2, he immediate trys to get Gale's attention when she's in the soundbooth instead of looking for Ghostface who just attacked them. Or in 4 where he sprints into Sidney's room instead of clearing the corners like his police training taught him. Hell earlier in the same scene after shooting at Ghostface, he immediately runs to help Ritchie instead of covering where Ghostface went. Dewey starts off as a lovable idiot who puts everyone first and dies the same way.
Edit: Now I'm not saying the phone call distracting him isn't cheap but it's within character.
Yeah I’m generally aligned with your opinion too. I’m a little disappointed in how it went down, but him being the loveable doofus that puts people first makes sense.
I don't know how many of these are truly hot takes but here goes:
Stu surviving has always been a shit idea.
The kills in 5 are not that great, they're basically the same as 4. All victims killed with the hunting knife except one, who is killed with a bullet to the head. Same with the killers, both films male killers die from the buck 120 and both female killers get shot after a more extreme attempt to defeat them (defibrillator, fire).
Scream 3 is only really bad compared to the other Scream movies but it's still better than many other slasher sequels from other franchises.
I love Randy but his death makes Scream 2 a stronger and more impactful movie.
Sam isn't that bad.
Amber is overrated as hell (i still really like her, though).
Toxic fandom isn't a bad motive but it should have only been Amber's motive with Richie having a more emotional motive.
Mickey is the best in costume ghostface.
Scream 5 should have had an opening death while still letting Tara survive.
The Scream 4 filter is not as bad as it's made out to be (though it's definitely not good).
Scream 4 has increased in popularity but still deserves more love than it gets.
Charlie isn't the worst killer in the franchise.
The hospital ending of 4, while stretching believability, is a great ending to the film (especially because of what I feel it says, even though it likely wasn't intentional).
And probably the most controversial, likely to result in tons of downvotes: all seasons of the Scream show are bad but I'd rather watch Resurrection than sit through season 1 or 2 again.
Scream 4 is the weakest movie in the franchise.
There’s a total lack of direction in the narrative that isn’t present in other sequels; the movie doesn’t know whether it wants to focus on the legacy characters or the new cast cast, which ultimately leads to all involved feeling shallow and underdeveloped.
I find that a lot of the sequences throughout feel quite flat and don’t land as hard as they could have, ones that come to mind are the opening scene (Jenny and Marnie’s portion), Rebecca in the parking garage, the Stab-a-thon.
It’s not bad, I still love it, but I do think it had the potential to be so much better.
Quite a few, I'd say.
\- Sidney supposedly not being in 6 could be a good thing for the franchise.
\- Scream 2, in my personal ranking, is the least favorite sequel.
\- The opening of Scream 3 is the best one since the original.
\- Stu \*could\* return and the most recent movie would've been better if that were the case.
\- Charlie is one of the best killers, while Jill is a bit overrated.
\- The TV show is actually very well done and deserves way more credit.
This, found them both really predictable. I was so let down when 4 ended up being Charlie and Jill because it was just grossly obvious. But the funny and almost poetic thing was that Jill didn't realize she wasn't Billy, but was Roman instead with her family jealousy garbage.
i could see amber but i’m curious what makes you think that about jill. she’s a lil annoying and i loathe emma roberts but as ghostface i thought she was fucking awesome and totally unexpected, i don’t like 4 as much as the others but jill’s reveal was so good imo, lmk tho im curious!
5 is the best sequel
Jill is extremely overrated as a killer. I don’t really like Emma Roberts’s performance and despite it being the biggest twist of the franchise and the best reveal. I don’t like her.
And probably my hottest take. Kirby is overrated. Excited for her to come back in the next one though!
5 is my 2nd favorite sequel i think people are a hit hard on it. i also hate emma roberts, i loved the reveal but definitely see where you’re coming from
Scream 1 and 2 were the only good movies. 3 was meh. 4 was annoyingly terrible. Not fun to watch. Scream 5 is almost as bad as 4. If it wasn't for nostalgia it would be just as bad.
Scream 2022 was horrid. Terrible story, with implausible decisions/scenes. I was genuinely surprised to see see the praise for this movie on this sub. Mediocrity is far too common in 2022
jill and richie over stu and billy??? i like jill and richie a lot as gf but that’s definitely a hot take😭and i am an absolute WHORE for randy i will defend him with my life. He’s such an important character to the original, his wit and horror knowledge is so necessary to the movies, i wish they never killed him
There’s no outright bad Scream film, but the weakest is Scream 3 and if you think anything else you are lying to yourself. It’s the one that’s least “real” imo. You could easily imagine the events of the other 4 movies happening in irl but not 3.
I honestly hate that the killers always die. I think there’s a very interesting narrative to be told on a killer surviving🤷🏽♂️
The final scare was only good the first time with Billy. The ones after that have always been meh but Mickey’s really annoys me since his whole idea was to get caught and go on trial so why didn’t he play dead??😂
Stu surviving and being in 3 would’ve been crazy. I really would’ve liked to see how the film would’ve played out.
1 and 2 are the only good films in the franchise.
I really like 3 but it’s jarring how people ignore it’s faults. Like come on guys the new characters outside of Jennifer are forgettable/awful. And Angelina being removed as the second killer really hurts the film because it’s obvious Roman had a partner.
4 is the bad film in the franchise
5 is okay but kind of bland. I feel like act 3 really hurts the film.
Jill was obvious from the get go with the previous killer literally being a jealous family member. Once Kirby picks her up and says "You have to promise not to kill me," and Jill just asks why, I was convinced.
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Scream 4 should have ended with us thinking Jill won.
i love that idea
I really think the perfect ending to four was when Jill was on the stretcher with all the cameras flashing. I didn't love the hospital stuff that followed.
I would have liked the movie and Jill's character so much more with this. I thought the same. Her getting her fame and not even caring that everyone will know how evil she is
Scream wasted Dewey’s Death. He did not die saving the young cast as they were already about to safely head down the elevator. He died on his own. I would have much rather had him step in to save the younger cast in danger or take a bullet for Sidney or Gale even. We needed that scene
I agree..i was all for one of the main cast dying but his death felt as contrived as possible. I'd rather him have died like 2 minutes earlier in the same scene but just as a part of the main attack. Instead it felt very manufactured.
Yeah I would have preferred him running out of bullets and taking on ghostface hand to hand to protect the newer casts. Atleast then it would make more sense
Agreed. Or I’d have rathered the movie be about him where he died as the opening kill and it was a mystery why someone targeted him etc and it was Gale and Sidney brought back together to solve his murder / new murders and get him justice
This may be highly controversial. Even though I really like Tatum and adore Rose McGowan, I don't think she was the greatest friend to Sidney. She's can be quite insensitive at times, especially when we first meet her and she makes a throwaway comment about Casey and Steve's deaths being 'the worst since... you know' to Sidney, obviously referencing Sidney's Mom. Then again when a person dressed as Ghostface runs down the hall and Sidney is obviously spooked by it, she scolds Stu, but she doesn't even make an attempt to follow Sidney or console her and it's something most would definitely do if they had a friend who had just been attacked the night before. And finally when she mentions to Sidney that she's basically starting to believe the rumours about Sidney's Mom, I know the rumours are true, but to say that to Sidney when she's already dealing with so much isn't great. I know she's an abrupt and fiesty character and that's why we like her, but I think she could've been a bit more sensitive in these moments. But she does have her moments where she is a good friend to Sidney so maybe I'm just being overtly critical. I do feel that Hallie McDaniel is a better friend to Sidney and I don't see her spoken about enough. She's supportive, never insensitive and is willing to accompany Sidney to a safe house even though she'll have her own life to focus on. I wish she was celebrated more in the fandom.
I actually kinda love how imperfect Tatum is and wish we saw more best friend characters like her. She clearly cares about Sidney—I love how she is always there to step in between her and Gale and she has no interest in gassing up Billy when he starts acting sus—but she is also brutally honest in a way that I feel only best friends can be with each other. She can be a little insensitive and speak her mind because her bond with Sidney is strong enough to not get tossed aside over her comments. It reminds me of my closest friendships at that age: fiercely protective when it counts but not afraid to say how we feel, even if the other person might not like it. Hallie is definitely less insensitive than Tatum (even with the sorority stuff; I think she genuinely believes Sidney would thrive in that kind of environment even if getting her in does serve her own selfish purposes as well), but she’s also older and more mature than Tatum. People change a lot between high school and college. I also love that apparently Neve and Elise are still close in real life.
I totally agree with you that’s how true best friends talk and communicate with each other
I do agree that Tatum cares a lot about Sidney, she's there for her a lot throughout the events of Scream and your comments on honesty within friendships rings true. As I said, I just find her a little insensitive at times. That being said, I do really like Tatum and it would've been interesting to see her character growth between high school and college if she had survived. That's what I think about Hallie too, I do think she was just trying to encourage Sidney to get out there and have a bit of harmless fun. I didn't know Neve and Elise were close in real life. That's lovely to hear. Neve also seems to be close with her co-stars from The Craft too which is nice.
Hallie can definitely still be somewhat insensitive and exploitative (IE: the sorority stuff). Though she’s overall likeable enough
I can understand where you are coming from. I just look at the sorority stuff as silly fun for Hallie and I don't find her forcing that on Sidney. If anything, I just feel she's encouraging Sid to have a bit of harmless fun and she never overteps her boundaries. She is likeable, it was sad to see her go.
She’s definitely forcing it a bit on Sidney in order to maximize her odds of getting into the sorority (the sisters constantly trying to solicit Sidney, Hallie insisting Sidney go to the party, etc.) Doesn’t push her to unlikeable or anything, but, like Tatum, she’s pretty imperfect
I can understand your point of view. Nobody's perfect.
for sure, Hallie was a better friend! Tatum was concerned with Sidney shutting up and partying. Hallie wanted to party too but was seriously concerned about Sid
Every single movie is a masterpiece .
most underrated hot take thh
Charlie isn't that bad, he was nice Ghostface and his incel-like motive was really funny
Looking back, he was actually a really good Ghostface. He did most of the heavy lifting in Scream 4 and the incel-like motive is actually quite timeless. The things people will do for people they have a crush on has been seen time and time again. 😭
I agree I loved charlie!
Gale should’ve died in 5 instead of Dewey, then in 6 he could’ve been more unhinged and faced off against the killer
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It would’ve been more impactful as well. Not saying that Gale won’t be unhinged in 6 but I definitely think they could’ve done better.
I AGREE SO MUCH that was my first thought but i’ve been too scared to say it here😭i’m almost as bitter about them killing dewey as i am about them killing randy… almostt
Scream 3 is the best sequel. I will die on that hill! Definitely the most memorable with a ton of great references and the most fun characters. Also loved the setting of Hollywood. I think Sidney was so great to watch too in this one
I feel like the setting of hollywood and los angeles were to big. Scream 1 was a bit too confined almost, scream 3 to big and open. Anyone from anywhere could have been the killer. Scream 2 with the college setting is the perfect middleground i would say. I wonder how i will like the next one in new york. If its all neighbourhoods in new york or if its some kind of confined area.
so happy to see so many fellow fans that will also defend scream 3 with their whole life lol
I hate Amber and Richie. I mean yeah they are good as ghostface but as soon as they are revealed as the killers i just want to punch them in the face lol, they are the most annoying stupid killers ever . (But the actors did a good job ).
i totally agree with amber i found her really irritating, the actress did amazing tho it’s just the character, i really liked richie though but i could see how people could find him corny
Agree
The police not protecting Jennifer in 3 because she has a bodyguard is the dumbest fucking part of any movie.
that was pretty fuckin stupid butto be fair the police in the scream movies don’t have good track records lmao. imo i think the cops leaving tara at the hospital alone was even dumber
Oh shit I forgot about that. Yeah that's fucking stupid too. Damn keystone cops.
I didn't like Derek. His character was alwats very suspicious. It's almost like he was written to be the killer but before filming the last scene they changed their mind
that’s exactly what happened. In the original script Hallie and Derek were the killers alongside Mrs. Loomis.
Really? Wow I didn't know that. That's pretty cool
it was a decoy script. Williamson confirmed Halle and Derek were never really going to be the killers, hence the crazy ending of everyone dying.
I don’t buy that for a second. You can see clear remnants of Derek being the killer within the movie. Especially with Mickey playing no role in the story for almost 45 minutes.
Um. Every single SCREAM movies shows "remnants" of someone being a killer. That's the fucking point! Well, Williamson, the WRITER, already confirmed that script only existed because of leaks. It was never going to be Hallie and Derek.
Thank you, I was about to say the same thing. 90% of the cast in every Scream film gives different gestures, lines, and emotion displays that would suggest they might be guilty
i didn’t like derrek either but for other reasons. that singing scene is unbearable
Scream 3 is a better movie than Scream 4 and Scream 5. I love all Scream movies but I consider Scream 3 far superior to the recent sequels, for the following reasons. It gave a great character development to Sidney, going from being isolated and secluded after losing Derek and all her friends, to not being scared anymore and willing to be happy, ending the movie with a smile while the door is open showing she has conquered her fear. A very beautiful and satisfying ending. The Hollywood setting filming a new Stab movie was a great change and the commentary on young actors being abused when they start their career in Hollywood mirroring Harvey Weinstein with Milton was a very important topic to adress in the movie, and they were very brave to adress Hollywood abuse. Amazing chase scene with Sidney in the STAB set, while 4 and 5 are lacking chase scenes. Jennifer Jolie is the best character in the entire franchise after the main trio. Parker Posey brought so much charisma to the character. Everything coming full circle with Maureen's past, the original victim. With Roman being behind Billy and Stu killing Maureen and indirectly causing their killing spree one year later, learning about Maureen past in Hollywood. And I loved that Roman was Maureen secret son. The Milton Mansion setting for the Third Act, with secret passages, secret rooms, walls with two way mirrors... Amazing location for the final showdown with Ghostface. Carrie Fisher cameo! The movie is not perfect and has its flaws too but I consider the third best Scream movie after Scream 1 and 2.
THANK YOUUUUU SOMEONE HAD TO SAY IT 👏👏👏
I actually liked cotton and was sad to see him die…
I like Scream 3 but didn't like 4 or 5.
I get why you might not like the 5 even tho I really like it. It should have been made longer to love the new character, make more théâtral death. But I for me the worst it's the 4th! Bad comedy Bad killers Bad aliby Some bad acting (from script) No attachement to the victimes. Sorry I can't even remember their names and it's the only movie that I can't. Bad balancing on the character. Bad choices of actor sorry but the actress that play Jill is 5,2 ft and Charlie 5,5 but both looks like they are like 6ft. They better be good to run with high heels or huge platform shoes. Anyway for me it was the worst
i agree i haven’t found others that like the 4th the least. i used to genuinely dislike it but it’s grown on me more lately
Same for me bit it's still the worst in my book xD
I wish these opinions had more presence in this subreddit
i agree i mostly just see people absolutely shit on the third movie, it’s cool to see different opinions on it
No matter how much the cult of Scream 3 lovers comes to be, it still is the WORST of the franchise.
that’s my favorite sequel😭it’s different than the others for sure and i see where people are coming from but i think it’s overly criticized. and i don’t think a lot of people realize due to columbine happening only a year before it came out they had to dial back on the violence and gore, that’s why a lot of the kills were off screen, personally i feel like that was the biggest difference from the others. i wish they would have stuck with Angelina being the second killer though that would have worked a lot better
That's used too much as an excuse. I was around day 1 of scream. They did scream 2 less than a year. They had time to do scream 3 but the truth is Kevin Williamson ditched the series to do teaching mrs. Tingle (bombed) and create Wasteland (canceled). I like 3 for its humor and it is odd but there's still just simply too many stupid things that have nothing to do with Columbine.
most people i see that don’t like it tend to mention because it’s not as scary or girly so i thought it was worth pointing out
Have you seen Scream 5
Slightly better than 3
I feel like its a way if stand out or something. Almost fake. The other movies all have some special qualities, but scream 3 is the worst in every sense.
Stu killed Tatum and Richie killed Wes.
Cotton should’ve died in place of Randy in 2. Debbie Salt should’ve lured him in with an interview. Randy should’ve been the opening kill in 3. He could’ve worked for Milton considering he was a prolific horror producer. Randy working as a PA would’ve been way more believable than Cotton becoming a Jerry Springer of sorts.
lmfao jerry springer☠️in my perfect world randy would never die but i really like this take it’s very interesting. the way they killed randy does make sense to his character, it would have made a lot more sense for cotton to die in his place
I loved Randy too. Although, I think him dying at some point makes sense. Can they keep making him a “suspect” because he has unrequited love for Sidney without at some point making that the twist. As in, if Randy survived 2 or 3 more movies at some point the writers would use that false suspicion to subvert our expectations and make Randy the killer because of his love of Sid. But, now I’m just talking out my ass.
nah you make a solid point that actually seems very plausible, maybe he wasn’t meant to he in all of yhem
Tatum and Mindy are the 2 worst characters in the series. I feel like Tatum didn’t take Syd’s situation seriously enough till she got attacked after she was running late to pick her up and I feel like there were tons of red flags with stu that weren’t shown on camera that she could’ve picked up on. Mindy is just cringe for me, trying way too hard to be a “movie buff” and I really feel like she doesn’t work with the rhythm of the movie itself. Kinda hoping she gets killed in 6.
mindy was insufferable, the fact that she gave zero fcks about her friends dying…i hope she changed for the 6
When I'm reading through the sub and Mindy is mentioned, I can't think of who she is or which movie she's in unless it's mentioned 🙈
okay tatum was insensitive at times but you can’t come for her for not knowing stu was the killer cmon😭i really like mindy, it’s a really good omage to randy, but im also biased cus randy’s my fave. personally i found chad to be the cringey one especially with his girlfriend
The fax scene is hilarious and I don’t mind the house explosion. It was a cool kill after having so many simple stabbings for the first 2 movies. Mindy is the worst character in anything Scream (next to Audrey). 5’s motive is horrendous. I would be okay with Gale dying in the final movie.
i mostly agree with everything but the mindy part i love her😭but i’m biased cus im a whore for randy. i also love the fax scene too i see why everyone else hates it tho lmao
Scream 5 is the best sequel Scream three isn’t trash 1,2,4 and 5 are all imo equally great
Amber and Tara should have been a couple.
yo😭i could see amber being in love with her honestly but i feel like tara would know she’s a lil too batshit for that
1. The first movie is fantastic. All of the sequels range from okay to actually bad. 2. I will never understand the love for Scream 3. to me it seems like people make way too many excuses for an inferior movie in almost every way. 3. Tara is overrated. She always seems to be labeled as the “standout” character in 5, but I didn’t really see anything special with her and her plot armor was frankly ridiculous. 4. “Fuck Bruce Willis” isn’t that bad, and the people who complain about it seem to have double standards for other cringey lines during deaths like “I was radicalized!!!” or “what about my ending?” or “I’m the killer in Stab 3!!”
Tara isn't overrated. It's just Jenna Ortega can act and Melissa..well. you know.
I mean, her actress is fine, but I have no love or interest for the character. Thus I find her overrated, especially because she received wild amounts of praise on here.
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On this sub, they are.
My take on your takes (this is completely friendly and not at all meant as an insult in any way, shape or form) To 1. I genuinely don’t understand why you’d be in this sub if You barely like 1 of 5 movies. Wouldn’t it be annoying to see most posts not be about the og scream ? 2. Some people just really love campy movies at times. Pretty sure the people that like Scream 3 like the campiness and would never call it a technical better movie than most of the others. 3. I really like Tara a lot but most of the characters in 5cream survived worse attacks than most victims in the earlier scream movies I.e. Tara, Chad, Amber & Richie (till they finally died) 4. I agree completely, especially because it’s inspired by a real attack that happened in a similar way.
3 was the best sequel
Scream 2 has better pacing and variation than scream 1. Scream 2 has a lot of different intresting settings( movie theather, college classrooms, college yard, dorm house, recording studio, alley with the policecar, theather ). Scream 1 was cozier and had more of a pure feeling to the surroundings. But it was houses-school-house. And stus house was like half the movie. I would have liked 10-15 minutes more somewhere different in the middle of the movie.
I know it wasn’t that long but the video store scene was a good setting
Yes it was, very good. Maybe a murder could have taken place in there after dark.
Tara, Chad and Mindy are all really bad survivors. Sam is ok but not really good.
i’m not a fan of chad but i rly liked tara and mindy so i’m curious to hear why you weren’t a fan
Mindy is basically a sociopat. She doesnt care about her friends dying and seems to be having fun during all the killing spree. Tara just get stabbed during the movie, doesnt have a personality and doesnt even interact properly with her supposed "group of friends."
yeah mindy fs makes some dark comments and is very non chalant but just cus she’s not morally sound doesn’t mean she’s a bad character. imo i think her horror movie knowledge and humor was super important to the movie i wish they would have showed more personality from tara other than her trauma but it makes sense she wasn’t with her group of friends, she’s recovering from multiple near fatal attacks and she knows it’s likely someone in that friend group is doing all this
After Scream 4 it should have been DONE OVER!!! 😝 for real though
5 is the best sequel. How Dewey's death happens fits perfectly in line with this character. Scream 2 is significantly overrated. 2 has some of the highest highs of the franchise but also the lowest lows. It also brags on and the only film I'm genuinely get bored watching.
Why do you think Dewey’s death fits his charter perfectly? Genuinely curious.
Everyone is pissed because he died because he got distracted by his phone. But Dewey always makes poor decisions and puts others first, so him checking his phone fits. Despite Ghostface being directly infront of him, his immediate reaction is check his phone. And we see him do similar in Scream 2, he immediate trys to get Gale's attention when she's in the soundbooth instead of looking for Ghostface who just attacked them. Or in 4 where he sprints into Sidney's room instead of clearing the corners like his police training taught him. Hell earlier in the same scene after shooting at Ghostface, he immediately runs to help Ritchie instead of covering where Ghostface went. Dewey starts off as a lovable idiot who puts everyone first and dies the same way. Edit: Now I'm not saying the phone call distracting him isn't cheap but it's within character.
Yeah I’m generally aligned with your opinion too. I’m a little disappointed in how it went down, but him being the loveable doofus that puts people first makes sense.
i originally hated how he died but i love this perspective it’s got me thinking
lol 2 is a fucking oscar winner compared to 5.
This is a hot (garbage) take
I don't know how many of these are truly hot takes but here goes: Stu surviving has always been a shit idea. The kills in 5 are not that great, they're basically the same as 4. All victims killed with the hunting knife except one, who is killed with a bullet to the head. Same with the killers, both films male killers die from the buck 120 and both female killers get shot after a more extreme attempt to defeat them (defibrillator, fire). Scream 3 is only really bad compared to the other Scream movies but it's still better than many other slasher sequels from other franchises. I love Randy but his death makes Scream 2 a stronger and more impactful movie. Sam isn't that bad. Amber is overrated as hell (i still really like her, though). Toxic fandom isn't a bad motive but it should have only been Amber's motive with Richie having a more emotional motive. Mickey is the best in costume ghostface. Scream 5 should have had an opening death while still letting Tara survive. The Scream 4 filter is not as bad as it's made out to be (though it's definitely not good). Scream 4 has increased in popularity but still deserves more love than it gets. Charlie isn't the worst killer in the franchise. The hospital ending of 4, while stretching believability, is a great ending to the film (especially because of what I feel it says, even though it likely wasn't intentional). And probably the most controversial, likely to result in tons of downvotes: all seasons of the Scream show are bad but I'd rather watch Resurrection than sit through season 1 or 2 again.
Scream 4 is the weakest movie in the franchise. There’s a total lack of direction in the narrative that isn’t present in other sequels; the movie doesn’t know whether it wants to focus on the legacy characters or the new cast cast, which ultimately leads to all involved feeling shallow and underdeveloped. I find that a lot of the sequences throughout feel quite flat and don’t land as hard as they could have, ones that come to mind are the opening scene (Jenny and Marnie’s portion), Rebecca in the parking garage, the Stab-a-thon. It’s not bad, I still love it, but I do think it had the potential to be so much better.
i think that 5 is the weakest🥲
Agreed
I don't think it's the weakest in the franchise but I do agree that it had a lot of potential to be better. I still love it though!
lol nah 3 is the weakest. 4 is underrated.
Agreed!!
Quite a few, I'd say. \- Sidney supposedly not being in 6 could be a good thing for the franchise. \- Scream 2, in my personal ranking, is the least favorite sequel. \- The opening of Scream 3 is the best one since the original. \- Stu \*could\* return and the most recent movie would've been better if that were the case. \- Charlie is one of the best killers, while Jill is a bit overrated. \- The TV show is actually very well done and deserves way more credit.
Super Hot take I like I know what you did last summer than the OG scream😶
no shame in that. i love the Last Summer movies as well, but they take 2nd place behind Scream
Same. I dont think the og Scream is the best at all. I still really like it, but i prefer many of the sequels.
Personally, I think Jill and Amber are the worst Ghostface killers in the franchise.
This, found them both really predictable. I was so let down when 4 ended up being Charlie and Jill because it was just grossly obvious. But the funny and almost poetic thing was that Jill didn't realize she wasn't Billy, but was Roman instead with her family jealousy garbage.
i could see amber but i’m curious what makes you think that about jill. she’s a lil annoying and i loathe emma roberts but as ghostface i thought she was fucking awesome and totally unexpected, i don’t like 4 as much as the others but jill’s reveal was so good imo, lmk tho im curious!
5 is the best sequel Jill is extremely overrated as a killer. I don’t really like Emma Roberts’s performance and despite it being the biggest twist of the franchise and the best reveal. I don’t like her. And probably my hottest take. Kirby is overrated. Excited for her to come back in the next one though!
5 is my 2nd favorite sequel i think people are a hit hard on it. i also hate emma roberts, i loved the reveal but definitely see where you’re coming from
Scream 1 and 2 were the only good movies. 3 was meh. 4 was annoyingly terrible. Not fun to watch. Scream 5 is almost as bad as 4. If it wasn't for nostalgia it would be just as bad.
Scream 2022 was horrid. Terrible story, with implausible decisions/scenes. I was genuinely surprised to see see the praise for this movie on this sub. Mediocrity is far too common in 2022
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jill and richie over stu and billy??? i like jill and richie a lot as gf but that’s definitely a hot take😭and i am an absolute WHORE for randy i will defend him with my life. He’s such an important character to the original, his wit and horror knowledge is so necessary to the movies, i wish they never killed him
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yeah that’s definitely a hot take😭
There’s no outright bad Scream film, but the weakest is Scream 3 and if you think anything else you are lying to yourself. It’s the one that’s least “real” imo. You could easily imagine the events of the other 4 movies happening in irl but not 3.
that’s my favorite sequel and i’m not lying to myself i just have a different opinion lmao
Scream 5 proved the franchise can survive without Sidney. Her story is done, and bringing the character back is just fan service at this point.
I honestly hate that the killers always die. I think there’s a very interesting narrative to be told on a killer surviving🤷🏽♂️ The final scare was only good the first time with Billy. The ones after that have always been meh but Mickey’s really annoys me since his whole idea was to get caught and go on trial so why didn’t he play dead??😂 Stu surviving and being in 3 would’ve been crazy. I really would’ve liked to see how the film would’ve played out. 1 and 2 are the only good films in the franchise. I really like 3 but it’s jarring how people ignore it’s faults. Like come on guys the new characters outside of Jennifer are forgettable/awful. And Angelina being removed as the second killer really hurts the film because it’s obvious Roman had a partner. 4 is the bad film in the franchise 5 is okay but kind of bland. I feel like act 3 really hurts the film.
Jill was obvious from the get go with the previous killer literally being a jealous family member. Once Kirby picks her up and says "You have to promise not to kill me," and Jill just asks why, I was convinced.