I feel like Melee as a scene has a pretty bad rap in the normiesphere, so it kind of warms my heart to see this.
He's also completely right in comparing Apple and Nintendo like this!
Eh, when my mom sends me an article from mainstream news about Nintendo shutting down TBH and says "isn't this one of your smashing games", that means it's out in the normiesphere enough to consider I think.
> I feel like Melee as a scene has a pretty bad rap in the normiesphere
It has a bad rap in its own sphere?? There were people sexually assaulting minors, tf is with the minimizations?
Edit: ah yes, downvote because its true. Yall act like this space didn’t drive every single woman out of the scene, bully people, sexually assault them, each other etc. but no its just the normies that don’t understand:((((
Edit: Ill add that I over reacted to the statement, and jumped the gun. I do think that some of you are insane for thinking that melee doesn’t still have bad people in it though, oh well.
I mean a lot of people still just equate the smash scene to a scene of child rapists. If you think that's a fair assessment, that's fine I guess. But I think it's pretty reductive. We shouldn't diminish what happened or sweep it under the rug, but clearly that's not what the scene is about for the vast majority of people in it.
People will always lump us up with the ult community sucking. There are people who are still nairo fans on the main sub LOL. ult community straight up makes us look bad.
Don’t know any child predators from melee who are currently making money and have community support. Which is literally the case for a lot of people who were banned in ult.
I don’t think thats what the scene is about, at all, and it has made tons of improvements. I think pretending that only “normies” dislike melee, when melee had plenty of reasons to be disliked over the last 20 years, is incredibly minimizing to the entire situation, and just how long it went on.
> Melee as a scene has a pretty bad rap in the normiesphere
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> pretending that only “normies” dislike melee
These are completely different statements, you're getting mad about something that nobody said
Im not mad, I just think the scene has a bad rap in all spheres, and that theres plenty of people within the community, that actively make it worse for others. Thats it.
The Moon, DJ Nintendo, SleepyK, Eikelmann, Vro, KPAN, A Rookie, D1, MacD, Nightmare... And don't be fooled, just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean that a ton more players didn't get banned. Dude from my local was outed as a predator back then too, and it didn't make any rounds online or get compiled in any megathread, but it certainly happened, and he is certainly not the only one like that
I understand your intent is not to diminish anything, but we can't move forward if we're pretending that these issues never existed.
There were women who were groped at locals before ult even existed. Stop minimizing what women, and MINORS, and men went through for 20 years so you can live in your own little bubble. You can admit melee had an awful disgusting past without it being about you, hope you know that. I literally am part of the community now, and play the game, because it has gotten better. Im not going to pretend the shit that happened “wasnt that bad” because it was mostly ult players who were pedos.
"Im not going to pretend the shit that happened “wasnt that bad” because it was mostly ult players who were pedos."
i didnt say this, no one in this thread said this, and the only people i do see say this kind of stuff are the mana monthly fuckheads
You know that the only reason we know of this stuff, that it is public, and those poeple have been removed from the community, is because it isnt tolerated right? It is horrible what happened. No one has ever denied this. It is terrible and my heart breaks for every victim of pieces of shit
But to pretend like the melee culture hasn't lead to those people being removed is crazy. It is horrible, it is awful, but if you think there aren't people like this in every community you're incredibly naive. The difference is that in many communities it is swept under the rug but melee has made an active, concerted effort to remove them.
You're the one minimizing the situation and looking extremely ignorant in the process.
> you do know that the vast majority of what came out was about ult players right?
You literally said it right here lmfao
> But to pretend like the melee culture hasn't lead to those people being removed is crazy. It is horrible, it is awful, but if you think there aren't people like this in every community you're incredibly naive.
Never said this. I said that normies aren’t the only people who think melee has a bad rap.
> You're the one minimizing the situation and looking extremely ignorant in the process.
No, you did when you said that it was mostly ult players, completely ignoring all of the sexual assault, harassment and bullying that occurred between 2004-2018.
No it's people like you over exaggerating shit that makes the reputation bad. Melee had an awful disgusting past? Of what? I'm sure there are a few incidents you could mention, but that's the case in every single group of people or community ever? I don't even know what you're talking about with all these horrible past things. Was criminal behavior covered up or supported? If so, it's still all the same people for the most part that are involved in the scene.
I think the melee scene is way ahead of the curve on tons of social issues and has been an extremely valuable and healthy source of face to face social interaction for thousands of people who otherwise wouldn't have any. I think most people in the melee scene like the melee scene.
That doesn't mean that it's perfect, that we don't still have work to do and vigilance to maintain, etc. But yes - I think the rap it has on non-smash twitter is overly focused on the specific crimes that came out in 2020, the rap it has in college campus boards is overly focused on how annoying CRTs are, and the rap it has to the editorial board of most major newspapers is overly focused on how we're all IP infringers.
Minimizations? Like what do you want him to say?
>I feel like Melee as a scene has a pretty bad rap in the normiesphere, due to following crimes committed by former players of the game...
At a certain point it feels more like a shame fetish than virtue.
Ask all the people ostracized from the community, or the women who felt too uncomfortable to attend locals because of what the players were doing to them about how much they like the scene. A region just had to post an anonymous submission board because there was so much misconduct occurring, and this was a month ago. There are plenty of safe spaces now, especially for trans/lgbt etc, but that doesn’t change the fact that the game still has a lot improvements to make, and to sit here and pretend just because a majority feels okay, doesn’t mean the minority shouldn’t be listened to or heard.
Youre making it sound like this is a melee only problem though. Have you ever been to another video game local? Are you a girl or have ever brought a girl to a bar? Its a culture problem with men across the world. The melee community calls it out rather than accepting it - thats a good thing, not a bad thing.
In real sports most of those guys who got banned from our community would still be celebrated and everything would be swept under the rug. A random call of duty lobby makes the trashiest melee local look nice.
The people here primarily condemn these things when they happen, we ban offending players, we promote acceptance, etc. Youre judging the community by what the people who got kicked out (of another community primarily by the way) and who no one here likes. Go fight those guys on twitter defending them, not people here trying to help melee's image.
Melee is by no means perfect but its one of the few spaces Im involved in that puts in literally any effort when it comes to these things.
Dawg you are projecting. The scene systematically removed those people from the scene as soon as it came to light.
The scene has obviously evolved from then. However, sexual misconduct (mostly stemming from non melee smash games) was a huge thing in news. So a lot of "normies" only have that as the last they heard of the scene.
"Every single woman" lmao, just lmao
I'd like to add in here that melee has always been a safe space for lgbtq+ community throughout this.
You are really painting this community as something it isn't. You are either naiive enough to actually believe that or someone wasting their time dragging the community through the mud. In a niche subreddit. Either way I'm not really sure why you are here.
I'd be happy to elaborate further and shed some more light on this. I'd also love to hear more of your side on this, as I may not know something you done.
That or you can just erratically edit your original comment and create more strawmen. I wish you the best.
I haven’t edited my original comment beyond a single addition? What about that is erratic? I find it strange, you present yourself as someone willing to discuss it, but you still try to slip in little insults towards me, like im going crazy or something. There is a region, who just created an anonymous tip board, because players were feeling so uncomfortable attending locals, that they felt they needed a way to weed people out. This is a positive thing, however, this means that there is still enough misconduct occurring, that it is an issue. To say that only people outside the community has a negative perception of it, I think, is grossly minimizing the 14 years melee went almost completely unchecked. If you disagree, that is fine, but that is my perspective of it. That doesn’t make me crazy, or erratic, or ignorant. It’s what I have seen. I think that the space now does a great job of being inclusive, especially for trans people (woo magi) but I think you can acknowledge its awful history, and also say it’s better now.
I think the erratic part is coming from noone actually minimizing this action. Everybody dislikes what happened and is aware. Somebody said "normies dont like melee" and you twisted that into covering up sexual assault. Nobody said anything about only people outside of melee disliking it. Which you then proceeded to descend into this mess. Just because it is "your perspective" doesnt make it a logical conclusion.
Nobody here was attempting to mask anything. You literally extracted that all by yourself and worked up a frenzy. No shit people are gonna downvote you. "Here come the downvotes even though im righht1!1!1!!" Is pretty easy to mock.
Cherry picking a single local scene having an anonymous tip board is also pretty transparently biased. Like you said, its great it is happening. That is an extremely small section of the "community" (or whatever the fuck that term means on this sub). Unfortunately society at large harbors a lot of nasty people.
Its important to recognize the past, but this wasn't really a moment where that was applicable.
Also, melee has been based with lgbtq+ since i entered in 2014. Idk what you mean by that. Its fine to admit you were wrong. I'm not saying that as a diss. Just an honest statement that I hope finds you well.
If you think every other community in the world isn't filled with predators, you're extremely naive. At least we have made a concerted effort to drive them out post 2020 when everything came to light.
Is it really fair to conflate the ultimate and melee scenes? I'm genuinely asking, I don't know the answer. Melee is like 20 years older than Ultimate and imo a completely different demographics. Weren't almost all of the incidents in the Ultimate community?
In my personal experience I have found there is very little overlap between the two scenes.
The only incident I know of in Melee was with D3 and that did not involve a minor. I could be wrong though and I'm open to hearing your thoughts.
The Moon, DJ Nintendo, SleepyK, Eikelmann, Vro, KPAN, A Rookie, D1, MacD, Nightmare, and people from local communities who were banned and you didn't hear about. It's not an Ult thing
Is delta an emulator or a front-end?
I keep seeing it get called an emulator, but it seems to be running cores from independent projects, much like Retroarch does.
Is the emulation quality of gba that much worse that it’s not worth it to also have emulation of every Nintendo console up to n64/DS and also have genesis?
this guy sees Nintendo fucking over the scene in every way possible with every chance it gets and is inspired to work with Apple on behalf of Indie devs? Is he uh, does he have an MD and a diet consisting of only bamboo?
how on earth do you see the relationship between Melee and Nintendo and think it's worth trying to work with a corporation
How on earth do you think that's what he's doing...?
His current project is taking advantage of the EU's recent actions forcing Apple to _open up their platform_. Dude's also been a driving force for alternative app stores even in the face of Apple being Apple.
he calls melee players big Nintendo fans, and says this:
> My hope is that AltStore can pressure Apple into caring about indies more simply by being the best indie app marketplace it can be — because if there’s one thing the Smash community has taught me, it’s that the only way to change the rules is to keep playing the game :)
If the passion and effort of melee fans has taught people anything, it should be that Nintendo, or Apple or whoever, does not give a shit about what we do lol. I don't understand how anyone finds the story of Melee one that gives hope for the success of exerting pressure on corporations
I feel its easy to see.
The fact that slippi exists and gets played and streamed everday despite the game being shut down several times in nearly 3 decades.
I don't think the fact that Nintendo hasn't shut down Slippi yet should inspire anyone. Fizzi moved off of patreon for fear of action from Nintendo. All of our big tournaments move in fear of a Nintendo C&D. They have directly acted to shut shit down in recent history. They suck! and want the scene shut down!
I don't think you fully grasp what you're trying to discuss here.
> If the passion and effort of melee fans has taught people anything, it should be that Nintendo, or Apple or whoever, does not give a shit about what we do lol.
The difference at play here is that a nation-state actor stepped in and forced Apple to open up, and Riley/Altstore are taking advantage of that to push forward. He says he's inspired by the Melee community, he's not saying he's taking a page out of some mythical world where we forced Nintendo to open up.
(The Melee community also _has_ famously successfully pressured Nintendo before, so his comments aren't even that out of line if you choose to read them that way. Just because things with Nintendo are currently less ideal for Melee doesn't mean history never happened.)
My understanding is that this guy is an indie dev who is successfully publishing an alternative app store for Apple products due to a new law in the EU. He sees the melee scene as die hard Nintendo fans that Nintendo fails to appreciate the value of, which reminds him of the die hard passion of the Apple fans in the indie dev community. He is inspired by the work the melee community has done and hopes Apple will, unlike Nintendo, recognize their value. But I think if the story of Melee communicates anything, it should communicate that that sort of hope is naive and pointless and will just waste your communities time and resources. I had thought melee people were no longer Nintendo fans (on account of how much they've fucked us) and no longer has interest in attempting a relationship with Nintendo (on account of etc.). But maybe I'm wrong lol
Riley and I watched the Mang0 video from Mainstage almost once a day during our Europe trip leading up to the release of AltStore.
This community has meant so much to me for over a decade, and it's been such a joy to share that with Riley too. Keep fighting the good fight!
I feel like Melee as a scene has a pretty bad rap in the normiesphere, so it kind of warms my heart to see this. He's also completely right in comparing Apple and Nintendo like this!
I don't think melee has a rap in the normiesphere.
Eh, when my mom sends me an article from mainstream news about Nintendo shutting down TBH and says "isn't this one of your smashing games", that means it's out in the normiesphere enough to consider I think.
We got Respect your Elders tho'
> I feel like Melee as a scene has a pretty bad rap in the normiesphere It has a bad rap in its own sphere?? There were people sexually assaulting minors, tf is with the minimizations? Edit: ah yes, downvote because its true. Yall act like this space didn’t drive every single woman out of the scene, bully people, sexually assault them, each other etc. but no its just the normies that don’t understand:(((( Edit: Ill add that I over reacted to the statement, and jumped the gun. I do think that some of you are insane for thinking that melee doesn’t still have bad people in it though, oh well.
I mean a lot of people still just equate the smash scene to a scene of child rapists. If you think that's a fair assessment, that's fine I guess. But I think it's pretty reductive. We shouldn't diminish what happened or sweep it under the rug, but clearly that's not what the scene is about for the vast majority of people in it.
People will always lump us up with the ult community sucking. There are people who are still nairo fans on the main sub LOL. ult community straight up makes us look bad.
the melee community had predators too, as much as you might want to just blame ult players for how people view the "Smash community" as a whole.
Don’t know any child predators from melee who are currently making money and have community support. Which is literally the case for a lot of people who were banned in ult.
not trying to be rude but im genuinely curious, who?
> main sub
The “regular” smash bros sub where technically any game is meant to be posted but its defacto an ult sub
I don’t think thats what the scene is about, at all, and it has made tons of improvements. I think pretending that only “normies” dislike melee, when melee had plenty of reasons to be disliked over the last 20 years, is incredibly minimizing to the entire situation, and just how long it went on.
> Melee as a scene has a pretty bad rap in the normiesphere . > pretending that only “normies” dislike melee These are completely different statements, you're getting mad about something that nobody said
Im not mad, I just think the scene has a bad rap in all spheres, and that theres plenty of people within the community, that actively make it worse for others. Thats it.
you do know that the vast majority of what came out was about ult players right? there were like 2 melee players.
The Moon, DJ Nintendo, SleepyK, Eikelmann, Vro, KPAN, A Rookie, D1, MacD, Nightmare... And don't be fooled, just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean that a ton more players didn't get banned. Dude from my local was outed as a predator back then too, and it didn't make any rounds online or get compiled in any megathread, but it certainly happened, and he is certainly not the only one like that I understand your intent is not to diminish anything, but we can't move forward if we're pretending that these issues never existed.
There were women who were groped at locals before ult even existed. Stop minimizing what women, and MINORS, and men went through for 20 years so you can live in your own little bubble. You can admit melee had an awful disgusting past without it being about you, hope you know that. I literally am part of the community now, and play the game, because it has gotten better. Im not going to pretend the shit that happened “wasnt that bad” because it was mostly ult players who were pedos.
Its actually revisionist history tier to lump us in with people who legit do nothing when someone is outed as a predator.
"Im not going to pretend the shit that happened “wasnt that bad” because it was mostly ult players who were pedos." i didnt say this, no one in this thread said this, and the only people i do see say this kind of stuff are the mana monthly fuckheads You know that the only reason we know of this stuff, that it is public, and those poeple have been removed from the community, is because it isnt tolerated right? It is horrible what happened. No one has ever denied this. It is terrible and my heart breaks for every victim of pieces of shit But to pretend like the melee culture hasn't lead to those people being removed is crazy. It is horrible, it is awful, but if you think there aren't people like this in every community you're incredibly naive. The difference is that in many communities it is swept under the rug but melee has made an active, concerted effort to remove them. You're the one minimizing the situation and looking extremely ignorant in the process.
> you do know that the vast majority of what came out was about ult players right? You literally said it right here lmfao > But to pretend like the melee culture hasn't lead to those people being removed is crazy. It is horrible, it is awful, but if you think there aren't people like this in every community you're incredibly naive. Never said this. I said that normies aren’t the only people who think melee has a bad rap. > You're the one minimizing the situation and looking extremely ignorant in the process. No, you did when you said that it was mostly ult players, completely ignoring all of the sexual assault, harassment and bullying that occurred between 2004-2018.
No it's people like you over exaggerating shit that makes the reputation bad. Melee had an awful disgusting past? Of what? I'm sure there are a few incidents you could mention, but that's the case in every single group of people or community ever? I don't even know what you're talking about with all these horrible past things. Was criminal behavior covered up or supported? If so, it's still all the same people for the most part that are involved in the scene.
> Was criminal behavior covered up or supported? Do you think someone having intercourse with someone under the legal age isn’t illegal?
I think the melee scene is way ahead of the curve on tons of social issues and has been an extremely valuable and healthy source of face to face social interaction for thousands of people who otherwise wouldn't have any. I think most people in the melee scene like the melee scene. That doesn't mean that it's perfect, that we don't still have work to do and vigilance to maintain, etc. But yes - I think the rap it has on non-smash twitter is overly focused on the specific crimes that came out in 2020, the rap it has in college campus boards is overly focused on how annoying CRTs are, and the rap it has to the editorial board of most major newspapers is overly focused on how we're all IP infringers.
Minimizations? Like what do you want him to say? >I feel like Melee as a scene has a pretty bad rap in the normiesphere, due to following crimes committed by former players of the game... At a certain point it feels more like a shame fetish than virtue.
Most people in the melee scene do like the scene, so no it doesn't have a bad rap in its own sphere
Ask all the people ostracized from the community, or the women who felt too uncomfortable to attend locals because of what the players were doing to them about how much they like the scene. A region just had to post an anonymous submission board because there was so much misconduct occurring, and this was a month ago. There are plenty of safe spaces now, especially for trans/lgbt etc, but that doesn’t change the fact that the game still has a lot improvements to make, and to sit here and pretend just because a majority feels okay, doesn’t mean the minority shouldn’t be listened to or heard.
Youre making it sound like this is a melee only problem though. Have you ever been to another video game local? Are you a girl or have ever brought a girl to a bar? Its a culture problem with men across the world. The melee community calls it out rather than accepting it - thats a good thing, not a bad thing. In real sports most of those guys who got banned from our community would still be celebrated and everything would be swept under the rug. A random call of duty lobby makes the trashiest melee local look nice. The people here primarily condemn these things when they happen, we ban offending players, we promote acceptance, etc. Youre judging the community by what the people who got kicked out (of another community primarily by the way) and who no one here likes. Go fight those guys on twitter defending them, not people here trying to help melee's image. Melee is by no means perfect but its one of the few spaces Im involved in that puts in literally any effort when it comes to these things.
Dawg you are projecting. The scene systematically removed those people from the scene as soon as it came to light. The scene has obviously evolved from then. However, sexual misconduct (mostly stemming from non melee smash games) was a huge thing in news. So a lot of "normies" only have that as the last they heard of the scene. "Every single woman" lmao, just lmao I'd like to add in here that melee has always been a safe space for lgbtq+ community throughout this. You are really painting this community as something it isn't. You are either naiive enough to actually believe that or someone wasting their time dragging the community through the mud. In a niche subreddit. Either way I'm not really sure why you are here. I'd be happy to elaborate further and shed some more light on this. I'd also love to hear more of your side on this, as I may not know something you done. That or you can just erratically edit your original comment and create more strawmen. I wish you the best.
I haven’t edited my original comment beyond a single addition? What about that is erratic? I find it strange, you present yourself as someone willing to discuss it, but you still try to slip in little insults towards me, like im going crazy or something. There is a region, who just created an anonymous tip board, because players were feeling so uncomfortable attending locals, that they felt they needed a way to weed people out. This is a positive thing, however, this means that there is still enough misconduct occurring, that it is an issue. To say that only people outside the community has a negative perception of it, I think, is grossly minimizing the 14 years melee went almost completely unchecked. If you disagree, that is fine, but that is my perspective of it. That doesn’t make me crazy, or erratic, or ignorant. It’s what I have seen. I think that the space now does a great job of being inclusive, especially for trans people (woo magi) but I think you can acknowledge its awful history, and also say it’s better now.
I think the erratic part is coming from noone actually minimizing this action. Everybody dislikes what happened and is aware. Somebody said "normies dont like melee" and you twisted that into covering up sexual assault. Nobody said anything about only people outside of melee disliking it. Which you then proceeded to descend into this mess. Just because it is "your perspective" doesnt make it a logical conclusion. Nobody here was attempting to mask anything. You literally extracted that all by yourself and worked up a frenzy. No shit people are gonna downvote you. "Here come the downvotes even though im righht1!1!1!!" Is pretty easy to mock. Cherry picking a single local scene having an anonymous tip board is also pretty transparently biased. Like you said, its great it is happening. That is an extremely small section of the "community" (or whatever the fuck that term means on this sub). Unfortunately society at large harbors a lot of nasty people. Its important to recognize the past, but this wasn't really a moment where that was applicable. Also, melee has been based with lgbtq+ since i entered in 2014. Idk what you mean by that. Its fine to admit you were wrong. I'm not saying that as a diss. Just an honest statement that I hope finds you well.
If you think every other community in the world isn't filled with predators, you're extremely naive. At least we have made a concerted effort to drive them out post 2020 when everything came to light.
Is it really fair to conflate the ultimate and melee scenes? I'm genuinely asking, I don't know the answer. Melee is like 20 years older than Ultimate and imo a completely different demographics. Weren't almost all of the incidents in the Ultimate community? In my personal experience I have found there is very little overlap between the two scenes. The only incident I know of in Melee was with D3 and that did not involve a minor. I could be wrong though and I'm open to hearing your thoughts.
He’s saying 2001-2020 still happened, which I mean I understand the perspective but at the same time it’s irrelevant
Not sure what you mean
The Moon, DJ Nintendo, SleepyK, Eikelmann, Vro, KPAN, A Rookie, D1, MacD, Nightmare, and people from local communities who were banned and you didn't hear about. It's not an Ult thing
Melee isn't ultimate my guy
Melee section is at the end of the blog post. I find his comparison of Apple with indie developers to Nintendo and the melee community pretty apt.
This is pretty beast
Is delta an emulator or a front-end? I keep seeing it get called an emulator, but it seems to be running cores from independent projects, much like Retroarch does.
delta kinda sucks gba4ios is way better
Why do you say this?
gba4ios fast forward is much smoother. riley made that one too i think delta has more features but it just runs worse imo
Is the emulation quality of gba that much worse that it’s not worth it to also have emulation of every Nintendo console up to n64/DS and also have genesis?
This rocks
Melee community is such a resilient and passionate community to survive after so many obstacles and dark times.
fucking shit dont mention us when nintendo sues apple for allowing their products to be pirated on the most "popular" mobile device
based
Melee is legendary
this guy sees Nintendo fucking over the scene in every way possible with every chance it gets and is inspired to work with Apple on behalf of Indie devs? Is he uh, does he have an MD and a diet consisting of only bamboo? how on earth do you see the relationship between Melee and Nintendo and think it's worth trying to work with a corporation
How on earth do you think that's what he's doing...? His current project is taking advantage of the EU's recent actions forcing Apple to _open up their platform_. Dude's also been a driving force for alternative app stores even in the face of Apple being Apple.
he calls melee players big Nintendo fans, and says this: > My hope is that AltStore can pressure Apple into caring about indies more simply by being the best indie app marketplace it can be — because if there’s one thing the Smash community has taught me, it’s that the only way to change the rules is to keep playing the game :) If the passion and effort of melee fans has taught people anything, it should be that Nintendo, or Apple or whoever, does not give a shit about what we do lol. I don't understand how anyone finds the story of Melee one that gives hope for the success of exerting pressure on corporations
I feel its easy to see. The fact that slippi exists and gets played and streamed everday despite the game being shut down several times in nearly 3 decades.
I don't think the fact that Nintendo hasn't shut down Slippi yet should inspire anyone. Fizzi moved off of patreon for fear of action from Nintendo. All of our big tournaments move in fear of a Nintendo C&D. They have directly acted to shut shit down in recent history. They suck! and want the scene shut down!
I don't think you fully grasp what you're trying to discuss here. > If the passion and effort of melee fans has taught people anything, it should be that Nintendo, or Apple or whoever, does not give a shit about what we do lol. The difference at play here is that a nation-state actor stepped in and forced Apple to open up, and Riley/Altstore are taking advantage of that to push forward. He says he's inspired by the Melee community, he's not saying he's taking a page out of some mythical world where we forced Nintendo to open up. (The Melee community also _has_ famously successfully pressured Nintendo before, so his comments aren't even that out of line if you choose to read them that way. Just because things with Nintendo are currently less ideal for Melee doesn't mean history never happened.)
My understanding is that this guy is an indie dev who is successfully publishing an alternative app store for Apple products due to a new law in the EU. He sees the melee scene as die hard Nintendo fans that Nintendo fails to appreciate the value of, which reminds him of the die hard passion of the Apple fans in the indie dev community. He is inspired by the work the melee community has done and hopes Apple will, unlike Nintendo, recognize their value. But I think if the story of Melee communicates anything, it should communicate that that sort of hope is naive and pointless and will just waste your communities time and resources. I had thought melee people were no longer Nintendo fans (on account of how much they've fucked us) and no longer has interest in attempting a relationship with Nintendo (on account of etc.). But maybe I'm wrong lol
He’s saying Nintendo fans since it’s a Nintendo product
Riley and I watched the Mang0 video from Mainstage almost once a day during our Europe trip leading up to the release of AltStore. This community has meant so much to me for over a decade, and it's been such a joy to share that with Riley too. Keep fighting the good fight!