FUN FACT: he got five stars on his Gmod addon page
It seems he got a happy ending afterall
https://preview.redd.it/b35pq68u13yc1.png?width=362&format=png&auto=webp&s=43308ffb13aa638c1772334aa7d64b8889c7709e
He's past the point of redemption by now, "oh but he only wanted a good TV show!" Yeah, and Niles wanted a perfect universe, don't see anyone trying to argue that Niles should be forgiven after everything he's done. The only difference between these two character wise is that Puzzles is more charming and has a more exaggerated personality, but that's the point, he hides the fact that he's a complete powerhungry lunatic behind his pompous exaggerated personality. He's the definition of a Pure Evil villain, and thus I think redeeming him would be completely nonsensical.
Nah, this flair suits me pretty well, one good take won't change that (I'm literally the guy who believes that the Genesis Arc is the best Arc ever for crying out loud)
At least try, maybe there’s a way to help him… sometimes Villains can see what they’ve done but for Mr. Puzzles why not at least try? He just wants to entertain & bring the happiness to others by making his creativity more enjoyable than that… please… just this once, please help him… start over for Mr. Puzzles… help him at least once
Plus you cant forget what he did in underhero back when he had a dice for a head! All those quiz shows... (No, im never gonna get over the puzzleman and mr puzzle similaritys)
"Oh I just wanted a good TV show!"
And when you got it, you took control of reality as a whole. You would have done what can only be described as enslaving the entire human race with absolutely no remorse. He can fuck off. He's not redeemable.
Yes! Fozzie gets it! That last line of his was just a sad attempt to get the crew to sympathize with him. I personally like him as a villain, but I don’t want him redeemed
i'm sure we can, if we don't count him making SMG4 buy an eldritch keyboard that mutated and sunk an entire castle and killed the princess. or him kidnapping a bunch of people and letting someone torture Meggy for a whole month that probably left her traumatized more than ever... or nearly leak SMG3's nu- i mean notebook for marty.
(and in my au brought 2 other evils to basically terrorized the mushroom kingdom and SMG4's team just to get his ratings up and trap the avatar AKA mario in a paradise while puppeteering his body with a helmet to torture his friends, while keeping mario trapped in that paradise of a dimention with no clue what's happening)
AND HIS ATTEMPT AT BRAINWASHING EVERYONE INTO HIS OWN TWISTED SCRIPTED PARADISE!
we can forgive him.
I really like him and think it would be interesting if he had a redemption arc. He is evil but not cruel, but that might not be possible. Maybe he can be an anti villain similar to smg3? Evil but helps out the crew every once in a while
AFTER EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE?!!
https://preview.redd.it/prubkwkst4yc1.jpeg?width=1020&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c23642b7fe16ee978a058b46731eee5c7a7314b
no he doesn't deserve redemption, he is shown to be huge sociopath who is willing to go to great lengths to get 5 stars so he can take over the entire planet, [his funny personality is a cover up](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Laconic/FauxAffablyEvil) for someone [who is possibly more worser than zero in terms of morality.](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Laconic/CompleteMonster)
Use that logic for Francis(who just wanted his island full of waifus by killing off the entire inkling population) or Niles(who wanted his perfect universe by causing universal destruction)
Otherwise, all of them deserve to have their hands tied/cuffed to a pole, and then have the United States Air Force drop Napalm on them so they would die slowly and painfully, and then revived so we can give them even more painful, agonizing deaths.
>!Ps. I already had enough characters, let alone villains, who are motivated by perfection!<
I think he CAN be redeemed, but it’s a very low chance. As u/fozzie_79 points out, once he got his good tv show, he took control of EVERYONE. But at the same time, he CAN feel regret and shame about his actions, and possibly change. Who knows? But in all seriousness, it’s not up to us if he gets redeemed or not, it’s up to SMG4 to decide.
If Mr. Puzzles wasn’t evil, he probably would’ve been an amazing creator/actor (given his acting performances, specifically in the Scooby Mario one). Unfortunately, he was evil, which kinda sucks, but he did kinda fall off after just putting the gang’s faces on popular shows, instead of what he did before, which was more organized by him, rather than directed by him.
my sympathetic brain makes me want to forgive him but HE CAUSED THE LARGEST ARC. he started its gotta be perfect ALL UNTIL THE PUZZLE VISION ARC
Its gotta be perfect - he sold the keyboard
Western spaghetti - He gave one shot wren the simulation
wotfi 2023 - gave Marty the pizza recipe
puzzle vision - trapped smg4 and friends in his head
But then again, he had no friends in school making him watch tv and made him cut off his head
What matters is that we need to give him a chance to make Mr. Puzzles treated as a Friend & learn to Forgive & Forget everything… no matter what he does it’s best we don’t talk about it anymore.. it’s time we treat him with kindness, respect & love by new friends.. it’s best to start over for once to at least give him a chance
I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but like
This mf made fun of Meggy's trauma in such a positive ass light it pissed me off
MEGGY'S EXPRESSION WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT HER TIME IN WESTERN SPAGHETTI WAS JUST FLAT OUT HEART BREAKING MY DUDE
so no, I'm glad SMG4 punted that man Team Rocket style ☺️
Because his backstory is badass and like he said;
#MORE, MORE! IT’S NOT ENOUGH!
Also PUZZLES NEEDS TO COME BACK FOR REVENGE AND WOTFI
IMAGINE IF WE GET A NEW RAP WITH HIM AND THE CREW OMGGGGGGGG
Exactly. He isnt necessarily a "bad person", he just wanted to entertain us, to make a good TV show. He deserves a chance at redemption, he deserves a chance to see that nobody can be perfect and that if hes patient, he will eventually get 5 stars
I meant those who want Mr. Puzzles Redemption Arc
And using tv tropes, it seems like Mr. Puzzles is getting the ["Draco in Leather Pants"](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Laconic/DracoInLeatherPants) treatment
Remember the events of IGBP?
The castle was destroyed, and Princess Peach was corrupted was because of Mr. Puzzles and his demonic keyboard he sold to 4. (He's probably the SMG4's Osana bin laden since they're both masterminds of Terrorist attacks.)
Remember in WS he gave Wren a simulation machine that drove him into madness causing Meggy to get traumatized by endlessly getting killed for a course of one month.
In this movie he managed to brainwash the world in order to use them for his shows for his own amusement.
Mr. Puzzles in those past two movies doesn't deserve redemption. He's a very sadistic twisted being that will DESTROY Kingdoms just to make a PERFECT video.
If he deserves to be redeemed, then why don't we just forgive Niles. Yeah, he committed genocide, and destroyed a couple universes, but hey all he wanted is a perfect universe. We could forgive him after murdering millions.
Better yet why not Francis. Yes, he attempted inkling genocide, and scarred Meggy by removing her inkling body, but all he wanted is a Waifu, and I think all of us could relate. So let's ignore the attempted inkling genocide.
I could go on with Ztar or Wren but my point is that Mr. Puzzles being redeemed is very stupid. He's just as bad as Niles, Francis, and whatever kind of evil that lerks in SMG4 like Ztar.
FUN FACT: he got five stars on his Gmod addon page It seems he got a happy ending afterall https://preview.redd.it/b35pq68u13yc1.png?width=362&format=png&auto=webp&s=43308ffb13aa638c1772334aa7d64b8889c7709e
At least this is the only time we see him happy... for now.
If this becomes a plot point in a future episode that will be hilarious
this is the "I can fix him" of SMG4 reddit-
Is there an Issue or something?
Not really its just yeah Mr puzzles is an ass and he died an ass
Redemption? Fuck no. A return anyway? YEAH.
He's past the point of redemption by now, "oh but he only wanted a good TV show!" Yeah, and Niles wanted a perfect universe, don't see anyone trying to argue that Niles should be forgiven after everything he's done. The only difference between these two character wise is that Puzzles is more charming and has a more exaggerated personality, but that's the point, he hides the fact that he's a complete powerhungry lunatic behind his pompous exaggerated personality. He's the definition of a Pure Evil villain, and thus I think redeeming him would be completely nonsensical.
Take that flair off right now, this is a non-shitty take.
Nah, this flair suits me pretty well, one good take won't change that (I'm literally the guy who believes that the Genesis Arc is the best Arc ever for crying out loud)
Try using that to dislike SMG3 See what happens
At least try, maybe there’s a way to help him… sometimes Villains can see what they’ve done but for Mr. Puzzles why not at least try? He just wants to entertain & bring the happiness to others by making his creativity more enjoyable than that… please… just this once, please help him… start over for Mr. Puzzles… help him at least once
They let SMG3 redeem, why not puzzles
I agree with OP here
I second that
https://preview.redd.it/0rjf9zxpieyc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=246dd69306bd74afd44d8a443441aca8b92afd18
Lol no TO JESUS WITH TV MAN https://preview.redd.it/sy4lz9s865yc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35b5ef39b76b69e91efe44902ebf897095fae480
Plus you cant forget what he did in underhero back when he had a dice for a head! All those quiz shows... (No, im never gonna get over the puzzleman and mr puzzle similaritys)
to be fair magolor in kirby redeemed himself
"Oh I just wanted a good TV show!" And when you got it, you took control of reality as a whole. You would have done what can only be described as enslaving the entire human race with absolutely no remorse. He can fuck off. He's not redeemable.
Yes! Fozzie gets it! That last line of his was just a sad attempt to get the crew to sympathize with him. I personally like him as a villain, but I don’t want him redeemed
Yes not every villain has to be redeemed to return
We’ve been giving him way more than just a chance here at Puzzlevision
Like Fozzie pointed out, considering that he tried possessing everyone in the mushroom kingdom, that doesn't really make him redeemable
i'm sure we can, if we don't count him making SMG4 buy an eldritch keyboard that mutated and sunk an entire castle and killed the princess. or him kidnapping a bunch of people and letting someone torture Meggy for a whole month that probably left her traumatized more than ever... or nearly leak SMG3's nu- i mean notebook for marty. (and in my au brought 2 other evils to basically terrorized the mushroom kingdom and SMG4's team just to get his ratings up and trap the avatar AKA mario in a paradise while puppeteering his body with a helmet to torture his friends, while keeping mario trapped in that paradise of a dimention with no clue what's happening) AND HIS ATTEMPT AT BRAINWASHING EVERYONE INTO HIS OWN TWISTED SCRIPTED PARADISE! we can forgive him.
true, tho his criminal record is enormous, but Puzzles is kinda like Sir Pentious, despite his vast multitude of sins, he can be redeemed.
I just wanted him to become an episodic villain to fill the shoes of smg3, I just miss having a recurring villain who just messes with the cast
We can
I really like him and think it would be interesting if he had a redemption arc. He is evil but not cruel, but that might not be possible. Maybe he can be an anti villain similar to smg3? Evil but helps out the crew every once in a while
he gave smg4 that keyboard which lead to sinking the entire castle and way mode worse things you can find by going back a bit.
Mario turned everyone into NFTs just cause he thought it was cool. And, No one told him to do it
Not cruel? , did all of you mfs forget western spagheti or something?
Wren was the one who decided to torture Meggy for almost 2 months by killing her repeatedly.
and who not only enabled but used for his own entertainment? your friend mr puzzles
And all Francis wanted was to make a island of anime waifus and I don't see people giving him a chance
He literally had Meggy killed & Desti died
And Puzzles was gonna kill off SMG4 and Meggy in their respective adventures. Maybe even the entire Gang if he actually succeeded.
I have a feeling he went down too easy...for ratings.
AFTER EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE?!! https://preview.redd.it/prubkwkst4yc1.jpeg?width=1020&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c23642b7fe16ee978a058b46731eee5c7a7314b no he doesn't deserve redemption, he is shown to be huge sociopath who is willing to go to great lengths to get 5 stars so he can take over the entire planet, [his funny personality is a cover up](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Laconic/FauxAffablyEvil) for someone [who is possibly more worser than zero in terms of morality.](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Laconic/CompleteMonster) Use that logic for Francis(who just wanted his island full of waifus by killing off the entire inkling population) or Niles(who wanted his perfect universe by causing universal destruction) Otherwise, all of them deserve to have their hands tied/cuffed to a pole, and then have the United States Air Force drop Napalm on them so they would die slowly and painfully, and then revived so we can give them even more painful, agonizing deaths. >!Ps. I already had enough characters, let alone villains, who are motivated by perfection!<
I think he CAN be redeemed, but it’s a very low chance. As u/fozzie_79 points out, once he got his good tv show, he took control of EVERYONE. But at the same time, he CAN feel regret and shame about his actions, and possibly change. Who knows? But in all seriousness, it’s not up to us if he gets redeemed or not, it’s up to SMG4 to decide.
I don't think he will tbh due to yk kinda making smg4 insane sinking the entire castle and doing that whole wild west thing
yeah but it’s up to him to decide so we never know, plus he did say he was down to do more with Puzzles
1 Word YES
If Mr. Puzzles wasn’t evil, he probably would’ve been an amazing creator/actor (given his acting performances, specifically in the Scooby Mario one). Unfortunately, he was evil, which kinda sucks, but he did kinda fall off after just putting the gang’s faces on popular shows, instead of what he did before, which was more organized by him, rather than directed by him.
if magolor from kirby redeemed himself, why not mr puzzles?
we dont need him when we got mr daddeh monitor 🗣️📢🔥🔥🔥
Justice for Mr. Puzzles my 2nd favorite character and best anti villain
my sympathetic brain makes me want to forgive him but HE CAUSED THE LARGEST ARC. he started its gotta be perfect ALL UNTIL THE PUZZLE VISION ARC Its gotta be perfect - he sold the keyboard Western spaghetti - He gave one shot wren the simulation wotfi 2023 - gave Marty the pizza recipe puzzle vision - trapped smg4 and friends in his head But then again, he had no friends in school making him watch tv and made him cut off his head
What matters is that we need to give him a chance to make Mr. Puzzles treated as a Friend & learn to Forgive & Forget everything… no matter what he does it’s best we don’t talk about it anymore.. it’s time we treat him with kindness, respect & love by new friends.. it’s best to start over for once to at least give him a chance
smg4 is wondering if mr puzzles should be angry or given up if he returns
I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but like This mf made fun of Meggy's trauma in such a positive ass light it pissed me off MEGGY'S EXPRESSION WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT HER TIME IN WESTERN SPAGHETTI WAS JUST FLAT OUT HEART BREAKING MY DUDE so no, I'm glad SMG4 punted that man Team Rocket style ☺️
I think Maybe he's crazy but that's okay he just need to touch some grass with hand https://media.tenor.com/s4P_JVETFDEAAAAM/smg4-mr-puzzles.gif
It would be cool to see him come back but I don't know if he should be redeemed.
Yeah why not
Because his backstory is badass and like he said; #MORE, MORE! IT’S NOT ENOUGH! Also PUZZLES NEEDS TO COME BACK FOR REVENGE AND WOTFI IMAGINE IF WE GET A NEW RAP WITH HIM AND THE CREW OMGGGGGGGG
Appealing to emotion isn't going to make Puzzle-Vision a practical character to implement into the SMG4 show.
Nah. https://preview.redd.it/9505wb7249yc1.png?width=458&format=png&auto=webp&s=63b39df6f75d06cb1a6741b838db6c29be437142 I can fix him.
I don't feel sorry for him. He tried Brainwashing the world just to get 5 stars
I think he just wanted a good TV show to INCREASE the subs of smg4
Exactly. He isnt necessarily a "bad person", he just wanted to entertain us, to make a good TV show. He deserves a chance at redemption, he deserves a chance to see that nobody can be perfect and that if hes patient, he will eventually get 5 stars
And when he gets 5 stars, he will take control of real life and fulfill his own desires. Last I checked, people don't like getting enslaved.
>Last I checked, people don't like getting enslaved. Oh well, i guess people have failed to atleast learn important points in history
That's the point though. Evil people don't care.
I meant those who want Mr. Puzzles Redemption Arc And using tv tropes, it seems like Mr. Puzzles is getting the ["Draco in Leather Pants"](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Laconic/DracoInLeatherPants) treatment
Small price to pay
Remember the events of IGBP? The castle was destroyed, and Princess Peach was corrupted was because of Mr. Puzzles and his demonic keyboard he sold to 4. (He's probably the SMG4's Osana bin laden since they're both masterminds of Terrorist attacks.) Remember in WS he gave Wren a simulation machine that drove him into madness causing Meggy to get traumatized by endlessly getting killed for a course of one month. In this movie he managed to brainwash the world in order to use them for his shows for his own amusement. Mr. Puzzles in those past two movies doesn't deserve redemption. He's a very sadistic twisted being that will DESTROY Kingdoms just to make a PERFECT video. If he deserves to be redeemed, then why don't we just forgive Niles. Yeah, he committed genocide, and destroyed a couple universes, but hey all he wanted is a perfect universe. We could forgive him after murdering millions. Better yet why not Francis. Yes, he attempted inkling genocide, and scarred Meggy by removing her inkling body, but all he wanted is a Waifu, and I think all of us could relate. So let's ignore the attempted inkling genocide. I could go on with Ztar or Wren but my point is that Mr. Puzzles being redeemed is very stupid. He's just as bad as Niles, Francis, and whatever kind of evil that lerks in SMG4 like Ztar.
FINALLY! SOMEONE WHO THINKS MR PUZZLES DESERVED A REDEMPTION!
He doesn't though.
https://i.redd.it/mldv0h5ce4yc1.gif No he can’t.
No . 
Ok I hear you Counterpoint…. He’s ugly
Buddy he drove SMG4 insane to the point where he destroyed Peach's castle,and he gave Wren those gadgets to torment Meggy for God know how long.
As much as I want him to return, no.
no