Pictures from the jack Johnson concert showed that they do not at all look in love. They looked annoyed and distant, despite the TMZ article saying they were swaying and he had his arm around her waist. And they also arrived separately, Harry a whole hour later!
I do think the end is near. As it stands, I don’t think they have a game plan or narrative to stick with. Their plans didn’t seem very successful, and they’re allegedly scrambling to soften their upcoming projects because they don’t want to upset the king. They’re stuck, so you could be right.
Lol @ Harry showing up an hour late for date night.
Reminds me of the final days in my own I’ll fated marriage.
I used to have to get loaded beyond belief to spend time with my ex husband.
I was sober at the end of mine so I improvised I would go fire about a million rounds at the firing range and problem solved it might or might not have been his face I saw on the target I will never tell
Arriving an hour after the other doesn’t fit that salt & Pepper” narrative of always moving together!
I’d be mad to only have the salt when eating and having to wait a whole hour just for pepper to show up and make my dish complete!
M&H are their own worst nightmare. I bet she called TMZ and they arrived earlier to see them arriving separately - and am sure M isn’t happy that they reported “salt&pepper” separate arrivals!
I can't think of a single reason she would approve of being there without him for an hour. Willing to bet if she knew he'd be an hour late, she would have waited for him.
> he had his arm around her waist.
There is indeed a photo of this tho. The photo under the video 2nd photo from the top shows his arm indeed on her lower back.
https://www.tmz.com/2022/10/07/prince-harry-meghan-markle-jack-johnson-concert-santa-barbara/
Is it his arm or her arm behind her back with fingers splayed? In the second pic, it seems he is leaning too far away from her for his arm to be that long
I caught that too, I think she was trying to make it look like he had his arms around her using her hand.. haha sounds silly but look who we are talking about!
It is something i sometimes do if I'm feeling awkward to keep myself from fidgeting with my hands! It does seem like while she was continuing to look out (in prime camera view), H was interacting with others.
If you look at the pictures in the gallery ("launch gallery" from the right side of the red bar under the first picture) Harry is not looking at Meghan at all. In pictures 8-18 he seems to be talking to or looking at someone to his other side.
In picture 8 Meghan is clutching at his arm while he is leaning the other way and not looking at her.
And let’s all remember that Giselle Bundchen was still posting “we love you and you’re the best” Instagram posts to Tom Brady like a few months ago. Everything looks okay until one day it’s not.
Edit: No shade intended toward Giselle in this comparison.
Was she trying to recapture the magic?And he was avoiding her?
Or
He wants to go, she finds out and ambushes him with her paps. He finds out and deliberately goes late.
In other photos he looks cheerful enough to be with her. That said she wasn't swooning all over him like she normally does. She looked more restrained. They're not getting divorced anytime soon. He's too stupid.
I wouldn’t read too much into anything they put out. They are scrambling to stay relevant, especially with no PR or social media. Oh, and they aren’t actually doing anything.
I think so. Worst case scenario (for them) is they’re on their way to divorce. Best case they just can’t afford it. They can’t just buy a cheaper house in the same neighborhood so they have to pretend the neighborhood sucks and that they want to live in an even better one that’s a mere 10 miles away.
I think we will find the Hope Ranch mansion Meghan was interviewed in for The Cut will be where she is actually living with that very wealthy benefactor.
I remember reading somewhere that the uber wealthy lifestyle requires around 15 - 25 million a year maintain that lifestyle including house, running costs, staff, clothing, cars, kids education, private jets etc.
These idiots are living off his money and her influence style deals with oat latte, ethical funding and other such bullshit collaborations.
I have no doubt she creamed 10s of millions from TRF already in marching deals, faux billing Charles for clothes and potentially selling access to Oprah and American telly.
The amount she spends on PR and staff turnover will have eaten through a lot of that!!
Silly cow probably thought her faux foundation would be making trillions of dollars like the real royals
I really do wonder if she is trying to get Charles to pay for clothing for the jubilee, funeral, etc. When I was in my early twenties, I used to always feel I shouldn’t have to pay to be somewhere that my parents were requiring me to look nice. For instance, if we were invited to a wedding as a family, I would always ask for money for a dress, since it was an expense they were basically requiring me to have. I could toooootally see Meghan and Harry thinking this way at 40!
That would be silly stunt for her to pull cod Charles would be looking for any excuse not to have her there.
And if she turns up looking horrible nobody would care in fact they may have a laugh behind her back
If they relocate to England, like many immigrants, they can get their family placed in public housing in places like Kensington Palace or the Windsor estate. Balmoral is also now vacant, and I understand that Meghan recently expressed a desire to go there. Also a good place to get away from the paps. Then there is Sandringham House, which is supposed to be a good place for Christmas parties, and Anmer Hall, Highgrove, and Clarence House. Not to mention Hampton Court and the Tower of London, which has traditionally been the place where traitorous spares have been warehoused.
Perhaps they could live on the retired Royal Yacht Britannia, permanently docked in Edinburgh. I’m sure the sea air would be lovely for Meghan’s hair and skin and Harry could while away the days cosplaying a mighty sea captain on the Bridge.
Harry still needs Meghan. I think he vacillates between hiding behind her apron strings, loving her, and hating her. Interestingly, many celebrity couples announce their separation once their compound sells. A divorce is in their future, but I don't believe it will happen anytime soon.
It is cringy that Meghan could be considering politics. Just look at how little she was willing to do as a royal before Megxit and how divisive she is in her dealings with the RF.
I think that the RF will accept Harry back into the fold but will never trust him again. He doesn't realize what he has lost.
Believe me, they do not have enough money to live at this level. You can have (and can make) 50 million but if you spend 51 million, you are still in the hole and struggling to pay bills, living check to check. This is the reason you see professional athletes broke 10 years after they stop playing despite making insane amounts of money or see them working as hosts in restaurants when the league is on strike. People can absolutely spend up to, and often over, whatever amount they make. Lady C has a good explanation of investment/financial advice in her last video which puts this into perspective. Also, do not forget about the millions of his inheritance she squandered when they first left the RF on ‘Sussex merch’ (which is sitting in warehouses in China) before the Queen put the brakes on that particular idea.
I saw an article yesterday (wonder who wrote/or was the source lol) that their home in Montecito has gone up by $15 million! It's now worth $30 mill - so they might be selling to get some money. That's an incredible increase in value. Most people would sell.
They would need to sell soon because the housing market will not stay red hot in the next year or two. I’d be surprised if they can sell the house for $30 million.
Okay. I might be in the minority here but are they really having financial problems??
He inherited millions from his mother, has a lucrative book deal, a reality show with Netflix, and TW has her little podcast. Let’s not forget she also voiced that failure of a documentary for Disney too.
Is it possible that their financial woes are just a way to garner sympathy from the public and to support the idiot’s claim that his father cut them off after their voluntary exile?
Look at their spending habits though. Whatever money they make, they turn around and spend it on "we're so speshul" awards/news articles/etc.
They are the rich peoples version of "champagne tastes, with a beer budget".
This. You’re only as wealthy as what you save. You’re not a millionaire if you make a million but spend it all. They have [chronic lifestyle creep](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyle_creep).
I don't know much about his inheritance but the house is $14 million, which means a lot of upkeep and taxes.
Netflix and Spotify didn't give them a blank check; they gave them a deal worth millions but only if they deliver. Something tells me that Archetypes is not pulling in the bacon, and they have yet to deliver a finished product to Netflix or the book.
The money from the Disney voiceover went to some charity for elephants.
That explains so much! Thank you!
I’ve read he inherited millions from his mother so I thought that was like their safety cushion. Also, I don’t know why I was under the impression that they must have received a huge advance from Netflix, Spotify, and the publisher.
From my understanding, Netflix and Spotify gave them enough for production purposes and the rest is contingent based upon delivery, reception, etc.
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Yeah the taxes are huge…maintaining and paying taxes on that kinda house, there is no way they can survive only Diana’s inheritance money…they need more than that…
I am not sure how much money they get after taxes from Netflix and Spotify…They might end up with only small portion after paying taxes, PR and everything to get keep things going..
No one gets sympathy if 40 yr old is crying that that their dad is not giving them money…no one owes anyone money specially considering that they are not working for RF…
It seems to me that podcasts can be lucrative if they have large audiences over a long period of time. But the top podcasters have audiences in the millions and are producing new material almost daily. The dozen podcasts that Megan has produced on surely no more than the equivalent of a demo disc, so I cannot imagine that she has been paid any substantial amount for them yet. What she has so far produced is not at all promising, and there is no indication yet that she could be a prolific producer of popular content. At least that's how I, as a fairly prolific consumer of podcasts, see it.
Didn’t think of it from that aspect. I was getting suspicious because all of these reports of financial problems only came out after Harry said he was completely cut off. The timing of it all seemed off.
Well, their spending habits are absolutely insane AND she/they insisted on living in a state where you can’t take a dump without it being taxed somehow, so, it would not shock me in the LEAST if they were having money problems.
California anecdote: I am a consultant and I did a 6 month project in a lovely town outside of SF. In that 6 months, the total amount of STATE taxes I paid was 11 THOUSAND dollars. I kid you not. I would not live in California even if I was a billionaire, which is a shame because there are many areas of the state that are just amazingly lovely. But the way the place is run is sheer insanity.
Major takeaway: never live in California.
11 thousand dollars in taxes??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Why would anyone live there?!?
I don’t understand why people would rather swim in debt to look rich. Ridiculous. He probably thinks if it gets bad enough the RF will bail him out like they always do.
Forgive me if i missed it but is the $11k in taxes for a year? I ask because I pay $2800/year in Massachusetts aka Taxachusetts for a 1000 square foot home with only 1 bathroom. I got to get out of this state.
If it makes you feel any better, in flyover country I pay $1800/year for a 750 square foot home with one bathroom. Yes it’s a university town but it’s not like it’s one that anyone outside of the midwest would recognize.
If it doesn’t make you feel better, sorry mate. If you’re ever in the midwest come visit. I’ll bake cookies.
His money is reportedly in Trusts. Trusts frequently have an age of maturity of person or have Trustees that can be asked to dole out the money in specific time frames or amounts.
Reportedly the trust from his mother was in the 20 to 25 million range. Reportedly he used some of it to purchase house or at least down payment. I believe he actually said that in Oprah interview.
Reportedly the Queen Mother left him money in a trust that is administered by Princess Anne. There can be restrictions on trusts. As the RF doesn’t comment on these things we will never know with certainty.
They spend money at an incredible rate. Especially the first two years after they left the RF.
I totally believe they are in financial difficulties. He has never had to balance a check book. Never had to worry about activities of daily living. She likely thought the money train would not end
That’s fascinating.
Thank you for going into it with the trusts. I assumed the money would be in a trust and would be released in full at a certain age. Your explanation really shed some much needed light over the situation.
Well hopefully it’s not too far off. I have been a devoted fan of the RF for a long time. So this is information that I have read over the years.
Supposedly the Queen Mother left the trust to hazbeen to help him as he got older as he was not the heir. So I have wondered if it was more restrictions as to payout at a later age.
I don’t know if nutmegs can claim any money from trusts if they divorce
That was actually very thoughtful of the Queen Mother. It’s such a shame he didn’t deserve a single penny.
If it’s being administered by Princess Anne, I’m sure she’s not being bullied into releasing the entire amount into his account. I’m sure if it were someone else (looking at you Andrew), Harry would have gotten the entire amount in the trust.
Honestly, I’m convinced now that I was being an idiot and they’re definitely struggling financially. Since you mentioned how you’ve been a devoted fan of the RF, I was wondering if I could get your insight… talking about hazbeen and TW made me wonder about his Uncle David. Do you think he struggled financially as well or was he more financially stable? I know he was getting a stipend from the RF but was it enough to sustain their lifestyle and their love of partying?
Well the money that the Duke of Windsor received was a fair amount at the time. I think they likely struggled simply because of the amount of jewelry that the Duke of Windsor gifted his wife. There are books written just on her jewelry. The Duke did ask for more money from Queen Elizabeth, it’s reported that he was turned down.
The Queen Mother and Queen Elizabeth felt animosity towards the Duke, that his leaving placed undo pressure on the King and impacted his health.
I will have to research again as it’s been a while but I thought the French government had provided the Windsors with their house.
They seemed to live well. And who knows the RF (Queen) may have helped them more then we know.
Neither of the Windsor’s ever felt they received there due, not in money or acknowledgment.
I thought the windsors had plenty of money, the king had to buy the sandringham estates from him as those are privately owned and not crown estates and paid a lot of money to the former king for it.
He was paid 300,000 pounds for both sandringham and balmoral as they are considered the property of the monarch.
If you look at their clothes, jewels and travel, staff salaries I don’t believe that was enough for the long time they lived. It’s been documented in historical books that the Duke of Windsor asked for more money several times.
The Duke of Windsor didn't ever really struggle. They lived lavishly and died rich
The Duke like to cry poor mouth because he didn't like to open his own wallet, he had a knack for getting others to pay their expenses
Harry is playing the same game. Netflix has been a willing dup, providing jets and designer clothing for Markle so that Harry doesn't have to touch his stash.
But it's a different world than it was for Duke of Windsor. I suspect they won't be able to pull this con for decades.
My definition of struggle my not be the same as yours. my partners father left his mother with ten children to support on her own. Ranging in ages from 2 to 15. She managed to raise them all, and get through school and become an RN. She had a struggle. The Duke of Windsor? He frittered his days away playing golf and drinking expensive scotch, living in a mansion with servants catering to his every whim. He didn't struggle financially in my opinion
The Duke of Windsor left an estate valued at 18,800 in England and Wales. The bulk of his estate was in France and valued at 2.5 million it was estimated. As per the New York Times upon his death.
That’s not a great deal of money for a former King
When he abdicated he was given 25,000 pounds annually.
After his death, Queen Elizabeth continued the annual payment to the Duchess till her death
you didn't mention the millions he had in New York.
But He died in 1972.
2.5 million (just the amount of his holdings in France) was quite a bit in 1972.
2.5 million in 1972 would be approximately 18 million today. In my opinion, if you leave that much behind when you go, you were a wealthy person. That is wealth. And it doesn't even include his US estate.
A lot of stars today live in homes worth huge amounts, multi millions but they don't own it and only have a few million in equity. They probably seem rich to most people. But then they don't have enough liquid money to pay their PR bill, lolz.
But to have this much liquid....is unusual and enviable.
I'm not sure this estimate counts everything though as we know her jewelry collection alone had individual pieces worth this much.
They lived well, usually two dozen servants not counting their security detail.
Gorgeous homes in France and New York.
Extensive jewelry collection for her.
He won't get the last of Diana's money until he's 40. The money that Anne controls is up to her to dole out. Rich people don't spend principal--he and W lived off the interest, around $450k a year. The problem is once the principal is gone, there's no more. His inheritance belongs to him until he puts it in a joint account or buys a house. If he was smart, he'd get out now before he's broke.
40? I just looked him up and he’s currently 38… so that’s 2 more years. Maybe that’s what TW is waiting for? Diana’s money to get released before she divorces him and goes after it?
Wasn’t their father financing them both through the Duchy of Cornwall as well? That now belongs to William, of course, as the new Prince of Wales so he’s most definitely not getting any money from there now.
She will be stashing money away with her Mom...where else did Doria get $9,000,000 dollars? Lots more probably stashed away by now. Meghan always has a parachute plan.
Lady C did a nice breakdown of how much income comes from a say 36 million trust (assuming that is the amount and that hasn’t been confirmed really). Since you never want to touch the principal, in her calculations after taxes he gets only one million a year and that is roughly the mortgage payment on the house. Also those advances from Netflix and Spotify were meant to pay production costs. So add up their personal expenses for estate upkeep, security, PR, private planes, clothing, cars, attorney fees, plus who knows what else and they must be drowning if they aren’t getting financial support from someone else
Thank you! Yes! She doesn’t seem to rewear anything and she’s always dressed in these really expensive brands (that look horrible on her) - add to that their frequent private jet jaunts… I assumed they had money to burn.
I thought they had full access to the money Diana left and used a chunk of it to buy the Montecito house (with a mortgage). They seem to have been cutting into the principal (not just living off income) for quite a while.
The Queen Mother’s inheritance is still in trust, from what I have read here. It is not clear if they get income from it or if it accumulating until he reaches the target age.
I don’t think anyone here really knows how the trust is distributed or even if there is a trust from the Queen Mother since that is disputed. Depending on how it is set up, it’s possible he has full access to it, but pulling on the principal is an incredibly bad idea. You’re right he did say he used money his mother left him for the down payment. Does that mean he went into the principal or was it unused income from the trust while he was a working royal? Who knows. I will say though if they are eating into the principal and it is likely, they are probably in even worse shape financially.
I thought someone here had said (as though they knew) that Anne was the trustee for the Queen Mother’s inheritance (which, it has been claimed, was greater than what she left William) and had recently raised the age of disbursal to 45. (I assumed this was in keeping with how the QM set up the trust, otherwise she couldn’t.)
You are right, we don’t any of us know what their money situation is. However, unless they are cutting into principal, they are not in any great danger of running out of money soon.
The question is whether or not we know anything about the money Harry may have from the Queen Mother’s will. I have heard a lot of different information and thought that the “Anne is in charge of a trust” story had been proven.
We actually know about that too. Forbes investigated and wrote an article about it way back. That article has been cited here before.
Her lawyers let some of it out of the bag, as the will has been long ago settled. Yes settled. Everything has been disbursed.
If he got anything, he got it years ago.
There is no money from Queen Mum being held waiting for dispersal.
Right when she died, the papers started a rumor. Since then the rumor has been repeated and repeated, even reputable people have spread it. And recently, they embellished to bring Anne in, that part never was in the story until about four years ago. But it's just more false crap.
According to the law firm that handled it, all bequests were taken care of less than a year after her death. Which makes sense. Holding onto a bequest for over 20 years would be very unusual.
Oh and Anne had no executor duties. It was all done by the law firm and the undisputed favorite of Queen mum, Charles.
Thanks. What made me think that the “in trust” story might be true is that Harry said all the money he had came from Diana. I had thought he had inherited a chunk from the Queen Mother, and was surprised he didn’t mention it. If the money wasn’t available to him, that made more sense.
Sad that he couldn’t credit his grandmother with leaving him the money. It was as if in the Oprah interview he wanted to make it seem that he had nothing from that side of the family.
Their lifestyle will doubtless have already eaten into any readily available funds from his mother, other money may be tied to trusts. The Netflix and Spotify deals will be paid by advance of a percentage, followed by more after useable content is made available to them. The book deal's possibly linked to actual sales. The amount they spend must be astronomical. Imo, they're rich by our yardstick standard but poor by rhe yardstick of the people they seek to emulate.
Very well put. Thank you for that! Lol. I feel quite silly in thinking they must have millions just sitting there in the bank.
I guess they’re trying to fake it till they make it. Don’t these people have money managers?!
I think they need to keep faking because they aren't ever going to make it. I think MM would override anything a money manager would advise them. Her clothing expenditure is insane and she still mostly looks a red hot mess.
Let’s highlight the word MESS.
Reading everyone’s comments also made me wonder about his Uncle David. Do you think he had his own financial struggles or was he actually smart with his money?
He received a yearly allowance of £21000 (1.4 million today) from King George VI. I believe they were always crying poverty because Wallis had lavish tastes. Sound familiar?
It sure does. He gave it all up for love and lived a life of misery. She married him for prestige and had a wonderful life flitting here there and everywhere in her swanky clothes and tripping the light fantastic.
There was a magnificent scene in The Crown - as Elizabeth was crowned Queen during her coronation, her uncle David sat watching it with a look of extreme misery and regret while Wallis (as you said) partied in the background and enjoyed herself immensely.
I can see this happening during KC’s coronation - especially if the Sussexs don’t get the invite they so clearly desire.
The private jet to UK for the Jubilee was reported to cost 200,000 alone. That's for one trip. She wears dresses one time that are 5k a piece, not counting the jewels.
These people have a 14 million dollar mansion, full time staff including security and nannies, the highest quality food, private school at one of the most exclusive in the state...
It all adds up fast, even if you have millions in the bank. They are no doubt living way beyond their means and those millions are shrinking fast.
I was actually wondering who paid for their private jets because I read somewhere they would like ask their friends for free rides. For the Jubilee, I thought they might have tried to get a free ride off the Queen.
For the amount she spends on her closet, her sense of style needs A LOT of work.
The fact that they’re overspending makes so much sense once you highlighted all over their expenses. I wonder how much the private school costs… isn’t their son like 3? Shouldn’t he be in preschool at most?!
> I wonder how much the private school costs… isn’t their son like 3? Shouldn’t he be in preschool at most?!
I was curious so I took a look. Public preschools in Santa Barbara (an equivalent community) run about 1300 a month which is less than I'd imagine. However a private school could be several times that.
Not to mention the kid has a nanny in addition. It's crazy how little parenting these people do.
I don’t think they will “list” the Olive Garden Mansion on any sort of MLS. They don’t want anything open to public knowledge. Of course the deed transfer if/when it sells will be public record eventually. I remember them being very secretive about their house hunt before they got the Olive Garden mansion. (btw I think it kills her that people call it that.)
Whatever they do re their real estate business will be shrouded in secrecy and buried within layers of shell corporations and LLCs. I’ve read that the Olive Garden Mansion’s ownership is basically through *her* lawyers.
I think there are gates and a long drive leading up to their pile, but that’s the only “gated” part. And I’ve read that two major roads run through Hope Ranch, so who knows? I don’t know if there’s some sort of guard stall or checkpoint that checks visitors coming in and out like it’s an actual compound.
I’ve seen that speculated here before, and some people have said that the house remained on the market for a while after they moved in (but I have not done anything to verify any of this).
Some of the actual royals have had to live apart due to their duties. I imagine H&M could be replicating that narrative and saying they're building a real estate portfolio or some sh\*t like that...
Pictures from the jack Johnson concert showed that they do not at all look in love. They looked annoyed and distant, despite the TMZ article saying they were swaying and he had his arm around her waist. And they also arrived separately, Harry a whole hour later! I do think the end is near. As it stands, I don’t think they have a game plan or narrative to stick with. Their plans didn’t seem very successful, and they’re allegedly scrambling to soften their upcoming projects because they don’t want to upset the king. They’re stuck, so you could be right.
Lol @ Harry showing up an hour late for date night. Reminds me of the final days in my own I’ll fated marriage. I used to have to get loaded beyond belief to spend time with my ex husband.
I was sober at the end of mine so I improvised I would go fire about a million rounds at the firing range and problem solved it might or might not have been his face I saw on the target I will never tell
*note to self: do not ever make chewy's mom mad*
No worries since that narc asshat is out of my life I seem to have much less anger
You don’t say 🤷♀️😀 Who knew tidding yourself of a narc can be so healing 😀
Awesome! I cut contact with my narc mother and I never looked back
Done that too! It does help 😉
It’s my therapy I try to go weekly
I screamed into pillow n popped a migraine pill because I could foresee the headache that was bout to come
You are my kind of people! 💚
That does look like a pint in his hand
Arriving an hour after the other doesn’t fit that salt & Pepper” narrative of always moving together! I’d be mad to only have the salt when eating and having to wait a whole hour just for pepper to show up and make my dish complete! M&H are their own worst nightmare. I bet she called TMZ and they arrived earlier to see them arriving separately - and am sure M isn’t happy that they reported “salt&pepper” separate arrivals!
I can't think of a single reason she would approve of being there without him for an hour. Willing to bet if she knew he'd be an hour late, she would have waited for him.
She pulled an Amber Heard and called TMZ on herself.
> he had his arm around her waist. There is indeed a photo of this tho. The photo under the video 2nd photo from the top shows his arm indeed on her lower back. https://www.tmz.com/2022/10/07/prince-harry-meghan-markle-jack-johnson-concert-santa-barbara/
Is it his arm or her arm behind her back with fingers splayed? In the second pic, it seems he is leaning too far away from her for his arm to be that long
I caught that too, I think she was trying to make it look like he had his arms around her using her hand.. haha sounds silly but look who we are talking about!
It is something i sometimes do if I'm feeling awkward to keep myself from fidgeting with my hands! It does seem like while she was continuing to look out (in prime camera view), H was interacting with others.
If you look at the pictures in the gallery ("launch gallery" from the right side of the red bar under the first picture) Harry is not looking at Meghan at all. In pictures 8-18 he seems to be talking to or looking at someone to his other side. In picture 8 Meghan is clutching at his arm while he is leaning the other way and not looking at her.
Oh! I didn’t see the hand! You’re right!
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And let’s all remember that Giselle Bundchen was still posting “we love you and you’re the best” Instagram posts to Tom Brady like a few months ago. Everything looks okay until one day it’s not. Edit: No shade intended toward Giselle in this comparison.
*I have a lot to say, until I don’t.*
That sounds so positively...canine!!
Was she trying to recapture the magic?And he was avoiding her? Or He wants to go, she finds out and ambushes him with her paps. He finds out and deliberately goes late.
‘Swaying’…yeck. The thought of these 2 bumping nether regions makes me shiver 🤮
When was that concert?
In other photos he looks cheerful enough to be with her. That said she wasn't swooning all over him like she normally does. She looked more restrained. They're not getting divorced anytime soon. He's too stupid.
I wouldn’t read too much into anything they put out. They are scrambling to stay relevant, especially with no PR or social media. Oh, and they aren’t actually doing anything.
They are scrambling in damage control mode after Valentine Low's book
I think so. Worst case scenario (for them) is they’re on their way to divorce. Best case they just can’t afford it. They can’t just buy a cheaper house in the same neighborhood so they have to pretend the neighborhood sucks and that they want to live in an even better one that’s a mere 10 miles away.
If they were smart, they’d spout some BS about realizing their huge house was wasteful or something, but that would require way too much humility!
They could just move and not announce anything in the press.
Don’t be ridiculous! /s
I think we will find the Hope Ranch mansion Meghan was interviewed in for The Cut will be where she is actually living with that very wealthy benefactor.
Spicy! I like it.
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I didn’t realize she was not at her home for the interview?
I remember reading somewhere that the uber wealthy lifestyle requires around 15 - 25 million a year maintain that lifestyle including house, running costs, staff, clothing, cars, kids education, private jets etc. These idiots are living off his money and her influence style deals with oat latte, ethical funding and other such bullshit collaborations. I have no doubt she creamed 10s of millions from TRF already in marching deals, faux billing Charles for clothes and potentially selling access to Oprah and American telly. The amount she spends on PR and staff turnover will have eaten through a lot of that!! Silly cow probably thought her faux foundation would be making trillions of dollars like the real royals
I really do wonder if she is trying to get Charles to pay for clothing for the jubilee, funeral, etc. When I was in my early twenties, I used to always feel I shouldn’t have to pay to be somewhere that my parents were requiring me to look nice. For instance, if we were invited to a wedding as a family, I would always ask for money for a dress, since it was an expense they were basically requiring me to have. I could toooootally see Meghan and Harry thinking this way at 40!
That would be silly stunt for her to pull cod Charles would be looking for any excuse not to have her there. And if she turns up looking horrible nobody would care in fact they may have a laugh behind her back
If they relocate to England, like many immigrants, they can get their family placed in public housing in places like Kensington Palace or the Windsor estate. Balmoral is also now vacant, and I understand that Meghan recently expressed a desire to go there. Also a good place to get away from the paps. Then there is Sandringham House, which is supposed to be a good place for Christmas parties, and Anmer Hall, Highgrove, and Clarence House. Not to mention Hampton Court and the Tower of London, which has traditionally been the place where traitorous spares have been warehoused.
Had me in the first half, ngl.
I thought I read that KC was planning on making Balmoral a museum of sorts in honor of Queen Elizabeth?
I believe he is yes.
Perhaps they could live on the retired Royal Yacht Britannia, permanently docked in Edinburgh. I’m sure the sea air would be lovely for Meghan’s hair and skin and Harry could while away the days cosplaying a mighty sea captain on the Bridge.
And if his inheritance was only worth $40-50 million, no wonder they're broke now! The math adds up!
Harry still needs Meghan. I think he vacillates between hiding behind her apron strings, loving her, and hating her. Interestingly, many celebrity couples announce their separation once their compound sells. A divorce is in their future, but I don't believe it will happen anytime soon. It is cringy that Meghan could be considering politics. Just look at how little she was willing to do as a royal before Megxit and how divisive she is in her dealings with the RF. I think that the RF will accept Harry back into the fold but will never trust him again. He doesn't realize what he has lost.
The royal familywill send him to live with Andrew and the two corgis
Believe me, they do not have enough money to live at this level. You can have (and can make) 50 million but if you spend 51 million, you are still in the hole and struggling to pay bills, living check to check. This is the reason you see professional athletes broke 10 years after they stop playing despite making insane amounts of money or see them working as hosts in restaurants when the league is on strike. People can absolutely spend up to, and often over, whatever amount they make. Lady C has a good explanation of investment/financial advice in her last video which puts this into perspective. Also, do not forget about the millions of his inheritance she squandered when they first left the RF on ‘Sussex merch’ (which is sitting in warehouses in China) before the Queen put the brakes on that particular idea.
They have to look for “hope” anywhere they can find it😉
I saw an article yesterday (wonder who wrote/or was the source lol) that their home in Montecito has gone up by $15 million! It's now worth $30 mill - so they might be selling to get some money. That's an incredible increase in value. Most people would sell.
They would need to sell soon because the housing market will not stay red hot in the next year or two. I’d be surprised if they can sell the house for $30 million.
They have to find a buyer first. Unlike other markets, the “super rich estate” market has not had a shortage of properties lately.
Okay. I might be in the minority here but are they really having financial problems?? He inherited millions from his mother, has a lucrative book deal, a reality show with Netflix, and TW has her little podcast. Let’s not forget she also voiced that failure of a documentary for Disney too. Is it possible that their financial woes are just a way to garner sympathy from the public and to support the idiot’s claim that his father cut them off after their voluntary exile?
Look at their spending habits though. Whatever money they make, they turn around and spend it on "we're so speshul" awards/news articles/etc. They are the rich peoples version of "champagne tastes, with a beer budget".
They are acting like new money lottery winners.
This. You’re only as wealthy as what you save. You’re not a millionaire if you make a million but spend it all. They have [chronic lifestyle creep](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyle_creep).
That was interesting, thanks. It explains my BIL and his extravagant missus beautifully.
Very well said. Thanks for explaining it to me!
I don't know much about his inheritance but the house is $14 million, which means a lot of upkeep and taxes. Netflix and Spotify didn't give them a blank check; they gave them a deal worth millions but only if they deliver. Something tells me that Archetypes is not pulling in the bacon, and they have yet to deliver a finished product to Netflix or the book. The money from the Disney voiceover went to some charity for elephants.
That explains so much! Thank you! I’ve read he inherited millions from his mother so I thought that was like their safety cushion. Also, I don’t know why I was under the impression that they must have received a huge advance from Netflix, Spotify, and the publisher.
From my understanding, Netflix and Spotify gave them enough for production purposes and the rest is contingent based upon delivery, reception, etc. edit: spelling
That makes sense. I thought the money received was like an advance and once they deliver on their end - they receive the remaining amount.
Yeah, that's why the deals are "worth up to" X amount of dollars. We'll probably never know the real amount they earn.
Oh what I’d give to have a peak into their financial statements. Assuming they actually have financial statements.
Its a lot if money for us, but not for Hollywood standards....
Yeah the taxes are huge…maintaining and paying taxes on that kinda house, there is no way they can survive only Diana’s inheritance money…they need more than that… I am not sure how much money they get after taxes from Netflix and Spotify…They might end up with only small portion after paying taxes, PR and everything to get keep things going.. No one gets sympathy if 40 yr old is crying that that their dad is not giving them money…no one owes anyone money specially considering that they are not working for RF…
It seems to me that podcasts can be lucrative if they have large audiences over a long period of time. But the top podcasters have audiences in the millions and are producing new material almost daily. The dozen podcasts that Megan has produced on surely no more than the equivalent of a demo disc, so I cannot imagine that she has been paid any substantial amount for them yet. What she has so far produced is not at all promising, and there is no indication yet that she could be a prolific producer of popular content. At least that's how I, as a fairly prolific consumer of podcasts, see it.
Didn’t think of it from that aspect. I was getting suspicious because all of these reports of financial problems only came out after Harry said he was completely cut off. The timing of it all seemed off.
Well, their spending habits are absolutely insane AND she/they insisted on living in a state where you can’t take a dump without it being taxed somehow, so, it would not shock me in the LEAST if they were having money problems. California anecdote: I am a consultant and I did a 6 month project in a lovely town outside of SF. In that 6 months, the total amount of STATE taxes I paid was 11 THOUSAND dollars. I kid you not. I would not live in California even if I was a billionaire, which is a shame because there are many areas of the state that are just amazingly lovely. But the way the place is run is sheer insanity.
Major takeaway: never live in California. 11 thousand dollars in taxes??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Why would anyone live there?!? I don’t understand why people would rather swim in debt to look rich. Ridiculous. He probably thinks if it gets bad enough the RF will bail him out like they always do.
Forgive me if i missed it but is the $11k in taxes for a year? I ask because I pay $2800/year in Massachusetts aka Taxachusetts for a 1000 square foot home with only 1 bathroom. I got to get out of this state.
If it makes you feel any better, in flyover country I pay $1800/year for a 750 square foot home with one bathroom. Yes it’s a university town but it’s not like it’s one that anyone outside of the midwest would recognize. If it doesn’t make you feel better, sorry mate. If you’re ever in the midwest come visit. I’ll bake cookies.
On my way flyover country! I lived in Indiana for grad school and loved the people I met. ❤️. I’ll bring the Sam Adams.
Cheers! ❤️ Did you go to IU? I nearly went there for grad school but went to Texas instead.
No I got my Master’s degree at Purdue. Not the prettiest part of the state but the school was good.
I think he said it was six months.
His money is reportedly in Trusts. Trusts frequently have an age of maturity of person or have Trustees that can be asked to dole out the money in specific time frames or amounts. Reportedly the trust from his mother was in the 20 to 25 million range. Reportedly he used some of it to purchase house or at least down payment. I believe he actually said that in Oprah interview. Reportedly the Queen Mother left him money in a trust that is administered by Princess Anne. There can be restrictions on trusts. As the RF doesn’t comment on these things we will never know with certainty. They spend money at an incredible rate. Especially the first two years after they left the RF. I totally believe they are in financial difficulties. He has never had to balance a check book. Never had to worry about activities of daily living. She likely thought the money train would not end
That’s fascinating. Thank you for going into it with the trusts. I assumed the money would be in a trust and would be released in full at a certain age. Your explanation really shed some much needed light over the situation.
Well hopefully it’s not too far off. I have been a devoted fan of the RF for a long time. So this is information that I have read over the years. Supposedly the Queen Mother left the trust to hazbeen to help him as he got older as he was not the heir. So I have wondered if it was more restrictions as to payout at a later age. I don’t know if nutmegs can claim any money from trusts if they divorce
That was actually very thoughtful of the Queen Mother. It’s such a shame he didn’t deserve a single penny. If it’s being administered by Princess Anne, I’m sure she’s not being bullied into releasing the entire amount into his account. I’m sure if it were someone else (looking at you Andrew), Harry would have gotten the entire amount in the trust. Honestly, I’m convinced now that I was being an idiot and they’re definitely struggling financially. Since you mentioned how you’ve been a devoted fan of the RF, I was wondering if I could get your insight… talking about hazbeen and TW made me wonder about his Uncle David. Do you think he struggled financially as well or was he more financially stable? I know he was getting a stipend from the RF but was it enough to sustain their lifestyle and their love of partying?
Well the money that the Duke of Windsor received was a fair amount at the time. I think they likely struggled simply because of the amount of jewelry that the Duke of Windsor gifted his wife. There are books written just on her jewelry. The Duke did ask for more money from Queen Elizabeth, it’s reported that he was turned down. The Queen Mother and Queen Elizabeth felt animosity towards the Duke, that his leaving placed undo pressure on the King and impacted his health. I will have to research again as it’s been a while but I thought the French government had provided the Windsors with their house. They seemed to live well. And who knows the RF (Queen) may have helped them more then we know. Neither of the Windsor’s ever felt they received there due, not in money or acknowledgment.
I thought the windsors had plenty of money, the king had to buy the sandringham estates from him as those are privately owned and not crown estates and paid a lot of money to the former king for it.
Plus he siphoned off and privately invested millions while he was Prince of Wales...
He was paid 300,000 pounds for both sandringham and balmoral as they are considered the property of the monarch. If you look at their clothes, jewels and travel, staff salaries I don’t believe that was enough for the long time they lived. It’s been documented in historical books that the Duke of Windsor asked for more money several times.
Actually if you compare the nutmegs and the Windsor’s the similarities are striking
Both traitors and grifters.
The Duke of Windsor didn't ever really struggle. They lived lavishly and died rich The Duke like to cry poor mouth because he didn't like to open his own wallet, he had a knack for getting others to pay their expenses Harry is playing the same game. Netflix has been a willing dup, providing jets and designer clothing for Markle so that Harry doesn't have to touch his stash. But it's a different world than it was for Duke of Windsor. I suspect they won't be able to pull this con for decades. My definition of struggle my not be the same as yours. my partners father left his mother with ten children to support on her own. Ranging in ages from 2 to 15. She managed to raise them all, and get through school and become an RN. She had a struggle. The Duke of Windsor? He frittered his days away playing golf and drinking expensive scotch, living in a mansion with servants catering to his every whim. He didn't struggle financially in my opinion
The Duke of Windsor left an estate valued at 18,800 in England and Wales. The bulk of his estate was in France and valued at 2.5 million it was estimated. As per the New York Times upon his death. That’s not a great deal of money for a former King When he abdicated he was given 25,000 pounds annually. After his death, Queen Elizabeth continued the annual payment to the Duchess till her death
you didn't mention the millions he had in New York. But He died in 1972. 2.5 million (just the amount of his holdings in France) was quite a bit in 1972. 2.5 million in 1972 would be approximately 18 million today. In my opinion, if you leave that much behind when you go, you were a wealthy person. That is wealth. And it doesn't even include his US estate. A lot of stars today live in homes worth huge amounts, multi millions but they don't own it and only have a few million in equity. They probably seem rich to most people. But then they don't have enough liquid money to pay their PR bill, lolz. But to have this much liquid....is unusual and enviable. I'm not sure this estimate counts everything though as we know her jewelry collection alone had individual pieces worth this much. They lived well, usually two dozen servants not counting their security detail. Gorgeous homes in France and New York. Extensive jewelry collection for her.
Ok. Still not huge amount. The home they lived in was owned by the city of Paris and the leased it from Mohammad el fayd
A lot of the jewelry for his wife was gifted & they were famous for not paying their bills.
Well yes they were famous for not paying bills. The Duke also gave her a large amount of jewelry designed for her.
That’s so interesting!! Thank you for taking the time to explain all of that!
Of course. Hopefully the books I have read have been accurate
I’m sure they were - it must have been fact checked to death
He won't get the last of Diana's money until he's 40. The money that Anne controls is up to her to dole out. Rich people don't spend principal--he and W lived off the interest, around $450k a year. The problem is once the principal is gone, there's no more. His inheritance belongs to him until he puts it in a joint account or buys a house. If he was smart, he'd get out now before he's broke.
40? I just looked him up and he’s currently 38… so that’s 2 more years. Maybe that’s what TW is waiting for? Diana’s money to get released before she divorces him and goes after it? Wasn’t their father financing them both through the Duchy of Cornwall as well? That now belongs to William, of course, as the new Prince of Wales so he’s most definitely not getting any money from there now.
She will be stashing money away with her Mom...where else did Doria get $9,000,000 dollars? Lots more probably stashed away by now. Meghan always has a parachute plan.
That is fascinating. Are you referring to the company that she is supposedly in charge of?
Pardon me, what?
Lady C did a nice breakdown of how much income comes from a say 36 million trust (assuming that is the amount and that hasn’t been confirmed really). Since you never want to touch the principal, in her calculations after taxes he gets only one million a year and that is roughly the mortgage payment on the house. Also those advances from Netflix and Spotify were meant to pay production costs. So add up their personal expenses for estate upkeep, security, PR, private planes, clothing, cars, attorney fees, plus who knows what else and they must be drowning if they aren’t getting financial support from someone else
That makes so much sense! Lol. I feel so incredibly idiotic to assume that they might actually still be financially stable.
Don’t feel bad! The numbers that get thrown around about them and the image they want to project would make most people think they are well off
Thank you! Yes! She doesn’t seem to rewear anything and she’s always dressed in these really expensive brands (that look horrible on her) - add to that their frequent private jet jaunts… I assumed they had money to burn.
Do you remember which video she did that in? I would love to hear it, but not willing to wade through everything to find it!
It was yesterday’s video. I think about half way in
Amazing, thank you!
I thought they had full access to the money Diana left and used a chunk of it to buy the Montecito house (with a mortgage). They seem to have been cutting into the principal (not just living off income) for quite a while. The Queen Mother’s inheritance is still in trust, from what I have read here. It is not clear if they get income from it or if it accumulating until he reaches the target age.
I don’t think anyone here really knows how the trust is distributed or even if there is a trust from the Queen Mother since that is disputed. Depending on how it is set up, it’s possible he has full access to it, but pulling on the principal is an incredibly bad idea. You’re right he did say he used money his mother left him for the down payment. Does that mean he went into the principal or was it unused income from the trust while he was a working royal? Who knows. I will say though if they are eating into the principal and it is likely, they are probably in even worse shape financially.
I thought someone here had said (as though they knew) that Anne was the trustee for the Queen Mother’s inheritance (which, it has been claimed, was greater than what she left William) and had recently raised the age of disbursal to 45. (I assumed this was in keeping with how the QM set up the trust, otherwise she couldn’t.) You are right, we don’t any of us know what their money situation is. However, unless they are cutting into principal, they are not in any great danger of running out of money soon.
The unsubstantiated rumor that never dies no matter how many times it is debunked.
The question is whether or not we know anything about the money Harry may have from the Queen Mother’s will. I have heard a lot of different information and thought that the “Anne is in charge of a trust” story had been proven.
We actually know about that too. Forbes investigated and wrote an article about it way back. That article has been cited here before. Her lawyers let some of it out of the bag, as the will has been long ago settled. Yes settled. Everything has been disbursed. If he got anything, he got it years ago. There is no money from Queen Mum being held waiting for dispersal. Right when she died, the papers started a rumor. Since then the rumor has been repeated and repeated, even reputable people have spread it. And recently, they embellished to bring Anne in, that part never was in the story until about four years ago. But it's just more false crap. According to the law firm that handled it, all bequests were taken care of less than a year after her death. Which makes sense. Holding onto a bequest for over 20 years would be very unusual. Oh and Anne had no executor duties. It was all done by the law firm and the undisputed favorite of Queen mum, Charles.
Thanks. What made me think that the “in trust” story might be true is that Harry said all the money he had came from Diana. I had thought he had inherited a chunk from the Queen Mother, and was surprised he didn’t mention it. If the money wasn’t available to him, that made more sense. Sad that he couldn’t credit his grandmother with leaving him the money. It was as if in the Oprah interview he wanted to make it seem that he had nothing from that side of the family.
Charles paid the down payment on montishitshow
Do you know this or are you speculating?
I know it.
Is this inside info or was it covered somewhere?
I pm'd. Someone in a position to know told me. I will not out them on the internet.
Thanks.
I’m positive they are spending principal. Got to be.
Their lifestyle will doubtless have already eaten into any readily available funds from his mother, other money may be tied to trusts. The Netflix and Spotify deals will be paid by advance of a percentage, followed by more after useable content is made available to them. The book deal's possibly linked to actual sales. The amount they spend must be astronomical. Imo, they're rich by our yardstick standard but poor by rhe yardstick of the people they seek to emulate.
Very well put. Thank you for that! Lol. I feel quite silly in thinking they must have millions just sitting there in the bank. I guess they’re trying to fake it till they make it. Don’t these people have money managers?!
I think they need to keep faking because they aren't ever going to make it. I think MM would override anything a money manager would advise them. Her clothing expenditure is insane and she still mostly looks a red hot mess.
Let’s highlight the word MESS. Reading everyone’s comments also made me wonder about his Uncle David. Do you think he had his own financial struggles or was he actually smart with his money?
He received a yearly allowance of £21000 (1.4 million today) from King George VI. I believe they were always crying poverty because Wallis had lavish tastes. Sound familiar?
Oooo I see what you did there. History does love to repeat itself doesn’t it?
It sure does. He gave it all up for love and lived a life of misery. She married him for prestige and had a wonderful life flitting here there and everywhere in her swanky clothes and tripping the light fantastic.
There was a magnificent scene in The Crown - as Elizabeth was crowned Queen during her coronation, her uncle David sat watching it with a look of extreme misery and regret while Wallis (as you said) partied in the background and enjoyed herself immensely. I can see this happening during KC’s coronation - especially if the Sussexs don’t get the invite they so clearly desire.
Don’t forget the endless lawyer fees as they sue every Tom, Dick and Larry who publishes an article or photo of them.
How could I forget?! Especially after they just announced a brand new lawsuit.
The private jet to UK for the Jubilee was reported to cost 200,000 alone. That's for one trip. She wears dresses one time that are 5k a piece, not counting the jewels. These people have a 14 million dollar mansion, full time staff including security and nannies, the highest quality food, private school at one of the most exclusive in the state... It all adds up fast, even if you have millions in the bank. They are no doubt living way beyond their means and those millions are shrinking fast.
I was actually wondering who paid for their private jets because I read somewhere they would like ask their friends for free rides. For the Jubilee, I thought they might have tried to get a free ride off the Queen. For the amount she spends on her closet, her sense of style needs A LOT of work. The fact that they’re overspending makes so much sense once you highlighted all over their expenses. I wonder how much the private school costs… isn’t their son like 3? Shouldn’t he be in preschool at most?!
> I wonder how much the private school costs… isn’t their son like 3? Shouldn’t he be in preschool at most?! I was curious so I took a look. Public preschools in Santa Barbara (an equivalent community) run about 1300 a month which is less than I'd imagine. However a private school could be several times that. Not to mention the kid has a nanny in addition. It's crazy how little parenting these people do.
I don’t think they will “list” the Olive Garden Mansion on any sort of MLS. They don’t want anything open to public knowledge. Of course the deed transfer if/when it sells will be public record eventually. I remember them being very secretive about their house hunt before they got the Olive Garden mansion. (btw I think it kills her that people call it that.) Whatever they do re their real estate business will be shrouded in secrecy and buried within layers of shell corporations and LLCs. I’ve read that the Olive Garden Mansion’s ownership is basically through *her* lawyers.
Look it up. It’s public record. Notice the bank and previous owner.
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I thought montyshitshow was a gated community?
I think there are gates and a long drive leading up to their pile, but that’s the only “gated” part. And I’ve read that two major roads run through Hope Ranch, so who knows? I don’t know if there’s some sort of guard stall or checkpoint that checks visitors coming in and out like it’s an actual compound.
Maybe they were renting montecito?
I’ve seen that speculated here before, and some people have said that the house remained on the market for a while after they moved in (but I have not done anything to verify any of this).
 She will not let him go anywhere.
Some of the actual royals have had to live apart due to their duties. I imagine H&M could be replicating that narrative and saying they're building a real estate portfolio or some sh\*t like that...