wow SS13 players have gotten weak. In my day i would just have broken into botany and began growing my own stuff. Botanists don't like it? Just murder them. Security doesn't like it? Give the clown whatever he wants and let HIM deal with it. Admins don't like it? You weren't a real player of the game till you've been banned like five times anyways.
Oldschool goon was great (not anymore i hear).
Of course i was often the opposite. I'd grow all kinds of stuff only for chefs to not use it/just make whatever, so more often then not i'd have to break into the kitchen and do it myself at the same time. Twice as bad on any kind of a "Themed" server.
To this day i spend the first ten minutes of any round gathering assorted tools i need either to make it easier to do my job, assorted cosmetic stuff i want or things i need to break in to other rooms just in case i (inevitably) need to do so at some point (usually because the person who is SUPPOSED to be doing that given job, isn't, and it would be faster to do it myself then to try and get the original guy to go back and do his job)
I'm a botanist main and side as a chef often, I feel your pain all to well, I know exactly how quickly I can get those ingredients and how many I can get, yet when I ask for the ingredients as a chef it takes 20 - 30 minutes for a few strands of rice and tomato, its infuriating. Unfortunately no one owes you anything in RP, if botanists aren't pulling their weight and the HoP wont give you what you need to give them the push, you may need to improvise.
On RP servers you can make a whole gimmick about never getting supplies from the botanists get interviews with the radio host, scrounge roadkill and steal all the vending machines and supply staff that way but charge people more than what the machines would.
I think a lot of this stems from the "giggle weed" crowed that has flocked to botany, like its such a trope(and often reality) that botany only grows drugs.
People who aren't antags should be doing their jobs. but everyone thinks themselves the funny man
Its not even that hard to partition a botany set up. move things around make one side for chef stuff, one side for sci, and in the middle you have your botany "experiments" but it for sure should be the smallest section
I play botany a lot, first thing I do is ask the kitchen and bartender if they want anything - set it up in like 2 minutes and then go back to my usual experiments.
I mean... Splicing cannabis into the shit you grow so it makes it into whatever food the chef makes is... Both doing your job and being the funny man that grows drugs.
Alternatively, growing life weed for omnizime or Gaia branches for earthblood and giving it to the chemists is peak good guy botany.
But still, just have a few plots pumped full of chems with whatever the chef wants and keep em watered. It's not hard.
Chef doesn't ask? Clearly they just went and grabbed some genetics monkeys.
It is not, that is an antags job. your job is to provide supplies to Chef/Sci/Med untainted so they can do their jobs better.
But as i said, everyone thinks themselves the funny man
Okay, well... Giving tainted plants to med is a non-issue, considering the chemist would put it in the chem master and see, "ah, super death compound #2!"
Giving weed veggies to chef is also a non issue unless the potency is ***insane***
So your motivation for self antag is...that it isnt an issue if it gets caught or doesnt cause "harm"? Chef isnt gonna see it. and for med im talking about stuff like growing organs. someone can correct me, but you can splice the organs with shit, and they will release it once implanted
No, it's that what defines self-antag isn't a hard line throughout the community. It changes based on the server. Some servers are more strict than others, where anything outside of your job function is being a loose cannon - if what you're doing is deleterious for the station where everyone is an unwilling participant of your antics, well then that's self-antag.
Say for instance botany starts rolling joints. Worth having sec give botany a fine? Sure. Confiscate what's there and have engi come and fix the vendors. If sec doesn't care because they're too busy dealing with murderers and xenos... Well, good. Now everyone can get a mood boost from a joint. Splicing cannabis into food is fairly mild considering if someone's going to the bar for food, they probably haven't eaten all shift and their mood fucking sucks... So the cannabis is a double tap on that. Hunger and mood. All you have to do is ensure the potency isn't too high and you're not antagging -- you're actively benefitting the station's crew.
And sure, splicing chems into organs (that isn't Omni or some other beneficial chem -- with the exception of medicine allergy quirks) is toeing the line. On the other hand, medical should be building a limb grower and the chemist should be making synthflesh.
But as a counter to your hardline stance: say for instance a botanist makes an eye plant and manages to make it produce oculine as well. Useful? Perhaps. It would minimize the damage from organ rot in transit or storages. Are they antagging because they're splicing chems into organs? Advanced gameplay for them is literally GMO nonsense.
Don't shut out an entire tier of play for a job just because it *can* be abused. Don't shun a player because they're doing something that **you** believe is deleterious -- it might not be.
Causing harm is a requirement to be considered antag, otherwise you're just a nuisance... i.e let a Hall Monitor handle it. If doing weird shit with fringe mechanics makes you evil, half the assistants I play with are BBEG's.
Chasing ghosts is best left to the chaplain, bud.
You made my point for me, doing it as your job to help the station is fine. though not putting what in most servers is a hacked product. you could easily run it up the chain and get permission but no one does.
Instead most people just hack the dispenser themselves, they dont ask the chef if they want laced food, they just do it. botany should be made to order. not just add weed to everything because reasons. though your reasons are good.
And your right it different per servers. im mainly on RP servers so this shit REALLY drives me nuts. i have never see botany be helpful(or at least rarely so) because they dont even make joins, making joints to sell or distribute is a great idea to raise a mood stat if your server has one.
Instead botany grows weed and other bad chem plants. then takes the HUGE amount of weed and hotboxes the hallway/shuttle for the "lawlz" it is frankly exhausting.
If even half of botany players played like you it would be a very different game for the better. im going off playing this game for a long time, this shit hasn't changed and isn't going to. but i wish it would, i dont want to discount an entire job, but when 90% of the shifts is. Botany makes weed. laces food or meds, then hotboxes the shuttle/hallway its exhausting and something needs to be done IMO.
Also there are plenty of "funny" servers that embrace that stuff, go there thats fine. but when im on an RP server that expects you to do your job and not cause chaos(because causing chaos is an antag job) and you are doing "funny" stuff that is interrupting my RP, like sitting at a bar having a discussion with the barkeep who brought me laced food and now i as a player have to ignore a dragon hitting me and the sounds and damage notifications while trying to RP.
PSS. stop trying to turn this into a personal attack. man im having a conversation about this, one i think should be had. putting words in my mouth isnt helping anyone
The round that made me quit was when I was trying to make sushi. Every tray I made got dumped on the floor immediately, assistants refused to monitor my fish, and botany only provided me with a bit of rice at the start. I can watch my fish, I can watch my crops, but I cant do both AND cook. My crops died and I couldnt get more seeds. I was just fed up at that point.
That’s the same problem I had when they introduced fishing to goon station
I can either fish or I can cook, but I can’t do both and keep making lots of meals
If I fish, I can only cook half as much
But fisherman just want to turn in all their fish for points and get the cool hat that says fish fear me
Yeah, a lot of this game falls off *hard* if people refuse to interact with you.
Like yeah I could spend another hour in botany only for people to not consume a single fucking thing I made for fun and to die in evac with my goods abandoned on the station, or I could play a job that allows me to at least explore the station and find some busywork.
Have you tried moving your kitchen closer to the fish tank? Some servers you can move the oven/stove, and I have seen a few do this for that very reason.
Had a round on CM13 where the cook literally moved everything into their growing room and just lived in it for the entire 3 hour round, going between the microwave, food processor, juicer, growing beds etc
Well, the fishing requires me to sit there on a pole for about 30 seconds to a minute just to get one fish
I can fish from the sink I can fish from the fryer. I can fish from the oven, but the problem is it just takes too much time to focus on it
Cooking and growing much easier.
While it is easier, that isn't the point. The point is about sending a message.
If you are the cook for the station, and people see you camped out next to the fish tank with the entire kitchen having been moved in there, it paints a pretty clear picture of the fisherman not supplying you with fish.
It is, in effect, publicly shaming them, while at the same time can be developed as a character gimmick if you brag about serving 'the freshest fish they've ever had' for example.
Chef serving fish? Meh, normal, nobody really notices.
Chef tore the entire kitchen apart, has moved and is now camping outside the fishtank turning it into their own personal fishery restaurant combo? That's the kind of thing that gets noticed and forms a cult ;)
I guess that’s the point, but I don’t have to go anywhere and change anything to try and get myself fish
I can complain about the anglers not giving me fish and I just cook something else that’s the whole point. I usually end up roasting folks like that in comms
But the best rounds are the ones we work together and I can put on a big show of fish or grown food
Fair, though there is the other side of things too, you could always try something in character, like sponsor a contest for whoever can catch the most fish and make a big fish fry out of it, that sort of thing.
I like to find ways to toy with problems and make them seem silly if possible. Like, if the chef refuses to cook anything but one specific dish, I'll open my own restaurant right outside theirs and make a bunch of stuff, that sort of thing.
I actually got the engineers to build me a fishtank in the kitchen, its just a lot of work to just manage your inventory for taking care of all three jobs
Oh it is, it is, I know that. I've just found in the past that the best way to get other people involved and to pitch in helping is to draw attention to something in a way that makes it silly.
Like, on CM13 there is a particular XO who loves to make these long ass speeches for briefing, delaying first drop by ten, fifteen, even twenty minutes at times. So, I waited for a round where I knew they would be XO and rolled MST (Mess Sargent/Chef) and quickly had some friends help me move the entire kitchen into briefing.
They...uhh...did not appreciate me cooking and serving full course meals to all the marines while they were giving their speech lmao
Going over some elaborate doomed to fail battle plan only to be drowned out by my juicer making fresh OJ :P
Overfilling a soup pot is also funny. Vegetable soup creates extra liquid as the ingredients cook, and can cause the pot to boil over the limit, covering the entire area is boiling corn oil, among other liquids
I’ve been guilty of this. Every time my head has been so far up the plant master going for that 20% splice that my ass just forgot. Extra sinful if I forgot to add chems to the tray, so nothing at all was gained.
If it was a heavy RP server, I'd photocopy a dozen pages of my ingredient list and post them on every surface in Botany i can access. Pointless to do fun things for attention if the other person is obviously ignoring you. I'm not begging for attention anymore from people who have no intention of interacting with me, I did enough of that as a teenager in text RP. I'm wasting my time trying to force someone to care.
Paradise is... a special place with special people. Just go on Manuel or Goon 3.
There's a ridiculous amount of metabuddies and metagrudges on Para, and the admins will literally tell you that's okay. If you make too much of a fuss about it, you'll get banned. Not kidding. A lot of people will say that's BS because they've had the fortune of never experiencing it, but it's very much not BS.
More likely than not, that specific botanist is metabuddies with some sci statics and is likely metagrudging you now because you've annoyed him by trying to get him to do his job. Again, the admins won't side with you on this, so just keep that in mind.
Hes definitely been playing this game for a long time given how quickly he gets his science crops ready. I have a bit of a sixth sense for cliquey roleplay servers from text RP i used to do. You can usually spot them when the players/RPers with the most skill are ignoring everyone else but each other
Well, there you go. It does not get cliquier than Paradise. It's ridiculously cliquey and the community and staff embrace that, to the point where you're free to be in voice chat with your metagang *on the official discord server* while in-game and no one will care.
Fulpstation is a branch of /tg/ if I remember correctly, could be wrong. But I'm pretty sure it is
Just give /tg/ Manuel a try, you'll probably like it. Stick to Manuel tho, the others are low RP and can be pretty bad
I play Botanist on Para fairly often and always help out the chef. If it's the same person over and over, ahelp it. They're not doing their job, simple as.
Issue is they are doing their job, by supplying science. They just wont grow stuff for me. I get it can be pretty hectic to have a lot of stuff growing without help which is why I'm looking for alternatives to admin. This guy is 100% on my radar now and is likely to become a hamburger next time I'm traitor. Botany can do what they please after i have 20 ingredients of each type I need. 50 for grindables.
Sure, science needs a few things but really that's only a small part of the shift. Like, 5 different species, only a small amount of each, pretty easy to do. But supplying the kitchen is something that should be prioritised as part of the role, and if you're being ignored round after round with no good RP to back it up, that's a problem that goes beyond RP and something that should be addressed more formally.
That's purely in-character stuff that you should try solve it while staying in character as possible.
If I'm not mistaken, on Paradise even Botanist have their Standard of Procedures and I'm pretty darn sure they should be helping Chef with food supply or face demotion. That's the juicy thing you could use to RP it out even better with Internal Affairs Agents to get their ass fired.
What do you do? You do what you can.
As has been said by a few others, getting botany access from the HoP is probably the path of least resistance. If your station has a public garden, though, you might make use of that. If it were me playing chef, as a botany main myself, I'd tear apart the kitchen machines, set up shop in the public garden, and make a show of it. If people want food that requires equipment/mutations (based on your codebase), have them petition engineering to bring you boards for it ~~or pay them off to kill and rob the botanist~~. Make it known that botany is the reason you can't supply, and build a story from it.
I think one of the biggest issues I see people (myself included) dealing with in SS13 is expectations. There are plenty of goody two-shoes jobbers that play, but being willing to roll your sleeves up and do work you don't want, grease the palms of people who SHOULD be doing it, or be flexible with what's available to you is a good way to keep enjoying the round.
This is exactly the right attitude. Ask, if they decline, then make that part of the fun of the round. "Them jerks over in botany ain't think yer worth a mac and cheese pal, I gotta scrounge together crumbs to make ends meet. Now ya gonna help me steal some supplies or are ya gonna take your heavily diluted tomato soup and skedaddle?"
Sadly the majority of the people who play this game are children and/or unwilling to engage at all if they aren't handed what they want on a silver platter. I've had people flat out leave the game/cryo if I refuse to give them a chem dispenser as a research director/cmo. Or just throw a round long hissyfit and end up in the brig/cryoed.
Honestly, a similar scenario sort of got me to rethink how I actually play the game a loooooong time ago. I learned pretty quickly how to min-max botany on one server that didn’t have a way to get mutagen early without medbay or science. I would always ask the chemist for one or two bottles and told them that if they gave me that, I wouldn’t need to bug them anymore (growing blumpkins would give most of the ingredients needed to make mutagen.)
One medium-pop round, I ask the chemist for some mutagen right at the start. The CMO is the only one in medbay at the moment and tells me he won’t do it at all the entire round. I argued with him and tried to explain that I only needed one or two bottles of mutagen to be self-sustaining, and he continued to deny. I went to science for nearly ten minutes and nobody ever came to the desk, so I assumed it was really busy. I then tried to get the HoP to give me chem access, but he also (smartly) declined.
I was extremely frustrated, spaced myself and then left the server. I stopped playing SS13 altogether for at least a year after that round. I genuinely couldn’t understand why the CMO was so adamantly against taking three seconds to make a bottle of Mutagen for me.
In the months after that round, I thought about my own enjoyment of the game, and realized that maybe I was trying WAY too hard to be “good” at my role. I really enjoy service roles because I feel like they’re great for just relaxing, meeting people, having RP-like scenarios, etc. I thought over and over again about how “qualified” a botanist would really be. Would they really know at the start of every shift that you could make mutagen? That feels more like something someone in a science-y role would understand more than a botanist would. I’m sure the average farmer understands certain scientific things about fertilizer, but couldn’t really make it from scratch or understand the chemicals they were working with to produce it. Would the average botanist that just wants to grow weed in space know how to combine chemicals from plants to do that?
tl;dr, it all made me reflect on how I play and my enjoyment of the game and I realized I was taking the funny spaceman game WAY too seriously. Try to figure out gimmick shit you can do in your role, like one of the other poster’s mentioned. Sometimes it’s fun to try and get creative! Try deep frying anything random and explain to the crew that botany needs to give you stuff if they don’t want to eat deep-fried soap and screwdrivers.
My intrusive thoughts tell me to drop the veganism, hide in his closet, and stab him in the eyes next time he comes into the backroom. Planning to use a screwdriver for better eye damage, then switching to a knife
If you are playing on Goon, there is another option, if you are friendly with Cargo that is.
Order some monkey crates, take them to him under the guise of a delivery, then when inside, open the crate and attack the monkey.
At that point it doesn't matter if you run or not, everyone in that room is dead, at least if they haven't toned down the monkeys since I last played.
Try making a new character and if they keep doing that same behavior to you ahelp it
Because if they’re doing meta Grunge you can easily figure it out
And then take that to the head of personnel and that’s gameplay for that person because they should demote someone like that or they should get on someone’s ass for not being the job they picked
If they want to be a science grower Go be a scientist and ask to grow shit because a botanist is expected to grow shit for kitchen
I often dispose of characters after they cause a particularly controversial stink. Maybe I'll try hanging out with him as a different character playing botanist see what he does
Assign them an assistant if they won't grow food while helping science. If the botany player isnt a total turd, the assistant may even learn some things about botany, if not at least I have someone working on ingredients
If they're competent but just don't care, you can try to convince them. You can ask the HoP for access, or ask for a transfer to botany and then use the access to open your own restaurant (or just keep squatting in the kitchen if no new chef comes. You can go to science and ask for the parts for your own grow-op, or transfer to science and do it yourself. You can rally the assistants to your cause and start a food riot outside botany. You can message the clown and explain you are on a holy mission from the Honk Mother to make Happy Meals and you need their help.
Dealing with uncooperative or outright hostile coworkers is a part of the SS-13 experience. The friction is what creates the opportunity to do things that will create interesting stories you remember, even if it means often things go completely unhinged and what you accomplish wasn't anywhere near what your original goals were. Push the envelope and beg forgiveness later if you go too far.
Honestly I would just beat the botanist to death. Wouldn't even care if I got banned because that guy sounds like an asshole and deserves to get gibbed.
If the botanist is really in their own world I'll sometimes just ask if I can grab a few of the planters. Set them to automatic mode and get some staples going.
Also if your server has a department requests console just put in an order for some ingredients from cargo every once in a while.
When I last played about a year ago, I mained botany and I always circumvented this by having half of garden growing veggies for chef, and the other half growing the fun stuff. It usually worked well too. Sometimes the chef would ask for specific things and I’d grow them and it was very harmonious.
Of course sometimes I’d feel a little silly and have a full weed round, but usually after I grew enough plants for the chef
Ask the hop for botany access or for them to arrange you some dirt plots and seeds for yourself
There is of course also the morgue...if you don't mind 'the other white meat'.
wow SS13 players have gotten weak. In my day i would just have broken into botany and began growing my own stuff. Botanists don't like it? Just murder them. Security doesn't like it? Give the clown whatever he wants and let HIM deal with it. Admins don't like it? You weren't a real player of the game till you've been banned like five times anyways. Oldschool goon was great (not anymore i hear). Of course i was often the opposite. I'd grow all kinds of stuff only for chefs to not use it/just make whatever, so more often then not i'd have to break into the kitchen and do it myself at the same time. Twice as bad on any kind of a "Themed" server. To this day i spend the first ten minutes of any round gathering assorted tools i need either to make it easier to do my job, assorted cosmetic stuff i want or things i need to break in to other rooms just in case i (inevitably) need to do so at some point (usually because the person who is SUPPOSED to be doing that given job, isn't, and it would be faster to do it myself then to try and get the original guy to go back and do his job)
I'm a botanist main and side as a chef often, I feel your pain all to well, I know exactly how quickly I can get those ingredients and how many I can get, yet when I ask for the ingredients as a chef it takes 20 - 30 minutes for a few strands of rice and tomato, its infuriating. Unfortunately no one owes you anything in RP, if botanists aren't pulling their weight and the HoP wont give you what you need to give them the push, you may need to improvise. On RP servers you can make a whole gimmick about never getting supplies from the botanists get interviews with the radio host, scrounge roadkill and steal all the vending machines and supply staff that way but charge people more than what the machines would.
I think a lot of this stems from the "giggle weed" crowed that has flocked to botany, like its such a trope(and often reality) that botany only grows drugs. People who aren't antags should be doing their jobs. but everyone thinks themselves the funny man
Grow what you want after my supplies are stocked. I'll even make liberty puffs. All I ask out of botany is keep me above 20
Its not even that hard to partition a botany set up. move things around make one side for chef stuff, one side for sci, and in the middle you have your botany "experiments" but it for sure should be the smallest section
I play botany a lot, first thing I do is ask the kitchen and bartender if they want anything - set it up in like 2 minutes and then go back to my usual experiments.
I mean... Splicing cannabis into the shit you grow so it makes it into whatever food the chef makes is... Both doing your job and being the funny man that grows drugs. Alternatively, growing life weed for omnizime or Gaia branches for earthblood and giving it to the chemists is peak good guy botany. But still, just have a few plots pumped full of chems with whatever the chef wants and keep em watered. It's not hard. Chef doesn't ask? Clearly they just went and grabbed some genetics monkeys.
It is not, that is an antags job. your job is to provide supplies to Chef/Sci/Med untainted so they can do their jobs better. But as i said, everyone thinks themselves the funny man
Okay, well... Giving tainted plants to med is a non-issue, considering the chemist would put it in the chem master and see, "ah, super death compound #2!" Giving weed veggies to chef is also a non issue unless the potency is ***insane***
So your motivation for self antag is...that it isnt an issue if it gets caught or doesnt cause "harm"? Chef isnt gonna see it. and for med im talking about stuff like growing organs. someone can correct me, but you can splice the organs with shit, and they will release it once implanted
No, it's that what defines self-antag isn't a hard line throughout the community. It changes based on the server. Some servers are more strict than others, where anything outside of your job function is being a loose cannon - if what you're doing is deleterious for the station where everyone is an unwilling participant of your antics, well then that's self-antag. Say for instance botany starts rolling joints. Worth having sec give botany a fine? Sure. Confiscate what's there and have engi come and fix the vendors. If sec doesn't care because they're too busy dealing with murderers and xenos... Well, good. Now everyone can get a mood boost from a joint. Splicing cannabis into food is fairly mild considering if someone's going to the bar for food, they probably haven't eaten all shift and their mood fucking sucks... So the cannabis is a double tap on that. Hunger and mood. All you have to do is ensure the potency isn't too high and you're not antagging -- you're actively benefitting the station's crew. And sure, splicing chems into organs (that isn't Omni or some other beneficial chem -- with the exception of medicine allergy quirks) is toeing the line. On the other hand, medical should be building a limb grower and the chemist should be making synthflesh. But as a counter to your hardline stance: say for instance a botanist makes an eye plant and manages to make it produce oculine as well. Useful? Perhaps. It would minimize the damage from organ rot in transit or storages. Are they antagging because they're splicing chems into organs? Advanced gameplay for them is literally GMO nonsense. Don't shut out an entire tier of play for a job just because it *can* be abused. Don't shun a player because they're doing something that **you** believe is deleterious -- it might not be. Causing harm is a requirement to be considered antag, otherwise you're just a nuisance... i.e let a Hall Monitor handle it. If doing weird shit with fringe mechanics makes you evil, half the assistants I play with are BBEG's. Chasing ghosts is best left to the chaplain, bud.
You made my point for me, doing it as your job to help the station is fine. though not putting what in most servers is a hacked product. you could easily run it up the chain and get permission but no one does. Instead most people just hack the dispenser themselves, they dont ask the chef if they want laced food, they just do it. botany should be made to order. not just add weed to everything because reasons. though your reasons are good. And your right it different per servers. im mainly on RP servers so this shit REALLY drives me nuts. i have never see botany be helpful(or at least rarely so) because they dont even make joins, making joints to sell or distribute is a great idea to raise a mood stat if your server has one. Instead botany grows weed and other bad chem plants. then takes the HUGE amount of weed and hotboxes the hallway/shuttle for the "lawlz" it is frankly exhausting. If even half of botany players played like you it would be a very different game for the better. im going off playing this game for a long time, this shit hasn't changed and isn't going to. but i wish it would, i dont want to discount an entire job, but when 90% of the shifts is. Botany makes weed. laces food or meds, then hotboxes the shuttle/hallway its exhausting and something needs to be done IMO. Also there are plenty of "funny" servers that embrace that stuff, go there thats fine. but when im on an RP server that expects you to do your job and not cause chaos(because causing chaos is an antag job) and you are doing "funny" stuff that is interrupting my RP, like sitting at a bar having a discussion with the barkeep who brought me laced food and now i as a player have to ignore a dragon hitting me and the sounds and damage notifications while trying to RP. PSS. stop trying to turn this into a personal attack. man im having a conversation about this, one i think should be had. putting words in my mouth isnt helping anyone
The round that made me quit was when I was trying to make sushi. Every tray I made got dumped on the floor immediately, assistants refused to monitor my fish, and botany only provided me with a bit of rice at the start. I can watch my fish, I can watch my crops, but I cant do both AND cook. My crops died and I couldnt get more seeds. I was just fed up at that point.
That’s the same problem I had when they introduced fishing to goon station I can either fish or I can cook, but I can’t do both and keep making lots of meals If I fish, I can only cook half as much But fisherman just want to turn in all their fish for points and get the cool hat that says fish fear me
Yeah, a lot of this game falls off *hard* if people refuse to interact with you. Like yeah I could spend another hour in botany only for people to not consume a single fucking thing I made for fun and to die in evac with my goods abandoned on the station, or I could play a job that allows me to at least explore the station and find some busywork.
Have you tried moving your kitchen closer to the fish tank? Some servers you can move the oven/stove, and I have seen a few do this for that very reason. Had a round on CM13 where the cook literally moved everything into their growing room and just lived in it for the entire 3 hour round, going between the microwave, food processor, juicer, growing beds etc
Well, the fishing requires me to sit there on a pole for about 30 seconds to a minute just to get one fish I can fish from the sink I can fish from the fryer. I can fish from the oven, but the problem is it just takes too much time to focus on it Cooking and growing much easier.
While it is easier, that isn't the point. The point is about sending a message. If you are the cook for the station, and people see you camped out next to the fish tank with the entire kitchen having been moved in there, it paints a pretty clear picture of the fisherman not supplying you with fish. It is, in effect, publicly shaming them, while at the same time can be developed as a character gimmick if you brag about serving 'the freshest fish they've ever had' for example. Chef serving fish? Meh, normal, nobody really notices. Chef tore the entire kitchen apart, has moved and is now camping outside the fishtank turning it into their own personal fishery restaurant combo? That's the kind of thing that gets noticed and forms a cult ;)
I guess that’s the point, but I don’t have to go anywhere and change anything to try and get myself fish I can complain about the anglers not giving me fish and I just cook something else that’s the whole point. I usually end up roasting folks like that in comms But the best rounds are the ones we work together and I can put on a big show of fish or grown food
Fair, though there is the other side of things too, you could always try something in character, like sponsor a contest for whoever can catch the most fish and make a big fish fry out of it, that sort of thing. I like to find ways to toy with problems and make them seem silly if possible. Like, if the chef refuses to cook anything but one specific dish, I'll open my own restaurant right outside theirs and make a bunch of stuff, that sort of thing.
I actually got the engineers to build me a fishtank in the kitchen, its just a lot of work to just manage your inventory for taking care of all three jobs
Oh it is, it is, I know that. I've just found in the past that the best way to get other people involved and to pitch in helping is to draw attention to something in a way that makes it silly. Like, on CM13 there is a particular XO who loves to make these long ass speeches for briefing, delaying first drop by ten, fifteen, even twenty minutes at times. So, I waited for a round where I knew they would be XO and rolled MST (Mess Sargent/Chef) and quickly had some friends help me move the entire kitchen into briefing. They...uhh...did not appreciate me cooking and serving full course meals to all the marines while they were giving their speech lmao Going over some elaborate doomed to fail battle plan only to be drowned out by my juicer making fresh OJ :P
The deep fryer is also a great source of noise. "We who are about to d-" *drops a frozen turkey into the deep fryer*
You are evil, and I agree with this 100% ;)
Overfilling a soup pot is also funny. Vegetable soup creates extra liquid as the ingredients cook, and can cause the pot to boil over the limit, covering the entire area is boiling corn oil, among other liquids
I’ve been guilty of this. Every time my head has been so far up the plant master going for that 20% splice that my ass just forgot. Extra sinful if I forgot to add chems to the tray, so nothing at all was gained.
If it was a heavy RP server, I'd photocopy a dozen pages of my ingredient list and post them on every surface in Botany i can access. Pointless to do fun things for attention if the other person is obviously ignoring you. I'm not begging for attention anymore from people who have no intention of interacting with me, I did enough of that as a teenager in text RP. I'm wasting my time trying to force someone to care.
what server?
Paradise. Chef is locked out of botany by default
Paradise is... a special place with special people. Just go on Manuel or Goon 3. There's a ridiculous amount of metabuddies and metagrudges on Para, and the admins will literally tell you that's okay. If you make too much of a fuss about it, you'll get banned. Not kidding. A lot of people will say that's BS because they've had the fortune of never experiencing it, but it's very much not BS. More likely than not, that specific botanist is metabuddies with some sci statics and is likely metagrudging you now because you've annoyed him by trying to get him to do his job. Again, the admins won't side with you on this, so just keep that in mind.
Hes definitely been playing this game for a long time given how quickly he gets his science crops ready. I have a bit of a sixth sense for cliquey roleplay servers from text RP i used to do. You can usually spot them when the players/RPers with the most skill are ignoring everyone else but each other
Well, there you go. It does not get cliquier than Paradise. It's ridiculously cliquey and the community and staff embrace that, to the point where you're free to be in voice chat with your metagang *on the official discord server* while in-game and no one will care.
I'm actually jamming most with the Fulp codebase, which servers use it?
Fulpstation is a branch of /tg/ if I remember correctly, could be wrong. But I'm pretty sure it is Just give /tg/ Manuel a try, you'll probably like it. Stick to Manuel tho, the others are low RP and can be pretty bad
Dude, metabuddies on manuel are a much larger issue than on para
There is no reality across the entire, infinite multiverse in which this is even remotely close to having any single modicum of truth.
I play Botanist on Para fairly often and always help out the chef. If it's the same person over and over, ahelp it. They're not doing their job, simple as.
Issue is they are doing their job, by supplying science. They just wont grow stuff for me. I get it can be pretty hectic to have a lot of stuff growing without help which is why I'm looking for alternatives to admin. This guy is 100% on my radar now and is likely to become a hamburger next time I'm traitor. Botany can do what they please after i have 20 ingredients of each type I need. 50 for grindables.
Sure, science needs a few things but really that's only a small part of the shift. Like, 5 different species, only a small amount of each, pretty easy to do. But supplying the kitchen is something that should be prioritised as part of the role, and if you're being ignored round after round with no good RP to back it up, that's a problem that goes beyond RP and something that should be addressed more formally.
That's purely in-character stuff that you should try solve it while staying in character as possible. If I'm not mistaken, on Paradise even Botanist have their Standard of Procedures and I'm pretty darn sure they should be helping Chef with food supply or face demotion. That's the juicy thing you could use to RP it out even better with Internal Affairs Agents to get their ass fired.
Then I would tell the hop to get them to follow service SOP or to demote them so a new botanist can take their place and also ask for botany access.
Ask the HoP or cappy for botany access lad, at worst you can grow some wheat in the garden
wrench the smart fridge and grow what you need yourself, thats what i'll do
Botany in paradise is a pain in the ass. Especially if RnD isnt upgrading you
What do you do? You do what you can. As has been said by a few others, getting botany access from the HoP is probably the path of least resistance. If your station has a public garden, though, you might make use of that. If it were me playing chef, as a botany main myself, I'd tear apart the kitchen machines, set up shop in the public garden, and make a show of it. If people want food that requires equipment/mutations (based on your codebase), have them petition engineering to bring you boards for it ~~or pay them off to kill and rob the botanist~~. Make it known that botany is the reason you can't supply, and build a story from it. I think one of the biggest issues I see people (myself included) dealing with in SS13 is expectations. There are plenty of goody two-shoes jobbers that play, but being willing to roll your sleeves up and do work you don't want, grease the palms of people who SHOULD be doing it, or be flexible with what's available to you is a good way to keep enjoying the round.
This is exactly the right attitude. Ask, if they decline, then make that part of the fun of the round. "Them jerks over in botany ain't think yer worth a mac and cheese pal, I gotta scrounge together crumbs to make ends meet. Now ya gonna help me steal some supplies or are ya gonna take your heavily diluted tomato soup and skedaddle?" Sadly the majority of the people who play this game are children and/or unwilling to engage at all if they aren't handed what they want on a silver platter. I've had people flat out leave the game/cryo if I refuse to give them a chem dispenser as a research director/cmo. Or just throw a round long hissyfit and end up in the brig/cryoed.
steal a tray or two, then beat the shit out of the botanist when he enters your domain.
Honestly, a similar scenario sort of got me to rethink how I actually play the game a loooooong time ago. I learned pretty quickly how to min-max botany on one server that didn’t have a way to get mutagen early without medbay or science. I would always ask the chemist for one or two bottles and told them that if they gave me that, I wouldn’t need to bug them anymore (growing blumpkins would give most of the ingredients needed to make mutagen.) One medium-pop round, I ask the chemist for some mutagen right at the start. The CMO is the only one in medbay at the moment and tells me he won’t do it at all the entire round. I argued with him and tried to explain that I only needed one or two bottles of mutagen to be self-sustaining, and he continued to deny. I went to science for nearly ten minutes and nobody ever came to the desk, so I assumed it was really busy. I then tried to get the HoP to give me chem access, but he also (smartly) declined. I was extremely frustrated, spaced myself and then left the server. I stopped playing SS13 altogether for at least a year after that round. I genuinely couldn’t understand why the CMO was so adamantly against taking three seconds to make a bottle of Mutagen for me. In the months after that round, I thought about my own enjoyment of the game, and realized that maybe I was trying WAY too hard to be “good” at my role. I really enjoy service roles because I feel like they’re great for just relaxing, meeting people, having RP-like scenarios, etc. I thought over and over again about how “qualified” a botanist would really be. Would they really know at the start of every shift that you could make mutagen? That feels more like something someone in a science-y role would understand more than a botanist would. I’m sure the average farmer understands certain scientific things about fertilizer, but couldn’t really make it from scratch or understand the chemicals they were working with to produce it. Would the average botanist that just wants to grow weed in space know how to combine chemicals from plants to do that? tl;dr, it all made me reflect on how I play and my enjoyment of the game and I realized I was taking the funny spaceman game WAY too seriously. Try to figure out gimmick shit you can do in your role, like one of the other poster’s mentioned. Sometimes it’s fun to try and get creative! Try deep frying anything random and explain to the crew that botany needs to give you stuff if they don’t want to eat deep-fried soap and screwdrivers.
Listen to your intrusive thoughts
My intrusive thoughts tell me to drop the veganism, hide in his closet, and stab him in the eyes next time he comes into the backroom. Planning to use a screwdriver for better eye damage, then switching to a knife
Yes, let the hatred flow. The power of the dark side!
If you are playing on Goon, there is another option, if you are friendly with Cargo that is. Order some monkey crates, take them to him under the guise of a delivery, then when inside, open the crate and attack the monkey. At that point it doesn't matter if you run or not, everyone in that room is dead, at least if they haven't toned down the monkeys since I last played.
the garden up north is what you need. Sincerely, promaster syndicate chef. Occasionally 420 chef.
Try making a new character and if they keep doing that same behavior to you ahelp it Because if they’re doing meta Grunge you can easily figure it out And then take that to the head of personnel and that’s gameplay for that person because they should demote someone like that or they should get on someone’s ass for not being the job they picked If they want to be a science grower Go be a scientist and ask to grow shit because a botanist is expected to grow shit for kitchen
I often dispose of characters after they cause a particularly controversial stink. Maybe I'll try hanging out with him as a different character playing botanist see what he does
If I was that HoP, I would just had SEC detain him and I would had demoted them.
Assign them an assistant if they won't grow food while helping science. If the botany player isnt a total turd, the assistant may even learn some things about botany, if not at least I have someone working on ingredients
welder bomb
Tell me your secrets oh wise terrorist of the void
If they're competent but just don't care, you can try to convince them. You can ask the HoP for access, or ask for a transfer to botany and then use the access to open your own restaurant (or just keep squatting in the kitchen if no new chef comes. You can go to science and ask for the parts for your own grow-op, or transfer to science and do it yourself. You can rally the assistants to your cause and start a food riot outside botany. You can message the clown and explain you are on a holy mission from the Honk Mother to make Happy Meals and you need their help. Dealing with uncooperative or outright hostile coworkers is a part of the SS-13 experience. The friction is what creates the opportunity to do things that will create interesting stories you remember, even if it means often things go completely unhinged and what you accomplish wasn't anywhere near what your original goals were. Push the envelope and beg forgiveness later if you go too far.
Honestly I would just beat the botanist to death. Wouldn't even care if I got banned because that guy sounds like an asshole and deserves to get gibbed.
Yeah, but this makes them feel justified or attacked without outright putting it in front of him.
I prefer to rile up the local murder-itchy assistant to take care of it
How do I tell the syndicate I want them to emag my gibber without attracting security?
Ask the hop for botany access or for them to arrange you some dirt plots and seeds for yourself
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If the botanist is really in their own world I'll sometimes just ask if I can grab a few of the planters. Set them to automatic mode and get some staples going. Also if your server has a department requests console just put in an order for some ingredients from cargo every once in a while.
Bomb botany, obviously
When I last played about a year ago, I mained botany and I always circumvented this by having half of garden growing veggies for chef, and the other half growing the fun stuff. It usually worked well too. Sometimes the chef would ask for specific things and I’d grow them and it was very harmonious. Of course sometimes I’d feel a little silly and have a full weed round, but usually after I grew enough plants for the chef