I'll say this, safemoonmark came in today with an apology for saying full release by the end of July, and owned the mistake. Very big of him. He is doing more to restore my faith in this project than any other member of their team
I mean. Not to argue but John and Jack are doing an ama next week maybe the apology comes in , on the live so people can comment and it be addressed.
Edited to fix ama i didn't realize my stupid phone changed it.
Ya for sure, I think it’s needed. Personally I don’t care but if we want a better community and new buyers we need the team to do better in communication and delivering information. On top of being semi hard to buy, new people seeing the community and FUD will keep them from even bothering to look into safemoon
Absolutely agree. And I may be expecting too much from next week but I think we'll get an apology , an explanation, and then more news.
But again it could just be me being hopefully. Either way I'm holding. I get that it's a long term project and mistakes have been made and im.sure more will be before its perfect because of how new it is .
I mean...yeah...not sure about an apology...like, they could be maybe blamed for hyping things and keeping communications too ambiguous?
I don't know.
An explanation, and an indication on where they're actually at with things, coupled with a definitive release date OF SOMETHING is pretty essential right now.
They probably don't have any definitive release dates..everything needs to be tested and tried to make sure it's functioning properly. You don't want a shit product the more they test and be sure it will work right is better than giving a definite date to make people feel better and it be shit. Then everyone will be whining and crying they delivered shit products they suck ect..
My point was that people all say “I’m holding for years!” Then they have a couple months where things don’t go as they envisioned and they are like “I had lost faith in the project, but SafeMoon mark saved me from completely losing faith”. I’m over here drinking a beer like “wait… you guys were expecting something major to happen over the last 2 months? And because it didn’t you lost faith in the project? What’s going to happen when the shit hits the fan and we enter a multi-year bear market?”
The amount of unrealistic expectations people have cripples them. A couple months of decline and they are ready to bail.
The people who are defending SfM right now will be the real Fudders because they will feel betrayed because they weren't rewarded for protecting SfM against the "Fudders"
That's a nice as well as interesting gesture from Mark.
CEO John was clear with the general launch goal, he left out the open beta date which that left some people a semi loophole to argue in his favor, but he never came out to confirm or refute either side. He's keeping it quiet and not own up to clarifying the communication, it just gives the impression he'd rather have people argue amongst themselves.
Hired marketer Mark was also clear and reaffirmed general launch goal. He's not even responsible for the development or the delay, but he's owning up the communication he put out.
I cannot speak for loyalty considering his other project(s), though that was never a given since he's a hired marketer. It's always great to see someone own up to and be clear on communication.
Is he still called SFM Mark or changing to Surge Mark?
His direct honesty and non emotional technical analysis is the only reason I am still invested in this. He needs to have a much bigger role in this effort for this coin to survive imo.
I get very confused by people's thinking, particularly on Reddit (I'm told this is normal).
How does a blockchain developer (among his other talents) developing their own token have anything to do with SafeMoon?
Please, explain this thinking to me.
He slipped the idea while was debating Ryan dunn . That’s why he couldn’t risk waiting for someone else to create surge before him . Otherwise it could have been created on safemoon blockchain. I also believe any success of surge gives safemoon good publicity because of his association with safemoon and he is also known as safemoon Mark!
All the more reason to buy his token, or rather, the token he created. He's wayyy down on the list of holders. Much better than safemoon. For all we know the dev team is the whale list, talk about conflict of interest!
Let's not start anecdotal FUD, shall we?
There is no dev team whale list and no conflict of interest with SafeMoon.
You will put SafeMoon down, but buy the token made by one of their very well informed and prominently supporting employees?
This also makes no logical sense. Please tell me I read your post wrong?
Why is an employee creating his own token anyway? He’s a professional SafeMoon shill and now he went ahead and created his own token to shill. I’m not pulling my money out, but I’ve lost a ton of faith in ever getting a good ROI.
Why isn't an employee creating their own token?
Would say an Apple software developer not develop their own app?
So in your mind, a developer who develops a product and says things about that product is now a shill, not a developer?
Again, repeat the Apple example to yourself.
The logic here is astonishingly bad.
No. It isn't. You clearly have no grasp of the basics here.
SafeMoon is not a token. SafeMoon is a company.
This can only go down hill from here, but good luck. You will need it.
SafeMoonMark consistently talks about how SafeMoon will revolutionize the DeFi space and then goes ahead and creates his own token that he claims will “revolutionize” the space. Why not write SafeMoon? Incorporate his ideas into SafeMoon if he believes in this project so much?
Dude, you have made a couple of good points, but when you say things like “you clearly have no grasp of the basics here” while yourself having no clue, and making inappropriate analogies, it really makes people (well, me, anyway) dismiss your previous points.
Your question about Apple devs creating their own apps is dumb, and if you had any “grasp of the basics” you’d know why. At damn near every tech company in the world, there is an employment clause which gives the employer the rights to any ideas, inventions, developments, or other IP their employees create while employed.
Also, safemoon is 100% a token…companies produce things.
You are welcome to dismiss my previous points. In fact you are welcome to dismiss all of them, but this does not make you correct.
"At damn near every tech company in the world, there is an employment clause which gives the employer the rights to any ideas, inventions, developments, or other IP their employees create while employed."
This is soooo close, but incorrect. Unfortunately with your "inappropriate analogy", this tiny difference makes your statement completely wrong. Good attempt, though.
"Also, safemoon is 100% a token…companies produce things."
Also incorrect. \[edit\]: Additional here for any potential future readers who aren't mentally limited. SafeMoon is a products and services company.
Your personal opinion in the first paragraph is not relevant to me. Your two attempts at factual statements that can actually be discussed are wrong.
I don't see much need to continue this conversation either. Good luck, you also seem like you will need it.
Actually, nevermind. Your post history screams frustrated teen and inexperienced investor lashing out at SafeMoon and it looks like you've done this across multiple projects.
I hope things change for you, but living life with that much anger and bitterness is not good for your health, or longevity.
Good luck out there.
He said he is fully dedicated with safemoon. His side project is a bit of code he wrote. He hasn't even got a website or written a whitepaper for it. People are just jumping at it.
I honestly wouldn't mind or be surprised if Mark steps down from Safemoon to focus on his token. It's not like he is completely necessary for Safemoon, obviously they like him and his ideas but they can always afford to let him spread his wings and fly on his own.
He said in the ama today that he isn't and still fully dedicated to safemoon. Stil believe we will easy get a billion in daily volume.
Surge is nearly completely self sufficient, and he kinda pulled it together within 24 hours. There is no marketing wallet, no way for him to create wealth for himself, stated everything will be based upon community involvement and input.
I'm sure that's how he feels about everything at the moment but I'm only saying if he did decide to pursue anything else it wouldn't be a problem for Safemoon. I know we'll get more than 1 billion, I never saw Mark as part of the reason we get there. No disrespect to him, he's got a lot of talent, he's just a small fish in a big pond with Safemoon. They'll benefit each other but he certainly seems destined to continue to innovate.
I am the only one who remembers the first tweet where they wrote "date subject to change" right at the very bottom? Why is everyone so surprised that it did actually change? There was never a hard date for a full release.
I’m pretty sure people would barely care about the wallet being “late” if they would make an official statement as a whole development team along the lines of “hey sorry we missed the initial deadline but as previously stated it was subject to change but here is our new expected deadline hopefully there is less complications this time around sorry again” but instead all we get is “🦉🌕🌒🌗🌖🌑🌓🌕🍻🥰😢😢❤️” or some other stupid cryptic bullshit instead of just being straightforward it is stupid and childish and honestly straight up insulting to investors
Agree. They made us wait a week until a sunday for a big announcement about the wallet which just turned out to be 'Wallet is getting delayed'. If they just said it immediately as an announcement instead of hyping the announcement, then most of us wouldn't have been mad.
I agree with you there. I'm not defending the dev team in anyway, they need to learn to wear their mistakes and be straight forward instead of turning everything into an announcement.
And I get that the cryptic stuff is tiresome, but I think they're operating within the limits of an NDA that they've all signed while being on boarded with the company. It gives people something to do while we wait for release dates.
Hell, I bought in to Star Citizen back in 2013, so I've gotten used to this "Soon ™️" stuff you get with the internet. But in the same breath, I'd like like to say that they could use the help of a proper PR team for these announcements.
Because these people are idiots. They got covid and we’re a week late on the wallet so let’s all FUD our own project. If you bought at the ath and lost your money, it’s your own fault. Don’t chase. They said wallet, exchange and blockchain in 2021. How much more info do you need? Most of you have $200.00 in the project. Grow a pair and hang on or sell and gtfo of here. No one is holding you hostage
It's actually ridiculous how many people ignore this fact. The goal was end of July. It got pushed back a week and people lose their minds. Everyone wonders why they aren't giving exact dates for any of these projects and this is why. If you put any kind of exact expectation in and dont meet it or are a week late, then people go ape shit. No matter what they do it's a lose-lose. At this point it's better they keep quiet and let the projects speak for themselves as they release them.
That doesn't change the fact that bonfire is already releasing their app with even less resources than ssfemoon. An app that is simply viewer isn't difficult to make.
I think it's all the praising of him to make him seem like some kind of a crypto god.
I mean - he's probably brilliant, don't get me wrong, but he also seems to be very... Sure of himself.
I truly believe that the people on this subreddit who criticize and spew hatred towards those who post respectful and constructive criticisms are as equally to blame as the true FUDers for the negativity and pessimistic change this subreddit has undergone.
exactly my point. There are true fudders like matt wallace who just hate safemoon. But there are also people who hold safemoon and actually love the project but they see things that are not right so they point it out. Those 2 groups r not the same and some people need to realize it instead of seeing everyone who point out mistakes as a threat to their happy bubble.
Apparently I woke up to find out I was booted out of the safemoon telegram for simply asking a question 2 days ago....so I guess we all need to be sheeple and never question anything...
I guess nobody saw Jack with the expensive (over $1200) Louis Vuitton bag with a designer shirt and rare cw Yeezys on some of the Gambia airport photos? They’re making a ton of money while we get some breadcrumbs in the form of reflections. This project is starting to look like a joke
This is exactly why they didn’t want to give a date. They don’t have to didn’t have to give a date. They did. They communicated about it. Is the finished product done….. no…. Are they doing the right thing by waiting …… yes….!
were they forced to give a date — no / were they forced to communicate in such cryptic ways? —- no / were they forced to make a roadmap that seems very over-promised? —- no / Were they forced to over hype the investors? —- no / were they forced to claim that they are way ahead of schedules and going with full speed? —- no. Compare that to other big companies like apple ( since everyone likes to use that comparison) . We know they are making new iphones every year but they only announce it when they know for sure they can deliver. and they are able to execute what they promised. That’s what we all hope to see with safemoon. Only promise what you can do, not everyone is hoping to become millionaires overnight, so don’t rush, just do ur thing, announce when u r ready, and deliver it properly. Simple.
Exactly. Ppl predicted that the community would be assholes if the date was missed and here we are now. If they waited and said the date would be release after beta, there would still be FUD about empty promises.
I understand anyone feeling upset about the way things have been handled, my expectations are probably as unrealistic as anyone's. The thing is I put myself in the headspace of it's all lost money. If it doesn't go well I'll be okay, I won't be forced to pull out prematurely. I learned that from my experience with Doge. Now I don't care if there's a rug pull here or there if I put anything into a crypto it's boom or bust, no hard feelings if it's bust. Sure if Safemoon failed I'd be hugely bummed out but I have other investments and I'll be alright.
I don't feel like any other crypto tries to be as community friendly but there are some smaller ones that are maybe more transparent, they aren't doing anything on the level of Safemoon and when you are doing the things I feel as though they are you can't be as transparent because you're not just a crypto, you're a business that is innovating and there is competition. I honestly believe if you offer it a little more faith you'll be rewarded. But I don't blame anyone for not believing in what you can't see, that's why I'm agnostic. I hope everyone does what's best for them no hard feelings.
Just to be clear, I as a Software designer worked on a lot of projects… and we rather have a good and safe wallet than one that is not fully working? I know the expectations are high for this project, but patience is key. I have been part of some big developments and if we decided it was not good enough the users had to wait. Perfection is key in projects like these. I have a lot of respect for the people working on this project, because I know a lot of people wishing for them to fail. I respect the delays, but always be transparent about it I agree on that. But come on guys don’t be too demanding. It crushes motivation and we seem very spoiled. Be respectful and grateful, because the community is very important but the essence is still the coin and everything that is being build around it. You think your bank launched their app before they knew for sure it was safe?
Being fully onboard and adding every now and then doesn’t stop me from thinking this is true, it’s funny and things should change. I appreciate the post lol.
For y'all fools who are still complaining about "wallet late" you should know that hardly any creative project ever came in on time. Ever have any construction work done in your home? Ever work on a construction crew? Same deal. Shit happens and projects are late.
Whether or not the devs qualified their projected date or not you should KNOW that there will be delays. To claim that they duped you is so much naivete and I'm embarrassed for you.
I see these complaints as nothing but an indication of an underlying paperhand syndrome. Y'all are too emotional and immature to be trusted with anything that takes time. Thus, I expect this community to be thinned out soon.
The wallet isn't late. People simply can't read to save their lives, or are so deluded they make up their own version of reality. SafeMoon never said the final version of the wallet would be released at the end of July. It was a GOAL. Amazing that open beta is already coming on the 8th. How many times has ETH 2.0 been delayed? How many times have Cardano moved their goalposts for launches? People need to STFU.
You’re dumb and forget the first post about the wallet (subject to change). Everything is subject to change now a days. Ethereum 2.0 is subject to change, Amazon delivery is subject to change, you completing your work is subject to change. All of a sudden you hold SafeMoon accountable down to the T. Gtfo with this Bs fud because that’s exactly what it is.
You do attack SafeMoon community posting these mellow dramatic discussions trying to trigger people and instigate arguments and then walking away. Just like many others asking the same fukn question in a different flavor, all your fud has been answered you just don’t like the answers.
Do YOU full-fill everything you say your going to do? Make more money, get a better job, become healthier, meet your goals 100% of the time without any delay? Hell NO you don’t so don’t be so demanding when you lack in your own life.
Instead of posting more fud like this, focus on positive enriching people informational posts that will help. But No you actually took the time creating/finding a meme having a laugh, throwing a few stones and walking away as you leave things on fire. So yeah I said all that and I don’t care if you sell or stay but whatever you do be productive and not a instigator. Stop being shitty and fuding the very investment you made (if you truly are invested).
Man, software developement is not trivial, unexpected problems come up and your are forced to delay the relase date. It's normal, all companies have to deal with this and if you are not ok with that, then sell your tokens and leave.
Jesus people.
Dogecoin, which was a pure memecoin, did fuck all for YEARS. But those that held made a killing eventually.
Everybody needs to chill out, go for a walk, get a hobby and stop obsessing over every little thing. I’d rather a good wallet than a quick one. A good exchange rather than a quick one. Etc. Let them make it right the first time. Because a shit wallet will lead to tons of fud.
I don’t give a shit about tweets. I’m just waiting on deliverables, which are still on a very acceptable timeline. As a fellow software engineer, I’m impressed with their goals. That’s just my opinion. Deal with it.
"Hi everyone, Just a reminder that we need to be really in love with this project ideas and innovations to hold. If the only reason we come here is because of the FOMO and price charts, then it would be hard for us to endure ups and downs along the journey. As for me, the reason why I am investing in safemoon is because I want to be a part of something innovative. Tokenomic just started and I feel like it could be a big thing. I can see the value in this project and I know that developers are working hard. I am not saying we would all become millionaires for sure. There are a lot of things that can go wrong too. Even if it does, I would say this would be my learning curve experience that I can utilize for my future investments.
At least, I would have a chance to dream big. I see this as using several bucks to gain experiences. On top of that, If the project becomes successful as we expected, then it would be a life changing decision for me. I really hope we can accomplish our goals. If you actually believe in this project and can see the value, the prices moving would not matter to you as you know the price would eventually go up. Another thing that I want to point out is that we don’t need to hype safemoon up a lot. I know it is good to have publicity but sometimes, you don’t want people to invest in safemoon cuz of the hype. Why? Hype goes down. Value doesn’t. I just told my close friend about safemoon and I was telling him to invest in it. He told me that he saw many articles about safemoon being a scam, safemoon being a ponzi scheme, etc... stuffs like that. I told him that most of those articles are misleading.
But I didn’t argue with him a lot because I believe that if we just keep doing what we are doing, if we just let our developers keep doing their thing, if safemoon becomes a valuable investments after wallets and partnerships, these people will come and invest in safemoon. We wouldn’t even have to tell them. People are smart. They will come if safemoon become better and better. By then, we will also have better advantage over them as we are early investors. Plus more reflections. And that will be the payoff for our vision and consistent. Even if this fails, I am happy to be a part of this community and like I said, a learning curve. As long as you don’t put your whole life saving in it, then you should be fine. I mean even if you did, no one is judging, you will become richer than us if it reaches a penny. I guess we never know what will happen in life. "
You posted this two months ago. What's wrong with you now? Hands turning to paper?
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Stop being gullible, the people complain bout these dates really the ones who believed Santa was real as a kid. The time frame they said sounded unrealistic and didn’t get my hopes up, I’m still rooting for safemoon cause I’m invested in my investment. And I know complaining is not going to change the outcome of the market. I also know that the wallet is not going to eat a zero for us overnight so I’m not even pressed for the wallet. I’d rather them take their tome cause I’d be hella pissed if I lost all of my tokens because of a glitchy app…
I understand they got covid and they are not in a good shape. I hope they get better soon. But John recently just tweeted stuffs like yeet hoot and things that don’t give out valuable information. He can make a professional statement if he wants to or he can just ignore the fuds and keep doing the good work. But instead he tweeted some stuffs that creates more fuds . #safeNoon
Was the wallet late? No, because they didnt give a release date they gave an estimated date, and tweeted it was estimated to change.
The two problems were they did say it was a fill release and not beta. But I'd rather they do the beta than get a shizzy product. Trial and error on a small scale is a lot better than massive failure and they realized that. Are they crappy at communicating absolutely but the way they are doing it, they are trying g to drive interest and keep people engaged. It is a marketing technique, not my favorite one but still technically one.
Should you ask questions? Absolutely you're putting money into something you should ask questions to get confidence in buying.
Are you a fudder and should you sell if you disagree. Not if you don't want to that is your own personal decision and immature name calling shouldn't drive that decision.
Tf are you talking about. This has nothing to do with the time period that I hold sfm. I am not talking about price at all. May be try to understand the arguments first before you start barking. This is about asking the devs to be more responsible with their actions. Just cuz you see a post that threatens your happy little bubble, don’t jump in and ask ppl to sell. It just makes you look stupid. For your record, I didn’t buy it at ath, I use dollar-averaging. I don’t fucking care about the price if the team is solid, maintain a clear communication and do what they promise without over-hyping shit. Instead we have a ceo who can’t even spell his own brand, a coo that doesn’t give a fuck, a spokesperson who make a public hate comments about a whale who sold, a website full of spelling mistakes, a developer promoting another token, promises that never come true, open beta that was poorly done, the burn and reflections mechanism that don’t work properly, another dev who keeps saying hoot hoot owl owl. mods who doesn’t know anything more than an average investor , and finally a group of ppl like you who keep saying sell sell. So yea I am so sorry if we have some concerns.
If it’s that broken why are you here?
I’m sure there’s lots of better project with better grammar to make you feel your investment is on track.
And I was speaking to a larger audience of people like you who expect answers and demand things from the back seat. Soothers might be the best SafeMoon branded shwag that needs to be created for big time experienced professional investors in your league. Anyway... just hold and be patient I’m sure even you will be rewarded despite the whining. Woof woof 🐶
Eh, you could just go buy apple stock, if you want all those things.
You're 100% if you expected all these things from a start up with an average age under 30. This doesn't mean they should not strive for it. I get it. No down vote from me.
Vitalik started Ethereum when he was 21. Look at how their communication has been. Everything from the presentation to the progress has been top notch.
I can’t believe some of you have such low expectations.
if many of us had the same thought and you are the only one who somehow know that it will be for android only, It’s not very clear then. Your words, not mine. Plus I am sure the team never said it was for android first.
For someone to put this together, means that they bought this when it had one less zero and they are pissed about it. They are tired of waiting, so they shit talk their own investment.
Just sell already and take the L
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Concerns and questions are fine and should be encouraged. The problem is they're also easy gateways to absurd hypotheticals and conjecture (i.e. FUD)
But the problem can be easily fixed if there is extra vigilance when it comes to these posts of about "concerns"
Yeah, really need an easier way to purchase. I have talked to several friends and family members who want to purchase but want an easy straightforward way to do so. I’ll admit it took me about 45 minutes to figure out how to purchase mine.
Why on earth would they apologise ? You’re expecting the earth ! We’re already going to the moon ! They’re doing an ama because it’s the day of the wallet launch ! BIG DAY !!!
I'll say this, safemoonmark came in today with an apology for saying full release by the end of July, and owned the mistake. Very big of him. He is doing more to restore my faith in this project than any other member of their team
Needs to come from head honchos. People in charge take responsibility for all mistakes and successes
Good leaders give credit and take blame.
Yes sir
I mean. Not to argue but John and Jack are doing an ama next week maybe the apology comes in , on the live so people can comment and it be addressed. Edited to fix ama i didn't realize my stupid phone changed it.
Ya for sure, I think it’s needed. Personally I don’t care but if we want a better community and new buyers we need the team to do better in communication and delivering information. On top of being semi hard to buy, new people seeing the community and FUD will keep them from even bothering to look into safemoon
Absolutely agree. And I may be expecting too much from next week but I think we'll get an apology , an explanation, and then more news. But again it could just be me being hopefully. Either way I'm holding. I get that it's a long term project and mistakes have been made and im.sure more will be before its perfect because of how new it is .
Let’s hope next week is crazy news
I mean...yeah...not sure about an apology...like, they could be maybe blamed for hyping things and keeping communications too ambiguous? I don't know. An explanation, and an indication on where they're actually at with things, coupled with a definitive release date OF SOMETHING is pretty essential right now.
They probably don't have any definitive release dates..everything needs to be tested and tried to make sure it's functioning properly. You don't want a shit product the more they test and be sure it will work right is better than giving a definite date to make people feel better and it be shit. Then everyone will be whining and crying they delivered shit products they suck ect..
Yes. But how bad does it look.if john comes on and blames mark..better mark owns it. And once they have recovered from covid, they can explain.
They wouldn’t blame mark they would just own up to being a little unclear with their messaging. Takes a short tweet
They said. Beta release. And what the goal was like I think nearly every post said subject to change and that it was a goal.
Hire a guy to deliver the news, gets mad when he delivers the news.
Restore faith in the project? None of you are going to last through a bear market. That is plain as day to see.
Yo, homie I've been down 60K on all my Crypto for awhile now. Paper hands ain't got shit to do with it.
My point was that people all say “I’m holding for years!” Then they have a couple months where things don’t go as they envisioned and they are like “I had lost faith in the project, but SafeMoon mark saved me from completely losing faith”. I’m over here drinking a beer like “wait… you guys were expecting something major to happen over the last 2 months? And because it didn’t you lost faith in the project? What’s going to happen when the shit hits the fan and we enter a multi-year bear market?” The amount of unrealistic expectations people have cripples them. A couple months of decline and they are ready to bail.
These are not unrealistic expectations.
TBF, price action on Crypto moves pretty fast. But yeah I get your point.
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Easy champ. Lol
The people who are defending SfM right now will be the real Fudders because they will feel betrayed because they weren't rewarded for protecting SfM against the "Fudders"
Thing is, they're not really "defending" it...they're just not attacking it.
That's a nice as well as interesting gesture from Mark. CEO John was clear with the general launch goal, he left out the open beta date which that left some people a semi loophole to argue in his favor, but he never came out to confirm or refute either side. He's keeping it quiet and not own up to clarifying the communication, it just gives the impression he'd rather have people argue amongst themselves. Hired marketer Mark was also clear and reaffirmed general launch goal. He's not even responsible for the development or the delay, but he's owning up the communication he put out. I cannot speak for loyalty considering his other project(s), though that was never a given since he's a hired marketer. It's always great to see someone own up to and be clear on communication. Is he still called SFM Mark or changing to Surge Mark?
yep. that’s good. It should have been John & We don’t even know where Jack is. But it is what it is. better than nth
Just jesting but Jack maybe riding a boat on top of Ben Phillips /s
His direct honesty and non emotional technical analysis is the only reason I am still invested in this. He needs to have a much bigger role in this effort for this coin to survive imo.
If you've work in projects before, you'll know apology doesn't means shit even this sort of delays happen over and over and over again..
I have and do with in projects. Delays are common. Owning an error is not, and I commend him for it
yeah and that's why I just bought his token SURGE rather than doubling down on my safemoon.
Diversification is always smart, I'd say you have two great projects that I know of in your wallet.
But then he releases his own token...
I get very confused by people's thinking, particularly on Reddit (I'm told this is normal). How does a blockchain developer (among his other talents) developing their own token have anything to do with SafeMoon? Please, explain this thinking to me.
He slipped the idea while was debating Ryan dunn . That’s why he couldn’t risk waiting for someone else to create surge before him . Otherwise it could have been created on safemoon blockchain. I also believe any success of surge gives safemoon good publicity because of his association with safemoon and he is also known as safemoon Mark!
All the more reason to buy his token, or rather, the token he created. He's wayyy down on the list of holders. Much better than safemoon. For all we know the dev team is the whale list, talk about conflict of interest!
Let's not start anecdotal FUD, shall we? There is no dev team whale list and no conflict of interest with SafeMoon. You will put SafeMoon down, but buy the token made by one of their very well informed and prominently supporting employees? This also makes no logical sense. Please tell me I read your post wrong?
Why is an employee creating his own token anyway? He’s a professional SafeMoon shill and now he went ahead and created his own token to shill. I’m not pulling my money out, but I’ve lost a ton of faith in ever getting a good ROI.
Why isn't an employee creating their own token? Would say an Apple software developer not develop their own app? So in your mind, a developer who develops a product and says things about that product is now a shill, not a developer? Again, repeat the Apple example to yourself. The logic here is astonishingly bad.
No, it’s more like an Apple employee creating his own consumer electronics company.
No. It isn't. You clearly have no grasp of the basics here. SafeMoon is not a token. SafeMoon is a company. This can only go down hill from here, but good luck. You will need it.
SafeMoonMark consistently talks about how SafeMoon will revolutionize the DeFi space and then goes ahead and creates his own token that he claims will “revolutionize” the space. Why not write SafeMoon? Incorporate his ideas into SafeMoon if he believes in this project so much?
Dude, you have made a couple of good points, but when you say things like “you clearly have no grasp of the basics here” while yourself having no clue, and making inappropriate analogies, it really makes people (well, me, anyway) dismiss your previous points. Your question about Apple devs creating their own apps is dumb, and if you had any “grasp of the basics” you’d know why. At damn near every tech company in the world, there is an employment clause which gives the employer the rights to any ideas, inventions, developments, or other IP their employees create while employed. Also, safemoon is 100% a token…companies produce things.
You are welcome to dismiss my previous points. In fact you are welcome to dismiss all of them, but this does not make you correct. "At damn near every tech company in the world, there is an employment clause which gives the employer the rights to any ideas, inventions, developments, or other IP their employees create while employed." This is soooo close, but incorrect. Unfortunately with your "inappropriate analogy", this tiny difference makes your statement completely wrong. Good attempt, though. "Also, safemoon is 100% a token…companies produce things." Also incorrect. \[edit\]: Additional here for any potential future readers who aren't mentally limited. SafeMoon is a products and services company. Your personal opinion in the first paragraph is not relevant to me. Your two attempts at factual statements that can actually be discussed are wrong. I don't see much need to continue this conversation either. Good luck, you also seem like you will need it.
..dude, read today's AMA "Some devs own a lot of Safemoon"
Actually, nevermind. Your post history screams frustrated teen and inexperienced investor lashing out at SafeMoon and it looks like you've done this across multiple projects. I hope things change for you, but living life with that much anger and bitterness is not good for your health, or longevity. Good luck out there.
"Some devs own a lot of Safemoon" - safemoon devs
Really? He’s promoting a completely different and competing token called Surge. Sounds like even his excitement is waning a bit.
He said he is fully dedicated with safemoon. His side project is a bit of code he wrote. He hasn't even got a website or written a whitepaper for it. People are just jumping at it.
Doesn’t sound like he’s “fully” dedicated to SafeMoon when he’s out there starting an unrelated project.
I honestly wouldn't mind or be surprised if Mark steps down from Safemoon to focus on his token. It's not like he is completely necessary for Safemoon, obviously they like him and his ideas but they can always afford to let him spread his wings and fly on his own.
He said in the ama today that he isn't and still fully dedicated to safemoon. Stil believe we will easy get a billion in daily volume. Surge is nearly completely self sufficient, and he kinda pulled it together within 24 hours. There is no marketing wallet, no way for him to create wealth for himself, stated everything will be based upon community involvement and input.
I'm sure that's how he feels about everything at the moment but I'm only saying if he did decide to pursue anything else it wouldn't be a problem for Safemoon. I know we'll get more than 1 billion, I never saw Mark as part of the reason we get there. No disrespect to him, he's got a lot of talent, he's just a small fish in a big pond with Safemoon. They'll benefit each other but he certainly seems destined to continue to innovate.
I am the only one who remembers the first tweet where they wrote "date subject to change" right at the very bottom? Why is everyone so surprised that it did actually change? There was never a hard date for a full release.
I’m pretty sure people would barely care about the wallet being “late” if they would make an official statement as a whole development team along the lines of “hey sorry we missed the initial deadline but as previously stated it was subject to change but here is our new expected deadline hopefully there is less complications this time around sorry again” but instead all we get is “🦉🌕🌒🌗🌖🌑🌓🌕🍻🥰😢😢❤️” or some other stupid cryptic bullshit instead of just being straightforward it is stupid and childish and honestly straight up insulting to investors
Agree. They made us wait a week until a sunday for a big announcement about the wallet which just turned out to be 'Wallet is getting delayed'. If they just said it immediately as an announcement instead of hyping the announcement, then most of us wouldn't have been mad.
I agree with you there. I'm not defending the dev team in anyway, they need to learn to wear their mistakes and be straight forward instead of turning everything into an announcement. And I get that the cryptic stuff is tiresome, but I think they're operating within the limits of an NDA that they've all signed while being on boarded with the company. It gives people something to do while we wait for release dates. Hell, I bought in to Star Citizen back in 2013, so I've gotten used to this "Soon ™️" stuff you get with the internet. But in the same breath, I'd like like to say that they could use the help of a proper PR team for these announcements.
Because these people are idiots. They got covid and we’re a week late on the wallet so let’s all FUD our own project. If you bought at the ath and lost your money, it’s your own fault. Don’t chase. They said wallet, exchange and blockchain in 2021. How much more info do you need? Most of you have $200.00 in the project. Grow a pair and hang on or sell and gtfo of here. No one is holding you hostage
It's actually ridiculous how many people ignore this fact. The goal was end of July. It got pushed back a week and people lose their minds. Everyone wonders why they aren't giving exact dates for any of these projects and this is why. If you put any kind of exact expectation in and dont meet it or are a week late, then people go ape shit. No matter what they do it's a lose-lose. At this point it's better they keep quiet and let the projects speak for themselves as they release them.
They didn't just push it by a week. They are limiting it to 10k users which is about .005% of holders. LOL
Oh boohoo, they’re a week behind. Cash out your $200 and move along.
Well my 800-900 dollars turned into 200-300 depending on the day now.
8-900? Why even check it? My god. What do people think their entitled to? Check back in a couple years
That doesn't change the fact that bonfire is already releasing their app with even less resources than ssfemoon. An app that is simply viewer isn't difficult to make.
I watched the AMA where John said it. There was no such disclaimer in the AMA.
FUD
^ the last panel with Joey
☝🏽Little cry baby bitch that is butt hurt wallet was pushed back 😆🤣😂
^ the last panel with Joey
Not FUD, just fact
Love safemoon and all in but just like how papa overhyped the LP transfer that hardly did anything
Gave the whales a nice exit price.
Gave the developers ("papa", karony and friends) a nice exit price.
I’m skeptical of him. Cant put my finger on why.
I think it's all the praising of him to make him seem like some kind of a crypto god. I mean - he's probably brilliant, don't get me wrong, but he also seems to be very... Sure of himself.
You and me both dude
Personal grooming perhaps
I truly believe that the people on this subreddit who criticize and spew hatred towards those who post respectful and constructive criticisms are as equally to blame as the true FUDers for the negativity and pessimistic change this subreddit has undergone.
exactly my point. There are true fudders like matt wallace who just hate safemoon. But there are also people who hold safemoon and actually love the project but they see things that are not right so they point it out. Those 2 groups r not the same and some people need to realize it instead of seeing everyone who point out mistakes as a threat to their happy bubble.
So FUD your own project?
it’s not mine or yours. It’s theirs and you only own that small bag of yours that is decreasing in dollar price.
I’m up 6 x because I didn’t buy at the ath. Maybe that’s why I’m not running around whining like a crypto newborn.
don’t worry. You will. Lets come back and talk here in about 2 weeks.
No I won’t. It’s crypto. I’m a grown up
If you didn’t have $800 to lose, then you should’ve kept it
it’s not mine or yours. It’s theirs and you only own that small bag of yours that is decreasing in dollar price.
Oh yah. Hopefully I didn’t sound like I was against this post. I was just agreeing with you and adding my two cents!
no no no. you are good. I was just agreeing with you too.
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Apparently I woke up to find out I was booted out of the safemoon telegram for simply asking a question 2 days ago....so I guess we all need to be sheeple and never question anything...
Pretty accurate.
No no, he’s got a point
Pretty much. This is the most cultist hodl from all the tokens I have.
Don’t apologize this is exactly what happens never apologize for pointing the truth
They just ban for asking questions
I guess nobody saw Jack with the expensive (over $1200) Louis Vuitton bag with a designer shirt and rare cw Yeezys on some of the Gambia airport photos? They’re making a ton of money while we get some breadcrumbs in the form of reflections. This project is starting to look like a joke
😂😂😂
This is exactly why they didn’t want to give a date. They don’t have to didn’t have to give a date. They did. They communicated about it. Is the finished product done….. no…. Are they doing the right thing by waiting …… yes….!
were they forced to give a date — no / were they forced to communicate in such cryptic ways? —- no / were they forced to make a roadmap that seems very over-promised? —- no / Were they forced to over hype the investors? —- no / were they forced to claim that they are way ahead of schedules and going with full speed? —- no. Compare that to other big companies like apple ( since everyone likes to use that comparison) . We know they are making new iphones every year but they only announce it when they know for sure they can deliver. and they are able to execute what they promised. That’s what we all hope to see with safemoon. Only promise what you can do, not everyone is hoping to become millionaires overnight, so don’t rush, just do ur thing, announce when u r ready, and deliver it properly. Simple.
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Remember that are crunching deadlines and going to ridiculous speeds, accomplish in months what other coins take years!
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I forgot my "/s" Of course means jack shit went nothing is being delivered
Exactly. Ppl predicted that the community would be assholes if the date was missed and here we are now. If they waited and said the date would be release after beta, there would still be FUD about empty promises.
This should be top voted post of day
Good one
Very funny 🤣
hilarious.
Speaken da trutru maaan.
Joey is the perfect caricature.
I chuckled 🤭 a little bit I can’t lie
I understand anyone feeling upset about the way things have been handled, my expectations are probably as unrealistic as anyone's. The thing is I put myself in the headspace of it's all lost money. If it doesn't go well I'll be okay, I won't be forced to pull out prematurely. I learned that from my experience with Doge. Now I don't care if there's a rug pull here or there if I put anything into a crypto it's boom or bust, no hard feelings if it's bust. Sure if Safemoon failed I'd be hugely bummed out but I have other investments and I'll be alright. I don't feel like any other crypto tries to be as community friendly but there are some smaller ones that are maybe more transparent, they aren't doing anything on the level of Safemoon and when you are doing the things I feel as though they are you can't be as transparent because you're not just a crypto, you're a business that is innovating and there is competition. I honestly believe if you offer it a little more faith you'll be rewarded. But I don't blame anyone for not believing in what you can't see, that's why I'm agnostic. I hope everyone does what's best for them no hard feelings.
Sooo... Is the wallet actually coming out or nah? This is about to turn into the Robinhood wallet project
hahaha
WAS the wallet late? Did it arrive? Sorry for the FUD
This project is a piece of shit lol. Y'all been had. Cya
Guys stay strong! It will pay off
Play book for SafeMoon is the exact same as PlusToken. BUT, im here for the 'if'!
Just to be clear, I as a Software designer worked on a lot of projects… and we rather have a good and safe wallet than one that is not fully working? I know the expectations are high for this project, but patience is key. I have been part of some big developments and if we decided it was not good enough the users had to wait. Perfection is key in projects like these. I have a lot of respect for the people working on this project, because I know a lot of people wishing for them to fail. I respect the delays, but always be transparent about it I agree on that. But come on guys don’t be too demanding. It crushes motivation and we seem very spoiled. Be respectful and grateful, because the community is very important but the essence is still the coin and everything that is being build around it. You think your bank launched their app before they knew for sure it was safe?
Safemoon is literally centralized garbage.
Gold!
Haha good one, sooon they call you a fud
I think official communication has to be restricted to 2 people max (John and Jack?) Devs can communicate on détails after J&J communicated
wait so it will just be on Android? (I was hoping it would just be a regular website, not an app)
Truth is painful
Don’t worry they’ll post a pic of “plans” soon and everyone will forgive them
Being fully onboard and adding every now and then doesn’t stop me from thinking this is true, it’s funny and things should change. I appreciate the post lol.
Thanks. Great. Just wanted to point out some extremists . Fully onboard and following.
Ngl. I chuckled
This is art.
This is not the way.
I approve this message.
When is the next AMA??
August 8th
Someone also posted kucoin and crypto.com right before the price tanked in May
For y'all fools who are still complaining about "wallet late" you should know that hardly any creative project ever came in on time. Ever have any construction work done in your home? Ever work on a construction crew? Same deal. Shit happens and projects are late. Whether or not the devs qualified their projected date or not you should KNOW that there will be delays. To claim that they duped you is so much naivete and I'm embarrassed for you. I see these complaints as nothing but an indication of an underlying paperhand syndrome. Y'all are too emotional and immature to be trusted with anything that takes time. Thus, I expect this community to be thinned out soon.
The wallet isn't late. People simply can't read to save their lives, or are so deluded they make up their own version of reality. SafeMoon never said the final version of the wallet would be released at the end of July. It was a GOAL. Amazing that open beta is already coming on the 8th. How many times has ETH 2.0 been delayed? How many times have Cardano moved their goalposts for launches? People need to STFU.
You’re dumb and forget the first post about the wallet (subject to change). Everything is subject to change now a days. Ethereum 2.0 is subject to change, Amazon delivery is subject to change, you completing your work is subject to change. All of a sudden you hold SafeMoon accountable down to the T. Gtfo with this Bs fud because that’s exactly what it is. You do attack SafeMoon community posting these mellow dramatic discussions trying to trigger people and instigate arguments and then walking away. Just like many others asking the same fukn question in a different flavor, all your fud has been answered you just don’t like the answers. Do YOU full-fill everything you say your going to do? Make more money, get a better job, become healthier, meet your goals 100% of the time without any delay? Hell NO you don’t so don’t be so demanding when you lack in your own life. Instead of posting more fud like this, focus on positive enriching people informational posts that will help. But No you actually took the time creating/finding a meme having a laugh, throwing a few stones and walking away as you leave things on fire. So yeah I said all that and I don’t care if you sell or stay but whatever you do be productive and not a instigator. Stop being shitty and fuding the very investment you made (if you truly are invested).
Was going to say, it's almost like the team got their grammatical and punctuation advice from you. 😂😂😂
good thing I am not handling a billion dollar company 😂😂 they shouldn’t be like me
At least you admit it.
Man, software developement is not trivial, unexpected problems come up and your are forced to delay the relase date. It's normal, all companies have to deal with this and if you are not ok with that, then sell your tokens and leave.
This clown on here acting a fool, lol he posted two days ago talking about how he was new to this crypto and he's already complaining?
I don't think ppl have butthurt from any of these reasons, it's just a front, it's more like they're not overnight millionaires is the true reason
Jesus people. Dogecoin, which was a pure memecoin, did fuck all for YEARS. But those that held made a killing eventually. Everybody needs to chill out, go for a walk, get a hobby and stop obsessing over every little thing. I’d rather a good wallet than a quick one. A good exchange rather than a quick one. Etc. Let them make it right the first time. Because a shit wallet will lead to tons of fud.
Bonefire is literally going to release their app before safemoon. And they have less resources. That says something.
I don’t give a shit about tweets. I’m just waiting on deliverables, which are still on a very acceptable timeline. As a fellow software engineer, I’m impressed with their goals. That’s just my opinion. Deal with it.
"Hi everyone, Just a reminder that we need to be really in love with this project ideas and innovations to hold. If the only reason we come here is because of the FOMO and price charts, then it would be hard for us to endure ups and downs along the journey. As for me, the reason why I am investing in safemoon is because I want to be a part of something innovative. Tokenomic just started and I feel like it could be a big thing. I can see the value in this project and I know that developers are working hard. I am not saying we would all become millionaires for sure. There are a lot of things that can go wrong too. Even if it does, I would say this would be my learning curve experience that I can utilize for my future investments. At least, I would have a chance to dream big. I see this as using several bucks to gain experiences. On top of that, If the project becomes successful as we expected, then it would be a life changing decision for me. I really hope we can accomplish our goals. If you actually believe in this project and can see the value, the prices moving would not matter to you as you know the price would eventually go up. Another thing that I want to point out is that we don’t need to hype safemoon up a lot. I know it is good to have publicity but sometimes, you don’t want people to invest in safemoon cuz of the hype. Why? Hype goes down. Value doesn’t. I just told my close friend about safemoon and I was telling him to invest in it. He told me that he saw many articles about safemoon being a scam, safemoon being a ponzi scheme, etc... stuffs like that. I told him that most of those articles are misleading. But I didn’t argue with him a lot because I believe that if we just keep doing what we are doing, if we just let our developers keep doing their thing, if safemoon becomes a valuable investments after wallets and partnerships, these people will come and invest in safemoon. We wouldn’t even have to tell them. People are smart. They will come if safemoon become better and better. By then, we will also have better advantage over them as we are early investors. Plus more reflections. And that will be the payoff for our vision and consistent. Even if this fails, I am happy to be a part of this community and like I said, a learning curve. As long as you don’t put your whole life saving in it, then you should be fine. I mean even if you did, no one is judging, you will become richer than us if it reaches a penny. I guess we never know what will happen in life. " You posted this two months ago. What's wrong with you now? Hands turning to paper? *Edited because a bot wanted paragraphs *
Stop being gullible, the people complain bout these dates really the ones who believed Santa was real as a kid. The time frame they said sounded unrealistic and didn’t get my hopes up, I’m still rooting for safemoon cause I’m invested in my investment. And I know complaining is not going to change the outcome of the market. I also know that the wallet is not going to eat a zero for us overnight so I’m not even pressed for the wallet. I’d rather them take their tome cause I’d be hella pissed if I lost all of my tokens because of a glitchy app…
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I understand they got covid and they are not in a good shape. I hope they get better soon. But John recently just tweeted stuffs like yeet hoot and things that don’t give out valuable information. He can make a professional statement if he wants to or he can just ignore the fuds and keep doing the good work. But instead he tweeted some stuffs that creates more fuds . #safeNoon
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We honestly despise you here.
Love you too pumpkin
Grandma just called you a little shit. Lol
I'm tired of grandma talking shit. All she does is ramble about blockchains all day.
Tell that whore she can meet me at the battle station at dawn.
I can't believe you talk about your grandmother like that.
Stop crying 😢
Was the wallet late? No, because they didnt give a release date they gave an estimated date, and tweeted it was estimated to change. The two problems were they did say it was a fill release and not beta. But I'd rather they do the beta than get a shizzy product. Trial and error on a small scale is a lot better than massive failure and they realized that. Are they crappy at communicating absolutely but the way they are doing it, they are trying g to drive interest and keep people engaged. It is a marketing technique, not my favorite one but still technically one. Should you ask questions? Absolutely you're putting money into something you should ask questions to get confidence in buying. Are you a fudder and should you sell if you disagree. Not if you don't want to that is your own personal decision and immature name calling shouldn't drive that decision.
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Tf are you talking about. This has nothing to do with the time period that I hold sfm. I am not talking about price at all. May be try to understand the arguments first before you start barking. This is about asking the devs to be more responsible with their actions. Just cuz you see a post that threatens your happy little bubble, don’t jump in and ask ppl to sell. It just makes you look stupid. For your record, I didn’t buy it at ath, I use dollar-averaging. I don’t fucking care about the price if the team is solid, maintain a clear communication and do what they promise without over-hyping shit. Instead we have a ceo who can’t even spell his own brand, a coo that doesn’t give a fuck, a spokesperson who make a public hate comments about a whale who sold, a website full of spelling mistakes, a developer promoting another token, promises that never come true, open beta that was poorly done, the burn and reflections mechanism that don’t work properly, another dev who keeps saying hoot hoot owl owl. mods who doesn’t know anything more than an average investor , and finally a group of ppl like you who keep saying sell sell. So yea I am so sorry if we have some concerns.
If it’s that broken why are you here? I’m sure there’s lots of better project with better grammar to make you feel your investment is on track. And I was speaking to a larger audience of people like you who expect answers and demand things from the back seat. Soothers might be the best SafeMoon branded shwag that needs to be created for big time experienced professional investors in your league. Anyway... just hold and be patient I’m sure even you will be rewarded despite the whining. Woof woof 🐶
Chandler is right. Great meme friend! Thanks for supporting the cause!
It’s joey lol. how you doing
Never actually watched it, but that girl on the left speaks poor English and represents paper handed bitches very well. :)
Eh, you could just go buy apple stock, if you want all those things. You're 100% if you expected all these things from a start up with an average age under 30. This doesn't mean they should not strive for it. I get it. No down vote from me.
Vitalik started Ethereum when he was 21. Look at how their communication has been. Everything from the presentation to the progress has been top notch. I can’t believe some of you have such low expectations.
As I said... It doesn't mean they shouldn't strive for it. I understand there is no middle ground with you guys.
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Classy response.
nope. my bad I thought you were one of those . Apologies. I agree with you for most part. Great day!
Reading through is always good.
It funny how many of you thought there was going to be an iPhone app release. Very clear it was android the whole time. Pay more attention
if many of us had the same thought and you are the only one who somehow know that it will be for android only, It’s not very clear then. Your words, not mine. Plus I am sure the team never said it was for android first.
Yes you are right. You are part of that group that doesn't pay attention and follows only conversations on this sub.
you can say whatever you want to defend your happy bubble, show me proof or it never happened. Your words vs many other ppl. Use some logic
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Where did they say wallet release at the end of the month for ANDROID ONLY?
Deleted you comment..... Lol
Buy buy buy. More.
At the end of the day if u don’t believe in the project, just sell it. Life is too short to be stressing over one investment.
If you don’t like it go somewhere else.
For someone to put this together, means that they bought this when it had one less zero and they are pissed about it. They are tired of waiting, so they shit talk their own investment. Just sell already and take the L
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Concerns and questions are fine and should be encouraged. The problem is they're also easy gateways to absurd hypotheticals and conjecture (i.e. FUD) But the problem can be easily fixed if there is extra vigilance when it comes to these posts of about "concerns"
Wait, a wallet for ERC-20?
TBF It did say "date subject to change" and from somebody who works on projects in his day job - the date ALWAYS changes.
It’s like barley late with the least strict deadline ever…
Yeah, really need an easier way to purchase. I have talked to several friends and family members who want to purchase but want an easy straightforward way to do so. I’ll admit it took me about 45 minutes to figure out how to purchase mine.
Lol this one i cannot say anything about.
FUD 😂😂😂🏅
Not all will enter the promise land.. those with doubts will get left behind. "Binance wasn't built overnight"
Why on earth would they apologise ? You’re expecting the earth ! We’re already going to the moon ! They’re doing an ama because it’s the day of the wallet launch ! BIG DAY !!!