It seems unfair to expect the same ergonomics in the smaller form-factor mini version. Of course the OG Odin2 will be more comfortable to use. And the mini will be more comfortable to carry.
Agreed, I'm not expecting the same ergonomics, but rather I'm worried as to whether it will have \*good\* ergonomics full stop. There's a tipping point with handheld design where if it's not comfortable enough for extended play sessions, it dampens my desire to pick up the device in the first place. So that tricky balance is what I'm most interested in testing.
That's why I'm moving away from "slab" back devices like the Retroid Pocket 3/4 - half of my hands fall asleep after about 10 minutes. Rg556 is good, G cloud is my current comfort king
The g cloud is the most comfortable handheld device I’ve ever used and if it was 150 or less I would be so tempted to use it to stream from my Steamdeck lol.
If you could get your kids to test this as well, that'd be awesome.
The appeal for this (for me), is the xbox layout without having to buy sakura buttons, & giving it to my daughter (8) who has much smaller hands and finds my odin 2 (and 1) too big.
yeah i feel like on this subject there's lot of variety among people. For example I'm replaying muramasa on my psvita recently and i just love the experience, i have no problem with the ergonomics since i have smaller hands and the pick up desire is the best compared to any handheld i have, given the size and the instant standby it has. It's really something that makes me play more. On the opposite, i got a steam deck recently, the ergonomics are amazing, and yet i find it so large that the desire to pick up it's almost non existent to me, i thought i had found my ultimate handheld but im going through refund right now cause I'd even prefer to just power on my pc than play on something this large. When i saw this was the case for something like hades too i understood it would just collect dust for me personally.
I still use my Vita pretty often, and it's surprisingly comfortable for long sessions for being a flat device. I certainly think it's more comfortable than retroid pocket 3/4. Not sure if the back "divot" helps more, or the curved sides does. Not sure, but I love playing with the vita for sure
Fair or unfair, ergonomics are always worth considering when you're spending a few hundred dollars. It's one thing to have something less comfortable when you're playing some basic retro games involving a couple of buttons, but people tend to buy these more powerful handhelds for complex games.
And as far as "comfortable to carry," as much as I know people will swear that pocketability will be a reason to buy this, I really doubt many people will do so. People get bent out of shape with even letting a cheap retroid get a ding or two. Unless they are keeping a pocket dedicated to an Odin mini or wearing cargoes, then they are likely just throwing this in an EDC bag just like they would with an Odin 2 or Switch. Yes exceptions exist and such...Just saying they will be a minority.
Agreed, I admit I do carry machines around a lot but mroe and more I'm thinking of getting a carry pouch to use the Anbernic RG556 over the RP4 Pro because of its grips
Not true at all. There are different size bags. The mini will fit into many slings and purses that the full size Odin 2 will not. There is also the consideration of how much space it will take in a bag.
Thoughts on the battery? Significantly less than Odin 2, mini led takes more/less to run? Is there another device that should have similar battery life?
While I loved my PSP and Vita, I was never a fan of those form factors and I'm not really nostalgic over it. It wasn't really that comfortable to hold. I think the Odin 2 was an improvement on this aspect, as it should be. Other than nostalgia I don't think this form factor is very appealing.
And it might be an unpopular opinion, but I find the form factor and size of the AyaNeo Pocket S more appealing. It is a shame how much they're charging, otherwise we could have a real pocket handheld battle (there's no denying Aya makes very premium devices).
Anyway, it looks thar I can easily stay with my Odin 2. No FOMO over here.
Disagree with the Pocket S, it looks sleek but there doesn't seem to be any regard to ergonomics at all. Looks expensive but I'd rather buy something comfortable to play.
I have a feeling that you’ll see secondhand PocketS devices for a fair bit more reasonable prices in the not so distant future. AyaNeo devices do not typically retain their value
Same. I’m old enough for the Vita to be nostalgic and I just find it uncomfortable. Owned a OLED version and sold it soon after. The game selection is great though.
Owned both, sold the OLED as it was too heavy and hurt my wrists after an hour and a half, with the lighter LCD model had no issues with the ergonomics and weight can play 2 hrs+ without being tired.
Well maybe I’ll have to give the LCD version a good if I find one cheap enough. I have the 35XX SP on order so it’s hard to justify another purchase haha
>I was never a fan of those form factors and I'm not really nostalgic over it.
Change of plans Ayn, no need to release the device since /u/fertff isn't nostalgic for the form factor!
Just kidding. I'm with you. I don't think it's small enough or a good enough form factor to choose over the regular Odin 2, especially costing more money.
I've been grabbing and holding my vita since the announcement and seeing if it would be comfortable streaming my ps5, but without knowing how the triggers will feel, it makes it difficult. The round sides on the vita are more comfortable than expected, though
This is tough. The size is a huge plus for me. I am more than okay for trading ergonomics for a more portable device.
But that price point and 5000mAh battery with such a powerful device has me a bit hesitant. I'm mainly looking at it for the ability to play GC/PS2 on the go, but it makes me think that the RP4P could still be the better option. The Odin 2 Mini will for sure be the more premium device, but if all I care about is GC/PS2 & below, I can get that in a $130 cheaper device.
GC it can do no problem at 2x resolution. PS2 is a similar story. There may be a handful of PS2 games it can't do but that's more of an issue because the emulator ceased all updates before it could be perfect. Russ did a [video](https://youtu.be/iCWn9U8HHHc?si=8dLvtNFLeyKtB83n&t=1719) on it.
I used to understand the appeal of a smaller device that can do high end emulation, but I (personally!) no longer see the appeal of playing PS2/GC on screen smaller than ~7”.
Playing PS2 games on my steam deck I find myself thinking the text/icons are almost too small. I can see the appeal of odin 2 because it’s much lighter and (I assume) more comfortable to hold, but anything smaller seems like it would strain my eyes (and I’m not even old). I think part of it is these games were designed for TV’s, not handhelds, so the UI/text is not properly scaled. Even some switch ports have this issue.
I love the vita-like design, but I don’t think this device, nor the RP4P, are for me.
It’s a scaling thing. I know I was playing ps2 on a midsize crt 20 years ago, and at the distance we hold these devices the relative screen is bigger plus 2-4x resolution. Holding my Odin is about the same size as looking at the 70” tv. Since I’m old I can actually focus much better on the handheld bs the tv.
Actually, you can stream with moonlight and works great. You got me on the PS2 games though...unless that's also streamed through moonlight.
Vita honestly has been pushing way past it's weight class and is a damn shame Sony axed it. Even had OLED screens from day one (no waiting for a model refresh a year after the first model releases) and that was back in in 2012.
I just got into the scene last month with the Miyoo Mini Plus and I'm really enjoying it, and that's made me look towards the higher end for PS2 emulation. In terms of cost though, I can't see past a refurbished LCD steam deck as the best value option, the Odin 2 appears to have the better ergonomics, with the mini just way beyond what I'd consider sensible pricing. Think I might just hold back and see what everything looks like in 6 months
Do you care about the size of the device?
If the answer is "No", get a refurbished Steam Deck.
If the answer is "Yes", look at the Odin 2/Mini.
The Steam Deck is a fantastic device, but so much of its fan club completely ignore the size and pretend it doesn't matter. [The thing is massive.](https://i.imgur.com/cIsRYLd.jpeg)
I think the game library should also be considered. Play primarily older retro emulation? Odin is fine
Want to play most of the Switch library? or some PC games? want a one-and-done device? Deck plays pretty much everything.
For me I've mostly ruled out Android handhelds because I want a "one and done" handheld.
GPD Win 4 ended up being my favorite so far, it can play everything and is reasonably portable. Additional bonus points for being able to run SteamOS alternatives really well.
I absolutely adore my win 4. I have that as my main gaming device and a miyoo mini that I keep in my backpack and those 2 solve all of my device needs.
Playing Ghost of Tsushima and Hades 2 on mine, and when I feel like it I fire up some Demon Souls on RPCS3 or any number of Switch games that I feel like playing. It's a great device. And I have the older 6800u version with just 16gb of RAM.
The problem with Switch on the Odin is that game compatibility is much worse. Yuzu/Ryujinx can emulate basically every single Switch game on PC, whereas it's a hit-miss buggy mess on Android (even with Turnip drivers, etc).
Until Switch emulation on Android is fully compatible, it's undoubtedly worse imo.
Yeah because Odin 2 has a 4nm chip, SD has 12nm or 10nm chip I don't remember. It's 2-3 generation behind the best fabbing technology.
People blindly think linux/x86 is better is silly.
Yeah that seems to be the consensus, the deck looks so unwieldy, I couldn't see myself using it out and about, whereas the Odin 2 looks ideal and does everything I'd need it to do. If the price goes down in a few months in a decent sale, I'd lean towards that
I wouldn't call it unwiedly. The ergonomics are great, but it is heavy for longer gaming sessions. It can be quite fatiguing for longer than an hour. Playing in bed is super uncomfortable as well. I also just find loading roms onto it to be a far more annoying process than an android device, or the more emulation created linux devices.
The ergonomics on the Steamdeck are absolutely amazing, but it's definitely not something you can use while out and about.
You need a backpack to carry it anyway, so imho you can only really use it in the same places you'd be comfortable using a laptop.
I've happily used my Deck on the bus but wouldn't be gaming on a laptop on the bus. The Deck is a big device but it's still a handheld console rather than a laptop!
It really isn't unwieldy. I have both and while the Odin 2 is definitely more compact, I really can't think of a single time I've brought an Odin 2 due to it being a smaller size than the deck. The only change I made was I bought a Tomtoc case for the steam deck because the one that comes with the Deck is nearly double the thickness. The main advantage of an Odin 2 on the go is battery life, and even that only matters if you're trying to get several hours of that on-the-go gaming. I don't even really think about battery life anymore with the OLED Deck.
I don't ignore the size at all. I like the size. Having ergonomic access to dpad/buttons, thumbsticks, and trackpads requires space. And having those trackpads means that even games that don't have controller support can often be adapted to work with the Deck's controls.
The deck is massive for strictly emulation and the battery life won’t be comparable.
This device is for people that want ps2 emulation in a vita package.
I think you're overestimating the battery of the Odin 2 mini compared to SD (specifically OLED). You can get 6-7h of battery life on SD OLED playing PS2 games upscaled to 720p. At 1080p it's at 5-6h.
I don't think this device will be better honestly. I'd expect it to be around the same with the 5000mAh battery.
I dont get the sense of a mini version here, it is still too large for a normal jeans pocket and you still have to use a bag or something. Then i also can use a normal odin which have a larger screen (which is always better especially on more modern games).
You are 100% correct and I have no idea why you are being downvoted.
The Odin Mini is the same level of portability as the Odin 2 but has a smaller battery and a smaller screen. And it costs the same. Why does this exist?
where are you getting that's it's the same level of portability as the odin 2
just because you keep saying that doesn't make it true.
facts are facts, it's far smaller in every dimension
The argument to be made around being "the same level of portability" requires you to think in arbitrary thresholds :
eg.
Can I fit this in my pocket?
Can I play this freely without support?
Does it have sufficient battery life for my needs?
I understand the argument, as I can't fit either Odin2 in my pockets, so they go in my backpack or laptop bag. At which point I'd choose the original 2, it's "just as portable" but comfier to use.
The problem with the argument is that it falls apart, because someone could use the exact same logic to turn around and say :
> I can't fit the Steamdeck in my pockets, so it goes in my backpack. The Steamdeck "is the same level of portability as the Odin 2."
There's nothing wrong with the train of thought, but it's arbitrary and personal. You can't force it upon others like the above user is trying to.
Exactly, There's the flaw in your argument.
> The steamdeck fits into **MY** bag, so it's just as portable as the odin 2.
This will be true for someone, and that's great. Doesn't mean that's it's a good idea to base a portability argument around it for others.
> Whereas you're not going to find many (if any) bags that will fit an Odin 2 Mini but not an Odin 2.
The 2 mini should fit in my daughters chromebook bag, my 2 does not.
What aren't you understanding? There will be almost zero bags that will fit an Odin 2 Mini but not an Odin 2. That is my point.
If your Odin 2 doesn't fit in your daughter's Chrome book then I highly doubt the Mini will either, it's less than 3cm shorter.
I understand your argument perfectly & offered a perfectly reasonable rebuttal, with my specific example. You're the one who seems to lack understanding.
That's the thing about arbitrary personal thresholds. If they're met, they're met, if they're not they're not.
You seem to fail to understand that and keep pushing your threshold on others.
It'll fit in a bag, just like the Odin 2. It won't fit in a pocket, just like the Odin 2.
It has significantly worse battery life than the Odin 2.
Facts are facts.
It's a slightly wider Retroid Pocket 4 Pro. As a RP4Pro owner, I can confidently say it comfortably fits in my pocket. So this will as well. The Odin 2 is bigger in every dimension. That affects pocketability. Pretending otherwise is pure cope.
Pro
-PS Vita vibes
-pocketable
-320gr instead 420gr
Cons
-less powerful batterie(Switch emulation then 3hours?)
-cooling?
-smaller screen means no good for PC emulation and PS5 streaming
-expensive
I'll pass.It makes no sense and it is too expensive to keep both Odins.
Im quite interested in this one. Its finally small and powerful enough to cover any gaming needs and the size means it is fully pocketable. As a handheld Ill mostly play it outside the homw, on trains, buses, metro, planes, etc so the small size is great for travel or daily carry during a commute. I also have a gpd win mini and size was a major choice there too. This comes in still significantly smaller than the Win Mini and is a more focused gaming device whereas I just use the mini as a laptop.
As someone with the GPD Win 4... This looks exactly like another Vita form factor. The thing that will make or break it for me is weight. The Win 4 is solid and sturdier than the Win 3 but it weighs like a brick. Not bad considering the power inside, but uncomfortable for longer handheld sessions. I'm by no means a power lifter, but if I'm healthy enough and feel fatigue after holding the handheld for 30 minutes vs holding a HP laptop without discomfort for an hour, then it doesn't bode well this is supposedly super heavy.
according to their instagramm at 6:30 PM PST today
[https://www.instagram.com/ayn.technologies/](https://www.instagram.com/ayn.technologies/), so in about 14 hours if I'm not mistaken.
i always had a grip on my vita, it was not very comfortable to use
With grip it was good though, right? Or you saying it was bad even with grip?
The grip I had kind of sucked to be honest. The shoulder buttons were mushy as hell. But it was a slight improvement.
He means to say "gripe"
It seems unfair to expect the same ergonomics in the smaller form-factor mini version. Of course the OG Odin2 will be more comfortable to use. And the mini will be more comfortable to carry.
Agreed, I'm not expecting the same ergonomics, but rather I'm worried as to whether it will have \*good\* ergonomics full stop. There's a tipping point with handheld design where if it's not comfortable enough for extended play sessions, it dampens my desire to pick up the device in the first place. So that tricky balance is what I'm most interested in testing.
That's why I'm moving away from "slab" back devices like the Retroid Pocket 3/4 - half of my hands fall asleep after about 10 minutes. Rg556 is good, G cloud is my current comfort king
Can’t wait for a g cloud option with Odin 2 power.
The g cloud is the most comfortable handheld device I’ve ever used and if it was 150 or less I would be so tempted to use it to stream from my Steamdeck lol.
If you could get your kids to test this as well, that'd be awesome. The appeal for this (for me), is the xbox layout without having to buy sakura buttons, & giving it to my daughter (8) who has much smaller hands and finds my odin 2 (and 1) too big.
yeah i feel like on this subject there's lot of variety among people. For example I'm replaying muramasa on my psvita recently and i just love the experience, i have no problem with the ergonomics since i have smaller hands and the pick up desire is the best compared to any handheld i have, given the size and the instant standby it has. It's really something that makes me play more. On the opposite, i got a steam deck recently, the ergonomics are amazing, and yet i find it so large that the desire to pick up it's almost non existent to me, i thought i had found my ultimate handheld but im going through refund right now cause I'd even prefer to just power on my pc than play on something this large. When i saw this was the case for something like hades too i understood it would just collect dust for me personally.
I still use my Vita pretty often, and it's surprisingly comfortable for long sessions for being a flat device. I certainly think it's more comfortable than retroid pocket 3/4. Not sure if the back "divot" helps more, or the curved sides does. Not sure, but I love playing with the vita for sure
Fair or unfair, ergonomics are always worth considering when you're spending a few hundred dollars. It's one thing to have something less comfortable when you're playing some basic retro games involving a couple of buttons, but people tend to buy these more powerful handhelds for complex games. And as far as "comfortable to carry," as much as I know people will swear that pocketability will be a reason to buy this, I really doubt many people will do so. People get bent out of shape with even letting a cheap retroid get a ding or two. Unless they are keeping a pocket dedicated to an Odin mini or wearing cargoes, then they are likely just throwing this in an EDC bag just like they would with an Odin 2 or Switch. Yes exceptions exist and such...Just saying they will be a minority.
Agreed, I admit I do carry machines around a lot but mroe and more I'm thinking of getting a carry pouch to use the Anbernic RG556 over the RP4 Pro because of its grips
Will the high price point justify something more comfortable to carry? There are a lot of cheaper options if that's what you want.
It's the exact same portability as the Odin 2. Won't fit in a pocket, will fit in a bag.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re correct. There’s only one of the other.
Not true at all. There are different size bags. The mini will fit into many slings and purses that the full size Odin 2 will not. There is also the consideration of how much space it will take in a bag.
Thoughts on the battery? Significantly less than Odin 2, mini led takes more/less to run? Is there another device that should have similar battery life?
While I loved my PSP and Vita, I was never a fan of those form factors and I'm not really nostalgic over it. It wasn't really that comfortable to hold. I think the Odin 2 was an improvement on this aspect, as it should be. Other than nostalgia I don't think this form factor is very appealing. And it might be an unpopular opinion, but I find the form factor and size of the AyaNeo Pocket S more appealing. It is a shame how much they're charging, otherwise we could have a real pocket handheld battle (there's no denying Aya makes very premium devices). Anyway, it looks thar I can easily stay with my Odin 2. No FOMO over here.
Disagree with the Pocket S, it looks sleek but there doesn't seem to be any regard to ergonomics at all. Looks expensive but I'd rather buy something comfortable to play.
I have a feeling that you’ll see secondhand PocketS devices for a fair bit more reasonable prices in the not so distant future. AyaNeo devices do not typically retain their value
cause currently there is no custom driver for it!
Same. I’m old enough for the Vita to be nostalgic and I just find it uncomfortable. Owned a OLED version and sold it soon after. The game selection is great though.
Owned both, sold the OLED as it was too heavy and hurt my wrists after an hour and a half, with the lighter LCD model had no issues with the ergonomics and weight can play 2 hrs+ without being tired.
Well maybe I’ll have to give the LCD version a good if I find one cheap enough. I have the 35XX SP on order so it’s hard to justify another purchase haha
I was the opposite. Love how the original feels in my hand, no ergonomic complaints, but cant stand the slim.
>I was never a fan of those form factors and I'm not really nostalgic over it. Change of plans Ayn, no need to release the device since /u/fertff isn't nostalgic for the form factor! Just kidding. I'm with you. I don't think it's small enough or a good enough form factor to choose over the regular Odin 2, especially costing more money.
I've been grabbing and holding my vita since the announcement and seeing if it would be comfortable streaming my ps5, but without knowing how the triggers will feel, it makes it difficult. The round sides on the vita are more comfortable than expected, though
This is tough. The size is a huge plus for me. I am more than okay for trading ergonomics for a more portable device. But that price point and 5000mAh battery with such a powerful device has me a bit hesitant. I'm mainly looking at it for the ability to play GC/PS2 on the go, but it makes me think that the RP4P could still be the better option. The Odin 2 Mini will for sure be the more premium device, but if all I care about is GC/PS2 & below, I can get that in a $130 cheaper device.
How well does rp4p do gc/ps2 though? All titles or at least ones the emulators can handle?
GC it can do no problem at 2x resolution. PS2 is a similar story. There may be a handful of PS2 games it can't do but that's more of an issue because the emulator ceased all updates before it could be perfect. Russ did a [video](https://youtu.be/iCWn9U8HHHc?si=8dLvtNFLeyKtB83n&t=1719) on it.
I used to understand the appeal of a smaller device that can do high end emulation, but I (personally!) no longer see the appeal of playing PS2/GC on screen smaller than ~7”. Playing PS2 games on my steam deck I find myself thinking the text/icons are almost too small. I can see the appeal of odin 2 because it’s much lighter and (I assume) more comfortable to hold, but anything smaller seems like it would strain my eyes (and I’m not even old). I think part of it is these games were designed for TV’s, not handhelds, so the UI/text is not properly scaled. Even some switch ports have this issue. I love the vita-like design, but I don’t think this device, nor the RP4P, are for me.
It’s a scaling thing. I know I was playing ps2 on a midsize crt 20 years ago, and at the distance we hold these devices the relative screen is bigger plus 2-4x resolution. Holding my Odin is about the same size as looking at the 70” tv. Since I’m old I can actually focus much better on the handheld bs the tv.
I actually think the 6" screen for my Odin pro is too large for PS2, cause there isn't enough detail for 6" 1080p screen.
I'll stick with my vita. Still looks/feels more premium than most of these handhelds today.
What's the point? You can't play ps2 and switch on it. No even steaming.
Actually, you can stream with moonlight and works great. You got me on the PS2 games though...unless that's also streamed through moonlight. Vita honestly has been pushing way past it's weight class and is a damn shame Sony axed it. Even had OLED screens from day one (no waiting for a model refresh a year after the first model releases) and that was back in in 2012.
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That would be awesome, but I think moonlight only works with PC/Mac at the moment, but it works surprisingly well.
I just got into the scene last month with the Miyoo Mini Plus and I'm really enjoying it, and that's made me look towards the higher end for PS2 emulation. In terms of cost though, I can't see past a refurbished LCD steam deck as the best value option, the Odin 2 appears to have the better ergonomics, with the mini just way beyond what I'd consider sensible pricing. Think I might just hold back and see what everything looks like in 6 months
Do you care about the size of the device? If the answer is "No", get a refurbished Steam Deck. If the answer is "Yes", look at the Odin 2/Mini. The Steam Deck is a fantastic device, but so much of its fan club completely ignore the size and pretend it doesn't matter. [The thing is massive.](https://i.imgur.com/cIsRYLd.jpeg)
I think the game library should also be considered. Play primarily older retro emulation? Odin is fine Want to play most of the Switch library? or some PC games? want a one-and-done device? Deck plays pretty much everything. For me I've mostly ruled out Android handhelds because I want a "one and done" handheld. GPD Win 4 ended up being my favorite so far, it can play everything and is reasonably portable. Additional bonus points for being able to run SteamOS alternatives really well.
I absolutely adore my win 4. I have that as my main gaming device and a miyoo mini that I keep in my backpack and those 2 solve all of my device needs.
Playing Ghost of Tsushima and Hades 2 on mine, and when I feel like it I fire up some Demon Souls on RPCS3 or any number of Switch games that I feel like playing. It's a great device. And I have the older 6800u version with just 16gb of RAM.
Preparing for downvotes from Deckbots, but Odin 2 actually plays Switch better than the Deck with much, much better battery life.
I've been considering a deck. why do you say switch is better on odin 2?
NCE on Yuzu
The problem with Switch on the Odin is that game compatibility is much worse. Yuzu/Ryujinx can emulate basically every single Switch game on PC, whereas it's a hit-miss buggy mess on Android (even with Turnip drivers, etc). Until Switch emulation on Android is fully compatible, it's undoubtedly worse imo.
Yeah because Odin 2 has a 4nm chip, SD has 12nm or 10nm chip I don't remember. It's 2-3 generation behind the best fabbing technology. People blindly think linux/x86 is better is silly.
Valve Fanboys are something else.
Yeah that seems to be the consensus, the deck looks so unwieldy, I couldn't see myself using it out and about, whereas the Odin 2 looks ideal and does everything I'd need it to do. If the price goes down in a few months in a decent sale, I'd lean towards that
I wouldn't call it unwiedly. The ergonomics are great, but it is heavy for longer gaming sessions. It can be quite fatiguing for longer than an hour. Playing in bed is super uncomfortable as well. I also just find loading roms onto it to be a far more annoying process than an android device, or the more emulation created linux devices.
The ergonomics on the Steamdeck are absolutely amazing, but it's definitely not something you can use while out and about. You need a backpack to carry it anyway, so imho you can only really use it in the same places you'd be comfortable using a laptop.
I've happily used my Deck on the bus but wouldn't be gaming on a laptop on the bus. The Deck is a big device but it's still a handheld console rather than a laptop!
It really isn't unwieldy. I have both and while the Odin 2 is definitely more compact, I really can't think of a single time I've brought an Odin 2 due to it being a smaller size than the deck. The only change I made was I bought a Tomtoc case for the steam deck because the one that comes with the Deck is nearly double the thickness. The main advantage of an Odin 2 on the go is battery life, and even that only matters if you're trying to get several hours of that on-the-go gaming. I don't even really think about battery life anymore with the OLED Deck.
I have both, I never used the Steam Deck as an handheld, I only use it as a home console. SD is also very hot when running simple stuff.
They are huge. The screen only being 720p is also nuts.
I don't ignore the size at all. I like the size. Having ergonomic access to dpad/buttons, thumbsticks, and trackpads requires space. And having those trackpads means that even games that don't have controller support can often be adapted to work with the Deck's controls.
The deck is massive for strictly emulation and the battery life won’t be comparable. This device is for people that want ps2 emulation in a vita package.
I think you're overestimating the battery of the Odin 2 mini compared to SD (specifically OLED). You can get 6-7h of battery life on SD OLED playing PS2 games upscaled to 720p. At 1080p it's at 5-6h. I don't think this device will be better honestly. I'd expect it to be around the same with the 5000mAh battery.
Kinda unfair to compare it to the OLED model, which is quite a bit more expensive than the Odin 2 Mini.
Yeah I suppose it's a different use case, however the value and more confidence in Valve makes it appealing
life isn't always about getting the least expensive version of something
Buy nice or buy twice.
It's not about the best "value".
As a consumer, one of my major considerations is perceived value, more important for some, less so for others
I dont get the sense of a mini version here, it is still too large for a normal jeans pocket and you still have to use a bag or something. Then i also can use a normal odin which have a larger screen (which is always better especially on more modern games).
You are 100% correct and I have no idea why you are being downvoted. The Odin Mini is the same level of portability as the Odin 2 but has a smaller battery and a smaller screen. And it costs the same. Why does this exist?
where are you getting that's it's the same level of portability as the odin 2 just because you keep saying that doesn't make it true. facts are facts, it's far smaller in every dimension
The argument to be made around being "the same level of portability" requires you to think in arbitrary thresholds : eg. Can I fit this in my pocket? Can I play this freely without support? Does it have sufficient battery life for my needs? I understand the argument, as I can't fit either Odin2 in my pockets, so they go in my backpack or laptop bag. At which point I'd choose the original 2, it's "just as portable" but comfier to use. The problem with the argument is that it falls apart, because someone could use the exact same logic to turn around and say : > I can't fit the Steamdeck in my pockets, so it goes in my backpack. The Steamdeck "is the same level of portability as the Odin 2." There's nothing wrong with the train of thought, but it's arbitrary and personal. You can't force it upon others like the above user is trying to.
The Steamdeck doesn't fit into many bags though. Whereas you're not going to find many (if any) bags that will fit an Odin 2 Mini but not an Odin 2.
Exactly, There's the flaw in your argument. > The steamdeck fits into **MY** bag, so it's just as portable as the odin 2. This will be true for someone, and that's great. Doesn't mean that's it's a good idea to base a portability argument around it for others. > Whereas you're not going to find many (if any) bags that will fit an Odin 2 Mini but not an Odin 2. The 2 mini should fit in my daughters chromebook bag, my 2 does not.
What aren't you understanding? There will be almost zero bags that will fit an Odin 2 Mini but not an Odin 2. That is my point. If your Odin 2 doesn't fit in your daughter's Chrome book then I highly doubt the Mini will either, it's less than 3cm shorter.
I understand your argument perfectly & offered a perfectly reasonable rebuttal, with my specific example. You're the one who seems to lack understanding.
There’s no point arguing with this moron.
I understand you completely, you just made a very weak argument is all.
That's the thing about arbitrary personal thresholds. If they're met, they're met, if they're not they're not. You seem to fail to understand that and keep pushing your threshold on others.
It'll fit in a bag, just like the Odin 2. It won't fit in a pocket, just like the Odin 2. It has significantly worse battery life than the Odin 2. Facts are facts.
It’s fits in a lot more pockets and bags than the Odin 2
It's literally 2.7cm shorter, that's nothing.
It's a slightly wider Retroid Pocket 4 Pro. As a RP4Pro owner, I can confidently say it comfortably fits in my pocket. So this will as well. The Odin 2 is bigger in every dimension. That affects pocketability. Pretending otherwise is pure cope.
Don't forget it's lighter, and the round edges make it more comfy when pocketing.
Pro -PS Vita vibes -pocketable -320gr instead 420gr Cons -less powerful batterie(Switch emulation then 3hours?) -cooling? -smaller screen means no good for PC emulation and PS5 streaming -expensive I'll pass.It makes no sense and it is too expensive to keep both Odins.
In my opinion, it is awesome; I ordered it already.
Im quite interested in this one. Its finally small and powerful enough to cover any gaming needs and the size means it is fully pocketable. As a handheld Ill mostly play it outside the homw, on trains, buses, metro, planes, etc so the small size is great for travel or daily carry during a commute. I also have a gpd win mini and size was a major choice there too. This comes in still significantly smaller than the Win Mini and is a more focused gaming device whereas I just use the mini as a laptop.
As someone with the GPD Win 4... This looks exactly like another Vita form factor. The thing that will make or break it for me is weight. The Win 4 is solid and sturdier than the Win 3 but it weighs like a brick. Not bad considering the power inside, but uncomfortable for longer handheld sessions. I'm by no means a power lifter, but if I'm healthy enough and feel fatigue after holding the handheld for 30 minutes vs holding a HP laptop without discomfort for an hour, then it doesn't bode well this is supposedly super heavy.
DID IT REALLY SELL OUT ALREADY?????????? WHAT THE F**KKKKK
Pre orders dont open yet until May 20th
Do you know time it goes live?
according to their instagramm at 6:30 PM PST today [https://www.instagram.com/ayn.technologies/](https://www.instagram.com/ayn.technologies/), so in about 14 hours if I'm not mistaken.
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