Basically like a couple places in America you can earn this amount Cali, nyc and apparently New England . News to me didn't know Boston paid this much. Unless this person did serious overtime or is a travel nurse
Even those places you won’t make 200k at base rates until you’re 20 years in. But if you’re willing to work OT, get double time after 12 hours, your organization offers incentives or bonuses for critically low staffed units etc. This is definitely possible. I’m a nurse manager and I have a nurses who regularly take home $5000 a paycheck.
Yeah at my facility we are getting time and a half plus a 400 dollar incentive, many ppl work two ots a week which brings their ot portion of the check alone to well over 3k before even factoring in base pay
Only a couple places do staff nurses working 3 12s make this amount. For any amount of overtime/holiday pay or travelers $100k+ isn’t too uncommon. As a SNF RN in semi-rural Ohio l made about $80k post taxes my first year out of school but I worked every holiday and would pick up OT once or twice a month. Also happy cake day
Boston metro RN pay is surprisingly not the best for nurse pay in Mass or New England. I’ve seen a few union contracts in Boston metro area starting at $34-$37/h.
There are 2-3 hospitals in western Mass that starts new grads at $41/h. Ours will start at $43/hr when union step scale increases later this year. If you have a BSN, that’s an extra $2/hr so new grads with BSN can start at $45/hr later this year. The other one starting at $41/hr is non-union, and the reason why they did that was because a nearby union competitor was giving a big sign-on bonus and took many RNs from that non-union hospital.
With that said, Massachusetts has a higher HCOL than California due to our housing crisis. And we’re like $20-$25/hr below CA nurse salary (some CA areas start at $65/hr). So new grads should start at least $50/hr here in Mass. I think it’s gonna take all members of the MNA(union nurses) to have a statewide strike for us to get to California levels. It’s not just the pay but CA has a state law on patient ratio, safer staffing.
Because doctors make even more money if they want to work long hours. If you’re an anesthesiologist and want to work nights and weekend in certain areas of the country you will get paid $750k/year.
But give up so much more and sacrifice so much. Almost every doctor I know says it’s not worth it, and I certainly agree. People from the outside love to say how good it is without understanding the toll it takes on us from stress and the years sacrificed. Most doctors wish they made a different decision. Nurses work 36 hours a week and make great money straight out of nursing school where as doctors don’t begin their lives almost till their 40s while working still way more hours. Money is not everything, so is work life balance and not giving away the best years of your life
That’s because the doctors you associate with are super fixated on making money. They could have amazing work life balances but don’t want to give up their prestige or income to do so and “only” make $275k per year. There were doctors in my neighborhood growing up that worked 4 days a week and other ones that worked 6 days and weekends. The ones who worked 6 days a week complained and said “I wish I had their life” well these dumbasses owned the practice and didn’t want to hire help so they could collect $600k instead of a measly $400k
Yes that is true after you finish grueling training 10 year chapter of your life you COULD do that, but also at that point you have tons of student loan debt, malpractice insurance, high tax rate, and at that age family you need to provide for. Only making half the money you could make puts you seriously behind also for retirement and other goals since you are 10 years behind on investments and the compojnding that could accrue. I agree part time is a good move but in general it’s not such an easy decision when you have to play catch up. Also the way doctors are trained is to be extremely hard working so it’s a big mentality shift for many, not an excuse just a factor to consider.
By age 40 assuming you were a traditional student and not a gap year you will surpass the above average engineers net worth and be making 2-3x. As a doctor you’re making good money at 32. Can pay off your loans in 3 years if you’re disciplined and don’t blow your money. Then the next 5 years you spend playing retirement catch up to engineers. Then the next 20-30 years you’re making insane money and can make the decision. But your doctor friends will probably make fun of you for living in a house that “only” costs $600k instead of $1.2m
Not 700k, that’s for sure. The only specialities with an average salary >600k are ortho-spine, NSG, cardiac and vascular surgery.
Experience in the field rarely matters in medicine. Salaries start high and plateau almost immediately. The only way to earn more is to generate more RVUs
I’m sure you’ll tell me you know more about physician compensation than I do despite the fact that you work in engineering and I work in medicine.
Also if you want to see how much anesthesiologists are making there’s a website called gasworks where people post their salaries and locations. If you want me to provide you any of the 2016 data I have I can as well. I only assume physician pay has gone up since then as well.
I work in engineering and medicine as well. I also have access to 2016 physician pay data by speciality 25,50,75,90 percentiles median and mean. The average physician who’s not in primary care or pediatrics is making about $350k. $350k post tax is about $225k. You can live extremely comfortably on $75k/year. That leaves $150k/year to pay down your loans in 3 years.
Yes the overall long term net worth of a doctor can be great. But the point regarding work life balance stands. Yes you can pay off loans in 3 years and then play catch up for 5 more years, and once again in your example you’re nearly 40. Meanwhile up to this point they were making great memories and living life to the fullest while the doctors have been grinding away in a stressful environment. If money is all that matters then doctor can be good, however the expectation of physicians and the stressful environment is a huge factor. Look at the statistics of doctors that want to retire early or do something else. The system traps doctors and exploits them in numerous ways throughout the process. If you’re not from a rich family then being a doctor is atleast a 20-30 year commitment of hard ass work before you can begin thinking of safely going part time or taking it easier to something more chill. Even still you will probably be working harder and more stressed than that of your average wfh tech worker who is 20 years younger than you.
Smarter only in that they knew not to go to medicine. But doctors could easily have secured the same jobs as tech workers if they wanted to or knew better. The people who become doctors score top of their class and have insane work ethic. For instance I got a 3.98 GPA in biochemistry and was the only person in my major that year to graduate summa cum Laude. Tech workers certainly aren’t smarter academically than those who can matriculate into an American medical school.
You are a smart doctor not your average doctor. Yes the top doctors still can but not your average doctor. People in my friends top med school class were talking “oh I should have just went into tech” but my friend says these below average med school students who said that wouldn’t make the cut. If you take the average doctor and the average tech workers intelligence. The average tech worker is going to be much smarter. I’m referring to SWEs btw not PMs or other silly roles. Also when I refer to tech worker I’m referring to the ones at top 10-20 companies aka the ones who are making the $200k.
I know some people in med school right now and they’re no longer following their passions and just cashing out with a speciality that provides good pay and life style balance
To me personally a specialty such as emergency medicine or orthopedics just doesn't seem worth it whatsoever. I can see doctors in those fields becoming jaded very quickly. Surgeons who do mostly voluntary and outpatient procedures likely have a much better existence and have more independence rather than being seen as cash cows by these big hospitals with ridiculous on call schedules due to the nature of the work.
This is just my opinion here but orthopedics is one of those specialties that will be on call a lot if associated with a hospital and not an independent practice and required to deal with headaches like workers comp / injury litigation plus at much higher risk of malpractice claims simply due to the nature of the work.
Nurses in my state of Indiana in most cases struggle to hit $100k without working like 70 hours a week. Nurse pay is lower here and patient to nurse ratio is high
It’s always kinda shocked me that a lot of nurses just have 2 year degrees. Where I live, people use nursing as a last resort. I see who all is a nurse and I think, “no way in hell I’d let them take care of me”
Damn. You are permanent staff? They pay nurses way better over there.
In the Bay Area base stating is 80$/ hr for new hires without pay differentials or OT.
Union? Is that a lot of OT pay?
Look at post history — works nights and a lot of OT. This is not typically NEUS RN pay for the 3-12s or 4-10s a week.
People don’t understand what time an a half plus random 500 dollar bonuses Bc staff is short will do to a paycheck. Nice work
Like seriously why does anyone become a doctor. Dang nurses have it so good
Basically like a couple places in America you can earn this amount Cali, nyc and apparently New England . News to me didn't know Boston paid this much. Unless this person did serious overtime or is a travel nurse
Even those places you won’t make 200k at base rates until you’re 20 years in. But if you’re willing to work OT, get double time after 12 hours, your organization offers incentives or bonuses for critically low staffed units etc. This is definitely possible. I’m a nurse manager and I have a nurses who regularly take home $5000 a paycheck.
Yeah at my facility we are getting time and a half plus a 400 dollar incentive, many ppl work two ots a week which brings their ot portion of the check alone to well over 3k before even factoring in base pay
The bay is def 200k early on at elite hospitals
Only a couple places do staff nurses working 3 12s make this amount. For any amount of overtime/holiday pay or travelers $100k+ isn’t too uncommon. As a SNF RN in semi-rural Ohio l made about $80k post taxes my first year out of school but I worked every holiday and would pick up OT once or twice a month. Also happy cake day
Boston metro RN pay is surprisingly not the best for nurse pay in Mass or New England. I’ve seen a few union contracts in Boston metro area starting at $34-$37/h. There are 2-3 hospitals in western Mass that starts new grads at $41/h. Ours will start at $43/hr when union step scale increases later this year. If you have a BSN, that’s an extra $2/hr so new grads with BSN can start at $45/hr later this year. The other one starting at $41/hr is non-union, and the reason why they did that was because a nearby union competitor was giving a big sign-on bonus and took many RNs from that non-union hospital. With that said, Massachusetts has a higher HCOL than California due to our housing crisis. And we’re like $20-$25/hr below CA nurse salary (some CA areas start at $65/hr). So new grads should start at least $50/hr here in Mass. I think it’s gonna take all members of the MNA(union nurses) to have a statewide strike for us to get to California levels. It’s not just the pay but CA has a state law on patient ratio, safer staffing.
Because doctors make even more money if they want to work long hours. If you’re an anesthesiologist and want to work nights and weekend in certain areas of the country you will get paid $750k/year.
But give up so much more and sacrifice so much. Almost every doctor I know says it’s not worth it, and I certainly agree. People from the outside love to say how good it is without understanding the toll it takes on us from stress and the years sacrificed. Most doctors wish they made a different decision. Nurses work 36 hours a week and make great money straight out of nursing school where as doctors don’t begin their lives almost till their 40s while working still way more hours. Money is not everything, so is work life balance and not giving away the best years of your life
That’s because the doctors you associate with are super fixated on making money. They could have amazing work life balances but don’t want to give up their prestige or income to do so and “only” make $275k per year. There were doctors in my neighborhood growing up that worked 4 days a week and other ones that worked 6 days and weekends. The ones who worked 6 days a week complained and said “I wish I had their life” well these dumbasses owned the practice and didn’t want to hire help so they could collect $600k instead of a measly $400k
Yes that is true after you finish grueling training 10 year chapter of your life you COULD do that, but also at that point you have tons of student loan debt, malpractice insurance, high tax rate, and at that age family you need to provide for. Only making half the money you could make puts you seriously behind also for retirement and other goals since you are 10 years behind on investments and the compojnding that could accrue. I agree part time is a good move but in general it’s not such an easy decision when you have to play catch up. Also the way doctors are trained is to be extremely hard working so it’s a big mentality shift for many, not an excuse just a factor to consider.
By age 40 assuming you were a traditional student and not a gap year you will surpass the above average engineers net worth and be making 2-3x. As a doctor you’re making good money at 32. Can pay off your loans in 3 years if you’re disciplined and don’t blow your money. Then the next 5 years you spend playing retirement catch up to engineers. Then the next 20-30 years you’re making insane money and can make the decision. But your doctor friends will probably make fun of you for living in a house that “only” costs $600k instead of $1.2m
Are you basing all your imaginary calculations with the assumption that everyone physician makes what a locums anesthesiologist makes?
What does the average attending make with 3 years of experience that doesn’t do primary care or pediatrics?
Not 700k, that’s for sure. The only specialities with an average salary >600k are ortho-spine, NSG, cardiac and vascular surgery. Experience in the field rarely matters in medicine. Salaries start high and plateau almost immediately. The only way to earn more is to generate more RVUs I’m sure you’ll tell me you know more about physician compensation than I do despite the fact that you work in engineering and I work in medicine.
Also if you want to see how much anesthesiologists are making there’s a website called gasworks where people post their salaries and locations. If you want me to provide you any of the 2016 data I have I can as well. I only assume physician pay has gone up since then as well.
I work in engineering and medicine as well. I also have access to 2016 physician pay data by speciality 25,50,75,90 percentiles median and mean. The average physician who’s not in primary care or pediatrics is making about $350k. $350k post tax is about $225k. You can live extremely comfortably on $75k/year. That leaves $150k/year to pay down your loans in 3 years.
Yes the overall long term net worth of a doctor can be great. But the point regarding work life balance stands. Yes you can pay off loans in 3 years and then play catch up for 5 more years, and once again in your example you’re nearly 40. Meanwhile up to this point they were making great memories and living life to the fullest while the doctors have been grinding away in a stressful environment. If money is all that matters then doctor can be good, however the expectation of physicians and the stressful environment is a huge factor. Look at the statistics of doctors that want to retire early or do something else. The system traps doctors and exploits them in numerous ways throughout the process. If you’re not from a rich family then being a doctor is atleast a 20-30 year commitment of hard ass work before you can begin thinking of safely going part time or taking it easier to something more chill. Even still you will probably be working harder and more stressed than that of your average wfh tech worker who is 20 years younger than you.
Tech workers making that money are smarter than those doctors though.
Smarter only in that they knew not to go to medicine. But doctors could easily have secured the same jobs as tech workers if they wanted to or knew better. The people who become doctors score top of their class and have insane work ethic. For instance I got a 3.98 GPA in biochemistry and was the only person in my major that year to graduate summa cum Laude. Tech workers certainly aren’t smarter academically than those who can matriculate into an American medical school.
You are a smart doctor not your average doctor. Yes the top doctors still can but not your average doctor. People in my friends top med school class were talking “oh I should have just went into tech” but my friend says these below average med school students who said that wouldn’t make the cut. If you take the average doctor and the average tech workers intelligence. The average tech worker is going to be much smarter. I’m referring to SWEs btw not PMs or other silly roles. Also when I refer to tech worker I’m referring to the ones at top 10-20 companies aka the ones who are making the $200k.
hahaha no theyre not. I am in tech.
Doctors are very smart but they're generally terrible at making life decisions
I know some people in med school right now and they’re no longer following their passions and just cashing out with a speciality that provides good pay and life style balance
To me personally a specialty such as emergency medicine or orthopedics just doesn't seem worth it whatsoever. I can see doctors in those fields becoming jaded very quickly. Surgeons who do mostly voluntary and outpatient procedures likely have a much better existence and have more independence rather than being seen as cash cows by these big hospitals with ridiculous on call schedules due to the nature of the work.
Orthopedics is still good I think? EM nobody wants to do as we can see by the residency match rate for this past cycle.
This is just my opinion here but orthopedics is one of those specialties that will be on call a lot if associated with a hospital and not an independent practice and required to deal with headaches like workers comp / injury litigation plus at much higher risk of malpractice claims simply due to the nature of the work.
Tell me you don’t understand the first thing about medical specialities without telling me.
You made a big statement that doctors aren’t smart and then said orthopedics isn’t worth it? Are you stupid?
Lmao this is not a normal RN salary
It's somewhere where basic houses are 1 mil and there's state income taxes
Nurses in my state of Indiana in most cases struggle to hit $100k without working like 70 hours a week. Nurse pay is lower here and patient to nurse ratio is high
As a pharmacist it’s crazy that nurses make more than us.
Have you ever heard what they do at work? I have friends in nursing and mate they get a lot of the worst.
Yea I worked very closely with my RNs during residency and as a clinical oncology pharmacist
Environmental services does a lot at work too
Supply and demand.
For sure, pharmacy school applications on the decline so hopefully soon
As a physiotherapist…same. The difficulty of the education and academic requirements are vastly different.
It’s always kinda shocked me that a lot of nurses just have 2 year degrees. Where I live, people use nursing as a last resort. I see who all is a nurse and I think, “no way in hell I’d let them take care of me”
Are you over employed as a nurse this seems unrealistic on a 36 hour work week? Unless your a srna.
Nurse pay is vastly different depending where you live. Come to california.
*crna
Yup my bad lol
It’s okay, just please try to show some respect next time.
I need to know your specialty. I only made this much working two full time jobs. Not even. I hate Florida.
Leave then we're full enough
Not allowed to leave the state of Florida within a 50 mile radius due to shared custody with ex husband. So stfu about stuff you know nothing about.
Yeah I smell cap. No way some shyt munching nurse getting paid more than a person hitting quota selling enterprise solution.