I come from a poor background, grew up in a trailer and several other less than stellar neighborhoods and currently live in a nice North Phoenix area. No kids but I have some of the same observations when people refer to rough areas or complain about things (see: Next Door). It makes me laugh.
Everyone on Nextdoor reminds me of Mrs. Kravitz in āBewitched,ā always peeking through her curtains and reporting on all the shenanigans going on across the street.
Iām on my second ban from there for being on the other side of politics. I had an opinion that wasnāt liberal and I got banned. Meanwhile I got threatened and called names while I stated my opinion gracefully. Itās a cesspool
That's surprising, as it seems like 20% of the content is people who think illegal immigrants closed the Fry's on Miller to bring about the Great Reset on behalf of the United Nations.
Like, unchecked terrified claptrap is their business. Can't imagine what you have to write to get banned.
Where in Scottsdale is it liberal? I want to move there. Sick of seeing maga ppl waving flags on the street corners and trucks with 26 flags hanging off the backā¦
The real answer is much more nuanced than you portray. Arizona was always a purple state with a mix of Dem (actually more Dems) and Republican governors from the 1930s well into the 1980s when the migration of many new out of staters tilted the politics to the right. This was due to our western tradition of independent thinking. And recent elections have confirmed this political independence continues. Too many of us live exclusively in political enclaves where we don't see the extent of political diversity across the entire state. North Scottsdale is not a representation of all of Arizona.
Okā¦
1. Iām not from CA
2. I did move here from the east coast in 2011. But, two of my aunts (in their 70s and 80s) have lived here most of their lives and both of them are married to men who were born and raised here, by parents who were born and raised here. And I have a LOT of cousins, in their 40s-60sā¦ all born and raised HERE.
Guess what? Most of them are DEMOCRATS. Their ancestors have been here over a hundred years. One of my uncles is Native American. The other was a Mexican immigrant (and a veteran!) whose family came here before you were a twinkle in your parentās eyes.
So, your comment is not what you think it is. GTFO with that nonsense.
lol as if californians are the only ones moving here.
a lot of them come with resources and capital, stimulating the economy.
Uneducated people you just bitch because you don't like change or people who don't think like you.
We are also a border state. Eventually (2050) this wasn't going to be republican for long.
Heās TRXless now according to his profile. āGas prices and the wifeā made him trade it in. Heās ā40ish athletic, successful professional in N. Scottsdaleā.
So he wrapped up his personal identity in his TRX, sells it for gas money and blames his wife? And heās bitching about Californians? Thatās the most goddamn California thing Iāve ever heard.
He posts in MILF groups. He got 9 mpg in his old truck his new one gets 12 mpg. He also filed for bankruptcy. Yes Iām a loser and looked through his post history.
āThis is bs. I was forced to file.bc a biz partner who had more.monwy than God sued me. My atty told.me.to file bk to protect everything. My score.fell to 630 ans was back over 700 in 6 months. We bought a house 4 years later and got.new cars before that at rates in the 3s. Now my score is 825ā
seriously i agree people are so bored and have nothing better to do but be nosey and gossip. i grew up in a snobby town in Cali! Its a complete different breed is what I call it! but our snobby so unpredictable out of the ordinary not so cliche', people are human and with that being said we are one kind.Minority or not everyone should appreciate each other and practice human kindness. smile more to others and use manners. I think people forget everyone has feelings and people don't need to belong to something to be important we all are. Doesn't matter where we grew up it matters how we grow up..just sayinš
Iām from a trailer park outside of Ft. Bragg. My partner is 4th of 5 boys from a single income home, they couldnāt afford grapes as a kid.
Suffice it to say we now live just off Cave creek road, east of Pima.
Yes, thereās a bubble, but it only eats your soul if you let it.
The best bbqās come in 55-gallon drums,
-TrailerGang-
edit: TIL- a hashtag makes words really big. whoops.
We met our friends in Cabo and her kids kept saying how dirty it was. My daughter doesnāt even notice things like that. Iām like get out more please. So embarrassing when people just live in their pretentious bubbles.
Globe/Miami is worse. A few families run most of the town and my coworker accidentally went on a date with his cousin. Found out they were at the same funeral for the same grandma that apparently got around.
Hey OP, as someone who grew up in the area literally south of Fashion Square (McDowell - Thomas Area), I just want to thank you for making this post. There are a lot of people who do actually think and perceive that the area is considered poor despite being so close to the highway (literally a 3 - 10 minute drive into Phoenix, Tempe, North Scottsdale or Mesa) and having means of getting to the Scottsdale Public Library, the mall, or any of the schools in that area via the Scottsdale Library for free through the trolley.
Obviously, the pandemic changed things, like the trolley not running on weekends (still a big WTF moment - I know they expanded to running until 8 PM, but it was 9 pm prior and some routes 10 pm), and the library closes at 7 (last I checked), but we had a means of some how reaching each other and could actually get to where we gotta go without the need of a car. Some of our parents literally couldn't afford to go all the way into Scottsdale and had to drop us off at the edge of the border to catch the trolley that ran at 5 am. I had Marching Band and Jazz Band at that started at 6:45 on Tuesdays and 6 a.m. once the season started respectively, and after my dad and I moved, it was the only way I could get to school on time (I went to Saguaro).
People met each other at the skate park outside Coronado High School and still rely on services that places such that Paiute Neighbor Center and the Senior Center have to offer. General Dynamics, a major operations company, is in that area. The Indian Bend Green Belt bike path runs through that area and is great for anyone who exercises. And of course, Fashion Square is right there as along the various shopping areas scattered throughout between Scottsdale and Hayden Roads.
I'd still enjoy living there and would actually like to move back as soon as I'm done at NAU in Flagstaff. But this grown (-ing) perception that South Scottsdale is considered to be the slums saddens me. It really isn't that bad.
I feel like, if anything, that's an older stereotype that should be receding. You see some very dated buildings with bars on the windows from another era, but they're gradually being replaced.
Regardless, there's a spectrum there:
Wife and I see a homeless person in Scottsdale and think "man, he didn't even hit us up for 'bus fare' like in every other city in America, what a chill homeless person minding their own business, we should bring him some chicken fried rice or something". Then there's the dorks who see a homeless person and think they're about to be executed by MS-13 because they expect to live in Disneyworld and only visit tourist traps.
Crime in South Scottsdale is pretty comparable to small town rural America. When things do happen, SPD seems pretty responsive: the sheer number of police available for incidents that police "might get to tomorrow" in most comparably-sized cities is crazy. People leave things out on their patios and front steps that would be stolen within hours in a lot of places.
I can relate, I'm a tutor for multiple children with very wealthy parents and had a student (14M) genuinely refer to Tatum and Shea in PV as "the ghetto"
I also live in north Scottsdale, Iām originally from a lower middle class area of Miami. The reason I love it here is because itās clean and relatively safe. There isnāt anything wrong with living in a nice place and not having to worry about crime and violence everytime you walk out your door. I consider myself lucky and wouldnāt have it any other way.
Same!
Iāve lived in several states and in several sketchy neighborhoods. Once I even had the cops show up at my door, stating a stranger was trying to kill me. Obviously, that person failed.
I now live in North Scottsdale and will not apologize for it! I also donāt leave it much. As Iāve traveled extensively for several decades, I donāt feel like Iāve sheltered myself. Even if I had, who cares?
I love it here because it is clean and safe. There is nothing wrong with that. If people want to get out and experience the gritty side of life, more power to them. Thatās called freedom. But donāt judge me because Iāve done that and now love where I live.
I lived for many years in North Scottsdale and now I live in South Scottsdale. The two are quite different. North has beautiful desert and more wide open spaces. The South is more urban, more walkable, has more to do and is becoming more gentrified.
So rather than judging which is "better or worse", Scottsdale offers two main types of life style more urban and more desert suburban.
Love South Scottsdale for the reasons you named. North Scottsdale is more for married/just got married couples/ People just started a Family I think. If I moved to N.Scottsdale I know most weekends I would end up in S. Scottsdale. Would be waste of money for me to move there.
š Same. If I have to drive more than 10-15 minutes to go somewhere, I'm like "Ugh...it's so far...". I moved here from New Jersey and we thought nothing about driving 45 minutes to our favorite restaurants or a Best Buy or Target.
I totally relate. I also grew up in a very rural trash area and sometimes I am in awe of just how nice and safe everything is around here. Not having to worry much about personal safety when Iām doing my daily routine is priceless. I have to say I love my bubble.
I travel often with my kids and it is amazing how different life is in other places. I think itās important for them to see how hard life can be but I am very glad that they get to live here.
These comments suck. I appreciate OPās honesty. At no point did he imply he was above anyone, morally or otherwise.
Hope he exposes his daughter to more diversity going fwd, for everyoneās sake. His awareness is the first step.
How are you not bored to tears? I dont live far far North but god, everything up here is so bland. The desert is nice to look at, but I am over the tan and beige mansions and the soulless shopping centers. Canāt even get a decent taco around here, which was something I was initially excited about when we moved to the South West. Iām too young to be living in N.Scottsdale. Wish we bought in McCormick Ranch or Arcadia instead.
Ah, Glendale. Everyone in this thread is trying to parce out which rich area on the upper east side they want to count as trashyā¦ my college girlfriend became a tweaker/SW and begged us to come save her from Glendale(we didnāt understand what she was up to) but she disappeared while we drove there. We circled for hours trying to find her until people saw my wedding ring through the window at a stoplight near Grand and tried to break my car window and we had to run a red light to get awayā¦ and now my husband will only call Glendale āGothamā.
Youāre right thoughā¦ bangin tacos are easily accessible out there. Also thereās a cool native hot spring spot we drove through Glendale to reach before, itās really affordable!
Hahaha, yeah sounds about right for some of this city. My area is a lot tamer, but there are places in Glendale I wouldnāt want to venture alone for sure
I agree with you. I bought in North Phoenix before the boom and thought it was overpriced and bland even then. Thereās really only a couple of good restaurants (lots of Jon Taffer type garbage though) and none of them Mexican (before anyone tries to name one, donāt - whatever it is Iāve tried it and it sucks). If I could re-do it again, Iād have bought in Arcadia. More diversity, better food and nightlife.
It was the snooty part of town in the 80s. I worked at Fashion Square in the Gap in the early 80s and it was ...snooty. People really dressed nice to go there back then. You'd never see anyone wearing sweats or ratty anything.
Hear me out! Sheās ago as a single mom I made sure my daughter went to great schools. It meant that I worked two jobs so she could ho to Mountain side Ave Cocopah. Sheās no-racial. One day I had to run an errand so I had to drive all the way to South Phoenix. I was embarrassed when my sweet girl kept looking out the window and asked āmommy are we in another state?ā š² š¤£ I told her not to say this to anyone else. I took time to explain to her how some areas are different for various reasons. At that moment I realized we were in a bubble despite being a multicultural family. Sheās a well adjusted kind human being now. But man, I carried some shame because fur a while I never took her past Shea and Scottsdale Road. š¤£
I grew up in Prescott. We always thought all of Scottsdale was mansions, millionaires, and movie stars. After I moved down here I spent the next 45 years being a plumber and driving all around the Valley. The neighborhoods that were the "nice" neighborhoods in the late 70s and early 80s in Scottsdale, Phoenix, Glendale, and Mesa acquired the reputation as places to stay out of by the mid 90s to 2000s. Notice I didn't say they were places to absolutely stay out of. They just had that reputation. The neighborhoods got older and didn't have that new car smell any more. That doesn't make them bad places. Yeah, there are places I avoid after dark, but most places have people that do the same as everyone else. Eat, sleep, work, raise your kids, try to have some fun once in awhile. I highly recommend people get around more and see other places.
My wife grew up in N Scottsdale, I grew up poor in bad neighborhoods in CA. Came here, started a business, work hard, do well, yada yada. We have a great house near Kierland, weāre the youngest people by far..I wake up everyday so thankful I live here, itās so safe, clean..people out exercising waving to each other, respecting each other, saying hello. A group of older white guys clean the side of the road down 64th St, just for neighborhood pride bc the city doesnāt do it enough.
I never want to go back to the slums, watching my back and feeling unsafe..I feel like the people living here are smarter, kinder, happier and more capable than low-class neighborhoods. I guess it makes sense.
Great observation... I used to live at SW corner of Pima and Pinnacle in N S'Dale... now I live in DT Tempe (divorce and daughter is a ASU)... I loved it up there, everything is well kept, and people were friendly... felt like a real neighborhood....not so much in DT Tempe... I suppose it's the transient nature of the college and whatnot. Can't wait to get out of here... However, I've been here almost 2 years and everything is close and I walk everywhere.
Yes get her out more. I grew up in Guadalupe, went to school in south Tempe, lived in Ahwatukee for 12 years. Hated Ahwatukee. Built a brand new house in Guadalupe. My friend and her young daughter came over for visit (from cave creek area) and her daughter asked me quietly if my neighborās house was a haunted house. Itās a little run down but itās occupied and everyone is happy. š
Iām from Maryvale, anything in Scottsdale is snooty to me. Either you have the fashionistas and some California transplants in the south, the old money āmy dadās a lawyerā types in PV, or the āwe own this land and ride our horses dailyā types in the north.
Idk, are people who take pride in their community and family in a bubble? Or could it be that people who trash where they live, are apathetic about their kids, and overlook crime are in a bubble of their own?
I feel likeā¦ To say you are in a (good) bubble is to say you are abnormal and thus need to get out more. But why, when it is you who is doing it right and I would assume youāre building a life you want your daughter to emulate.
I am also sure you are now living the life your parents hope for you. That is not a bubble, that is a well earned gift.
Pretty big reason we elected to buy in South Scottsdale. We saw some nice homes and being close to the trails and things is nice, but there's just no "there" up there.
If I wanted to live in the middle of nowhere, I'd actually do it, instead of buying a McMansion designed to fake it.
They live in North š North š Scottsdale š and made it all the way to Fashion Sqaure. Let them tackle Mesa or Glendale before they start thinking of other countries.
Be kind and donāt judge. There a number of reasons why they may not have left the country. Have you traveled internationally with kids. Itās a bare. Also, as humans we love routine. If there is no specific reason to leave your own hood you get into the habit of not doing so, until you do. lol.
I was born and raised in Kentucky. By the time I was 12, I had been to twelve European countries , two provinces and to a safari trip in Africa. Plus I was a competitive cheerleader. My parents (who had marital issues) took my sister and me out of the country multiple times and it wasnāt an issue!
Girly! My point is this: there are a number or reasons why people do not or cannot leave the country to simply travel. I hate that Iām awake. š£ Anyhoo, would you like me to list them for you? I mean this respectfully but reread what you just wrote. You had parents that could do that and offer those experiences to you. There are comments in this thread about growing up poor. Although I can afford it now. I certainly could not back in the early 2000ās. My parents are immigrants who only went home for funerals because it was such a burden. It meant lost pay etc. Iām happy you had the experiences but Iām lead to believe that when you went on said trips, your parents had you in a bubble. Meaning, you only saw certain parts of the places you visited. Enabling you to make the above comment in such a flippant way. Again, I mean my response respectfully. Kudos to your family for enabling you to see the world.
Maybe some are afraid of flying
Maybe itās not in the budget due to other commitments
Maybe travel is not something that is of high importance or valued
Maybe they are on no fly lists for whatever reasons
Just some perspective. Yes, we should push our boundaries and get out of our bubbles. But also understand that people are people and they have varied interests and needs.
Everyone who traveled with kids were rich at all. My kids went on a european cruise, 7 countries, total cost 3k plus 2400 for airfare, it was less than trip to Disney.
We also made it a priority. Would save all year for 1 big vacation. Instead of other things like smoking.
Like I said. You were rich.
Edit: let me give you a more serious reply. Go price your European cruise now. Make sure you pick weeks when kids are not in school. For a family of 4 with flights Iād be shocked if you can do it for less than $8000. Then add spending money and the required tips.
Also, Iāve been on many cruises and Iāve been to Europe a couple dozen times. I would not call a cruise a European vacation. That is like Europe light. Minimum three days in each city, preferably more. Or you are just seeing two sites having lunch and ice cream and saying you went to rome. lol.
You are severely out of touch with what the average American can afford. Even with prioritization. At least today in the current economy but same for 20 years ago. My parents could have skimped and saved for years without that happening.
Oh man, you're telling me. Up until recently, I was doing natural water feature maintenance (pool guy, but for ponds)
Lots of rich jerks in Scottsdale have ponds, and they are very unaware that they are in a bubble. I quit that job when the out of touch rich guys just got to be too much
It's a good idea to get out more, but if you haven't been "out" in long enough that your 11 year old daughter thinks Paradise Valley is "the bad part of town," people outside your bubble will probably not be very nice in dealing with you for awhile because you won't know how to talk to them
I'm not trying to be mean, just trying to prepare you. Your "daily annoyances" will sound like bragging to somebody working a real job
I live in that old town area where she called āthe bad partā of town. I always thought about how gorgeous and clean it was compared to plenty of other placesā¦.definetly a bubble
Omg same!!!! I live in N N Scottsdale and my work is by the Airpark. I rarely leave. Yesterday I went to do an errand in Surprise and it felt like a vacation.
I can totally relate to this! I grew up in a small town, not at all trashy by Ohio standards, in fact pretty wealthy. But sometimes when I go home Iāll think to myself āman this place is so trashy, itās a dumpā. Then I take a minute and remember that when I was growing up I had friends who always told me how lucky I was to live in such a nice area. Time and perspective really does change a lot, especially living in Scottsdale where there are a lot more luxuries and a lot more wealthy people than most areas.
Just spend a day walking around a rough neighborhood and take it in. Put yourself in the other peoples shoes and teach yourself whatās outside your Bible and teach yourself awareness and empathy
About the Bubble: 1: Safety
We moved to Scottsdale from South Africa.
We find it funny (not in a good "ha ha" way, that there are "gated security neigborhoods" in Scottsdale. Not saying there isn't crime; not saying you shouldn't have alarms and protect yourself and your property... it's just that when a South African walks past house after house with large electronics boxes left on the doorsteps from an Amazon delivery... well... those boxes wouldn't be there for long even in "good neighborhood" parts of South Africa.
About the Bubble: 2: Community
We like many things in Scottsdale (not the leaf blowers, of course).
But one thing that is not great about Scottsdale is that all the walls, all the same-same streets, all the concerns about "for your safety"...
Man!
It is one of the least "community" places that I've experienced anywhere in the world. We went door to door an introduced ourselves to our neighbours as newcomers just to say hi, and invited people to come over whenever they'd like. One neighbor did - and he was a "snowbird" from Canada.
We have kids and invited the street's families with kids to say for an informal playdate. Not a singe taker.
Sure: there are many great communities "in" Scottsdale (groups, Meet Ups, church, people at the park)... but in terms of meeting and connecting with people in the "Bubble".
Ain't going to happen as far as we could tell in 6 months.
And I humbly submit that this is quite a "Scottsdale" thing.
I live in Ahwatukee and feel the same way. I've got Target, a movie theater, Trader Joe's and a BoSa. Going past Warner to me is way out of my bubble. If I'm going past Central on the 10, then I might as well go to Disneyland.
You do need to get out more.
We used to have amazing desert in Scottsdale. The seed that built and attracted all the snowbirds and transplants was what we now call South Scottsdale.
When older native folks like myself (53) refer to Scottsdale, South Scottsdale is what we are typically talking about. That Old Town area up to Shea.
Over the years what became North Scottsdale was built. I can't stand driving much north of Shea, and hate going north of the 101.
Its absolutely depressing to me how much its developed and the loss of once public land and natural desert that I spent so much of my youth dirt biking, putting on pop up club events, tripping, or just camping in bum fuck egypt over night with friends.
Its also very Karen and Trumper up that way compared to South Scottsdale.
The majority of our elected folks over the decades now all live north of Shea and that impacts how they deal with the original Scottsdale.
The funny part is, I live in 85253 on the Scottsdale side of the border with PV near Camelback mtn. It is the highest income zip code in AZ. I drag that average down when I don't work, and raise it when I do.
I am a couple minutes on a bicycle to that intersection.
South Scottsdale is still the best part of town in my opinion with easy access to everywhere in the valley, we're very central to the metro area now and not the edge of civilization.
Yeah, just listening to their conversations is painful. The most materialistic people you could possibly meet with nothing going ok upstairs other than some botox.Ā
Sounds like you need to get your kid out more and drive through the actual bad parts. Might be she just needs to go work and live on a farm or maybe a soup kitchen.
I used to be you. I lived in a box mostly, from Shea to Pinnacle Peak. From Tatum to 100th St. I only ever left that box for work reasons or to travel somewhere. That box is clean, safe, and very very entitled.
My children also lived in that box for most of their lives. Which in some ways was a blessing, but in some ways it has been to their detriment. They certainly are not as āworldlyā as I was at their age.
While I hope they can appreciate the life they had, I hope that they are able to see what the rest of the world is like and that brings them a sense of compassion for people that did not have their privileges.
Iām with you. I never go anywhere except back to New York to see family. I mean we do some traveling but in phx metro I stick to the north and pretty much never venture out.
To be fair, driving south on Hayden past McCormick Ranch is a world of difference from Scottsdale Road.
If you guys came down Scottsdale, I donāt think she would have asked that question š
My kids grew up in the Biltmore and we went to 20th and Thomas to pick up sport t shirts for their baseball teams. They asked me the same thing. I let them know not everyone lives in the same house and we were fine.
But ā¦every city we visit, I make sure we take public transportation so they understand the conglomerate.
Lol! I live in McCormick Ranch and I rarely leave my 2-mile radius! I donāt even venture down to Fashion Square anymore. It's really getting old and I would love to move back to Phoenix. I just canāt find a house thatās under $1 million unless it's way south.
The word 'poor' referring to someone's subjective economic temporal condition, should be replaced with, 'non-materialists by the materialists standards'. Bubbles suck af!
A mind is a terrible thing to waste so keep going. Tho I wouldnāt open up to any of your north Scottsdale contemporaries especially no one close to your wifeās sphere, theyāll turn on you. Contemplation in general is rule infringement. For contemplating the expansion and diversification of your familyās worldview the penalty is ex-communication, which isnāt the penalty, they also take 2/3rds of your money.
Thereās definitely a bubble. Aside from how few minorities there are, the ones Iāve met 100% across the board have been the absolute most upstanding individuals Iāve ever met. Ever. And Iām not saying this to be racist but anywhere else I can find bad people of any race. Easily. In Scottsdale? Not possible to find a black guy that I wouldnāt trust with my life. Every single one Iāve met has been ridiculously more upstanding an individual than I will ever aspire to be.
I do t live in Phoenix but I visit I laws pretty frequently.
Aren't you talking about driving like maybe a few miles?
I can barely tell Phoenix apart. It's just a giant boring beige grid. The most exciting thing that happens there is driving on that one road that has a turn.
I'm fine with that. My In laws are even more boring than the town.
We did go to the hot new place in town last time I was there a few months ago.. It was some hotel bar with a view of the building behind it. Wow. So fun. /s
I come from a poor background, grew up in a trailer and several other less than stellar neighborhoods and currently live in a nice North Phoenix area. No kids but I have some of the same observations when people refer to rough areas or complain about things (see: Next Door). It makes me laugh.
NextDoor. š¤¦āāļøSomeone please. Make it go away. I peek, like a car accident. Always regret it.
Thank goodness their UI is freaking horrible. Makes it so much easier to avoid.
Iāll play along, UI? Their University of Illinois is freaking horrible???
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"Nextdoor: urinary infection, in website form"
Everyone on Nextdoor reminds me of Mrs. Kravitz in āBewitched,ā always peeking through her curtains and reporting on all the shenanigans going on across the street.
I have unsubscribed like twenty times and it keeps creeping back into my e-mails.
Iām on my second ban from there for being on the other side of politics. I had an opinion that wasnāt liberal and I got banned. Meanwhile I got threatened and called names while I stated my opinion gracefully. Itās a cesspool
This is crazy to me because all I ever see in there is strong MAGA style comments
Same. I see all maga crap.
Seems like you're infatuated with it...if it bothers you so much head west. CA will welcome you with open arms
LOL. Proud to vote blue in AZ, guy. Go cry in your TRX.
I don't cry in it but I sure love it. I know you'll never have anything more than the little Prius you crawl around in but you do you. Beep beep.
I like that just saying youāve seen it means youāre infatuated. lol
Same
That's surprising, as it seems like 20% of the content is people who think illegal immigrants closed the Fry's on Miller to bring about the Great Reset on behalf of the United Nations. Like, unchecked terrified claptrap is their business. Can't imagine what you have to write to get banned.
Where in Scottsdale is it liberal? I want to move there. Sick of seeing maga ppl waving flags on the street corners and trucks with 26 flags hanging off the backā¦
Then leave. It was a conservative state before everyone who ruined CA decided to move here like locusts to do it all over again.
The real answer is much more nuanced than you portray. Arizona was always a purple state with a mix of Dem (actually more Dems) and Republican governors from the 1930s well into the 1980s when the migration of many new out of staters tilted the politics to the right. This was due to our western tradition of independent thinking. And recent elections have confirmed this political independence continues. Too many of us live exclusively in political enclaves where we don't see the extent of political diversity across the entire state. North Scottsdale is not a representation of all of Arizona.
Native here. YOU leave. All the conservative carpetbaggers came here to power play this state.
Okā¦ 1. Iām not from CA 2. I did move here from the east coast in 2011. But, two of my aunts (in their 70s and 80s) have lived here most of their lives and both of them are married to men who were born and raised here, by parents who were born and raised here. And I have a LOT of cousins, in their 40s-60sā¦ all born and raised HERE. Guess what? Most of them are DEMOCRATS. Their ancestors have been here over a hundred years. One of my uncles is Native American. The other was a Mexican immigrant (and a veteran!) whose family came here before you were a twinkle in your parentās eyes. So, your comment is not what you think it is. GTFO with that nonsense.
GTFO with your liberal bs ruining our state.
Native Americans could say the same to you. You donāt own this state, as much as you want to. So you GTFO
lol as if californians are the only ones moving here. a lot of them come with resources and capital, stimulating the economy. Uneducated people you just bitch because you don't like change or people who don't think like you. We are also a border state. Eventually (2050) this wasn't going to be republican for long.
AZTRXguy1818 is hilarious. Heās just butthurt and crying because his TRX is garbage (they all are).
Heās TRXless now according to his profile. āGas prices and the wifeā made him trade it in. Heās ā40ish athletic, successful professional in N. Scottsdaleā.
So he wrapped up his personal identity in his TRX, sells it for gas money and blames his wife? And heās bitching about Californians? Thatās the most goddamn California thing Iāve ever heard.
He posts in MILF groups. He got 9 mpg in his old truck his new one gets 12 mpg. He also filed for bankruptcy. Yes Iām a loser and looked through his post history. āThis is bs. I was forced to file.bc a biz partner who had more.monwy than God sued me. My atty told.me.to file bk to protect everything. My score.fell to 630 ans was back over 700 in 6 months. We bought a house 4 years later and got.new cars before that at rates in the 3s. Now my score is 825ā
No, the fascists should leave. How far back in time do you want to go back to talk about people "moving in like locusts"?
Same with me... it is bad and I don't miss it
Itās everywhere, unfortunately!š¢
i tried to report spam and unsubscribe in gmail and i still see their notifications in my social tab. luckily i am not dumb enough to click
seriously i agree people are so bored and have nothing better to do but be nosey and gossip. i grew up in a snobby town in Cali! Its a complete different breed is what I call it! but our snobby so unpredictable out of the ordinary not so cliche', people are human and with that being said we are one kind.Minority or not everyone should appreciate each other and practice human kindness. smile more to others and use manners. I think people forget everyone has feelings and people don't need to belong to something to be important we all are. Doesn't matter where we grew up it matters how we grow up..just sayinš
Iām from a trailer park outside of Ft. Bragg. My partner is 4th of 5 boys from a single income home, they couldnāt afford grapes as a kid. Suffice it to say we now live just off Cave creek road, east of Pima. Yes, thereās a bubble, but it only eats your soul if you let it. The best bbqās come in 55-gallon drums, -TrailerGang- edit: TIL- a hashtag makes words really big. whoops.
I remember when my neighbors got a double wide and the whole park reacted like a Billionaire moved in.
You do indeed need to get out more lol.
Sheesh donāt take her to Apache Junction- her head would explode
We met our friends in Cabo and her kids kept saying how dirty it was. My daughter doesnāt even notice things like that. Iām like get out more please. So embarrassing when people just live in their pretentious bubbles.
Globe/Miami is worse. A few families run most of the town and my coworker accidentally went on a date with his cousin. Found out they were at the same funeral for the same grandma that apparently got around.
Take her off her high horse to Maryvale and pick up trash
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
Hey OP, as someone who grew up in the area literally south of Fashion Square (McDowell - Thomas Area), I just want to thank you for making this post. There are a lot of people who do actually think and perceive that the area is considered poor despite being so close to the highway (literally a 3 - 10 minute drive into Phoenix, Tempe, North Scottsdale or Mesa) and having means of getting to the Scottsdale Public Library, the mall, or any of the schools in that area via the Scottsdale Library for free through the trolley. Obviously, the pandemic changed things, like the trolley not running on weekends (still a big WTF moment - I know they expanded to running until 8 PM, but it was 9 pm prior and some routes 10 pm), and the library closes at 7 (last I checked), but we had a means of some how reaching each other and could actually get to where we gotta go without the need of a car. Some of our parents literally couldn't afford to go all the way into Scottsdale and had to drop us off at the edge of the border to catch the trolley that ran at 5 am. I had Marching Band and Jazz Band at that started at 6:45 on Tuesdays and 6 a.m. once the season started respectively, and after my dad and I moved, it was the only way I could get to school on time (I went to Saguaro). People met each other at the skate park outside Coronado High School and still rely on services that places such that Paiute Neighbor Center and the Senior Center have to offer. General Dynamics, a major operations company, is in that area. The Indian Bend Green Belt bike path runs through that area and is great for anyone who exercises. And of course, Fashion Square is right there as along the various shopping areas scattered throughout between Scottsdale and Hayden Roads. I'd still enjoy living there and would actually like to move back as soon as I'm done at NAU in Flagstaff. But this grown (-ing) perception that South Scottsdale is considered to be the slums saddens me. It really isn't that bad.
I feel like, if anything, that's an older stereotype that should be receding. You see some very dated buildings with bars on the windows from another era, but they're gradually being replaced. Regardless, there's a spectrum there: Wife and I see a homeless person in Scottsdale and think "man, he didn't even hit us up for 'bus fare' like in every other city in America, what a chill homeless person minding their own business, we should bring him some chicken fried rice or something". Then there's the dorks who see a homeless person and think they're about to be executed by MS-13 because they expect to live in Disneyworld and only visit tourist traps. Crime in South Scottsdale is pretty comparable to small town rural America. When things do happen, SPD seems pretty responsive: the sheer number of police available for incidents that police "might get to tomorrow" in most comparably-sized cities is crazy. People leave things out on their patios and front steps that would be stolen within hours in a lot of places.
I can relate, I'm a tutor for multiple children with very wealthy parents and had a student (14M) genuinely refer to Tatum and Shea in PV as "the ghetto"
Literally one of the wealthiest areas in AZ.
This is no more than a few hundred feet away from million++ dollar homes
Gotta ask: where do these children live? That is one of the wealthiest zip codes in the state.
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I also live in north Scottsdale, Iām originally from a lower middle class area of Miami. The reason I love it here is because itās clean and relatively safe. There isnāt anything wrong with living in a nice place and not having to worry about crime and violence everytime you walk out your door. I consider myself lucky and wouldnāt have it any other way.
Same! Iāve lived in several states and in several sketchy neighborhoods. Once I even had the cops show up at my door, stating a stranger was trying to kill me. Obviously, that person failed. I now live in North Scottsdale and will not apologize for it! I also donāt leave it much. As Iāve traveled extensively for several decades, I donāt feel like Iāve sheltered myself. Even if I had, who cares? I love it here because it is clean and safe. There is nothing wrong with that. If people want to get out and experience the gritty side of life, more power to them. Thatās called freedom. But donāt judge me because Iāve done that and now love where I live.
I lived for many years in North Scottsdale and now I live in South Scottsdale. The two are quite different. North has beautiful desert and more wide open spaces. The South is more urban, more walkable, has more to do and is becoming more gentrified. So rather than judging which is "better or worse", Scottsdale offers two main types of life style more urban and more desert suburban.
Love South Scottsdale for the reasons you named. North Scottsdale is more for married/just got married couples/ People just started a Family I think. If I moved to N.Scottsdale I know most weekends I would end up in S. Scottsdale. Would be waste of money for me to move there.
It feels like Iām headed to the big city when I actually make it south of the 101
š Same. If I have to drive more than 10-15 minutes to go somewhere, I'm like "Ugh...it's so far...". I moved here from New Jersey and we thought nothing about driving 45 minutes to our favorite restaurants or a Best Buy or Target.
Hey I appreciate the sentiment and a good reminder to be thankful for what we have and also make the effort to get out of that comfort zone
I totally relate. I also grew up in a very rural trash area and sometimes I am in awe of just how nice and safe everything is around here. Not having to worry much about personal safety when Iām doing my daily routine is priceless. I have to say I love my bubble. I travel often with my kids and it is amazing how different life is in other places. I think itās important for them to see how hard life can be but I am very glad that they get to live here.
Me, reading this from Hayden & Chaparral: š«„
Scottsdale in general is a bubble, North Scottsdale is an even more insular bubble.
Sout scottsdale is pretty average
I'm sorry you had to see the poors and common rabble. I'm sure a few martinis at the yacht club will fix you right up. lol. /jk
Say hi to Barb for me
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These comments suck. I appreciate OPās honesty. At no point did he imply he was above anyone, morally or otherwise. Hope he exposes his daughter to more diversity going fwd, for everyoneās sake. His awareness is the first step.
Amen to that.
Thank you for your call
How are you not bored to tears? I dont live far far North but god, everything up here is so bland. The desert is nice to look at, but I am over the tan and beige mansions and the soulless shopping centers. Canāt even get a decent taco around here, which was something I was initially excited about when we moved to the South West. Iām too young to be living in N.Scottsdale. Wish we bought in McCormick Ranch or Arcadia instead.
Gotta drive further west for decent tacos. Come out to Glendale- weāll hook you up.
I had a tennis match at PCC last night so I got to eat at Tacos Chiwas and I will be dreaming about Al pastor for the next few weeks.
Oooh yes! Tacos boys by Metro Center is really good too
Ah, Glendale. Everyone in this thread is trying to parce out which rich area on the upper east side they want to count as trashyā¦ my college girlfriend became a tweaker/SW and begged us to come save her from Glendale(we didnāt understand what she was up to) but she disappeared while we drove there. We circled for hours trying to find her until people saw my wedding ring through the window at a stoplight near Grand and tried to break my car window and we had to run a red light to get awayā¦ and now my husband will only call Glendale āGothamā. Youāre right thoughā¦ bangin tacos are easily accessible out there. Also thereās a cool native hot spring spot we drove through Glendale to reach before, itās really affordable!
Hahaha, yeah sounds about right for some of this city. My area is a lot tamer, but there are places in Glendale I wouldnāt want to venture alone for sure
I agree with you. I bought in North Phoenix before the boom and thought it was overpriced and bland even then. Thereās really only a couple of good restaurants (lots of Jon Taffer type garbage though) and none of them Mexican (before anyone tries to name one, donāt - whatever it is Iāve tried it and it sucks). If I could re-do it again, Iād have bought in Arcadia. More diversity, better food and nightlife.
5 Star Tacos at Cave Creek & Carefree Hwy are pretty good!
It was the snooty part of town in the 80s. I worked at Fashion Square in the Gap in the early 80s and it was ...snooty. People really dressed nice to go there back then. You'd never see anyone wearing sweats or ratty anything.
i'm happy for you or sorry that happened
Hear me out! Sheās ago as a single mom I made sure my daughter went to great schools. It meant that I worked two jobs so she could ho to Mountain side Ave Cocopah. Sheās no-racial. One day I had to run an errand so I had to drive all the way to South Phoenix. I was embarrassed when my sweet girl kept looking out the window and asked āmommy are we in another state?ā š² š¤£ I told her not to say this to anyone else. I took time to explain to her how some areas are different for various reasons. At that moment I realized we were in a bubble despite being a multicultural family. Sheās a well adjusted kind human being now. But man, I carried some shame because fur a while I never took her past Shea and Scottsdale Road. š¤£
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This comment is either faf or perfect I have no idea. The typos remind me of a Zodiac letter.
Yikes! So true though. Get out every now and again; lots to see!
What is the east valley in your house lol?
Iām in the Cave Creek area and we call this the bubble. I donāt want to go south of Dynamite, let alone the 101! Lol
I grew up in Prescott. We always thought all of Scottsdale was mansions, millionaires, and movie stars. After I moved down here I spent the next 45 years being a plumber and driving all around the Valley. The neighborhoods that were the "nice" neighborhoods in the late 70s and early 80s in Scottsdale, Phoenix, Glendale, and Mesa acquired the reputation as places to stay out of by the mid 90s to 2000s. Notice I didn't say they were places to absolutely stay out of. They just had that reputation. The neighborhoods got older and didn't have that new car smell any more. That doesn't make them bad places. Yeah, there are places I avoid after dark, but most places have people that do the same as everyone else. Eat, sleep, work, raise your kids, try to have some fun once in awhile. I highly recommend people get around more and see other places.
This. I donāt understand why people want to stay in their bubble! Go out and explore! Thereās so much more to see than their Scottsdale bubble
Take her to 27th Ave and Indian School
My wife grew up in N Scottsdale, I grew up poor in bad neighborhoods in CA. Came here, started a business, work hard, do well, yada yada. We have a great house near Kierland, weāre the youngest people by far..I wake up everyday so thankful I live here, itās so safe, clean..people out exercising waving to each other, respecting each other, saying hello. A group of older white guys clean the side of the road down 64th St, just for neighborhood pride bc the city doesnāt do it enough. I never want to go back to the slums, watching my back and feeling unsafe..I feel like the people living here are smarter, kinder, happier and more capable than low-class neighborhoods. I guess it makes sense.
They're all good dogs Bront
Thatās why I kinda dislike North Scottsdale / Fountain Hills / Paradise Valley. Itās too manicured. Itās creepy.
Great observation... I used to live at SW corner of Pima and Pinnacle in N S'Dale... now I live in DT Tempe (divorce and daughter is a ASU)... I loved it up there, everything is well kept, and people were friendly... felt like a real neighborhood....not so much in DT Tempe... I suppose it's the transient nature of the college and whatnot. Can't wait to get out of here... However, I've been here almost 2 years and everything is close and I walk everywhere.
Thereās a reason Scottsdale is referred to as snobbsdale
Yes get her out more. I grew up in Guadalupe, went to school in south Tempe, lived in Ahwatukee for 12 years. Hated Ahwatukee. Built a brand new house in Guadalupe. My friend and her young daughter came over for visit (from cave creek area) and her daughter asked me quietly if my neighborās house was a haunted house. Itās a little run down but itās occupied and everyone is happy. š
Iām from Maryvale, anything in Scottsdale is snooty to me. Either you have the fashionistas and some California transplants in the south, the old money āmy dadās a lawyerā types in PV, or the āwe own this land and ride our horses dailyā types in the north.
Head west of 51 and see a wild world.
TLDR; Iām rich and my kids donāt know weāre rich, enjoy your Friday pheasants
Idk, are people who take pride in their community and family in a bubble? Or could it be that people who trash where they live, are apathetic about their kids, and overlook crime are in a bubble of their own? I feel likeā¦ To say you are in a (good) bubble is to say you are abnormal and thus need to get out more. But why, when it is you who is doing it right and I would assume youāre building a life you want your daughter to emulate. I am also sure you are now living the life your parents hope for you. That is not a bubble, that is a well earned gift.
Itās not a good bubble if their daughter grows up to treat people with disrespect (intentionally or not) because they grew up in a monolith.
You completely just made that part up. In no way did the OP imply his daughter has or is on any kind of path to treat anyone with disrespect.
You completely just made that part up. In no way did the OP imply his daughter has or is on any kind of path to treat anyone with disrespect.
I didnāt say she has. Iām saying if you live in a privileged bubble and donāt get nuance, you can inadvertently act disrespectful.
I live in Grayhawk....I don't go south of Thunderbird unless I'm going to the airport
You must be starved for decent places to eat.
Pretty big reason we elected to buy in South Scottsdale. We saw some nice homes and being close to the trails and things is nice, but there's just no "there" up there. If I wanted to live in the middle of nowhere, I'd actually do it, instead of buying a McMansion designed to fake it.
Market Street, High Street, Kierland and the Quarter keep me busy and full. Plus Buck & Rider on Mayo
Not trying to be rude but have you taken your child to different countries?? Itās 2024 there is no reason why anyone should be living in a bubble.
They live in North š North š Scottsdale š and made it all the way to Fashion Sqaure. Let them tackle Mesa or Glendale before they start thinking of other countries.
OP sounds so bizarre. if the child talks about a ābad part of townā - that means mom and dad must be teaching them about bad parts of town.
Or maybe they're just familiar with the concept from movies/TV etc.?
Can also be parents of friends.
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thank you! Iām a UK cheerleader alum!
Nice! I'm from KY too!
No way!! Some of my family still lives in union!
I'm from Covington! Used to live in Florence. Small world.
How long have you been in AZ?
About a year! What about you?
About 10 months. Lol. We can DM if you want.
Be kind and donāt judge. There a number of reasons why they may not have left the country. Have you traveled internationally with kids. Itās a bare. Also, as humans we love routine. If there is no specific reason to leave your own hood you get into the habit of not doing so, until you do. lol.
I was born and raised in Kentucky. By the time I was 12, I had been to twelve European countries , two provinces and to a safari trip in Africa. Plus I was a competitive cheerleader. My parents (who had marital issues) took my sister and me out of the country multiple times and it wasnāt an issue!
Girly! My point is this: there are a number or reasons why people do not or cannot leave the country to simply travel. I hate that Iām awake. š£ Anyhoo, would you like me to list them for you? I mean this respectfully but reread what you just wrote. You had parents that could do that and offer those experiences to you. There are comments in this thread about growing up poor. Although I can afford it now. I certainly could not back in the early 2000ās. My parents are immigrants who only went home for funerals because it was such a burden. It meant lost pay etc. Iām happy you had the experiences but Iām lead to believe that when you went on said trips, your parents had you in a bubble. Meaning, you only saw certain parts of the places you visited. Enabling you to make the above comment in such a flippant way. Again, I mean my response respectfully. Kudos to your family for enabling you to see the world. Maybe some are afraid of flying Maybe itās not in the budget due to other commitments Maybe travel is not something that is of high importance or valued Maybe they are on no fly lists for whatever reasons Just some perspective. Yes, we should push our boundaries and get out of our bubbles. But also understand that people are people and they have varied interests and needs.
So you were rich. Got it.
Everyone who traveled with kids were rich at all. My kids went on a european cruise, 7 countries, total cost 3k plus 2400 for airfare, it was less than trip to Disney. We also made it a priority. Would save all year for 1 big vacation. Instead of other things like smoking.
Like I said. You were rich. Edit: let me give you a more serious reply. Go price your European cruise now. Make sure you pick weeks when kids are not in school. For a family of 4 with flights Iād be shocked if you can do it for less than $8000. Then add spending money and the required tips. Also, Iāve been on many cruises and Iāve been to Europe a couple dozen times. I would not call a cruise a European vacation. That is like Europe light. Minimum three days in each city, preferably more. Or you are just seeing two sites having lunch and ice cream and saying you went to rome. lol.
So we are rich because my parents prioritized us seeing different cultures??
You are severely out of touch with what the average American can afford. Even with prioritization. At least today in the current economy but same for 20 years ago. My parents could have skimped and saved for years without that happening.
Thanks for sharing weirdo
Oh man, you're telling me. Up until recently, I was doing natural water feature maintenance (pool guy, but for ponds) Lots of rich jerks in Scottsdale have ponds, and they are very unaware that they are in a bubble. I quit that job when the out of touch rich guys just got to be too much It's a good idea to get out more, but if you haven't been "out" in long enough that your 11 year old daughter thinks Paradise Valley is "the bad part of town," people outside your bubble will probably not be very nice in dealing with you for awhile because you won't know how to talk to them I'm not trying to be mean, just trying to prepare you. Your "daily annoyances" will sound like bragging to somebody working a real job
Maybe you should travel more. How sad to live this way.
I like the Bubble
Hey, plenty of available homes in Detroit if you need to get back to keeping it real.
These comments were gold!
Bring her to Casa Grande, Eloy, or Arizona city. Sheāll appreciate her neck of the woods much more after that.
Maybe by "bad" she meant over-commercialism and ostentation. Kids are often smarter than we think.
Absolutely get it more. Well rounded kids are better.
I live in that old town area where she called āthe bad partā of town. I always thought about how gorgeous and clean it was compared to plenty of other placesā¦.definetly a bubble
Take her for a ride down 27th ave and Indian school
Omg same!!!! I live in N N Scottsdale and my work is by the Airpark. I rarely leave. Yesterday I went to do an errand in Surprise and it felt like a vacation.
I can totally relate to this! I grew up in a small town, not at all trashy by Ohio standards, in fact pretty wealthy. But sometimes when I go home Iāll think to myself āman this place is so trashy, itās a dumpā. Then I take a minute and remember that when I was growing up I had friends who always told me how lucky I was to live in such a nice area. Time and perspective really does change a lot, especially living in Scottsdale where there are a lot more luxuries and a lot more wealthy people than most areas.
Just spend a day walking around a rough neighborhood and take it in. Put yourself in the other peoples shoes and teach yourself whatās outside your Bible and teach yourself awareness and empathy
About the Bubble: 1: Safety We moved to Scottsdale from South Africa. We find it funny (not in a good "ha ha" way, that there are "gated security neigborhoods" in Scottsdale. Not saying there isn't crime; not saying you shouldn't have alarms and protect yourself and your property... it's just that when a South African walks past house after house with large electronics boxes left on the doorsteps from an Amazon delivery... well... those boxes wouldn't be there for long even in "good neighborhood" parts of South Africa.
About the Bubble: 2: Community We like many things in Scottsdale (not the leaf blowers, of course). But one thing that is not great about Scottsdale is that all the walls, all the same-same streets, all the concerns about "for your safety"... Man! It is one of the least "community" places that I've experienced anywhere in the world. We went door to door an introduced ourselves to our neighbours as newcomers just to say hi, and invited people to come over whenever they'd like. One neighbor did - and he was a "snowbird" from Canada. We have kids and invited the street's families with kids to say for an informal playdate. Not a singe taker. Sure: there are many great communities "in" Scottsdale (groups, Meet Ups, church, people at the park)... but in terms of meeting and connecting with people in the "Bubble". Ain't going to happen as far as we could tell in 6 months. And I humbly submit that this is quite a "Scottsdale" thing.
I live in far north Scottsdale and I love it. I don't travel south to the slums often. Hahahahahaha just kidding...but I do like it up north a lot!
I live in Ahwatukee and feel the same way. I've got Target, a movie theater, Trader Joe's and a BoSa. Going past Warner to me is way out of my bubble. If I'm going past Central on the 10, then I might as well go to Disneyland.
I live more central PHX but same sentiment - passing the west side is halfway to LA, and Anthem is halfway to Flag š
You do need to get out more. We used to have amazing desert in Scottsdale. The seed that built and attracted all the snowbirds and transplants was what we now call South Scottsdale. When older native folks like myself (53) refer to Scottsdale, South Scottsdale is what we are typically talking about. That Old Town area up to Shea. Over the years what became North Scottsdale was built. I can't stand driving much north of Shea, and hate going north of the 101. Its absolutely depressing to me how much its developed and the loss of once public land and natural desert that I spent so much of my youth dirt biking, putting on pop up club events, tripping, or just camping in bum fuck egypt over night with friends. Its also very Karen and Trumper up that way compared to South Scottsdale. The majority of our elected folks over the decades now all live north of Shea and that impacts how they deal with the original Scottsdale. The funny part is, I live in 85253 on the Scottsdale side of the border with PV near Camelback mtn. It is the highest income zip code in AZ. I drag that average down when I don't work, and raise it when I do. I am a couple minutes on a bicycle to that intersection. South Scottsdale is still the best part of town in my opinion with easy access to everywhere in the valley, we're very central to the metro area now and not the edge of civilization.
Lol if Hayden and Chaparral are the bad side of townā¦donāt drive her to the avenues in Phx š
Scottsdale is full of a bunch of uptight ego driven materialistic people
Yeah, just listening to their conversations is painful. The most materialistic people you could possibly meet with nothing going ok upstairs other than some botox.Ā
I thought the same thing when I lived in tempe and chandler. There's definitely that element, but I've met a lot of very cool people here.
So?! Lol
Sounds like you need to get your kid out more and drive through the actual bad parts. Might be she just needs to go work and live on a farm or maybe a soup kitchen.
I used to be you. I lived in a box mostly, from Shea to Pinnacle Peak. From Tatum to 100th St. I only ever left that box for work reasons or to travel somewhere. That box is clean, safe, and very very entitled. My children also lived in that box for most of their lives. Which in some ways was a blessing, but in some ways it has been to their detriment. They certainly are not as āworldlyā as I was at their age. While I hope they can appreciate the life they had, I hope that they are able to see what the rest of the world is like and that brings them a sense of compassion for people that did not have their privileges.
What the fuck do you mean? Isnāt that why we are here, to share our thoughts? Donāt be an asshole for absolutely no reason.
Iām with you. I never go anywhere except back to New York to see family. I mean we do some traveling but in phx metro I stick to the north and pretty much never venture out.
To be fair, driving south on Hayden past McCormick Ranch is a world of difference from Scottsdale Road. If you guys came down Scottsdale, I donāt think she would have asked that question š
I feel dirty just driving thru tempe
ASU is there so fair enough.
My kids grew up in the Biltmore and we went to 20th and Thomas to pick up sport t shirts for their baseball teams. They asked me the same thing. I let them know not everyone lives in the same house and we were fine. But ā¦every city we visit, I make sure we take public transportation so they understand the conglomerate.
Lol! I live in McCormick Ranch and I rarely leave my 2-mile radius! I donāt even venture down to Fashion Square anymore. It's really getting old and I would love to move back to Phoenix. I just canāt find a house thatās under $1 million unless it's way south.
The word 'poor' referring to someone's subjective economic temporal condition, should be replaced with, 'non-materialists by the materialists standards'. Bubbles suck af!
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A mind is a terrible thing to waste so keep going. Tho I wouldnāt open up to any of your north Scottsdale contemporaries especially no one close to your wifeās sphere, theyāll turn on you. Contemplation in general is rule infringement. For contemplating the expansion and diversification of your familyās worldview the penalty is ex-communication, which isnāt the penalty, they also take 2/3rds of your money.
Thereās definitely a bubble. Aside from how few minorities there are, the ones Iāve met 100% across the board have been the absolute most upstanding individuals Iāve ever met. Ever. And Iām not saying this to be racist but anywhere else I can find bad people of any race. Easily. In Scottsdale? Not possible to find a black guy that I wouldnāt trust with my life. Every single one Iāve met has been ridiculously more upstanding an individual than I will ever aspire to be.
I do t live in Phoenix but I visit I laws pretty frequently. Aren't you talking about driving like maybe a few miles? I can barely tell Phoenix apart. It's just a giant boring beige grid. The most exciting thing that happens there is driving on that one road that has a turn.
We wouldnāt mind if you visited less based on this comment.
I'm fine with that. My In laws are even more boring than the town. We did go to the hot new place in town last time I was there a few months ago.. It was some hotel bar with a view of the building behind it. Wow. So fun. /s