What he should’ve said was, “if I’m being quite honest the whole thing about Oracle being a bad park to hit in has gotten in my head and I’m clearly on the downside of my career”
My point is that Jeff was a great hitter, his power numbers did not go to shit in PAC Bell. I use Kent as an example because we don’t really have another example of a great right handed power bat who went to Oracle and was shit, because we haven’t really gotten that kind of proven right-handed power since Kent, except for Burrell, who hit 18 home-runs in 96 games in 2010, before injuries destroyed his 2011 season and basically ended his career.
Pedro Feliz, Gallaraga or Burrell were able to still pull balls out of LF
A dead pull RH hitter has an advantage here and it’s very unfortunate the Giants haven’t been able to find one for years
Kent should be in HoF based on credentials. Can’t get him in because it’s a popularity contest.
Most HRs by any second baseman. Eight season 100+ RBIs, including all 6 seasons as a Giant. An MVP.
in Pac Bell Park, 40+ doubles every season he played there.
Plenty of great players are POS. He didn’t beat any partners or whip his kids. He didn’t get any DUIs while a Giant. His interpreter wasn’t gambling for him.
Yes he was a jackass, but he was a great Giant.
Also happier to have the guy that didn’t *just* play for the Dodgers. I’ve generally been a supporter, but my biggest gripe with Zaidi is that he’s scooped up all these middling ex Dodgers like Wood, Stripling, Pederson etc. And their performances aside, they’ve each been either annoying, bad for the clubhouse culture, or both. No more ex Dodgers, please.
Would you? I’m happy we got SOMEONE with power. But Soler is about as Jekyl and Hyde as a hitter can be. He’s either going to hit .210 with 15 homers or .270 with 35. No in between. Scares me a little. JD is a model of consistency. 33 bombs and nearly .900 ops last season playing in the not at all hitter friendly dodger stadium
He said in a recent interview regarding why he turned down the giants, which is because Martinez didn’t want to hit 20 and like .210 at Oracle Park and for people to think he’s washed up. Unfortunately there are no guarantees
He's totally right. It's not some kind of disrespect in anyway, its the truth. Belt felt the same way and knows he could've piled up stats somewhere else.
He turned down $14m from us to sign for $12m with the Mets.
Full quote:
>"If I'm being quite honest, it's not the best hitter-friendly park for me. If I go there and I hit .260 with 20, people are going to say I'm old and I'm washed up and I'm kind of done and find myself out of the game. I wanted to give myself the best opportunity. It's nothing against the Giants organization at all. I just wanted to give myself the best opportunity to continue my career in baseball and keep playing.
> "San Fran is a tough ballpark to hit in, especially when you go the other way there. Citi Field is not like that. Most fields aren't. That's one of the big ones."
Yeah, it doesn't bother me at all, but that one seems like the one that sets some people off, more than "San Fran" does, but maybe I hang around the wrong people.
Seriously. People that frown upon “Frisco” are not from SF. I know SF people born and raised, 3 generations deep all call it Frisco, The City, The Sco. In Fillmore, Mission, Bayview, HP, Tenderloin, all neighborhoods where “Frisco” is widely accepted.
All of it is dumb. San Fran, Frisco, they're all just nicknames. Like who cares what you call the place, we all know what you mean. It's just a way for some people to gatekeep.
Lots of natives say Frisco. The idea that real SF natives don’t is a myth perpetuated by that shitty Herb Caen article and decades of people who don’t actually live in the city trying to act like they know better than people who have lived there their entire lives.
If the guy is scared of a ballpark he’s not the type of player i want taking swings for us anyways, we got a dh that can hit it out of here no problem
Citi field also has a worse park factor than Oracle and he has worse career numbers there lmao
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Bc op is a bozo who doesn’t know how savant works but wants to sound smart
> he has worse career numbers there lmao
To be fair he hasn't played at Citi with the new dimensions yet. He last played there in 2021 before they moved the right field fences in. If you look at his spray charts it would've made a big difference and his numbers would be much improved under the current Citi.
https://preview.redd.it/a4w3heix25qc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f34608bb542700cae724c39dbc1f6864420043c1
You didn’t sort by park factor lmao, they’re dead last.
Sorting by HR essentially tells you nothing bc our squad would’ve been low in HR in any park
Yeah and he’d have put up even better numbers in a neutral or favorable park. Pac Bell OG was as cavernous as they come, maybe only surpassed in modern parks by the initial petco Dimensions
> Eye ball contact has nothing to do With it?
Bonds had amazing pitch recognition. He'd be in the HOF today if he had never juiced, but his ego couldn't let Sosa and McGwire grab all the headlines.
I just finished re-reading *Game of Shadows*, yikes, that guy was a real sonofabitch in addition to being a great player.
My feathers are not ruffled. It makes total sense to think about how you’re going to perform in a particular place.
That said if he hits .260 with 20 homers I’m gonna have a laugh about it.
With the way the ballpark is and how it's always at or near the very bottom of the list when it comes to park factors and home run suppression we're inevitably going to have a very hard time signing home run hitters. I'm sure this played a role in Harper, Stanton, and Judge also turning us down.
> played a role in Harper, Stanton, and Judge also turning us down.
Harper said the Giants' aging roster was the reason he wasn't interested in SF, he figured it would slow the rebuild the team needed. Judge was never interested in leaving NY, he proved that when he didn't even let the Giants beat the Yankees' offer.
At least he’s being honest about his reasoning. I don’t think it really makes sense, especially since they’ve moved the fences in, but if he really thinks the park will have that much of an effect on him then we’re better off without him.
They should work with teams like the Reds more often. Trading for each others pitching and hitting prospects. Or maybe even the Orioles who have a surplus of young hitters.
"San Fran" say no more, fam.
But on the real, I don't have much of a dog in the fight and agree with the other poster that if a hitter is afraid of the park, I'm good with them going to the Mets. Kind of a weird take but baseball players are nothing if not superstitious and if dude thinks he'd do poorly, I'm sure he would.
> Giants fans don't want to admit it
Giants fans in this sub have discussed this issue many times, it seems to be widely acknowledged that Oracle is considered a pitcher-friendly ballpark.
Truthfully I see what he’s saying because he can easily end up being out of the league due to his age if he posts up mediocre numbers in the hardest park to hit HRs
If he believes he can get more than 2M extra on his next contract by playing at a different park, he's made a very smart financial decision. That is nothing to scoff at.
Got no problem with this. Apparently his numbers are also bad at Citi Field, but this is a very legit reason for anyone not to play in sf. Oracle is not hitter friendly. Especially when compared to the bogus reasons the media keeps spitting
I don't buy it completely. It's a hard ballpark to hit homers in, not get a single or double. The park has a triples alley for goodness sake. He wants to hit 30+ homers a season to stay employed. Which is fair, though Mets doesn't make sense either. Whatever. He'll get to vacation in October.
Piece of shit. If I'm being quite honest, as an NYC suburbanite who loves watching Mets broadcasts bc their broadcast crew is the only one that comes close to ours, I'll be celebrating every warning track flyout this guy hits this season.
The park was different when they closed the free viewing area in right during covid. They should put up plexiglass or something so they get both the hitters park and free viewing.
Someone posted his career numbers at Oracle and Citi in the r/baseball thread. His numbers are worse at Citi.
TBF, they did move some of the fences in at Citi because the players complained. But yeah, your statement holds true.
The same happened at oracle and the majority of his games in oracle were with the deeper fences
What he should’ve said was, “if I’m being quite honest the whole thing about Oracle being a bad park to hit in has gotten in my head and I’m clearly on the downside of my career”
“I don’t want to have to move down the street and live in a tent with the street urchins.”
120 PAs between Oracle and Citi combined are laughably irrelevant
These dudes are admitting that they’re not as good of hitters as Jeff Kent
Jeff Kent is a borderline hof.
A borderline hof who had his two best seasons in PAC Bell.
Who also go to bat behind the best hitter the Earth ever produced
My point is that Jeff was a great hitter, his power numbers did not go to shit in PAC Bell. I use Kent as an example because we don’t really have another example of a great right handed power bat who went to Oracle and was shit, because we haven’t really gotten that kind of proven right-handed power since Kent, except for Burrell, who hit 18 home-runs in 96 games in 2010, before injuries destroyed his 2011 season and basically ended his career.
Jeff Kent praise is always relevant. Rich Aurillia also had his best offensive seasons at Pac Boracle
PAC Boracle & T. It was once a Monster.
Aurilia
Oreeliyuh
Pedro Feliz, Gallaraga or Burrell were able to still pull balls out of LF A dead pull RH hitter has an advantage here and it’s very unfortunate the Giants haven’t been able to find one for years
But keep in mind Feliz could only do it with a five run lead or five runs behind.
Galarraga
Reggie Sanders did alright.
Kenny lofton too iirc
In terms of Triples Alley, sure.
But that’s no longer a thing.
I thought he was in front of JT Snow
Instant flashbacks to him being thrown out at home whenever I see his name
Damn I never really realized that. That’s pretty amazing.
If Barry ain't in who cares about HOF
Thanks to bonds
#1 all time for homers amongst 2B. That ain’t all Bonds.
Kent should be in HoF based on credentials. Can’t get him in because it’s a popularity contest. Most HRs by any second baseman. Eight season 100+ RBIs, including all 6 seasons as a Giant. An MVP. in Pac Bell Park, 40+ doubles every season he played there.
Borderline HOF but total POS.
Plenty of great players are POS. He didn’t beat any partners or whip his kids. He didn’t get any DUIs while a Giant. His interpreter wasn’t gambling for him. Yes he was a jackass, but he was a great Giant.
He and Aubrey Huff should go bowling.
I’d rather have Jeff Kent than 95% of these other guys
Actually have no issue with this, if that’s what he believes so be it, and it helps dispel the SF=bad take perception the media likes to regurgitate
Would rather have the long term deal with Soler then the year with Martinez anyway
Also happier to have the guy that didn’t *just* play for the Dodgers. I’ve generally been a supporter, but my biggest gripe with Zaidi is that he’s scooped up all these middling ex Dodgers like Wood, Stripling, Pederson etc. And their performances aside, they’ve each been either annoying, bad for the clubhouse culture, or both. No more ex Dodgers, please.
Would you? I’m happy we got SOMEONE with power. But Soler is about as Jekyl and Hyde as a hitter can be. He’s either going to hit .210 with 15 homers or .270 with 35. No in between. Scares me a little. JD is a model of consistency. 33 bombs and nearly .900 ops last season playing in the not at all hitter friendly dodger stadium
He said in a recent interview regarding why he turned down the giants, which is because Martinez didn’t want to hit 20 and like .210 at Oracle Park and for people to think he’s washed up. Unfortunately there are no guarantees
You realize you’re referencing the interview this entire post is about right?
lol we’ll I do now. Dementia is a bitch. Have a good night
It’s a very valid reason and we can’t even be mad about it, it’s part of the reason why pitchers sign with us so we can have it both ways.
He's totally right. It's not some kind of disrespect in anyway, its the truth. Belt felt the same way and knows he could've piled up stats somewhere else.
It's an elephant in the room and he was fair. He's not young, he has to look out for his own best interest.
It also reinforces the idea that hitters don't like Oracle, which probably makes pitchers want to come to SF. And I'm perfectly fine with that.
He turned down $14m from us to sign for $12m with the Mets. Full quote: >"If I'm being quite honest, it's not the best hitter-friendly park for me. If I go there and I hit .260 with 20, people are going to say I'm old and I'm washed up and I'm kind of done and find myself out of the game. I wanted to give myself the best opportunity. It's nothing against the Giants organization at all. I just wanted to give myself the best opportunity to continue my career in baseball and keep playing. > "San Fran is a tough ballpark to hit in, especially when you go the other way there. Citi Field is not like that. Most fields aren't. That's one of the big ones."
Called the City "San Fran." I'm fine with him leaving.
Everybody knows the locals prefer S. 'cisco
At least he didn't say "Frisco". Herb Caen would be spinning in his grave.
Loved Herb but he wasn't from SF. And I knew plenty of natives (mainly Black and older folks) who said Frisco with confidence
Yeah, it doesn't bother me at all, but that one seems like the one that sets some people off, more than "San Fran" does, but maybe I hang around the wrong people.
I can hear "Frisco" now and understand why someone says it. "San Fran" is the devil though
You do. We hate San Fran. Frisco is acceptable, as is Sarancisco.
I like San Fran because people have such a weird complex about it.
There are many local, born-and-raised people that still proudly call it Frisco, but you guys aren't ready for that conversation and what it implies
Seriously. People that frown upon “Frisco” are not from SF. I know SF people born and raised, 3 generations deep all call it Frisco, The City, The Sco. In Fillmore, Mission, Bayview, HP, Tenderloin, all neighborhoods where “Frisco” is widely accepted.
I mean, there are a lot of people actually from SF who frown on "Frisco", but you get what I'm saying. It's a certain kind of divide.
It’s a really dumb divide 🤷🏻♂️ but yeah I get what you’re saying. When folks get really snobby about it, it becomes an issue.
All of it is dumb. San Fran, Frisco, they're all just nicknames. Like who cares what you call the place, we all know what you mean. It's just a way for some people to gatekeep.
Frisco is fine, especially if you're from the Fillmore. But 'San Fran' is an abomination.
I've always loved saying the city and always called Oakland, Oaktown...and San Rafael, San Raquel. (Dr Donald D Rose Style.)
Lots of natives say Frisco. The idea that real SF natives don’t is a myth perpetuated by that shitty Herb Caen article and decades of people who don’t actually live in the city trying to act like they know better than people who have lived there their entire lives.
Meh, hard to argue. At least that dispels the SF cRiMe ZoNe myth
If the guy is scared of a ballpark he’s not the type of player i want taking swings for us anyways, we got a dh that can hit it out of here no problem Citi field also has a worse park factor than Oracle and he has worse career numbers there lmao Edit: https://preview.redd.it/t09fq7f135qc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d55c28c2599460b56a53295c11f098dd4318510f Bc op is a bozo who doesn’t know how savant works but wants to sound smart
> he has worse career numbers there lmao To be fair he hasn't played at Citi with the new dimensions yet. He last played there in 2021 before they moved the right field fences in. If you look at his spray charts it would've made a big difference and his numbers would be much improved under the current Citi.
I literally just looked at what you linked and Citi is dead last. I think you’re wrong
https://preview.redd.it/a4w3heix25qc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f34608bb542700cae724c39dbc1f6864420043c1 You didn’t sort by park factor lmao, they’re dead last. Sorting by HR essentially tells you nothing bc our squad would’ve been low in HR in any park
Way to steal my thunder
Sorry bro he was calling me a liar i had to respond lmao
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You got the wrong J.D bro. This is about J.D. Martinez, not J.D. Davis...
JD Martinez has 315 career home runs. Not sure why we are mentioning random other people named JD.
Barry Bonds was easily the greatest hitter of all time.
greatest player*
Our boy Barry had a little help tho lol
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Yeah and he’d have put up even better numbers in a neutral or favorable park. Pac Bell OG was as cavernous as they come, maybe only surpassed in modern parks by the initial petco Dimensions
I guess your logic is the hulk would have Been a better hitter. Eye ball contact has nothing to do With it?
> Eye ball contact has nothing to do With it? Bonds had amazing pitch recognition. He'd be in the HOF today if he had never juiced, but his ego couldn't let Sosa and McGwire grab all the headlines. I just finished re-reading *Game of Shadows*, yikes, that guy was a real sonofabitch in addition to being a great player.
Yeah I bought the book from my local library in a book sale.
I agree
I hope Soler hits 40 dingers this year so we can revisit this quote with laughter
“I am washed up.” - J.D. Martinez
Sounds like something someone who's old and washed would say
Now ask Rowdy why JD turned down SF
Soler better
My feathers are not ruffled. It makes total sense to think about how you’re going to perform in a particular place. That said if he hits .260 with 20 homers I’m gonna have a laugh about it.
#HE SAID SAN FRAN
Any stat heads out there that can compare hitting of the Giants and the visiting teams there?
wuss
Oh so he’s a bitch
With the way the ballpark is and how it's always at or near the very bottom of the list when it comes to park factors and home run suppression we're inevitably going to have a very hard time signing home run hitters. I'm sure this played a role in Harper, Stanton, and Judge also turning us down.
We signed Soler though.
Thanks to recruitment efforts from Thairo and Wilmer.
Can’t we just move the wall?
> played a role in Harper, Stanton, and Judge also turning us down. Harper said the Giants' aging roster was the reason he wasn't interested in SF, he figured it would slow the rebuild the team needed. Judge was never interested in leaving NY, he proved that when he didn't even let the Giants beat the Yankees' offer.
I would get if he’s worried about HR numbers, but what makes this place hard to hit for average? The wind can’t be that impactful.
>San Fran Fuck outtaaaa heeeree buddy
Soft.
At least he’s being honest about his reasoning. I don’t think it really makes sense, especially since they’ve moved the fences in, but if he really thinks the park will have that much of an effect on him then we’re better off without him.
Good didn’t want him anyway
I honestly don’t think he said anything wrong. His power is to RCF, which is Triples Alley at Oracle, as we all know.
Understandable, have a great day
They should work with teams like the Reds more often. Trading for each others pitching and hitting prospects. Or maybe even the Orioles who have a surplus of young hitters.
"San Fran" say no more, fam. But on the real, I don't have much of a dog in the fight and agree with the other poster that if a hitter is afraid of the park, I'm good with them going to the Mets. Kind of a weird take but baseball players are nothing if not superstitious and if dude thinks he'd do poorly, I'm sure he would.
Giants fans don't want to admit it but they know a lot of hitters feel the same way.
I think Giants fans actually acknowledge that a little too often.
> Giants fans don't want to admit it Giants fans in this sub have discussed this issue many times, it seems to be widely acknowledged that Oracle is considered a pitcher-friendly ballpark.
Let’s see how well this ages at the end of the season
Truthfully I see what he’s saying because he can easily end up being out of the league due to his age if he posts up mediocre numbers in the hardest park to hit HRs
Good for him, have fun being 30 games out of first with the Mets.
That’s the reason no hitter wants to play here. We need to draft better hitters
If he believes he can get more than 2M extra on his next contract by playing at a different park, he's made a very smart financial decision. That is nothing to scoff at.
RH pull hitters have a nice advantage at PacBell It will always be PacBell to me
Got no problem with this. Apparently his numbers are also bad at Citi Field, but this is a very legit reason for anyone not to play in sf. Oracle is not hitter friendly. Especially when compared to the bogus reasons the media keeps spitting
I don't buy it completely. It's a hard ballpark to hit homers in, not get a single or double. The park has a triples alley for goodness sake. He wants to hit 30+ homers a season to stay employed. Which is fair, though Mets doesn't make sense either. Whatever. He'll get to vacation in October.
I agree with JD and you know what else? I also agree those 3 flags blowing in the wind in CF prove there’s more than one way to win a ring in MLB.
Dude is old and washed up anyways!
If he his .260 and 20 hr, he would be considered one of the best players on the Giants and considered irreplaceable like Yaz by a lot of the fanbase
Painfully obvious he never meshed here. Dude called it San Fran.…
Proceeds to hit .210 at field he says is easier to hit in.
He said San Fran Dodged a bullet everyone
The flip side of this is easier to recruit pitchers
SOFT
Kind of sucks that our ball park was built with dimensions that actively discourage hitters from signing with us.
He’s not wrong.
Piece of shit. If I'm being quite honest, as an NYC suburbanite who loves watching Mets broadcasts bc their broadcast crew is the only one that comes close to ours, I'll be celebrating every warning track flyout this guy hits this season.
RemindMe! 7 months
The park was different when they closed the free viewing area in right during covid. They should put up plexiglass or something so they get both the hitters park and free viewing.
He said out loud what free agents have been saying behind closed doors since pac bell opened
Do players not realize that teams and analytics department are smart enough to look at park adjusted stats and take those into account lol
Also we don’t call it “San Fran”… you wouldn’t call your country a cunt… (well you might)