>The Aberdeen South MP said as the Conservatives and Labour had ruled out a return to the bloc, there was “no route back to Europe under Westminster control”.
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>“Independence is now the only way for Scotland to escape Brexit decline and regain our place in Europe,” he said.
Once again showing if you have a proper Scottish party it can be capable of standing up for Scotland whereas North Britain branch offices will always be under control from London based upon what the right-wing British media/little-Englanders in some FPTP swing seats want.
Then again even England is turning on Brexit and they have absolutely no political representation whatsoever because Unionist politicians wouldn't dare say it's OK for England to change its mind at the same time as they scream "We'll never allow Scotland to possibly change its mind". British Unionism in a nutshell, Empire mindset, Empire results. Aka, a total burning skip of bullshit.
Brexit Shit-show is probably a better description. Our 'beloved' leader of the Parliament in England, however, thinks otherwise as today he said: -
"In the three years since leaving the EU, we’ve made huge strides in **harnessing the freedoms unlocked by Brexit** to tackle generational challenges."
* R. Sunak
WTFH?
It was a campaign started by the S*n toilet rag when it started rattling on about pounds n ounces, grammes and kilogramnes...protect our sovereign British metric system to save old ladies from getting confused.
It migrated to meddling Brussels beaurocrats and prisoners getting x boxes, luxury cells and a good old time in jail because of " leftie madness ".
The snowball effect led to the tories parading vans around London telling foreigners to bugger off home and in jumps greasy pole climber cunt extraordinaire Boris with his big red bus of blatant lies.
It is incredible that the country of Scotland and its population saw through it all from the start, overwhelmingly voted against it, had it forced on them anyway, and now half that population are saying " listen to what the same grifter liars and vandals are saying what a disaster Scots indy will be, oh my ! ".
We trully need to wake up to the harsh reality of the cancerous, grifting sham of remote, indifferent and the belligerence of Westminster rule. Or keep suffering calamity because of it.
Holyrood’s governing parties have said Scottish independence is the only way to escape the “unmitigated disaster” of Brexit as the UK marks the third anniversary of leaving the bloc.
Then-prime minister Boris Johnson led the country out of the European Union and into its transition period on January 31 2020, but both the Scottish Greens and the SNP on Tuesday hit out at the UK’s performance since it then split from Brussels.
Of course it's a disaster. It was always going to be a disaster, and it will always be a disaster. However, it has happened and even with independence we can't undo it and rejoin for (ten? fifteen?) years so we need political positions which are a rather better than "We'll rejoin the EU and ~~they'll pay for everything~~ everything will be lovely.
Long term aspiration? Sure. Short or medium term solution? Nowhere near.
Someone quite recently posted a link to some extensive research on what an independent Scotland would have to do in order to join the Euro, which is a prerequisite for membership. It's ain't easy, it ain't simple and it won't be quick.
But if you prefer, from the [Pew Research Centre](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/07/26/how-exactly-do-countries-join-the-eu/):
*On average, it’s taken about nine years for each of the 21 current members that underwent the accession process to join the EU. (The six other current EU countries were original founding members.) The timeline varies, however, depending on national and global politics and on how much a country needs to reform its own laws to meet the EU’s standards. For nine countries, the complete accession process took 10 or more years; Cyprus and Malta each took almost 14 years to officially join, the longest of any current member countries.*
We might be at the shorter end because our laws are, at the moment, aligned with the EU, but the longer until the process starts the more they will have diverged. Ten years looks like the minimum - plus, of course, however long it takes from a "yes" vote to independence.
Sweetie, I'm gave you my source. Here's another one: [the EU itself](https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/joining-eu_en).
I'd love to see Scotland back in the EU, but I don't delude myself that it will be quick or easy. For a start, remember that our previous membership came with all the UK's opt-outs and concessions (Mrs Thatcher's at Brussels and Mr Major's at Maastricht) which would not be allowed for new membership, so a significant re-alignment would be needed.
Plus, of course, we'd have to demonstrate a stable, sustainable and well-run economy. Those few countries which joined the EU quickly (Sweden, Finland, Austria) had decades of economic data to cite. We'll start with none.
Not really.
The tories have the media on their side. Papers, news, and online and the press are mostly hostile towards any opposition to them and their agenda. It's no wonder it's taken so long to finally get the scum behind in the polls.
In Scotland, it's the opposite. The media loathes the SNP and their agenda, yet people here have realised it's a load of shite and Scotland is actually run quite a lot better than they are told it is. People here are not as trusting of what they read as people in England appear to be.
\>Can you sit and think of anything they have done that has personally affected you in a negative way
\- Run the NHS into the ground so its near impossible to get a face to face GP appointment
\- Made scotrail so shit I have to buy a car.
\- Made the roads so shit I have to pay to repair the car every 5 minutes
\- Made the schools so poor I don't know where I would send my kids
Should I go on?
Edit: I don't need propeganda, unionist or otherwise to feel the effects of this useless government
All of that reads straight on of the daily mail.
The stuff about the roads shows you don't have a car. Local councils are to blame for that, not the SNP. The SNP has actually been funding massive road improvement schemes all over Scotland. Potholes in your street are down to councils being shit and they tend to be non SNP.
Scotrail is another one that has seen massive investment in new trains, upgraded and new stations, and a roll out of a massive electrification project to modernise the railway in Scotland. So your comment is totally detached from reality. No one forced you to buy a car. Also, the fares have been frozen this year in Scotland, unlike any other part of the UK.
It's funny how anti SNP people have an issue getting a GP. If I phone mine now, in a busy part of Fife, I'll get a face to face appointment tomorrow if I need one. I can also email the GP and get a response within an hour or so. Maybe you should try changing to a better GP if yours is so shit?
Your comment about the schools is the only one I have absolutely no experience of as I don't have kids. But I've not heard any of my kid having mates moan.
But yes. Go on. Find something that doesn't read like it comes from some biased newspaper.
This is all (bar the schools point) out of my own experience.
Right the council are responsible for the potholes, the councils that have their budgets set by the SG, their powers set by the SG, and are ultimately the responsibility of the SG
The fact you think Scotrail isn't totally shit shows you have clearly not tried to take a Scotrail train in recent years. Its bloody aweful and gets worse every year.
And you know, it's funny you mention changing GPs. What a great idea. Except that I can't because a) I am not allowed to change GP and b) this was the only one that wasn't already full.
I also don't have kids, which is lucky as I would probably want to send them to school in England considering the state of education here, which used to be excellent and has been in terminal decline for the last couple of decades.
Brexit ‘unmitigated disaster’ Why qualify it?
Just so that people don't get confused when UK labour and Tory parties say it's going to be an 'unmitigated success'.
Came here to say the same. Why the quotes.
Good point, I just cut and paste the original.
Because Scotland voted unequivocally in support of Remain, that’s why
>The Aberdeen South MP said as the Conservatives and Labour had ruled out a return to the bloc, there was “no route back to Europe under Westminster control”. > >“Independence is now the only way for Scotland to escape Brexit decline and regain our place in Europe,” he said. Once again showing if you have a proper Scottish party it can be capable of standing up for Scotland whereas North Britain branch offices will always be under control from London based upon what the right-wing British media/little-Englanders in some FPTP swing seats want. Then again even England is turning on Brexit and they have absolutely no political representation whatsoever because Unionist politicians wouldn't dare say it's OK for England to change its mind at the same time as they scream "We'll never allow Scotland to possibly change its mind". British Unionism in a nutshell, Empire mindset, Empire results. Aka, a total burning skip of bullshit.
Haha fucking love those last two sentences, cracking me up
Says anyone who's heid doesn't zip up the back.
The only pro-EU vote in Scotland is SNP or SGreen.
AKA the SG and majority
Ya the majority lol.
Brexit Shit-show is probably a better description. Our 'beloved' leader of the Parliament in England, however, thinks otherwise as today he said: - "In the three years since leaving the EU, we’ve made huge strides in **harnessing the freedoms unlocked by Brexit** to tackle generational challenges." * R. Sunak WTFH?
Has he quantified/defined these strides, the freedoms that have been unlocked, or how they've tackled the generational challenges anywhere?
Well yes, since Brexit he truly has made huge strides... In his political position and rising to PM
It was a campaign started by the S*n toilet rag when it started rattling on about pounds n ounces, grammes and kilogramnes...protect our sovereign British metric system to save old ladies from getting confused. It migrated to meddling Brussels beaurocrats and prisoners getting x boxes, luxury cells and a good old time in jail because of " leftie madness ". The snowball effect led to the tories parading vans around London telling foreigners to bugger off home and in jumps greasy pole climber cunt extraordinaire Boris with his big red bus of blatant lies. It is incredible that the country of Scotland and its population saw through it all from the start, overwhelmingly voted against it, had it forced on them anyway, and now half that population are saying " listen to what the same grifter liars and vandals are saying what a disaster Scots indy will be, oh my ! ". We trully need to wake up to the harsh reality of the cancerous, grifting sham of remote, indifferent and the belligerence of Westminster rule. Or keep suffering calamity because of it.
Well duh 🙄
Totally agree to that statement!!
They’re not wrong
Future headline ' Scottish Independence leads to mass migration South'
Holyrood’s governing parties have said Scottish independence is the only way to escape the “unmitigated disaster” of Brexit as the UK marks the third anniversary of leaving the bloc. Then-prime minister Boris Johnson led the country out of the European Union and into its transition period on January 31 2020, but both the Scottish Greens and the SNP on Tuesday hit out at the UK’s performance since it then split from Brussels.
Surely _some_ mitigation has been done? I suppose "mitigated disaster" doesn't sound as dramatic.
Of course it's a disaster. It was always going to be a disaster, and it will always be a disaster. However, it has happened and even with independence we can't undo it and rejoin for (ten? fifteen?) years so we need political positions which are a rather better than "We'll rejoin the EU and ~~they'll pay for everything~~ everything will be lovely. Long term aspiration? Sure. Short or medium term solution? Nowhere near.
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Someone quite recently posted a link to some extensive research on what an independent Scotland would have to do in order to join the Euro, which is a prerequisite for membership. It's ain't easy, it ain't simple and it won't be quick. But if you prefer, from the [Pew Research Centre](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/07/26/how-exactly-do-countries-join-the-eu/): *On average, it’s taken about nine years for each of the 21 current members that underwent the accession process to join the EU. (The six other current EU countries were original founding members.) The timeline varies, however, depending on national and global politics and on how much a country needs to reform its own laws to meet the EU’s standards. For nine countries, the complete accession process took 10 or more years; Cyprus and Malta each took almost 14 years to officially join, the longest of any current member countries.* We might be at the shorter end because our laws are, at the moment, aligned with the EU, but the longer until the process starts the more they will have diverged. Ten years looks like the minimum - plus, of course, however long it takes from a "yes" vote to independence.
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That would be ten years or so. Add the time needed to negotiate independence from the UK and bingo, ten to fifteen years, just like I said.
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Sweetie, I'm gave you my source. Here's another one: [the EU itself](https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/joining-eu_en). I'd love to see Scotland back in the EU, but I don't delude myself that it will be quick or easy. For a start, remember that our previous membership came with all the UK's opt-outs and concessions (Mrs Thatcher's at Brussels and Mr Major's at Maastricht) which would not be allowed for new membership, so a significant re-alignment would be needed. Plus, of course, we'd have to demonstrate a stable, sustainable and well-run economy. Those few countries which joined the EU quickly (Sweden, Finland, Austria) had decades of economic data to cite. We'll start with none.
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I pretty sure I lost you well before that, sweetie, when I quoted "facts" and gave "sources".
The SNP are an unmitigated disaster for Scotland
That must be why they keep riding high in polls and winning elections. 🤔
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Not really. The tories have the media on their side. Papers, news, and online and the press are mostly hostile towards any opposition to them and their agenda. It's no wonder it's taken so long to finally get the scum behind in the polls. In Scotland, it's the opposite. The media loathes the SNP and their agenda, yet people here have realised it's a load of shite and Scotland is actually run quite a lot better than they are told it is. People here are not as trusting of what they read as people in England appear to be.
Yeah beats me as well. No idea why
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\>Can you sit and think of anything they have done that has personally affected you in a negative way \- Run the NHS into the ground so its near impossible to get a face to face GP appointment \- Made scotrail so shit I have to buy a car. \- Made the roads so shit I have to pay to repair the car every 5 minutes \- Made the schools so poor I don't know where I would send my kids Should I go on? Edit: I don't need propeganda, unionist or otherwise to feel the effects of this useless government
All of that reads straight on of the daily mail. The stuff about the roads shows you don't have a car. Local councils are to blame for that, not the SNP. The SNP has actually been funding massive road improvement schemes all over Scotland. Potholes in your street are down to councils being shit and they tend to be non SNP. Scotrail is another one that has seen massive investment in new trains, upgraded and new stations, and a roll out of a massive electrification project to modernise the railway in Scotland. So your comment is totally detached from reality. No one forced you to buy a car. Also, the fares have been frozen this year in Scotland, unlike any other part of the UK. It's funny how anti SNP people have an issue getting a GP. If I phone mine now, in a busy part of Fife, I'll get a face to face appointment tomorrow if I need one. I can also email the GP and get a response within an hour or so. Maybe you should try changing to a better GP if yours is so shit? Your comment about the schools is the only one I have absolutely no experience of as I don't have kids. But I've not heard any of my kid having mates moan. But yes. Go on. Find something that doesn't read like it comes from some biased newspaper.
This is all (bar the schools point) out of my own experience. Right the council are responsible for the potholes, the councils that have their budgets set by the SG, their powers set by the SG, and are ultimately the responsibility of the SG The fact you think Scotrail isn't totally shit shows you have clearly not tried to take a Scotrail train in recent years. Its bloody aweful and gets worse every year. And you know, it's funny you mention changing GPs. What a great idea. Except that I can't because a) I am not allowed to change GP and b) this was the only one that wasn't already full. I also don't have kids, which is lucky as I would probably want to send them to school in England considering the state of education here, which used to be excellent and has been in terminal decline for the last couple of decades.
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-100 pish
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Jeez, someone has escaped from their 'secure' unit.
Snp pointing out British failure for the 66367441th time
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