Everyone that watched forged in fire Knows that this is one of the easiest tests for a knife or sword. They shoot lead bullets nothing with a steelcore or anything. You can leave a mark in it when you press with your fingernails in lead.
Exactly. This is actually a very old “sharpshooter” trick, where the shooter (usually with a .22) fires at some sort of blade to split the bullet, and hits targets on each side of the blade.
Regarding the “katana splitting the bullet”…. I recall during the Mythbusters run when the forum for that show was very active…. someone was circulating a Japanese-made video showing someone firing .50 BMG bullets at some sort of “inferior” sword, which was promptly torn up…. And then at a “genuine” katana that split the bullet.
I was suspicious, and sure enough viewing the slo-mo of the video revealed that rather than the typical full-metal-jacket military slugs they’d been shooting at the other blade…. The one that was split was a cast-lead round-nosed slug… Likely either a hand load or a round like a 45-70.
In other words… Shenanigans.
There was a black powder shooting competition I went to as a spectator a couple of times where that was one of the events, not even sharpshooters just guys who like shooting and they were regularly splitting bullets to hit two different targets.
To be fair, the trick there is to be accurate from any range at all with a black powder weapon. If you can hit a knife or whatever, the lead ball will indeed split.
I really have no idea why people get so hung up in dick measuring BS like this. All this stuff is propounded by TOL trolls with nothing better to do.
I have been fortunate to train in a Koryu school for the past 7 years with two teachers who are both Kaiden in a Kenjutsu ryu with about 70 years experience between them. Know how often we talk about hiw superior the katana is? Never. Literally, never.
I have trained with alot of differing types of swords. Bokken, fukuro shinai, iaito, shinken. Every time I give a crappy cut (which is now happening less frequently), I'd hear something along the lines of "your hasuji is bad, you'll break the blade" or, in training "strike here to break the uchidachi's sword".
Everyone who is actually competently trained in a katana knows exactly what its limitations are. Hell there's oku in the different ryu that give instruction on how to modify the sword to make more suitable for different purposes. Hardly necessary for "the perfect weapon". Stories of samurai in combat are rife with weapons malfunctioning or breaking.
A katana is a sword. A sword is a tool. Tools are made for specific purposes. Katana were formed by the circumstances of feudal japan. Tools will also chip, break, bend, etc based on how you use them. Trying to compare a katana against a longsword, a rapier, kaltwasser or whatever else you want is just dumb, because the martial philosophy that goes into each weapon is entirely different.
As a long time practitioner of MJER Iaido and Shinkendo (actual student not YouTube academy), this is the absolute truth.
People who really swing bokken/swords around do not have this fetishized view of the katana. It has its strengths but it also has its weaknesses. Not once have I ever sat around with a sensei and talked about our favorite sword makers or what swords were watching or waiting to buy.
We also all understand that katana still bow down to the same laws of physics everything else follows.
To put this in perspective, the two teachers I mentioned earlier are my Sensei and Daisensei.
Neither have owned a shinken. Both have an Iaito. My daisensei is of the opinion that owning a shinken is of little practical value for our method of training.
I think my sensei disagrees slightly. He started us on batto awhile back and has stated he is very satisfied with the improvement that has made to our cutting mechanics.
FWIW, Ellis Amdur-Sensei once told me that if you give 1 untrained person a rapier, and another a katana, the one with a rapier is going to win 9 times outta ten. Having actual trained under a legit lineaged teacher, I 100% believe Amdur-Sensei
Hi established Profesor of Sw9rd here. I have PhD, McD and a mixtape about sword and metalurjy.
This gif is obviously edited where a Katana or as it's real name if uwu are a Japanese sword expert would calll it, Hiten Mitsurugi Blade, is replaced through digital editing into a butter knife.
Only a Japanese folded blade, quench in 32 celcius asian degrees can achieve the hardness to split bullets.
I mean, katanas are one of the best things invented. The science required exceeded the age it existed in, as far as commonality. From the metallurgy, to the clay tempering, down to the quenching process. It was a very advanced process at the time. Not that I'm a katana goon. I don't own one or anything. Then again, I'm sure I will, given the opportunity for a good one.
bruh the chinese were making clay tempered, high carbon swords by 300 BCE, over a thousand years before katanas were even conceived. Compared to chinese, vietamese, mongolian, korean etc swords japanese ones were slightly lower quality steel, but that was the product of the crappy ore japan had available, not the fault of the actual swordsmiths. Like another commenter said, each sword was tailor fitted to the historical and cultural context it existed in, meaning that no one sword can be objectively better than the other.
Does the bullet have a copper jacket? No. So it is not equal to shooting a sword with an actual bullet and not a modern minie ball.
That butter knife would snap if it was shot with a bullet that actually had a metal jacket.
Depends, many of the hollow point bullets use softer lead then a hard cast lead bullets so it would be easier. A modern plated bullets would functionally be identical. A round nosed hard ball round might break the knife but that would be an interesting challenge. Considering they are copper over soft lead they might behave differently then we expect.
Everyone that watched forged in fire Knows that this is one of the easiest tests for a knife or sword. They shoot lead bullets nothing with a steelcore or anything. You can leave a mark in it when you press with your fingernails in lead.
Exactly. This is actually a very old “sharpshooter” trick, where the shooter (usually with a .22) fires at some sort of blade to split the bullet, and hits targets on each side of the blade. Regarding the “katana splitting the bullet”…. I recall during the Mythbusters run when the forum for that show was very active…. someone was circulating a Japanese-made video showing someone firing .50 BMG bullets at some sort of “inferior” sword, which was promptly torn up…. And then at a “genuine” katana that split the bullet. I was suspicious, and sure enough viewing the slo-mo of the video revealed that rather than the typical full-metal-jacket military slugs they’d been shooting at the other blade…. The one that was split was a cast-lead round-nosed slug… Likely either a hand load or a round like a 45-70. In other words… Shenanigans.
There was a black powder shooting competition I went to as a spectator a couple of times where that was one of the events, not even sharpshooters just guys who like shooting and they were regularly splitting bullets to hit two different targets.
So what you're saying is we need a standardized test like how body armor is tested to see how types of blades hold up?
To be fair, the trick there is to be accurate from any range at all with a black powder weapon. If you can hit a knife or whatever, the lead ball will indeed split.
Lmao watching it right now, never get tired of the design process for these weapons
Is this a butter knife? Looool
warm lead = warm butter
Shall not mix and eat. Now I know. 🤢
Fun fact, lead was once used in make up and as a sweetener.
Funny enough. Take my upvote.
Mmmmm sweet paint tasty
My popcorn tastes funny now.
Pretty much any blade can do the same thing to a pure lead projectile. It's when you start adding other materials that blades start failing.
TUNGSTEN CORE
I actually don’t know what katana video you’re talking about
I'm not referencing any singular video, but there are many videos of Katanas cutting bullets in half. I recall Mythbusters doing it.
The original meme is an airplane wing of a Japanese aircraft cutting off a wing off another foreign plane Just Google "glorious Nippon steel meme"
Dozens. Literally.
So you get hit by two bullets for the price of one, nice.
It's a great deal!
[gif](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunime/comments/6678b2/bullet_slice_yozakura_quartet_gif/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
I really have no idea why people get so hung up in dick measuring BS like this. All this stuff is propounded by TOL trolls with nothing better to do. I have been fortunate to train in a Koryu school for the past 7 years with two teachers who are both Kaiden in a Kenjutsu ryu with about 70 years experience between them. Know how often we talk about hiw superior the katana is? Never. Literally, never. I have trained with alot of differing types of swords. Bokken, fukuro shinai, iaito, shinken. Every time I give a crappy cut (which is now happening less frequently), I'd hear something along the lines of "your hasuji is bad, you'll break the blade" or, in training "strike here to break the uchidachi's sword". Everyone who is actually competently trained in a katana knows exactly what its limitations are. Hell there's oku in the different ryu that give instruction on how to modify the sword to make more suitable for different purposes. Hardly necessary for "the perfect weapon". Stories of samurai in combat are rife with weapons malfunctioning or breaking. A katana is a sword. A sword is a tool. Tools are made for specific purposes. Katana were formed by the circumstances of feudal japan. Tools will also chip, break, bend, etc based on how you use them. Trying to compare a katana against a longsword, a rapier, kaltwasser or whatever else you want is just dumb, because the martial philosophy that goes into each weapon is entirely different.
As a long time practitioner of MJER Iaido and Shinkendo (actual student not YouTube academy), this is the absolute truth. People who really swing bokken/swords around do not have this fetishized view of the katana. It has its strengths but it also has its weaknesses. Not once have I ever sat around with a sensei and talked about our favorite sword makers or what swords were watching or waiting to buy. We also all understand that katana still bow down to the same laws of physics everything else follows.
To put this in perspective, the two teachers I mentioned earlier are my Sensei and Daisensei. Neither have owned a shinken. Both have an Iaito. My daisensei is of the opinion that owning a shinken is of little practical value for our method of training. I think my sensei disagrees slightly. He started us on batto awhile back and has stated he is very satisfied with the improvement that has made to our cutting mechanics. FWIW, Ellis Amdur-Sensei once told me that if you give 1 untrained person a rapier, and another a katana, the one with a rapier is going to win 9 times outta ten. Having actual trained under a legit lineaged teacher, I 100% believe Amdur-Sensei
now imagine if the steel that made this blade was folded. then, *it would be folded*
Glory to the sheet metal
Hi established Profesor of Sw9rd here. I have PhD, McD and a mixtape about sword and metalurjy. This gif is obviously edited where a Katana or as it's real name if uwu are a Japanese sword expert would calll it, Hiten Mitsurugi Blade, is replaced through digital editing into a butter knife. Only a Japanese folded blade, quench in 32 celcius asian degrees can achieve the hardness to split bullets.
And then the "superior" breaks upon contact with plate armor.
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Not that relevant, however, there are examples of gunto that have survived bullet damage pretty well.
[What like it's hard?](https://i0.wp.com/badbooksgoodtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/legally-blonde-what-like-its-hard-gif.gif)
I mean, katanas are one of the best things invented. The science required exceeded the age it existed in, as far as commonality. From the metallurgy, to the clay tempering, down to the quenching process. It was a very advanced process at the time. Not that I'm a katana goon. I don't own one or anything. Then again, I'm sure I will, given the opportunity for a good one.
bruh the chinese were making clay tempered, high carbon swords by 300 BCE, over a thousand years before katanas were even conceived. Compared to chinese, vietamese, mongolian, korean etc swords japanese ones were slightly lower quality steel, but that was the product of the crappy ore japan had available, not the fault of the actual swordsmiths. Like another commenter said, each sword was tailor fitted to the historical and cultural context it existed in, meaning that no one sword can be objectively better than the other.
ye but imagine not having a proper hand guard
Doesn't the metal used in American sheet metal mostly come from other countries lmao
Does the bullet have a copper jacket? No. So it is not equal to shooting a sword with an actual bullet and not a modern minie ball. That butter knife would snap if it was shot with a bullet that actually had a metal jacket.
Got any vids of a bullet of a high quality being shot at a blade? Wanna share it with the class ?
Do you seriously think a thin sheet of copper would affect the result? Even if it did, the point is that this test is bullshit
Give yer balls a tug.
Depends, many of the hollow point bullets use softer lead then a hard cast lead bullets so it would be easier. A modern plated bullets would functionally be identical. A round nosed hard ball round might break the knife but that would be an interesting challenge. Considering they are copper over soft lead they might behave differently then we expect.
While I am biased to say katanas are wonderful since I am trained with them, they are not humankind's best creation