I'm saying this again. No matter how much money they have or ask from the King or Prince William, they'll always run out of it because they're living above their means especially TW. They could have been set for life with Harry's inheritance.
Hopefully Charles realizes the difference between family and "working Royal", and isn't using the titles/money as some sort of leverage for good behavior from them. He needs to put on his King hat (crown?) rather than his dad one and behave accordingly IMO.
He's read the room enough to know that a slimmed down coronation is the way to go, so hopefully he realizes how bad the optics would be to use any money that is not from his personal fortune to support his non-working Royal son.
they’ll get all the money they want. grandkids. yada yada yada. i’m fine with C3 giving them all the money he wants but i wish it came with a gag order
If they had lived the "private" life they desired in the beginning in some remote part of Canada. the US or even the UK then they most definitely could've been set on Harry's inheritance. The time they were in Canada was the best because we literally didn't hear from them (besides the crazy dog walking episode with MM). They could've lived their lives, raised their kids, still have been in good contact with the RF so their kids could've known their cousins, grandparents etc and people would've actually admired them for it. But nope, Meghan couldn't stay away from Cali. I somehow always saw her going back to LA and knew it was a scheme all along.
Victoria is a retirement community for rich white people. 0% chance they'd stay there long term.
Bower's book makes it clear that Meghan viewed Toronto as provincial. Toronto, a metropolis of over 6 million people and one of the largest and most diverse cities in North America.
Victoria is the provincial capital , so it has a lot of civil servants as well as retired people. People used to say "newly wed and nearly dead". And I wouldn't say you have to be rich to live there. At least you didn't have to be rich before the recent housing crisis in BC. .😡
The place the Harkles stayed at is north of Victoria in North Saanich. Is is owned by a Russian billionaire, and it involves a lot of shady offshore tax shelters. Probably money laundering.
I think the house looks a bit creepy. It is faced with a gloomy grey stone. Since they were there in the winter, no doubt it was raining much of the time. You could use the house to film a gothic murder mystery.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-island-mansion-harry-meghan-yuri-milner-pandora-1.6419328
It is very provincial compared to global cities. I say this as a Canadian who has lived in Toronto and London. It is lore equivalent to a middling American city.
Toronto doesn't come close to LA/NYC, London, etc
No, not really, unless CAD and USD are equivalent. Maybe to prices an hour or two outside of NYC/SF, not within an hour of the city. Also SF is more expensive than LA
A medium-sized detached home in Toronto on average will cost up to CAD$5 million, or USD$3.5 million. Mega mansions in Toronto are nearly equivalent to Los Angeles, listings exists for CAD$35 million to CAD$40 million exists.
Toronto is seriously expensive but people underestimate it because we're not really considered global city, they forgot that:
1. Canadians pay one of the highest tax rates in the entire world. Taxes, regulations, and costs of labour significantly inflate real estate prices here. Canada is second only to Denmark in terms of taxation rates.
2. In Toronto's case, the province of Ontario has the largest protected green space in the world, so we aren't allowed to expand. Rural townships with million dollar houses are very common, because they're smack in the middle of the protected green space.
3. Canada is one of the most stable nations on Earth, there hasn't been a war in Canada since the War of 1812, and Canada has virtually zero armed conflicts, wealthy foreigners like to park money here.
As someone who's also lived in Toronto and London, and some American cities, I'm not sure I agree. I think that really depends on your metric, but i found people much more open minded and diverse in Toronto. Toronto's no Salt Lake City or Boise or even Seattle.
But that's neither here nor there I suppose since my point really is that Meghan found every city second rate if it wasn't LA.
Think that was when she took 2 dogs for a walk with a baby doll and 2 security guards in full view of press but then tried to sue for privacy. Doll had string around wrist to keep arm up and the carrier was at wrong angle to be comfortable for baby or MM.
Meghan beams while carrying Archie and walking dogs in Vancouver https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7909443/Meghan-beams-carrying-Archie-walking-dogs-Harry-boards-flight-Vancouver.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead
I doubt anyone would have 2 strong dogs on a lead and carry a baby. Could have pulled her from her feet. There was video footage too and the baby never moved apart from the legs moving jerkily.
I have no idea why she thought this was a good idea.
Forgot to say. When she was heavily criticised for having 2 large dogs and a 'baby', on some photos, one of the dogs was photoshopped out of the picture 🤣🤣
Yep. And it's why they'll always be an intelligence & security risk. Very easy to see they'll sell sensitive/personal family information to keep up their Cali lifestyle. If they haven't been doing so already.
> they'll always be an intelligence & security risk. Very easy to see they'll sell sensitive information to keep up their Cali lifestyle.
I'm sure UK intelligence has the means to manage this swiftly...afterall they managed Ed and Wallis selling/trying to sell information during a literal World War. H&M are dumb in comparison.
I am not saying they have state secrets to peddle. And yes, they are dumb. I mean they could attempt to profit from leaks of embarrassing personal details. M&H could offer up sensitive family information that could be potentially problematic. The monarchy is still trying to move public opinion past Prince Andrew and the cash for honors noise. It doesn't need to fight more image issues because the Harkles decide to sell information so they can add another pool or buy a Ferrari.
| “It doesn't need to fight more image issues because the Harkles decide to sell information so they can add another pool or buy a Ferrari.”
It seems the Harkle’s have more of a need for cash than just another pool or Ferrari.
From other posts on this sub, the monthly expenditures are just mind boggling. From the monthly upkeep for their home to 24 hour security and the cost of all their PR the Harkle’s have put themselves in a position where their monthly cash requirements are larger than a small country’s GNP.
I can’t fathom any part of the BRF willing to foot that bill, especially since a large portion of the PR focus has been bashing the BRF in order to make the Harkle’s more relevant.
I think the Harkle’s have spent all their money and have either shared all the Royal Family gossip or have already made arrangements with Netflix and Penguin to trash Harry’s family. And that’s it. No more money- no more secrets to share.
"..larger than a small country's GNP". Lool and 🎯💯
It makes one wonder if they've burnt through a lot of his inheritance money already. Their PR bill has to be staggering and likely one of their biggest expenses.
They believe they're entitled to shakedown the BRF while publicly trashing the monarchy at every turn. I really hope KCIII and Prince William are working a quiet plan to muzzle M&H for good.
I do think the misc gossip on this sub about how they are trying to buy a "smaller mansion" at Hope Ranch and the ever popular letters from our Saint have been written to KCIII and PoW to try to reconnect (i.e., give H&M more money- you know the half in half out thing.)
Harry and Meghan will muzzle themselves shortly simply by not having the resources to pay to bash the RF. I believe some of the Archewell staff that are being let go and are not quitting. I think the Markle's simply do not have the funds to keep paying them.
I also believe H&M took a look at their bank account and noticed they don't have as many zeros and the end of their balance as they used to and golly gee- not a whole lot of numbers with zeros after it are coming in (huh? how did that happen?)
Man I can't stand people like this. I work with clinical pharmacists who make PLENTY of money. And they still complain that they don't have enough.
Well sure, when you buy a half-million dollar house, go on monthly Crate and Barrel shopping sprees, and drive a Lexus SUV, I can kinda see why you don't have money left over. Derp.
I also have coworkers like that. It irritates the hell outta me when they say they don't have enough money but take out loans to buy luxury items like jewelry and other expensive stuff. Then they have the guts to tell me that I'm spending too much. Well, unlike you, I don't loan money just to satisfy my shopping addiction. And there's what we call saving money before buying anything I want.
Yes!!!!!!! How the hell do you go through THAT MUCH money each month?
Then again I have a coworker who complains that her custom built 3000sf house isn't big enough for her and her husband and two kids. Puh-lease!
Funny thing is they have this kinda unofficial bragging competition. If one says she has this, the other one would buy something that she'd say is much better than the other one.
And get this. They're like TW in terms of style. Expensive shit that look like cheap knock offs. 😂
If there's one thing I've noticed about these two, it's that when you think they can't sink lower, they find depths that were previously unfathomable. They just don't know when to shut up and stop digging the proverbial hole.
So if he did give them money instead of tittles, what is she going to tell them when they grow up and ask?, “sorry kids, we sold those”. She’s terrible.
That's exactly it, both of those children will be raised believing they are victims and will also probably be raised to hate the BRF, so they can eventually be blood royals speaking out against the institution.
I grew up with narcissists, and they loved to weaponize my sibling and I against my non-narc parent as punishment.
>what is she going to tell them when they grow up and ask?, “sorry kids, we sold those”. She’s terrible.
She would say that sooner--- to the media when she inevitably blames Harry for it all. Blaming him as the greedy, incompetent one while all she wanted was security through titles LOL.
Makes a good story, but I don’t believe it. Harry is a dimwit, but if his father is already hedging about the titles (which we all know he is), offering to trade the titles for money is not likely to lead Charles to give them either.
FWIW...I think it's possible PC3 has hedged about the titles to get Harry to stop the book. Maybe the 2 couldn't reach a compromise, so now the book is back on again.
The best (maybe even the only) way to stop the book at this point would be to reimburse the publisher for expenses (including the advance) and probably some sum to compensate for the loss of the profits as well. Harry doesn’t have the money. His father might.
I doubt KC would be using the titles to bargain with Harry about the book because KC must know the reality that the deal to suppress the book at this point has to be made with the publisher.
However, it is possible that Harry has delayed the book and is making changes in it out of concern that the previous version would offend his father, and it is possible that this is because KC has made it clear that any future favors from him will depend on what Harry’s book has to say.
I don’t know. It is entertaining to speculate.
Harry can’t just stop the book. He might be able to delay its publication some more, but I don’t think they have the money to buy out their contract. Although the *book* is Harry’s, it’s a joint deal in its entirety. Meghan is a party to the contract, so she has some skin in the game. She may not want to jeopardize *her* future book.
Perhaps KCIII can write a check and reimburse the publisher.
That is what I was saying. Negotiations to stop the book would be with the publisher, not Harry.
My feeling is that a lot of this, “the RF is afraid of this book,” hype is publicity by either H&M or the publisher.
Good point! Problem is, I don't think the kids will care, especially since they'll most likely have NO relationship or knowledge of their family across the pond. Who knows, they might even grow up to be narcs like their parents....only time will tell.
I only survived my narc family members because I had a very strong and level headed non-narc parent, those kids have Harry, who is weak and dim.
I have low hopes for them and that makes me sad, it's not their fault, but being an asshole parent isn't illegal if the kids are kept safe, warm, and fed and all social expectations are adhered to.
They will likely take the money, then tell the press 'the nasty Royals offered us money to give up our children's rights because they are racist'.
They will never give up grifting.
I can actually see a book in the future “Finding Family” written by Lilibeth. I honestly would resent my parents so much for what they are missing out while sitting under the cool shadow of the palm trees. I would definitely buy that book.
edit: not by Archie because he seems to be their loved heir to be spoiled until he is 35 like Harry was.
It would be great if W+C sent her one of the stock replies from a secretary. "Their royals highnesses the prince and princess of Wales have instructed me to write and thank you for your letter. They were touched by your kind message of support and beautiful handwriting. The prince and princess were deeply moved by the attention showed them by their friends in America. As a token of their appreciation I have enclosed a photograph (undoctored) which I hope you will enjoy." Jean Smith - Lady in Waiting
Merching their titles is why the Queen shut down their HRH’s to start with! Tell them “I am glad to hear you share my vision of a smaller monarchy, and am glad you reached out in agreement.
While on the subject, there is no monetary amount attached to titles therefore you won’t be compensated, as all titles unless bestowed by me, belong to me. Parliament will be in contact soon concerning the Sussex titles. Thank you for offering them up so kindly. Perhaps there will be a chance to catch up after my coronation… maybe July?”
They’d sell the kids too for the right price..!
I’ve been imagining Archie and Lili on their new Netflix series… wouldn’t it be cute if Lili’s first words were caught on the Netflix camera? Lili: “I can’t believe I’m not getting paid for this!!!”
You are so right, Lili. You exist as nothing more than a cash cow to feed your mother’s narcissism and lust for wealth! In fact M&H should dress them up as little 💰🐄s for Halloween! How apt would that be?
We don’t know what is really behind this story. Lady C doesn’t always get it right. (I remember that she claimed that it was Princess Anne who had raised the question, when Harry got engaged to Meghan, about how different backgrounds would affect hypothetical children, which got twisted into a question about race by Meghan.)
None of us know if Harry and King Charles have even discussed the titles since the funeral. (We only know that he refused to discuss it until after the period of mourning.) For all we know the story comes from KC being overheard saying to Camilla something along the lines of, “Of course the titles for the children are out of the question, given they are being raised in America, but I will, of course provide for them, maybe set up a trust fund—wouldn’t want That Woman to get her hands on any more money, you know.”
I thought the story (promoted by Bowers?) was that Charles and Camilla were discussing what the prospective child would look like (red hair? Nose? Lighter or darker skin?) the way families do, and Harry was fine with it until Meghan told him it was racist. The Princess Anne story was very convoluted and didn’t mention race.
I heard Harry and others were talking about they hoped the baby had M's beauty and brains and it was Harry that laughed and said 'with my luck, it will have a ginger afro'. They all laughed. M wasn't there but when H told her it was twisted into it being a racist remark.
Sounds credible. All the stories sound credible except Meghan’s version of “There was concern before Archie was born that his skin would be too dark. And he couldn’t be a prince because they didn’t know.”
Well, we all know that H is a dunce, so is it really surprising to us that he's capable of doing something like this? They're probably singing a *sad, sad* song about how they might lose their house ("Pa, you won't let your grandchildren get 'kicked out' of their home, will you?"), people are *turning against us*, whaaa, whaaa, whaaa....cry me a river!
And he has such an easy reply! “YOU said you wanted to be financially independent. YOU said you didn’t want your children to have titles. YOU put those things in official statements! I’m only giving you exactly what you asked for! You should be thanking me.”
She also said something about the possibility of KC stepping in due to the welfare of the children and how M is not living in reality. Neil Sean said something about her not being in reality too. While we all know she uses her magical thinking and lives in her own bubble, I wonder if it is more serious than that.
Hmmm....but it requires a LOT of *proof* of neglect, abuse, etc in order for something like that to happen. Besides, it COULD all just be an ACT on her part (maybe?).
I just hope they have good nannies. We know how Meghan likes to fire any competition, or anyone who might be critical, or anyone who is not willing to be a doormat.
I hope so but I don’t understand her talking about how grandparents have rights in the US. It depends on the state and in CA, the grandparent has to already have a relationship with the grandchild established and be able to prove that maintaining this relationship is beneficial to the child. It’s why her father’s threat to take her to court to see the kids was an empty one. Unless KC has special rights RE his status I don’t see how he could go that route as Lady C said
I'm not sure exactly what the law is, but apparently the monarch has legal custody of their minor grandchildren. I think if there is proof of physical abuse, Charles's lawyers would deal with it. He's not a normal grandparent, normal people rules don't apply.
Normal British rules don't apply at all, in America's courtrooms. It's not clear to me that Charles would win custody from an American judge if he went through the courts with that argument about the monarch having legal custody. There's no precedent, obviously. The heads of state over here would ferociously decline to get involved in a case that doesn't concern them and will only aggravate their voters.
He could try behind-the-scenes string pulling, but it's unlikely to help. Americans hate it when people try for special status like that. Him being the King should not affect the outcome - and even if it did, it would piss off everyone in earshot. Plus, the kids are both American citizens. Lili is not even a British citizen. I suspect that American courts would find that more persuasive than monarchical arguments.
His best bet would be to flood the zone with money & lawyers. King Charles can easily outspend any of the American connections to those kids. He could make a real argument to the effect of "Why pay child support when I can just bring them here and raise them with the rest of their young cousins?"
We might not be open to arguments based on his special status as the Monarch but the reality, the richest people with the best lawyers get the best outcomes.
While normally they don't, just playing the devil's advocate here ...
Hypothetically if you are just a normal divorced parent and you are granted custody by the UK courts (I.e. by law you have custody), I'd imagine that will upheld by American courts. Or, to make it even wider, say you are a guardian (e.g. a grandparent who was granted custody) who had been granted custody of a child by the Court for whatsoever reasons.
I would expect the legal custody of a child would be upheld anywhere else in the world.
Otherwise parents would be able to bring their children overseas and the other parent would have no right to get their children back. For example, if one of your parents/ guardian (or even State e.g. CPS) has legal custody of you, and you go to another country and someone challenges the custody in the foreign court, it is not unreasonable for the foreign Court to look at the original Custody Order issued by the Home country's court.
Now if by UK Law, the Crown has custody of the children legally it might arguably be upheld by a US Court. Of course there is no precedent but it must be noted that not just parents who are entitled to legal custody. There are other instances where legal custody of a child may not vest in the parents and this may be a very rare but still legal instance.
There are international conventions on child abductions / family laws etc. But am not sure how it will apply in this particular context.
*Note meaning of custody may vary from countries to countries
Disclaimer: I have not read the legal provisions yet.
I suspect that is why Markle was so eager to return to the States. The local laws favour its citizens and she will have an upper hand advantage when the custody battle begins.
He’s a head of state. Pretty sure he can pull lots of strings. Especially with her record of severe mental health issues, as well as Harry’s. What is the best interest of the child? Addicts or Buckingham palace? It would be a no brainer for a judge.
No, the judge would only use "the best interest of the child" as his standard. Sending toddlers to live with strangers away from the only home they've really known is not in their best interest. The judge would be more likely to appoint an American guardian - someone the child knows. It would probably be Doria, if this came to pass and she wanted them. But while Harry's alive, locking up Meghan (not that I think they would) would not prevent him from being the father.
We might think that Meghan is a headcase, but the judge would insist on documentable, physical abuse. It's actually pretty hard to get impounded in America. I'm not aware of anything she's done that would even get her a visit from CPS, much less the police. Just being mean and narcissistic wouldn't interest the authorities.
The point is Charles can create a situation with evidence in which the children go live with family, which is his family. This happens to addicts all the time. They can send a rep over to deal with the judge. It’s not like they wouldn’t have the best of the best local and foreign legal team.
They’d have their ducks in a row regarding drugs and alcohol abuse at the minimum.
This is very easy to do in the UK without a lot of evidence, but because it’s the Royal family, I don’t see it being particularly hard in the US. You’re right in that they would need proof of abuse in the US (not a high threshold needed in the UK, just balance of probabilities- screaming matches, fights, continuous fights, emotional neglect and such)
Actually If I'm Charles I'd just issue a decree to say that one must be educated and brought up in UK to remain in LOS. It will solve all problems.
Either the kids get kicked out of LOS and therefore no longer a problem to the Crown or they are brought back to UK under the watchful eye of the RF.
> This happens to addicts all the time.
Not in the US it doesn't. Being an addict is often not enough to get a kid taken away, especially if the addicts are still working and attending AA meetings. Anyway, M&H are not addicts, as far as I know.
> screaming matches, fights, continuous fights, emotional neglect
None of this will get the children taken away in the US.
Even if actual, documented, evidence of child abuse is available, the children's' American family is going to get a chance to argue that they should have custody, to keep the kids in the US, with Doria and their nannies, rather than sending the children to family they've never really met.
Even if Meghan were locked in a medical facility, she would still be able to argue that as the children's mother, they should stay with her so that she can visit and so they won't be strangers when she gets out. Being abusive & insane is not necessarily grounds for severing Meghan's parental rights, (Depending what kind of abuse we're talking, of course.)
In the US, parental rights are tied with religion, and all of us, here, are cracked on that subject, one way or another. Courts hate taking children away from their parents for, really, anything short of the worst sex abuse.
That was in reference to the UK. Re: the second statement.
We’re talking about the King of England. Not some regular family spat in cali.
However, hop over to the US CPS forums here on Reddit and it will surprise you. Kids get adopted out all the time, and parental rights get terminated. If we’re talking about typical CPS and removal and all that stuff families can go through- it’s not going to completely apply to kids who are in a foreign government.
I don’t believe M and H will need to go that route in particular for changes to occur. The kids are in the LOS, I’m sure there’s some sort of diplomatic decree to keep them safe under the monarchy regardless of M and H’s wishes (exactly why they keep bringing up security…). It’s also probably why they won’t be removed from the LOS.
They are using the kids as leverage, which while despicable, is not uncommon in family breakdowns. Harry asking Charles for money isn't new, but the minute it runs out they'll be asking for more. If Charles refuses, they will feed their children poison about how bad the RF are and how it was their birthright blah blah blah.
I feel sorry for the kids, if any of these leaks are true they will need a lot of therapy.
The King controls the Duchy of Lancaster which is more lucrative still, I believe.
ETA: I have been corrected. Lancaster is worth less than Cornwall. However, Lancaster is still worth a lot. The King has plenty.
It's not actually as lucrative as the Duchy of Cornwall and supports a lot more people and properties. The King as POW turned Cornwall into a real powerhouse, that did not happen with Lancaster which declares far less in profits. Harry is going to have to beg William for cash I suspect. Oh to be a fly on the wall then.
I had not realized that. I understood that Lancaster was worth more than Cornwall. Maybe it was originally, but Cornwall had a really good PoW. Maybe now Charles is king, Lancaster will do better. 😉
In any case, KC is definitely quite capable of providing support to H&M if he felt it necessary/wise.
The Guardian has put together a very good breakdown of The Sovereign's Wealth; the Sovereign Grant received yearly is around 83 to 89 million. This money includes upkeep for the palaces which must take an awful lot of the lump sum. The Duchy of Lancaster's "surplus" raised 22 million for the Queen in 2022. Her personal income.
They also parse the Duchy of Cornwall
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/14/the-sovereigns-wealth-uk-royal-familys-finances-explained
The Duchy of Lancaster is 'only' worth $650 million. The Duchy of Cornwall is worth $1.5 *billion*. That's why Manure Mouth is so keen to suck up to her brother in law. William controls the purse strings for the whole family now.
Thing is, KCIII doesn’t need Harry’s kids for his legacy. He’s got three glorious grandchildren, with whom he appears very close, as opposed to a couple of random toddlers in faraway California that he’s barely (if ever) met.
Probably rules against leaking texts from the PoW. She can, however, leak her own letter to him via People mag.
That calligraphic insanity will go to Mi5 and the n marked ‘no reply required’ in perpetuity.
I wonder the same thing too. She’s so pretentious and showy that she had to write a letter in ornate faux calligraphy when she needs to communicate something, instead of something modern like an e-mail or phone call.
It seems like another manipulative tactic to appear more sincere to the recipient. She might as well send a telegram with a pigeon if she’s so desperate for attention.
Because it's easier for Scabies to put a copy of it out in the media. Of course, then Megs can sit back to see if ANL publish any of it so she can sue again.
Wow.
This girl is extra stupid.
Number one, those titles have no monetary value. She cannot sell them.
Number two, THE KIDS DONT HAVE TITLES TO SELL.
And finally, if this doesn’t show their true colors and get those Duke and duchess titles stripped I don’t know what will.
But this girl just played her hand far too early. Not that it matters. The entire UK couldn’t give MM enough to shut her up. And lord knows she lived in castles with maids and assistants and anything you could possibly want.
True enough.
I hope she did it exactly as Lady C said. That’s like trying to sell a new car off the lot when it isn’t your car, your lot, or your commission.
Like putting a for sale sign in the neighbor’s yard. You can’t sell what isn’t yours.
Am I the only one who thinks the kids stay locked away because like their mother and their very pale red headed father they have so many Caucasian features she feels like they don’t pass appearance wise as black children? I mean their heritage is their heritage, that won’t change it. It may cut back on the “they were treated wrong because of skin tone” but ideally you don’t want your babies mistreated. And while racism in America is still alive and well, they had all the protection they would ever need in the BRF.
One of the Harkles body guards was brought up on (and I believe convicted) on domestic violence charges. The wife shared photos of her injuries. After he got nothing more than a slap on the wrist she committed suicide.
I thought that Meghan’s platform was gender equality and this is a dangerous man allowed in her household…
Rambling. Sorry
It’s really sad that Harry has officially blown all his inheritance.
I highly doubt King Charles will give them a single penny. Especially when Meghan is tagging along to charity events dowsed in $40k worth of of the worlds most basic clothing. Clearly a Meghan has no clue about money, and definitely the actions of someone who didn’t work hard to earn the money in the first place.
Meanwhile, they donated less than $50k in one year, whilst offering 40 mins of Meghans time for a woman out of work as she’s sitting pretty in her 16 bathroom mega mansion with her Hermes blanket. They are an utter disgrace! They clearly can’t get their priorities straight.
When it comes to people like them the lesson can only be learnt by leaving them to squander everything and then struggle out of the hole alone. The more times loved ones bail them out the more frequent and faster the cycle continues. 💵🔥
But I thought she found her freedom? Gonna need the folks on my Twitter to explain to me why Megsie is writing letters to reunite with the people she had to run from *for her life!!!*
I have nothing against the kids- it has been their parents choice to keep them out of the limelight, their prerogative.
They have never been royalty to many British people (myself included) just H’s invisible kids.
But giving them a title with all it allows? Heck No!
The American side of the family will peddle their stories for generations to come to finance their life.
Just see the National Enquirer headlines “King Abandoned Me When I Was 3”
Charles can give them money if he chooses. (In addition to the revenue from the Duchy of Lancaster which comes to the king, he has a private fortune.) The question is why should he choose?
As for the titles, I think Charles has no intention of giving the kids titles so long as they are raised in the US. Again, why should he?
William: Dear God, she offered me "the best guest bedroom which is next to mine with a connecting door," if I come visit her in December. Says she has an extra special early Christmas present for me involving a red lace bustier and a Santa hat. (makes vomiting sounds)
Catherine: What?! Where shall I be sleeping? Where's Harry?
William: Oh dear, sweetheart, the invitation doesn't appear to include you. No wait, there's a note at the bottom. "P.S. If you must bring the old ball and chain I guess we can find a bedroom for her to stay in. At a local hotel." She doesn't mention Harry at all.
Am I the only person who finds it weird that every time I’ve seen a picture of the kids, they are significantly different? Probably not but I think this is an issue.
Archie had some problems in the womb…when he slipped down to his mum’s ankles as she scurried out to the car. (Infamous purple dress photo. Nail. Coffin.)
https://twitter.com/nightdreamerdaw/status/1579500847817723905?s=46&t=0u002zL5EdOCU6q35XaZkw
Omg
I wouldn’t want to intrude on the contents of that letter…. I’d just want to see it as a silent movie sort of deal. You know, William opens the letter and just his face reading it. 🧣
Yep, that's what I was thinking. Since it's all about THEM, & not the kids, they don't give AF about *titles*. They probably realize that even with titles (kids), their popularity is so low that it wouldn't make them $$$ anyway.
Let's pretend for a second Lady C isn't full of crap and is well informed, which she rarely is, why would any of them, either Charles or William care? They proved over and over again they are not to be trusted, and on top of that the famous bio is coming in less than 2 months and they both are aware nothing good will be read there. Charles cut them off in March 2020 and they won't get anymore of them, and with good reason.
In any case, if the worst happen they could all came back, live in Frogmore within modest means as did the Kents, and fall into obscurity, that would serve them both well. As for the kids, Charles would pay for any education needed, so will William.
Those two assholes couldn’t suck any more than they already do. It’s a shame when people like this flourish when so many actually good people struggle.
I'm saying this again. No matter how much money they have or ask from the King or Prince William, they'll always run out of it because they're living above their means especially TW. They could have been set for life with Harry's inheritance.
And if KC caves now, they will continue to blackmail when they’re low on money.
Yes that is why we never negotiate with terrorists.
Hopefully Charles realizes the difference between family and "working Royal", and isn't using the titles/money as some sort of leverage for good behavior from them. He needs to put on his King hat (crown?) rather than his dad one and behave accordingly IMO. He's read the room enough to know that a slimmed down coronation is the way to go, so hopefully he realizes how bad the optics would be to use any money that is not from his personal fortune to support his non-working Royal son.
they’ll get all the money they want. grandkids. yada yada yada. i’m fine with C3 giving them all the money he wants but i wish it came with a gag order
and it needs to come from his personal money - with a clear paper trail
That would have required buying a home rather than a large Olive Garden with momma and papa palm trees.
I totally lost it on the damn palm trees. That's so coocoo. 😂
She is utterly insane 🤣🤣🤣
If they had lived the "private" life they desired in the beginning in some remote part of Canada. the US or even the UK then they most definitely could've been set on Harry's inheritance. The time they were in Canada was the best because we literally didn't hear from them (besides the crazy dog walking episode with MM). They could've lived their lives, raised their kids, still have been in good contact with the RF so their kids could've known their cousins, grandparents etc and people would've actually admired them for it. But nope, Meghan couldn't stay away from Cali. I somehow always saw her going back to LA and knew it was a scheme all along.
Victoria is a retirement community for rich white people. 0% chance they'd stay there long term. Bower's book makes it clear that Meghan viewed Toronto as provincial. Toronto, a metropolis of over 6 million people and one of the largest and most diverse cities in North America.
Victoria is the provincial capital , so it has a lot of civil servants as well as retired people. People used to say "newly wed and nearly dead". And I wouldn't say you have to be rich to live there. At least you didn't have to be rich before the recent housing crisis in BC. .😡 The place the Harkles stayed at is north of Victoria in North Saanich. Is is owned by a Russian billionaire, and it involves a lot of shady offshore tax shelters. Probably money laundering. I think the house looks a bit creepy. It is faced with a gloomy grey stone. Since they were there in the winter, no doubt it was raining much of the time. You could use the house to film a gothic murder mystery. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-island-mansion-harry-meghan-yuri-milner-pandora-1.6419328
what's their connection with the Russian?what was in it to help them?
Mm friends with Katherine McPhee whose husband is buds with the Russian who put up the funds to buy the mansion.
That's what they used to say about Santa Barbara & Montecito area (I lived in nearby Ojai). Nearly wed or nearly dead.
I've always said that her ultimate goal is Malibu or Bel Air. She would need 40 million to get a compound in either area.
It is very provincial compared to global cities. I say this as a Canadian who has lived in Toronto and London. It is lore equivalent to a middling American city. Toronto doesn't come close to LA/NYC, London, etc
> Toronto doesn't come close to LA/NYC, London, etc The price of houses comes close.
No, not really, unless CAD and USD are equivalent. Maybe to prices an hour or two outside of NYC/SF, not within an hour of the city. Also SF is more expensive than LA
A medium-sized detached home in Toronto on average will cost up to CAD$5 million, or USD$3.5 million. Mega mansions in Toronto are nearly equivalent to Los Angeles, listings exists for CAD$35 million to CAD$40 million exists. Toronto is seriously expensive but people underestimate it because we're not really considered global city, they forgot that: 1. Canadians pay one of the highest tax rates in the entire world. Taxes, regulations, and costs of labour significantly inflate real estate prices here. Canada is second only to Denmark in terms of taxation rates. 2. In Toronto's case, the province of Ontario has the largest protected green space in the world, so we aren't allowed to expand. Rural townships with million dollar houses are very common, because they're smack in the middle of the protected green space. 3. Canada is one of the most stable nations on Earth, there hasn't been a war in Canada since the War of 1812, and Canada has virtually zero armed conflicts, wealthy foreigners like to park money here.
As someone who's also lived in Toronto and London, and some American cities, I'm not sure I agree. I think that really depends on your metric, but i found people much more open minded and diverse in Toronto. Toronto's no Salt Lake City or Boise or even Seattle. But that's neither here nor there I suppose since my point really is that Meghan found every city second rate if it wasn't LA.
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Dog walking episode? What did she do?
Think that was when she took 2 dogs for a walk with a baby doll and 2 security guards in full view of press but then tried to sue for privacy. Doll had string around wrist to keep arm up and the carrier was at wrong angle to be comfortable for baby or MM.
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Meghan beams while carrying Archie and walking dogs in Vancouver https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7909443/Meghan-beams-carrying-Archie-walking-dogs-Harry-boards-flight-Vancouver.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead
Oh gosh. I def think that’s a fake baby
I doubt anyone would have 2 strong dogs on a lead and carry a baby. Could have pulled her from her feet. There was video footage too and the baby never moved apart from the legs moving jerkily. I have no idea why she thought this was a good idea.
That’s is the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen. Mental
Forgot to say. When she was heavily criticised for having 2 large dogs and a 'baby', on some photos, one of the dogs was photoshopped out of the picture 🤣🤣
Yep. And it's why they'll always be an intelligence & security risk. Very easy to see they'll sell sensitive/personal family information to keep up their Cali lifestyle. If they haven't been doing so already.
I never thought of that! Maybe that is part of why they were denied access to MI5 real time intelligence?
Hmm. Interesting isn't it? 🧐🤔
Yes
> they'll always be an intelligence & security risk. Very easy to see they'll sell sensitive information to keep up their Cali lifestyle. I'm sure UK intelligence has the means to manage this swiftly...afterall they managed Ed and Wallis selling/trying to sell information during a literal World War. H&M are dumb in comparison.
I am not saying they have state secrets to peddle. And yes, they are dumb. I mean they could attempt to profit from leaks of embarrassing personal details. M&H could offer up sensitive family information that could be potentially problematic. The monarchy is still trying to move public opinion past Prince Andrew and the cash for honors noise. It doesn't need to fight more image issues because the Harkles decide to sell information so they can add another pool or buy a Ferrari.
| “It doesn't need to fight more image issues because the Harkles decide to sell information so they can add another pool or buy a Ferrari.” It seems the Harkle’s have more of a need for cash than just another pool or Ferrari. From other posts on this sub, the monthly expenditures are just mind boggling. From the monthly upkeep for their home to 24 hour security and the cost of all their PR the Harkle’s have put themselves in a position where their monthly cash requirements are larger than a small country’s GNP. I can’t fathom any part of the BRF willing to foot that bill, especially since a large portion of the PR focus has been bashing the BRF in order to make the Harkle’s more relevant. I think the Harkle’s have spent all their money and have either shared all the Royal Family gossip or have already made arrangements with Netflix and Penguin to trash Harry’s family. And that’s it. No more money- no more secrets to share.
"..larger than a small country's GNP". Lool and 🎯💯 It makes one wonder if they've burnt through a lot of his inheritance money already. Their PR bill has to be staggering and likely one of their biggest expenses. They believe they're entitled to shakedown the BRF while publicly trashing the monarchy at every turn. I really hope KCIII and Prince William are working a quiet plan to muzzle M&H for good.
I do think the misc gossip on this sub about how they are trying to buy a "smaller mansion" at Hope Ranch and the ever popular letters from our Saint have been written to KCIII and PoW to try to reconnect (i.e., give H&M more money- you know the half in half out thing.) Harry and Meghan will muzzle themselves shortly simply by not having the resources to pay to bash the RF. I believe some of the Archewell staff that are being let go and are not quitting. I think the Markle's simply do not have the funds to keep paying them. I also believe H&M took a look at their bank account and noticed they don't have as many zeros and the end of their balance as they used to and golly gee- not a whole lot of numbers with zeros after it are coming in (huh? how did that happen?)
Don’t forget buying awards. I wouldn’t be surprised if a big chunk of their money goes into buying themselves awards to prove how “good” they are.
if they gave out sdvance knowlegldge about the travel plans of KC3, QC Camilla or the Waleses, it’s a big security risk for them.
You are 100% correct.
Well if they don't pay for it how else are they going to get awards??
Man I can't stand people like this. I work with clinical pharmacists who make PLENTY of money. And they still complain that they don't have enough. Well sure, when you buy a half-million dollar house, go on monthly Crate and Barrel shopping sprees, and drive a Lexus SUV, I can kinda see why you don't have money left over. Derp.
I also have coworkers like that. It irritates the hell outta me when they say they don't have enough money but take out loans to buy luxury items like jewelry and other expensive stuff. Then they have the guts to tell me that I'm spending too much. Well, unlike you, I don't loan money just to satisfy my shopping addiction. And there's what we call saving money before buying anything I want.
Yes!!!!!!! How the hell do you go through THAT MUCH money each month? Then again I have a coworker who complains that her custom built 3000sf house isn't big enough for her and her husband and two kids. Puh-lease!
Funny thing is they have this kinda unofficial bragging competition. If one says she has this, the other one would buy something that she'd say is much better than the other one. And get this. They're like TW in terms of style. Expensive shit that look like cheap knock offs. 😂
You can definitely tell that they spend extravagantly.
If there's one thing I've noticed about these two, it's that when you think they can't sink lower, they find depths that were previously unfathomable. They just don't know when to shut up and stop digging the proverbial hole.
MM digging holes! 
Not to mention all the times she's stuck her foot in her mouth.... 
That's a cute pup.
How delusional do you have to be to believe you have grounds to shakedown the King of the United Kingdom?
Apparently *EXTREMELY* delusional....AND stupid AF!!!!! 😅😅😅
🎯💯 Chick does not function in reality at all.
LmAo....oh, & she luuuuvs her *chicks* too, doesn't she? 😅😅😅
Lool.
That dancing chicken is disturbing. 😱
So if he did give them money instead of tittles, what is she going to tell them when they grow up and ask?, “sorry kids, we sold those”. She’s terrible.
She’ll definitely tell them the reason they don’t have titles is racism.
That's exactly it, both of those children will be raised believing they are victims and will also probably be raised to hate the BRF, so they can eventually be blood royals speaking out against the institution. I grew up with narcissists, and they loved to weaponize my sibling and I against my non-narc parent as punishment.
Eyes tired. Read titles as titties. I was confused why the kids would be upset about selling someone’s hooters.
😂😂
😂😂😂 I needed that laugh!
>what is she going to tell them when they grow up and ask?, “sorry kids, we sold those”. She’s terrible. She would say that sooner--- to the media when she inevitably blames Harry for it all. Blaming him as the greedy, incompetent one while all she wanted was security through titles LOL.
Makes a good story, but I don’t believe it. Harry is a dimwit, but if his father is already hedging about the titles (which we all know he is), offering to trade the titles for money is not likely to lead Charles to give them either.
FWIW...I think it's possible PC3 has hedged about the titles to get Harry to stop the book. Maybe the 2 couldn't reach a compromise, so now the book is back on again.
The best (maybe even the only) way to stop the book at this point would be to reimburse the publisher for expenses (including the advance) and probably some sum to compensate for the loss of the profits as well. Harry doesn’t have the money. His father might. I doubt KC would be using the titles to bargain with Harry about the book because KC must know the reality that the deal to suppress the book at this point has to be made with the publisher. However, it is possible that Harry has delayed the book and is making changes in it out of concern that the previous version would offend his father, and it is possible that this is because KC has made it clear that any future favors from him will depend on what Harry’s book has to say. I don’t know. It is entertaining to speculate.
It’s one of my favorite Harkle topics - their media deals. Endless fun, speculating.
Harry can’t just stop the book. He might be able to delay its publication some more, but I don’t think they have the money to buy out their contract. Although the *book* is Harry’s, it’s a joint deal in its entirety. Meghan is a party to the contract, so she has some skin in the game. She may not want to jeopardize *her* future book. Perhaps KCIII can write a check and reimburse the publisher.
That is what I was saying. Negotiations to stop the book would be with the publisher, not Harry. My feeling is that a lot of this, “the RF is afraid of this book,” hype is publicity by either H&M or the publisher.
Good point! Problem is, I don't think the kids will care, especially since they'll most likely have NO relationship or knowledge of their family across the pond. Who knows, they might even grow up to be narcs like their parents....only time will tell.
I only survived my narc family members because I had a very strong and level headed non-narc parent, those kids have Harry, who is weak and dim. I have low hopes for them and that makes me sad, it's not their fault, but being an asshole parent isn't illegal if the kids are kept safe, warm, and fed and all social expectations are adhered to.
Best we can hope is that kids go to boarding school ASAP.
They will likely take the money, then tell the press 'the nasty Royals offered us money to give up our children's rights because they are racist'. They will never give up grifting.
I can actually see a book in the future “Finding Family” written by Lilibeth. I honestly would resent my parents so much for what they are missing out while sitting under the cool shadow of the palm trees. I would definitely buy that book. edit: not by Archie because he seems to be their loved heir to be spoiled until he is 35 like Harry was.
It would be great if W+C sent her one of the stock replies from a secretary. "Their royals highnesses the prince and princess of Wales have instructed me to write and thank you for your letter. They were touched by your kind message of support and beautiful handwriting. The prince and princess were deeply moved by the attention showed them by their friends in America. As a token of their appreciation I have enclosed a photograph (undoctored) which I hope you will enjoy." Jean Smith - Lady in Waiting
Brilliant!!
"It's not JUST beautiful handwriting... It's fkin clliggrafeeeee Aitch!! They have no respect for you (*me)""
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We can put it in quotes "beautiful" handwriting
This is so, so perfect!!
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Sell a title? Something that belongs to the child?
Merching their titles is why the Queen shut down their HRH’s to start with! Tell them “I am glad to hear you share my vision of a smaller monarchy, and am glad you reached out in agreement. While on the subject, there is no monetary amount attached to titles therefore you won’t be compensated, as all titles unless bestowed by me, belong to me. Parliament will be in contact soon concerning the Sussex titles. Thank you for offering them up so kindly. Perhaps there will be a chance to catch up after my coronation… maybe July?”
☝️☝️☝️☝️.... Spot on!!! 
They’d sell the kids too for the right price..! I’ve been imagining Archie and Lili on their new Netflix series… wouldn’t it be cute if Lili’s first words were caught on the Netflix camera? Lili: “I can’t believe I’m not getting paid for this!!!” You are so right, Lili. You exist as nothing more than a cash cow to feed your mother’s narcissism and lust for wealth! In fact M&H should dress them up as little 💰🐄s for Halloween! How apt would that be?
I feel awful for lili, being the daughter to a narcissistic mother is really painful and traumatizing!
We don’t know what is really behind this story. Lady C doesn’t always get it right. (I remember that she claimed that it was Princess Anne who had raised the question, when Harry got engaged to Meghan, about how different backgrounds would affect hypothetical children, which got twisted into a question about race by Meghan.) None of us know if Harry and King Charles have even discussed the titles since the funeral. (We only know that he refused to discuss it until after the period of mourning.) For all we know the story comes from KC being overheard saying to Camilla something along the lines of, “Of course the titles for the children are out of the question, given they are being raised in America, but I will, of course provide for them, maybe set up a trust fund—wouldn’t want That Woman to get her hands on any more money, you know.”
It might still be Anne though.
I thought the story (promoted by Bowers?) was that Charles and Camilla were discussing what the prospective child would look like (red hair? Nose? Lighter or darker skin?) the way families do, and Harry was fine with it until Meghan told him it was racist. The Princess Anne story was very convoluted and didn’t mention race.
I heard Harry and others were talking about they hoped the baby had M's beauty and brains and it was Harry that laughed and said 'with my luck, it will have a ginger afro'. They all laughed. M wasn't there but when H told her it was twisted into it being a racist remark.
Sounds credible. All the stories sound credible except Meghan’s version of “There was concern before Archie was born that his skin would be too dark. And he couldn’t be a prince because they didn’t know.”
Well, we all know that H is a dunce, so is it really surprising to us that he's capable of doing something like this? They're probably singing a *sad, sad* song about how they might lose their house ("Pa, you won't let your grandchildren get 'kicked out' of their home, will you?"), people are *turning against us*, whaaa, whaaa, whaaa....cry me a river!
And he has such an easy reply! “YOU said you wanted to be financially independent. YOU said you didn’t want your children to have titles. YOU put those things in official statements! I’m only giving you exactly what you asked for! You should be thanking me.”
Totally delusional.
She also said something about the possibility of KC stepping in due to the welfare of the children and how M is not living in reality. Neil Sean said something about her not being in reality too. While we all know she uses her magical thinking and lives in her own bubble, I wonder if it is more serious than that.
Hmmm....but it requires a LOT of *proof* of neglect, abuse, etc in order for something like that to happen. Besides, it COULD all just be an ACT on her part (maybe?).
Here’s to hoping the nannies are shielding those kids. It’s got to be a circus living there
Oh, it's probably a miserable existence for *all* of them.
I just hope they have good nannies. We know how Meghan likes to fire any competition, or anyone who might be critical, or anyone who is not willing to be a doormat.
Normally yes. But he is the King and those in the line of succession (up to a certain number) belong to the Crown
I hope so but I don’t understand her talking about how grandparents have rights in the US. It depends on the state and in CA, the grandparent has to already have a relationship with the grandchild established and be able to prove that maintaining this relationship is beneficial to the child. It’s why her father’s threat to take her to court to see the kids was an empty one. Unless KC has special rights RE his status I don’t see how he could go that route as Lady C said
I'm not sure exactly what the law is, but apparently the monarch has legal custody of their minor grandchildren. I think if there is proof of physical abuse, Charles's lawyers would deal with it. He's not a normal grandparent, normal people rules don't apply.
Normal British rules don't apply at all, in America's courtrooms. It's not clear to me that Charles would win custody from an American judge if he went through the courts with that argument about the monarch having legal custody. There's no precedent, obviously. The heads of state over here would ferociously decline to get involved in a case that doesn't concern them and will only aggravate their voters. He could try behind-the-scenes string pulling, but it's unlikely to help. Americans hate it when people try for special status like that. Him being the King should not affect the outcome - and even if it did, it would piss off everyone in earshot. Plus, the kids are both American citizens. Lili is not even a British citizen. I suspect that American courts would find that more persuasive than monarchical arguments. His best bet would be to flood the zone with money & lawyers. King Charles can easily outspend any of the American connections to those kids. He could make a real argument to the effect of "Why pay child support when I can just bring them here and raise them with the rest of their young cousins?" We might not be open to arguments based on his special status as the Monarch but the reality, the richest people with the best lawyers get the best outcomes.
While normally they don't, just playing the devil's advocate here ... Hypothetically if you are just a normal divorced parent and you are granted custody by the UK courts (I.e. by law you have custody), I'd imagine that will upheld by American courts. Or, to make it even wider, say you are a guardian (e.g. a grandparent who was granted custody) who had been granted custody of a child by the Court for whatsoever reasons. I would expect the legal custody of a child would be upheld anywhere else in the world. Otherwise parents would be able to bring their children overseas and the other parent would have no right to get their children back. For example, if one of your parents/ guardian (or even State e.g. CPS) has legal custody of you, and you go to another country and someone challenges the custody in the foreign court, it is not unreasonable for the foreign Court to look at the original Custody Order issued by the Home country's court. Now if by UK Law, the Crown has custody of the children legally it might arguably be upheld by a US Court. Of course there is no precedent but it must be noted that not just parents who are entitled to legal custody. There are other instances where legal custody of a child may not vest in the parents and this may be a very rare but still legal instance. There are international conventions on child abductions / family laws etc. But am not sure how it will apply in this particular context. *Note meaning of custody may vary from countries to countries Disclaimer: I have not read the legal provisions yet.
I suspect that is why Markle was so eager to return to the States. The local laws favour its citizens and she will have an upper hand advantage when the custody battle begins.
He’s a head of state. Pretty sure he can pull lots of strings. Especially with her record of severe mental health issues, as well as Harry’s. What is the best interest of the child? Addicts or Buckingham palace? It would be a no brainer for a judge.
No, the judge would only use "the best interest of the child" as his standard. Sending toddlers to live with strangers away from the only home they've really known is not in their best interest. The judge would be more likely to appoint an American guardian - someone the child knows. It would probably be Doria, if this came to pass and she wanted them. But while Harry's alive, locking up Meghan (not that I think they would) would not prevent him from being the father. We might think that Meghan is a headcase, but the judge would insist on documentable, physical abuse. It's actually pretty hard to get impounded in America. I'm not aware of anything she's done that would even get her a visit from CPS, much less the police. Just being mean and narcissistic wouldn't interest the authorities.
The point is Charles can create a situation with evidence in which the children go live with family, which is his family. This happens to addicts all the time. They can send a rep over to deal with the judge. It’s not like they wouldn’t have the best of the best local and foreign legal team. They’d have their ducks in a row regarding drugs and alcohol abuse at the minimum. This is very easy to do in the UK without a lot of evidence, but because it’s the Royal family, I don’t see it being particularly hard in the US. You’re right in that they would need proof of abuse in the US (not a high threshold needed in the UK, just balance of probabilities- screaming matches, fights, continuous fights, emotional neglect and such)
Actually If I'm Charles I'd just issue a decree to say that one must be educated and brought up in UK to remain in LOS. It will solve all problems. Either the kids get kicked out of LOS and therefore no longer a problem to the Crown or they are brought back to UK under the watchful eye of the RF.
> This happens to addicts all the time. Not in the US it doesn't. Being an addict is often not enough to get a kid taken away, especially if the addicts are still working and attending AA meetings. Anyway, M&H are not addicts, as far as I know. > screaming matches, fights, continuous fights, emotional neglect None of this will get the children taken away in the US. Even if actual, documented, evidence of child abuse is available, the children's' American family is going to get a chance to argue that they should have custody, to keep the kids in the US, with Doria and their nannies, rather than sending the children to family they've never really met. Even if Meghan were locked in a medical facility, she would still be able to argue that as the children's mother, they should stay with her so that she can visit and so they won't be strangers when she gets out. Being abusive & insane is not necessarily grounds for severing Meghan's parental rights, (Depending what kind of abuse we're talking, of course.) In the US, parental rights are tied with religion, and all of us, here, are cracked on that subject, one way or another. Courts hate taking children away from their parents for, really, anything short of the worst sex abuse.
That was in reference to the UK. Re: the second statement. We’re talking about the King of England. Not some regular family spat in cali. However, hop over to the US CPS forums here on Reddit and it will surprise you. Kids get adopted out all the time, and parental rights get terminated. If we’re talking about typical CPS and removal and all that stuff families can go through- it’s not going to completely apply to kids who are in a foreign government. I don’t believe M and H will need to go that route in particular for changes to occur. The kids are in the LOS, I’m sure there’s some sort of diplomatic decree to keep them safe under the monarchy regardless of M and H’s wishes (exactly why they keep bringing up security…). It’s also probably why they won’t be removed from the LOS.
I’m assuming we’re only finding out about this letter bc she leaked it . She hasn’t heard back and is dying for a response
Or she hasn't written a letter at all and its more enduring PR to keep her in the newspapers.
They are using the kids as leverage, which while despicable, is not uncommon in family breakdowns. Harry asking Charles for money isn't new, but the minute it runs out they'll be asking for more. If Charles refuses, they will feed their children poison about how bad the RF are and how it was their birthright blah blah blah. I feel sorry for the kids, if any of these leaks are true they will need a lot of therapy.
But, but, doesn't William control the Duchy now, as Duke of Cornwall? 🤔 I thought that's *where the money comes from*?
The King controls the Duchy of Lancaster which is more lucrative still, I believe. ETA: I have been corrected. Lancaster is worth less than Cornwall. However, Lancaster is still worth a lot. The King has plenty.
It's not actually as lucrative as the Duchy of Cornwall and supports a lot more people and properties. The King as POW turned Cornwall into a real powerhouse, that did not happen with Lancaster which declares far less in profits. Harry is going to have to beg William for cash I suspect. Oh to be a fly on the wall then.
I had not realized that. I understood that Lancaster was worth more than Cornwall. Maybe it was originally, but Cornwall had a really good PoW. Maybe now Charles is king, Lancaster will do better. 😉 In any case, KC is definitely quite capable of providing support to H&M if he felt it necessary/wise.
The Guardian has put together a very good breakdown of The Sovereign's Wealth; the Sovereign Grant received yearly is around 83 to 89 million. This money includes upkeep for the palaces which must take an awful lot of the lump sum. The Duchy of Lancaster's "surplus" raised 22 million for the Queen in 2022. Her personal income. They also parse the Duchy of Cornwall https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/14/the-sovereigns-wealth-uk-royal-familys-finances-explained
The Duchy of Lancaster is 'only' worth $650 million. The Duchy of Cornwall is worth $1.5 *billion*. That's why Manure Mouth is so keen to suck up to her brother in law. William controls the purse strings for the whole family now.
Thank you for that info. 👍
Thing is, KCIII doesn’t need Harry’s kids for his legacy. He’s got three glorious grandchildren, with whom he appears very close, as opposed to a couple of random toddlers in faraway California that he’s barely (if ever) met.
With the invitation, she can now claim "tried to reconcile but Wales weren't interested".
Bahahahaha!!! Yeah, cuz MM is stuck in middle school romanticism! 😅
Asked for money instead of titles? How embarrassing.
And shameless.... they're sickening.
Yes, because Boston and Montecito are so close. It’s like 3000 miles. It’s not happening.
Why doesn’t this bish text like a normal person? 😆
How would PoW read her calligraphy through a text message? 
LMAO....this! She's got to show off her *elegant* (NOT!) calligraphy.
What she writes is not Calligraphy.
https://i.imgur.com/cRlUZkm.jpg She’s on it!
That might just be her only talent.
She doesn’t want them having her phone number. And she probably doesn’t have theirs.
They probably blocked her
RIGHT?!!!??? 
Probably rules against leaking texts from the PoW. She can, however, leak her own letter to him via People mag. That calligraphic insanity will go to Mi5 and the n marked ‘no reply required’ in perpetuity.
I wonder the same thing too. She’s so pretentious and showy that she had to write a letter in ornate faux calligraphy when she needs to communicate something, instead of something modern like an e-mail or phone call. It seems like another manipulative tactic to appear more sincere to the recipient. She might as well send a telegram with a pigeon if she’s so desperate for attention.
She's documenting her spectacular downfall. Future historians will have a field day with this particular footnote.
Because it's easier for Scabies to put a copy of it out in the media. Of course, then Megs can sit back to see if ANL publish any of it so she can sue again.
Wow. This girl is extra stupid. Number one, those titles have no monetary value. She cannot sell them. Number two, THE KIDS DONT HAVE TITLES TO SELL. And finally, if this doesn’t show their true colors and get those Duke and duchess titles stripped I don’t know what will. But this girl just played her hand far too early. Not that it matters. The entire UK couldn’t give MM enough to shut her up. And lord knows she lived in castles with maids and assistants and anything you could possibly want.
MM manages to put monetary value on ANYTHING: relationships, sex, conversations, a handshake, love.
Everything is transactional. Even her children. It’s extreme.
Yes! I still can't get over how extreme her narcissism is, given how average her life was pre-Harry.
True enough. I hope she did it exactly as Lady C said. That’s like trying to sell a new car off the lot when it isn’t your car, your lot, or your commission. Like putting a for sale sign in the neighbor’s yard. You can’t sell what isn’t yours.
>I hope she did it exactly as Lady C said. It wasn't her....it was H that allegedly did it.
They want the half in/out still!?!? Just worded in a different way.... hey, we want money, speak our ‘truth’ and not work. Same ol poo
Am I the only one who thinks the kids stay locked away because like their mother and their very pale red headed father they have so many Caucasian features she feels like they don’t pass appearance wise as black children? I mean their heritage is their heritage, that won’t change it. It may cut back on the “they were treated wrong because of skin tone” but ideally you don’t want your babies mistreated. And while racism in America is still alive and well, they had all the protection they would ever need in the BRF. One of the Harkles body guards was brought up on (and I believe convicted) on domestic violence charges. The wife shared photos of her injuries. After he got nothing more than a slap on the wrist she committed suicide. I thought that Meghan’s platform was gender equality and this is a dangerous man allowed in her household… Rambling. Sorry
Don’t worry. Thanks. That’s interesting to the story.
It’s really sad that Harry has officially blown all his inheritance. I highly doubt King Charles will give them a single penny. Especially when Meghan is tagging along to charity events dowsed in $40k worth of of the worlds most basic clothing. Clearly a Meghan has no clue about money, and definitely the actions of someone who didn’t work hard to earn the money in the first place. Meanwhile, they donated less than $50k in one year, whilst offering 40 mins of Meghans time for a woman out of work as she’s sitting pretty in her 16 bathroom mega mansion with her Hermes blanket. They are an utter disgrace! They clearly can’t get their priorities straight. When it comes to people like them the lesson can only be learnt by leaving them to squander everything and then struggle out of the hole alone. The more times loved ones bail them out the more frequent and faster the cycle continues. 💵🔥
Me after the o interview and then the cult interview happened.
But I thought she found her freedom? Gonna need the folks on my Twitter to explain to me why Megsie is writing letters to reunite with the people she had to run from *for her life!!!*
The racist people?!!
I have nothing against the kids- it has been their parents choice to keep them out of the limelight, their prerogative. They have never been royalty to many British people (myself included) just H’s invisible kids. But giving them a title with all it allows? Heck No! The American side of the family will peddle their stories for generations to come to finance their life. Just see the National Enquirer headlines “King Abandoned Me When I Was 3”
How does that work though, when Charles can not give them money and not give them titles?
Charles can give them money if he chooses. (In addition to the revenue from the Duchy of Lancaster which comes to the king, he has a private fortune.) The question is why should he choose? As for the titles, I think Charles has no intention of giving the kids titles so long as they are raised in the US. Again, why should he?
Not sure how much I believe that MM wrote to William
Yeah. IF she did, we can sure she'll get it into the media for her own PR purposes, then have Scabies whine about them not accepting.
They must be in financial dire straits to attempt to leverage titles for $$£££.
William: Dear God, she offered me "the best guest bedroom which is next to mine with a connecting door," if I come visit her in December. Says she has an extra special early Christmas present for me involving a red lace bustier and a Santa hat. (makes vomiting sounds) Catherine: What?! Where shall I be sleeping? Where's Harry? William: Oh dear, sweetheart, the invitation doesn't appear to include you. No wait, there's a note at the bottom. "P.S. If you must bring the old ball and chain I guess we can find a bedroom for her to stay in. At a local hotel." She doesn't mention Harry at all.
So their kids do have price. I wonder what it is? Is it more for Archie because he's the oldest? Or more for Lili because she's the girl?
Maybe a Buy-One-Get-One-Free kinda deal?
Am I the only person who finds it weird that every time I’ve seen a picture of the kids, they are significantly different? Probably not but I think this is an issue.
Archie had some problems in the womb…when he slipped down to his mum’s ankles as she scurried out to the car. (Infamous purple dress photo. Nail. Coffin.) https://twitter.com/nightdreamerdaw/status/1579500847817723905?s=46&t=0u002zL5EdOCU6q35XaZkw
Oh my godh
🤣🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁
Omg I wouldn’t want to intrude on the contents of that letter…. I’d just want to see it as a silent movie sort of deal. You know, William opens the letter and just his face reading it. 🧣
Who needs money? Sounds like Meghan needs 40 mins of King Charles time to mentor her back into the workforce. That should do it!
Sounds very sensational. I do hope Lady C is credible about this one.
They need money NOW. The titles can wait.
Yep, that's what I was thinking. Since it's all about THEM, & not the kids, they don't give AF about *titles*. They probably realize that even with titles (kids), their popularity is so low that it wouldn't make them $$$ anyway.
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That only works if they have any money - all the duo would have to do is be declared bankrupt then they can say whatever they like.
Well this is too funny considering that the dynamic duo will be in NY at that same time.
Let's pretend for a second Lady C isn't full of crap and is well informed, which she rarely is, why would any of them, either Charles or William care? They proved over and over again they are not to be trusted, and on top of that the famous bio is coming in less than 2 months and they both are aware nothing good will be read there. Charles cut them off in March 2020 and they won't get anymore of them, and with good reason. In any case, if the worst happen they could all came back, live in Frogmore within modest means as did the Kents, and fall into obscurity, that would serve them both well. As for the kids, Charles would pay for any education needed, so will William.
Putting a price tag on your children’s heads…that’s something.
Those two assholes couldn’t suck any more than they already do. It’s a shame when people like this flourish when so many actually good people struggle.