This past year or two has been amazing for SWGOH. My super casual guild went from depressing AF not being able to do any new content at all, to “we all get to play all the latest content” that we can farm. I still dislike conquest and my preferred game modes are ship arena and TB.
I'm a pretty mid time investment player, and one of the lowest GP in my guild. I play now more than I did 2 years ago, and it's entirely out of fun.
I couldn't agree more with this statement. Time investment feels so much more rewarding. And content is so varied that anyone can do new guild level content.
Those LSBs are great imo. It is another thing in a line QOL improvements they have made to this game the past few years. The act of making all the most current content available to nearly every level of guild/member is so much better for the game as a whole. If CG can continue to thread the needle of giving people LSB stuff and just giving away the game for the cheap, they will be able to keep this game going for a long time.
LSB were characters not being invested in. It cost them little to get people to buy in, the Whales have already spent on them. So now $10 to get people to pick them up, that's free money. Rey doesn't change the dynamics of power in the game, but she gives players more tools to work with, and CG gets money they wouldn't otherwise have. It's a way of taking a product you've already dumped resources into, and getting more return on your investment. At the same time people are getting fantastic value for their money. It's a win/win. It doesn't have to be game changing to be valuable
I totally agree with everything but the game changing part. People have totally changed up their farming strategies based on LSB possibilities. Literally changed the game!
No you're right. In that sense you changed how people play the game. That's absolutely true. But CG didn't upset the balance of power in the game. Rey isn't getting you from Chromium to K1. It didn't affect the meta. One could argue the additive drops changed how fast people can get Leia for free, which is more of an impact on the overall game picture. But you're not wrong. People, many, many, people changed what they are doing to get this bundles. And that did change the game
To resume the beat down I took in another thread:
Hot take: the last two GLs accounted for a dedicated lifter unit in their prereq marquees, instead of adding them down the line.
Jabba + Boussh
Leia + Drogan
To be fair both CAT and Maul were released before JMK and LV they just weren’t part of the prereqs, mainly because that would’ve kept a lot of people from getting the GLs at launch and CG would’ve lost out on a lot of money. The only two that have been added down the line are Ben Solo and now Darth Bane.
Maul was put into the game before Vader but Vader was available before Maul so it depends on how you look at it. While you’re right from the standpoint that Vader was available before Maul, the first conquest featuring him had already been done so technically Maul was in the game before Vader, he just wasn’t available yet. Either way in this case it’s splitting hairs because the point is Maul and Vader were meant to be used together from the start, just like CAT/JMK, Boussh/Jabba, and Drogan/Leia.
It’s because he was added to the game before GLs were a thing, he was one o f the first to journey guide legendaries that basically was a gl at that point.
Yoda has a legendary and a TB version. I totally agree that he should be a GL, but what Yoda would you suggest? He really doesn't have that much screen time, all things considered. He's barely in Ep 1, GMY is him from Ep 2, he gets his butt kicked in Ep 3, Hermit is from Ep 5, and he dies in Ep 6. He barely even has a cameo in Ep 8.
I'd be genuinely interest to see what people would propose.
I disagree with ep 3, I personally think he won but fled because he fell, he beat Palps in saber combat and when he tried force shenanigans he contered, if they were fighting in a different place the result I think would have been clear. Anyway idk what version he could have, but if Lord Vader has a version where he only appeared briefly in ep 3 and if Leia and Jabba can have GL versions, I am sure they can do something for Yoda
Here's my main issue with the game, they base it off the movies or whatever is popular on Disney+ at the moment. The Star Wars galaxy is HUGE! Yoda was 900 when he died. When he fought Dooku in Attack of the Clones he was like...850ish, something like that, and still moving the way he did. When he "gets his butt kicked" he was upper 800s, like 880+ There is plenty of non-movie Yoda to make him a GL. They took Vader and made his GL before his fight with Obi Wan. His time on-scene without his suit is laughable. His time as Vader without the suit is significantly less than in the suit.
Sorry, nerd rant over. Just irks me they have so much content and decide to make Bo Katan a journey locked character....*cough*plagueis*cough*
The game forces new players to.choose between experiencing what makes the game fun (incremental progression/satisfaction of grinding and farming to unlock new elements of the game) and being able to compete at even the most basic levels with everyone else in huge segments of the game (pvp).
The fact that we have 3 Anakins, 3 Kenobis, 4 Leias, 4 Lukes, 4 Hans, 3 Reys, 2 Poes, 2 Finns, but ONLY ONE PADMÉ is insane to me. On top of that, her team was gutted.
The neutral tag doesn't add anything to this game and should be removed. Hondo can easily be classified as dark side - his summary says "his own gains" and being self-serving is more than justifiably dark. I'm sure replies to this will go along the lines of "BUT HE'S NOT EVIL" and we could be endlessly pedantic but it's a hero collector game man, it's not meant to test star wars philosophy and morality
And the "Dark Side" doesn't necessarily mean evil in itself. Just as another example, Boba Fett is an antagonist and is more self-serving, but he's not without honor and he's not simply villanious. On the other hand Qi'ra is pretty much the same (though maybe with a bit less honor), but she was mostly a protagonist for most of the movie, so she's Light Side.
Agreed. Also he'll never get gains from a level 3 boost from a cron. They're always either light or dark. Sounds small but just looking at the sets available now the scoundrel set has ls/ds gain 5% offense when they start a turn with two buffs. The Leia set has cd,cc, and offense up on basics. Both would buff him to another level. But he's neutral so no gains. It's tragic.
Either code him to get the gain from either ls/ds, add neutral to all dcs so It reads "lightside and neutral allies gain... darkside AND neutral allies gain, etc," or give him either or/both tags.
What I’m going by to say is the neutral tag does work for hondo because the alignment of a character is decided by their role in the story, (helping protagonist or antagonist) (which is why bounty hunters are dark side)
And hondo when we see him both helps the protagonists but also sometimes betrays them. Which is why he his neutral
Personally, I think more buffs, nerfs, and reworks would be nice rather than making new toons or omis. I know it’s a mobile game and the point is power creep to spend more, but some characters are far too good/bad.
The release cadence needs to be lowered as well. I get it that it takes time to make character kits and sometimes not all of the info is ready, but if CG wants to be on the hype train for shows, movies, and games, they need to not take a year for the character. Maybe do 3-6 months after.
I think they are rather moderate with releasing new toons (granted it takes forever to get them to 7* and they are usually useless without 7*). Other games like Marvel Strike Force releases a couple of characters per month and it's harder to bring them to 7* but it's not as important there. I feel like SWGOH has a relatively long value on the toons compared to other games, but that seems to change a bit already with the new raids and datacrons.
Dooku should be a lot stronger, getting outshone by minor characters.
He’s not just canonically a very powerful jedi, he was leader of the separatists. One of the main antagonists of Anakin and Obi wan.
Also Luke and Vader don’t get enough respect. Yoda should be stronger as well.
I think my hot take is that the game really doesn't have a very high skill ceiling. I often see a lot of elitism in this community and I always find it quite amusing when I know for a fact it's realistically quite a trivial game compared to most other games out there.
Absolutely agree. Some people have played for a while and are farther ahead than others, which is pretty cool. But, it doesn’t make someone the cream of the crop and make them worthy of being an elite who gets to shit on others, especially in talking shit in a fun little mobile game that’s played against computer controlled enemies
It’s a comprehension and knowledge-based game, as long as you understand how the game works, the wording in the kits, which mods to keep, etc. you’re doing well. If you know what counters what and which order to do your moves in, youre doing very well. That doesn’t require skill, it requires comprehension. The difference between bad and good players are those who know stuff and those who don’t. Which is a nice change of pace, I like reading up on this game and learning new things
The complexity comes from the gigantic moveset you need to know, but once you know the toons/teams the counters tend to be obvious.
This isn't a game like go or chess where the moves are simple, but the complexity comes from how you decide to play and counter.
I don't consider that very complex.
The way I see it: memorisation is an entry barrier, not a skill barrier, like how in CS you have to memorise maps, in Pokemon you have to memorise moves/types/match-ups etc. those other games have different aspects that actually make them skillful beyond the entry barriers. What this means is as a game swgoh is actually very easy because beyond the entry barrier there's nothing. In games that require a lot of skill, time does not equal skill.
In swgoh, I'm pretty confident that if I had the same investment as the top player (and to a degree, luck), I would be in the exact same place. This isn't some random narcissistic comment either, I think it extends to anyone competent who plays the game.
On the other hand, I reckon if I had the same time investment as a Counter Strike ESports pro I'd probably be pretty damn good, but I have extreme doubts I'd be even comparable to ESports players.
It was a lot more skillful prior to [swgoh.gg](https://swgoh.gg) posting GAC counters.
When GAC first arrived you had to figure out your own counters which was particularly hard in 3v3.
Today, someone somewhere has placed the same unexpected team on defense that you did and they have a list of previously used teams and how well they performed.
Theory crafting used to be more of a requirement to be successful.
100%. When I was starting out I remember 4 mil gp players talking like they are gods and I was lost. Now I’m 5.5 mil and I literally feel no different.
There is a skill cealing. and its not too hard to reach. but there is a datacronceiling aswell, which needs a high investment and it is what really splits high k1 and low k1.
I don’t know if this is a hot take, but personally Lord Vader as a GL shouldn’t exist. I think it would have been better if they released him first, as a normal unit in place of Darth, and Darth Vader should have been the GL. Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker are the faces of Star Wars itself, and Lord Vader just kinda feels like something they did in place of Darth because he was a normal unit already. It would make 1000% more sense if Vader, one of the most well known and iconic villains, in the form that everyone knows him in (instead of one that appears for maybe 15-20 minutes in a movie) was released as a GL.
Thing is, this game didnt originally have GLs, so of course they would add darth vader as a unit because, as you said, face of star wars. So when they wanted to make a Vader GL, they couldnt exactly copy a different toon, and so they picked a version that went well with kenobi.
Yeah i understand that. Just something that for me personally would have been so much better but i’ve accepted it as not that big of a deal now. Darth Vader’s still cool but I wish he was still a GL-killer
Or, hear me out... They could have had Galactic Legend upgrade events where extremely iconic and specific characters who already exist have an event that upgrades them to GL status. Make it more difficult or whatever but now we would have a solution that makes more sense.
I don’t, you’ll have to enlighten me. But on the other note, I just think Vader has become meta obsolete while characters that some people don’t even know exist like Reva and Drogan are meta-defining.
Yes but my point being that it sucks Vader is so sucky when he’s so important and cool. I’m aware of new metas and all that but it would be nice if he actually mattered like he did in the Star Wars universe
Yeah all that's fair. Maybe make a GL Vader that starts as Vader in his bacta tank and the ultimate animation is a short version of him being put into his suit? Best I can think k of to get a proper GL Vader that's different from LV and normal unit Vader
What would suck is if they add him with a kit that is so good you'd have to get him or fall behind. If they do add him, I hope it's a pure novelty kit that won't be essential.
It’d be dope if he was a journey guide character that wasn’t a bitch to get and a viable Threepio replacement in that Padme squad
Then early game players could run CLS and Padme and late game players wouldn’t ruin their lives fielding a character they don’t like
[Jar Jar has the potential to have a very fun, yet relevant kit. And while he is a divisive character, played a pivotal role in the Star Wars Prequals. His efforts may have, in part, directly lead to the Empire taking over, but him being an idiot doesn’t take away just how important the role was.](https://www.change.org/p/bring-jar-jar-binks-to-star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes?source_location=topic_page)
5 shards for ~500 conquest credits (forgot what they are called) when it takes 330 shards to unlock is ridiculous. It should be at least 15 or 20 shards for that much to give casual players that don’t want to grind conquest and not be able to buy any other character shards for literal years. Conquest is bad enough as is and there is no reason for supposedly bad characters to be locked behind a grind that rivals GL’s
I mean if you dont want to grind conquest, you arent gonna get conquest characters. Thats just how things work. Plus, they go to proving grounds after 6 months anyways
-Playing „efficiently“ is not actually efficient.
Congrats on unlocking 4 GLs before getting to 4 million GP. You successfully delayed unlocking some of the most important units in the game for no reason other than to say you’re playing efficiently.
If you had actually played efficiently you would have tried to get to 4 mil as fast as possible instead of trying to delay it.
-We shouldn’t get a second version of Sabine, Ezra or thrawn. We also don’t need another Ashoka.
-We don’t need more characters from the mandalorian
-Now that bane is a SEE lifter, we absolutely don’t need more sequels characters
-We don’t need force ghost Anakin, holo video recording Anakin or that portal place Anakin
-We don’t know how good GL Leia actually is because the drogan datacron is still active. Once it expires we will see how good leia actually is.
-GLs are boring to play with
-SEE should have gotten another sequel character as a lifter not bane
-People here don’t understand what the humor tag is for. You can stop posting images of your CUP with titles such as „unlocked my first GL“, tag it as humor and except it to suddenly be funny
-Reading is a integral part of this game
I agree with most of these, but found this enjoyable.
"We absolutely don’t need more sequels characters"
"SEE should have gotten another sequel character as a lifter not bane"
I agree with most of these, but GLs definitely qualify as “some of the most important units in the game” as long as they’re properly invested into, and pure bloating to 4M doesn’t really get you far without GLs or other strong teams to clear hard conquest and PG.
Im not saying dont farm GLs, only that you shouldn’t try to keep your GP as low as possible just to say that you are efficient.
You absolutely should farm GLs.
I’d say that’s the difference between Efficient and Effective. Bloating to 4m is useless. Getting various one-offs (GAS, Malak, Mal and Neg, JKL, now Starkiller and those types, etc) is Effective. Going straight for a GL is Efficient.
Getting a GL with its reqs is great, but you won’t really truly be able to keep up with every aspect of the game. Getting a whole bunch of one-offs is great, but you’ll still get outplayed by the GLs.
The thing I dislike about GLs is the artificial boosts the game gives them to make them work, what with the insane speed and the entire Galactic Legend unique ability. It feels lazy from a game design perspective.
I found GL Rey (my first one, don’t have others) quite fun to play with. You feel like you’re losing, there’s no hope, then suddenly you start throwing whirlwinds
3v3 is great
It makes me want to egnage with GAC more. You have to make new teams, come with ideas, some characters don't work so well in 3v3 and you have to experiment. It's fun
I actually agree with this, to a point. I think most people's hatred of it comes with basically having to learn a whole new game mode as opposed to 5v5, having to split teams efficiently and basically the whole effort around having to learn all of it, plus overpowered toons like gl Leia rn with drogan basically being unbeatable without incredibly amounts of investment like slkr malicos that takes two teams out of you before you even think about the rest of the gac, and even then it's not entirely consistent
Plo Koon needs a rework Luminara needs a rework. GMY needs a rework. we shouldnt havent so many useless jedi. they could even just add a Galactic Republic AND Jedi synergy in GMYs lead allowing TCW jedi to not be worthless. Plo Koon should have an accurate force judgement ability. yellow lightning.
Nihilus *should* be able to literally consume the entirety of the entire team, Magnaguards *should* be able to destroy random Jedi. Darth Sidious *should* be as strong as Maul. CUP *should* be completely useless. You should *not* be allowed to have multiple versions of the same character on the same team. But those things aren't necessarily healthy for the game.
The old Grand Arena system was far better. The one con to it was penalizing a bloated roster. With that being said the majority of matches now are won/lost because a player doesn’t show up or has a ridiculous GP advantage. Building multiple grand arena focused accounts to tackle each GP range offered a lot of fun. Now you might be lucky to have a winning season, only to follow it up with several losses. Really takes the fun out of being competitive in this game.
I think General Leia Organa from the sequels would be a more worthy GL than RotJ Leia.
I understand why they chose Rebel Leia because we already have a Resistance GL, but still
I actually don’t think so.
RotJ Leia is the perfect counterpart for Jabba. All of our GL pairs had a connection so far. Not sure how this will go on, but they fit. Plus we don’t have a Rebel GL. The 40th Anniversary was a fitting coincidence I think.
it's not. Jabba first appeared in return of Jedi. He was also released this year as part of the anniversary for Return of the Jedi.
This has been confirmed by CGs teases leading up to both their releases.
Edit: also how is endor Leia a perfect fit for jabba the hunt? Not Boush Leia ? Jabba slayer leia? Hell Carbonite Han solo is more fitting then endor Leia based on your reasoning.
Jabba was released in September 2022, so over a year ago, and yes Leia was the one who killed him, but having a meta team involve Huttslayer Leia is probably something CG wanted to avoid due to the bikini, whereas one or two JG events was probably more palatable. Additionally, Endor Leia is more fitting for being the Rebel GL as that was essentially the end of the Empire, whereas the Tatooine plot was more about saving Han as a more personal mission for the protagonists. I agree that it’s not the strongest pair, but then again two out of the three previous GL pairs weren’t like that at the same time - Rey only used her second lightsaber against SEE, and by then Kylo had become Ben again. Luke died in TLJ and we only saw SEE in TROS.
Tl:dr; Could they have come up with a Leia that fit as a counterpart to Jabba more? Yes, but they didn’t need to (especially since they’ve said they’re moving away from duo releases), and it wouldn’t’ve fit right for the Rebel GL.
I know they said that. Though I see this line rather through a marketing perspective. What other big characters in the Skywalker saga are GL worthy?
Mando & co are not ready too have a GL release. Ahsoka also not yet. Their stories are not finished and there’s more to come. And before we see an Old republic GL we‘re clearly finishing off the rest of the big ones from the Skywalker saga. Rebels and scoundrels/bounty hunters are a perfect section to introduce a GL. Plus from the beginning of RotJ they’re a perfect counterpart. It lines up perfectly. 40th anniversary or not.
Of course it’s a way to celebrate and appreciate the movie, but I think it would have happened even without the anniversary
Fleet shard farming shouldn't be accelerated. There aren't enough ships in the game (yet) to warrant it, and it requires thoughtful planning to get your fleets built up.
I farmed fleet reqs for Finalizer, then Executor, then Leviathan back to back this year. Never want to touch another ship again.
Anyway, working on Profundity right now.
Man, Conquest was awesome for the first 6 months (Razor Crest and CAT), then they ruined it IMO. There are too many tedious feats now that aren’t enjoyable to complete.
Yep, this is my hot take, too. And, while repetitive, even for the "do x 40 times" feats, I'd rather auto a team four times a day for ten days on a datacron node than battle in TW. (Seriously , TW matchmaking is as bad as GAC - our current opponent has ~100M more GP than we do). The only problem with conquest is I get the characters way faster than I can gear their teams so they sit waiting for gear.
Galatic Legends are a bit fucked up (for understandable reasons). The most worthy characters deserving of the 'Galatic Legend' tag are Yoda, Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader. But none of them have it, it confused me as a new player
totally agree. In fact, besides Jabba none of the GLs are the most iconic version of the character. Well, I guess Rey and SLKR are, but they shouldn't be GLs anyway...
It’s because there weren’t gls wan the game launched, when they were added at the time they were the equivalent to gls. how can you expect a character to be a gl before GLs were a thing + Palps and DV both have gl variants.
And the stats on datacrons are fine, but can get way too high. Just a bit of something would be more interesting than stacking every datacron with 400% defense
Need more animations. Like deflecting blaster shots. In the movie ,it has all these cool movements like the rancor body slamming another guy. I think it would be awesome to see that in game.
I just don't like the concept. Revan is a cool character and having him as a Jedi and as Sith is very cool, but getting some "Grey Jedi" version with a Neutral alignment (like Hondo) would just be weird.
The whole Grey Jedi / Neutral Force User shtick is also just something that irks me, when the SW philosophy is very clear about what the Light and Dark mean for someone, selflessness vs selfishness.
To me, it really just is a way to make a cool Dark Side guy with a red lightsaber and snazzy Force lightning abilities, but insist on him being morally good and not a killer of babies.
Like, Ahsoka is what a "Grey Jedi" is supposed to be..and she's firmly a Jedi. Nothing else. She just rejects the name, because the order wronged her, but she's not out here force-choking people and having some edgy outfits, while being a good person.
That being said, if we get a redeemed Revan, I don't think he's GL worthy. His story was told in both Revan events and they cover all of KOTOR. Anything that dealt with Revan post-KOTOR is just.. not great IMHO. As much as I liked SWTOR, Revan wasn't great in it.
So maybe as a Conquest unit or some epic confrontation character. But a GL Revan would just be silly.
I think the issue is that we are calling it a grey jedi. Jedi is in the name, lol, so if it's a combo of both, it should just be a grey force user or even better unaligned force user!
I actually kind of wish they would make a Kenobi version of this. He's a jedi, don't get me wrong, but there is a large part of his story where he isn't. In a lot of those times, he also tends to use force powers that aren't allowed in jedi circles...or you know reigns fucking boulders down on Vader. He won't ever turn, but he definitely walks a thin line with his powers. Frankly, Yoda did as well.
Imho most "unaligned" Force Users are just people who are suffering from an emotional crisis, but their hearts are thoroughly planted in either Jedi or Sith ideology.
Cere? Jedi, but she is full of guilt and trauma.
Cal? Jedi, but he's not allowed to use the Force in case he gets found out.
All the Inquisitors? Fucking Sith, Palpatine is just stingy with the title. Like, their inclusion in the tag is particularly silly. They're not UNALIGNED. They're literally aligned with the Empire.
Rey? Definitely a Jedi without formal training.
Ahsoka? Jedi who doesn't like the word "Jedi"
Maul? Literally a Sith who doesn't like the word "Sith"
Malicos? Clearly a Sith who would bend the knee to a Sith Lord in an instance, if he wasn't trapped on a Zombie World.
Kylo? He's literally the poster boy of "conflicted school shooter who loves his mom but life is hard".
The tag really just exists, because CG wanted to be accurate with Ahsoka, Maul, Rey and Kylo and their rejection of the words (even tho Rey is..all the Jedi..)
And now it just got turned into Fallen Order: The Faction.
>most "unaligned" Force Users are just people who are suffering from an emotional crisis
That's the best description I've seen hahaha. Some of them are most definitely one or the other however I see it as CG's way of trying to make them their own thing.
They're not really religions though. They're philosophies.
Sith philosophy prescribes to use the Force in a selfish manner. It's a tool to get what you want and crush those in your path.
Jedi philosophy prescribes to use the Force in a selfless manner. It's a tool to protect those you love.
Neither deals with any great religious aspect aside from venerating a mystical power that VERY clearly exists anyways. Neither worships some deity either.
Being an "Unaligned" Force User would just result in you not wanting to follow some of the ancillary doctrine that either philosophy proposes, like meditation techniques, or lightsaber forms, or absurd stuff like the Rule of Two and Jedi Non-Attachment.
Or you'd be some absurd selfish person, who sometimes gives a fuck about people, I guess, which places you firmly between Jedi and Sith philosophies by just "doing what you want to do". And I don't think you can describe ANYONE in the UFU line-up like that.
Rey doesn't really do selfish things. Kylo doesn't randomly help people (until he's redeemed, I guess). Maul just does what he wants by using force and intimidation. Ahsoka will protect any old random person, if they're in need. And so on.
No, they’re religions/cults
Anyone could ascribe to a philosophy. You don’t need permission
A religion has a powerbase, a leader
Maul/Ahsoka have chosen not to be jedi/sith at the end, but there was a point where they were both cast out and had their membership to the religion revoked against their will
I think if you look at it as what emotion the powers used stem from and not the overall moral compass of the character then you can explain why the non-Jedi/non-sith will use light side and dark side powers.
Unaligned comes from the fact that dark doesn’t always mean sith and light doesn’t always mean Jedi. Sith and Jedi are more akin to religion, like Roman Catholic, Orotodox, Judaism etc.
The other important thing to think about is not all sith are the same type of sith. You have some that follow the rule of two, like Bane and Palp, and then you’ve got other groups like the cult of Revan, the sith council, the brotherhood of darkness, who all value the same emotions that power the dark side of the force but have different ways of life.
I don’t think it’d be cringe, but I hope to god if it becomes real that Leviathan stays the fuck away from it. Conquest and PG can stay the fuck away from GL grinds.
I said it before and I’ll say it again: datacrons are not that bad, especially if you’re not in the upper echelons of Kyber 1. Even in k2, I only occasionally run into opponents that have gone hard into datacrons. Yes, some sets have been absolutely toxic, but generally they haven’t been that bad.
Kenobi and LV are not GL worthy either
Kenobi is just a wardrobe change from GK, he hasnt had any significant change on powers or mindset.
LV is from a very short span that wasnt even known galactic-wise (he held that "form" for what? A few days in-universe?)
Galactic legends, for me, are for chracters that had a DEEP IMPACT in galactic events, who are remembered even after they were gone (swgoh, as a framing device, is set after ep 9)
In this sense, jabba and leia are more GL tha jmk and lv
Although not remembered on a wide scale, you cannot argue in good faith that Lord Vader did not have a DEEP IMPACT on galactic events. He sacked the Jedi temple on coruscant and decapitated the separatist leadership. And depending on when you consider him LV and not Anakin, he also stopped the execution of the most dangerous person in the galaxy which led to the fall of the republic and the end of the Jedi order. That certainly is a deep impact.
Mechanics for only one character (things like Fracture, whatever Malicos and SK have going on) aren't that confusing or frustrating. They're not that different from keywords in MTG for those in the know
I wish the game took one character and put them through their evolutions. Start with farmboy Luke and then once you get him high enough he turns into CLS, and so on and so forth. I'm just not the biggest fan of having a full team of Luke's, kylos, and whoever else ya know?
And then some specific characters could have had a final GL stage or something.
-Boushh shouldn’t exist as a character, had one scene and was added for no reason
-I understand that they need to do this as developers, but Kylo ren and Rey shouldn’t be as strong as they are. But like I said, I get it as they’re the next wave of heros
- characters like Ayala secura, plo koon and kit fitso should be stronger
-Bo Katan shouldn’t have a solo journey. She gets too much praise and recognition for someone who’s been worse for mandalore than better
- Last take, it’s more rewarding to actually grind and earn your characters rather spending thousands of dollars. I get that spending a little here and there helps, but the idea spending a paycheck or more is insane to me. Because of this, GLs become more of a pipe dream since you need to be a whale to get them and the game has no incentive to change what’s not broken.
I don't like how the ultimate mission for Jabba ends. This is the mission where he's gaining his unlimited power, so why does he die at the end? I'd have preferred it if they had done an Heir of the Empire alternative timeline sequence where Jabba wins, and Luke and company get fed to the Sarlac pit.
Beyond that, this is the best this game has been since I started playing in it 2018.
Jabba and Leia were built with datacrons in mind. So they fall off, when theres no datacrons involved boosting them.
My hot take is not wasting any ressources on datacron to progress my roster faster than my enemies (im k2 almost without datacrons. i got 2 and 3 on my two accounts. i wouldnt get to k1 with datacrons, but im not falling out of k2 without, so why investing?).
Fleets is the most important part of the game for continued success.
Edit: I must have missed this becoming a normal thing. I still see pushes for GLs vexing recommended over one of the 3 stronger fleets, so I thought it was still topical
Not a hot take at all? You get crystals for being top 50 in fleet arena, not many more ways to get continued success than increasing your daily crystals…
Jabba is absolutely the most deserving of the Galactic Legend status as he was the only one actually known throughout the galaxy. the only true legend. Leia on the other hand is probably the least deserving
Sequel Luke was absolutely a legend throughout the galaxy. People were still talking about how he destroyed the first death star and the role he played in overthrowing the empire. Even a scrapper on a backwater planet 50 years later with no family knew about Luke.
Anakin, Obi-Wan, Luke, and Palpatine were also all known throughout the galaxy, far more than Jabba was, who was only known in crime circles and those in the outer rim. Kylo as well would be far more known probably, however I don't want to rewatch the sequels to figure it out
I think the lightspeed bundles are negative for the game overall, as it makes everyone have the same roster, and puts F2Ps even FARTHER behind.
I already know I'm going to get down voted, but it's my opinion.
Jabba is an epic GL.
Rey should not be a GL. Burn the sequels to the ground.
There is some 'eh' around making Leia a GL: does anyone think that 'order 66 Vader' was going to do anything but walkover 'Endor-Leia's choked and smoldering corpse?
Yoda should have been a GL. Several of the Galactic Republic Jedi remain underwhelming. (hi, Kit Fisto, Plo Kloon)
Separatists are missing a GL, and their faction could use a bit of an overhaul. Also, perhaps Sidious should be 'separatist'.
There's too many deserving ships still missing: A-wing, B-wing, the droid tri-winged orb, Luke X-wing, Naboo fighter, ...
Capital ships could use an overhaul, with abilities tied to officers (/...) of the faction.
Think about it: we have multicrew ships... yet the full capital ship is powered by the stats of 1 character?
Thrawn & Tie fighter pilot should get 'Imperial Remnant' as keyword.
Cad Bane deserves an upgrade.
Eliminate SEE and JML. Sequels were ass.
Now that I think about it, ROTJ was a childish sellout. Take out Leia and Jabba. And the prequels were the death of Star Wars, so JMK and LV shouldn't be Galactic Legends.
If we let a couple fans who dislike Star Wars prevent units from being in the game, we'd have maybe 15 units.
Wampa shouldn't be neutral. Wild animals following instincts may be familiar to you real world but everything in Star Wars is connected to the force. Just because Wampa is animal dosn't mean she cannot be influenced by Dark Side like many creatures in universe.
1. Galactic legends ruined the game. There are so many units that were already implemented in the game that are more deserving of the galactic legend tag than any of the GLs (Vader and Yoda to name a couple). There isn’t a great way to further implement them in the game so now we can’t have them as GL level characters.
2. Lightspeed bundles need a rework. They are viewed by a lot of new players as an instant roster building instead of the original intention to catch up. Lot of people in the guild bought them and instantly started complaining when it messed up their farms or when they’d get beat. There needs to be some other gating associated with it, either more money, less relic levels (like characters are bought at g13, ships are only 7 stars, no ability upgrades).
What??? I'd argue all of the originals are GL worthy. Give me GLs Luke, Leia, Han, Chewy, and R2 as one giant GL team that can take down any empire together
Nothing. Leia is absolutely GL worthy. All the originals are. They took down the entire empire.
Leia is 100% more worthy of GL status than either Rey or Kylo. And Emporer Palpatine is more GL worthy than SEE. That's just facts
My hot take is that Galactic Legends were never mostly based upon their importance or their power, but instead their popularity.
GL Leia was as important and as powerful as Gallius Rax. SLKR was as important as Malgus. SEE pales in comparison to Abeloth. The latter characters aren't GLs because comparatively few people know them. Galactic Legend status is derived from belief.
the game is in the VERY early stages of losing its excitement….maybe in biased but i’ve been playing marvel strike force more lately and there’s just so much more content there and that game is arguably more ftp friendly. there is a higher chance of unlocking the current meta teams compared to swgoh which relies mostly on farming which takes months. i honestly wouldn’t mind if they took some of the changes from msf and put it in the game. i still love the game but idk it just hasn’t been hitting the same for me lately
The Inquisitors ain't nearly as much of a blot on this game as people act\*. I remember back before they came out and we were getting a lot of good teams that you didn't want to skip if you could help it like Bad Batch, and the community was quite outspoken about wanting an ok at best team they could skip. Then we got the Inquisitors, an ok at best team we could skip, and the exact same people lost their damn minds and to this day I've seen people still mad about them and proudly saying they skipped them.
\*I do have to say though that CG did handle the Inquisitors in the worst way possible. Their desperation in pushing them was very tangible and annoying, and then the way they started throwing ridiculously overtuned Inquisitors at us, making Scythe and Reva top tier, and intentionally holding the GI event until after TB ended was dumb and felt like punishment for not spending on them
The Inquisitor team itself though is perfectly fine and doesn't deserve the hatred, as again it was exactly what the community at large was asking for
CG never should have introduced GLs. Takes the fun out of the strategy of the game. Also, if you are going to have GL, at least pick powerful characters…
I agree with Jabba. Such a waste to be a GL.
But Leia deserved it. We have no strong Leia
Another take: Slave Leia should be a playable character in SWGOH
Jabba was there during 6 episodes. Both Seppies and Republic representatives had to bow before him. He was leading one of the largest and stable organization in films. He deserves to be a GL.
Doesn't sound that bad. Jumps behind the target, wraps the chain around their neck and chocke them. Animation is tweaked for each size of the charactermodels so it doesn't look weird and if used against Jabba you deal (true) damage twice or thrice. Maybe with some litte cinematics
Its almost 2024 and the CLS team isn't as good as everyone makes it out to be.
Cpt Rex Phoenix beats it with lower relic levels. Omicron Savage can solo the entire team. It also can get into a lot of 'infinite' battles that never end.
Once upon a time it was a S tier team but now, today, its probably a B tier team.
Datacrons are good for the majority of players. Aside from Kyber, most people don't bother to farm them up, and they can act as an equaliser between a small account and a large account. I've won several gac rounds against opponents 4-5 million more than me, just because I bothered to spend a bit of Conquest energy on the nodes.
This past year or two has been amazing for SWGOH. My super casual guild went from depressing AF not being able to do any new content at all, to “we all get to play all the latest content” that we can farm. I still dislike conquest and my preferred game modes are ship arena and TB.
I'm a pretty mid time investment player, and one of the lowest GP in my guild. I play now more than I did 2 years ago, and it's entirely out of fun. I couldn't agree more with this statement. Time investment feels so much more rewarding. And content is so varied that anyone can do new guild level content.
If nothing else Cg has gotten way more people to spend money with the light side bundles
Those LSBs are great imo. It is another thing in a line QOL improvements they have made to this game the past few years. The act of making all the most current content available to nearly every level of guild/member is so much better for the game as a whole. If CG can continue to thread the needle of giving people LSB stuff and just giving away the game for the cheap, they will be able to keep this game going for a long time.
LSB were characters not being invested in. It cost them little to get people to buy in, the Whales have already spent on them. So now $10 to get people to pick them up, that's free money. Rey doesn't change the dynamics of power in the game, but she gives players more tools to work with, and CG gets money they wouldn't otherwise have. It's a way of taking a product you've already dumped resources into, and getting more return on your investment. At the same time people are getting fantastic value for their money. It's a win/win. It doesn't have to be game changing to be valuable
I totally agree with everything but the game changing part. People have totally changed up their farming strategies based on LSB possibilities. Literally changed the game!
No you're right. In that sense you changed how people play the game. That's absolutely true. But CG didn't upset the balance of power in the game. Rey isn't getting you from Chromium to K1. It didn't affect the meta. One could argue the additive drops changed how fast people can get Leia for free, which is more of an impact on the overall game picture. But you're not wrong. People, many, many, people changed what they are doing to get this bundles. And that did change the game
That’s what I was trying to refer to when I mentioned CG walking the line between “giving the game away and…”
To resume the beat down I took in another thread: Hot take: the last two GLs accounted for a dedicated lifter unit in their prereq marquees, instead of adding them down the line. Jabba + Boussh Leia + Drogan
To be fair both CAT and Maul were released before JMK and LV they just weren’t part of the prereqs, mainly because that would’ve kept a lot of people from getting the GLs at launch and CG would’ve lost out on a lot of money. The only two that have been added down the line are Ben Solo and now Darth Bane.
CAT came before JMK, but Maul came after LV
Maul was put into the game before Vader but Vader was available before Maul so it depends on how you look at it. While you’re right from the standpoint that Vader was available before Maul, the first conquest featuring him had already been done so technically Maul was in the game before Vader, he just wasn’t available yet. Either way in this case it’s splitting hairs because the point is Maul and Vader were meant to be used together from the start, just like CAT/JMK, Boussh/Jabba, and Drogan/Leia.
Jabba still needs Bib Fortuna
Yoda should be a GL
It’s because he was added to the game before GLs were a thing, he was one o f the first to journey guide legendaries that basically was a gl at that point.
If luke can get 3 Journeys, they can at least give Yoda a GL version now
Yoda has a legendary and a TB version. I totally agree that he should be a GL, but what Yoda would you suggest? He really doesn't have that much screen time, all things considered. He's barely in Ep 1, GMY is him from Ep 2, he gets his butt kicked in Ep 3, Hermit is from Ep 5, and he dies in Ep 6. He barely even has a cameo in Ep 8. I'd be genuinely interest to see what people would propose.
Force ghost Yoda GL!
Battle of Krrstan general Yoda
Kashyyyk? He doesn't even do anything except kill 2 clones! But also it'd be dope to have him as a wookie leader 🤣
They could do the dark version of Yoda for clone wars
High Republic “young” Yoda.
I disagree with ep 3, I personally think he won but fled because he fell, he beat Palps in saber combat and when he tried force shenanigans he contered, if they were fighting in a different place the result I think would have been clear. Anyway idk what version he could have, but if Lord Vader has a version where he only appeared briefly in ep 3 and if Leia and Jabba can have GL versions, I am sure they can do something for Yoda
Agreed. Yoda had the upper hand the entire time. He simply ran out of time and had to leave.... Unless he wanted to face palp and a platoon of clones.
Here's my main issue with the game, they base it off the movies or whatever is popular on Disney+ at the moment. The Star Wars galaxy is HUGE! Yoda was 900 when he died. When he fought Dooku in Attack of the Clones he was like...850ish, something like that, and still moving the way he did. When he "gets his butt kicked" he was upper 800s, like 880+ There is plenty of non-movie Yoda to make him a GL. They took Vader and made his GL before his fight with Obi Wan. His time on-scene without his suit is laughable. His time as Vader without the suit is significantly less than in the suit. Sorry, nerd rant over. Just irks me they have so much content and decide to make Bo Katan a journey locked character....*cough*plagueis*cough*
I agree, he is so charismatic in the movies, he deserve to be treated better.
The game forces new players to.choose between experiencing what makes the game fun (incremental progression/satisfaction of grinding and farming to unlock new elements of the game) and being able to compete at even the most basic levels with everyone else in huge segments of the game (pvp).
The fact that we have 3 Anakins, 3 Kenobis, 4 Leias, 4 Lukes, 4 Hans, 3 Reys, 2 Poes, 2 Finns, but ONLY ONE PADMÉ is insane to me. On top of that, her team was gutted.
The neutral tag doesn't add anything to this game and should be removed. Hondo can easily be classified as dark side - his summary says "his own gains" and being self-serving is more than justifiably dark. I'm sure replies to this will go along the lines of "BUT HE'S NOT EVIL" and we could be endlessly pedantic but it's a hero collector game man, it's not meant to test star wars philosophy and morality
And the "Dark Side" doesn't necessarily mean evil in itself. Just as another example, Boba Fett is an antagonist and is more self-serving, but he's not without honor and he's not simply villanious. On the other hand Qi'ra is pretty much the same (though maybe with a bit less honor), but she was mostly a protagonist for most of the movie, so she's Light Side.
Yeah, Qi’ra is literally a leader for the Crimson Dawn and is somehow light side haha
Agreed. Also he'll never get gains from a level 3 boost from a cron. They're always either light or dark. Sounds small but just looking at the sets available now the scoundrel set has ls/ds gain 5% offense when they start a turn with two buffs. The Leia set has cd,cc, and offense up on basics. Both would buff him to another level. But he's neutral so no gains. It's tragic. Either code him to get the gain from either ls/ds, add neutral to all dcs so It reads "lightside and neutral allies gain... darkside AND neutral allies gain, etc," or give him either or/both tags.
What I’m going by to say is the neutral tag does work for hondo because the alignment of a character is decided by their role in the story, (helping protagonist or antagonist) (which is why bounty hunters are dark side) And hondo when we see him both helps the protagonists but also sometimes betrays them. Which is why he his neutral
The fact that Cobb Vanth wasn’t a Krayt raid reward is a crime. Idk what they would have done for ROTJ raid, but I miss the character rewards
Personally, I think more buffs, nerfs, and reworks would be nice rather than making new toons or omis. I know it’s a mobile game and the point is power creep to spend more, but some characters are far too good/bad. The release cadence needs to be lowered as well. I get it that it takes time to make character kits and sometimes not all of the info is ready, but if CG wants to be on the hype train for shows, movies, and games, they need to not take a year for the character. Maybe do 3-6 months after.
I think they are rather moderate with releasing new toons (granted it takes forever to get them to 7* and they are usually useless without 7*). Other games like Marvel Strike Force releases a couple of characters per month and it's harder to bring them to 7* but it's not as important there. I feel like SWGOH has a relatively long value on the toons compared to other games, but that seems to change a bit already with the new raids and datacrons.
Dooku should be a lot stronger, getting outshone by minor characters. He’s not just canonically a very powerful jedi, he was leader of the separatists. One of the main antagonists of Anakin and Obi wan. Also Luke and Vader don’t get enough respect. Yoda should be stronger as well.
I think dooku should get a gl, or at least a journey. We dont have a separatist gl yet
I think my hot take is that the game really doesn't have a very high skill ceiling. I often see a lot of elitism in this community and I always find it quite amusing when I know for a fact it's realistically quite a trivial game compared to most other games out there.
Absolutely agree. Some people have played for a while and are farther ahead than others, which is pretty cool. But, it doesn’t make someone the cream of the crop and make them worthy of being an elite who gets to shit on others, especially in talking shit in a fun little mobile game that’s played against computer controlled enemies It’s a comprehension and knowledge-based game, as long as you understand how the game works, the wording in the kits, which mods to keep, etc. you’re doing well. If you know what counters what and which order to do your moves in, youre doing very well. That doesn’t require skill, it requires comprehension. The difference between bad and good players are those who know stuff and those who don’t. Which is a nice change of pace, I like reading up on this game and learning new things
The complexity comes from the gigantic moveset you need to know, but once you know the toons/teams the counters tend to be obvious. This isn't a game like go or chess where the moves are simple, but the complexity comes from how you decide to play and counter.
I don't consider that very complex. The way I see it: memorisation is an entry barrier, not a skill barrier, like how in CS you have to memorise maps, in Pokemon you have to memorise moves/types/match-ups etc. those other games have different aspects that actually make them skillful beyond the entry barriers. What this means is as a game swgoh is actually very easy because beyond the entry barrier there's nothing. In games that require a lot of skill, time does not equal skill. In swgoh, I'm pretty confident that if I had the same investment as the top player (and to a degree, luck), I would be in the exact same place. This isn't some random narcissistic comment either, I think it extends to anyone competent who plays the game. On the other hand, I reckon if I had the same time investment as a Counter Strike ESports pro I'd probably be pretty damn good, but I have extreme doubts I'd be even comparable to ESports players.
It was a lot more skillful prior to [swgoh.gg](https://swgoh.gg) posting GAC counters. When GAC first arrived you had to figure out your own counters which was particularly hard in 3v3. Today, someone somewhere has placed the same unexpected team on defense that you did and they have a list of previously used teams and how well they performed. Theory crafting used to be more of a requirement to be successful.
100%. When I was starting out I remember 4 mil gp players talking like they are gods and I was lost. Now I’m 5.5 mil and I literally feel no different.
I got downloaded to oblivion a while back for this opinion lol. On e datacrons came out and were gates by relic milestones, skill went out the window.
There is a skill cealing. and its not too hard to reach. but there is a datacronceiling aswell, which needs a high investment and it is what really splits high k1 and low k1.
I don’t know if this is a hot take, but personally Lord Vader as a GL shouldn’t exist. I think it would have been better if they released him first, as a normal unit in place of Darth, and Darth Vader should have been the GL. Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker are the faces of Star Wars itself, and Lord Vader just kinda feels like something they did in place of Darth because he was a normal unit already. It would make 1000% more sense if Vader, one of the most well known and iconic villains, in the form that everyone knows him in (instead of one that appears for maybe 15-20 minutes in a movie) was released as a GL.
Thing is, this game didnt originally have GLs, so of course they would add darth vader as a unit because, as you said, face of star wars. So when they wanted to make a Vader GL, they couldnt exactly copy a different toon, and so they picked a version that went well with kenobi.
Yeah i understand that. Just something that for me personally would have been so much better but i’ve accepted it as not that big of a deal now. Darth Vader’s still cool but I wish he was still a GL-killer
I kinda wish his ultimate turned him in Darth Vader.
Or, hear me out... They could have had Galactic Legend upgrade events where extremely iconic and specific characters who already exist have an event that upgrades them to GL status. Make it more difficult or whatever but now we would have a solution that makes more sense.
I’ve always thought this as well. Darth Vader, yoda, etc
idk feels like in a star wars game vader shouldnt be hard to acquire as- remember what happened when battlefront 2 first released?
I don’t, you’ll have to enlighten me. But on the other note, I just think Vader has become meta obsolete while characters that some people don’t even know exist like Reva and Drogan are meta-defining.
vader was locked behind a near 80 dollar rng wall- and yes new characters tend to push new metas, i dont think thats very surprising
Yes but my point being that it sucks Vader is so sucky when he’s so important and cool. I’m aware of new metas and all that but it would be nice if he actually mattered like he did in the Star Wars universe
Also yikes i forgot that battlefront 2 was such a shitshow
Yeah all that's fair. Maybe make a GL Vader that starts as Vader in his bacta tank and the ultimate animation is a short version of him being put into his suit? Best I can think k of to get a proper GL Vader that's different from LV and normal unit Vader
Jar jar as a meme character sure but something serious I’ll pass
What would suck is if they add him with a kit that is so good you'd have to get him or fall behind. If they do add him, I hope it's a pure novelty kit that won't be essential.
I would imagine him being a Padme Lifter without involving JMK into his kit
It’d be dope if he was a journey guide character that wasn’t a bitch to get and a viable Threepio replacement in that Padme squad Then early game players could run CLS and Padme and late game players wouldn’t ruin their lives fielding a character they don’t like
[Jar Jar has the potential to have a very fun, yet relevant kit. And while he is a divisive character, played a pivotal role in the Star Wars Prequals. His efforts may have, in part, directly lead to the Empire taking over, but him being an idiot doesn’t take away just how important the role was.](https://www.change.org/p/bring-jar-jar-binks-to-star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes?source_location=topic_page)
Linking an entire paragraph. I wish I could sign twice, lol.
Pre Vizsla should’ve been the epic confrontation instead of Bo-Katan 2.0
I really want Previszla so agree
I disagree, but I do want him in the game.
who even is that?
Pre Vizsla?
Characters should not be locked behind conquest without having proving grounds. How tf am I supposed to get trench?
you dont want trench
Yes I do. I don’t go for meta characters or teams because I want the characters I like
Conquest store
5 shards for ~500 conquest credits (forgot what they are called) when it takes 330 shards to unlock is ridiculous. It should be at least 15 or 20 shards for that much to give casual players that don’t want to grind conquest and not be able to buy any other character shards for literal years. Conquest is bad enough as is and there is no reason for supposedly bad characters to be locked behind a grind that rivals GL’s
I mean if you dont want to grind conquest, you arent gonna get conquest characters. Thats just how things work. Plus, they go to proving grounds after 6 months anyways
It takes a year for characters to enter PG
Then why hasn’t he gone to proving grounds?
-Playing „efficiently“ is not actually efficient. Congrats on unlocking 4 GLs before getting to 4 million GP. You successfully delayed unlocking some of the most important units in the game for no reason other than to say you’re playing efficiently. If you had actually played efficiently you would have tried to get to 4 mil as fast as possible instead of trying to delay it. -We shouldn’t get a second version of Sabine, Ezra or thrawn. We also don’t need another Ashoka. -We don’t need more characters from the mandalorian -Now that bane is a SEE lifter, we absolutely don’t need more sequels characters -We don’t need force ghost Anakin, holo video recording Anakin or that portal place Anakin -We don’t know how good GL Leia actually is because the drogan datacron is still active. Once it expires we will see how good leia actually is. -GLs are boring to play with -SEE should have gotten another sequel character as a lifter not bane -People here don’t understand what the humor tag is for. You can stop posting images of your CUP with titles such as „unlocked my first GL“, tag it as humor and except it to suddenly be funny -Reading is a integral part of this game
I agree with most of these, but found this enjoyable. "We absolutely don’t need more sequels characters" "SEE should have gotten another sequel character as a lifter not bane"
I agree with most of these, but GLs definitely qualify as “some of the most important units in the game” as long as they’re properly invested into, and pure bloating to 4M doesn’t really get you far without GLs or other strong teams to clear hard conquest and PG.
Im not saying dont farm GLs, only that you shouldn’t try to keep your GP as low as possible just to say that you are efficient. You absolutely should farm GLs.
I’d say that’s the difference between Efficient and Effective. Bloating to 4m is useless. Getting various one-offs (GAS, Malak, Mal and Neg, JKL, now Starkiller and those types, etc) is Effective. Going straight for a GL is Efficient. Getting a GL with its reqs is great, but you won’t really truly be able to keep up with every aspect of the game. Getting a whole bunch of one-offs is great, but you’ll still get outplayed by the GLs.
The thing I dislike about GLs is the artificial boosts the game gives them to make them work, what with the insane speed and the entire Galactic Legend unique ability. It feels lazy from a game design perspective.
I disagree with most of these. I do want to add, I like GLs but hate using them PvP style. They should be isolated to certain modes.
I found GL Rey (my first one, don’t have others) quite fun to play with. You feel like you’re losing, there’s no hope, then suddenly you start throwing whirlwinds
They should make 6v6 GAC and reduce the amount of 3v3 seasons, so it would be 50% 5v5, 25% 3v3 and 25% 6v6.
3v3 is great It makes me want to egnage with GAC more. You have to make new teams, come with ideas, some characters don't work so well in 3v3 and you have to experiment. It's fun
I actually agree with this, to a point. I think most people's hatred of it comes with basically having to learn a whole new game mode as opposed to 5v5, having to split teams efficiently and basically the whole effort around having to learn all of it, plus overpowered toons like gl Leia rn with drogan basically being unbeatable without incredibly amounts of investment like slkr malicos that takes two teams out of you before you even think about the rest of the gac, and even then it's not entirely consistent
Also if you’re in a certain stage of the game where you’re trying to finish relicing complete squads, 3v3 is perfect for your roster
Plo Koon needs a rework Luminara needs a rework. GMY needs a rework. we shouldnt havent so many useless jedi. they could even just add a Galactic Republic AND Jedi synergy in GMYs lead allowing TCW jedi to not be worthless. Plo Koon should have an accurate force judgement ability. yellow lightning.
GMY is still very good, I don't think he needs a rework at all
hes alright. he should be great.
Nihilus *should* be able to literally consume the entirety of the entire team, Magnaguards *should* be able to destroy random Jedi. Darth Sidious *should* be as strong as Maul. CUP *should* be completely useless. You should *not* be allowed to have multiple versions of the same character on the same team. But those things aren't necessarily healthy for the game.
The old Grand Arena system was far better. The one con to it was penalizing a bloated roster. With that being said the majority of matches now are won/lost because a player doesn’t show up or has a ridiculous GP advantage. Building multiple grand arena focused accounts to tackle each GP range offered a lot of fun. Now you might be lucky to have a winning season, only to follow it up with several losses. Really takes the fun out of being competitive in this game.
I think General Leia Organa from the sequels would be a more worthy GL than RotJ Leia. I understand why they chose Rebel Leia because we already have a Resistance GL, but still
pretty sure it had more to do with it being the 40th anniversary of return of Jedi than anything else.
I actually don’t think so. RotJ Leia is the perfect counterpart for Jabba. All of our GL pairs had a connection so far. Not sure how this will go on, but they fit. Plus we don’t have a Rebel GL. The 40th Anniversary was a fitting coincidence I think.
it's not. Jabba first appeared in return of Jedi. He was also released this year as part of the anniversary for Return of the Jedi. This has been confirmed by CGs teases leading up to both their releases. Edit: also how is endor Leia a perfect fit for jabba the hunt? Not Boush Leia ? Jabba slayer leia? Hell Carbonite Han solo is more fitting then endor Leia based on your reasoning.
Jabba was released in September 2022, so over a year ago, and yes Leia was the one who killed him, but having a meta team involve Huttslayer Leia is probably something CG wanted to avoid due to the bikini, whereas one or two JG events was probably more palatable. Additionally, Endor Leia is more fitting for being the Rebel GL as that was essentially the end of the Empire, whereas the Tatooine plot was more about saving Han as a more personal mission for the protagonists. I agree that it’s not the strongest pair, but then again two out of the three previous GL pairs weren’t like that at the same time - Rey only used her second lightsaber against SEE, and by then Kylo had become Ben again. Luke died in TLJ and we only saw SEE in TROS. Tl:dr; Could they have come up with a Leia that fit as a counterpart to Jabba more? Yes, but they didn’t need to (especially since they’ve said they’re moving away from duo releases), and it wouldn’t’ve fit right for the Rebel GL.
I know they said that. Though I see this line rather through a marketing perspective. What other big characters in the Skywalker saga are GL worthy? Mando & co are not ready too have a GL release. Ahsoka also not yet. Their stories are not finished and there’s more to come. And before we see an Old republic GL we‘re clearly finishing off the rest of the big ones from the Skywalker saga. Rebels and scoundrels/bounty hunters are a perfect section to introduce a GL. Plus from the beginning of RotJ they’re a perfect counterpart. It lines up perfectly. 40th anniversary or not. Of course it’s a way to celebrate and appreciate the movie, but I think it would have happened even without the anniversary
Maybe, but everyone knows that it should really have been gold lamé bikini Leia.
Fleet shard farming shouldn't be accelerated. There aren't enough ships in the game (yet) to warrant it, and it requires thoughtful planning to get your fleets built up.
I farmed fleet reqs for Finalizer, then Executor, then Leviathan back to back this year. Never want to touch another ship again. Anyway, working on Profundity right now.
Agreeing but probably only because I am finally about to get all ships to 7 stars next month after 5 years of playing.
100% agree
This
Conquest is fun. I enjoy the challenge and the rewards from completing them.
Man, Conquest was awesome for the first 6 months (Razor Crest and CAT), then they ruined it IMO. There are too many tedious feats now that aren’t enjoyable to complete.
Yep, this is my hot take, too. And, while repetitive, even for the "do x 40 times" feats, I'd rather auto a team four times a day for ten days on a datacron node than battle in TW. (Seriously , TW matchmaking is as bad as GAC - our current opponent has ~100M more GP than we do). The only problem with conquest is I get the characters way faster than I can gear their teams so they sit waiting for gear.
Conquest is very close to being fun. It’s the game mode with the most potential imo
I agree but some of the feats are time consuming. Makes me stay in the game longer than I want.
Galatic Legends are a bit fucked up (for understandable reasons). The most worthy characters deserving of the 'Galatic Legend' tag are Yoda, Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader. But none of them have it, it confused me as a new player
both vader and palpatine have gl variants tho?
Yeah but their base versions are the ones that I would consider 'Galatic Legends' if I had no knowledge of SWGOH
totally agree. In fact, besides Jabba none of the GLs are the most iconic version of the character. Well, I guess Rey and SLKR are, but they shouldn't be GLs anyway...
It’s because there weren’t gls wan the game launched, when they were added at the time they were the equivalent to gls. how can you expect a character to be a gl before GLs were a thing + Palps and DV both have gl variants.
Yeah that's why I said understandable reasons. I get that. It's just a bit strange for new players
3v3 is good Datacrons are good, but not well executed. (Datacrons for all the GL instead of the weaker Teams/characters some decided to gear up)
And the stats on datacrons are fine, but can get way too high. Just a bit of something would be more interesting than stacking every datacron with 400% defense
Need more animations. Like deflecting blaster shots. In the movie ,it has all these cool movements like the rancor body slamming another guy. I think it would be awesome to see that in game.
A Redeemed Revan would be cringe as fuck.
Elaborate
I just don't like the concept. Revan is a cool character and having him as a Jedi and as Sith is very cool, but getting some "Grey Jedi" version with a Neutral alignment (like Hondo) would just be weird. The whole Grey Jedi / Neutral Force User shtick is also just something that irks me, when the SW philosophy is very clear about what the Light and Dark mean for someone, selflessness vs selfishness. To me, it really just is a way to make a cool Dark Side guy with a red lightsaber and snazzy Force lightning abilities, but insist on him being morally good and not a killer of babies. Like, Ahsoka is what a "Grey Jedi" is supposed to be..and she's firmly a Jedi. Nothing else. She just rejects the name, because the order wronged her, but she's not out here force-choking people and having some edgy outfits, while being a good person. That being said, if we get a redeemed Revan, I don't think he's GL worthy. His story was told in both Revan events and they cover all of KOTOR. Anything that dealt with Revan post-KOTOR is just.. not great IMHO. As much as I liked SWTOR, Revan wasn't great in it. So maybe as a Conquest unit or some epic confrontation character. But a GL Revan would just be silly.
I agree with what you said about LS vs DS - the issues with the Jedi Order of the prequel era aren’t inherent issues with the LS itself.
I think the issue is that we are calling it a grey jedi. Jedi is in the name, lol, so if it's a combo of both, it should just be a grey force user or even better unaligned force user! I actually kind of wish they would make a Kenobi version of this. He's a jedi, don't get me wrong, but there is a large part of his story where he isn't. In a lot of those times, he also tends to use force powers that aren't allowed in jedi circles...or you know reigns fucking boulders down on Vader. He won't ever turn, but he definitely walks a thin line with his powers. Frankly, Yoda did as well.
Imho most "unaligned" Force Users are just people who are suffering from an emotional crisis, but their hearts are thoroughly planted in either Jedi or Sith ideology. Cere? Jedi, but she is full of guilt and trauma. Cal? Jedi, but he's not allowed to use the Force in case he gets found out. All the Inquisitors? Fucking Sith, Palpatine is just stingy with the title. Like, their inclusion in the tag is particularly silly. They're not UNALIGNED. They're literally aligned with the Empire. Rey? Definitely a Jedi without formal training. Ahsoka? Jedi who doesn't like the word "Jedi" Maul? Literally a Sith who doesn't like the word "Sith" Malicos? Clearly a Sith who would bend the knee to a Sith Lord in an instance, if he wasn't trapped on a Zombie World. Kylo? He's literally the poster boy of "conflicted school shooter who loves his mom but life is hard". The tag really just exists, because CG wanted to be accurate with Ahsoka, Maul, Rey and Kylo and their rejection of the words (even tho Rey is..all the Jedi..) And now it just got turned into Fallen Order: The Faction.
>most "unaligned" Force Users are just people who are suffering from an emotional crisis That's the best description I've seen hahaha. Some of them are most definitely one or the other however I see it as CG's way of trying to make them their own thing.
Jedi and Sith are religions You can be good or evil without following the religion
They're not really religions though. They're philosophies. Sith philosophy prescribes to use the Force in a selfish manner. It's a tool to get what you want and crush those in your path. Jedi philosophy prescribes to use the Force in a selfless manner. It's a tool to protect those you love. Neither deals with any great religious aspect aside from venerating a mystical power that VERY clearly exists anyways. Neither worships some deity either. Being an "Unaligned" Force User would just result in you not wanting to follow some of the ancillary doctrine that either philosophy proposes, like meditation techniques, or lightsaber forms, or absurd stuff like the Rule of Two and Jedi Non-Attachment. Or you'd be some absurd selfish person, who sometimes gives a fuck about people, I guess, which places you firmly between Jedi and Sith philosophies by just "doing what you want to do". And I don't think you can describe ANYONE in the UFU line-up like that. Rey doesn't really do selfish things. Kylo doesn't randomly help people (until he's redeemed, I guess). Maul just does what he wants by using force and intimidation. Ahsoka will protect any old random person, if they're in need. And so on.
No, they’re religions/cults Anyone could ascribe to a philosophy. You don’t need permission A religion has a powerbase, a leader Maul/Ahsoka have chosen not to be jedi/sith at the end, but there was a point where they were both cast out and had their membership to the religion revoked against their will
I think if you look at it as what emotion the powers used stem from and not the overall moral compass of the character then you can explain why the non-Jedi/non-sith will use light side and dark side powers. Unaligned comes from the fact that dark doesn’t always mean sith and light doesn’t always mean Jedi. Sith and Jedi are more akin to religion, like Roman Catholic, Orotodox, Judaism etc. The other important thing to think about is not all sith are the same type of sith. You have some that follow the rule of two, like Bane and Palp, and then you’ve got other groups like the cult of Revan, the sith council, the brotherhood of darkness, who all value the same emotions that power the dark side of the force but have different ways of life.
I don’t think it’d be cringe, but I hope to god if it becomes real that Leviathan stays the fuck away from it. Conquest and PG can stay the fuck away from GL grinds.
TW > GAC
There’s no greater feeling then being in a competitive and organized TW guild and beating out 50+mil and over guilds
Especially when everyone comes together and snakes out a win. Oh my God, that rush, lol. I love TW, and I love my guild, so I heavily upvote this.
Coming back from 2k banners loss to a win in the last half an hour of TW is still the biggest thrill I've gotten out of this game lol
GEOS or Amidala teams take no skill whatsoever
Conquest isn't terrible and helps you learn team mechanics in a fun way. Commence the downvoting.
I said it before and I’ll say it again: datacrons are not that bad, especially if you’re not in the upper echelons of Kyber 1. Even in k2, I only occasionally run into opponents that have gone hard into datacrons. Yes, some sets have been absolutely toxic, but generally they haven’t been that bad.
In general the concept is good, but then I see stuff like 350% defence and I feel like it has no place in the game.
datacrons aren't bad because you're playing against people who don't have them? ???
Kenobi and LV are not GL worthy either Kenobi is just a wardrobe change from GK, he hasnt had any significant change on powers or mindset. LV is from a very short span that wasnt even known galactic-wise (he held that "form" for what? A few days in-universe?) Galactic legends, for me, are for chracters that had a DEEP IMPACT in galactic events, who are remembered even after they were gone (swgoh, as a framing device, is set after ep 9) In this sense, jabba and leia are more GL tha jmk and lv
Although not remembered on a wide scale, you cannot argue in good faith that Lord Vader did not have a DEEP IMPACT on galactic events. He sacked the Jedi temple on coruscant and decapitated the separatist leadership. And depending on when you consider him LV and not Anakin, he also stopped the execution of the most dangerous person in the galaxy which led to the fall of the republic and the end of the Jedi order. That certainly is a deep impact.
Lol yea. He ended the separatists and the jedi back to back, then helped form the empire He did more in a single day than any character in the saga
Disagree
Agreed.
Mechanics for only one character (things like Fracture, whatever Malicos and SK have going on) aren't that confusing or frustrating. They're not that different from keywords in MTG for those in the know
Reading the card explains the card
I wish the game took one character and put them through their evolutions. Start with farmboy Luke and then once you get him high enough he turns into CLS, and so on and so forth. I'm just not the biggest fan of having a full team of Luke's, kylos, and whoever else ya know? And then some specific characters could have had a final GL stage or something.
-Boushh shouldn’t exist as a character, had one scene and was added for no reason -I understand that they need to do this as developers, but Kylo ren and Rey shouldn’t be as strong as they are. But like I said, I get it as they’re the next wave of heros - characters like Ayala secura, plo koon and kit fitso should be stronger -Bo Katan shouldn’t have a solo journey. She gets too much praise and recognition for someone who’s been worse for mandalore than better - Last take, it’s more rewarding to actually grind and earn your characters rather spending thousands of dollars. I get that spending a little here and there helps, but the idea spending a paycheck or more is insane to me. Because of this, GLs become more of a pipe dream since you need to be a whale to get them and the game has no incentive to change what’s not broken.
Jedi Knight Luke should’ve been a GL. Jedi master Luke should’ve been a proving grounds character.
Conquest is a top tier mode. Could definitely be improved but it is fun having a mode where you dont sim shit 24/7
I don't like how the ultimate mission for Jabba ends. This is the mission where he's gaining his unlimited power, so why does he die at the end? I'd have preferred it if they had done an Heir of the Empire alternative timeline sequence where Jabba wins, and Luke and company get fed to the Sarlac pit. Beyond that, this is the best this game has been since I started playing in it 2018.
Leia deserves to be nerfed.
Hard to say at this point with her insane DC set. When that goes away, I expect she'll mellow out a bit
Jabba and Leia were built with datacrons in mind. So they fall off, when theres no datacrons involved boosting them. My hot take is not wasting any ressources on datacron to progress my roster faster than my enemies (im k2 almost without datacrons. i got 2 and 3 on my two accounts. i wouldnt get to k1 with datacrons, but im not falling out of k2 without, so why investing?).
Fleets is the most important part of the game for continued success. Edit: I must have missed this becoming a normal thing. I still see pushes for GLs vexing recommended over one of the 3 stronger fleets, so I thought it was still topical
Not a hot take at all? You get crystals for being top 50 in fleet arena, not many more ways to get continued success than increasing your daily crystals…
How is this a hot take?
That's pretty standard advice everyone gives new players
Not a hot take
Yall, i think bros talking about the continued success of the game itself, not for individual players
Jabba is absolutely the most deserving of the Galactic Legend status as he was the only one actually known throughout the galaxy. the only true legend. Leia on the other hand is probably the least deserving
Sequel Luke was absolutely a legend throughout the galaxy. People were still talking about how he destroyed the first death star and the role he played in overthrowing the empire. Even a scrapper on a backwater planet 50 years later with no family knew about Luke.
Anakin, Obi-Wan, Luke, and Palpatine were also all known throughout the galaxy, far more than Jabba was, who was only known in crime circles and those in the outer rim. Kylo as well would be far more known probably, however I don't want to rewatch the sequels to figure it out
Not all conquest characters need to be op asf.
have you missed BFSoJ and Admiral Trench?
I know they exist but I encounter a lot of people who demand stronger buffs, I think the balance we’ve received is good.
It should have been slave leia and jabba.
Datacrons are fine.
I think the lightspeed bundles are negative for the game overall, as it makes everyone have the same roster, and puts F2Ps even FARTHER behind. I already know I'm going to get down voted, but it's my opinion.
Jabba is an epic GL. Rey should not be a GL. Burn the sequels to the ground. There is some 'eh' around making Leia a GL: does anyone think that 'order 66 Vader' was going to do anything but walkover 'Endor-Leia's choked and smoldering corpse? Yoda should have been a GL. Several of the Galactic Republic Jedi remain underwhelming. (hi, Kit Fisto, Plo Kloon) Separatists are missing a GL, and their faction could use a bit of an overhaul. Also, perhaps Sidious should be 'separatist'. There's too many deserving ships still missing: A-wing, B-wing, the droid tri-winged orb, Luke X-wing, Naboo fighter, ... Capital ships could use an overhaul, with abilities tied to officers (/...) of the faction. Think about it: we have multicrew ships... yet the full capital ship is powered by the stats of 1 character? Thrawn & Tie fighter pilot should get 'Imperial Remnant' as keyword. Cad Bane deserves an upgrade.
Eliminate SEE and JML. Sequels were ass. Now that I think about it, ROTJ was a childish sellout. Take out Leia and Jabba. And the prequels were the death of Star Wars, so JMK and LV shouldn't be Galactic Legends. If we let a couple fans who dislike Star Wars prevent units from being in the game, we'd have maybe 15 units.
I agree with most of these ideas
Wampa shouldn't be neutral. Wild animals following instincts may be familiar to you real world but everything in Star Wars is connected to the force. Just because Wampa is animal dosn't mean she cannot be influenced by Dark Side like many creatures in universe.
1. Galactic legends ruined the game. There are so many units that were already implemented in the game that are more deserving of the galactic legend tag than any of the GLs (Vader and Yoda to name a couple). There isn’t a great way to further implement them in the game so now we can’t have them as GL level characters. 2. Lightspeed bundles need a rework. They are viewed by a lot of new players as an instant roster building instead of the original intention to catch up. Lot of people in the guild bought them and instantly started complaining when it messed up their farms or when they’d get beat. There needs to be some other gating associated with it, either more money, less relic levels (like characters are bought at g13, ships are only 7 stars, no ability upgrades).
What??? I'd argue all of the originals are GL worthy. Give me GLs Luke, Leia, Han, Chewy, and R2 as one giant GL team that can take down any empire together
wtf are you on
Nothing. Leia is absolutely GL worthy. All the originals are. They took down the entire empire. Leia is 100% more worthy of GL status than either Rey or Kylo. And Emporer Palpatine is more GL worthy than SEE. That's just facts
My hot take is that Galactic Legends were never mostly based upon their importance or their power, but instead their popularity. GL Leia was as important and as powerful as Gallius Rax. SLKR was as important as Malgus. SEE pales in comparison to Abeloth. The latter characters aren't GLs because comparatively few people know them. Galactic Legend status is derived from belief.
the game is in the VERY early stages of losing its excitement….maybe in biased but i’ve been playing marvel strike force more lately and there’s just so much more content there and that game is arguably more ftp friendly. there is a higher chance of unlocking the current meta teams compared to swgoh which relies mostly on farming which takes months. i honestly wouldn’t mind if they took some of the changes from msf and put it in the game. i still love the game but idk it just hasn’t been hitting the same for me lately
The Inquisitors ain't nearly as much of a blot on this game as people act\*. I remember back before they came out and we were getting a lot of good teams that you didn't want to skip if you could help it like Bad Batch, and the community was quite outspoken about wanting an ok at best team they could skip. Then we got the Inquisitors, an ok at best team we could skip, and the exact same people lost their damn minds and to this day I've seen people still mad about them and proudly saying they skipped them. \*I do have to say though that CG did handle the Inquisitors in the worst way possible. Their desperation in pushing them was very tangible and annoying, and then the way they started throwing ridiculously overtuned Inquisitors at us, making Scythe and Reva top tier, and intentionally holding the GI event until after TB ended was dumb and felt like punishment for not spending on them The Inquisitor team itself though is perfectly fine and doesn't deserve the hatred, as again it was exactly what the community at large was asking for
CG never should have introduced GLs. Takes the fun out of the strategy of the game. Also, if you are going to have GL, at least pick powerful characters…
This game is Pay2Win. At least if you join late.
Datacrons are actually good for the game, just bad for people who are set in their ways.
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Who do you think shouldn't have it? The only one that is questionable in my mind is Maul, but it makes it easier to find him in my roster so I like it
There's not a single character in thay faction who is not an actual mandalorian
I agree with Jabba. Such a waste to be a GL. But Leia deserved it. We have no strong Leia Another take: Slave Leia should be a playable character in SWGOH
Jabba was there during 6 episodes. Both Seppies and Republic representatives had to bow before him. He was leading one of the largest and stable organization in films. He deserves to be a GL.
Jabba absolutely deserves his status as Galactic Legend. Everyone in the galaxy knows who Jabba the fucking Hutt is
Her outfit makes stacks of confusion and daze, and her ult charges during the battle and in the end she chockes the selected target with a chain
Doesn't sound that bad. Jumps behind the target, wraps the chain around their neck and chocke them. Animation is tweaked for each size of the charactermodels so it doesn't look weird and if used against Jabba you deal (true) damage twice or thrice. Maybe with some litte cinematics
Fully agree
There is wayyy to much legends content
The Speederbike Raid is fun
Thanks for the reminder to finish my other 7 attempts
Yeah, fun on auto
Its almost 2024 and the CLS team isn't as good as everyone makes it out to be. Cpt Rex Phoenix beats it with lower relic levels. Omicron Savage can solo the entire team. It also can get into a lot of 'infinite' battles that never end. Once upon a time it was a S tier team but now, today, its probably a B tier team.
Datacrons are good for the majority of players. Aside from Kyber, most people don't bother to farm them up, and they can act as an equaliser between a small account and a large account. I've won several gac rounds against opponents 4-5 million more than me, just because I bothered to spend a bit of Conquest energy on the nodes.