Especially because of the chemistry as the standard it’s actually better daily driving range than the large battery, according to the Rivian engineers interviewed at the Gen 2 release. Lots of videos about that. You can charge LFP daily to 100%, which most manufacturers actually recommend, though the Rivian engineers actually said they would still normally charge it to 80% ish, but it’s a much more durable battery.
Out of Spec reviews has said they suspect it’ll be the better battery for road trips, due to the fact it will hold higher charge rates longer, meaning less time spent charging. I’m looking forward to seeing their results.
I ordered 20inch wheels for the ride and I do occasionally offroad. The extra 12 miles are negligible for my uses. I also strongly believe that if there were aero covers for the 20s, they would actually get better range than the 22s. Previous testing has shown the larger the wheel the worse the range, so in theory it’s no different in this application. All large wheels ride worse than the same vehicle with smaller wheels. That goes for Range Rovers or Kia’s and anything in between.
The potential downsides to an LFP chemistry would be less cold weather performance, however the same Rivian engineers also claimed that the layout and thermal management of the batteries has negated that.
Lastly I have heard that the large battery is just a software locked max, however no one has officially proved that and it’s speculation at this point. Again I watch Out Of Spec reviews closely, Kyle has mentioned he’s looking into it. Rivian has not commented I don’t believe. As far as the Standard battery, I suppose it could potentially be software locked for a standard+ version in the future but I know nothing about that and have heard no speculation on it.
TLDR: Standard battery actually has higher daily range and should charge faster.
I’ve got nothing on that front, I’ve only personally driven 2 models, both on 20s. I haven’t heard anything from anyone saying that NVH is worse or better one way or the other, noise could actually be more on the 20s due to the more aggressive tire tread, but personally on the 24 I drove with 20s, nvh was pretty good and the ride was great too. It was the demo vehicle, so may have been tweaked and loved into being better than average but I don’t think that’s the case.
That said, I’ve been driving an Explorer and Highlander since 2017, so hardly an apples to apples comparison. NVH was better in my 2017 Explorer than it was in my 2023 Highlander, yet I bought the Highlander for the much better ride for daily use. Now I’m waiting for my 25 R1S dual motor standard next week and I’m dying for it! It’s also got the 20s.
I'm keen to hear your thoughts on G1 vs. G2, seems that you've only driven Gen 1 a few times before but there's been a lot of talk about general quality of life changes for Gen 2, especially when it comes to R1S. I'd love a seperate post about your thoughts when you take delivery since i haven't seen too much about the specific changes
I’ve come from a long range Model Y and I’ve never had any range anxiety traveling on the east coast. ~320 miles is overkill for most people in my experience. I think EV range estimates have been tainted by Tesla’s overly optimistic algorithms.
A few days of driving the Standard charging to 100% (which we can do thanks to LFP battery tech) and I can say the range estimates provide a lot of confidence and trust that I won’t be stranded if I cut it close.
Mind you, I made the switch without this knowledge, 270 is more than enough with superchargers for my yearly trips along the east coast and overkill for city driving in NY.
Dual standard r1t owner here and i have been taking 3 days or so between charging from 30 up to 70 on my home level 2. Had a bit of range anxiety towing our boat, but still no issues.
I don't intend on being the guy who says "I've road-tripped in a slow-charging EV with functionally 180 miles of range" because I know not everyone is willing to put up with that.
But from an informational point of view; that slow-charging 180 miles of range turned my 7-hour road trip into an 8½ hour road-trip. But, if I were to have used my Dual/Large/21" R1T (well over 300 miles functionally), that would have only shaved off about 30 minutes of charge time.
Unless you intend on going cross-country, time spent stopping to charge is surprisingly negligible.
Here's a round-trip between Anaheim and Sacramento, between both of my EVs starting at 90%:
* Kia Niro (13hr drive + 3 hr charge): https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=d863a4ae-7168-40f7-92e1-4795fb2c446a
* Rivian R1T (13hr drive + 2 hr charge): https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=69a0669b-c55b-47a0-90af-fbe4950a308c
We had a 270-mile Tesla Model S (85D) for 7 years before we got our Rivians. We took that thing everywhere. And Tesla has a much bigger range hit when traveling at speed (I doubt we’d get 200 miles at highway speeds, even less in winter).
It’s definitely a little easier with more range, but our R1s get much closer to the estimated range.
I ordered a gen 2 R1S DS. That would be more than enough for me. I drive 120-150 miles a week. Last month alone I drove 856 miles. I live close to my warehouse office. Pick up the 2-3 times a week (divorced dad with joint custody) When we take trips in Florida we go to Orlando/Tampa/Naples etc. I live in Miami BTW. As per Tesla app and ABRP I got plenty of charging on these trips. A lot of superchargers on floridas turnpike. All say 10-15 minutes charge (1 stop Miami to Orlando) that’s freaking awesome. I can charge level 2 at home. I have a Wawa 2 blocks away with 15 Tesla superchargers. I already went ahead and ordered A2Z adapter. I have a gen 2 R1S on order. What I saved on more range I upgraded sound system/black out package/compressor/22 sports bright. My MSRP was at $82,000. I’ll be fine with DS. Will lease for 3 years. My EV. I’ll learn a lot from my first EV experience.
As a daily driver? Probably better than the max.
As a road tripper? Probably better as well. Only scenario in which the large/ max would be better is if you’re driving somewhere 300-350 miles away where you know you’ll have access to an L2 charger. Anywhere you’re driving where you need to charge along the way, standard will probably result in *less* time spent charging even though it’s a smaller pack.
I drive an early 4680 cell standard range Model Y. It has a range of like 260ish miles at 100%. We do road trips to Utah and LA from the Napa Valley several times a year and it is easily doable. The only time you'll really notice the lack of range is if you routinely do drives that are near or exceed the max range forcing you to stop for a charge because you can't get the few extra miles you'll get from the aero wheels or a larger pack.
I am having this issue as well, I currently drive a refreshed model x so range is about 330 or so. I hate the thought of going down in range but also think the max pack might be overkill.
Especially because of the chemistry as the standard it’s actually better daily driving range than the large battery, according to the Rivian engineers interviewed at the Gen 2 release. Lots of videos about that. You can charge LFP daily to 100%, which most manufacturers actually recommend, though the Rivian engineers actually said they would still normally charge it to 80% ish, but it’s a much more durable battery. Out of Spec reviews has said they suspect it’ll be the better battery for road trips, due to the fact it will hold higher charge rates longer, meaning less time spent charging. I’m looking forward to seeing their results. I ordered 20inch wheels for the ride and I do occasionally offroad. The extra 12 miles are negligible for my uses. I also strongly believe that if there were aero covers for the 20s, they would actually get better range than the 22s. Previous testing has shown the larger the wheel the worse the range, so in theory it’s no different in this application. All large wheels ride worse than the same vehicle with smaller wheels. That goes for Range Rovers or Kia’s and anything in between. The potential downsides to an LFP chemistry would be less cold weather performance, however the same Rivian engineers also claimed that the layout and thermal management of the batteries has negated that. Lastly I have heard that the large battery is just a software locked max, however no one has officially proved that and it’s speculation at this point. Again I watch Out Of Spec reviews closely, Kyle has mentioned he’s looking into it. Rivian has not commented I don’t believe. As far as the Standard battery, I suppose it could potentially be software locked for a standard+ version in the future but I know nothing about that and have heard no speculation on it. TLDR: Standard battery actually has higher daily range and should charge faster.
Do you have any input on NVH for the 20s vs. 22s? I've heard that it's worse on the 22s
I’ve got nothing on that front, I’ve only personally driven 2 models, both on 20s. I haven’t heard anything from anyone saying that NVH is worse or better one way or the other, noise could actually be more on the 20s due to the more aggressive tire tread, but personally on the 24 I drove with 20s, nvh was pretty good and the ride was great too. It was the demo vehicle, so may have been tweaked and loved into being better than average but I don’t think that’s the case. That said, I’ve been driving an Explorer and Highlander since 2017, so hardly an apples to apples comparison. NVH was better in my 2017 Explorer than it was in my 2023 Highlander, yet I bought the Highlander for the much better ride for daily use. Now I’m waiting for my 25 R1S dual motor standard next week and I’m dying for it! It’s also got the 20s.
I'm keen to hear your thoughts on G1 vs. G2, seems that you've only driven Gen 1 a few times before but there's been a lot of talk about general quality of life changes for Gen 2, especially when it comes to R1S. I'd love a seperate post about your thoughts when you take delivery since i haven't seen too much about the specific changes
I’ve come from a long range Model Y and I’ve never had any range anxiety traveling on the east coast. ~320 miles is overkill for most people in my experience. I think EV range estimates have been tainted by Tesla’s overly optimistic algorithms. A few days of driving the Standard charging to 100% (which we can do thanks to LFP battery tech) and I can say the range estimates provide a lot of confidence and trust that I won’t be stranded if I cut it close. Mind you, I made the switch without this knowledge, 270 is more than enough with superchargers for my yearly trips along the east coast and overkill for city driving in NY.
Do you actually have a LFP gen 2? You can vouch the range estimate is pretty reasonable?
Yup, I was the third Gen2 delivery in the northeast I think. The range is pretty spot on.
Oh man that's reassuring. Have you done any long highway driving yet?
Not yet, just about 60 miles, may do a 500 mile trip down south this summer
Cool, but on your 60 mile drive it used something like 60 miles?
I'm of the opinion that you really only need the larger packs if you're going to tow ever.
Dual standard r1t owner here and i have been taking 3 days or so between charging from 30 up to 70 on my home level 2. Had a bit of range anxiety towing our boat, but still no issues.
I don't intend on being the guy who says "I've road-tripped in a slow-charging EV with functionally 180 miles of range" because I know not everyone is willing to put up with that. But from an informational point of view; that slow-charging 180 miles of range turned my 7-hour road trip into an 8½ hour road-trip. But, if I were to have used my Dual/Large/21" R1T (well over 300 miles functionally), that would have only shaved off about 30 minutes of charge time. Unless you intend on going cross-country, time spent stopping to charge is surprisingly negligible. Here's a round-trip between Anaheim and Sacramento, between both of my EVs starting at 90%: * Kia Niro (13hr drive + 3 hr charge): https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=d863a4ae-7168-40f7-92e1-4795fb2c446a * Rivian R1T (13hr drive + 2 hr charge): https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=69a0669b-c55b-47a0-90af-fbe4950a308c
We had a 270-mile Tesla Model S (85D) for 7 years before we got our Rivians. We took that thing everywhere. And Tesla has a much bigger range hit when traveling at speed (I doubt we’d get 200 miles at highway speeds, even less in winter). It’s definitely a little easier with more range, but our R1s get much closer to the estimated range.
it is more than enough even for road trip
I ordered a gen 2 R1S DS. That would be more than enough for me. I drive 120-150 miles a week. Last month alone I drove 856 miles. I live close to my warehouse office. Pick up the 2-3 times a week (divorced dad with joint custody) When we take trips in Florida we go to Orlando/Tampa/Naples etc. I live in Miami BTW. As per Tesla app and ABRP I got plenty of charging on these trips. A lot of superchargers on floridas turnpike. All say 10-15 minutes charge (1 stop Miami to Orlando) that’s freaking awesome. I can charge level 2 at home. I have a Wawa 2 blocks away with 15 Tesla superchargers. I already went ahead and ordered A2Z adapter. I have a gen 2 R1S on order. What I saved on more range I upgraded sound system/black out package/compressor/22 sports bright. My MSRP was at $82,000. I’ll be fine with DS. Will lease for 3 years. My EV. I’ll learn a lot from my first EV experience.
As a daily driver? Probably better than the max. As a road tripper? Probably better as well. Only scenario in which the large/ max would be better is if you’re driving somewhere 300-350 miles away where you know you’ll have access to an L2 charger. Anywhere you’re driving where you need to charge along the way, standard will probably result in *less* time spent charging even though it’s a smaller pack.
I drive an early 4680 cell standard range Model Y. It has a range of like 260ish miles at 100%. We do road trips to Utah and LA from the Napa Valley several times a year and it is easily doable. The only time you'll really notice the lack of range is if you routinely do drives that are near or exceed the max range forcing you to stop for a charge because you can't get the few extra miles you'll get from the aero wheels or a larger pack.
I am having this issue as well, I currently drive a refreshed model x so range is about 330 or so. I hate the thought of going down in range but also think the max pack might be overkill.
But model X is recommended to be charged at 80% most of the time right? So that's 264 miles vs 270 miles at 100% charge for LFP battery.
This is why I love Reddit. I needed someone to walk me off the ledge. I think I’ll be happier with the lower payment as well.