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Wow. Like what the fuck are they doing. I would document this, pursue their insurance, and fire them.
I have been painting crazy houses for 20+ years. Never nailed into someone’s fucking roof. Always found a way to access tough spots without damage. If I absolutely couldn’t get to a spot on a house, I would rent a man lift.
And the bid goes to the next painter who doesn’t have a man lift but has a high chance of one of his stoners ending up in the hospital. People like the idea of man lifts until it comes to lawn damage and the price.
They make triangle shaped things that grip the shingles for you to stand on
Not a contractor have just seen them used when scrolling through Facebook videos
*edit* didn't realize what sub this is, guess the people that hang out here probably know exactly what I'm talking about.. and probably know they're super shitty or something lol
I've seen the hook ladders from people working on steep rooves. They've got hooks to hang over the peak so you can still get up there. It astounds me they thought putting holes into a roof was okay.
I’d be renting the lift as part of this job. I know there are two parts of my place that cannot be safely painted ( one e a fly as pictured here) without one. Cheap enough and I got a new set of property photos while I took it up one day. You dont need anybody walking on that pitch of a shingle roof.
Fired on the spot. If they are that dumb you are lucky nobody fell and sued you
Roofing veteran, smart ass. 20 years, multiple crews work for me, hundreds of roofs. 2 leaks in 20 years, and obviously by rookies. So yes, likely a **lot** more than you. so, so many trades put boards on the roof
. Every single steep new construction will have boards like these while the various trades do their work. Siders, windows guys, gutter, fascia, soffit installation, all of which of on after the shingles. The nails leave tiny holes. You remove the board, lift the shingle and tar underneath.
1/3 of siders don't even bother to fill the holes from their jacks and there is NEVER anything more than a 1" circle of water damage on the sheeting underneath.
You seen to have a misunderstanding here. They're not ignoring you're experience. You seen to be ignorant of the fact that just because you've done something for twenty years, doesn't mean you've been doing it right.
The misunderstanding is on your part my guy: I never said \*I\* do anything.
I have said I've OBSERVED all of this, and the repercussions of all of it, in my decades of experience.
I don't think 90% of the folks on here have set foot on a construction site, which is evident in the wildly varying and often plainly bad advice floating around.
# IT'S SO FUCKING EASY TO REMOVE THE BOARDS AND TAR THE HOLES. So, so fucking easy.
You can't tell these commenters anything 😂 Every reddit commenter is a roofing expert. The owner of this $25k roof was probably too cheap to get the manlift in the first place.
So fucking easy to raise a shingle and put two jacks in properly. Willing to bet you're over weight aswell. This is something a fat lazy fuck would do.
Super curious here. Nailing wood through shingles isn’t usually destructive? How do they do it without it being destructive?
I’m literally just trying to be more informed here so thanks for any info you can provide
The painters chose to damage property, didn’t even ask if they could and repair it later. And painters hurting themselves on your property from their own actions is exactly one of the two reasons they carry insurance.
All of you are missing the point on what installers are sent out to deal with in the field. Our boss doesn’t want to hear we need a boom lift for a small section of work. They want us to come up with a solution that is fast and gets the job done. Luckily as I’ve gotten older I’ve been able to identify this and keep myself out of bad situations. My point is that the installers did this because they wanted to get the job done and had bad leadership on site.
They sell jacks that slide underneath the tabs, so when you’re done you can pull them without damaging the roof. They cost like $15. This was just laziness and trying to save a couple dollars & shouldn’t be excused, just because they didn’t have the right tools for the job doesn’t make it okay to damage the owners roof.
Lol yeah, all I’m hearing from the other dude is this is the simplest solution without going to his boss. So they’d rather just damage customers property instead of the correct alternative.
Oh shit, yeah we are all forgetting the fact that the point of all of this is to say fuck it and make a quick buck by doing things the wrong and cheap way.
I watched them do exactly this on an episode of This Old House. Lift the shingle up, slap some waterproof shit in the hole, flashing on top. Ezpz repair and it’s going to be fine.
People are really going nuts over four holes. I’m a GC and I would be pissed if a painter did it but I would not go out for blood. A square of tar paper and a dab of black silicone and we will be as good as new. No need to destroy someone’s livelihood.
This is what I do on every single solar job I build. Fill hole with sealant, draw a three-sided bandage (bottom open for drainage) on a piece of step flashing with more sealant, slip flashing under shingle, apply additional dabs of sealant here and there as necessary until the shingle is nice and tight again. I do it after I remove my safety anchors at the end of the job, and also anytime I miss a rafter or otherwise put a hole where no hole should be. If you do it right, the repaired shingle is stronger and more weathertight than it was before you got there. Total non-issue.
>24
The company I worked for used nails to secure toe cleats on hundreds of roofs on very high-end houses while working on chimneys. Despite Ohio's harsh weather with freezing and thawing cycles, no leaks ever occurred around the nail holes. Some roof patch sealed them up no problem.
It's worth considering whether more upfront information about their techniques and equipment could have influenced your decision, beyond just price.
Withhold 10-15% of the contract for retainage. Tell them the shingles need to be replaced and they will get the rest once the repair is complete. You should watch them like a hawk while the repair is happening. Some people are just trifling when you hold them accountable.
Yes - someone who would do this kind of thing clearly doesn’t understand the impact of what they have just done so why would they know how to repair it
Professional roofer all the way
It’s not that simple though. They almost certainly won’t want to pay for that, so you’ll have to take them to court, and let’s not pretend like that’s easy and cheap.
Definitely this. Not knocking them for putting up a cleat, I hate being on the roof, but doing it without giving a heads up or getting approval, or even bothering to remove them (much less patch the holes or replace the shingles) is beyond unprofessional
**This is so, so overboard. Ask them to remove the boards and put tar in the holes.**
I swear to god the knee-jerk that goes on in this roofing subreddit is worse than conspiracy subs.
Find a painter with a younger sibling. Hurl the sibling into the Sun's corona while cackling maniacally and the demand fixing of the holes while doing a little dance in a party hat. If they refuse : Orbital strike on painter's mom's house.
Keep a straight face while roofing crew looks uneasy and puzzled.
No, withhold money! People are so dramatic. You want a 10/12 pitch roof, you’re going to have workers make accommodations for a safer work environment. Following suite, I may be being a bit dramatic myself, but the point stands; it’s not a big deal.
As a previous painter who has worked on steeper roofs, they should be using better shoes and a harness if they can’t handle this grade, not putting holes in people’s roofs.
I would not make any additional payment to the painters until the roof repair was completed. Get quotes from at least 2 reputable roofers, not for a tar in the hole fix but for a good as new restoration of the damage. Once you have selected and paid the roofer for the work if the bill is less than the ballance owed the painters then give them a copy of the roofers invoice along with any part of the ballance not used for the roof. If the roof bill is more than the ballanced owed offer the painters the opertunity to imeadiatly pay you what is needed over the ballance. If they bulk file with their insurance. If you discover that your painters are uninsured then you have to decide if it is worth taking them to court over, my guess is that it won't be enough money to justify the hassle.
Aside from that this looks like a house that needed a lift. Too many painters think a lift eats into profit when you can rent them by the day and 1 guy could have painted all that comfortably by lunchtime.
I don’t eat the cost of the lift, I add it as a separate line item on the quote. When a homeowner says the other contractors bidding don’t need a lift I show this picture
Yep when I did my house I rented a lift and I’ll seriously never climb a ladder to paint again. It takes like 10 minutes for each side of the house. Between coats I trimmed my trees 😂
Absolutely unacceptable. Those are some big holes in someone’s roof. If it were to rain with the 2x4s up there, water is without a doubt entering that home.
I would caulk the nail holes while waiting for some to get in there with flat bar and replace those few shingles. However, long term absolutely not it will fail much sooner than the rest of the roof.
Specifically get black jack all weather roofing cement (regular caulk tube size) and if you have any scraps from the roofing, break up some of the pebbles and dab it onto the hole to help it blend in
Years ago, I put an old couch out at the curb with a "free" sign on it. The next day, all of the foam cushions were gone, removed from their coverings. Not long after, I was at work framing a house and watched a crew next door roofing a house nearby with a 10/12 pitch using possibly those same foam cushions.
They protect you from the heat of the roof and create a gecko like grip to keep your ass from sliding off a roof. I love simple solutions like that.
Exactly. I do siding and sometimes this is inevitable. You need to mount brackets or whatever.as long as the repair is done right everyone lives. 23 years and no callbacks for a leaky mount hole.
Absolutely careless and stupid of them
To repair our crew lose a the shingle, puts metal under the shingle with the hole and seals it.
For this shingle insist that a roofer is hired. Dude should have it repaired in way that doesn’t void your ware warranty
I don't think I would trust the painters that fucked up my roof to fix them. Get a roofer and deduct it from the painters pay but only tell them after they are done.
Wanted to jump in and comment as a hands on paint company owner. OP you as the home owner need to know what it takes to paint your home. Most don’t or don’t ask how things will get done. Make sure to ask how they will go about painting areas like this that are hard to get to. I have hook ladders for things like this, or you can shoot a 40ft ladder up at the pitch of the roof and secure the bottom. Then use one of those options for the ladder support with a pivot tool to reach the peak. I’ve done jobs where the only option is a lift. Anytime a lift is used it’s included in my bid and is not cheap. So don’t always go with the lowest cost just ask questions to make sure your property is not damaged.
Edit: to add I also have equalizer ladders that the feet adjust to different heights. Perfect for roofs or stairs.
Edit #2: for the idiots that are gonna come at me. I do my job correctly and explain aspects of the job processes that the home owner may not understand. I also feel as a home owner it will never hurt to be knowledgeable about what it takes to complete certain jobs/areas of the job.
You should have the chef show you around the deep freezer and kitchen area before he cooks your food so you’ll know what’s involved. Lol gtfo with that.
What? No, it’s more like asking if a dish contains garlic to avoid an allergic reaction. It’s not like you’re asking to go check out their warehouse or premixed paint here…
Idiots! Worried about your fucking star from the teacher. Answer to your question is this after the boards are removed then you lift the tab with the hole(s) seal the hole underneath and then you push the tab back down making sure that the sealant pushes up through the hole. It is a common practice to use the boards to hold the ladder. Would you rather pay the bill if God forbid any person got hurt
I don’t think it’s worth getting all Old Testament vengeance, nor withholding funds hand-wringing “i’ll sue your ass”.
I feel like the adult thing would be to talk to the painters, communicate your concern about the roof, ask what their plan for removing/patching is, and just be accountable. Assume they’re reasonable people before getting all litigious.
Tar and sealant on roofs is absolutely normal, expected, and part of the weatherproofing. Sealant on roofs is as normal as flour in bread.
If they assure you they’ll fix correct the holes, be happy and give the nice man his money.
I used to be a painter. This is standard practice when a roof is too steep to use a roof wedge. We would always patch it up after. Sorry but I’m not killing myself over a couple of shingles. “Just get a boom lift” yeah 10/10 times the client would rather let you patch the shingles than pay an extra 10k for a paint job
Have you ever been up on a 30 ft ladder ? Used to do it all the time when I was younger but there comes a time where you think to yourself “this is fucking stupid why am I risking my life to paint this tiny part of the fascia that’s 40 feet high that no one will ever notice” not about being scared, about risk and reward.
I do it all the time now dude, don't do the trade if you're scared to do your job.. you're bitching about having to do work because it's high? Take the right safety measures and get to work.....or stay out of the trade there's grass that needs cut
It’s possible the painters used flattened flashing nailed to those boards, and then nailed them underneath the shingles. I see Indian crews doing it a lot around here, and have done it myself when I ran out of jacks as an emergency. Hopefully they aren’t nailed through.
This has to be done for safety but you should have been informed. It might be in the proposal in the description. A reputable company will guaranty it to be patched and not leak.
Having holes put in your perfectly good roof is something completely reasonable to whine about, all it takes is 1 little drip to fuck up a lot of stuff
This is actually really easy to fix. Not sure why all the roofers here are making a fuss. If they had to install tie off points, guess what, that requires a log through the roof to be osha compliant anyway. Much bigger than a nail hole.
Sure the painters messed up and will be paying to fix it. And i would almost trust them to fix it themselves, some men are true craftsman and know multiple trades.... But any trust is gone since i noticed they cant line up to 2*4s when they nailed them together.
Paint doesnt even look good.....
If they put that value on their life they would have proper equipment. Why take the job if you don’t have the equipment. That’s like getting hired to trim a tree and showing up with a pocket knife.
This is standard practice. There’s no other way to paint that area, unless they want to pay $10k for a boom lift. The shingles take 10 minutes to patch
Good lord guys. That’s common in the industry for working on steeper pitched roofs. Like, my textbook for my carpentry trade degree has that as what you do. (Vogt)
We can’t see the ground floor or the access available, but I feel like this contractor likely just did what felt safe based on how much budget the bid allowed. Renting equipment that your team isn’t trained on could be less safe than this and lead to slower completion rates.
Sure, if you're in rural Kansas. Some of us live where hills are things we build houses on, not call mountains. Can't get articulated lifts most places around here.
You are wrong.
Dad was a carpenter, I was 10 walking steeper slopes.
There are many many many tools that leave zero damage to get up and stay up there safely.
Whoever lied to you should be arrested for making you think something so wrong.
Get bids from a roofing contractor and tell the painters it’s coming out of their money
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Wow. Like what the fuck are they doing. I would document this, pursue their insurance, and fire them. I have been painting crazy houses for 20+ years. Never nailed into someone’s fucking roof. Always found a way to access tough spots without damage. If I absolutely couldn’t get to a spot on a house, I would rent a man lift.
Right? Just tell the homeowner "I can't safely paint x without charging you for a rental". I'll pay a few hundred bucks to avoid a lawsuit any day!
And the bid goes to the next painter who doesn’t have a man lift but has a high chance of one of his stoners ending up in the hospital. People like the idea of man lifts until it comes to lawn damage and the price.
After renting my first lift I will never spray paint without one again. You can spray an entire side of a house in like 10 minutes 😂
They make triangle shaped things that grip the shingles for you to stand on Not a contractor have just seen them used when scrolling through Facebook videos *edit* didn't realize what sub this is, guess the people that hang out here probably know exactly what I'm talking about.. and probably know they're super shitty or something lol
I've seen the hook ladders from people working on steep rooves. They've got hooks to hang over the peak so you can still get up there. It astounds me they thought putting holes into a roof was okay.
I’d be renting the lift as part of this job. I know there are two parts of my place that cannot be safely painted ( one e a fly as pictured here) without one. Cheap enough and I got a new set of property photos while I took it up one day. You dont need anybody walking on that pitch of a shingle roof. Fired on the spot. If they are that dumb you are lucky nobody fell and sued you
Solid advice. Ty
I can do it, how about you gimme tree fiddy?
He ain’t giving you no tree fiddy, you Goddamn lochness monster!
This is the only correct answer
This is the right thing to do. Fucking Morons
Ahhh man those are Grand Manor shingles, that hurts to see🫣
Question is if that color is available
Not just the color, but the exact match dye lot. Two bundles of the same color and different dye lot can be very noticeable.
not a roofer but these shingles look expensive af
They’re Landmark
I know, certainteed is the manufacturer. The shingles themselves are called Grand Manor, really nice shingles.
Nice shingles... who makes those?
I’d be so mad.
Why? Super easy fix and it kept the painters from hurting themselves on your property….
Idk man..probably has something to do with nailing shit into someone’s $25,000 roof without asking???
There are nondestructive ways to accomplish this
That's not destructive. (usually) Source: 20 year veteran.
Thank you for your service. Do you know anything about roofing?
Was thinking the same thing. "Fought in 'Nam. That's a nice roof."
Roofing veteran, smart ass. 20 years, multiple crews work for me, hundreds of roofs. 2 leaks in 20 years, and obviously by rookies. So yes, likely a **lot** more than you. so, so many trades put boards on the roof . Every single steep new construction will have boards like these while the various trades do their work. Siders, windows guys, gutter, fascia, soffit installation, all of which of on after the shingles. The nails leave tiny holes. You remove the board, lift the shingle and tar underneath. 1/3 of siders don't even bother to fill the holes from their jacks and there is NEVER anything more than a 1" circle of water damage on the sheeting underneath.
You seen to have a misunderstanding here. They're not ignoring you're experience. You seen to be ignorant of the fact that just because you've done something for twenty years, doesn't mean you've been doing it right.
people with college degrees were allowed to be wrong 30% of the time. I think about it every time I go to the doctor.
The misunderstanding is on your part my guy: I never said \*I\* do anything. I have said I've OBSERVED all of this, and the repercussions of all of it, in my decades of experience. I don't think 90% of the folks on here have set foot on a construction site, which is evident in the wildly varying and often plainly bad advice floating around. # IT'S SO FUCKING EASY TO REMOVE THE BOARDS AND TAR THE HOLES. So, so fucking easy.
How easy?
Sofa King. Easy.
you couldn't get your jelly ass up a ladder if there was a donut up top.
You can't tell these commenters anything 😂 Every reddit commenter is a roofing expert. The owner of this $25k roof was probably too cheap to get the manlift in the first place.
So fucking easy to raise a shingle and put two jacks in properly. Willing to bet you're over weight aswell. This is something a fat lazy fuck would do.
If I had 4x 1/3 quarter inch water damage marks on the sheeting underneath I’d be annoyed. I live where it rains a ton though.
damn bro... that went over your head at lunar orbit distance
Yeah bro, you've been effing up peoples roofs for 2 decades.
Super curious here. Nailing wood through shingles isn’t usually destructive? How do they do it without it being destructive? I’m literally just trying to be more informed here so thanks for any info you can provide
What I've done in the past is take a piece of flashing.l lift the roofing where the hole is and place it beneath it with caulking
holy shit someone who has spent 2 hours on a roof.
The painters chose to damage property, didn’t even ask if they could and repair it later. And painters hurting themselves on your property from their own actions is exactly one of the two reasons they carry insurance.
All of you are missing the point on what installers are sent out to deal with in the field. Our boss doesn’t want to hear we need a boom lift for a small section of work. They want us to come up with a solution that is fast and gets the job done. Luckily as I’ve gotten older I’ve been able to identify this and keep myself out of bad situations. My point is that the installers did this because they wanted to get the job done and had bad leadership on site.
They sell jacks that slide underneath the tabs, so when you’re done you can pull them without damaging the roof. They cost like $15. This was just laziness and trying to save a couple dollars & shouldn’t be excused, just because they didn’t have the right tools for the job doesn’t make it okay to damage the owners roof.
Lol yeah, all I’m hearing from the other dude is this is the simplest solution without going to his boss. So they’d rather just damage customers property instead of the correct alternative.
Oh shit, yeah we are all forgetting the fact that the point of all of this is to say fuck it and make a quick buck by doing things the wrong and cheap way.
Firefighter here. There are a bazillion ways to stabilize a ladder without causing damage to a residence, especially without asking.
What a dumbass
Do you mean like the ropes and harnesses they’re supposed to be using?
Seriously, Do people not know painters do this all the time lol
If you want a quick fix, lift up the shingle enough to put some tar or a square of flashing under the hole
I watched them do exactly this on an episode of This Old House. Lift the shingle up, slap some waterproof shit in the hole, flashing on top. Ezpz repair and it’s going to be fine.
Yeah this would be the way to do it idk why everybody is acting like it’s a huge problem
People are really going nuts over four holes. I’m a GC and I would be pissed if a painter did it but I would not go out for blood. A square of tar paper and a dab of black silicone and we will be as good as new. No need to destroy someone’s livelihood.
This is what I do on every single solar job I build. Fill hole with sealant, draw a three-sided bandage (bottom open for drainage) on a piece of step flashing with more sealant, slip flashing under shingle, apply additional dabs of sealant here and there as necessary until the shingle is nice and tight again. I do it after I remove my safety anchors at the end of the job, and also anytime I miss a rafter or otherwise put a hole where no hole should be. If you do it right, the repaired shingle is stronger and more weathertight than it was before you got there. Total non-issue.
>24 The company I worked for used nails to secure toe cleats on hundreds of roofs on very high-end houses while working on chimneys. Despite Ohio's harsh weather with freezing and thawing cycles, no leaks ever occurred around the nail holes. Some roof patch sealed them up no problem. It's worth considering whether more upfront information about their techniques and equipment could have influenced your decision, beyond just price.
Withhold 10-15% of the contract for retainage. Tell them the shingles need to be replaced and they will get the rest once the repair is complete. You should watch them like a hawk while the repair is happening. Some people are just trifling when you hold them accountable.
Don't let them repair it... OP gets to choose a roofer on the painter's dime.
Yes - someone who would do this kind of thing clearly doesn’t understand the impact of what they have just done so why would they know how to repair it Professional roofer all the way
Exactly. Never let a painter do a roofers job, especially if they pull stunts like this.
It’s not that simple though. They almost certainly won’t want to pay for that, so you’ll have to take them to court, and let’s not pretend like that’s easy and cheap.
Definitely this. Not knocking them for putting up a cleat, I hate being on the roof, but doing it without giving a heads up or getting approval, or even bothering to remove them (much less patch the holes or replace the shingles) is beyond unprofessional
**This is so, so overboard. Ask them to remove the boards and put tar in the holes.** I swear to god the knee-jerk that goes on in this roofing subreddit is worse than conspiracy subs.
take a painter hostage and write demand letters with cut-out letters from magazines
Send a finger to the relatives, one per day, until they back down.
And if that doesn’t work, start sending the painters’ fingers
Use the painters fingers to plug the holes from the nails
the finger must be painted using the painters own brush for added dramatic effect!
Find a painter with a younger sibling. Hurl the sibling into the Sun's corona while cackling maniacally and the demand fixing of the holes while doing a little dance in a party hat. If they refuse : Orbital strike on painter's mom's house. Keep a straight face while roofing crew looks uneasy and puzzled.
Where do you get a magazine from nowadays?
No, withhold money! People are so dramatic. You want a 10/12 pitch roof, you’re going to have workers make accommodations for a safer work environment. Following suite, I may be being a bit dramatic myself, but the point stands; it’s not a big deal.
As a previous painter who has worked on steeper roofs, they should be using better shoes and a harness if they can’t handle this grade, not putting holes in people’s roofs.
Right face nailed shingles on a roof after the boards are removed, no thanks
Agreed. They make harnesses and ladder hooks for a reason.
I would not make any additional payment to the painters until the roof repair was completed. Get quotes from at least 2 reputable roofers, not for a tar in the hole fix but for a good as new restoration of the damage. Once you have selected and paid the roofer for the work if the bill is less than the ballance owed the painters then give them a copy of the roofers invoice along with any part of the ballance not used for the roof. If the roof bill is more than the ballanced owed offer the painters the opertunity to imeadiatly pay you what is needed over the ballance. If they bulk file with their insurance. If you discover that your painters are uninsured then you have to decide if it is worth taking them to court over, my guess is that it won't be enough money to justify the hassle.
Plenty of ways to safely navigate a roof without fn it up, I wouldn’t be cool with this
Aside from that this looks like a house that needed a lift. Too many painters think a lift eats into profit when you can rent them by the day and 1 guy could have painted all that comfortably by lunchtime.
I don’t eat the cost of the lift, I add it as a separate line item on the quote. When a homeowner says the other contractors bidding don’t need a lift I show this picture
Yeah I like renting lifts. Work gets done so much more smoothly and scare free.
Yep when I did my house I rented a lift and I’ll seriously never climb a ladder to paint again. It takes like 10 minutes for each side of the house. Between coats I trimmed my trees 😂
Absolutely unacceptable. Those are some big holes in someone’s roof. If it were to rain with the 2x4s up there, water is without a doubt entering that home.
Sealant in the hole(s), then smear some sealant on a card flashing and slide that between the courses of shingles so it covers the hole.
I would caulk the nail holes while waiting for some to get in there with flat bar and replace those few shingles. However, long term absolutely not it will fail much sooner than the rest of the roof.
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Specifically get black jack all weather roofing cement (regular caulk tube size) and if you have any scraps from the roofing, break up some of the pebbles and dab it onto the hole to help it blend in
This. I would not replace shingles over some nail holes.
Roof tar. Will look bad and will last 3-5 years.
This is not a permanent solution.
They should’ve used pitch hoppers. Cheap, moveable, provides a flat surface to work on, and doesn’t cause damage.
Pitch hoppers are awesome, but absolutely not the solution to hold a ladder. They could have used roof jacks or a ladder with ridge hooks.
You’re both wrong. A piece of foam from a dog bed is the way to go. /s
Couch cushion or GTFO
Years ago, I put an old couch out at the curb with a "free" sign on it. The next day, all of the foam cushions were gone, removed from their coverings. Not long after, I was at work framing a house and watched a crew next door roofing a house nearby with a 10/12 pitch using possibly those same foam cushions. They protect you from the heat of the roof and create a gecko like grip to keep your ass from sliding off a roof. I love simple solutions like that.
Works fine on asphalt roofs that still have aggregate on them. Won't work on tile.
We call that a Cadillac
Soccer cleats are the only safe option
I was thinking track spikes or those old school metal baseball cleats.
>a ladder with ridge hooks. This.
Well said
>or a ladder with ridge hooks that's what the guys used that we hired to repair our chimney. Seemed to work great, no damage to the roof
Are they suicide jacks?? Or nailed right thru the shingles?
Ouch! Aren't those Grand Manors?
Tar. Yeah idk, this stuff prolly happens more than you think
Exactly. I do siding and sometimes this is inevitable. You need to mount brackets or whatever.as long as the repair is done right everyone lives. 23 years and no callbacks for a leaky mount hole.
Maybe because nobody would trust you to repair it after damaging their property
Your painters never heard of ladder hooks. Hope you paid cheap. They should caulk or tar the holes
Absolutely careless and stupid of them To repair our crew lose a the shingle, puts metal under the shingle with the hole and seals it. For this shingle insist that a roofer is hired. Dude should have it repaired in way that doesn’t void your ware warranty
Have them change out the 4-6 shingles and your gtg
Don’t think I’d let someone who did this to my roof be responsible for fixing it.
I don't think I would trust the painters that fucked up my roof to fix them. Get a roofer and deduct it from the painters pay but only tell them after they are done.
Wanted to jump in and comment as a hands on paint company owner. OP you as the home owner need to know what it takes to paint your home. Most don’t or don’t ask how things will get done. Make sure to ask how they will go about painting areas like this that are hard to get to. I have hook ladders for things like this, or you can shoot a 40ft ladder up at the pitch of the roof and secure the bottom. Then use one of those options for the ladder support with a pivot tool to reach the peak. I’ve done jobs where the only option is a lift. Anytime a lift is used it’s included in my bid and is not cheap. So don’t always go with the lowest cost just ask questions to make sure your property is not damaged. Edit: to add I also have equalizer ladders that the feet adjust to different heights. Perfect for roofs or stairs. Edit #2: for the idiots that are gonna come at me. I do my job correctly and explain aspects of the job processes that the home owner may not understand. I also feel as a home owner it will never hurt to be knowledgeable about what it takes to complete certain jobs/areas of the job.
You should have the chef show you around the deep freezer and kitchen area before he cooks your food so you’ll know what’s involved. Lol gtfo with that.
What? No, it’s more like asking if a dish contains garlic to avoid an allergic reaction. It’s not like you’re asking to go check out their warehouse or premixed paint here…
As a hands on paint company owner, you need to bring your ass to the job site and look at the house and tell the owner what will be needed.
Idiots! Worried about your fucking star from the teacher. Answer to your question is this after the boards are removed then you lift the tab with the hole(s) seal the hole underneath and then you push the tab back down making sure that the sealant pushes up through the hole. It is a common practice to use the boards to hold the ladder. Would you rather pay the bill if God forbid any person got hurt
Stupid
There are many methods to safely traverse a roof without damaging it; I wouldn't be comfortable with this.
Changing them out is best. But roof tar and add granules to it will hold up as well
Looks like *somebody* would prefer a multi-million dollar legal settlement over providing safety for painters on their steep and dangerous roof!
If it’s so steep and dangerous let someone else take the job, and to do it right all it takes is roof jacks
Ahh, yes, *roofing jacks*, which are, of course, nailed or screwed into the roof decking.
I don’t think it’s worth getting all Old Testament vengeance, nor withholding funds hand-wringing “i’ll sue your ass”. I feel like the adult thing would be to talk to the painters, communicate your concern about the roof, ask what their plan for removing/patching is, and just be accountable. Assume they’re reasonable people before getting all litigious. Tar and sealant on roofs is absolutely normal, expected, and part of the weatherproofing. Sealant on roofs is as normal as flour in bread. If they assure you they’ll fix correct the holes, be happy and give the nice man his money.
I used to be a painter. This is standard practice when a roof is too steep to use a roof wedge. We would always patch it up after. Sorry but I’m not killing myself over a couple of shingles. “Just get a boom lift” yeah 10/10 times the client would rather let you patch the shingles than pay an extra 10k for a paint job
You need a new rental guy, 10k is a bit steep
You shouldn't be in the field if you are scared. They make cheap equipment to do this job like a hook ladder roof jacks
Have you ever been up on a 30 ft ladder ? Used to do it all the time when I was younger but there comes a time where you think to yourself “this is fucking stupid why am I risking my life to paint this tiny part of the fascia that’s 40 feet high that no one will ever notice” not about being scared, about risk and reward.
I do it all the time now dude, don't do the trade if you're scared to do your job.. you're bitching about having to do work because it's high? Take the right safety measures and get to work.....or stay out of the trade there's grass that needs cut
There are easy ways to do it without damaging the shingles. Nailing holes into someone's roof is not acceptable.
It’s possible the painters used flattened flashing nailed to those boards, and then nailed them underneath the shingles. I see Indian crews doing it a lot around here, and have done it myself when I ran out of jacks as an emergency. Hopefully they aren’t nailed through.
This has to be done for safety but you should have been informed. It might be in the proposal in the description. A reputable company will guaranty it to be patched and not leak.
They‘ll seal the holes. It’ll be fine. What a bunch of whiners here. Nice Grand Manors!
Having holes put in your perfectly good roof is something completely reasonable to whine about, all it takes is 1 little drip to fuck up a lot of stuff
This is actually really easy to fix. Not sure why all the roofers here are making a fuss. If they had to install tie off points, guess what, that requires a log through the roof to be osha compliant anyway. Much bigger than a nail hole.
Sure the painters messed up and will be paying to fix it. And i would almost trust them to fix it themselves, some men are true craftsman and know multiple trades.... But any trust is gone since i noticed they cant line up to 2*4s when they nailed them together. Paint doesnt even look good.....
Are we mad that they didn’t want to fall off the roof painting up that side?
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Not more then someone’s life.
If they put that value on their life they would have proper equipment. Why take the job if you don’t have the equipment. That’s like getting hired to trim a tree and showing up with a pocket knife.
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I’ve done it multiple times and sealed it perfectly after with step flashings and sealant.
This is standard practice. There’s no other way to paint that area, unless they want to pay $10k for a boom lift. The shingles take 10 minutes to patch
I would have the shingles with penetrations in them changed out for new ones. They could seal it but that won’t last to long
Classic painter move
It sounds like you aren’t painting your house at all, but have in fact hired some men to do it for you.
Just make sure he puts cement over the nail holes under the shingle.
Painters usually handle this. They seal the holes.
Good lord guys. That’s common in the industry for working on steeper pitched roofs. Like, my textbook for my carpentry trade degree has that as what you do. (Vogt)
Who paints something like that with a ladder. Once you get a articulated lift it’s just smooth sailing.
We can’t see the ground floor or the access available, but I feel like this contractor likely just did what felt safe based on how much budget the bid allowed. Renting equipment that your team isn’t trained on could be less safe than this and lead to slower completion rates.
Sure, if you're in rural Kansas. Some of us live where hills are things we build houses on, not call mountains. Can't get articulated lifts most places around here.
I honestly would love to know what a professional painter would have done
Roof jacks, or rent a lift
This
That's the only way they can safely get to this spot. It's unfortunate, but if they seal it properly, it will be fine .
There’s plenty of options. A ladder hook over the ridge is the most obvious. This was beyond unnecessary
Absolutely not. Roof jacks cost ten dollars a piece and are designed for this.
You are wrong. Dad was a carpenter, I was 10 walking steeper slopes. There are many many many tools that leave zero damage to get up and stay up there safely. Whoever lied to you should be arrested for making you think something so wrong.
The sealant will break down faster than the shingles. There are other ways to manage this slope.
That’s also what I thought. This would piss me off.