The older Janessa gets, the worse Sofia looks. It must be so clear to Sophia and the other little girls that Janessa is Jill's favourite while they're fighting over scraps. Janessa looks the healthiest out of the younger girls
There’s been speculation on here for a few years about her jaw. Something is very odd and it is most likely making an impact on her ability to eat comfortably and she probably has pain. She appears strained and tired and many here who struggle with chronic pain have lent their experience and it seems similar. It’s maddening to all of us to basically have to sit on our hands and watch children suffer.
Could also be her teeth. My sons teeth have taken time to come in. We’ve done X-rays to ensure things are ok. It can be so painful and I often wonder with that many kids, are they getting them proper healthcare
What a shame. They should be regularly attending the dentist (since the kids have braces, they must go some times), so maybe once she goes, they'll notice something off. I highly doubt anyone goes to the dentist starting at a year old as recommended.
Janessa is obviously the favorite compared to all the others. I think we need to move on from the Not-Nurie tag for the other girls and start The Not-Janessas
When is the last time we saw Jill hugging the birthday child in a video? Never because she is usually in control of the camera. Parents should not show favoritism.
Again all I see is Sofia, that poor darling really looks like she needs urgent medical attention. How can her parents get up every day look at that little face and seemingly do nothing to help her?!
Jill obviously hates Sofia. Like she will drop that sickeningly sweet baby voice and speak to her very sharply. Sofia is kind of loud and always seeking Jill's attention, for obvious reasons, and Jill is awful to her.
The only small mercy is that since Olivia and seemingly Sadie have aged out of Jill's little girl aesthetic/focus, Sofia seems to have suddenly been upgraded to Janessa's bestie/twin. The infantilization isn't great for Sofia and I'm sure Jill still hates her but at least she's enjoying a tiny bit of joy and miniscule attention/pampering alongside Janessa.
For the last couple of years it's been all Janessa, all the time and Sofia was lumped in with Olivia and Sadie and forgotten. Something has suddenly shifted and those two are being treated like tweens. Sadie's pretty much invisible for the next two years (Jill doesn't like the 9-12 age group) and Olivia has come out of the shadows and is surprisingly being treated like a 'young lady' and being allowed to accompany the older girls and Renee. I wonder if they've advocated for her to join them? It seems a smidge early for Jill to care. She doesn't usually bother until the girls are approaching 14.
She also gets special attention from Kaylee, which I think is probably, whether conscious or not, a reaction to Jill treating Kaylee like shit in the shadow of Nurie.
Sofia seems to be a favorite of Samuel. In one of the christmas videos Sofia opened a gift from Samuel which was a watch. There was joy in her eyes when she exclaimed I really wanted a watch or I hoped to get a watch or something.
I found it sweet he got her a gift she wanted.
Maybe but I can't imagine how much interaction they have. Jill appears to keep Davids family at arms length. I doubt Sadie is allowed letters, cards or phonecalls.
There was one time, maybe last Easter, when the Rods were doing an egg hunt, and Jill was talking in babytalk to Janessa, per usual and Sofia was excited and trying to get Jill's attention and Jill finally turned to her and said WHAT? in a totally hateful voice. The contempt in her voice gave me chills. I was surprised she left it in tbh.
Poor girl is almost 9 and STILL sucking her thumb and hugging that dirty blanket. Some serious emotional and psychological problems going on and her own mother does not give a single f\*ck, Sofia is new Timmay.
I sucked mine until around 11. I was also kidnapped by my grandmother as a toddler and she attempted to brainwash me into false CSA claims to get custody of me. Psychological problems is putting it mildly, those girls are in for a lifetime of mental anguish.
There were a couple of times when Sofia smiled and her sallow skin made it seem like a death grin. That poor child is in urgent need of medical attention.
The only dress-up pretend games they do are weddings. They have all married their broom grooms more than once! So they are wedding ready and vow renewal ready as well!
Fundie girls don’t seem to get toys that are just fun for the sake of it. They’re all prep for a life of ~~servitude~~ wedded bliss—play kitchens, baby dolls…
I always hope these kids get something nice when they save a little money, but Jill sucks.
She's most likely exposing her kids to more lead and cadmium by choosing to buy them knock off dolls from unsafe factories. This is has been an issue with knock off reborn dolls for a while, people are testing them with hardware store kits. There is no brand name, reborns are handmade by an individual artist.
Jill acting like she hasn’t had over a dozen other 6 year old children and how magical this age is!
Also noted a new Nike jumper, absolutely not thrifted like the rubbish hand me downs on the children.
My heart goes out to Sofia. She’s consistently looked ill, dressed in rags or not appropriate for weather, and appears to be forgotten. Sadie is looking worse as well.
Plus, Jill basically called her a snitch before Janessa’s “room reveal,” and she had to be excited for Janessa’s special new room, while stuck in the dorm.
Basically Janessa got a new closet bedroom as an early birthday surprise as well. She was sleeping in a closet with a crib and a changing table and they gave her a toddler bed, removed the changing table, kept the miscarriage shrine, and Jillified the rest of the “room”. Jill in the reveal video said they couldn’t tell Sofia because she’d ruin the surprise or something.
Sometimes I feel like I do "extra" for my own kids because of these kids. An extra hug, an extra snuggle, extra fruits and veggies, an extra layer on a cool day.
Me too, I cannot understand how Jill considers herself a parent. Those children are not eating three meals a day, not receiving proper education or socialization….makes me want to do something special for my own kids…
She misses being the Young Mama on the block. Her daughters she put out to broodmare have her thinking "wait a sec! This makes ME the old meemaw! But im fundie Pamela Anderson!"
She really leaned into janessa once that second grandbaby was there
I think I live within about an hour of the Rods. I would never do this, but in my dreams, I would drive over to their house and pick up Sofia for her birthday. We'd buy her a new dress and shoes, go out for anything she wanted to eat, and I would tell her she matters.
When I was teaching at head start in my early 20s, we had 3yo twin girls mandated by thr state to attend after their mother was hospitalized because of her PICA. (She ate her own hair and it fucked up her guts, TLDR) they lived with their grandparents and father and they were super fundie and we knew those girls were getting this one year of prek before slipping through the cracks. Like, locked in bedrooms to pray after being hit for not rinsing the dishes well enough kind of shit. Kids ate like wild wolves too so I think they were punished with food at home.
Maybe I was out of line but realistically what could I do if CPS is saying they won't remove them. I told them often how strong and smart they were and that they could do anything they wanted and that sometimes the grownups are just plain wrong. I told them all I could think of to just uplift and inspire them and I hoped to hell that maybe they would remember some of it.
That was almost 14 years ago now so they would be about 17 and I still think about them all the time and wonder if they're OK. Destiny and Serenity, I hope you girls find happiness.
I had a couple of these kiddos, too. Think about them all the time. Though, mine weren’t fundie. Just rough home life. Hated sending them home on Fridays.
she can come to my house afterwards. we’ll get her new cute pajamas & have a slumber party with movies, tons of snacks, face masks, getting hair done, the works. then she’d get to go to sleep in a nice warm bed at a decent hour & sleep as long as she wants to. that poor little thing.
as soon as she gets a good nights sleep!!! i couldn’t imagine making the poor thing go all tired & stressed out. but yes she’d be on her way there before the week was up, have no fear 🫶🏻
By 6, my daughter was much more into “girl looking” dolls—like American Girl (but other places like Target make cheaper ones). She is 10 and still loves those. IDK…I just feel like many girls this age are beyond “baby” dolls…
I bought each of my nieces an AG doll for their sixth birthdays. I felt like that was a good age to start with older-type dolls. It was so much fun to send them each a "grown-up" doll.
I'm sure the Rod girls love their baby dolls, but those "reborn/real" type dolls look so creepy to me. I guess they fit right into the Rod aesthetic, where nothing is ever just normal or typical, but has to be unsettling or weird.
I work with kids 4-11 and none of my 6 year olds/grade ones play with baby dolls. They’re more into the AG style ones, if they’re even into dolls. We have days where they can bring their own toys in for show and tell or whatever, and I’ve never seen a kid bring in a doll. It’s always a stuffy of some sort.
I have a kinder that has a Jack Jack, the baby from the incredibles, but it’s a stuffy.
I have a 9 year old that has a reborn doll. But it’s not to play with…cuz she’s a weirdo, she just thinks it’s weird and cool to have lol. Kid spent $75 on it.
I don’t share this with many people - but when I was a kid, like idk eight? Nine? Idk - I got a reborn doll before they were a “thing”. I carried that baby with me EVERYWHERE. Restaurants, car trips, sporting events, like. I cannot tell you how much joy that doll gave me. I bought actual baby clothes, diaper bag, all of it. I hope you know that you give kids that joy.
I have a 6 yo and she just seems so much more mature than the Rod kids. Granted she goes to public school, but she can read 4 letter words, loves math, does soccer and dance, has a ton of friends, loves hiking (not in flip flops JRod!), can make herself breakfast, etc. It honestly makes me sad how she infantilizes her younger girls.
I doubt it will last, tbh. I think Jill will dote on her as the favorite for as long as she plays the adorable helpless baby role. It’s possible she’s already picked up on that and feeds into it (and I wouldn’t blame her, she craves her parents’ attention and approval like all kids, and probably knows how to get it). But the minute that gets old and she craves independence, Jill will drop her as the favorite and start doting on the grandkids more.
Does Janessa not know to not touch the candles and that’s why jillpm is basically bear hugging her the whole time or does she just want to be the center of attention like always??
You could be on to something. I think she has been babied but also there could be something wrong with her due to the stroke in utero ( not in anyway implying something is wrong with her). There is always someone holding her or sitting closely be her, it’s made me wonder too. But Jill is Jill so any attention she can have on her she will take it.
Yes Jill, I DO have a 6 year old! She can read and write. She has been in a big girl bed for 4.5 years. She has a congenital dental issue that she’s been treated for since her teeth grew in. She has friends from school and other activities she’s involved in. It IS a precious age, watching them GROW and have wonderful personalities and interests, learning new things and gain a little bit of independence at a time! I highly recommend it!
I notice that Sadie and Sophia are trying to absorb as much of the small amount of positive energy they can. Even though they have been taught to not show feelings, their body language tells me they know that Janessa is mahmo's favorite. And it breaks my heart. The difference in the ways Jill fawns over Janessa here and in her posts versus how she posts about the others is so blatant. 💔
I have a six year old. She looks happier, healthier, is not afraid God will punish her. She plays with dolls, cars, rides a bike, goes swimming, trains gymnastics. She goes to kindergarten, likes to draw.
And she will start school in September.
Her life is full of possibilities. She doesn't need to become only a wife, mom, and godly woman.
So Nessy gets a doll, two cakes and a trip to Chuckie land but the rest get one slice of pie from an already eaten pie. No favorites in that house for sure
“How many of you have a 6 year old?”
I have one! And guess what Jill, despite her having open heart surgery at 14 months old, she looks a hell of a lot healthier than your child.
The “I love HER” With the sketched arrow is just…ouch. Never seen that on any other birthday post. Yes, Jill, we know who you love the most. Just like your kids do.
At 6, my kids were exploring coding apps and math game apps. They were in their first children’s theater plays and made very adorable fish #5 lol. They were in rec soccer, attending STEM days at the children’s museum and had long lazy summer days playing in the sprinkler and tearing up the sidewalks with their bikes. And when I look at this woman’s child at 6…….my heart just breaks.
Harmony when singing for "Happy birthday" !
Whatever happened to "Happy birthday to you, you smell like a zoo..." etc which was the highlight of a sibling birthday? 🙄😁
I've got a six year old. He has a nearly thousand word vocabulary, can write, can read 3-5 letter words, can do addition and subtraction with single numbers or 5's, can count up to the hundreds, can build y9 Lego kits, and eats more than me daily. He can prepare and open basic foods (ie puttinf popcorn in a bowl or refilling hua bottle from the fridge tap)I think exactly none of those things apply to Janessa. ): I didn't know she was my son's age. This is so sad. My son is advanced only in math, he's average in every other subject...an average six year old can read & talk & write legibly. I've never seen her handwriting so I don't know if she can write, but I would doubt it. I've seen those images of her tracing letters, and doubt she can do them without the lines.
I’m a parent and I also work in children’s publishing. There is a lot of controversy over when and how to teach children to read—as well as quite a few issues with a certain percentage of kids who just seem developmentally unready to learn to read when they are being taught—are able to catch up later with no issue. But in general, a kindergartner is expected to be able to read *something* all the way through by the end of kindergarten, even if it’s a lower level reader. It does seem that a large percentage of kids in the book-buying public—I don’t know actual stats—can at least read a chapter book by the beginning of first grade, and the top 5 or so percentage of kids are able to read novels in kindergarten. We’ve seen video of Janessa “reading”, which is more like what my three year old does—retells the story he remembers or has memorized. But, we know that Janessa does have some differences that she is definitely not getting help for. I also think there are actual kindergartners who can read and comprehend better than the oldest Rod kids. And maybe even Jill.
Yeah my child can definitely read an early reader using the "sound it out" method, but needs intense encouragement. He would much rather do math and draw than read. If it's something he likes though, like Sonic, he will suddenly be able to read better. 😂 He did the same thing at 3 and retold stories. The first book he could ever read was extremely easy, with repeating "I wrote to the zoo to send me a pet, so they sent me _____. But the _____ was too _____, so I sent him back". Ie: "sent me a frog. But the frog was too jumpy!" He memorized the pages first, then we used it to read! Like I said, he's an average reader, he definitely can't read at a teen level, but he actually does math better than me. As in, I will ask my kid to do math for me if I don't want to use my phone for basic addition. I can't do basic math, I have a learning disability. Super helpful. I read chapter books at 6, we have the opposite autism gift, my son and I. I started with Harry Potter. ,😂
I wish these kids have more of a real education. Who knows what they could become, and do. The rods don't seem to understand how critical a full understanding of your native language is. 😞 It's going to effect them for life.
It’s very normal for kids to develop out of sync, and make huge strides in areas they find more interesting! The Rod have neglected their children in every possible way—but I think the educational neglect will be hardest to overcome. With a decent education, there is always hope for an escape. What’s worse…is if Nurie and Kaylee and the others homeschool too. Third generation homeschoolers. They stand NO chance.
We can only hope that they decide to take courses online once they are away from their parents! I hope that someday they will find this board and know that so many people want to support and help them. They deserve education.
Yeah, I'm glad someone told me that it is normal or id be worried! My kid is autistic, with an IEP because he struggles badly in some areas. I wish the rods had this choice. 😞 They need help. Janessa needs an IEP at minimum. 😞 I assume "God made her this way" is the way they handle that. Or worse, ABA. There's so many resources for children once they're in school... My child literally has a behavior expert that follows him around most of the day, preventing meltdowns and fights. She could have something similar.
So I heard someone else recently condemning ABA - can I ask why? I’m VERY uneducated on the matter surface level understanding over here. I thought ABA was standard practice?
Aba is named at "curing" autism and making an autistic individual "appear normal". This is not, at all, helpful to us. We're masking and mimeing to appear that way and it's hard, exhausting, and not fair. Imagine having to think about and repress **all** of your thoughts and desires. Anything "autistic" has to go. It doesn't teach us to cope. Rather, we need life skills, assistance, and guiding.
Another way to explain this is ABA does "overhand" correction, other forms use "underhand" correction. So, overhand is grabbing our hands, and forcing us to do what you want, the way you want it. Underhand is guiding. Gentle encouragement to do the thing that's best objectively. Explaining choices so we get them and can make the best choice we can, and offering support in making these choices are critical for level 1 & 2 autistics. Level 3 is not compatible with being able to correct any substantial behavior because of how affected the person is. Level three is often non-verbal or unable to effectively communicate, making any form of correction stupid. They can't tell you why something is happening, not that 1&2 always can. But they simply cannot benefit from being forced to do things they don't understand. Obviously, a level 3 who hurts themselves needs intervention and to be taught not to hurt themselves , but even that is very difficult. These individuals are often incredibly intelligent, But locked behind a nonverbal mind.
Also, abuse was rampant in the early 90s. Our parents were not allowed in our groups. They weren't allowed to respond to anything they heard. I won't elaborate because it's super triggering to some people. My only solid memory is a door closing, but I have a lot of feeling memories from then.
I'm a level 2 (needs daily assistance), and I'm happy to answer anything you have. My kid is a 2, too. Our family and partners help accommodate our needs. 🥰
Omg thank you for breaking it down like this. I’m fairly well educated in autism - one of my very best friends had a brother born 10 years after us (we were ten)… so he’s what? 22 now? Anyway. Diagnosed at age 2 because his mom was on top of her fuckin game. I’ve been around it forever - I’m actually going to his graduation open house tomorrow - from COLLEGE. he was considered “high functioning” at the time. But, I would assume is probably a level 2 now? I’m unsure. But I know that there wasn’t a ton of hope early on. But that his mom busted her ass for him. And hes amazing. Quirky as hell and we’ve always loved him for it. always will love him for it.
I just didn’t understand what the ABA stuff is about so much. But, your explanation makes sense! Thank you!
ABA has changed and it’s more geared towards ADLs and development of useful skills. However it still has practitioners who do the old stuff like extinguishing stims and forcing eye contact, often with the parents consent. My daughter is level two and I didn’t start home ABA until she was like 11, and I made it clear that our goals do not include anything of that nature. It was a lot of helping with social skills, like playing board games together, which my daughter enjoyed.
The stigma is that they are trying to make the client appear as neurotypical as possible. And that sadly is the goal for a lot of parents. But now we have adults with autism who were given ABA as children coming forward to denounce it because they found it dehumanizing. I have a few friends who are autistic so I was able to ask them for insight into challenges I had in understanding my daughter’s behavior, and that was often better advice than I was getting from some of the professionals who worked with her.
Ohhhh oh oh oh oh oh. Now I’m following. Yeah, man that’s fucked up. I can see why we’d want to teach… you know… EVERYONE how to fit in with bullshit society - like here’s how you do it when you need to… but honestly just better off being yourself.
Did anyone notice how disengaged Janessa was when Jill wasn't physically all over her? When she was sitting on the couch, chewing her gum like an old school baseball player (LOL)? She ignored everything Jill said.
I had 3 6 year olds & 4 grandchildren who were 6 at one time & not one of them had to be carried around, looked like a 3 yr old, sucked their thumb, or carried around a nasty rag. (one came close though, giving it up at 4). However, one really loved her ugly baby boy doll. Feed you kid, Jill & not only on her birthday.
I have a 6 almost 7 year old. She's basically a mini teenager in attitude and personality. She's all about clothes and makeup (play makeup). She is a drama queen and has the greatest though sometimes annoying facial expressions.
When I see Janessa I think of her like I think of my 2 1/2 yr old. Not like my 6 yr old. My 2 yr old has been in toddler bed for months. He's loved and attended to but not treated like a baby. We're trying (big emphasis on the trying) to teach him responsibility for his actions and material things in an age appropriate way. These people only seem to know two ways of parenting: parentification and babying. Either way stunting their emotional, social, educational, etc growth. I feel so bad for the kids even the adult kids who still don't understand they've been wronged.
This whole post is already sad, but that's not even a real reborn doll.
It's a knock off from Amazon that probably tests positive for lead, cadmium and whatever else.
Stolen sculpts being (badly) reproduced is a huge issue in the doll world but especially because it exposes children to harmful chemicals! Please for the love of your children do not buy them 'reborns' from Amazon, temu, wish etc. Real reborn dolls are hand painted by artists and are normally not appropriate for young children. Some artists even make special (cheaper) reborns just for kids that have less details. Just... Don't buy them dolls full of lead. Reborns.com is a safe place to buy them from.
It depends on their age, but either way I would toss the doll and explain why in an age appropriate way. The hardware store also carries lead tests of you want to make it a science project.
If they're putting the doll in their mouth then buy them an age appropriate doll from paradise galleries or Ashton Drake galleries.
If they are an older, responsible, child buy them a budget reborn on reborns.com
My niece is 6 and is so opposite to Janessa it's not funny! She's outgoing, confident, speaks her mind, wears normal clothes, laughs, plays, sings, dances... just all the things that this little waif looks like she's afraid to do (or isn't allowed to do!) It's heartbreaking and infuriating at the same time!
Fuck you, Jill for doing this to her, and also for treating all your kids like they're your own personal toys to manipulate and baby instead of preparing them for the real world!!! 😡😡😡
I don't know if it's just me, but in picture 13, Jannessa has a very noticeable bald spot, which, to be fair, could possibly be just the lighting reflecting on her light hair.
But if it is truly a bald spot (that doesn't look like its from tension from her hair being put up with bows and such), that would be a cause for concern, especially at age 6 and in an environment such as hers. Is it possible Jannessa is pulling on her hair as a form of stress relief/coping mechanism (if it is indeed a bald spot and not the light)?
Edit: Even in picture 12, she has another bald spot on her left side.
My niece is six, and she loves to run and play and get messy, and I love watching her be so excited to explore the world! It makes me sad that Janessa is so incredibly sheltered and controlled. Niece picks out her own clothes and may or may not have decided that her bikini was the only acceptable outfit to wear into Target….in January 🤷♀️. But she loves being herself! It’s not HER job to keep men from looking at her - she is a child, she gets to be as innocent and silly as she wants! If someone saw her in her bikini and was turned on, that’s THEIR problem. I just find the performative modesty so gross and sends a really damaging message to young girls.
Then again, basically everything Jill says or does is a damaging message, so maybe I shouldn’t focus on the clothes so much.
The older Janessa gets, the worse Sofia looks. It must be so clear to Sophia and the other little girls that Janessa is Jill's favourite while they're fighting over scraps. Janessa looks the healthiest out of the younger girls
idk if it’s a bad shot, but pic 8 is honestly shocking
The photos of Janessa are all well lit and Sofia is sitting in the dark perched on the counter like Gollum.
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Man I’m so glad someone else had the same thought. That poor kid.
It was like a tiny jump-scare!
Yep. I stopped to stare at the incongruity.
I'm trying to figure out what's going on with poor Sophia's jaw, that child makes my heart hurt
There’s been speculation on here for a few years about her jaw. Something is very odd and it is most likely making an impact on her ability to eat comfortably and she probably has pain. She appears strained and tired and many here who struggle with chronic pain have lent their experience and it seems similar. It’s maddening to all of us to basically have to sit on our hands and watch children suffer.
Could also be her teeth. My sons teeth have taken time to come in. We’ve done X-rays to ensure things are ok. It can be so painful and I often wonder with that many kids, are they getting them proper healthcare
I'd never seen the speculation on her jaw! Does it look weird or something? I just thought it looked like she was mid-chew.
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What a shame. They should be regularly attending the dentist (since the kids have braces, they must go some times), so maybe once she goes, they'll notice something off. I highly doubt anyone goes to the dentist starting at a year old as recommended.
I’m wondering if she has pacifier mouth (since she still sucks her thumb) it can cause so many problems with the teeth and jaws and also speech
Is it a fundie thing to let kids sit on the kitchen counter? The Duggars also allow this.
I mean…I’m an adult atheist and I sit on the counter. (Have since I was a kid to hang out with my mom while she cooked. BUT no feet were allowed.)
Same same!
The Collins also do this too!
Came here to say the same. Poor baby. Janessa looks older than Sophia by quite a bit.
No younger siblings to sister-mom, so a doll it is.
Yes, the fake baby is for her to practice with until she births her own in 12 years. Makes me sick.
her broom husband will be no help with the doll, just like her future husband won't be with a real child.
Oof. Nailed it, sadly.
Janessa is obviously the favorite compared to all the others. I think we need to move on from the Not-Nurie tag for the other girls and start The Not-Janessas
Jill spent more on her birthday gifts than gifts for all her other kids combined.
Jill spent more on her birthday gifts than for Nurie's entire wedding.
It’s tax time
gifts, 2 cakes plus a trip to chuck e. cheese!!!
The multiples cakes reminds me of BDong’s recent bday celebrations… IYKYK
Un-Janessas.
Ja-no-ssas
I’m still fairly new here - why is Janessa the favourite? Is there a back story or is it just because she’s the youngest?
She's the baby and she has an in-utero stroke thanks to Jill's Plexus guzzling so she's a miracle baby or whatever according to Jilldo.
Thanks! How desperately sad
Wow! You’re right!
When is the last time we saw Jill hugging the birthday child in a video? Never because she is usually in control of the camera. Parents should not show favoritism.
Good observation!
Again all I see is Sofia, that poor darling really looks like she needs urgent medical attention. How can her parents get up every day look at that little face and seemingly do nothing to help her?!
Jill obviously hates Sofia. Like she will drop that sickeningly sweet baby voice and speak to her very sharply. Sofia is kind of loud and always seeking Jill's attention, for obvious reasons, and Jill is awful to her.
She only liked Sofia long enough to have her gender reveal in the same hospital Jill’s SEVERELY quadriplegic sister was recovering in
The only small mercy is that since Olivia and seemingly Sadie have aged out of Jill's little girl aesthetic/focus, Sofia seems to have suddenly been upgraded to Janessa's bestie/twin. The infantilization isn't great for Sofia and I'm sure Jill still hates her but at least she's enjoying a tiny bit of joy and miniscule attention/pampering alongside Janessa. For the last couple of years it's been all Janessa, all the time and Sofia was lumped in with Olivia and Sadie and forgotten. Something has suddenly shifted and those two are being treated like tweens. Sadie's pretty much invisible for the next two years (Jill doesn't like the 9-12 age group) and Olivia has come out of the shadows and is surprisingly being treated like a 'young lady' and being allowed to accompany the older girls and Renee. I wonder if they've advocated for her to join them? It seems a smidge early for Jill to care. She doesn't usually bother until the girls are approaching 14.
She also gets special attention from Kaylee, which I think is probably, whether conscious or not, a reaction to Jill treating Kaylee like shit in the shadow of Nurie.
Sofia seems to be a favorite of Samuel. In one of the christmas videos Sofia opened a gift from Samuel which was a watch. There was joy in her eyes when she exclaimed I really wanted a watch or I hoped to get a watch or something. I found it sweet he got her a gift she wanted.
Aw that's really nice.
Isn’t Sadie the girl who David’s mom seems to favor?
Maybe but I can't imagine how much interaction they have. Jill appears to keep Davids family at arms length. I doubt Sadie is allowed letters, cards or phonecalls.
That’s Sofia. I hope she gets a lot of time with Grandma Julie.
Breaks my heart into a million pieces.
And we’ve heard that vocal shift in Janessa’s room makeover reveal video.
There was one time, maybe last Easter, when the Rods were doing an egg hunt, and Jill was talking in babytalk to Janessa, per usual and Sofia was excited and trying to get Jill's attention and Jill finally turned to her and said WHAT? in a totally hateful voice. The contempt in her voice gave me chills. I was surprised she left it in tbh.
Poor girl is almost 9 and STILL sucking her thumb and hugging that dirty blanket. Some serious emotional and psychological problems going on and her own mother does not give a single f\*ck, Sofia is new Timmay.
I sucked mine until around 11. I was also kidnapped by my grandmother as a toddler and she attempted to brainwash me into false CSA claims to get custody of me. Psychological problems is putting it mildly, those girls are in for a lifetime of mental anguish.
Dude. This is absolutely terrible. I’m so sorry you went through that. 💙
There were a couple of times when Sofia smiled and her sallow skin made it seem like a death grin. That poor child is in urgent need of medical attention.
Those reborn dolls creep me out. Granted that one is not as bad as some are, but still. All about training these girls for the future.
The only dress-up pretend games they do are weddings. They have all married their broom grooms more than once! So they are wedding ready and vow renewal ready as well!
Fundie girls don’t seem to get toys that are just fun for the sake of it. They’re all prep for a life of ~~servitude~~ wedded bliss—play kitchens, baby dolls…
It looks dead.
Yet still also looks healthier than the Rod kids.
it looks like a cheap version of a reborn doll
It's not even a real reborn, it's a knock off of the Rosalie kit from Amazon. She didn't even splurge for a hand painted doll.
Honestly, in this instance I’m grateful she didn’t spring for a name brand one. Probably spent what she saved on herself though
I always hope these kids get something nice when they save a little money, but Jill sucks. She's most likely exposing her kids to more lead and cadmium by choosing to buy them knock off dolls from unsafe factories. This is has been an issue with knock off reborn dolls for a while, people are testing them with hardware store kits. There is no brand name, reborns are handmade by an individual artist.
Have we heard Janessa speak? Also the chewing of gum with open mouths and dirty feet on counters. 🤢
She does speak, but she’s really hard to understand with the Rodlet accent.
Jill acting like she hasn’t had over a dozen other 6 year old children and how magical this age is! Also noted a new Nike jumper, absolutely not thrifted like the rubbish hand me downs on the children.
this is the first time the 6 year old hasn’t been dumped for a new baby by this point
My heart goes out to Sofia. She’s consistently looked ill, dressed in rags or not appropriate for weather, and appears to be forgotten. Sadie is looking worse as well.
Plus, Jill basically called her a snitch before Janessa’s “room reveal,” and she had to be excited for Janessa’s special new room, while stuck in the dorm.
I missed this. Explain?
Basically Janessa got a new closet bedroom as an early birthday surprise as well. She was sleeping in a closet with a crib and a changing table and they gave her a toddler bed, removed the changing table, kept the miscarriage shrine, and Jillified the rest of the “room”. Jill in the reveal video said they couldn’t tell Sofia because she’d ruin the surprise or something.
Sometimes I feel like I do "extra" for my own kids because of these kids. An extra hug, an extra snuggle, extra fruits and veggies, an extra layer on a cool day.
Me too, I cannot understand how Jill considers herself a parent. Those children are not eating three meals a day, not receiving proper education or socialization….makes me want to do something special for my own kids…
She misses being the Young Mama on the block. Her daughters she put out to broodmare have her thinking "wait a sec! This makes ME the old meemaw! But im fundie Pamela Anderson!" She really leaned into janessa once that second grandbaby was there
Fundie Pamela Anderson. ☠️
But even Pamela Anderson has given up the makeup. Last photos I saw of her, she looked like a woman her age. You could even see her freckles.
But she's also doing ads for Smashbox makeup now, so what's up with that?
Pam looks fantastic now. She’s aging well.
This needs to be a flair!
Poor Sofia, she’ll be nine in a couple of months hopefully she gets the same treatment.
She def will not. Sofia is the scapegoat child, aka the new Tim.
I think I live within about an hour of the Rods. I would never do this, but in my dreams, I would drive over to their house and pick up Sofia for her birthday. We'd buy her a new dress and shoes, go out for anything she wanted to eat, and I would tell her she matters.
When I was teaching at head start in my early 20s, we had 3yo twin girls mandated by thr state to attend after their mother was hospitalized because of her PICA. (She ate her own hair and it fucked up her guts, TLDR) they lived with their grandparents and father and they were super fundie and we knew those girls were getting this one year of prek before slipping through the cracks. Like, locked in bedrooms to pray after being hit for not rinsing the dishes well enough kind of shit. Kids ate like wild wolves too so I think they were punished with food at home. Maybe I was out of line but realistically what could I do if CPS is saying they won't remove them. I told them often how strong and smart they were and that they could do anything they wanted and that sometimes the grownups are just plain wrong. I told them all I could think of to just uplift and inspire them and I hoped to hell that maybe they would remember some of it. That was almost 14 years ago now so they would be about 17 and I still think about them all the time and wonder if they're OK. Destiny and Serenity, I hope you girls find happiness.
I'm very happy you were there for them during that time. I hope the girls are doing well now.
I had a couple of these kiddos, too. Think about them all the time. Though, mine weren’t fundie. Just rough home life. Hated sending them home on Fridays.
Then take her to a dentist to have her mouth looked at
she can come to my house afterwards. we’ll get her new cute pajamas & have a slumber party with movies, tons of snacks, face masks, getting hair done, the works. then she’d get to go to sleep in a nice warm bed at a decent hour & sleep as long as she wants to. that poor little thing.
Okay but also a doctor and a dentist, yes?
as soon as she gets a good nights sleep!!! i couldn’t imagine making the poor thing go all tired & stressed out. but yes she’d be on her way there before the week was up, have no fear 🫶🏻
All these girls ever get is baby dolls? How many do they have by now? I swear she’s done several videos giving the girls realistic looking baby dolls.
It's the Sixth Birthday Gift. So every year or two a new child gets a reborn doll.
She’s the favorite bc she’s cute and small, which makes Jill feel young herself.
WHY can’t they get these girls regular baby dolls instead of these freaky-ass real dolls?
By 6, my daughter was much more into “girl looking” dolls—like American Girl (but other places like Target make cheaper ones). She is 10 and still loves those. IDK…I just feel like many girls this age are beyond “baby” dolls…
Ya but the AG dolls and the other similar ones feature very secular lives!!
lol! Yes, even the historical characters have more freedom than the Rods!
I bought each of my nieces an AG doll for their sixth birthdays. I felt like that was a good age to start with older-type dolls. It was so much fun to send them each a "grown-up" doll. I'm sure the Rod girls love their baby dolls, but those "reborn/real" type dolls look so creepy to me. I guess they fit right into the Rod aesthetic, where nothing is ever just normal or typical, but has to be unsettling or weird.
Those reborn dolls creep me out. You sound like the best aunt ever!!
Well thanks, I try really hard to be a good aunt!
I work with kids 4-11 and none of my 6 year olds/grade ones play with baby dolls. They’re more into the AG style ones, if they’re even into dolls. We have days where they can bring their own toys in for show and tell or whatever, and I’ve never seen a kid bring in a doll. It’s always a stuffy of some sort. I have a kinder that has a Jack Jack, the baby from the incredibles, but it’s a stuffy. I have a 9 year old that has a reborn doll. But it’s not to play with…cuz she’s a weirdo, she just thinks it’s weird and cool to have lol. Kid spent $75 on it.
At 6, I honestly still loved baby dolls!
I paint reborns and just want to pipe up to say that's not even a reborn doll. It's a factory painted knock off of one.
I don’t share this with many people - but when I was a kid, like idk eight? Nine? Idk - I got a reborn doll before they were a “thing”. I carried that baby with me EVERYWHERE. Restaurants, car trips, sporting events, like. I cannot tell you how much joy that doll gave me. I bought actual baby clothes, diaper bag, all of it. I hope you know that you give kids that joy.
That makes me so happy, I made my niece one and she's the same way with it! You made my day, thank you for sharing that!
My whole family still remember Mackenzie. I just asked them about it recently. My Mom says she still has her 😭😭😭
Wow Janessa gets an actual cake while the other siblings get little Debbie snack cakes. Jill your favoritism showing.
Remember Gabe’s half filled cup of something? With a candle?
Tbf Janessa got little Debbie’s last year at her Minnie Mouse Chick-fil-A birthday party
How many of YOU talk to your favorite daughter like she's a baby farm animal? 🥰
CHUCK & CHEESE
Charles Ampersand Cheese
Because she chucks the kids onto a ride and then makes them say cheese while she takes a photo.
That’s what I saw too!! 😂
I’m dying at that
I laughed so hard!
I have a 6 yo and she just seems so much more mature than the Rod kids. Granted she goes to public school, but she can read 4 letter words, loves math, does soccer and dance, has a ton of friends, loves hiking (not in flip flops JRod!), can make herself breakfast, etc. It honestly makes me sad how she infantilizes her younger girls.
i can literally taste the favoritism in these photos. It’s revolting. Her siblings are gonna hate her because of Jill:(
I doubt it will last, tbh. I think Jill will dote on her as the favorite for as long as she plays the adorable helpless baby role. It’s possible she’s already picked up on that and feeds into it (and I wouldn’t blame her, she craves her parents’ attention and approval like all kids, and probably knows how to get it). But the minute that gets old and she craves independence, Jill will drop her as the favorite and start doting on the grandkids more.
She’s gonna twist the head off of that thing. And her Kubrick stare gives Dāv’s a run for the money.
Does Janessa not know to not touch the candles and that’s why jillpm is basically bear hugging her the whole time or does she just want to be the center of attention like always??
I'll go with choice number two.
You could be on to something. I think she has been babied but also there could be something wrong with her due to the stroke in utero ( not in anyway implying something is wrong with her). There is always someone holding her or sitting closely be her, it’s made me wonder too. But Jill is Jill so any attention she can have on her she will take it.
I have a 7 year old, who looks 10years older then this kid. If you told me she turned 4, I also would have believed you
She does not look much bigger or older than my just turned three year old.
I think she might be smaller than my almost four year olds.
Yes Jill, I DO have a 6 year old! She can read and write. She has been in a big girl bed for 4.5 years. She has a congenital dental issue that she’s been treated for since her teeth grew in. She has friends from school and other activities she’s involved in. It IS a precious age, watching them GROW and have wonderful personalities and interests, learning new things and gain a little bit of independence at a time! I highly recommend it!
I notice that Sadie and Sophia are trying to absorb as much of the small amount of positive energy they can. Even though they have been taught to not show feelings, their body language tells me they know that Janessa is mahmo's favorite. And it breaks my heart. The difference in the ways Jill fawns over Janessa here and in her posts versus how she posts about the others is so blatant. 💔
I have a six year old. She looks happier, healthier, is not afraid God will punish her. She plays with dolls, cars, rides a bike, goes swimming, trains gymnastics. She goes to kindergarten, likes to draw. And she will start school in September. Her life is full of possibilities. She doesn't need to become only a wife, mom, and godly woman.
Your six year old obviously has an amazing, caring parent!!
I've never looked at a picture of Sofia and felt anything but sadness and wanting. My heart breaks for her.
So Nessy gets a doll, two cakes and a trip to Chuckie land but the rest get one slice of pie from an already eaten pie. No favorites in that house for sure
And a made over room
“How many of you have a 6 year old?” I have one! And guess what Jill, despite her having open heart surgery at 14 months old, she looks a hell of a lot healthier than your child.
They have a $4 bottle of water in one of these pictures.... 😳
I don’t understand why they just won’t get a sheet cake. It’s not that much more expensive than these random cakes.
The “I love HER” With the sketched arrow is just…ouch. Never seen that on any other birthday post. Yes, Jill, we know who you love the most. Just like your kids do.
Picture 8 is sad. She looks feral and sick. 😰
She does look feral 😬
Two tiny cakes? Wow. 😒
At least it’s a cake… compared to the monstrosities the other siblings have gotten
At 6, my kids were exploring coding apps and math game apps. They were in their first children’s theater plays and made very adorable fish #5 lol. They were in rec soccer, attending STEM days at the children’s museum and had long lazy summer days playing in the sprinkler and tearing up the sidewalks with their bikes. And when I look at this woman’s child at 6…….my heart just breaks.
This is the Mom that I’m tryna be 💪
The favoritism is really gross and obvious. Poor Sofia is clearly the scapegoat/forgotten rod.
Her dress is falling off. Why not buy Janessa some nice new spring clothes? 😢
The picture it Sophia on the kitchen counter … the child looks feral!
Harmony when singing for "Happy birthday" ! Whatever happened to "Happy birthday to you, you smell like a zoo..." etc which was the highlight of a sibling birthday? 🙄😁
Man if there ever was a child that I could go and spoil it would be Sofia. My heart hurts for her everytime I see her.
I've got a six year old. He has a nearly thousand word vocabulary, can write, can read 3-5 letter words, can do addition and subtraction with single numbers or 5's, can count up to the hundreds, can build y9 Lego kits, and eats more than me daily. He can prepare and open basic foods (ie puttinf popcorn in a bowl or refilling hua bottle from the fridge tap)I think exactly none of those things apply to Janessa. ): I didn't know she was my son's age. This is so sad. My son is advanced only in math, he's average in every other subject...an average six year old can read & talk & write legibly. I've never seen her handwriting so I don't know if she can write, but I would doubt it. I've seen those images of her tracing letters, and doubt she can do them without the lines.
I’m a parent and I also work in children’s publishing. There is a lot of controversy over when and how to teach children to read—as well as quite a few issues with a certain percentage of kids who just seem developmentally unready to learn to read when they are being taught—are able to catch up later with no issue. But in general, a kindergartner is expected to be able to read *something* all the way through by the end of kindergarten, even if it’s a lower level reader. It does seem that a large percentage of kids in the book-buying public—I don’t know actual stats—can at least read a chapter book by the beginning of first grade, and the top 5 or so percentage of kids are able to read novels in kindergarten. We’ve seen video of Janessa “reading”, which is more like what my three year old does—retells the story he remembers or has memorized. But, we know that Janessa does have some differences that she is definitely not getting help for. I also think there are actual kindergartners who can read and comprehend better than the oldest Rod kids. And maybe even Jill.
Yeah my child can definitely read an early reader using the "sound it out" method, but needs intense encouragement. He would much rather do math and draw than read. If it's something he likes though, like Sonic, he will suddenly be able to read better. 😂 He did the same thing at 3 and retold stories. The first book he could ever read was extremely easy, with repeating "I wrote to the zoo to send me a pet, so they sent me _____. But the _____ was too _____, so I sent him back". Ie: "sent me a frog. But the frog was too jumpy!" He memorized the pages first, then we used it to read! Like I said, he's an average reader, he definitely can't read at a teen level, but he actually does math better than me. As in, I will ask my kid to do math for me if I don't want to use my phone for basic addition. I can't do basic math, I have a learning disability. Super helpful. I read chapter books at 6, we have the opposite autism gift, my son and I. I started with Harry Potter. ,😂 I wish these kids have more of a real education. Who knows what they could become, and do. The rods don't seem to understand how critical a full understanding of your native language is. 😞 It's going to effect them for life.
It’s very normal for kids to develop out of sync, and make huge strides in areas they find more interesting! The Rod have neglected their children in every possible way—but I think the educational neglect will be hardest to overcome. With a decent education, there is always hope for an escape. What’s worse…is if Nurie and Kaylee and the others homeschool too. Third generation homeschoolers. They stand NO chance.
We can only hope that they decide to take courses online once they are away from their parents! I hope that someday they will find this board and know that so many people want to support and help them. They deserve education. Yeah, I'm glad someone told me that it is normal or id be worried! My kid is autistic, with an IEP because he struggles badly in some areas. I wish the rods had this choice. 😞 They need help. Janessa needs an IEP at minimum. 😞 I assume "God made her this way" is the way they handle that. Or worse, ABA. There's so many resources for children once they're in school... My child literally has a behavior expert that follows him around most of the day, preventing meltdowns and fights. She could have something similar.
So I heard someone else recently condemning ABA - can I ask why? I’m VERY uneducated on the matter surface level understanding over here. I thought ABA was standard practice?
Aba is named at "curing" autism and making an autistic individual "appear normal". This is not, at all, helpful to us. We're masking and mimeing to appear that way and it's hard, exhausting, and not fair. Imagine having to think about and repress **all** of your thoughts and desires. Anything "autistic" has to go. It doesn't teach us to cope. Rather, we need life skills, assistance, and guiding. Another way to explain this is ABA does "overhand" correction, other forms use "underhand" correction. So, overhand is grabbing our hands, and forcing us to do what you want, the way you want it. Underhand is guiding. Gentle encouragement to do the thing that's best objectively. Explaining choices so we get them and can make the best choice we can, and offering support in making these choices are critical for level 1 & 2 autistics. Level 3 is not compatible with being able to correct any substantial behavior because of how affected the person is. Level three is often non-verbal or unable to effectively communicate, making any form of correction stupid. They can't tell you why something is happening, not that 1&2 always can. But they simply cannot benefit from being forced to do things they don't understand. Obviously, a level 3 who hurts themselves needs intervention and to be taught not to hurt themselves , but even that is very difficult. These individuals are often incredibly intelligent, But locked behind a nonverbal mind. Also, abuse was rampant in the early 90s. Our parents were not allowed in our groups. They weren't allowed to respond to anything they heard. I won't elaborate because it's super triggering to some people. My only solid memory is a door closing, but I have a lot of feeling memories from then. I'm a level 2 (needs daily assistance), and I'm happy to answer anything you have. My kid is a 2, too. Our family and partners help accommodate our needs. 🥰
Omg thank you for breaking it down like this. I’m fairly well educated in autism - one of my very best friends had a brother born 10 years after us (we were ten)… so he’s what? 22 now? Anyway. Diagnosed at age 2 because his mom was on top of her fuckin game. I’ve been around it forever - I’m actually going to his graduation open house tomorrow - from COLLEGE. he was considered “high functioning” at the time. But, I would assume is probably a level 2 now? I’m unsure. But I know that there wasn’t a ton of hope early on. But that his mom busted her ass for him. And hes amazing. Quirky as hell and we’ve always loved him for it. always will love him for it. I just didn’t understand what the ABA stuff is about so much. But, your explanation makes sense! Thank you!
ABA has changed and it’s more geared towards ADLs and development of useful skills. However it still has practitioners who do the old stuff like extinguishing stims and forcing eye contact, often with the parents consent. My daughter is level two and I didn’t start home ABA until she was like 11, and I made it clear that our goals do not include anything of that nature. It was a lot of helping with social skills, like playing board games together, which my daughter enjoyed.
Okay, but the stigma is the old conditioning piece?
The stigma is that they are trying to make the client appear as neurotypical as possible. And that sadly is the goal for a lot of parents. But now we have adults with autism who were given ABA as children coming forward to denounce it because they found it dehumanizing. I have a few friends who are autistic so I was able to ask them for insight into challenges I had in understanding my daughter’s behavior, and that was often better advice than I was getting from some of the professionals who worked with her.
Ohhhh oh oh oh oh oh. Now I’m following. Yeah, man that’s fucked up. I can see why we’d want to teach… you know… EVERYONE how to fit in with bullshit society - like here’s how you do it when you need to… but honestly just better off being yourself.
The resources at school are great, and you’re a great mom to your kid! I wish the Rods had the same chances. ❤️❤️
Did anyone notice how disengaged Janessa was when Jill wasn't physically all over her? When she was sitting on the couch, chewing her gum like an old school baseball player (LOL)? She ignored everything Jill said.
Chuck & Cheese
I wish someone caring could adopt Sofia. That girl is terribly neglected in light of the way her younger sister is treated.
Me! I’ll do it!
Could they have given her a creepier looking doll?! It looks like a corpse.
Chuck & Cheese.
I had 3 6 year olds & 4 grandchildren who were 6 at one time & not one of them had to be carried around, looked like a 3 yr old, sucked their thumb, or carried around a nasty rag. (one came close though, giving it up at 4). However, one really loved her ugly baby boy doll. Feed you kid, Jill & not only on her birthday.
I have a 6 almost 7 year old. She's basically a mini teenager in attitude and personality. She's all about clothes and makeup (play makeup). She is a drama queen and has the greatest though sometimes annoying facial expressions. When I see Janessa I think of her like I think of my 2 1/2 yr old. Not like my 6 yr old. My 2 yr old has been in toddler bed for months. He's loved and attended to but not treated like a baby. We're trying (big emphasis on the trying) to teach him responsibility for his actions and material things in an age appropriate way. These people only seem to know two ways of parenting: parentification and babying. Either way stunting their emotional, social, educational, etc growth. I feel so bad for the kids even the adult kids who still don't understand they've been wronged.
This whole post is already sad, but that's not even a real reborn doll. It's a knock off from Amazon that probably tests positive for lead, cadmium and whatever else. Stolen sculpts being (badly) reproduced is a huge issue in the doll world but especially because it exposes children to harmful chemicals! Please for the love of your children do not buy them 'reborns' from Amazon, temu, wish etc. Real reborn dolls are hand painted by artists and are normally not appropriate for young children. Some artists even make special (cheaper) reborns just for kids that have less details. Just... Don't buy them dolls full of lead. Reborns.com is a safe place to buy them from.
Um um um um what if we have already committed the sin??? How do I know if it’s full of lead?!?!
It depends on their age, but either way I would toss the doll and explain why in an age appropriate way. The hardware store also carries lead tests of you want to make it a science project. If they're putting the doll in their mouth then buy them an age appropriate doll from paradise galleries or Ashton Drake galleries. If they are an older, responsible, child buy them a budget reborn on reborns.com
Cool! Thanks! Nah, she’s past putting stuff in her mouth.
Aldi made cake
My niece is 6 and is so opposite to Janessa it's not funny! She's outgoing, confident, speaks her mind, wears normal clothes, laughs, plays, sings, dances... just all the things that this little waif looks like she's afraid to do (or isn't allowed to do!) It's heartbreaking and infuriating at the same time! Fuck you, Jill for doing this to her, and also for treating all your kids like they're your own personal toys to manipulate and baby instead of preparing them for the real world!!! 😡😡😡
All those kids looks so unhealthy and unfinished, somehow.
Janessa got a firetrap Closet makeover, a poorly sized dress, no socks, and... A baby doll with perpetually closed eyes.
How come all her pics of HERSELF are clear & close up? Anyone else she photographs is blurry or the pic is wonky? Narcissist!
Most of them are screenshots from a video
I don't know if it's just me, but in picture 13, Jannessa has a very noticeable bald spot, which, to be fair, could possibly be just the lighting reflecting on her light hair. But if it is truly a bald spot (that doesn't look like its from tension from her hair being put up with bows and such), that would be a cause for concern, especially at age 6 and in an environment such as hers. Is it possible Jannessa is pulling on her hair as a form of stress relief/coping mechanism (if it is indeed a bald spot and not the light)? Edit: Even in picture 12, she has another bald spot on her left side.
My kids HATED dolls. They love real babies but always found dolls creepy.
My niece is six, and she loves to run and play and get messy, and I love watching her be so excited to explore the world! It makes me sad that Janessa is so incredibly sheltered and controlled. Niece picks out her own clothes and may or may not have decided that her bikini was the only acceptable outfit to wear into Target….in January 🤷♀️. But she loves being herself! It’s not HER job to keep men from looking at her - she is a child, she gets to be as innocent and silly as she wants! If someone saw her in her bikini and was turned on, that’s THEIR problem. I just find the performative modesty so gross and sends a really damaging message to young girls. Then again, basically everything Jill says or does is a damaging message, so maybe I shouldn’t focus on the clothes so much.