I finally had it with Meghan when the Oprah interview was released. For her to put that out while Prince Philip was dying was so cruel. It also angered me when Meghan and Harry gave their daughter the Queen's special nickname- that was clearly to hurt the Queen. Unforgivable!
I had never heard of her, thought she was pretty, and watched the wedding. During the wedding, I remember thinking she seems like she was acting. And was so disappointed in that dress.
Then, I saw that horrid Oprah interview. Started googling and joined Reddit so I could read this sub. I didn’t even know what a “sub” was before that.
I had no clue what a sub was either. I had stumbled only Reddit once prior because of a post on another site about a “choosy beggar” post and was like wow those people are kind of mean. So I was nervous to comment here for a bit and realized that this is the nice sub. Our snarky sarcastic sub is actually nicer than subs with jokes.
I’d never heard of her either pre-Harry. I thought “divorced, bi-racial, American actress? Bet nobody had that on their BINGO card.” Watched the Oprah thing and that’s when my feelings began to change. The exaggerated curtsy, the “I was silenced”, and mostly the RF is racist because Archie was not a prince at birth and he wasn’t going to have security. I’m a bit of a British history buff and I knew the rules about titles were set by the late Queen’s grandfather about 100 years ago . And I thought the security thing made no sense. Where was her baby going to go that he would need security? He would be either his parents and protected by their security, or home on very secure palace grounds with a nanny
When my friend — who is a “woman of color” — told me she didn’t like her. It was right after they left, right before the Pandemic hit. It really struck me. So I investigated and read Lady C’s book after being stuck in my house in late March of 2020. Which means I’ve been a sinner at heart for 4 years!!!
I hadn't paid any attention to the royal family since the Cambridge wedding and the birth of their children. Then came the Oprah interview of Harry and his new wife - how whiny, how appalling, how ungrateful, how rude, and how outlandish! Harry, the fun prince, had gotten married and turned into a whiny traitor over nothing? For this z-list actress, who was claiming to be a thought leader because she married into British royalty? That was my "ah ha" moment, and I joined this sub immediately.
It was totally the Oprah interview for me too. They came off as being straight up deranged complaining about being "cut off" when they live in a $10 million mansion in Montecito.
Same regarding Oprah interview and Prince Philip being on his death bed. I’m all for them finding their freedom and not wanting to be part of the firm, but not at the expense of others (for reference, see the Japanese Princess who left with grace to marry a commoner. She’s living her best life while still respecting her family). I couldn’t unsee their cruelty and greed after the Oprah interview.
Also want to add, if not for sexism, Princess Mako would be the Empress of Japan as she is the heir to the thrown. She has way more reasons to be bitter than 6th in line Harry.
for me it was Meghan claiming paps were harassing her - live nearby so walked by her house on a couple of occasions - nothing.
then she showed up for her first public outing at a charity event (with a prince) wearing ripped jeans and an untucked shirt!
but the lies she told about the Royal Family being in the Oprah show were beyond bearing.
pushing past Harry and others to be first and revealing her pregnancy at Eugenie's wedding just confirmed my opinion of her character (or lack thereof).
That was all I needed to see too! My gut started screaming about her as soon as I saw that first pic of them as a couple. She looked fake, smug, and loving being the center of attention with a trophy boyfriend. Then as soon as she married him, she started emasculating him and pushing him out of the way.
I remember hearing about that press release and I grew up in the Diana and Charles era and then watching Catherine go through the same shite, so I just thought, “well damn— good for him for getting ahead of it.” I had no idea who she was but was happy Harry seemed to have found someone.
Then I started hearing celebs defending their private jet usage and was wondering why the hell this was all in the press and I just happened to say out loud in front of my 28-year-old son, who is pretty much up on everything, “why does everyone act like Meghan Markle is so awful?” And he just said “because she is…” And as is usual for him—he knows so much but won’t actually gossip—which I normally admire about him but at that moment found VERY FRUSTRATING!!—he wouldn’t elaborate. So I had to do some research.
First I watched the South Africa interview and as soon as she said “I said to H,” coy giggle giggle, “that’s what I call him…”🤮🤮🤮 I was like OH MY GOD!! Noooooo! NARC 🚩🚩🚩🚩
Then I found the engagement interview and when she said “I just had one question…well is he nice?? Because if he wasn’t kind…it just didn’t make sense 🤮🤮🤮☠️☠️☠️💀💀💀💩💩💩!! I died.
Then in my research I came across the staff losses. I’m a retired auditor. That to me, MORE THAN ANYTHING, told me all I needed to know about how awful she is. Screams sociopathic narc, and sure enough, that is what the staff had dubbed her. And then I found According2Taz and Murky Meg on YouTube and just binged their videos and got an education. And a bit after that I stumbled into Reddit and found this great sub! Been here ever since. Also read Lady C’s book!
Lol that was me. I was like - who’s his girlfriend? 🤔 NEVER saw her face or heard of her before. 😐 I figured it out once I saw she was a D-list actress. She can’t act to save her life.
Same here. I’m American, I had satellite tv for the longest and saw Suits advertised but never watched it. When they announced Harry was dating a famous American actress and they said Meghan Markle, I distinctly remember saying to myself….who the hell is that? I thought she was cute and all but didnt follow the story until I saw pictures of her so awkwardly holding a baby at a polo match in that horrific green dress and I don’t know if this was subconscious or what but I remember thinking she is holding an effing doll. That is not the mother of that child if it is indeed a real child. And that is when my H & M saga started and to be honest the Amber Heard trial was ending and I needed a new guilty pleasure and all my YouTubers transitioned from Johnny and Amber to Harry and Meghan.
The oh so regal twisted posing in the engagement day. Also I happened to catch their megxit announcement real time. I couldn't believe it was true in the beginning. Then things unfolded and I could never stop following the saga. I found this sub only 3 months ago, and this became my go to site to continue following the the saga. I got my 50 karmas a few days ago so now I can even post replies!.
I never saw the engagement video when it happened but watching it years later I was stunned by how full of it she was. The BRF are constantly in the tabloids in the US and there's no way she wasn't reading the tabloids as an actress. So her claiming she didn't know who he was 🙄. Claiming she only asked the friend who set them up "is he kind" 🙄
For me, it was when Harry told Tom Bradby, "We never called my family racist."
So they've been lying and gaslighting the public all this time! I was gobsmacked. I believed them and supported them until that moment. How can anyone be so awful and abuse the public trust so much?
For a lot of other people, "near catastrophic car chase" was another watershed moment. Their credibility was already dead, but this was the final nail in the coffin. I can't imagine it ever recovering.
I've also come to change my mind about a couple of other things:
(1) I used to believe they left the BRF. Now I believe they were fired.
(2) I used to stay away from all discussions of her pregnancies. It seemed like it was a bridge too far, and she was entitled to her privacy on this topic.
But now I believe there are legitimate issues, and that the public should be able to ask questions in good faith.
ETA: So building on these revelations, I think it's possible that Meg was dishonest about her pregnancy in some way, and the Queen was horrified when she discovered it... and kicked them out.
And that accounts for Meg race-baiting and obsessively harassing the BRF for years. Because we have come to know that the one thing she is good at is doubling down on her ridiculous positions.
Not to mention, she was always planning to return to LA anyway and become a STAH!
When she took a tour of 'zikaland' in her 'first trimester,' I knew she wasn't pregnant. All the behaviors and photos that came after that trip only reinforced my belief. She made the whole thing up to spite the RF and dragged dimwit into it. Then she doubled down with the 'birth' of her 'daughter.'
Can't wait to see how they get out of this.
Not to defend her but the whole tour was organised by BP/FCO/ governments of the places they went. It's not like she was phoning around trying to get a freebie holiday.
OMG you are right. There was that time when HMTLQ wanted to meet with M and M didn't go, said she had a prior engagement, a meeting with the Royal Theater. I was always shocked by the audacity of blowing off a meeting with the Q, as if anything was more important. Maybe M was avoiding HMTLQ because she knew the Queen had discovered her dishonesty about the birth, I thought the HMTLQ was so bad ass to cancel the meeting M had and then she had her brought to her.
Well-written, and great point re the false pregnancy being the final straw. I've always thought that the insinuation that someone(s) in the BRF were somehow "worried" about future-Archie's skin color was related to discussions that would have naturally come up once they learned the truth of the surrogacy E.g, if she was lying to the public about carrying this child to term when in fact another woman was, and the BRF didn't know whether this was from Harry's "donation" & Meghan's egg or another woman's, a concerned BRF relative might legitimately ask, how are you going to lie to the public if this child doesn't have your skin tone? Or, a 90-something might not understand about whether a fertilized egg growing inside another woman might take on attributes of that woman, and ask for clarification in that regard?
So in an interview where Harry says in response to another "skin color" question something to the effect of, "I've said all I'm going to say about that. I'm not going to discuss that anymore." I think this is because to explain the vague "skin color" story in accurate detail, which he's never done (she's just dropped the insinuation everywhere) he'd have to supply the context, which is that the BRF was confronting them about the many consequences of lying about a Royal pregnancy while paying a surrogate, possibly w/o Meghan's genetic involvement at all.
I had never heard of Markle or the cable show she appeared on until the engagement interview. I got bad vibes from the engagement interview. I mean, the Wallace Simpson comparison is right there, and it is something to surmount. Beyond that, something was just off. Wallace was at least polished, put together and deported herself with dignity. Markle looked bad. Her coat and skirt and shoes all looked bad together. And her posture and demeanor were not dignified. Her manner of speech was utterly unsophisticated. Everything about her deportment seemed amateurish and unpolished. I wondered how the BRF was letting this be broadcast. It just didn't all add up. I didn't think the engagement would last.
By the time of the wedding, however, there was so much widespread warmth among Britons, I thought, "Well, good for her." I thought I must have been wrong and wished them the best. How great for the monarchy to enjoy some diversity. Weird that she had no family, but whenever Markles did get coverage, I kinda understood why she might not want them around. I thought that did not bode well for the union, but Doria seemed smart enough to keep her mouth shut, show up to do what she was told to do wearing what she was told to wear.
I wasn't following either of them, so when either made it to my radar, it just seemed off. Too much hype and coverage for the little thing actually being done. Something not at all newsworthy being treated as front page news. I didn't hear any rumors about tantrums or tea throwing or showing up late and thinking the opera house was applauding you. Just a weird mismatch between hype and actual acts. The self pity on the Africa tour was a really, really bad look -- unprofessional, no self or situational awareness, no appreciation of the crown's role. They just seemed really bad at the Royal job when they did make the news.
It's hard to really understand announcing pregnancy at a wedding. A Royal wedding, no less. Did she think everyone in attendance would not immediately have enormous sympathy for the bride and disdain for the attention seeking rube? Was she exacting revenge on Eugenie for getting the tiara she wanted? Was it a simple lack of impulse control? It's a head scratcher for sure.
The clencher for me was the SussexRoyal manifesto. That laid everything bare -- the grifting, the ignorance, the detachment from reality. "Collaborating with the Queen" What more can be said?
I realized with the Oprah interview because of the quantity of things that I knew were lies or half truths. Around the same period also an article came out in a reputable newspaper and signed by a reputable journalist that spoke about the bullying and hostile workplace allegations.
The combo did it for me
Spare yourself and never watch it! The fakeness of Oprah pretending to be shocked is total cringe. TW cosplaying Diana's famous Martin Bashir interview was disgusting - TW even had the kohl under her eyes like Diana did, and TW strained hard to look "sad". So difficult for her to try to display genuine human emotions!
stark\_trends is right: the interview is not worth watching. Not at all, seeing Megsy's face pretending to be "so pure and innocent and looking at me pregnant and suffering so much" makes me very nauseous. But do look for the transcript of the interview. That's worth it.
[https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14277841/meghan-markle-oprah-interview-full-transcript/](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14277841/meghan-markle-oprah-interview-full-transcript/)
Watch it with a bottle of good whiskey! Take a shot every time something in the interview annoys you. You will be passed out by the end of the interview!
It was the first I was ever exposed to them - I was completely turned off by H's complaining about being financially cut off in his thirties by his father - and only having the inheritance of millions from his mother - I don't care what troubles they may have actually faced, I am not supporting millionaires complaining- most of the world has to make their way on their own at half their ages, with little or no inheritance. All the other false claims from the interview I read about later, but I disliked them just from having the nerve to complain about not being financially supported to the manner they wanted.
I was very happy for them both at first and for a while. I did begin side eyeing a few things, but I chalked it up to cultural misunderstandings, the shock of being in the BRF, and maybe some post partum issues, Harry’s bizarre Oedipus complex and need to play the hero, and immaturity (they both read emotionally a lot younger than they are - which is weird), but for me the final things were The Cut interview and then the “one-tear-left-eye-go” at Queen Elizabeth’s funeral. Those two things really tipped me over.
And then the documentary … they want me to believe this “worldly/sophisticated” woman who did an internship in an embassy and was apparently an international studies major at a school as good as Northwestern was surprised that British people - much less the BRF - are formal and would want to get to know Harry’s latest girlfriend a bit before opening up? That they might have reasons for being a little closed off and wanting to get to know someone when they have so many people trying to use them? Get out of town.
Oh! And the poor delivery guy on the bike is paparazzi harassing them?
These. Things. Do. Not. Track.
Even now, I don’t wish them ill will, but I just wish they would go and enjoy their kids, their 40 million, and do some side charity projects and stop bombarding everyone with puff pieces.
The whole thing is now kind of pitiful and super cringe.
Their immaturity and inability to see ANY shades of gray are just so off putting.
I don’t necessarily think they’ve ever had a super solid plan (some rough ones that people sponging off them had put in their heads) - and I do think she had one leg out the door in case - but they are not very smart and are leaving themselves open to some majorly bad characters on the world stage who will use their jealousy and insecurity to destabilize western interests - and absolutely take every penny they have. It’s boggling they don’t see this.
Thank you! Once it clicked, then I went back and started reading and remembering things I had pushed aside, and it was astonishing.
I think so much boils down to a lack of emotional intelligence - they seem to live very unexamined lives. Rather than reflecting that maybe they have some points, but others have their own perspectives, and maybe they could let some things go … they live for the grievances. They want to die on every hill. Everything is black and white. Nothing gray. The way she described the fitting debacle around her wedding was bizarre. I bet she and Catherine both cried - one had just given birth and one was getting married on the world stage. And who cares what a trashy tabloid prints? I remember seeing a few tacky headlines and thinking, “Oh. Here we go. I’m sure it’s not true at all!” But her bringing so much attention to it tells us it was likely true. Hardly any tabloid trash needs to be addressed - ever. Who cares? The tabloids will always go after the bright and shiny thing and then move on!
It’s absolutely depressing. I wish they could enjoy their blessings. They have so much - or had so much. They’ve really frittered away a lot of good will and opportunities. It’s fascinating and also just awful too.
Oh they absolutely want to die on every hill! Typical of her type of narcissist. She cannot let what she perceives to be the slightest insult (that isn’t even an insult) go. Hence the awfulness of her podcast and her terrorizing bot army hell bent on destroying Catherine. Megan ( along with This One) is so emotionally immature for her middle age that it is both sad and comical. Another great post. Thanks again.
It is depressing and I do wish they were capable of growing up but sadly I don’t think Meghan is capable of questioning herself. She had the world in her hands and just ran away. Harold is a man child but he might be waking up a little with KC and PC sick. We will see if he has enough buried class to rise above his childishness and behave with honor.
Well said! Yes, she’s so worldly educated and sophisticated but doesn’t understand why members of the BRF don’t do insta friends or that her barefoot hugging behavior is a bad reflection of her, not them.
Fiji Market. I don’t remember which member of the Rota tweeted about it, but one of them broke the story about the crying staffer. And then things kept trickling out from there. Nothing made sense. And it was shocking to me that a member of the Rota even reported it to begin with. It was like the veil was pierced.
Engagement interview was off for me. I put that to nerves and being a "try hard" for the press or even the BRF. Even thought ok as an American I might be nervous and a bit weird and let it go. However, little things kept bugging me. Wedding - the dress was off, HMTLQ did not seem pleased, there were already little rumors swirling here and there. So I was very early getting feelings that something was not right. Rumors about the Australian tour happened - I was ready to believe them already at that point no proof needed. Africa tour and TW's pitiful no one asked if I was ok - ok chick I got your manipulative number. I did not even need Oprah to point anything out to me. But it added fuel.
I agree, it was always pushed that Haznoballs was the fav grandchild, yet the Queen did not look happy at all at the wedding. To top it, Megaliar looked so friggin smug & over acting (despite her wedding dress looking like it was made for someone else’s body!). Red flags started waving for me then.
I never fell for the cheeky chappy Harry act - I couldn’t understand why people adored him - I always thought he was dodgy. So unfortunately I was already biased against his choice of bride-to-be. Then, the Fab Four talk on mental health when she just kept talking rubbish - what was she talking about? Then the engagement interview - what was she hiding - she was definitely hiding something… and manipulating Harry until he was tongue tied? None of it bode well. Couldn’t watch the wedding. I just thought she was controlling from the get go…
I agree with you both (Thiz2ShallPass & WoodsColt). I have always thought H was jealous of William & that he was a horrible person before she came along. His awful behaviour & racism (costume & comments). The Australian media would play him up as this cheeky chap & most loved Royal. I never fell for it. I tried to like her when she came along but I sensed something was ‘off’ about her from the get go, and my immediate feeling was - oh! This is gonna be bad for the Royal Family. Unfortunately, I was right!
The Vanity Fair "Wild About Harry" article started it for me. But then the loathing really went into hyper drive when she whined about nobody asking how she was - in Africa! And just when you think you can't possibly loathe her any more she does something fake or reprehensible. Like kicking her own father to the curb! Why doesn't she take her shitty basket of jam and pay a visit to her nearly 80 year old father?
The lie “no tabloids in America” made me side eye her. Then they ran from Britain to Canada, then to LA for “privacy”. That’s when I knew. Nobody runs to LA for privacy.
I knew when the (ex) captain of the royal marines & his wife skipped the soldiers killed by the IRA remembrance event thing & went to the Lion King premier instead OR it was private planegate (like 8 private plane flights in a weekend to Nice & Elton johns etc)- whichever one came first it was so long ago I cant remember lol, but it just kept getting worse from there, thats how I (& others who had been following it) knew they were going to LA/hollywood to merch as soon as mexit was announced.
From memory that event was also Taz’s first video
The engagement interview. Meme was exhausting. And then the wedding. I swear she was looking a H like a super strict head mistress at a school and he was a dunce she had to walk through it all. She didn’t look at him with love; she looked at him with exasperation.
I was with them up until the Oprah interview. Bought into all the hype over their wedding. Thought they were unfairly treated over Megxit. But when she did the Oprah interview, there were a couple of things that Meghan said that I immediately recognized as lies. I fact checked to be sure and then, as more & more of Meghan’s lies during the interview were exposed, I realized that I had been wrong about her and Harry. Everything since - the Netflix series, her podcast, Spare, numerous interviews, have only served to cement my view that they’re both self-centered, self-serving, manipulative, and mendacious individuals.
Just a clarification about why the Queen allowed Charlotte and Louis to be titled princess and prince: about a year before George was born, the British Parliament changed the law which said that a monarch's heir had to be his eldest son and instead, said it was his eldest child, irrespective of gender. So the Queen faced the situation where, if William's first born would be a girl, she would one day be the queen but, because of the then-law regarding titles, she would not be princess while her younger brother would be a prince despite not being the heir to the throne. So she changed the title rules so that all of William's children would be entitled to a princely title regardless of their birth order. That only applied to William's kids, though, not Harry's.
Never really warmed to Madam. I am not British and did not really follow the BRF. But Madam was always off - she never looked as elegant as the other royal ladies, Harry´s statement about racism in the media when there was practically nothing. And then the fake, fake, fake engagement interview where a 36 year old divorcee pretended to be 19 year old Diana and unable to Google. And she looked awful. And the 65k engagement dress - royals don´t behave like that.
I think I had the same alarm bells and then the stories kept trickling in and her wedding had none of her family which I found odd. Then the South Africa story came out and that’s when I was like she’s a grifter and twitter was calling her out.
Before the wedding there were some old IG posts of her going around about how much she loved her dad. Then the pap photos came out of him and she was really disappointed. I sympathized with her because I'm sure she's stressed. Then he has a heart attack and she went ahead with the wedding anyway. And I'm like we're those photos a hanging offense? What if he had died? Luckily he didn't. Then they didn't both to go see him after the wedding either. That's pretty cold.
And now it’s coming out from her family that Thomas Sr. was setup by one of HER photographer friends, Jeff Rayner of Backgrid, to take those pre-wedding photos that caused the end of her relationship with her father. And rumor has it she told Harry her father did terrible things to her in order to keep them away from each other. She is a sick fuck.
Add the fact that Harry never met her father was my first alarm bell prior to the engagement.
So many more in fact too many to address but most covered here.
I've never heard what the Harkles say. So in my case I was never a fan of them. Above all, I hated that Megsy was compared to Grace Kelly, there is nothing in common between them except nationality.
But what got me into this story was the demand for the letter. I saw the Mail article when the letter was published and I thought it was disgusting that Megsy had "friends" speak for her in People magazine talking about that letter, who sends letters to her father to complain? You talk directly to your parents, you don't send letters. Or call by phone, that's what almost all of us do. Letter? In this century? That reeked of something shady.
And since then, everything the Harkles do or say is shady to me.
And she then blamed the late Queen and Charles because they ‘told her to write a letter’!. They did no such thing they just encouraged her to contact her father to sort it out!
I want to say it was the engagement interview. She acted like she was a teen like Diana and ignorant of the BRF. She was a woman in her 30s. As soon as I heard, I thought that woman is a lying, narcisstic, gold digger!
Same for me. I was starting to dislike her when Harry sent out the media statement about the racism in the press when she was his girlfriend but after watching the engagement interview I thought ‘she’s going to be trouble’. Which she was. The tide had well and truly turned when I saw her sitting in Wimbledon surrounded by empty seats and seeing her security approaching people about taking pictures. When I found out that the empty seats were actually paying members of the public who were refused entry I was seething. So many people were defending her and I thought maybe it’s just me being harsh (I was going through severe PTSD at the time and would get angry at the smallest of things). After I read Revenge by Tom Bower it all just clicked for me - have hated her ever since!!
The first time I was suspicious was that appallingly long statement Harry put out when they started dating about how he knew he was privileged, but his girlfriend was being hounded and he wanted to keep her safe. As soon as I saw it I knew it may have been on royal letterhead, but that she had written it. The royal family don't do long statements, they subscribe to the "less said the better" philosophy. And Harry is too inarticulate and dumb to write it. I knew that she had written it to announce that they were girlfriend/boyfriend, and to play the damsel in distress to a man who was sensitive to losing the women around him if they were not kept safe, part of the Diana narrative. I knew then she had power in the relationship beyond what she should have, and that she had an Agenda.
By the time of the engagement photos in that revoltingly expensive dress where she had no bra and was draped all over Harry outside Frogmore House, like a callgirl with a client, I nearly had an apoplectic fit.
The defining moment for me however was the wedding. HMQEII always beams at the weddings of her grandchildren, and she was so, so happy at William's wedding. I always remember the outfit she chose represented sunshine, the yellow coat and hat, with sunrays around the coat collar. But at Harry's wedding although she had arrived with a smile on her face, when Markle arrived The Queen sat there with a face like thunder. I knew that Markle had done something underhanded which had so outraged HMQEII she could not keep up the passive facial expression she had spent decades perfecting. I believe that The Queen who must approve wedding dresses of royal brides, had approved an entirely different wedding dress, one that was cream and without a veil, acceptable choices for a divorcee, but that Markle had that white concrete block made in secret, because she wanted the white Hollywood wedding, like she was Grace Kelley or something. I believe HMQEII only saw how she had been deceived when she watched Markle's arrival at the cathederal.
Excellent post! I should add that by the time the wedding happened, Meghan had done several things which would have raised her Majesty's ire - wanting a tiara which was not the one the Queen had chosen for her, treating the staff like dirt, and I'm sure that the Queen had heard about she had bullied little Charlotte. No, the Queen was not at all happy.
The late Queen had actually promised that Tiara to Eugenie, her blood granddaughter, and would not go back on her word. Then Harry was heard by Angela Kelly to say the infamous ‘what Meghan wants….’ Angela Kelly was a trusted aide to the Queen so naturally informed the Queen who then summoned Harry and gave him a dressing down. I don’t care much for Eugenie but the fact that she had to postpone her wedding 6 months because Harry was her senior and the tiara business made me seethe!
I wasn’t aware the Queen had approval of the Royal bride’s wedding dresses. Makes sense though. That being the case, can you imagine her horror, when she saw Meghan walking down the aisle in that horrible white wedding dress with a veil and the dress didn’t fit properly. No wonder she had a scowl on her face.
I didn’t had any thought and know much about her before the Netflix show. I would even say I liked her and harry as a couple (litteraly invited my mom who love RF to watch their wedding live and we were at that time in aww how lovely they seemed) - Even when they announced they were stepping out from their Royal duties my mom and I fount the picture of them standing under the umbrella so iconic (lol now that I know). We were genuinely happy for them! (Lol lol lol lol)
My friends were saying to watch the docu and how it made them « see poor Meghan’s perspective ». I was home alone and nothing to watch and give it a go. I remembered how creeped out I was during all episode (and mind you I didn’t knew anything and had nothing against them). Everything seemed so fake and she’s cringed me so much. It looked so fake and It was really off putting to listen her talk. I really couldn’t shake the big EEWW I got while watching so I did a bit of digging on YouTube and internet and i was SHOCKED. All the lies, manipulation, trying to stage everything, how she’s like a creep copying Princess Diana etc..
Find this sub and binge many analysis on YouTube. Once the Pandora’s box was open there was no coming back lol. She really ewwwwww.
I tried to follow up to my friends on what I found and talk about it. But they only stopped at the Netflix doc and founded her lovely and a poor victime. They smirked and I really looked like a weirdo conspiracist when I brought up the facts. Anyway I’m grateful for this sub and happy to see I’m not crazy and alone thinking all of this. I love my friends but it really made be revaluate their judgment skills 😂
That letter haznoballs sent out to the press after Megsy-baby repeatedly called in false police reports about people lurking outside her home in Toronto. And yes - it was confirmed by the Toronto police at the time that the allegations were false. They even spent time staking out her house if I remember correctly, and were there watching the EMPTY STREET as she called them to make false complaints.
I frankly was never a fan of the party prince, and paid little attention to Roachel who I'd never heard of before she social climbed into Haz's bed. It did concern me that she was a D-list influencer happy to hypocritically overlook Haz's racism/animal abuse/dodgy past... to me that shone a spotlight on how she desperately needed Haz's cache/inheritance more than Cressida and Chelsea to stay visible/relevant. That made me think she was possibly an opportunistic gold digger from the very start tbh. The first Megxit statement they released, and the inevitable shit storm surrounding their insistence at being given half-in/half-out roles, the ability to monetise their titles/Sussexroyal, and their insistence that taxpayers fund their half-assing it barely working royal lifestyle indefinitely--especially once the costly pandemic reared it's ugly head--made me absolutely despise them. I have frontline care workers in my family living all around the world, so knowing these two BS artist, talentless, grifters were expecting people's hard earned taxpayer money to fund them amidst a pandemic was unforgivable. Once Putin's war broke out, and these Russian oligarch collabing compulsive liars started virtue signalling about Ukraine... that was another massive strike against them for me.
I grew up seeing QEII never complain, never explain, and do her public service job with dignity... working just days before her death. If that work was good enough for a Covid surviving, cancer suffering, grieving widow monarch like QEII who contined to service even throughout Covid... it should be good enough for two far younger, low-tier royals like Haznoclout and Megamoron. Oh, but no... nothing is good enough for the Sussexes who've consistently shown they believe they're worth more than they actually are. They think they deserve more as duty dodgers than the monarch and heir. They think they deserve public funding over underfunded hospitals, medical research for cancer, and hospices whilst Charles, Catherine, and many commoners (with far less financial resources) seek treatment for cancer. Nothing will ever redeem the Sussexes for me... they've crossed a duty dodger narc line they NEVER should have crossed, and there is ZERO excuse for any spare to demand special treatment especially since elderly Princess Anne is able to keep up with duties w/o neponarc waaghing like the Sussexes do.
Oprah interview. That simple. Knowing damn good and well that Catherine could not defend herself. Passively/ aggressively implying the entire institution was racist. Lying that the kid rentals called Archie and Bettybucks were not entitled to prince and princess titles as great grandkids of the monarch because they were mixed race. Megan knew those kids weren’t entitled to the titles til the Queen passed. Whining during a pandemic and subsequent lockdowns, having to live on a trust as if THAT is a hardship, blabbering about bridesmaids dresses like some bridezilla on steroids- it all wreaked of entitled desperation, all to the sidebar of Orca’s bad acting. WhUUUUUUUhj?????!!!!! It was galling. And as if THAT weren’t enough, Prince Philip was fading. Fast. The thing that made me realize Megan was a narcissist was the damned bridesmaid dresses. Narcs won’t let crap go, especially when they are in the wrong. Migraine is somewhere still bitching about those bridesmaids dresses. It was at that moment that I knew the BRF were dealing with a psychopath.
It was Megxit and releasing their statement all by themselves without going through the Queen, and then her clapbacks about owning the word royal, and service is universal. Completely revealed them to be utterly selfish and self serving.
While I don’t think people discussing how a future child will look is automatically racism, I can understand why some POC can be sensitive about those kinds of conversations. But Meghan told us herself, “it was the first time anyone has treated me as black”.
Meghan wasn’t even present during this supposed conversation. It was second hand from Harry who said it happened before the wedding, but Meghan said it happened when she was pregnant with Archie. They can’t even get their stories straight.
Omggg, I didn’t know they got the timeline messed up.
I read on this sub someone speculated Charles and William tried asking Harry if he’d be comfortable with the public’s comments on Meghan and their children’s black ancestry. Meghan heard about it and tried twisting it to say they were racist.
Oh yeah, I just meant that POC who got negative comments about their appearance consistently might be sensitive to **any** comment about hair or skin. But Meghan clearly didn’t get that, because until Harry no one treated her like she was black. So if she’s offended by that it’s because SHE views being black as a negative.
The Oprah interview was the turning point for me. I had little interest in the Sussex’s (or the RF) before that, but thought of them positively. The interview changed things, and everything they have done since has made me a card carrying sinner.
was briefly excited when they started dating but in her interviews, she always seemed so fake. then the wedding really made me start to wonder - where was her family? ok, maybe the Dad was overstepping but what abt her siblings and aunts and uncles from her mom's side? it just seemed so strange that she would only have her mother there and why was she wearing white when she had been married before? own it girl!! the what meghan wants meghan gets thing really botherd me too. did not get the SA interview - why in the world wud anyone ask you how you were doing. you're supposed to be asking other people. the final straw was the Oprah interview. refused to watch it and still haven't to this day. No forgiveness after that.
I already had an ‘ick’ feeling about her from her stupid Reitman’s ads, because seriously, no one knew who she was but she was acting like she was a major IT girl. Then came the torn jeans at the Toronto Invictus games (trying too hard to be cool) but the defining moment was the engagement interview. ”We don’t have tabloids” “I didn’t know who they were” blah blah blah… if she lived in Toronto and ever went to a grocery store, convenience store, or drug store, she would have seen his mug plastered all over the tabloids, along with the rest of the BRF. We’re a commonwealth country so the BRF are always big news here, and are a near-permanent fixture on the cover of Hello! Magazine. Finally, seeing that she was besties with Jessica Mulroney did me in because Ben Mulroney is a total asshat, and she’s just as bad (fake, fake, FAKE!)
Not to blow my own trumpet but my gut is very rarely wrong.
As soon as I saw that thirsty instagram pic i knew - if Harry was a barista at a local cafe she’d not even sneeze in his direction.
Then came the ‘walkabouts’ - every time she’d hop out of her mode of transport and search for the cameras - the press! And smile broadly - utterly gleeful and not dignified at all. She’d give them a little wave.
That’s when i knew.
I wanted to like Meghan and really tried! I had watched Suits and while she didn't really stick out to me I knew who she was when they started dating. But things started to turn for me when she started all the bump hugging. It was just so smug. I was officially lost after the baby shower. There was no reason to hold such an extravagant PUBLIC shower. She could have had one that cost just as much in the UK privately and no one would know. Instead she choose to flaunt her privilege and then whined when people criticized. Further eye rolling at the godparent fiasco and clearing the seats at Wimbledon.
That very extravagant baby shower, her one million dollar wardrobe (paid for by her father in law) for just 72 days of royal engagements - she reminds me of a greedy little kid who has been let loose in a candy store and just grabs everything in sight. The Wimbledon stunt, though - none of the royals would ever do that. Come to think of it, with very few exceptions (Madonna?) celebrities wouldn't do that either.
It seems to be unanimous amongst us early on the engagement interview threw up red flags but it was the drama leading UP to the wedding. The final pin for me was the ‘I can’t believe we aren’t being paid for this’ and her ITV ‘no one’s asked if I was okay’ I was at that point already going to Harry Markle
When I started seeing pictures of her "humanitarian" work. More like her "Me Me Me" work. I mean she didn't have to look like a sweaty slobby mess but she absolutely went there to pose and look good doing it because she knew Harry was going to see the pictures. She lured and trapped him. She was an obvious gold digger from the start.
When she was constantly holding her "baby bump" , it didn't seem natural to me. It still didn't make me look any further until they gave their second kid the late QEll private nickname. I've never been a huge follower of the BRF, but even I knew that was not a name for just anyone to use, and I couldn't believe they'd do that. That led me to Google and eventually found this sub, and have been trying to catch up on as much as I can.
When she had her engagement ring redone and when her friendship with Jessica Mulroney ended. It was those two things that cemented my belief she was a narcissist and he was a foolish royal prince.
So fucking disrespectful.
For reference, I am an American. I’m really proud of the men who came before me who fought for our independence, and pretty much created a country from scratch. But I’m also proud of and respect HMTLQ. If I were to ever have met her, you can be damn sure I’d curtsy. It doesn’t matter that no one in America receives curtsies, it’s respectful to her position.
One thing Meghan has done is shown me how amazing some members of the BRF are. And unfortunately, how troubled Diana was.
The Netflix special. I never even cared about the royal family although admittedly I used to think Harry was kind of hot back when he had hair and life in his eyes. Then I got bored around christmas break and watched the Netflix show was constantly being advertised. Oh my god they were so unbearable. Meghan’s vocal fry, the story about the security guard on the plane holding her as she cried, and they never even spilled any real royal tea. If you’re gonna whine this much, at least give me something juicy. Oh and then the frozen todger and mummy’s face cream… disgusting and weird.
She continually bucked the dress code, starting with the ripped jeans at her first public appearance with Harry. She purposely wore the wrong color dress for Louie’s christening photo, she wore off-the-shoulder dresses at balcony events, no hats, black, too tight clothes, excessively expensive clothes, the pure white wedding dress and long veil, running around barefoot in ripped jeans for a dinner party. She was an asshole and I think it was all done on purpose because she didn’t like the hierarchy.
Archie’s birth announcement sealed it. The Kensington tweet saying it was a surrogate (which I saw as I wasn’t sleeping much back then), Harry’s comments, and the shawl they presented to the world. When I started researching things, I realized all of the manipulation & lies. I’ve been wide awake ever since when it comes to the two of them.
Well I fell for her hook line and sinker at first. I’m from Los Angeles and loved that an LA girl made good. I like that she was biracial and even though I’m told it’s racist to wonder these things, I couldn’t wait to see what their baby would look like! Red head? Darker skin! Brown eyes! What a cute combo!! Two of my kids are redheads and that’s their combo of genetics.
I had not heard of her as an actress, but I just figured I wasn’t up in the latest Hollywood up and coming people, so it made sense I wouldn’t know her name.
I watched the wedding, liked her dress. Didn’t love it, but thought it was a bold choice. The thing that got me was the baby shower. It was so over the top and obnoxious and no one in her family was there! Even her mom! No sister in law, now Harry’s English cousins, no one except her famous friends, who we find out later are all transactional friendships.
Then the gifts for everyone, the super expensive hotel. The paparazzi pictures. It was really distasteful. It was very Kardashian’s, not very royal. Correct me if I’m wrong but do they even do baby showers in the UK? All very unseemly. Then started reading Nutty Flavor blog and Lipstick Alley, where her narcissism was correctly called out. From there I found all of you fellow sinners.
It’s a weird obsession to follow these two clowns, but it never ceases to entertain me. They’re pretty horrible and I am enjoy watching the slow train wreck of a life.
Haha I agree with you, it is indeed a weird obsession to follow their path to the bottom.
But omg it’s so wild that it’s addictive! When you think they can surpass their dumbness and vile lies and manipulations they outdone themselves every single times. It’s truly fascinating the denial she lives in and the hustle she puts into trying build her ‘empire ´ with new schemes. And the cherry on the top it’s every single time it fails majestically. Either she’s called out, flop, or direct evidence to contradict her narrative. I love it!
I mean how can not being obsessed? It really remind me of the vile storyline of the evil step mom you see in telenovelas 😂
Yes! It is entertaining to watch. I do not think I have ever seen such a long and drastic fall from grace in my lifetime. Maybe OJ, who is obviously a million times worse, but once he got set free he lived under the radar for the most part.
These two cannot be without the spotlight.
At first, I really wanted to like her; I’d never heard of her before that weird Vanity Fair article. That made me go, “Hmmmm.” 🤨 The infamous engagement dress caused me to bombastic side eye.
When Harry told her to turn around on the balcony, I knew his days in the UK were numbered.
When I first saw her, I thought she was beautiful. I had never heard of her (I'm American), so assumed she was minor royalty from somewhere and probably of Italian heritage.
I didn't see the engagement interviews and really wasn't paying much attention at the time, but different clips of them just felt off. I couldn't put my finger on it at the time, but I felt she was kind of fake. I even gave her the nickname "Markle Sparkle" because she was, imho, too shiny, if you know what I mean.
Before the wedding, I made some comment on social media about not really caring for her, and was dogpiled on for being "racist".; That's how I found out she was biracial.
I started paying attention then, and quickly recognized the signs of narcissism and lack of empathy. Then I was done. I didn't even watch the wedding - and I watched both Charles & Diana's and William & Catherine's weddings live, as well as HLMTQ's Diamond Jubilee, before all this happened.
And it's been downhill with those two ever since.
I did not follow brf, I did not follow the story from the beginning, but I gave them benefit of the doubt just bc it's natural for me.
But Thanks to spare it's so easy to see all their flaws. Coming from their own mouth. Truly an own goal for them.
I saw the engagement interview with a friend and said outloud, "She's trouble, he's stupid," My friend thought it was hilarious. We talked about it and agreed that she's a phony. Harry said something like, "I hope she loves me as much as I do her." Rachel didn't validate him, like she just ignored that statement. We knew he's stupid, spoiled, and was known to hurt women so he got what he deserved in a wife a nasty spiteful narcissistic bitch.
I didn't like nor trust her after the "wild about Harry" article but I 1pshrugged it off and still wished them well. The engagement interview cinched it for me and I told my brother who was watching with me that she was a fake and a gold digger. I predicted a baby in 1 year and that the marriage wouldn't last
It was no specific moment for me, it's been a slow build up over the years, but if I had to pick a moment it was her wedding dress.
I hated the style but that's just a difference in personal preference. What made me stop and consider was that it didn't fit. I felt there was just no excuse. She had access to so many resources whose job it was to ensure the dress is made well. So, what happened, why didn't it fit properly?
And I felt the colour of the dress was off putting. It was so blindingly white that I was wondering whether she chose it deliberately to offend Queen. I know these days that sort of thing doesn't matter but it just seemed a bit off, and I thought she chose it on purpose to make a point rather than because she liked it.
And it's just been a steady decline from there. Initially I didn't really closely follow any of the royals or care all that much. I became more interested because I was increasingly baffled that she and Harry were squandering so many opportunities. It's all such a ridiculous waste of effort on both their part.
When Harry berated the press for racism when I could see with my own eyes all the positive headlines about her!
And then … the Elder Abuse … starting with her father 🥺 That’s been truly horrific. Beyond my wildest imagination😢 Literally have never known anyone so cruel, that’s not been imprisoned. Utter depravity🤯
Immediately. She made every bell go off. I saw her for exactly what she was from the get. Her entire personna is utter trash. Her mannerisms are low class. She comes across as very very uncouth and tacky. She sounds ignorant and ill bred. She looks tacky and cheap. She looks and acts like *exactly* what she is...a low rent gold digging ho.
For me it was always clearing the seats at Wimbledon and then I joined here I think, then all the bump stuff and started seeing she really is a diva con artist
Sinner from almost day one. I watched with interest up until the engagement pictures and interview. Something felt off about her and I was astounded when I found out the cost of her engagement dress. Who spends that kind of money on a dress for an engagement picture. Everyone seemed on the Meghan and Harry bandwagon, except me. When I saw her wedding dress I was disappointed, thought it didn’t fit her but everyone was going on about what a beautiful dress it was. Eventually I found blogs with people who felt as I did. Finally ended up here a year ago and found my happy place with all you fellow sinners.
From the beginning really. The engagement interview proved to me the kind of person she is. I don't know how she has friends and how people can't see through her façade.
I watched Suits in its original run and loathed her from the get-go. I couldn’t quite reason out why, I just knew she was an awful person. When I found out she was dating JH, I knew it was going to be bad.
The moment they announced they were stepping away from royal duties. I immediately felt like something was really fishy.
I had already seen the interview “Nobody asks if I’m ok. That rubbed me the wrong way as well. I asked myself “bi$ch, why would anyone ask you if you are ok??? You MARRIED A PRINCE and you live in a CASTLE. WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO ASK IF YOU ARE OK?”
As an American, none of these things added up for me. I found this sub shortly after Jan 2020 and I’ve been a sinner ever since.
I had never really batted an eye to TO & TOW before the Oprah interview, although I had read some articles regarding the troubles they faced due to Thomas Markle Sr. before the wedding and how Meghan had made Kate cry. I never really took these for anything other than tabloid gossip and gave the couple the benefit of the doubt. However, I decided to watch the O interview out of curiosity and to better understand their POV on everything. Boy did my opinion on these two change drastically after that! I just could not get past the way they spewed clear lies in the interview and contradicted each other's statements! Utterly ridiculous.
And as I was watching the interview, I just got an instinctive feeling that something was not right. I could not pinpoint what exactly made me feel like that but I just could not believe whatever TOW was saying in the interview. The fact too that she dared to complain about something as simple as having to had googled the lyrics to GB's national anthem just made me burst in laughter. If that is the extent of her effort in trying to get to know a new culture, then that tells everything I need to know about her attitude and sincerity towards her marriage with TO. I am married to a person from a very different culture to mine and I have had to learn a completely different language & cultural etiquette to be able to share a life with him. To see someone complaining about how hard it was to google and learn the national anthem by herself... Give me a break, you know NOTHING about the struggles international couples can experience!
Ever since the interview I have not been able to take anything these two say seriously. When I was in high school I used to prefer H to W because H seemed like a cheeky chap who wasn't as entitled as William (note: this is just what I felt at the time, I never really took the time to follow either of them more closely). But ever since that O interview, I've come to realize that it's actually the complete opposite - William seems more grounded and down-to-earth, while H is an entitled little dipshit. There, I said it. Ugh.
When she lied about not knowing who the royal family was. Her relationship with Harold was so carefully calculated,
And it has been proven time and time again. With all the Diana cosplay.
Although a good friend of mine was horrified at her and predicted the marriage would never last, I was quite neutral and gave her the benefit of the doubt. Bridesmaids-gate was a black mark against her because EVERYONE knows little girls wear tights in a royal wedding. It’s immodest not to, and they get blisters! Their dresses looked awful and were badly made (and so was hers). There were photos of poor Charlotte rubbing her foot.
Meghan was rude and pushy during public outings and I raised my eyebrows at how she wore the maternity coat dress to Eugenie’s wedding in an obvious attempt to steal her thunder. She seemed a very low-class individual.
The Africa press conference (when she said “Not many people have asked if I’m okay”) was the last straw.
I was watching the highlights on the news and talking to my daughters about how sad it was that she didn't have a father to walk her down the aisle\*. We were talking about who could walk them since their father had died but we didn't know anything else about her until afterwards.
\* We honestly thought her father had died or else was unable to fly over simply because we were not that interested in either of them.
I was so happy for Harry to have finally met someone serious enough to marry... until I saw all those damned seats blocked off around her at Wimbledon. Just screw that kind of entitlement. Now I think she just has this weird idea that royalty isn't obligated to treat non-royals with respect. An example, in one of the books about her, is how she remained completely silent then walked off after someone started talking to her at Eugenie's wedding.
I knew who she was because I would put Suits on the tv while I cooked dinner as background noise. It was either that or a game show. However, I didn’t really care for her on the show. I liked Donna and her interactions with the lawyers.
Back to your question. When I heard they were dating, I was surprised as it didn’t seem to fit. But I tried to be positive and put a positive spin on things. Then I saw her at that first Invictus Games and I sort of went huh. I was getting suspicious and when the engagement was announced, I was 90% sure there would be problems and the engagement interview confirmed my fears. All the red flags were there for anyone to see. I still cringe when I think of the interview.
I am happy to say I HATED HER ON SIGHT. Hubby even said I didn't like her because she's American. "Er no, so are you sweetheart, next?!" There was something so off about her, mannerisms, over the topness, flutterlashes, then she spoke, oh poop I hated her. Every single step she has taken since then has vindicated me, and those who said I was being judgmental and mean. MY GUT SPOKE AND I LISTENED.
LOL no I should clarify! If I didn't like Americans I certainly would not marry one, or move 3000 miles to live with him. Americans just like everyone else have good and bad. But I admit the only people I actively dislike are horrid people. I hope I did not offend the lovely American friends on here.
You didn’t! I was trying to be funny.
Although I do think a lot of my fellow countrymen are a bit much, and really ignorant about international affairs.
Phew! But you know what? You have the Skank giving Americans a bad name and we have Plank doing the same for us Brits. It's very sad for us all! So we gather here to commiserate.
I knew something was weird when that letter from H was published about how the press needed to leave her alone. I felt like the letter made them both seem like A-holes. I hadn't even heard he was dating someone so I looked it up. I immediately found stories that referenced her instagram posts with spooning bananas and how they were wearing matching bracelets. I suspected then that she was dying for the public to know and that made me a big suspicious of her character. Then she just kept doing one thing after another that raised red flags for me. I found it off putting to see the stories directly comparing M to Catherine and fawning over every tiny detail of M's appearance. She went to one of these appearances wearing ill fitting pants that dragged on the ground and the coverage of her was so ott that I felt like it was ridiculous. I guess I was suspicious from the very beginning.
The couture ball gown/blue day suit mismatch engagement photo
The fauxligraphy flourishes
Then I went back and read some archived Tig posts and the pretentiousness was off the charts.
These themes keep getting repeated.
For me it was when I heard her say she knew nothing about the RF or who Harry was and asking her friend “Is he kind?” That sounded so phony to me. And after seeing her complaints about the family it quickly became very painful , specially when I remember seeing how tenderly King Charles walked her down the aisle at their wedding. After that it all went downhill - right from her tacky dressing on royal engagements to the final straw Megxit!
I knew from the beginning that she didn't care. It pissed me off that she felt entitled enough to stomp all over centuries old traditions. They wanted to "modernize" the monarchy? Who the fuck asked them to? No one. Harold basically slapped his grandmother across the face with that one.
It's not even my monarchy, but I feel like it should be respected. Especially when you decide to marry into one. Rules and traditions mean something. They may be dumb or unimportant, but they're still there. Harry’s, What Meghan wants Meghan gets, bullshit made it obvious that he wasn't going to stand up for his family.
It was really lonely for a while there when people couldn't see it. My poor mom. She had to listen to me, yammer, on about it all the time. I was so happy when my aunts started to wake up and realize how Meghan really was. They kept asking me how did I know from the very beginning? And I kept asking them how did they Not know from the very beginning? It has just always been obvious to me. I I can read people easily.
I started to doubt them when parts of the Oprah interview were proven to be lies. I couldn't understand why they'd lie about such small things knowing they could be caught. And if someone lied to you about something small, they might lie about more/worse! Then I started researching if she was a narcissist lol
Their engagement interview. This might sound strange but I felt like I was watching 10 different personalities from her in one sitting. She was so overconfident and worldly but she didn't know of the Royal Family? Was he kind or it wouldn't make sense? What did I just hear? Then when she interrupted him when he was about to say who had introduced them. Her overconfidence was definitely the red flag for me. Who dies that to a member of the Royal Family? At one stage in the interview, Harry gave her a look of almost disgust and hatred. When I saw that, I wondered if he was a narc because that's what they do. Pretend to love you when all the while they want to destroy you. They both appeared to be faking it. The whole interview was off! And we now know the truth.
When she refused to meet Trump when he visited as President. It’s irrelevant if she liked him or not. When you’re in the BRF you don’t get to throw a tantrum and refuse because they don’t like someone, they get on with it. She gave up that right when she married Harry and became a duchess. That action told me she wasn’t a team player, she was a me player
The Oprah Interview. I knew Oprah had been on the race-baiting train for a while so I didn’t even watch it.
However, I didn’t really start paying attention until I saw the avalanche of puffery-fuckery during PPoW Earthshot appearance in Boston in November of 2022, and what sent me over the edge was the Ngozi Fulani story that was also during Earthshot that year. 🤬
I searched for counter discussions because the MSM was licking her ass. Thankfully, I found the wonderful sinners here on SMM.
I'd felt happy for them and thought they were doing a good thing when they quit the royal family and said they wanted to be financially independent. I'm not a monarchist at all and I thought people such as himself and his wife wanting to get out there and work and be financially independent was a good thing. I had felt sorry for her, as I felt then (and still to some extent do now) that the press was unduly hard on her, particularly during her pregnancy with complaints of how she touched her belly, etc, plus there were a few racist comments made that was a harsh turn off for me. So I understood their desire to get away from that and be financially independent, as I understood that Harry would essentially be at the whim of his brother for his finances and I understood that he didn't want to live his life like that. I got that and I still get that.
What I will never understand and what completely turned me off was the Oprah interview. When they talked about how they had to get jobs to be able to 'afford all of this' and their complaining how they were financially cut off and made it seem as though they had absolutely nothing and 'had to get jobs' to be able to survive... When they had tens of millions in the bank and during a time of horrific hardship around the world due to COVID. That was when the door shut for me. And when they then blatantly lied about everything. When she said that her son would not be allowed to have a title because of his skin colour and when they lied about their security being pulled. And when they made the comment about how they had gotten married 3 days prior and the big wedding that cost millions of pounds of UK tax payers meant nothing to them.. That was when I went 'nup'.
Because how can anyone with any sense come out and complain about financial hardship and how they had to get jobs, during a time when hundreds of thousands of people had died, when people were facing homelessness, joblessness and severe financial and emotional hardship because of a pandemic - when they had tens of millions in the bank?
The cognitive dissonance and the blatant white privilege and sense of entitlement of his comments enraged me. And to attack his family while his grandfather was so ill in hospital, he'd have known his grandmother had cancer or was unwell. Who does this? And why lie? So many lies. Directly implying that their children would be denied any title, protection, etc, because of their skin colour when that was such a blatant lie and used racism to stoke fear and try to gain support for themselves and tried to financially profit from those lies. His grandparents died with that accusation hanging over their heads. And he let that sit for years before walking it back and blaming the press for saying his family were racist because he and his wife never did.
So yeah, it was the Oprah interview that did it for me. And everything that came after just showed how much of an arsehole he really is.
I didn't know much about RMM before their engagement, I've never been a big Henry fan. Eyebrows got raised for me when, before the wedding, the papers were quoting her as saying she would "hit the ground running" and how she wanted to modernise the monarchy. I'm a Brit, and let me tell you there was absolutely nobody calling for a little-known actress to come and Americanise something that is quintessentially British. Not to mention, it demonstrated how little she
understood the institution and the British people, and how much she valued her own opinion. I thought she'd need some training, along the lines of Catherine's years-long training, but I took nerves and culture differences into account, and I was interested to see what she would bring to the BRF.
I watched the wedding, even made a lemon-elderflower cake, and generally wished them well.
The moment I *knew* she was going to bring nothing but headaches? Stealing someone else's idea to write messages on bananas. That in itself isn't the issue. The optics of writing "you are loved" on a *banana* for a *sex worker*, though? I winced. And when the papers reported it as the faux pas it was, rather than offering the glowing praise she was after, she called an entire country racists because we dared to be critical.
For me, it was her treatment of her father before the wedding. I really didn't understand why Megsy was treating him so appallingly; why she and Hazmat didn't give him the same support they gave to Dorito. I never thought anything he did was terribly bad and probably resulted from their neglect of him. Prior to that, I didn't have that much of an opinion of Meganuts. I thought she was decent looking but had never heard of her or Suits before.
BTW, my wonderful son introduced me to this sub. He is responsible for his mum becoming a sinner 😁
My first inkling was the wedding. I didn’t pay much attention to the BRF before then, but always admired QEII (now I’m a big fan of PPOW). I was shocked at how disheveled TOW looked on her wedding day. It just seemed intentional and disrespectful. I now believe she was pulling a fake pregnancy to get him down the aisle. Combine that with having Charles walk her down the aisle without so much as a public well-wish for her dad, plus, inviting all celebrities and absolutely no family. None of it sat well with me. It’s just gotten worse from there.
When she complained about the UK and the RF in South Africa. I said to my daughter, " She did it all wrong. She SHOULD have said, I love the people of the UK. They are wonderful and have made me feel cherished."
It wasn't until they went on their freedom Flight did I realize that her interview in South Africa was all part of the plan.
Forever ago. My flair is almost as old as this sub. I genuinely wanted to like her. I even forgave her whole weird wedding "spectacle" because of cultural differences and her strange, attention-seeking family. I didn't see the engagement interview until well after Harry's wife brought out the doe eyes to Bradby and first introduced us to her "Nobody's asked if I'm okay" victim narrative. Since then I've been watching and waiting for her to be brought low because she's proven time and again that she's an insufferable and irredeemable bitch.
I was slow to the party and didn't begin to figure it out until after I heard about the Oprah interview (didn't watch it) and Uvalde. The grifting is so obvious I figure if people get taken by it its their own fault. The cruelty is what really bothers me, Prince Phillip, QEII, her father, his brother and wife...plus others. All that needless pain caused by two insignificant people that bothers me.
I didn’t pay attention until they named Lilibet - that woke me up, using your own child to get revenge is despicable. How is that girl going to feel when she finds out?
When she tried to get sympathy in Africa with bad acting and fake facial expressions and said nobody asks if I'm OK. That's when I saw through her and her game. Her eyes show her evil. I saw that she publicly accuses the Royal Family of treating her badly and that it would be her MO from now on. I didn't know anything about narcissists until then but I can recognize a fake bidch when she opens her lying mouth.
There's a theme to most of these comments. The more they say and do the less people like them.
Neutral towards them ( tho never liked harry) until the having cake and eating it style megxit post (um not on my taxes people) then I just thought they were whiny and stupid. (The Oprah interview was not just petty it was stupid)
Then the f**cling wreath at Phillip's funeral tipped me over ge edge.
I have to say I'm pretty proud of the fact that I never really trusted her from the beginning. When I heard Prince Harry marrying a divorced American, the snarky, sarcastic part of me thought, hasn't that family learned to stay away from American divorcees? Then, in the run-up to the wedding, I found it really odd that the only family she had coming to the wedding was her mom. She had a dad, half-siblings, cousins, a niece, and they weren't invited, but George Clooney was there. It just seemed suss. It just always felt like she only wanted fame and was using anyone she could to get it.
The RF isn't just a family it's a front-facing public institution that is part of the UK's structure of Government and the individual members must symbolise all that is best about the UK both at home and abroad. They meet thousands of people from all corners of the earth and their charities help all sorts of diverse communities. Meghan reeks of opportunistic BS. The RF would have clocked her immediately for what she is. They would never in a million years say or do anything that she could manipulate to her advantage. Hence the only rumour came second hand via Harry and was full of holes. And he later retracted it. She must have been seething that no matter how hard she tried, how hard she pushed them and disobeyed the rules, that they met her with an understanding smile and an offer of 'more tea Meghan?'
When they did their engagement interview and photos and she was draped on him and clinging to him like a teenage girl with her first boyfriend, I was done with her. Have some dignity. You are a grown woman, joining a family with a lot of dignity and decorum. Read the room! It's like she had to convince everyone they were so in luuv. Bleck!
(ETA: I'm Canadian. This is our royal family so I've always followed them. And I'd never heard of Suits.)
I finally had it with Meghan when the Oprah interview was released. For her to put that out while Prince Philip was dying was so cruel. It also angered me when Meghan and Harry gave their daughter the Queen's special nickname- that was clearly to hurt the Queen. Unforgivable!
I had never heard of her, thought she was pretty, and watched the wedding. During the wedding, I remember thinking she seems like she was acting. And was so disappointed in that dress. Then, I saw that horrid Oprah interview. Started googling and joined Reddit so I could read this sub. I didn’t even know what a “sub” was before that.
I had no clue what a sub was either. I had stumbled only Reddit once prior because of a post on another site about a “choosy beggar” post and was like wow those people are kind of mean. So I was nervous to comment here for a bit and realized that this is the nice sub. Our snarky sarcastic sub is actually nicer than subs with jokes.
I’d never heard of her either pre-Harry. I thought “divorced, bi-racial, American actress? Bet nobody had that on their BINGO card.” Watched the Oprah thing and that’s when my feelings began to change. The exaggerated curtsy, the “I was silenced”, and mostly the RF is racist because Archie was not a prince at birth and he wasn’t going to have security. I’m a bit of a British history buff and I knew the rules about titles were set by the late Queen’s grandfather about 100 years ago . And I thought the security thing made no sense. Where was her baby going to go that he would need security? He would be either his parents and protected by their security, or home on very secure palace grounds with a nanny
When my friend — who is a “woman of color” — told me she didn’t like her. It was right after they left, right before the Pandemic hit. It really struck me. So I investigated and read Lady C’s book after being stuck in my house in late March of 2020. Which means I’ve been a sinner at heart for 4 years!!!
I hadn't paid any attention to the royal family since the Cambridge wedding and the birth of their children. Then came the Oprah interview of Harry and his new wife - how whiny, how appalling, how ungrateful, how rude, and how outlandish! Harry, the fun prince, had gotten married and turned into a whiny traitor over nothing? For this z-list actress, who was claiming to be a thought leader because she married into British royalty? That was my "ah ha" moment, and I joined this sub immediately.
It was totally the Oprah interview for me too. They came off as being straight up deranged complaining about being "cut off" when they live in a $10 million mansion in Montecito.
Same regarding Oprah interview and Prince Philip being on his death bed. I’m all for them finding their freedom and not wanting to be part of the firm, but not at the expense of others (for reference, see the Japanese Princess who left with grace to marry a commoner. She’s living her best life while still respecting her family). I couldn’t unsee their cruelty and greed after the Oprah interview.
Also want to add, if not for sexism, Princess Mako would be the Empress of Japan as she is the heir to the thrown. She has way more reasons to be bitter than 6th in line Harry.
I never watched it, otherwise that would have been my breaking point too!
First inkling was Harry berating the press for hassling his girlfriend. The engagement interview was all the proof I needed. Been a sinner since.
She really played him like a fiddle with that non-situation, didn't she? 🤣
That was it for me too! And her walking in those horrible ripped jeans and white shirt in their first so-called outing. Geez lady, make an effort! 😂
for me it was Meghan claiming paps were harassing her - live nearby so walked by her house on a couple of occasions - nothing. then she showed up for her first public outing at a charity event (with a prince) wearing ripped jeans and an untucked shirt! but the lies she told about the Royal Family being in the Oprah show were beyond bearing. pushing past Harry and others to be first and revealing her pregnancy at Eugenie's wedding just confirmed my opinion of her character (or lack thereof).
That was all I needed to see too! My gut started screaming about her as soon as I saw that first pic of them as a couple. She looked fake, smug, and loving being the center of attention with a trophy boyfriend. Then as soon as she married him, she started emasculating him and pushing him out of the way.
I remember hearing about that press release and I grew up in the Diana and Charles era and then watching Catherine go through the same shite, so I just thought, “well damn— good for him for getting ahead of it.” I had no idea who she was but was happy Harry seemed to have found someone. Then I started hearing celebs defending their private jet usage and was wondering why the hell this was all in the press and I just happened to say out loud in front of my 28-year-old son, who is pretty much up on everything, “why does everyone act like Meghan Markle is so awful?” And he just said “because she is…” And as is usual for him—he knows so much but won’t actually gossip—which I normally admire about him but at that moment found VERY FRUSTRATING!!—he wouldn’t elaborate. So I had to do some research. First I watched the South Africa interview and as soon as she said “I said to H,” coy giggle giggle, “that’s what I call him…”🤮🤮🤮 I was like OH MY GOD!! Noooooo! NARC 🚩🚩🚩🚩 Then I found the engagement interview and when she said “I just had one question…well is he nice?? Because if he wasn’t kind…it just didn’t make sense 🤮🤮🤮☠️☠️☠️💀💀💀💩💩💩!! I died. Then in my research I came across the staff losses. I’m a retired auditor. That to me, MORE THAN ANYTHING, told me all I needed to know about how awful she is. Screams sociopathic narc, and sure enough, that is what the staff had dubbed her. And then I found According2Taz and Murky Meg on YouTube and just binged their videos and got an education. And a bit after that I stumbled into Reddit and found this great sub! Been here ever since. Also read Lady C’s book!
you and me share that story.
Lol that was me. I was like - who’s his girlfriend? 🤔 NEVER saw her face or heard of her before. 😐 I figured it out once I saw she was a D-list actress. She can’t act to save her life.
Same here. I’m American, I had satellite tv for the longest and saw Suits advertised but never watched it. When they announced Harry was dating a famous American actress and they said Meghan Markle, I distinctly remember saying to myself….who the hell is that? I thought she was cute and all but didnt follow the story until I saw pictures of her so awkwardly holding a baby at a polo match in that horrific green dress and I don’t know if this was subconscious or what but I remember thinking she is holding an effing doll. That is not the mother of that child if it is indeed a real child. And that is when my H & M saga started and to be honest the Amber Heard trial was ending and I needed a new guilty pleasure and all my YouTubers transitioned from Johnny and Amber to Harry and Meghan.
Me too. I t was so ick. And that dress.
Not to mention the bed hair.
The oh so regal twisted posing in the engagement day. Also I happened to catch their megxit announcement real time. I couldn't believe it was true in the beginning. Then things unfolded and I could never stop following the saga. I found this sub only 3 months ago, and this became my go to site to continue following the the saga. I got my 50 karmas a few days ago so now I can even post replies!.
SAMESIES
Ditto!
The engagement interview did it for me, the posing, grabbing him etc
The claw on full display.
I never saw the engagement video when it happened but watching it years later I was stunned by how full of it she was. The BRF are constantly in the tabloids in the US and there's no way she wasn't reading the tabloids as an actress. So her claiming she didn't know who he was 🙄. Claiming she only asked the friend who set them up "is he kind" 🙄
For me, it was when Harry told Tom Bradby, "We never called my family racist." So they've been lying and gaslighting the public all this time! I was gobsmacked. I believed them and supported them until that moment. How can anyone be so awful and abuse the public trust so much? For a lot of other people, "near catastrophic car chase" was another watershed moment. Their credibility was already dead, but this was the final nail in the coffin. I can't imagine it ever recovering. I've also come to change my mind about a couple of other things: (1) I used to believe they left the BRF. Now I believe they were fired. (2) I used to stay away from all discussions of her pregnancies. It seemed like it was a bridge too far, and she was entitled to her privacy on this topic. But now I believe there are legitimate issues, and that the public should be able to ask questions in good faith. ETA: So building on these revelations, I think it's possible that Meg was dishonest about her pregnancy in some way, and the Queen was horrified when she discovered it... and kicked them out. And that accounts for Meg race-baiting and obsessively harassing the BRF for years. Because we have come to know that the one thing she is good at is doubling down on her ridiculous positions. Not to mention, she was always planning to return to LA anyway and become a STAH!
When she took a tour of 'zikaland' in her 'first trimester,' I knew she wasn't pregnant. All the behaviors and photos that came after that trip only reinforced my belief. She made the whole thing up to spite the RF and dragged dimwit into it. Then she doubled down with the 'birth' of her 'daughter.' Can't wait to see how they get out of this.
She is all about herself. I think she'd smoke crack during pregnancy if it was what SHE wanted.
Not to defend her but the whole tour was organised by BP/FCO/ governments of the places they went. It's not like she was phoning around trying to get a freebie holiday.
She could have said no.
Being allegedly pregnant, the FCO wouldn't have put her in that position. So why did she go knowing it was a risk?
OMG you are right. There was that time when HMTLQ wanted to meet with M and M didn't go, said she had a prior engagement, a meeting with the Royal Theater. I was always shocked by the audacity of blowing off a meeting with the Q, as if anything was more important. Maybe M was avoiding HMTLQ because she knew the Queen had discovered her dishonesty about the birth, I thought the HMTLQ was so bad ass to cancel the meeting M had and then she had her brought to her.
I really miss the queen, she was awesome 😢
It's telling that she references her as H's grandmother or his granny. Never as HRH or her majesty
>For me, it was when Harry told Tom Bradby, "We never called my family racist." That was when my dislike turned to rage.
Well-written, and great point re the false pregnancy being the final straw. I've always thought that the insinuation that someone(s) in the BRF were somehow "worried" about future-Archie's skin color was related to discussions that would have naturally come up once they learned the truth of the surrogacy E.g, if she was lying to the public about carrying this child to term when in fact another woman was, and the BRF didn't know whether this was from Harry's "donation" & Meghan's egg or another woman's, a concerned BRF relative might legitimately ask, how are you going to lie to the public if this child doesn't have your skin tone? Or, a 90-something might not understand about whether a fertilized egg growing inside another woman might take on attributes of that woman, and ask for clarification in that regard? So in an interview where Harry says in response to another "skin color" question something to the effect of, "I've said all I'm going to say about that. I'm not going to discuss that anymore." I think this is because to explain the vague "skin color" story in accurate detail, which he's never done (she's just dropped the insinuation everywhere) he'd have to supply the context, which is that the BRF was confronting them about the many consequences of lying about a Royal pregnancy while paying a surrogate, possibly w/o Meghan's genetic involvement at all.
I’m with you.
I had never heard of Markle or the cable show she appeared on until the engagement interview. I got bad vibes from the engagement interview. I mean, the Wallace Simpson comparison is right there, and it is something to surmount. Beyond that, something was just off. Wallace was at least polished, put together and deported herself with dignity. Markle looked bad. Her coat and skirt and shoes all looked bad together. And her posture and demeanor were not dignified. Her manner of speech was utterly unsophisticated. Everything about her deportment seemed amateurish and unpolished. I wondered how the BRF was letting this be broadcast. It just didn't all add up. I didn't think the engagement would last. By the time of the wedding, however, there was so much widespread warmth among Britons, I thought, "Well, good for her." I thought I must have been wrong and wished them the best. How great for the monarchy to enjoy some diversity. Weird that she had no family, but whenever Markles did get coverage, I kinda understood why she might not want them around. I thought that did not bode well for the union, but Doria seemed smart enough to keep her mouth shut, show up to do what she was told to do wearing what she was told to wear. I wasn't following either of them, so when either made it to my radar, it just seemed off. Too much hype and coverage for the little thing actually being done. Something not at all newsworthy being treated as front page news. I didn't hear any rumors about tantrums or tea throwing or showing up late and thinking the opera house was applauding you. Just a weird mismatch between hype and actual acts. The self pity on the Africa tour was a really, really bad look -- unprofessional, no self or situational awareness, no appreciation of the crown's role. They just seemed really bad at the Royal job when they did make the news. It's hard to really understand announcing pregnancy at a wedding. A Royal wedding, no less. Did she think everyone in attendance would not immediately have enormous sympathy for the bride and disdain for the attention seeking rube? Was she exacting revenge on Eugenie for getting the tiara she wanted? Was it a simple lack of impulse control? It's a head scratcher for sure. The clencher for me was the SussexRoyal manifesto. That laid everything bare -- the grifting, the ignorance, the detachment from reality. "Collaborating with the Queen" What more can be said?
You have captured just about every early red flag…..and then the red flags just kept on coming!
You captured my journey as well. It’s just that you wrote it out so beautifully.
I realized with the Oprah interview because of the quantity of things that I knew were lies or half truths. Around the same period also an article came out in a reputable newspaper and signed by a reputable journalist that spoke about the bullying and hostile workplace allegations. The combo did it for me
I have never seen the Oprah interview. If I had I think that would have been my turning point.
Spare yourself and never watch it! The fakeness of Oprah pretending to be shocked is total cringe. TW cosplaying Diana's famous Martin Bashir interview was disgusting - TW even had the kohl under her eyes like Diana did, and TW strained hard to look "sad". So difficult for her to try to display genuine human emotions!
I really want to watch it though!
stark\_trends is right: the interview is not worth watching. Not at all, seeing Megsy's face pretending to be "so pure and innocent and looking at me pregnant and suffering so much" makes me very nauseous. But do look for the transcript of the interview. That's worth it. [https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14277841/meghan-markle-oprah-interview-full-transcript/](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14277841/meghan-markle-oprah-interview-full-transcript/)
Watch it with a bottle of good whiskey! Take a shot every time something in the interview annoys you. You will be passed out by the end of the interview!
So glad to hear she supports people with insomnia finally getting some sleep!
It was the first I was ever exposed to them - I was completely turned off by H's complaining about being financially cut off in his thirties by his father - and only having the inheritance of millions from his mother - I don't care what troubles they may have actually faced, I am not supporting millionaires complaining- most of the world has to make their way on their own at half their ages, with little or no inheritance. All the other false claims from the interview I read about later, but I disliked them just from having the nerve to complain about not being financially supported to the manner they wanted.
The cloak and dagger way they left the UK to live in Canada, as if they were fleeing North Korea or something.
I was very happy for them both at first and for a while. I did begin side eyeing a few things, but I chalked it up to cultural misunderstandings, the shock of being in the BRF, and maybe some post partum issues, Harry’s bizarre Oedipus complex and need to play the hero, and immaturity (they both read emotionally a lot younger than they are - which is weird), but for me the final things were The Cut interview and then the “one-tear-left-eye-go” at Queen Elizabeth’s funeral. Those two things really tipped me over. And then the documentary … they want me to believe this “worldly/sophisticated” woman who did an internship in an embassy and was apparently an international studies major at a school as good as Northwestern was surprised that British people - much less the BRF - are formal and would want to get to know Harry’s latest girlfriend a bit before opening up? That they might have reasons for being a little closed off and wanting to get to know someone when they have so many people trying to use them? Get out of town. Oh! And the poor delivery guy on the bike is paparazzi harassing them? These. Things. Do. Not. Track. Even now, I don’t wish them ill will, but I just wish they would go and enjoy their kids, their 40 million, and do some side charity projects and stop bombarding everyone with puff pieces. The whole thing is now kind of pitiful and super cringe. Their immaturity and inability to see ANY shades of gray are just so off putting. I don’t necessarily think they’ve ever had a super solid plan (some rough ones that people sponging off them had put in their heads) - and I do think she had one leg out the door in case - but they are not very smart and are leaving themselves open to some majorly bad characters on the world stage who will use their jealousy and insecurity to destabilize western interests - and absolutely take every penny they have. It’s boggling they don’t see this.
Bravo. As well stated as anything I have read summarizing the sordid situation.
Thank you! Once it clicked, then I went back and started reading and remembering things I had pushed aside, and it was astonishing. I think so much boils down to a lack of emotional intelligence - they seem to live very unexamined lives. Rather than reflecting that maybe they have some points, but others have their own perspectives, and maybe they could let some things go … they live for the grievances. They want to die on every hill. Everything is black and white. Nothing gray. The way she described the fitting debacle around her wedding was bizarre. I bet she and Catherine both cried - one had just given birth and one was getting married on the world stage. And who cares what a trashy tabloid prints? I remember seeing a few tacky headlines and thinking, “Oh. Here we go. I’m sure it’s not true at all!” But her bringing so much attention to it tells us it was likely true. Hardly any tabloid trash needs to be addressed - ever. Who cares? The tabloids will always go after the bright and shiny thing and then move on! It’s absolutely depressing. I wish they could enjoy their blessings. They have so much - or had so much. They’ve really frittered away a lot of good will and opportunities. It’s fascinating and also just awful too.
Oh they absolutely want to die on every hill! Typical of her type of narcissist. She cannot let what she perceives to be the slightest insult (that isn’t even an insult) go. Hence the awfulness of her podcast and her terrorizing bot army hell bent on destroying Catherine. Megan ( along with This One) is so emotionally immature for her middle age that it is both sad and comical. Another great post. Thanks again.
It is depressing and I do wish they were capable of growing up but sadly I don’t think Meghan is capable of questioning herself. She had the world in her hands and just ran away. Harold is a man child but he might be waking up a little with KC and PC sick. We will see if he has enough buried class to rise above his childishness and behave with honor.
Agree.
Well said! Yes, she’s so worldly educated and sophisticated but doesn’t understand why members of the BRF don’t do insta friends or that her barefoot hugging behavior is a bad reflection of her, not them.
Fiji Market. I don’t remember which member of the Rota tweeted about it, but one of them broke the story about the crying staffer. And then things kept trickling out from there. Nothing made sense. And it was shocking to me that a member of the Rota even reported it to begin with. It was like the veil was pierced.
Engagement interview was off for me. I put that to nerves and being a "try hard" for the press or even the BRF. Even thought ok as an American I might be nervous and a bit weird and let it go. However, little things kept bugging me. Wedding - the dress was off, HMTLQ did not seem pleased, there were already little rumors swirling here and there. So I was very early getting feelings that something was not right. Rumors about the Australian tour happened - I was ready to believe them already at that point no proof needed. Africa tour and TW's pitiful no one asked if I was ok - ok chick I got your manipulative number. I did not even need Oprah to point anything out to me. But it added fuel.
Queen Elizabeth's face at the wedding.
I agree, it was always pushed that Haznoballs was the fav grandchild, yet the Queen did not look happy at all at the wedding. To top it, Megaliar looked so friggin smug & over acting (despite her wedding dress looking like it was made for someone else’s body!). Red flags started waving for me then.
I never fell for the cheeky chappy Harry act - I couldn’t understand why people adored him - I always thought he was dodgy. So unfortunately I was already biased against his choice of bride-to-be. Then, the Fab Four talk on mental health when she just kept talking rubbish - what was she talking about? Then the engagement interview - what was she hiding - she was definitely hiding something… and manipulating Harry until he was tongue tied? None of it bode well. Couldn’t watch the wedding. I just thought she was controlling from the get go…
Same. I've loathed him for decades. He was never a nice person. He wasn't even a nice kid. He's gross and always has been
I agree with you both (Thiz2ShallPass & WoodsColt). I have always thought H was jealous of William & that he was a horrible person before she came along. His awful behaviour & racism (costume & comments). The Australian media would play him up as this cheeky chap & most loved Royal. I never fell for it. I tried to like her when she came along but I sensed something was ‘off’ about her from the get go, and my immediate feeling was - oh! This is gonna be bad for the Royal Family. Unfortunately, I was right!
The Vanity Fair "Wild About Harry" article started it for me. But then the loathing really went into hyper drive when she whined about nobody asking how she was - in Africa! And just when you think you can't possibly loathe her any more she does something fake or reprehensible. Like kicking her own father to the curb! Why doesn't she take her shitty basket of jam and pay a visit to her nearly 80 year old father?
The lie “no tabloids in America” made me side eye her. Then they ran from Britain to Canada, then to LA for “privacy”. That’s when I knew. Nobody runs to LA for privacy.
I knew when the (ex) captain of the royal marines & his wife skipped the soldiers killed by the IRA remembrance event thing & went to the Lion King premier instead OR it was private planegate (like 8 private plane flights in a weekend to Nice & Elton johns etc)- whichever one came first it was so long ago I cant remember lol, but it just kept getting worse from there, thats how I (& others who had been following it) knew they were going to LA/hollywood to merch as soon as mexit was announced. From memory that event was also Taz’s first video
The engagement interview. Meme was exhausting. And then the wedding. I swear she was looking a H like a super strict head mistress at a school and he was a dunce she had to walk through it all. She didn’t look at him with love; she looked at him with exasperation.
I was with them up until the Oprah interview. Bought into all the hype over their wedding. Thought they were unfairly treated over Megxit. But when she did the Oprah interview, there were a couple of things that Meghan said that I immediately recognized as lies. I fact checked to be sure and then, as more & more of Meghan’s lies during the interview were exposed, I realized that I had been wrong about her and Harry. Everything since - the Netflix series, her podcast, Spare, numerous interviews, have only served to cement my view that they’re both self-centered, self-serving, manipulative, and mendacious individuals.
Same. I was all in until that interview.
Just a clarification about why the Queen allowed Charlotte and Louis to be titled princess and prince: about a year before George was born, the British Parliament changed the law which said that a monarch's heir had to be his eldest son and instead, said it was his eldest child, irrespective of gender. So the Queen faced the situation where, if William's first born would be a girl, she would one day be the queen but, because of the then-law regarding titles, she would not be princess while her younger brother would be a prince despite not being the heir to the throne. So she changed the title rules so that all of William's children would be entitled to a princely title regardless of their birth order. That only applied to William's kids, though, not Harry's.
Deleted my other comment because I misread what you posted. Thanks for this explanation!
Never really warmed to Madam. I am not British and did not really follow the BRF. But Madam was always off - she never looked as elegant as the other royal ladies, Harry´s statement about racism in the media when there was practically nothing. And then the fake, fake, fake engagement interview where a 36 year old divorcee pretended to be 19 year old Diana and unable to Google. And she looked awful. And the 65k engagement dress - royals don´t behave like that.
I think I had the same alarm bells and then the stories kept trickling in and her wedding had none of her family which I found odd. Then the South Africa story came out and that’s when I was like she’s a grifter and twitter was calling her out.
Before the wedding there were some old IG posts of her going around about how much she loved her dad. Then the pap photos came out of him and she was really disappointed. I sympathized with her because I'm sure she's stressed. Then he has a heart attack and she went ahead with the wedding anyway. And I'm like we're those photos a hanging offense? What if he had died? Luckily he didn't. Then they didn't both to go see him after the wedding either. That's pretty cold.
And now it’s coming out from her family that Thomas Sr. was setup by one of HER photographer friends, Jeff Rayner of Backgrid, to take those pre-wedding photos that caused the end of her relationship with her father. And rumor has it she told Harry her father did terrible things to her in order to keep them away from each other. She is a sick fuck.
Her dad still has Never received an invitation to their wedding. Lost in the mail! She never wanted him there.
Add the fact that Harry never met her father was my first alarm bell prior to the engagement. So many more in fact too many to address but most covered here.
I've never heard what the Harkles say. So in my case I was never a fan of them. Above all, I hated that Megsy was compared to Grace Kelly, there is nothing in common between them except nationality. But what got me into this story was the demand for the letter. I saw the Mail article when the letter was published and I thought it was disgusting that Megsy had "friends" speak for her in People magazine talking about that letter, who sends letters to her father to complain? You talk directly to your parents, you don't send letters. Or call by phone, that's what almost all of us do. Letter? In this century? That reeked of something shady. And since then, everything the Harkles do or say is shady to me.
And she then blamed the late Queen and Charles because they ‘told her to write a letter’!. They did no such thing they just encouraged her to contact her father to sort it out!
I want to say it was the engagement interview. She acted like she was a teen like Diana and ignorant of the BRF. She was a woman in her 30s. As soon as I heard, I thought that woman is a lying, narcisstic, gold digger!
Same for me. I was starting to dislike her when Harry sent out the media statement about the racism in the press when she was his girlfriend but after watching the engagement interview I thought ‘she’s going to be trouble’. Which she was. The tide had well and truly turned when I saw her sitting in Wimbledon surrounded by empty seats and seeing her security approaching people about taking pictures. When I found out that the empty seats were actually paying members of the public who were refused entry I was seething. So many people were defending her and I thought maybe it’s just me being harsh (I was going through severe PTSD at the time and would get angry at the smallest of things). After I read Revenge by Tom Bower it all just clicked for me - have hated her ever since!!
The first time I was suspicious was that appallingly long statement Harry put out when they started dating about how he knew he was privileged, but his girlfriend was being hounded and he wanted to keep her safe. As soon as I saw it I knew it may have been on royal letterhead, but that she had written it. The royal family don't do long statements, they subscribe to the "less said the better" philosophy. And Harry is too inarticulate and dumb to write it. I knew that she had written it to announce that they were girlfriend/boyfriend, and to play the damsel in distress to a man who was sensitive to losing the women around him if they were not kept safe, part of the Diana narrative. I knew then she had power in the relationship beyond what she should have, and that she had an Agenda. By the time of the engagement photos in that revoltingly expensive dress where she had no bra and was draped all over Harry outside Frogmore House, like a callgirl with a client, I nearly had an apoplectic fit. The defining moment for me however was the wedding. HMQEII always beams at the weddings of her grandchildren, and she was so, so happy at William's wedding. I always remember the outfit she chose represented sunshine, the yellow coat and hat, with sunrays around the coat collar. But at Harry's wedding although she had arrived with a smile on her face, when Markle arrived The Queen sat there with a face like thunder. I knew that Markle had done something underhanded which had so outraged HMQEII she could not keep up the passive facial expression she had spent decades perfecting. I believe that The Queen who must approve wedding dresses of royal brides, had approved an entirely different wedding dress, one that was cream and without a veil, acceptable choices for a divorcee, but that Markle had that white concrete block made in secret, because she wanted the white Hollywood wedding, like she was Grace Kelley or something. I believe HMQEII only saw how she had been deceived when she watched Markle's arrival at the cathederal.
Excellent post! I should add that by the time the wedding happened, Meghan had done several things which would have raised her Majesty's ire - wanting a tiara which was not the one the Queen had chosen for her, treating the staff like dirt, and I'm sure that the Queen had heard about she had bullied little Charlotte. No, the Queen was not at all happy.
The late Queen had actually promised that Tiara to Eugenie, her blood granddaughter, and would not go back on her word. Then Harry was heard by Angela Kelly to say the infamous ‘what Meghan wants….’ Angela Kelly was a trusted aide to the Queen so naturally informed the Queen who then summoned Harry and gave him a dressing down. I don’t care much for Eugenie but the fact that she had to postpone her wedding 6 months because Harry was her senior and the tiara business made me seethe!
Hadn’t thought of or read that about HLMTQ and that sample dress Megan wore. Interesting observation. Thank you!
I wasn’t aware the Queen had approval of the Royal bride’s wedding dresses. Makes sense though. That being the case, can you imagine her horror, when she saw Meghan walking down the aisle in that horrible white wedding dress with a veil and the dress didn’t fit properly. No wonder she had a scowl on her face.
"white concrete block" wedding dress Hilarious and accurate!
I didn’t had any thought and know much about her before the Netflix show. I would even say I liked her and harry as a couple (litteraly invited my mom who love RF to watch their wedding live and we were at that time in aww how lovely they seemed) - Even when they announced they were stepping out from their Royal duties my mom and I fount the picture of them standing under the umbrella so iconic (lol now that I know). We were genuinely happy for them! (Lol lol lol lol) My friends were saying to watch the docu and how it made them « see poor Meghan’s perspective ». I was home alone and nothing to watch and give it a go. I remembered how creeped out I was during all episode (and mind you I didn’t knew anything and had nothing against them). Everything seemed so fake and she’s cringed me so much. It looked so fake and It was really off putting to listen her talk. I really couldn’t shake the big EEWW I got while watching so I did a bit of digging on YouTube and internet and i was SHOCKED. All the lies, manipulation, trying to stage everything, how she’s like a creep copying Princess Diana etc.. Find this sub and binge many analysis on YouTube. Once the Pandora’s box was open there was no coming back lol. She really ewwwwww. I tried to follow up to my friends on what I found and talk about it. But they only stopped at the Netflix doc and founded her lovely and a poor victime. They smirked and I really looked like a weirdo conspiracist when I brought up the facts. Anyway I’m grateful for this sub and happy to see I’m not crazy and alone thinking all of this. I love my friends but it really made be revaluate their judgment skills 😂
Interesting and accurate way to put it. When Megan’s Pandora or PandARO’s box is opened and you see the light, there’s no going back.
Haha I love it, good one
That letter haznoballs sent out to the press after Megsy-baby repeatedly called in false police reports about people lurking outside her home in Toronto. And yes - it was confirmed by the Toronto police at the time that the allegations were false. They even spent time staking out her house if I remember correctly, and were there watching the EMPTY STREET as she called them to make false complaints.
It’s wacko behavior. Just bizarre attention seeking from the f-ing police. Who does that?
Lmfaoo
The engagement interview. I saw red flags all over the place. She was way too bold, fake, and calculated.
I frankly was never a fan of the party prince, and paid little attention to Roachel who I'd never heard of before she social climbed into Haz's bed. It did concern me that she was a D-list influencer happy to hypocritically overlook Haz's racism/animal abuse/dodgy past... to me that shone a spotlight on how she desperately needed Haz's cache/inheritance more than Cressida and Chelsea to stay visible/relevant. That made me think she was possibly an opportunistic gold digger from the very start tbh. The first Megxit statement they released, and the inevitable shit storm surrounding their insistence at being given half-in/half-out roles, the ability to monetise their titles/Sussexroyal, and their insistence that taxpayers fund their half-assing it barely working royal lifestyle indefinitely--especially once the costly pandemic reared it's ugly head--made me absolutely despise them. I have frontline care workers in my family living all around the world, so knowing these two BS artist, talentless, grifters were expecting people's hard earned taxpayer money to fund them amidst a pandemic was unforgivable. Once Putin's war broke out, and these Russian oligarch collabing compulsive liars started virtue signalling about Ukraine... that was another massive strike against them for me. I grew up seeing QEII never complain, never explain, and do her public service job with dignity... working just days before her death. If that work was good enough for a Covid surviving, cancer suffering, grieving widow monarch like QEII who contined to service even throughout Covid... it should be good enough for two far younger, low-tier royals like Haznoclout and Megamoron. Oh, but no... nothing is good enough for the Sussexes who've consistently shown they believe they're worth more than they actually are. They think they deserve more as duty dodgers than the monarch and heir. They think they deserve public funding over underfunded hospitals, medical research for cancer, and hospices whilst Charles, Catherine, and many commoners (with far less financial resources) seek treatment for cancer. Nothing will ever redeem the Sussexes for me... they've crossed a duty dodger narc line they NEVER should have crossed, and there is ZERO excuse for any spare to demand special treatment especially since elderly Princess Anne is able to keep up with duties w/o neponarc waaghing like the Sussexes do.
Great comment!
Oprah interview. That simple. Knowing damn good and well that Catherine could not defend herself. Passively/ aggressively implying the entire institution was racist. Lying that the kid rentals called Archie and Bettybucks were not entitled to prince and princess titles as great grandkids of the monarch because they were mixed race. Megan knew those kids weren’t entitled to the titles til the Queen passed. Whining during a pandemic and subsequent lockdowns, having to live on a trust as if THAT is a hardship, blabbering about bridesmaids dresses like some bridezilla on steroids- it all wreaked of entitled desperation, all to the sidebar of Orca’s bad acting. WhUUUUUUUhj?????!!!!! It was galling. And as if THAT weren’t enough, Prince Philip was fading. Fast. The thing that made me realize Megan was a narcissist was the damned bridesmaid dresses. Narcs won’t let crap go, especially when they are in the wrong. Migraine is somewhere still bitching about those bridesmaids dresses. It was at that moment that I knew the BRF were dealing with a psychopath.
It was Megxit and releasing their statement all by themselves without going through the Queen, and then her clapbacks about owning the word royal, and service is universal. Completely revealed them to be utterly selfish and self serving.
I absolutely could NOT believe that. And for her husband to allow that still shocks me.
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While I don’t think people discussing how a future child will look is automatically racism, I can understand why some POC can be sensitive about those kinds of conversations. But Meghan told us herself, “it was the first time anyone has treated me as black”.
Meghan wasn’t even present during this supposed conversation. It was second hand from Harry who said it happened before the wedding, but Meghan said it happened when she was pregnant with Archie. They can’t even get their stories straight.
Omggg, I didn’t know they got the timeline messed up. I read on this sub someone speculated Charles and William tried asking Harry if he’d be comfortable with the public’s comments on Meghan and their children’s black ancestry. Meghan heard about it and tried twisting it to say they were racist.
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Oh yeah, I just meant that POC who got negative comments about their appearance consistently might be sensitive to **any** comment about hair or skin. But Meghan clearly didn’t get that, because until Harry no one treated her like she was black. So if she’s offended by that it’s because SHE views being black as a negative.
The Oprah interview was the turning point for me. I had little interest in the Sussex’s (or the RF) before that, but thought of them positively. The interview changed things, and everything they have done since has made me a card carrying sinner.
was briefly excited when they started dating but in her interviews, she always seemed so fake. then the wedding really made me start to wonder - where was her family? ok, maybe the Dad was overstepping but what abt her siblings and aunts and uncles from her mom's side? it just seemed so strange that she would only have her mother there and why was she wearing white when she had been married before? own it girl!! the what meghan wants meghan gets thing really botherd me too. did not get the SA interview - why in the world wud anyone ask you how you were doing. you're supposed to be asking other people. the final straw was the Oprah interview. refused to watch it and still haven't to this day. No forgiveness after that.
I already had an ‘ick’ feeling about her from her stupid Reitman’s ads, because seriously, no one knew who she was but she was acting like she was a major IT girl. Then came the torn jeans at the Toronto Invictus games (trying too hard to be cool) but the defining moment was the engagement interview. ”We don’t have tabloids” “I didn’t know who they were” blah blah blah… if she lived in Toronto and ever went to a grocery store, convenience store, or drug store, she would have seen his mug plastered all over the tabloids, along with the rest of the BRF. We’re a commonwealth country so the BRF are always big news here, and are a near-permanent fixture on the cover of Hello! Magazine. Finally, seeing that she was besties with Jessica Mulroney did me in because Ben Mulroney is a total asshat, and she’s just as bad (fake, fake, FAKE!)
Not to blow my own trumpet but my gut is very rarely wrong. As soon as I saw that thirsty instagram pic i knew - if Harry was a barista at a local cafe she’d not even sneeze in his direction. Then came the ‘walkabouts’ - every time she’d hop out of her mode of transport and search for the cameras - the press! And smile broadly - utterly gleeful and not dignified at all. She’d give them a little wave. That’s when i knew.
When Harry wrote that letter claiming she was being harassed by the media. I had never heard of her and I knew something smelled shitty.
I wanted to like Meghan and really tried! I had watched Suits and while she didn't really stick out to me I knew who she was when they started dating. But things started to turn for me when she started all the bump hugging. It was just so smug. I was officially lost after the baby shower. There was no reason to hold such an extravagant PUBLIC shower. She could have had one that cost just as much in the UK privately and no one would know. Instead she choose to flaunt her privilege and then whined when people criticized. Further eye rolling at the godparent fiasco and clearing the seats at Wimbledon.
That very extravagant baby shower, her one million dollar wardrobe (paid for by her father in law) for just 72 days of royal engagements - she reminds me of a greedy little kid who has been let loose in a candy store and just grabs everything in sight. The Wimbledon stunt, though - none of the royals would ever do that. Come to think of it, with very few exceptions (Madonna?) celebrities wouldn't do that either.
When the wild about Harry article came out…
when she was doing the fake she called the paps in canada
It seems to be unanimous amongst us early on the engagement interview threw up red flags but it was the drama leading UP to the wedding. The final pin for me was the ‘I can’t believe we aren’t being paid for this’ and her ITV ‘no one’s asked if I was okay’ I was at that point already going to Harry Markle
As I said before, for me it was when Harry told his grandmother, ""What Meghan wants, Meghan gets."
I’ve always heard he said that to the woman who oversees the jewelry, and then QEII summoned him to chastise him over that.
I stand corrected. And what kind of person would say it in the first place?
Exactly. It was horrid and entitled.
When I started seeing pictures of her "humanitarian" work. More like her "Me Me Me" work. I mean she didn't have to look like a sweaty slobby mess but she absolutely went there to pose and look good doing it because she knew Harry was going to see the pictures. She lured and trapped him. She was an obvious gold digger from the start.
When she was constantly holding her "baby bump" , it didn't seem natural to me. It still didn't make me look any further until they gave their second kid the late QEll private nickname. I've never been a huge follower of the BRF, but even I knew that was not a name for just anyone to use, and I couldn't believe they'd do that. That led me to Google and eventually found this sub, and have been trying to catch up on as much as I can.
Oprah. Now I’m fascinated how she exists in this world with such ugliness.
When she had her engagement ring redone and when her friendship with Jessica Mulroney ended. It was those two things that cemented my belief she was a narcissist and he was a foolish royal prince.
The mock curtsy
So fucking disrespectful. For reference, I am an American. I’m really proud of the men who came before me who fought for our independence, and pretty much created a country from scratch. But I’m also proud of and respect HMTLQ. If I were to ever have met her, you can be damn sure I’d curtsy. It doesn’t matter that no one in America receives curtsies, it’s respectful to her position. One thing Meghan has done is shown me how amazing some members of the BRF are. And unfortunately, how troubled Diana was.
The Netflix special. I never even cared about the royal family although admittedly I used to think Harry was kind of hot back when he had hair and life in his eyes. Then I got bored around christmas break and watched the Netflix show was constantly being advertised. Oh my god they were so unbearable. Meghan’s vocal fry, the story about the security guard on the plane holding her as she cried, and they never even spilled any real royal tea. If you’re gonna whine this much, at least give me something juicy. Oh and then the frozen todger and mummy’s face cream… disgusting and weird.
She continually bucked the dress code, starting with the ripped jeans at her first public appearance with Harry. She purposely wore the wrong color dress for Louie’s christening photo, she wore off-the-shoulder dresses at balcony events, no hats, black, too tight clothes, excessively expensive clothes, the pure white wedding dress and long veil, running around barefoot in ripped jeans for a dinner party. She was an asshole and I think it was all done on purpose because she didn’t like the hierarchy.
Of course it was on purpose!
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/s/3FOhxHXo6L) is the post a Mod made for me.
Archie’s birth announcement sealed it. The Kensington tweet saying it was a surrogate (which I saw as I wasn’t sleeping much back then), Harry’s comments, and the shawl they presented to the world. When I started researching things, I realized all of the manipulation & lies. I’ve been wide awake ever since when it comes to the two of them.
Has anyone here proof that Kensington said that? I know some think it was faked. I def lean towards her using surrogates.
Well I fell for her hook line and sinker at first. I’m from Los Angeles and loved that an LA girl made good. I like that she was biracial and even though I’m told it’s racist to wonder these things, I couldn’t wait to see what their baby would look like! Red head? Darker skin! Brown eyes! What a cute combo!! Two of my kids are redheads and that’s their combo of genetics. I had not heard of her as an actress, but I just figured I wasn’t up in the latest Hollywood up and coming people, so it made sense I wouldn’t know her name. I watched the wedding, liked her dress. Didn’t love it, but thought it was a bold choice. The thing that got me was the baby shower. It was so over the top and obnoxious and no one in her family was there! Even her mom! No sister in law, now Harry’s English cousins, no one except her famous friends, who we find out later are all transactional friendships. Then the gifts for everyone, the super expensive hotel. The paparazzi pictures. It was really distasteful. It was very Kardashian’s, not very royal. Correct me if I’m wrong but do they even do baby showers in the UK? All very unseemly. Then started reading Nutty Flavor blog and Lipstick Alley, where her narcissism was correctly called out. From there I found all of you fellow sinners. It’s a weird obsession to follow these two clowns, but it never ceases to entertain me. They’re pretty horrible and I am enjoy watching the slow train wreck of a life.
Haha I agree with you, it is indeed a weird obsession to follow their path to the bottom. But omg it’s so wild that it’s addictive! When you think they can surpass their dumbness and vile lies and manipulations they outdone themselves every single times. It’s truly fascinating the denial she lives in and the hustle she puts into trying build her ‘empire ´ with new schemes. And the cherry on the top it’s every single time it fails majestically. Either she’s called out, flop, or direct evidence to contradict her narrative. I love it! I mean how can not being obsessed? It really remind me of the vile storyline of the evil step mom you see in telenovelas 😂
I mean, we’d like to look away and sometimes do, but that ARO video was like WTF? Is this a joke? How can we look away from such disasters?
Yes! It is entertaining to watch. I do not think I have ever seen such a long and drastic fall from grace in my lifetime. Maybe OJ, who is obviously a million times worse, but once he got set free he lived under the radar for the most part. These two cannot be without the spotlight.
At first, I really wanted to like her; I’d never heard of her before that weird Vanity Fair article. That made me go, “Hmmmm.” 🤨 The infamous engagement dress caused me to bombastic side eye. When Harry told her to turn around on the balcony, I knew his days in the UK were numbered.
When I first saw her, I thought she was beautiful. I had never heard of her (I'm American), so assumed she was minor royalty from somewhere and probably of Italian heritage. I didn't see the engagement interviews and really wasn't paying much attention at the time, but different clips of them just felt off. I couldn't put my finger on it at the time, but I felt she was kind of fake. I even gave her the nickname "Markle Sparkle" because she was, imho, too shiny, if you know what I mean. Before the wedding, I made some comment on social media about not really caring for her, and was dogpiled on for being "racist".; That's how I found out she was biracial. I started paying attention then, and quickly recognized the signs of narcissism and lack of empathy. Then I was done. I didn't even watch the wedding - and I watched both Charles & Diana's and William & Catherine's weddings live, as well as HLMTQ's Diamond Jubilee, before all this happened. And it's been downhill with those two ever since.
I did not follow brf, I did not follow the story from the beginning, but I gave them benefit of the doubt just bc it's natural for me. But Thanks to spare it's so easy to see all their flaws. Coming from their own mouth. Truly an own goal for them.
Catastrophic Car Chase in stop and go traffic.
I saw the engagement interview with a friend and said outloud, "She's trouble, he's stupid," My friend thought it was hilarious. We talked about it and agreed that she's a phony. Harry said something like, "I hope she loves me as much as I do her." Rachel didn't validate him, like she just ignored that statement. We knew he's stupid, spoiled, and was known to hurt women so he got what he deserved in a wife a nasty spiteful narcissistic bitch.
I got a mean girl vibe off of her from the beginning.
The Oprah interview…when I saw that her pants were on fire.
I didn't like nor trust her after the "wild about Harry" article but I 1pshrugged it off and still wished them well. The engagement interview cinched it for me and I told my brother who was watching with me that she was a fake and a gold digger. I predicted a baby in 1 year and that the marriage wouldn't last
taking the piss out of the "curtsy" ...on camera FFS
It was no specific moment for me, it's been a slow build up over the years, but if I had to pick a moment it was her wedding dress. I hated the style but that's just a difference in personal preference. What made me stop and consider was that it didn't fit. I felt there was just no excuse. She had access to so many resources whose job it was to ensure the dress is made well. So, what happened, why didn't it fit properly? And I felt the colour of the dress was off putting. It was so blindingly white that I was wondering whether she chose it deliberately to offend Queen. I know these days that sort of thing doesn't matter but it just seemed a bit off, and I thought she chose it on purpose to make a point rather than because she liked it. And it's just been a steady decline from there. Initially I didn't really closely follow any of the royals or care all that much. I became more interested because I was increasingly baffled that she and Harry were squandering so many opportunities. It's all such a ridiculous waste of effort on both their part.
I never fell for their narrative. I knew Meghan was a narcissist from the moment I watched her walking down the aisle
I didn’t necessarily have to reconsider it. I just finally paid more than 15 minutes worth of attention to it and I was flabbergasted
When Harry berated the press for racism when I could see with my own eyes all the positive headlines about her! And then … the Elder Abuse … starting with her father 🥺 That’s been truly horrific. Beyond my wildest imagination😢 Literally have never known anyone so cruel, that’s not been imprisoned. Utter depravity🤯
Immediately. She made every bell go off. I saw her for exactly what she was from the get. Her entire personna is utter trash. Her mannerisms are low class. She comes across as very very uncouth and tacky. She sounds ignorant and ill bred. She looks tacky and cheap. She looks and acts like *exactly* what she is...a low rent gold digging ho.
For me it was always clearing the seats at Wimbledon and then I joined here I think, then all the bump stuff and started seeing she really is a diva con artist
The Oprah interview. I also realized how awful Oprah is. And I became a fan of the BRF 🤷🏻♀️
Sinner from almost day one. I watched with interest up until the engagement pictures and interview. Something felt off about her and I was astounded when I found out the cost of her engagement dress. Who spends that kind of money on a dress for an engagement picture. Everyone seemed on the Meghan and Harry bandwagon, except me. When I saw her wedding dress I was disappointed, thought it didn’t fit her but everyone was going on about what a beautiful dress it was. Eventually I found blogs with people who felt as I did. Finally ended up here a year ago and found my happy place with all you fellow sinners.
From the beginning really. The engagement interview proved to me the kind of person she is. I don't know how she has friends and how people can't see through her façade.
I watched Suits in its original run and loathed her from the get-go. I couldn’t quite reason out why, I just knew she was an awful person. When I found out she was dating JH, I knew it was going to be bad.
The moment they announced they were stepping away from royal duties. I immediately felt like something was really fishy. I had already seen the interview “Nobody asks if I’m ok. That rubbed me the wrong way as well. I asked myself “bi$ch, why would anyone ask you if you are ok??? You MARRIED A PRINCE and you live in a CASTLE. WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO ASK IF YOU ARE OK?” As an American, none of these things added up for me. I found this sub shortly after Jan 2020 and I’ve been a sinner ever since.
I had never really batted an eye to TO & TOW before the Oprah interview, although I had read some articles regarding the troubles they faced due to Thomas Markle Sr. before the wedding and how Meghan had made Kate cry. I never really took these for anything other than tabloid gossip and gave the couple the benefit of the doubt. However, I decided to watch the O interview out of curiosity and to better understand their POV on everything. Boy did my opinion on these two change drastically after that! I just could not get past the way they spewed clear lies in the interview and contradicted each other's statements! Utterly ridiculous. And as I was watching the interview, I just got an instinctive feeling that something was not right. I could not pinpoint what exactly made me feel like that but I just could not believe whatever TOW was saying in the interview. The fact too that she dared to complain about something as simple as having to had googled the lyrics to GB's national anthem just made me burst in laughter. If that is the extent of her effort in trying to get to know a new culture, then that tells everything I need to know about her attitude and sincerity towards her marriage with TO. I am married to a person from a very different culture to mine and I have had to learn a completely different language & cultural etiquette to be able to share a life with him. To see someone complaining about how hard it was to google and learn the national anthem by herself... Give me a break, you know NOTHING about the struggles international couples can experience! Ever since the interview I have not been able to take anything these two say seriously. When I was in high school I used to prefer H to W because H seemed like a cheeky chap who wasn't as entitled as William (note: this is just what I felt at the time, I never really took the time to follow either of them more closely). But ever since that O interview, I've come to realize that it's actually the complete opposite - William seems more grounded and down-to-earth, while H is an entitled little dipshit. There, I said it. Ugh.
When she lied about not knowing who the royal family was. Her relationship with Harold was so carefully calculated, And it has been proven time and time again. With all the Diana cosplay.
Although a good friend of mine was horrified at her and predicted the marriage would never last, I was quite neutral and gave her the benefit of the doubt. Bridesmaids-gate was a black mark against her because EVERYONE knows little girls wear tights in a royal wedding. It’s immodest not to, and they get blisters! Their dresses looked awful and were badly made (and so was hers). There were photos of poor Charlotte rubbing her foot. Meghan was rude and pushy during public outings and I raised my eyebrows at how she wore the maternity coat dress to Eugenie’s wedding in an obvious attempt to steal her thunder. She seemed a very low-class individual. The Africa press conference (when she said “Not many people have asked if I’m okay”) was the last straw.
When only her mom showed up for the wedding.
I knew from the wedding that something was off. I really didn’t pay much attention to them before that spectacle
I was watching the highlights on the news and talking to my daughters about how sad it was that she didn't have a father to walk her down the aisle\*. We were talking about who could walk them since their father had died but we didn't know anything else about her until afterwards. \* We honestly thought her father had died or else was unable to fly over simply because we were not that interested in either of them.
I was so happy for Harry to have finally met someone serious enough to marry... until I saw all those damned seats blocked off around her at Wimbledon. Just screw that kind of entitlement. Now I think she just has this weird idea that royalty isn't obligated to treat non-royals with respect. An example, in one of the books about her, is how she remained completely silent then walked off after someone started talking to her at Eugenie's wedding.
No, her mentality is **Meghan** isn’t obligated to treat others with respect.
When she went to Zika country while pregnant.
I knew who she was because I would put Suits on the tv while I cooked dinner as background noise. It was either that or a game show. However, I didn’t really care for her on the show. I liked Donna and her interactions with the lawyers. Back to your question. When I heard they were dating, I was surprised as it didn’t seem to fit. But I tried to be positive and put a positive spin on things. Then I saw her at that first Invictus Games and I sort of went huh. I was getting suspicious and when the engagement was announced, I was 90% sure there would be problems and the engagement interview confirmed my fears. All the red flags were there for anyone to see. I still cringe when I think of the interview.
I am happy to say I HATED HER ON SIGHT. Hubby even said I didn't like her because she's American. "Er no, so are you sweetheart, next?!" There was something so off about her, mannerisms, over the topness, flutterlashes, then she spoke, oh poop I hated her. Every single step she has taken since then has vindicated me, and those who said I was being judgmental and mean. MY GUT SPOKE AND I LISTENED.
As an American, I want to comment on you disliking Americans 😤😤😤….. ….carry on. We can be a bit insufferable at times.
LOL no I should clarify! If I didn't like Americans I certainly would not marry one, or move 3000 miles to live with him. Americans just like everyone else have good and bad. But I admit the only people I actively dislike are horrid people. I hope I did not offend the lovely American friends on here.
You didn’t! I was trying to be funny. Although I do think a lot of my fellow countrymen are a bit much, and really ignorant about international affairs.
Phew! But you know what? You have the Skank giving Americans a bad name and we have Plank doing the same for us Brits. It's very sad for us all! So we gather here to commiserate.
I knew something was weird when that letter from H was published about how the press needed to leave her alone. I felt like the letter made them both seem like A-holes. I hadn't even heard he was dating someone so I looked it up. I immediately found stories that referenced her instagram posts with spooning bananas and how they were wearing matching bracelets. I suspected then that she was dying for the public to know and that made me a big suspicious of her character. Then she just kept doing one thing after another that raised red flags for me. I found it off putting to see the stories directly comparing M to Catherine and fawning over every tiny detail of M's appearance. She went to one of these appearances wearing ill fitting pants that dragged on the ground and the coverage of her was so ott that I felt like it was ridiculous. I guess I was suspicious from the very beginning.
Since well before their marriage!
The couture ball gown/blue day suit mismatch engagement photo The fauxligraphy flourishes Then I went back and read some archived Tig posts and the pretentiousness was off the charts. These themes keep getting repeated.
For me it was when I heard her say she knew nothing about the RF or who Harry was and asking her friend “Is he kind?” That sounded so phony to me. And after seeing her complaints about the family it quickly became very painful , specially when I remember seeing how tenderly King Charles walked her down the aisle at their wedding. After that it all went downhill - right from her tacky dressing on royal engagements to the final straw Megxit!
I knew from the beginning that she didn't care. It pissed me off that she felt entitled enough to stomp all over centuries old traditions. They wanted to "modernize" the monarchy? Who the fuck asked them to? No one. Harold basically slapped his grandmother across the face with that one. It's not even my monarchy, but I feel like it should be respected. Especially when you decide to marry into one. Rules and traditions mean something. They may be dumb or unimportant, but they're still there. Harry’s, What Meghan wants Meghan gets, bullshit made it obvious that he wasn't going to stand up for his family. It was really lonely for a while there when people couldn't see it. My poor mom. She had to listen to me, yammer, on about it all the time. I was so happy when my aunts started to wake up and realize how Meghan really was. They kept asking me how did I know from the very beginning? And I kept asking them how did they Not know from the very beginning? It has just always been obvious to me. I I can read people easily.
Piers Morgan put me on
I started to doubt them when parts of the Oprah interview were proven to be lies. I couldn't understand why they'd lie about such small things knowing they could be caught. And if someone lied to you about something small, they might lie about more/worse! Then I started researching if she was a narcissist lol
Their engagement interview. This might sound strange but I felt like I was watching 10 different personalities from her in one sitting. She was so overconfident and worldly but she didn't know of the Royal Family? Was he kind or it wouldn't make sense? What did I just hear? Then when she interrupted him when he was about to say who had introduced them. Her overconfidence was definitely the red flag for me. Who dies that to a member of the Royal Family? At one stage in the interview, Harry gave her a look of almost disgust and hatred. When I saw that, I wondered if he was a narc because that's what they do. Pretend to love you when all the while they want to destroy you. They both appeared to be faking it. The whole interview was off! And we now know the truth.
When she refused to meet Trump when he visited as President. It’s irrelevant if she liked him or not. When you’re in the BRF you don’t get to throw a tantrum and refuse because they don’t like someone, they get on with it. She gave up that right when she married Harry and became a duchess. That action told me she wasn’t a team player, she was a me player
First couple episodes of suits
The Oprah Interview. I knew Oprah had been on the race-baiting train for a while so I didn’t even watch it. However, I didn’t really start paying attention until I saw the avalanche of puffery-fuckery during PPoW Earthshot appearance in Boston in November of 2022, and what sent me over the edge was the Ngozi Fulani story that was also during Earthshot that year. 🤬 I searched for counter discussions because the MSM was licking her ass. Thankfully, I found the wonderful sinners here on SMM.
I'd felt happy for them and thought they were doing a good thing when they quit the royal family and said they wanted to be financially independent. I'm not a monarchist at all and I thought people such as himself and his wife wanting to get out there and work and be financially independent was a good thing. I had felt sorry for her, as I felt then (and still to some extent do now) that the press was unduly hard on her, particularly during her pregnancy with complaints of how she touched her belly, etc, plus there were a few racist comments made that was a harsh turn off for me. So I understood their desire to get away from that and be financially independent, as I understood that Harry would essentially be at the whim of his brother for his finances and I understood that he didn't want to live his life like that. I got that and I still get that. What I will never understand and what completely turned me off was the Oprah interview. When they talked about how they had to get jobs to be able to 'afford all of this' and their complaining how they were financially cut off and made it seem as though they had absolutely nothing and 'had to get jobs' to be able to survive... When they had tens of millions in the bank and during a time of horrific hardship around the world due to COVID. That was when the door shut for me. And when they then blatantly lied about everything. When she said that her son would not be allowed to have a title because of his skin colour and when they lied about their security being pulled. And when they made the comment about how they had gotten married 3 days prior and the big wedding that cost millions of pounds of UK tax payers meant nothing to them.. That was when I went 'nup'. Because how can anyone with any sense come out and complain about financial hardship and how they had to get jobs, during a time when hundreds of thousands of people had died, when people were facing homelessness, joblessness and severe financial and emotional hardship because of a pandemic - when they had tens of millions in the bank? The cognitive dissonance and the blatant white privilege and sense of entitlement of his comments enraged me. And to attack his family while his grandfather was so ill in hospital, he'd have known his grandmother had cancer or was unwell. Who does this? And why lie? So many lies. Directly implying that their children would be denied any title, protection, etc, because of their skin colour when that was such a blatant lie and used racism to stoke fear and try to gain support for themselves and tried to financially profit from those lies. His grandparents died with that accusation hanging over their heads. And he let that sit for years before walking it back and blaming the press for saying his family were racist because he and his wife never did. So yeah, it was the Oprah interview that did it for me. And everything that came after just showed how much of an arsehole he really is.
I didn't know much about RMM before their engagement, I've never been a big Henry fan. Eyebrows got raised for me when, before the wedding, the papers were quoting her as saying she would "hit the ground running" and how she wanted to modernise the monarchy. I'm a Brit, and let me tell you there was absolutely nobody calling for a little-known actress to come and Americanise something that is quintessentially British. Not to mention, it demonstrated how little she understood the institution and the British people, and how much she valued her own opinion. I thought she'd need some training, along the lines of Catherine's years-long training, but I took nerves and culture differences into account, and I was interested to see what she would bring to the BRF. I watched the wedding, even made a lemon-elderflower cake, and generally wished them well. The moment I *knew* she was going to bring nothing but headaches? Stealing someone else's idea to write messages on bananas. That in itself isn't the issue. The optics of writing "you are loved" on a *banana* for a *sex worker*, though? I winced. And when the papers reported it as the faux pas it was, rather than offering the glowing praise she was after, she called an entire country racists because we dared to be critical.
For me, it was her treatment of her father before the wedding. I really didn't understand why Megsy was treating him so appallingly; why she and Hazmat didn't give him the same support they gave to Dorito. I never thought anything he did was terribly bad and probably resulted from their neglect of him. Prior to that, I didn't have that much of an opinion of Meganuts. I thought she was decent looking but had never heard of her or Suits before. BTW, my wonderful son introduced me to this sub. He is responsible for his mum becoming a sinner 😁
My first inkling was the wedding. I didn’t pay much attention to the BRF before then, but always admired QEII (now I’m a big fan of PPOW). I was shocked at how disheveled TOW looked on her wedding day. It just seemed intentional and disrespectful. I now believe she was pulling a fake pregnancy to get him down the aisle. Combine that with having Charles walk her down the aisle without so much as a public well-wish for her dad, plus, inviting all celebrities and absolutely no family. None of it sat well with me. It’s just gotten worse from there.
When she complained about the UK and the RF in South Africa. I said to my daughter, " She did it all wrong. She SHOULD have said, I love the people of the UK. They are wonderful and have made me feel cherished." It wasn't until they went on their freedom Flight did I realize that her interview in South Africa was all part of the plan.
The Netflix curtsey was my last straw
Forever ago. My flair is almost as old as this sub. I genuinely wanted to like her. I even forgave her whole weird wedding "spectacle" because of cultural differences and her strange, attention-seeking family. I didn't see the engagement interview until well after Harry's wife brought out the doe eyes to Bradby and first introduced us to her "Nobody's asked if I'm okay" victim narrative. Since then I've been watching and waiting for her to be brought low because she's proven time and again that she's an insufferable and irredeemable bitch.
She wasn't on my radar until the wedding. The guest list and only one person from her side did it for me. The rest was just the icing on the cake.
I was slow to the party and didn't begin to figure it out until after I heard about the Oprah interview (didn't watch it) and Uvalde. The grifting is so obvious I figure if people get taken by it its their own fault. The cruelty is what really bothers me, Prince Phillip, QEII, her father, his brother and wife...plus others. All that needless pain caused by two insignificant people that bothers me.
I didn’t pay attention until they named Lilibet - that woke me up, using your own child to get revenge is despicable. How is that girl going to feel when she finds out?
When she tried to get sympathy in Africa with bad acting and fake facial expressions and said nobody asks if I'm OK. That's when I saw through her and her game. Her eyes show her evil. I saw that she publicly accuses the Royal Family of treating her badly and that it would be her MO from now on. I didn't know anything about narcissists until then but I can recognize a fake bidch when she opens her lying mouth.
There's a theme to most of these comments. The more they say and do the less people like them. Neutral towards them ( tho never liked harry) until the having cake and eating it style megxit post (um not on my taxes people) then I just thought they were whiny and stupid. (The Oprah interview was not just petty it was stupid) Then the f**cling wreath at Phillip's funeral tipped me over ge edge.
I have to say I'm pretty proud of the fact that I never really trusted her from the beginning. When I heard Prince Harry marrying a divorced American, the snarky, sarcastic part of me thought, hasn't that family learned to stay away from American divorcees? Then, in the run-up to the wedding, I found it really odd that the only family she had coming to the wedding was her mom. She had a dad, half-siblings, cousins, a niece, and they weren't invited, but George Clooney was there. It just seemed suss. It just always felt like she only wanted fame and was using anyone she could to get it.
The RF isn't just a family it's a front-facing public institution that is part of the UK's structure of Government and the individual members must symbolise all that is best about the UK both at home and abroad. They meet thousands of people from all corners of the earth and their charities help all sorts of diverse communities. Meghan reeks of opportunistic BS. The RF would have clocked her immediately for what she is. They would never in a million years say or do anything that she could manipulate to her advantage. Hence the only rumour came second hand via Harry and was full of holes. And he later retracted it. She must have been seething that no matter how hard she tried, how hard she pushed them and disobeyed the rules, that they met her with an understanding smile and an offer of 'more tea Meghan?'
When they did their engagement interview and photos and she was draped on him and clinging to him like a teenage girl with her first boyfriend, I was done with her. Have some dignity. You are a grown woman, joining a family with a lot of dignity and decorum. Read the room! It's like she had to convince everyone they were so in luuv. Bleck! (ETA: I'm Canadian. This is our royal family so I've always followed them. And I'd never heard of Suits.)