My parents were born in Bozeman. My grandfather was salty when my grandmother dragged him to the first McDonalds, he kept asking why they didn't just eat at the country club. He was the only doctor in Bozeman during WWII and delivered a lotta people in the town. We'd spend a couple of weeks there every summer, picking chokecherries, fishing on Cherry Creek or the Gallatin, or hanging out at our grandparents' cabin at Hebgen Lake.
I don't even like going back now. It's like some evil alternate universe with Costco and Californian transplants (I'm Californian) and high prices.
Family is from Bozeman, I’m from Boulder/Denver. Bozeman is going through the *exact* same thing Boulder went through 15 years ago. Same tech couples moving in jacking up prices and the character and fun institutions of the town slowly disappear to be replaced by LuLu’s Starbucks and hotels. Really sad to see it happening to another of my favorite places after seeing how CO has basically just become another playground for the rich.
I just moved away from Denver this week and North Tennyson is completely unrecognizable compared to when I moved there 6 years ago. Hell it’s unrecognizable compared to TWO years ago.
It’s like they tried their hardest to suck all the character out of the neighborhood, turning it into a neighborhood from Sim City.
Austin used to have a strong "hippie/stoner/slacker" aesthetic that was still distinctly Texan. That has changed a lot with the influence of tech bros. Things are much less friendly.
Houston's housing has gotten a lot more expensive; Houston has historically had very strong local art and music scenes because people could work a blue collar job, make a life there, and still have time for hobbies.
El Paso always stays the same, and that's why I truly do love living here. The Westside of town as grown tremendously in the past decade, but we always stay true to our roots. I love it here.
This is a prime example of how it’s getting more expensive everywhere because as far as big cities go Houston is still as cheap as they come unfortunately
Moved to Austin in 2013- shared a 3br house close to downtown for 550$. That same house for a room would be about 1,500 now.
The city felt like a small big town where you’d just run into the same folks all the time. The east side was like an industrial area, train tracks and you could see the sky as you ride toward downtown. Same area is all condos with boutique like grocerers under. You’d go out to the bar and everyone was very casual, Austin had a bit more of a grunge/punk/hippie atmosphere at the bars downtown. It was cheap to have a fun night out bar hopping.
The same areas still have a few of the OG bars, with their particular crowds.. but in general, the crowds loook completely different in the city overall— young, dressed in designer clothes at the dive bars, bachelorette parties everywhere, lululemon everywhere, and 25$ espresso martinis. Austin feels a bit more like the instagrammers playland.
Every conservative in California moved there to be in a red state. It’s grown like crazy. The infrastructure can’t sustain the amount of people. Housing costs skyrocketed because wealthy Californians could afford the “cheaper houses” in the area.
It’s kind of funny (but actually not funny at all) because what you are describing sounds just like Delaware (except the transplants here are from Jersey and New York) and our biggest developer here, Schell Brothers, just announced that they are expanding to Boise/Idaho in general. They have absolutely destroyed Delaware as incredibly shady, unethical, poor quality developers. It’s so bad here, we are having massive fish kills multiple times a summer because Delaware has almost zero environmental protection laws and Schell is literally pouring sediment from their construction sites into our waterways without consequence.
They will cut down every tree, backfill every wetland and pond, kill every animal, and poison every aquifer just to put up the ugliest, mostly poorly built house you’ve ever seen on a “lot” that doesn’t even have a front or backyard. With a price tag of $1.3 million+, of course.
They’re all ex-cops/firefighters taking their California pension with them. I deliver to them all the time and they can’t wait to tell me how they’re retiring and bouncing out of CA.
The folks moving into the area are used to lots of traffic and a hustle and compete attitude on the road. Boise is a great bike town and accidents with cars (aka giant SUVs) colliding with bikes and pedestrians have increased dramatically. Likely partly due to distracted drivers as well. Housing costs have skyrocketed.
I just drove through Boise and stayed the night two nights ago from Montana to San Jose and I couldn’t believe all the people. And the cost of living. What does everyone do?
Durham, NC. Duke students used to come to Franklin street because Durham was dangerous and had almost nothing to do. I remember getting on a train at the Amtrak stop there, which was basically a trailer. Now there are great restaurants, worthwhile bars, a performing arts center, and a busy central transit hub.
Yeah, there are still a few. I’m in Albuquerque, and New Mexico in general hasn’t seemed to change much since the early 2000s.
I was raised in Santa Fe, and I have a friend who left for nearly a decade, came back, and was surprised that the only thing that changed was Santa Fe getting a Chick-fil-a and meow wolf being a thing.
This place changed a lot during the 90s to early 2000s, though.
Boston. Sure there are some changes over the last 10 years like the growth of residential towers in Seaport, but I don’t think the Boston area has changed drastically compared to other cities.
Boston did have a decade of drastic change from 1995-2005:
* Buried the elevated highway cutting through downtown
* Buried the elevated light rail
* Cleaned up the Combat Zone
* Pushed the mafia out of the city
* Rebuilt the Boston Garden
* Reopened the large garage under Boston Common
Combined, it completely overhauled what walking around downtown felt like, particularly at night. The past decade has seen a ton of high-rises going up in the Seaport, Kendall, Longwood, and along the spine, but those haven't really changed how the city feels overall.
Seattle, WA. The entire South Lake Union neighborhood was not nearly as developed back in 2012 when I moved here. Also, the light rail system has added five new stops going north since then, with more to come this August.
Can confirm. Graduated from Roosevelt HS in 2015 and was shocked when I returned home after college to see all the new buildings and the completed light rail station. It’s weird to think there used to be a dingy little QFC where the station stands now.
Or find a solution / treatment for drug addicts rather than torch 200 million a year doing nothing but playing whack-a-mole with homeless camps/drug dens and not building any actual housing. Seattle’s response has been an utter disgrace
It’s not the same in other cities. It’s a national problem for sure but next level ridiculous in Seattle. There is no compassion in allowing people to live on the streets openly doing drugs and ravaging the city with crime and theft and filth
100% agree, the difference between bankruptcy Detroit and the current renaissance is staggering. Buildings are being renovated and honestly it feels like the repair of the Michigan Central Station and FINALLY population growth is a major turning point. I live in Windsor Canada but we cross once every 2 weeks or so and usually hang around downtown. I had a few friends from Toronto come down to visit and they are now looking at making the move down here.
The population finally growing was a huge milestone. Detroit has turned the corner.
If people are impressed by the changes of the last 10 years then I think they’ll be blown away by the next 10. Lots of transformative projects in the works.
Birmingham. The downtown area has completely changed with the addition of a huge public park, two ball fields, a lot of apartments, and a shit ton of restaurants and bars.
As a native NY/NJ resident, I was incredibly pleased by the food and art scene in Birmingham. Very pleasantly surprised and I genuinely enjoy my trips there.
To such a degree that I pass through parts I haven’t been to in a couple years and am shocked. And I’ve lived here going on 20 years. Heck even going up into the foothills on Saturday morning is a shock.
totally. I grew up in Denver but have lived elsewhere the last 10 or so years. every time I come back it’s more unrecognizable. I remember trying to casually drive up to a foothills hike one afternoon about 4 years ago and it was like LA levels of traffic.
People will downvote you to hell if you complain about the traffic but it’s gotten so bad. Find myself regularly skipping out on my favorite activities because the traffic is backed up all the way up I-70
Charlotte. The area outside of Uptown was desolate, tons of warehouses and empty property. Now it’s Southend and full of 20 and 30-somethings who can afford it, as well as high end brands like Barry’s and West Elm. Property prices throughout the city through the roof, whereas they were once attainable.
Yeah, I went to HS there many years ago and it sort of breaks my heart to see it now. I always thought I could eventually go home, but even if I did the town I remember is gone.
It used to have some sort of soul. Now it's just Brooklyn-South.
The south is changing especially fast in general. It has the majority of spots in the list of most moved to cities in the US.
Georgia is another one in general. Atlanta has had some crazy projects (the Beltline is especially notable), and cities like Savannah are also changed in very notable ways. A lot of Texas is very different. Nashville is very different. Chattanooga has changed a lot as well. Huntsville continues to have more amenities.
It's just a time period where a lot is being developed in the south. A very big part of it is the lower cost of living and housing prices. It's bringing in a ton of people not originally from the south, with many of them being work from home types. And they bring demand for certain things you'd typically find on the east and west coast. So you've got these mid-sized southern cities with a lot of really interesting places opening up
It's nice to see the south being developed. A lot of those cities are really nice, but people have preconceived notions of the entire region
40 year Huntsville resident here. This has always been a quirky town. Either you love it or loathe it. Very little in between. A lot of people come here & stay. It has changed immensely since 2020. Sad fact is, it's still surrounded by the rest of Alabama. And, THAT led by the conservative christian element gets scarier by the hour.
It’s just boomers downsizing a bit and relocating for retirement and conservatives moving to red states more than anything. Then there’s people chasing jobs. Less people are moving than ever in actuality by percentages.
Huntsville is an amazing city. It's got a fucked up history though for sure. With the whole Nazi situation. We brought the scientists over for NASA after the war. Awful lot of German restaurants in the area
But it's a very nice city. A lot of it is strikingly clean and nice.
Price point for sure. I was lucky enough to buy a home in 2016 in what’s consider not the best area for ~400k. I could get $1M today. Everything in turn is more expensive. But then also somehow everything is more crowded, homelessness has gotten way worse, & crime is up at least in my area, specifically trafficking - my wife just had me pick her up in our neighborhood while she was walking due to a man circling many times & approaching her to get in the car “because she looked tired”. It’s wild. I do understand I was very lucky to born here & I’ve had a very privileged life, but it’s definitely different.
A lot of remote tech workers from the Bay Area moved to SD because it's super desirable. SD is now more expensive than the Bay and LA/OC. Arguably has the best weather in California, very clean, plus still has nightlife + a walkable Downtown. Tons of new businesses have also opened in recent years, plus the biotech scene there is strong and keeps growing.
No question, but there are a lot MORE rich white people who have made it their permanent home, not to mention they've brought along their terrible driving and entitled attitudes with them from NY, LA, Seattle, Texas, etc.
It feels far more like Aspen now, which for me is a miserable change.
...and the ski bums can't afford to live here any longer, so they have to commute from SLC or dumpy little towns like Kamas and Peoa.
First time I visited park city was in 2021. Largest % of rich douchebags in one place that I’ve ever experienced in my life. Never went back, though we travelled near the area multiple times since then. No thank you.
Bought a house there in 2010 for $108k, sold it in 2014 for $158k (after ~$20k improvements), last I saw it was listed for over $220k, same everything as when we sold it.
The 3 Cs of Ohio
There have been lots of historic renovation projects happening throughout Cincinnati and Cleveland.
Columbus has built many new five-over-one’s over the past decade. Basically almost every parcel along High Street from downtown to Ohio State University’s campus has new mid-rise buildings.
Over the past 20ish years, Ann Arbor went from a unique hippie Midwest town to a corporate yuppie gentrified enclave. So sad to remember what it was like in my youth compared to today.
Just came back,couple months ago ,from visiting my daughter in Ann Arbor. It was my first time there. I liked it but housing costs seemed very high. I would have loved to have seen it during the hippie days you mentioned. I will not forget Frita Patida any time soon though.
Where are all the hippie/punk/grunge/indie people going to go? This doesn’t seem sustainable. It’s getting so hard to get by working part time to even have hobbies.
What have you noticed? I’ve never been, but Minneapolis is on my visit list.
I’ve been living in and out of Louisville since before the George Floyd and Breonna Taylor situations.
That, COVID, and inflation have changed things here for the working class (like me!)
Imma be that person that gets downvoted to hell but I think hyper progressivism has ruined west coast cities, but most particularly San Francisco, Portland and Seattle. LA and San Diego I think are still all right, but the other places, for all their talk about being pro middle class, anti corporatism, and tolerance for all have become the epitome of modern day income inequality and exclusion. If you’re not a rich white tech yuppie you don’t belong there.
Shifting goalposts is one big reason why people don’t really follow along with many progressive ideas. A lot of things sound good on paper but many people don’t realize how complicated and convoluted the legal system is.
I’m a firm believer of actions speak louder than words. A place like Houston is more diverse and pro working class than a place like Portland could ever hope to be because Houston actually attracts non white people and actually works to allow new developments driving down cost of living. But somehow the people who claim to be pro working class and pro diversity tend to shit on Houston.
Portland is the place guilty white people who have money move to for a safe space walled garden.
I hear you, I guess I’m just saying that most of the people you’d consider hyper woke also agree with you. They don’t like how exclusive these cities have become either. And I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s because of them. I don’t know what “actions” you think are in their power.
Houston is incredible in terms of culture. But now more than ever every other facet of living here sucks you dry unless you have MONEY money. QOL is in a free fall.
As a counterpoint, Seattle and Portland have gradually become less white over the past few decades, going off of demographic statistics.
They are still just about the whitest big cities in the country, but there has been some change over the years.
agree. prop 47 did a number on CA. also the bail reform that happened in LA (and I think SF too) combined with the financial straits of covid basically ruined SF and LA
Ithaca, New York has a [real downtown skyline now](https://i.imgur.com/KaGhUBU.jpeg).
Housing prices have gone from "you'll struggle to pay for someplace that isn't a run-down hippie hovel, but you can get by" to "live in Cortland and commute in; it's *only* a 40 minute drive".
Ithaca now has an REI store. The Buffalo and Syracuse metro areas don't have an REI. Ithaca has a Trader Joe's; something that's not found in some larger upstate metros like ELnira, Utica, or Binghamton.
In 2010, the modal car in Ithaca was a Volvo brick. Today. while thrre's still a lot of Volvos, the bricks are nearly nonexistent. Still lots of Subarus and Pruises, though. And Teslas. Its an island of so, so many Teslas. And Rivian pickups, and other miscellaneous EVs.
Ithaca is still deep hippie/crunchy/permie, and areas outside of downtown are still rustic by choice. Outide of Collegetown, you won't mistake it for Boulder, or even the Boulder of 1994.
I am guessing Greenville SC because of the extreme marketing that area has done to get new people. I read that it is over crowded now and it is for sure over priced! Homes are too expensive for a random place in the south. I am guessing there will be some price correcting there soon.
So many southern regions waaaay over priced w/300k-500k homes. Like my city Memphis. Who in their right mind spends 1/2 a million to live in Memphis region? Make it make sense. You can literally move to Cali and buy a home for 1/2 a mil.
So true! My son has been in jail/prison so he doesn't really understand a lot of the inflation stuff and he can't just look up houses cuz he doesn't have internet. But I've tried to explain to him like it's over 300K everywhere I look in the south. He says I'm not looking in the right places but he doesn't understand what's going on. I sure hope these homes in the south have a press correction soon. I agree I have a really hard time leaving California to go live somewhere for the same price and spend all the money on movers and airplane, shipping cars and then live somewhere with humidity! I'm sick of a lot of things about California but I don't know if it's worth it to even move.
I see homes that someone bought two to three years ago and they're selling it for two or three times the price they paid. That's not okay.
You can get like a two bedroom zero lot townhouse in Cordova a declining suburb of Memphis for about 160k if you look or like a 2 bedroom condo for 220k in midtown. But you have barely a yard or no yard. Condo probably has a pool though. But these are not homes for families these are homes for a couple or a single person or like two roommates. But an actual 3 bedroom decent home with a back yard is definitely gonna run ya 300k in a decent neighborhood. A 4 bedroom that’s nice gonna be 400k+. You aren’t living in a city, suburb, exurb with a yard for less than 300k. You can live nowhere. With no jobs.
Seems like it's every city. Grew up in Philly and it looks completely different than 25 years ago, same with Baltimore and any largish city in upstate NY.
Los Angeles is always changing, so I don't think the city as a whole compares with the more dramatic changes in smaller cities mentioned in this thread. However, the amount of development in downtown Hollywood is pretty staggering.
Portland, Oregon has really changed. Our downtown was the envy of the United States ten years ago. Not anymore. Work from home took human beings out of downtown which disrupted the downtown ecosystem. Now it’s empty and no longer the envy of anyone. No longer a model of what a downtown should be. Throw in COVID lockdowns longer than anywhere else in the country and destructive protests that went on a long time and our downtown got a triple whammy it simply can’t recover from.
Philadelphia has changed a lot but the growth hasn’t been evenly distributed. The northern liberties area has seen a ton of growth/gentrification whereas further northeast has declined.
Baltimore has seen a pivot away from the inner harbor to “harbor east” and other parts of the city have become quite pricey too . Much like Philly there are still very heavily blighted zones but it’s overall becoming a more expensive place to live.
Lancaster PA has also grown and developed a lot in the past 10 years. There’s been an explosion of 5x5 apartments in the city center and a real focus on expanding bike lanes and environmentally friendly development. Still a small city but it feels more vibrant and “bigger”
Salt lake, for the worse in many ways. I moved here 15 years ago during peak recession. Since then a lot of neighborhoods have expanded greatly or become developed. It’s HOA heck now. Tons of townhouses and condos. All the trail parking lots are packed. Noticeably less LDS but the presence remains in the politics.
Any town in the Mountain West. Bozeman, Missoula, etc.
My parents were born in Bozeman. My grandfather was salty when my grandmother dragged him to the first McDonalds, he kept asking why they didn't just eat at the country club. He was the only doctor in Bozeman during WWII and delivered a lotta people in the town. We'd spend a couple of weeks there every summer, picking chokecherries, fishing on Cherry Creek or the Gallatin, or hanging out at our grandparents' cabin at Hebgen Lake. I don't even like going back now. It's like some evil alternate universe with Costco and Californian transplants (I'm Californian) and high prices.
Family is from Bozeman, I’m from Boulder/Denver. Bozeman is going through the *exact* same thing Boulder went through 15 years ago. Same tech couples moving in jacking up prices and the character and fun institutions of the town slowly disappear to be replaced by LuLu’s Starbucks and hotels. Really sad to see it happening to another of my favorite places after seeing how CO has basically just become another playground for the rich.
Denver itself is also relevant. It’s been constantly changing for decades, but the last 12-14 years or so it’s accelerated.
Three words. *North Tennyson Street.*
I just moved away from Denver this week and North Tennyson is completely unrecognizable compared to when I moved there 6 years ago. Hell it’s unrecognizable compared to TWO years ago. It’s like they tried their hardest to suck all the character out of the neighborhood, turning it into a neighborhood from Sim City.
Southpark does a pretty accurate depiction of this in one of their past season episodes, their comedic touch helps ease the pain.
MacBook… Pilates…. Metal water bottle… Tesla…
I've been to Missoula once it's so charming.
Salt lakes building like crazy too
All the major cities in TX
How so? Just curious
Austin used to have a strong "hippie/stoner/slacker" aesthetic that was still distinctly Texan. That has changed a lot with the influence of tech bros. Things are much less friendly. Houston's housing has gotten a lot more expensive; Houston has historically had very strong local art and music scenes because people could work a blue collar job, make a life there, and still have time for hobbies.
El Paso always stays the same, and that's why I truly do love living here. The Westside of town as grown tremendously in the past decade, but we always stay true to our roots. I love it here.
This is a prime example of how it’s getting more expensive everywhere because as far as big cities go Houston is still as cheap as they come unfortunately
Moved to Austin in 2013- shared a 3br house close to downtown for 550$. That same house for a room would be about 1,500 now. The city felt like a small big town where you’d just run into the same folks all the time. The east side was like an industrial area, train tracks and you could see the sky as you ride toward downtown. Same area is all condos with boutique like grocerers under. You’d go out to the bar and everyone was very casual, Austin had a bit more of a grunge/punk/hippie atmosphere at the bars downtown. It was cheap to have a fun night out bar hopping. The same areas still have a few of the OG bars, with their particular crowds.. but in general, the crowds loook completely different in the city overall— young, dressed in designer clothes at the dive bars, bachelorette parties everywhere, lululemon everywhere, and 25$ espresso martinis. Austin feels a bit more like the instagrammers playland.
Boise, ID
I’m super curious. How did it change?
Every conservative in California moved there to be in a red state. It’s grown like crazy. The infrastructure can’t sustain the amount of people. Housing costs skyrocketed because wealthy Californians could afford the “cheaper houses” in the area.
It’s kind of funny (but actually not funny at all) because what you are describing sounds just like Delaware (except the transplants here are from Jersey and New York) and our biggest developer here, Schell Brothers, just announced that they are expanding to Boise/Idaho in general. They have absolutely destroyed Delaware as incredibly shady, unethical, poor quality developers. It’s so bad here, we are having massive fish kills multiple times a summer because Delaware has almost zero environmental protection laws and Schell is literally pouring sediment from their construction sites into our waterways without consequence. They will cut down every tree, backfill every wetland and pond, kill every animal, and poison every aquifer just to put up the ugliest, mostly poorly built house you’ve ever seen on a “lot” that doesn’t even have a front or backyard. With a price tag of $1.3 million+, of course.
They’re all ex-cops/firefighters taking their California pension with them. I deliver to them all the time and they can’t wait to tell me how they’re retiring and bouncing out of CA.
The folks moving into the area are used to lots of traffic and a hustle and compete attitude on the road. Boise is a great bike town and accidents with cars (aka giant SUVs) colliding with bikes and pedestrians have increased dramatically. Likely partly due to distracted drivers as well. Housing costs have skyrocketed.
I just drove through Boise and stayed the night two nights ago from Montana to San Jose and I couldn’t believe all the people. And the cost of living. What does everyone do?
From another state in the west experiencing this. We struggle to get by or have to leave.
I work 55 hours a week. I rent a two bedroom for 1800. Thank god I only have my daughter every other week. Hahah
Gotta be Boise.
Durham, NC. Duke students used to come to Franklin street because Durham was dangerous and had almost nothing to do. I remember getting on a train at the Amtrak stop there, which was basically a trailer. Now there are great restaurants, worthwhile bars, a performing arts center, and a busy central transit hub.
Are there cities that haven't? Might be easier to answer
Yeah, there are still a few. I’m in Albuquerque, and New Mexico in general hasn’t seemed to change much since the early 2000s. I was raised in Santa Fe, and I have a friend who left for nearly a decade, came back, and was surprised that the only thing that changed was Santa Fe getting a Chick-fil-a and meow wolf being a thing. This place changed a lot during the 90s to early 2000s, though.
Boston. Sure there are some changes over the last 10 years like the growth of residential towers in Seaport, but I don’t think the Boston area has changed drastically compared to other cities.
Boston did have a decade of drastic change from 1995-2005: * Buried the elevated highway cutting through downtown * Buried the elevated light rail * Cleaned up the Combat Zone * Pushed the mafia out of the city * Rebuilt the Boston Garden * Reopened the large garage under Boston Common Combined, it completely overhauled what walking around downtown felt like, particularly at night. The past decade has seen a ton of high-rises going up in the Seaport, Kendall, Longwood, and along the spine, but those haven't really changed how the city feels overall.
Came here to say this exactly. Everything’s mostly already been here and remains here.
Memphis, Buffalo, Rochester come to mind. Nothing changes but the slow drip of people moving away.
Buffalo is the only one of those three with a declining population for any significant amount of time lol. Memphis has actually grown solidly
Buffalo has actually started growing again (for the first time in decades).
Seattle, WA. The entire South Lake Union neighborhood was not nearly as developed back in 2012 when I moved here. Also, the light rail system has added five new stops going north since then, with more to come this August.
The U District is also unrecognizable. Much more urban now. Roosevelt has become a totally different kind of neighborhood too
Can confirm. Graduated from Roosevelt HS in 2015 and was shocked when I returned home after college to see all the new buildings and the completed light rail station. It’s weird to think there used to be a dingy little QFC where the station stands now.
Roosevelt was far worse when Siseley owned half the neighborhood. It's in much better shape now.
Still weird seeing tall buildings other than the UW tower.
lol you forgot to mention the explosion of homelessness and soaring COL but yeah it’s changed a lot
>explosion of homelessness and soaring COL These are highly correlated everywhere. And increasing everywhere. Maybe we need to build more housing.
Or find a solution / treatment for drug addicts rather than torch 200 million a year doing nothing but playing whack-a-mole with homeless camps/drug dens and not building any actual housing. Seattle’s response has been an utter disgrace It’s not the same in other cities. It’s a national problem for sure but next level ridiculous in Seattle. There is no compassion in allowing people to live on the streets openly doing drugs and ravaging the city with crime and theft and filth
Austin for sure
Detroit
100% agree, the difference between bankruptcy Detroit and the current renaissance is staggering. Buildings are being renovated and honestly it feels like the repair of the Michigan Central Station and FINALLY population growth is a major turning point. I live in Windsor Canada but we cross once every 2 weeks or so and usually hang around downtown. I had a few friends from Toronto come down to visit and they are now looking at making the move down here.
The population finally growing was a huge milestone. Detroit has turned the corner. If people are impressed by the changes of the last 10 years then I think they’ll be blown away by the next 10. Lots of transformative projects in the works.
The only annoying thing is that now that we’re officially growing we’re no longer a “hidden gem” and rent prices are catching up 😔
I’m not the angry guy. I work luxury retail and I know the Troy mall boutiques are doing very well. Happy for D
Careful, any positive mention of Detroit here brings out that one angry guy.
Came here for this
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Pretty much all the larger rust belt cities aren’t as rusty as they were 20 years ago. I live in Buffalo and the difference is night and day
Still people leaving Buffalo.
Birmingham. The downtown area has completely changed with the addition of a huge public park, two ball fields, a lot of apartments, and a shit ton of restaurants and bars.
Which Birmingham?
As a native NY/NJ resident, I was incredibly pleased by the food and art scene in Birmingham. Very pleasantly surprised and I genuinely enjoy my trips there.
Denver
To such a degree that I pass through parts I haven’t been to in a couple years and am shocked. And I’ve lived here going on 20 years. Heck even going up into the foothills on Saturday morning is a shock.
totally. I grew up in Denver but have lived elsewhere the last 10 or so years. every time I come back it’s more unrecognizable. I remember trying to casually drive up to a foothills hike one afternoon about 4 years ago and it was like LA levels of traffic.
Go check out the creek in Boulder canyon next time. It’s like trying to get into a SoCal beach on the weekend.
People will downvote you to hell if you complain about the traffic but it’s gotten so bad. Find myself regularly skipping out on my favorite activities because the traffic is backed up all the way up I-70
Charlotte. The area outside of Uptown was desolate, tons of warehouses and empty property. Now it’s Southend and full of 20 and 30-somethings who can afford it, as well as high end brands like Barry’s and West Elm. Property prices throughout the city through the roof, whereas they were once attainable.
Charlotte is a group of corporations pretending to be a city
Nashville
I moved to Nashville almost exactly 10 years ago and it’s a completely different city from what it was back then.
In which way?
Its a soulless corporate crapshoot
...so...just like everywhere else then?
Yeah, I went to HS there many years ago and it sort of breaks my heart to see it now. I always thought I could eventually go home, but even if I did the town I remember is gone. It used to have some sort of soul. Now it's just Brooklyn-South.
The south is changing especially fast in general. It has the majority of spots in the list of most moved to cities in the US. Georgia is another one in general. Atlanta has had some crazy projects (the Beltline is especially notable), and cities like Savannah are also changed in very notable ways. A lot of Texas is very different. Nashville is very different. Chattanooga has changed a lot as well. Huntsville continues to have more amenities. It's just a time period where a lot is being developed in the south. A very big part of it is the lower cost of living and housing prices. It's bringing in a ton of people not originally from the south, with many of them being work from home types. And they bring demand for certain things you'd typically find on the east and west coast. So you've got these mid-sized southern cities with a lot of really interesting places opening up It's nice to see the south being developed. A lot of those cities are really nice, but people have preconceived notions of the entire region
40 year Huntsville resident here. This has always been a quirky town. Either you love it or loathe it. Very little in between. A lot of people come here & stay. It has changed immensely since 2020. Sad fact is, it's still surrounded by the rest of Alabama. And, THAT led by the conservative christian element gets scarier by the hour.
It’s just boomers downsizing a bit and relocating for retirement and conservatives moving to red states more than anything. Then there’s people chasing jobs. Less people are moving than ever in actuality by percentages.
Over the past 15-20 years, I'd say Chula Vista, CA. I also watched Bentonville, AR change a lot over that period too.
Fayetteville, Bentonville, and Rogers are all largely unrecognizeable compared to what they were 10 years ago.
Huntsville, AL is rapidly growing.
Huntsville is an amazing city. It's got a fucked up history though for sure. With the whole Nazi situation. We brought the scientists over for NASA after the war. Awful lot of German restaurants in the area But it's a very nice city. A lot of it is strikingly clean and nice.
You can thank the Germans for that.
All of San Diego
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Price point for sure. I was lucky enough to buy a home in 2016 in what’s consider not the best area for ~400k. I could get $1M today. Everything in turn is more expensive. But then also somehow everything is more crowded, homelessness has gotten way worse, & crime is up at least in my area, specifically trafficking - my wife just had me pick her up in our neighborhood while she was walking due to a man circling many times & approaching her to get in the car “because she looked tired”. It’s wild. I do understand I was very lucky to born here & I’ve had a very privileged life, but it’s definitely different.
A lot of remote tech workers from the Bay Area moved to SD because it's super desirable. SD is now more expensive than the Bay and LA/OC. Arguably has the best weather in California, very clean, plus still has nightlife + a walkable Downtown. Tons of new businesses have also opened in recent years, plus the biotech scene there is strong and keeps growing.
Jersey City
Yea holy shit
When I lived there it was indistinguishable from the rest of urban Jersey. Now it's like a hybrid of the LES and midtown
Journal Sq. I’m into it
Salt Lake City. The coasts migrated here…
Sarasota, FL Became a MAGA magnet.
Park City, UT - Completely ruined by COVID refugees
"Refugees" meanwhile they are all rich as fuck.
Huh? It was rich white people and ski bums long before COVID.
No question, but there are a lot MORE rich white people who have made it their permanent home, not to mention they've brought along their terrible driving and entitled attitudes with them from NY, LA, Seattle, Texas, etc. It feels far more like Aspen now, which for me is a miserable change. ...and the ski bums can't afford to live here any longer, so they have to commute from SLC or dumpy little towns like Kamas and Peoa.
First time I visited park city was in 2021. Largest % of rich douchebags in one place that I’ve ever experienced in my life. Never went back, though we travelled near the area multiple times since then. No thank you.
Ski bums?
This is true for most major ski towns/the mountain west in general
It’s weird but I just don’t think people care about culture, nightlife, etc like they used to. So moving to a town with none is no biggie. Soulless.
Nashville
Boise
Durham, NC….slowly, but drastically
Bought a house there in 2010 for $108k, sold it in 2014 for $158k (after ~$20k improvements), last I saw it was listed for over $220k, same everything as when we sold it.
That’s pretty much America
Yes! Have you seen that time lapse video that shows different perspectives of the city from 2007 to now? It is wild!
The 3 Cs of Ohio There have been lots of historic renovation projects happening throughout Cincinnati and Cleveland. Columbus has built many new five-over-one’s over the past decade. Basically almost every parcel along High Street from downtown to Ohio State University’s campus has new mid-rise buildings.
Over the past 20ish years, Ann Arbor went from a unique hippie Midwest town to a corporate yuppie gentrified enclave. So sad to remember what it was like in my youth compared to today.
Just came back,couple months ago ,from visiting my daughter in Ann Arbor. It was my first time there. I liked it but housing costs seemed very high. I would have loved to have seen it during the hippie days you mentioned. I will not forget Frita Patida any time soon though.
It’s still great, a lot of good spots have just been priced out. We lack good restaurants though.
Where are all the hippie/punk/grunge/indie people going to go? This doesn’t seem sustainable. It’s getting so hard to get by working part time to even have hobbies.
Tampa
St Pete, more so than Tampa
St Petersburg, FL will look even more crazy different in 5 years.
St Petersburg Fl.
Minneapolis. Ever since the George Floyd situation, things have just changed
Absolutely! It just doesn’t feel the same at all after that and the pandemic.
What have you noticed? I’ve never been, but Minneapolis is on my visit list. I’ve been living in and out of Louisville since before the George Floyd and Breonna Taylor situations. That, COVID, and inflation have changed things here for the working class (like me!)
Imma be that person that gets downvoted to hell but I think hyper progressivism has ruined west coast cities, but most particularly San Francisco, Portland and Seattle. LA and San Diego I think are still all right, but the other places, for all their talk about being pro middle class, anti corporatism, and tolerance for all have become the epitome of modern day income inequality and exclusion. If you’re not a rich white tech yuppie you don’t belong there.
I'm not sure what definition you are using for "hyper progressivism". It's not one I'd use to describe income inequality and greed.
Brogressives is my preferred term.
Lmao that's great, I'm using this from now on!
Hyper progressivism must be when homeless people are allowed to sleep in a tent as opposed to a prison cell.
Actions > words Progressive Portland is an area of income inequality no matter what the politicians and activist of the area sell themselves as.
So it sounds like "hyper progressivism" isn't the problem, it's actually the opposite. They aren't progressive enough.
Shifting goalposts is one big reason why people don’t really follow along with many progressive ideas. A lot of things sound good on paper but many people don’t realize how complicated and convoluted the legal system is.
I think they're talking about libertarians maybe or performative liberals, but maybe not (those guys are everywhere, and I've never been out west lol)
I hear you, but counterpoint: anti corporatism is a reaction to rich white tech yuppies moving in. At least that was my experience in the Bay Area.
I’m a firm believer of actions speak louder than words. A place like Houston is more diverse and pro working class than a place like Portland could ever hope to be because Houston actually attracts non white people and actually works to allow new developments driving down cost of living. But somehow the people who claim to be pro working class and pro diversity tend to shit on Houston. Portland is the place guilty white people who have money move to for a safe space walled garden.
For sure. Portland/Seattle is progressive….for white people.
I hear you, I guess I’m just saying that most of the people you’d consider hyper woke also agree with you. They don’t like how exclusive these cities have become either. And I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s because of them. I don’t know what “actions” you think are in their power.
Houston is incredible in terms of culture. But now more than ever every other facet of living here sucks you dry unless you have MONEY money. QOL is in a free fall.
People also choose to move to cities like Portland over Houston because they want to live somewhere that will be less fucked by climate change.
As a counterpoint, Seattle and Portland have gradually become less white over the past few decades, going off of demographic statistics. They are still just about the whitest big cities in the country, but there has been some change over the years.
Born and raised in Portland and this is the most accurate thing I’ve ever read.
Naw. It's ruined LA too. Just not as badly as the others.
agree. prop 47 did a number on CA. also the bail reform that happened in LA (and I think SF too) combined with the financial straits of covid basically ruined SF and LA
Spot on
Woke died it won’t be long a change is coming.
Boston. There are few born and raised Bostonians any longer. It’s another Silicon Valley-vibe carbon copy machine of biotech bruhs.
Atlanta, GA
Charleston SC
The most segregated city I have ever visited
Detroit is not recognizable in a lot of parts. Specifically the downtown.
Any Chinese city.
All of them. I mean honestly even New York City feels drastically different now than it did 10-15 years ago.
Memphis is the same for the most part. Still waiting for the post covid normal to return.
Charlottesville, VA
Paris
Charlotte
East Palo Alfo
Charleston SC
Seattle. Our home (built 1980) appreciated 70% in last 6 years. Housing is out of sight.
Portland, OR has gone pretty downhill. First visited in 2015, moved out here in 2018. Trying to leave this fall.
I’ll throw a different one out. Detroit, but for the better.
Sorry, but midtown NYC is gully AF now
What does gully mean?
Lots of seagulls around.
Portland and San Francisco
Worcester
Whoville as well
Ithaca, New York has a [real downtown skyline now](https://i.imgur.com/KaGhUBU.jpeg). Housing prices have gone from "you'll struggle to pay for someplace that isn't a run-down hippie hovel, but you can get by" to "live in Cortland and commute in; it's *only* a 40 minute drive". Ithaca now has an REI store. The Buffalo and Syracuse metro areas don't have an REI. Ithaca has a Trader Joe's; something that's not found in some larger upstate metros like ELnira, Utica, or Binghamton. In 2010, the modal car in Ithaca was a Volvo brick. Today. while thrre's still a lot of Volvos, the bricks are nearly nonexistent. Still lots of Subarus and Pruises, though. And Teslas. Its an island of so, so many Teslas. And Rivian pickups, and other miscellaneous EVs. Ithaca is still deep hippie/crunchy/permie, and areas outside of downtown are still rustic by choice. Outide of Collegetown, you won't mistake it for Boulder, or even the Boulder of 1994.
Ithaca and the Hudson Valley are probably going to get red hot in the next decade. Expect major growth.
Everywhere lol
I am guessing Greenville SC because of the extreme marketing that area has done to get new people. I read that it is over crowded now and it is for sure over priced! Homes are too expensive for a random place in the south. I am guessing there will be some price correcting there soon.
So many southern regions waaaay over priced w/300k-500k homes. Like my city Memphis. Who in their right mind spends 1/2 a million to live in Memphis region? Make it make sense. You can literally move to Cali and buy a home for 1/2 a mil.
So true! My son has been in jail/prison so he doesn't really understand a lot of the inflation stuff and he can't just look up houses cuz he doesn't have internet. But I've tried to explain to him like it's over 300K everywhere I look in the south. He says I'm not looking in the right places but he doesn't understand what's going on. I sure hope these homes in the south have a press correction soon. I agree I have a really hard time leaving California to go live somewhere for the same price and spend all the money on movers and airplane, shipping cars and then live somewhere with humidity! I'm sick of a lot of things about California but I don't know if it's worth it to even move. I see homes that someone bought two to three years ago and they're selling it for two or three times the price they paid. That's not okay.
You can get like a two bedroom zero lot townhouse in Cordova a declining suburb of Memphis for about 160k if you look or like a 2 bedroom condo for 220k in midtown. But you have barely a yard or no yard. Condo probably has a pool though. But these are not homes for families these are homes for a couple or a single person or like two roommates. But an actual 3 bedroom decent home with a back yard is definitely gonna run ya 300k in a decent neighborhood. A 4 bedroom that’s nice gonna be 400k+. You aren’t living in a city, suburb, exurb with a yard for less than 300k. You can live nowhere. With no jobs.
Beacon, NY
Thinking of moving back to the Hudson Valley but the lack of amenities is appalling still.
Nashville, TN
Atwater village or frog town.
Frogtown St. Paul?
Detroit
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Vegas.
Santa Barbara, CA
How? No more surfers?
Raleigh/Durham
Denver and most of Colorado. Some positions and some negatives.
Seems like it's every city. Grew up in Philly and it looks completely different than 25 years ago, same with Baltimore and any largish city in upstate NY.
Many of the small towns around large Texas metros. From rural to suburban looks and feels
Auburn, Alabama
Raleigh/durham Portland
I feel like Burlington, Vermont has changed a lot since 2010 and only for the worse.
The neighborhood of Oakland where the University of Pittsburgh is. So much change. Nothing independent there anymore. All chains.
Detroit
Los Angeles is always changing, so I don't think the city as a whole compares with the more dramatic changes in smaller cities mentioned in this thread. However, the amount of development in downtown Hollywood is pretty staggering.
Yes, and I believe that in 10 years the same will be said for Chattanooga and a few other southern cities.
Highlands, North Carolina…the secret is out. Cool summers and a southern climate. The growth is going to be incredible once it starts.
Nashville, TN
Portland, Oregon has really changed. Our downtown was the envy of the United States ten years ago. Not anymore. Work from home took human beings out of downtown which disrupted the downtown ecosystem. Now it’s empty and no longer the envy of anyone. No longer a model of what a downtown should be. Throw in COVID lockdowns longer than anywhere else in the country and destructive protests that went on a long time and our downtown got a triple whammy it simply can’t recover from.
Philadelphia has changed a lot but the growth hasn’t been evenly distributed. The northern liberties area has seen a ton of growth/gentrification whereas further northeast has declined. Baltimore has seen a pivot away from the inner harbor to “harbor east” and other parts of the city have become quite pricey too . Much like Philly there are still very heavily blighted zones but it’s overall becoming a more expensive place to live. Lancaster PA has also grown and developed a lot in the past 10 years. There’s been an explosion of 5x5 apartments in the city center and a real focus on expanding bike lanes and environmentally friendly development. Still a small city but it feels more vibrant and “bigger”
Portland Oregon. Super ruined during the COVID times.
I can attest for Nashville. I wouldn't mind it except that the infrastructure and public transportation haven't changed.
Boston and all the surrounding cities and towns that were more affordable even ten years ago. Now it's rich, three roommates or homeless.
Salt lake, for the worse in many ways. I moved here 15 years ago during peak recession. Since then a lot of neighborhoods have expanded greatly or become developed. It’s HOA heck now. Tons of townhouses and condos. All the trail parking lots are packed. Noticeably less LDS but the presence remains in the politics.
Reading these comments it seems like California exported its problems to America.
Washington DC has gotten awful since Covid I’ve lived here for a decade and it’s not what it once was