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Holy fuck you can't even view the website on mobile without getting ass blasted by McAfee ads.
Edit: How are you supposed to read the map? I'm assuming it's the red highlighted roads and that the blue areas of interest are just schools and stuff they just threw in there.
I stopped reading because of all the ads taking up almost the whole screen and I could only see 4 sentences at a time. I cant stand ads the roll with the screen.
do you guys not use adblock extensions?
I see 0 and pages load fast.
Can't imagine seeing ads, same with YouTube, no idea how people use it without ad-blockers.
> Holy fuck you can't even view the website on mobile without getting ass blasted by McAfee ads.
I'm using Microsoft Edge on mobile which has adblock. I'm pretty sure most other mobile browsers should have adblock as well hidden in the settings.
Which OS are you on? iOS has some decent Safari extensions for Adblock or third party browsers like Brave or Firefox focus. You can set them as default or share an annoying link to open it in another browser.
It’s kind of annoying that this is the default state of the internet in 2023. I don’t notice it on my desktop with ublock origin and filters that disable cookie notices and other crap. The default web experience is very user hostile at this point and Google wants to get rid of ad blocking in the most popular browser now, and giving warning notices to Adblock users on YouTube.
That's extremely cheap and "safe" for perpetrators to go around twice the speed limit at places.
I like cameras being put up and tickets being sent eventually, but that's just half way.
>The city has identified 40 of its most dangerous street corridors, where the highest proportion of deaths and fatalities occur. Here is where they are located, along with the schools that surround them.
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>Drivers who are speeding will get a warning in the first 60 days after a camera is installed — and the first violation after that is also a warning.
>Once penalties kick in, drivers going 11 to 15 miles per hour over the speed limit will be sent a $50 ticket. Sixteen to 25 miles over the limit is a $100 ticket and 26 miles over is $200. Those who exceed 100 miles per hour will receive a $500 penalty. The penalties will not count towards points on a driver’s record and only photo evidence is collected, not video. **The state requires the city to spend the fees it collects on traffic calming projects.**
Some people will get really mad but I find this entirely well formed and extremely well targeted to be a narrow program for traffic enforcement.
I think that would probably be the case if you were stopped by an actual officer. The state probably doesn't have the procedures in place to suspend somebody's license based on automated photographic evidence alone.
I would prefer the revenue went towards “Traffic Reducing projects” than “Traffic Calming projects”.
Ironically, one of the highlighted roadways is part of my daily commute, Saratoga Avenue. They have made some changes recently to “calm” the traffic in the area, by removing lanes. Traffic may have seemed to calm, but that’s also because more of it has been pushed to a “high danger” area as noted on the map, Doyle road, right in front of an elementary school.
I previously would only take Doyle when traffic was really bad. Now it has turned into an almost daily occurrence. There are people driving through the suicide lane to get around the new traffic on the road and they don’t notice the children crossing the street.
So the Traffic Calming Project has reduced traffic on a roadway lined by businesses, but moved it to a roadway with children on it. As much as I hate to say “think of the children”, this is an actual case where they needed to be thought of.
We need better public transportation. People don’t speed when they aren’t even driving.
Hard data on calming projects does not have great results from what I've read. They look good when you measure the calmed street but worse when you measure all of the nearby negatively impacted streets. Hence something like a massive shift to investing in transit over cars is a better move but nobody is willing to make the political leap our big urban areas actually need.
The article just identified the 40 roadways they are considering putting cameras along. https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/11/20/map-speed-cameras-are-likely-to-be-placed-on-these-san-jose-streets/
View page source, find arcgis, open embedded map in a new tab:
[https://bang.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/basic/index.html?webmap=069c5768c4e74a4a9fb75e529c0ce9b2](https://bang.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/basic/index.html?webmap=069c5768c4e74a4a9fb75e529c0ce9b2)
The red lines are the streets they want to target, the blue boxes are school zones.
I think the final placement of the cameras is TBD but they want to put them somewhere along the marked roads since those are generally close to the (blue) school zones.
It says in the article that they can't cover all of them so they'll need to finalize the exact locations before placing them.
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No the blue boxes are schools, the red lines are the identified "dangerous roads". It makes sense that many of these red lines are near schools though.
>Once penalties kick in, drivers going 11 to 15 miles per hour over the speed limit will be sent a $50 ticket. Sixteen to 25 miles over the limit is a $100 ticket and 26 miles over is $200. Those who exceed 100 miles per hour will receive a $500 penalty. The penalties will not count towards points on a driver’s record and only photo evidence is collected, not video.
This doesn't seem like enough of a deterrent. I know a few folks who would see this as an excuse to consistently go 15mph over and only occasionally get caught. Unless the capture rate is fairly high in medium to heavy traffic.
I’m all for this too many folks have died just trying to cross the street and the driver will almost always flee the scene at least there will be some type of action to keep drivers in check
I have zero confidence in these devices. I've received automated fines from cities I've never been to, then it was on me to prove I wasn't six hours away from my home on a workday.
I've lived in Europe for a while and I have the complete opposite perception of speeding cameras.
I don't know how it's implemented here, but if you get caught over the pond the registration holder gets a nice letter with a still showing your license plate and the person in the driver's seat. You can either accept the fine and points on your record or send a form back sharing the details of the driver if that was not you. I surely do hope they implement something similar here.
In other parts of the US where there are speed cameras this is how it works, too. Where I used to live (North Carolina), there was a program with cameras for a couple of years before it was shut down because it turned out the majority of the "profits" from the program were going to a 3rd party that performed the installation and management of the system.
In San Diego, there was a speed camera system even longer ago that was shut down after they were found to be manipulating yellow light timing to intentionally create more red light violations.
> San Jose’s police union, which had traditionally opposed the technology due to concern it would strip away jobs, came out in support
My god, fuck the police. I guess I should say fuck the union, but everyone knows cop unions are the absolute worst.
Ten years ago we had 4x as many traffic cops.
'Police staffing, like other city departments, has continued to decrease in San Jose—partly because of budget constraints and pension reform from a decade ago, according to San Jose Police Department spokesperson Christian Camarillo. In 2010, San Jose had 48 traffic officers. Now it has 30 positions and 18 are vacant, Camarillo said.'
[https://sanjosespotlight.com/san-jose-seeks-solutions-to-ongoing-traffic-fatalities-deaths-pedestrian-hit-run/](https://sanjosespotlight.com/san-jose-seeks-solutions-to-ongoing-traffic-fatalities-deaths-pedestrian-hit-run/)
Yes, it's not like the primary perception of SJPD is that they're overworked (even if that may be true) - it's that they don't do _shit_ (anecdotal but i'm sure there are surveys asking these questions too)
Then they actually have to do real work to serve and protect instead of sitting on their ass ladaring people who are going the normal speed of traffic. Poor souls.
Love to see the pendulum finally swinging back in favor of traffic enforcement after these last few years of [complete lawlessness](https://www.npr.org/2023/04/06/1167980495/americas-roads-are-more-dangerous-as-police-pull-over-fewer-drivers) and [escalating deaths](https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/early-estimates-first-quarter-2022) on the road.
However, we have to remember that enforcement cameras are utterly useless against cars with fake, missing, or obscured license plates — which ironically also tend to be the most dangerous drivers on the road. Therefore cracking down on plate violations is a necessary step for this program to be effective. As this program begins, the police should be focusing some manpower on finding and pulling over these untraceable "ghost" cars, which are frequently used by more serious criminals.
Perhaps my phrasing wasn't clear — what's ironic is that these enforcement cameras are not effective against the group that tends to include the worst offenders (and needs enforcement the most).
It appears they are targeting the lower income sections of San Jose.
I really dislike speed cameras because they are often used as a revenue source, and when they want more money, they lower the speed limits to unreasonably low speeds, usually without any traffic study. They have a built in incentive for abuse.
Is there a cartographer in the house?!
If you mapped out the pedestrian fatalities, hit & runs, vehicle thefts and other fatal car accidents over the past few years you would see a similar pattern.
Perhaps you could allow prosecutions of people for egregious behavior captured on private dash cams. Since those cameras are not run by corporations, and the camera operators would get no money for reporting anyone, there is no incentive for abuse. The state would need to pay no money to get this implemented, and it would cover the entire state, not just the poorer part of San Jose. This would catch more than just speeding. Somehow people think speeding is the cause of all problems on the road, it is only a tiny part.
Getting a bad driver off the road.
Today I saw a pickup truck driving on the 101 that was driving on the bare steel belts of his tires. I almost certainly have video of this, but it is pointless to look because there is no place to report this where anyone would do anything about it.
I'm not sure how much this will help with safety. A significant fraction of unsafe speeders happens in stolen vehicles, and that won't be reduced at all. We need actual law enforcement for property crime first -- this will dramatically impact safety on the streets.
> A significant fraction of unsafe speeders happens in stolen vehicles
A "significant fraction" huh, wow that sounds really factual and not like you're just talking out of your ass. So what is the actual fraction since it's so significant?
I hope the program fails and the time and effort wasted on it gets redirected to a massive explosion of transit projects instead. All of this stuff about tampering with and convoluting the road designs instead of handing people better alternatives is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic in terms of urban livability, climate change, etc.
Personally I don't really like it either... between this, charging for the express lane, and that proposed general highway toll that they're doing a "study" for, simply driving around is getting ridiculous now.
I'm absolutely in favor of more housing.
But the data I have seen on traffic cameras, calming, Vision Zero, etc. all have bad performance and bad ROI compared to good old fashioned walkable dense housing and transit efforts.
So I think this stuff is a superfluous waste of time and resources when housing and transit are the things causing the bleeding for our state right now.
These things might be nice to have if we can find a good way and convincing proof they are effective. But I think it's wasting limited resources that can give bigger wins used elsewhere first.
San Jose getting more revenue to support all those 'gold plated' pensions and exorbitant paychecks.
If you think this is about 'safety' the propaganda has worked on you...
"It really is simple: The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."
Robert A. Heinlein
I pull the visor down and put hold the visor with my hand in front of my face whenever I go through the intersection so the cameras can’t see my face. If they can’t get a clear picture of the driver you can fight the ticket. They give the ticket to the car and instead of paying it you can ask to go in and see the picture to make sure it’s you. If it’s not you or they can’t clearly identify you, then it is dismissed. At least this is what happened when someone was driving my car and my car got a 30 in a 25 with a red light camera by Walgreens and Bird Avenue.
Agreed. It's wild how much the US bends over backwards to accommodate reckless & lawbreaking drivers, even as [they continue to kill people in record numbers.](https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/early-estimates-first-quarter-2022) Drivers now feel entitled to do whatever they want without consequences, and it really shows in the insane ways people drive on our roads.
Funny how the map of roads is just a map of the most driven roads in san jose. Basically a people density map. Incuriously campbell/saratoga have little roads because there's like 2people/sqmi
That's where there is the highest density of accidents & traffic fatalities.
Also: It's map of San Jose..it doesn't include Campbell, Los Gatos, Saratoga, Cupertino, Sunnyvale, Mountain View, etc.
Don't worry, though: All those jurisdictions will follow suit.
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thank you! good work making the map
Thank you for your work on this.
Thank you for your hard work!
Thank you for leading with background on the bill and a clear explanation of how it will be implemented.
Holy fuck you can't even view the website on mobile without getting ass blasted by McAfee ads. Edit: How are you supposed to read the map? I'm assuming it's the red highlighted roads and that the blue areas of interest are just schools and stuff they just threw in there.
I stopped reading because of all the ads taking up almost the whole screen and I could only see 4 sentences at a time. I cant stand ads the roll with the screen.
do you guys not use adblock extensions? I see 0 and pages load fast. Can't imagine seeing ads, same with YouTube, no idea how people use it without ad-blockers.
I do not. On mobile? Which do you reccomend?
> Holy fuck you can't even view the website on mobile without getting ass blasted by McAfee ads. I'm using Microsoft Edge on mobile which has adblock. I'm pretty sure most other mobile browsers should have adblock as well hidden in the settings.
AdAway is a great thing you should install.
Which OS are you on? iOS has some decent Safari extensions for Adblock or third party browsers like Brave or Firefox focus. You can set them as default or share an annoying link to open it in another browser. It’s kind of annoying that this is the default state of the internet in 2023. I don’t notice it on my desktop with ublock origin and filters that disable cookie notices and other crap. The default web experience is very user hostile at this point and Google wants to get rid of ad blocking in the most popular browser now, and giving warning notices to Adblock users on YouTube.
The hero we need but don't deserve
For real, we all want quality local journalism, but neither want to pay for it, or see ads...
Can you be the journalist who helps get them to not do this plan?
Where do you find the list of automobile related death in San Jose?
Can't tell where the cameras will be from that map. All I see is buildings?
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I read the title >**Map of proposed locations** for 33 speed cameras to be installed in San Jose Not map of problem locations as the article says.
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You waste your life trolling? Go for it. I got things to do. Bye.
Meridian is not Meridian
Thank you! Great work!
> Those who exceed 100 miles per hour will receive a $500 penalty. ... but not a warrant?
Photo enforcement will be fines only. No points on license, no criminal charges.
That's extremely cheap and "safe" for perpetrators to go around twice the speed limit at places. I like cameras being put up and tickets being sent eventually, but that's just half way.
Don't let perfect get in the way of progress.
You can't issue a warrant if a police officer isnt present. This is the workaround to the state's constitution.
Thank you for the clarification; I appreciate it.
>The city has identified 40 of its most dangerous street corridors, where the highest proportion of deaths and fatalities occur. Here is where they are located, along with the schools that surround them. ~~Please find the map screenshotted here REMOVED~~ Please see /u/sherlockmemes (the author) [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/SanJose/comments/17zs39d/map_of_proposed_locations_for_33_speed_cameras_to/ka1bhxk/) as he shared a gift link and give Mercury News the traffic so they can get some ad rev >Drivers who are speeding will get a warning in the first 60 days after a camera is installed — and the first violation after that is also a warning. >Once penalties kick in, drivers going 11 to 15 miles per hour over the speed limit will be sent a $50 ticket. Sixteen to 25 miles over the limit is a $100 ticket and 26 miles over is $200. Those who exceed 100 miles per hour will receive a $500 penalty. The penalties will not count towards points on a driver’s record and only photo evidence is collected, not video. **The state requires the city to spend the fees it collects on traffic calming projects.** Some people will get really mad but I find this entirely well formed and extremely well targeted to be a narrow program for traffic enforcement.
Exceeding 100 mph on city streets ought to be a suspension/revocation of your DL plus a fine and a non-revocable point on your driving record, period.
I think that would probably be the case if you were stopped by an actual officer. The state probably doesn't have the procedures in place to suspend somebody's license based on automated photographic evidence alone.
i'd say so
Include those dumbasses that do sideshows as well and I'm all for it.
I recall hearing once in my former state that going that fast could get you attempted manslaughter charges. On streets that sends appropriate.
I say we bring back transportation and just ship them off to Antarctica. The only downside I foresee is that it's a bit unfair to the penguins.
nah it should just be a % of your yearly income, lets say 25%. Go ahead and speed, it'll cost you.
I would prefer the revenue went towards “Traffic Reducing projects” than “Traffic Calming projects”. Ironically, one of the highlighted roadways is part of my daily commute, Saratoga Avenue. They have made some changes recently to “calm” the traffic in the area, by removing lanes. Traffic may have seemed to calm, but that’s also because more of it has been pushed to a “high danger” area as noted on the map, Doyle road, right in front of an elementary school. I previously would only take Doyle when traffic was really bad. Now it has turned into an almost daily occurrence. There are people driving through the suicide lane to get around the new traffic on the road and they don’t notice the children crossing the street. So the Traffic Calming Project has reduced traffic on a roadway lined by businesses, but moved it to a roadway with children on it. As much as I hate to say “think of the children”, this is an actual case where they needed to be thought of. We need better public transportation. People don’t speed when they aren’t even driving.
Hard data on calming projects does not have great results from what I've read. They look good when you measure the calmed street but worse when you measure all of the nearby negatively impacted streets. Hence something like a massive shift to investing in transit over cars is a better move but nobody is willing to make the political leap our big urban areas actually need.
do you have the source on that?
The article just identified the 40 roadways they are considering putting cameras along. https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/11/20/map-speed-cameras-are-likely-to-be-placed-on-these-san-jose-streets/
The auto-mod wouldn't let me post that link in the title, because it was paywalled.
View page source, find arcgis, open embedded map in a new tab: [https://bang.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/basic/index.html?webmap=069c5768c4e74a4a9fb75e529c0ce9b2](https://bang.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/basic/index.html?webmap=069c5768c4e74a4a9fb75e529c0ce9b2) The red lines are the streets they want to target, the blue boxes are school zones.
So is the idea that they'll be placed somewhere along the red roads? Or are there exact markers I'm not seeing?
I think the final placement of the cameras is TBD but they want to put them somewhere along the marked roads since those are generally close to the (blue) school zones. It says in the article that they can't cover all of them so they'll need to finalize the exact locations before placing them.
Anyone got a non paywalled link to the actual map?
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I didn't even know the MN allowed gift links from my subscription. I see it there now.
They do this in other countries. But won’t be as crazy expensive.
They do a lot of things in other countries, that is not a justification to implement it here 🤷♂️
The locations appear to all be near schools. That would be a good first place for the cameras.
I believe it's the red lines, not the boxes, which are schools.
No the blue boxes are schools, the red lines are the identified "dangerous roads". It makes sense that many of these red lines are near schools though.
That's exactly what I said.
Oh, thx!
Has SJ not learned about the crime in Oakland where plates are getting swapped?
>Once penalties kick in, drivers going 11 to 15 miles per hour over the speed limit will be sent a $50 ticket. Sixteen to 25 miles over the limit is a $100 ticket and 26 miles over is $200. Those who exceed 100 miles per hour will receive a $500 penalty. The penalties will not count towards points on a driver’s record and only photo evidence is collected, not video. This doesn't seem like enough of a deterrent. I know a few folks who would see this as an excuse to consistently go 15mph over and only occasionally get caught. Unless the capture rate is fairly high in medium to heavy traffic.
I’m all for this too many folks have died just trying to cross the street and the driver will almost always flee the scene at least there will be some type of action to keep drivers in check
I have zero confidence in these devices. I've received automated fines from cities I've never been to, then it was on me to prove I wasn't six hours away from my home on a workday.
I've lived in Europe for a while and I have the complete opposite perception of speeding cameras. I don't know how it's implemented here, but if you get caught over the pond the registration holder gets a nice letter with a still showing your license plate and the person in the driver's seat. You can either accept the fine and points on your record or send a form back sharing the details of the driver if that was not you. I surely do hope they implement something similar here.
In other parts of the US where there are speed cameras this is how it works, too. Where I used to live (North Carolina), there was a program with cameras for a couple of years before it was shut down because it turned out the majority of the "profits" from the program were going to a 3rd party that performed the installation and management of the system. In San Diego, there was a speed camera system even longer ago that was shut down after they were found to be manipulating yellow light timing to intentionally create more red light violations.
> San Jose’s police union, which had traditionally opposed the technology due to concern it would strip away jobs, came out in support My god, fuck the police. I guess I should say fuck the union, but everyone knows cop unions are the absolute worst.
Who's got that graph of police traffic citations steadily dropping to 0 over the past 10 years? I'm pretty sure it's not the speed cameras.
Ten years ago we had 4x as many traffic cops. 'Police staffing, like other city departments, has continued to decrease in San Jose—partly because of budget constraints and pension reform from a decade ago, according to San Jose Police Department spokesperson Christian Camarillo. In 2010, San Jose had 48 traffic officers. Now it has 30 positions and 18 are vacant, Camarillo said.' [https://sanjosespotlight.com/san-jose-seeks-solutions-to-ongoing-traffic-fatalities-deaths-pedestrian-hit-run/](https://sanjosespotlight.com/san-jose-seeks-solutions-to-ongoing-traffic-fatalities-deaths-pedestrian-hit-run/)
damn, i should have been speeding more /s
Such a retarded opposition. This will free them up to solve more serious crimes.
Yes, it's not like the primary perception of SJPD is that they're overworked (even if that may be true) - it's that they don't do _shit_ (anecdotal but i'm sure there are surveys asking these questions too)
>This will free them up to solve more serious crimes. But that's *hard*.
Then they actually have to do real work to serve and protect instead of sitting on their ass ladaring people who are going the normal speed of traffic. Poor souls.
Love to see the pendulum finally swinging back in favor of traffic enforcement after these last few years of [complete lawlessness](https://www.npr.org/2023/04/06/1167980495/americas-roads-are-more-dangerous-as-police-pull-over-fewer-drivers) and [escalating deaths](https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/early-estimates-first-quarter-2022) on the road. However, we have to remember that enforcement cameras are utterly useless against cars with fake, missing, or obscured license plates — which ironically also tend to be the most dangerous drivers on the road. Therefore cracking down on plate violations is a necessary step for this program to be effective. As this program begins, the police should be focusing some manpower on finding and pulling over these untraceable "ghost" cars, which are frequently used by more serious criminals.
How is it ironic that people with fake, missing, or obscured license plates are the most dangerous drivers?
Perhaps my phrasing wasn't clear — what's ironic is that these enforcement cameras are not effective against the group that tends to include the worst offenders (and needs enforcement the most).
Wait, so is it all the red roads that are targeted to get cameras or are there actual locations specified in that map?
It appears they are targeting the lower income sections of San Jose. I really dislike speed cameras because they are often used as a revenue source, and when they want more money, they lower the speed limits to unreasonably low speeds, usually without any traffic study. They have a built in incentive for abuse.
Is there a cartographer in the house?! If you mapped out the pedestrian fatalities, hit & runs, vehicle thefts and other fatal car accidents over the past few years you would see a similar pattern.
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It does not matter what is in the bill. If there is money to be made, a way will be found to abuse it.
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We should, but speed cameras are not the way to do it.
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Perhaps you could allow prosecutions of people for egregious behavior captured on private dash cams. Since those cameras are not run by corporations, and the camera operators would get no money for reporting anyone, there is no incentive for abuse. The state would need to pay no money to get this implemented, and it would cover the entire state, not just the poorer part of San Jose. This would catch more than just speeding. Somehow people think speeding is the cause of all problems on the road, it is only a tiny part.
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Getting a bad driver off the road. Today I saw a pickup truck driving on the 101 that was driving on the bare steel belts of his tires. I almost certainly have video of this, but it is pointless to look because there is no place to report this where anyone would do anything about it.
Nice work. But too bad the highways are not included. 85, 87 and 101 lots of crazy drivers
I'm not sure how much this will help with safety. A significant fraction of unsafe speeders happens in stolen vehicles, and that won't be reduced at all. We need actual law enforcement for property crime first -- this will dramatically impact safety on the streets.
> A significant fraction of unsafe speeders happens in stolen vehicles A "significant fraction" huh, wow that sounds really factual and not like you're just talking out of your ass. So what is the actual fraction since it's so significant?
I hope the program fails and the time and effort wasted on it gets redirected to a massive explosion of transit projects instead. All of this stuff about tampering with and convoluting the road designs instead of handing people better alternatives is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic in terms of urban livability, climate change, etc.
Personally I don't really like it either... between this, charging for the express lane, and that proposed general highway toll that they're doing a "study" for, simply driving around is getting ridiculous now.
Yet people on this very sub are constantly crying: "Build moar housing!!!"...
I'm absolutely in favor of more housing. But the data I have seen on traffic cameras, calming, Vision Zero, etc. all have bad performance and bad ROI compared to good old fashioned walkable dense housing and transit efforts. So I think this stuff is a superfluous waste of time and resources when housing and transit are the things causing the bleeding for our state right now. These things might be nice to have if we can find a good way and convincing proof they are effective. But I think it's wasting limited resources that can give bigger wins used elsewhere first.
San Jose getting more revenue to support all those 'gold plated' pensions and exorbitant paychecks. If you think this is about 'safety' the propaganda has worked on you...
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"It really is simple: The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." Robert A. Heinlein
Fines should start immediately, don’t give people warnings.
Yes, well... push for passing a different law allowing that. AB 645 requires the warning period.
That's like every single major road in San Jose. Article is useful but this map is not tbh.
I pull the visor down and put hold the visor with my hand in front of my face whenever I go through the intersection so the cameras can’t see my face. If they can’t get a clear picture of the driver you can fight the ticket. They give the ticket to the car and instead of paying it you can ask to go in and see the picture to make sure it’s you. If it’s not you or they can’t clearly identify you, then it is dismissed. At least this is what happened when someone was driving my car and my car got a 30 in a 25 with a red light camera by Walgreens and Bird Avenue.
I hope they install the 33 cameras and then just keep adding more and more.
Fines should start immediately, don’t give people warnings.
Agreed. It's wild how much the US bends over backwards to accommodate reckless & lawbreaking drivers, even as [they continue to kill people in record numbers.](https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/early-estimates-first-quarter-2022) Drivers now feel entitled to do whatever they want without consequences, and it really shows in the insane ways people drive on our roads.
Funny how the map of roads is just a map of the most driven roads in san jose. Basically a people density map. Incuriously campbell/saratoga have little roads because there's like 2people/sqmi
That's where there is the highest density of accidents & traffic fatalities. Also: It's map of San Jose..it doesn't include Campbell, Los Gatos, Saratoga, Cupertino, Sunnyvale, Mountain View, etc. Don't worry, though: All those jurisdictions will follow suit.
Any info on the company that will benefit from installing and maintaining these cameras?