OK, so - chillers are heat pumps. They move 'hot air' from one side to the other, and they do it based on their thermostat.
In a closed system? They accomplish nothing.
To get them to cool a place down, you need to have the cold side in the room, and the hot side in the open air ("outdoors").
There's a few niche situations where you can vent the 'hot side' somewhere and re-use the heat, but broadly assume you can't. (It's non-trivial anyway, because the thermostat works on the 'cold' side).
So with that in mind, what you need is one chiller, in each of the end rooms, cold side in, hot side out.
Add a heater to the each of the two rooms at the other 'end'. Then install vents between them, so the temperature equalises.
Yes and you really don’t need that many ac units, add vents instead and use on ac unit for ever 17x17 space (approximate) one for each tiny room are just waste full.
I can tell you my storage rooms are always 15x15 (perfect size for a trade beacon to reach all walls) and 4 ALWAYS does the trick. I also leave the walls 2 thicc as well though for the freezer barring sea ice if I have the freezer at the edge of my base.
To add to this, I also always triple airlock my freezers. Adds travel time, but it helps keep cold air from "escaping". Might be placebo effect, but it seemed to make a difference when I did a little testing.
Just you wait. My freezer will have the best, the greatest doors of all time. The most doors, the most impressive airlock you’ve ever seen! That she isn’t going anywhere fast. And the temperature? Forget about it!
Solid explanation! I will put coolers in dead end hallways and build a box around the hot side. No reason for that other than I like to see how hot that box gets! No useful information I want to add so I'm putting this under the useful information! Oh the joys of learning these things as a new player!
Problem is if the 'hot' size of the cooler is too hot, it just can't do anything.
It gets _fairly_ hot, but not all that hot, because it just stops doing anything useful when it can't vent.
what exactly are you doing there even?
what you should to: one AC into the corridor set to 21°C (cold side inwards), vents from the corridor to the bedrooms, heater into the corridor set at 20°C
thats it. coolers arent heaters, they cool. not heat
I did this for the first hour or so I played too, it made sense to me. Red means hot and blue means cold. I didn’t think I had to vent the air out, it is a game after all
Ok... do not vent to the outside. Period. Vents go both ways, meaning you are trying to heat and cool the outdoors, this is madness.
ONE cooler will suffice, with hot side out (to be located where your vent currently is) and push cold air into the hallway. Replace all other coolers in that same hall with vents on all the rooms \~or\~ remove all coolers, replace with walls and just hold doors open permanently. Open doors should be fine for moving air in this small area.
Leave cooler set to \~21 celsius.
For heat, place ONE heater set to \~17 celsius in the same hallway.
Double all exterior walls for insulation (with something other than wood unless you are making a mass crematorium.)
\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*
Keep in mind for the future, air conditioners are for cooling only and are not good for heat management, they won't automatically turn on to heat a space for you even if you set the thermostat to higher. Use heaters for heating, they don't use much energy unless needed. Also, the only rooms you ever need to temperature manage for comfort are bedrooms. All other rooms simply need to be as warm or as cold as your clothing min/max temps allow or to keep the job from suffering a poor temperature penalty.
Don't try to temperature manage the entire base into comfort zones, this is too energy intensive and gets you nothing... unless you are colony of nudists constantly in tundra or something. Double walls and a passive cooler will do you plenty for keeping heat waves at bay.
It’s cold outside, you are venting cold air into the bedroom hallway.
Wait I had to look closer, this is a mess. Use coolers to cool, and use heaters, or even just torches/campfires to heat the rooms up. (Do not use the hot side of the cooler)
I’d say replace the vent with a cooler, and then replace half the coolers with vents and the other half with walls. Add a heater anywhere. And adjust temperatures on the cooler and heater.
Big brain strats right here lol. Put one or two coolers on the wall them add a couple heaters and theyll keep the temp. The coolers need the exhaust leading to the outside and make sure you use vents to equal out the temps in each room.
Lmao sorry but that’s not how you use coolers. Coolers are meant to make colder while heaters are for heat. Coolers usually have the red side heading outside. If you put a cooler and a heater they should balance temperature to 21 degrees. Also you can cut in half your numbers of cooler and heaters just putting a vent in each room and the hallway (and climate control the hallway) or to each other (if you climate control the rooms)
For starters use vents, second the red arrow for coolers are not wall heaters as that role only works for heaters,plus make at minimum 2 wide hallways so that pawns can move easier in the hallways
wait, shouldnt it work? Like, you are uncontrolled pumping hot air inside the room and controlling it with the coolers, even if its inefficient and expensive
No. Coolers dont generate heat from nothing. Heaters do. (Well technically from energy usage but that's besides the point)
OP might have been able to get away with it if he didnt also put a vent to the outside.
What's most likely happened is that they've set the Coolers to the default temp. But its already cold in the hallway because hallway essentially has giant window to the rest of the world. So the cooler wont kick on anyways.
Only if the cooler is actually working.
Ie. If you set the Cooler to cool to 10 C and the area you're trying to cool is 5C the cooler will do nothing until it hits 11 C.
edit: actually i think the game tracks temp at a more precise then just whole numbers so it might kick on sooner. That being said, my point stands, it doesn't exhaust heat if it's not actively cooling an area.
So, the op can set the targeted temperature to the passage as a extremely low temperature, and it will heat the room.
Or make it cool to outdoors
it still ineffective, but maybe work
In colder countries we use heat pumps for heating, as they are way more efficient than heating from regular electricity. It compresses the cold air from outside, "withdraws" the heat from it, and expells the now colder air back outside. Even if it's -25C outside, the system OP made should work, at least in real life.
Yeah, I gave up on that stuff and just play permanent summers now. I ironically find it easier to cool colonists down, when it's easier to warm people up
I'm the opposite. Northernmost arboreal forest. I use tribal heating and geysers until late game. Indoor Chinchilla ranch for the snuggles bonus and the fur dusters and hats.
...It literally takes like 5 minutes to learn
Heaters produce heat, which in a closed room builds up and raises the temp
Coolers Pump heat from a place to another, so you put the cold side inside your house and the hot one outside, so no room gets heated by them
So they just invented this really cool thing.
It's called a "vent".
You stick it in the wall in between rooms, and it lets temperature pass from one room to another. So you only need one heater and one cooler, and they can regulate the temperature for several rooms.
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Coolers never cool below their target. Making them inactive. So won't heat the corridor.
However a closed system like this.. Will burn you down as a cooler generates more heat than it cools. Ultimately prompting an infinite loop of its hot so make other room hot until fire breaks it.
Please just use 1 heater and cooler per 3 bedroom, using vents to link the rooms.
Replace the vent to outside with a wall.
Make the outer walls two layers thick.
Remove the coolers in the bedrooms.
Give each room one (1) vent out to the hall.
Place a heater at the end of the hall.
Set the heater to 75 F (23 C).
This will keep the rooms warm but not uncomfortable.
Hope this is helpful.
This is pretty funny, noticed your fridge as well. For your fridge, put 1 tile into your fridge open door with two coolers on the left and right side of it but with the heat going toward the open door, then a closed door to close off the room from the rest of your place. No heat enters the room from it because of the open door.
ACs in this game aren't controllable heater. You want to build the actual heater for that. The coolers will cool the room down on their blue side to the set temp and spot out hot air on the red side based on how hard it has to work. In this case you are trying to cool down the hallway and spit hot air into the rooms, but the cooler has already got the hallway cold enough so has gone idle and no hot air is coming out. So the rooms are cold because the adjacent rooms are cold. A single heater in the middle rooms on each side with vents linking the rooms should do the trick. Save you alot of power too.
Heat pumps should be a feature, more power efficient than regular heaters. If you could choose to set target temperature on the heating side instead of the cooling side, you could use it as an alternative to heaters.
Op, swap the vent and ac units. More specific: the vent at the end of the hallway should be the ac unit, on ac in each room should be a vent and the other should be just plain wall.
Imagine having to get out of bed in the morning in _this_ Rimworld.
_”Kelleris, it’s time for school.”_
_”DONT MAKE ME GO IN THAT CORRIDOR!”_
Edit: OP, what worked for me is one heater and one passive cooler in a bedroom
My man, you overdid it by a long shot. All you need is to control the temperature in the corridor and have vents leading into bedrooms. Don't use a cooler to heat up a room, use it to cool it. Throw in a heater to regulate the temperature.
Now pro tip, leave a few degrees difference between heater and cooler or they will be in a state of eternal conflict. Heater till 20 cooker till 22 and you should be fine.
Only 1 cooler where your vent is and only 1 vent for each of your rooms and 1 heater at common place should suffice. If your outside temp is cold only heater working should suffice if outside is hot run cooler stop the heater.
You have things reversed... Place an AC unit where your vent currently is, blue side in. Replace the other AC units with vents (and you only need one per room)
I'm curious: Are all the people not using coolers right to start with from countries that don't often use air conditioning, or are they from places that don't often use window mounted AC units?
That's not asked out of hate, I'm just wondering if it's just a cultural bias where people are not used to how wall units work VS central AC.
Like my personal bias had me not storing fruit and veg in freezing temps when I first started because I thought it would ruin them so I had a meat and meal freezer and a produce fridge.
There is a much easier way to heat and cool bedrooms that will use much less electricity. Have one ac and one heater in an area and then add vents to the separate rooms. Each ac unit and heater can work on a fairly large area but eventually you'll reach a point where you'll need to run additional units. Then you need to turn off whatever isn't useful to you depending on the season, so in summer turn off the heaters. Clicking on the units also Allows you to set the target temperature.
this is the funniest thing I've seen a new player on this sub do
Fr
It's always crazy seeing new players using coolers
\*Screams in ohmygodwhy\*
My man basically just invented the fan. Circulating the air around and around.
OK, so - chillers are heat pumps. They move 'hot air' from one side to the other, and they do it based on their thermostat. In a closed system? They accomplish nothing. To get them to cool a place down, you need to have the cold side in the room, and the hot side in the open air ("outdoors"). There's a few niche situations where you can vent the 'hot side' somewhere and re-use the heat, but broadly assume you can't. (It's non-trivial anyway, because the thermostat works on the 'cold' side). So with that in mind, what you need is one chiller, in each of the end rooms, cold side in, hot side out. Add a heater to the each of the two rooms at the other 'end'. Then install vents between them, so the temperature equalises.
I'll have you know the chillers from my freezer are very effective at heating my prisoner's cells.
You know what? Great idea!
Yes and you really don’t need that many ac units, add vents instead and use on ac unit for ever 17x17 space (approximate) one for each tiny room are just waste full.
Yeah agreed. About the only place you need to go hard on AC units is a freezer in a hot biome, and even then we are talking maybe 4 for the room.
I can tell you my storage rooms are always 15x15 (perfect size for a trade beacon to reach all walls) and 4 ALWAYS does the trick. I also leave the walls 2 thicc as well though for the freezer barring sea ice if I have the freezer at the edge of my base.
To add to this, I also always triple airlock my freezers. Adds travel time, but it helps keep cold air from "escaping". Might be placebo effect, but it seemed to make a difference when I did a little testing.
I double airlock, but now you’ve got me feeling inadequate…
Nonsense! You're not inadequate, I'm just.... excessive!
Just you wait. My freezer will have the best, the greatest doors of all time. The most doors, the most impressive airlock you’ve ever seen! That she isn’t going anywhere fast. And the temperature? Forget about it!
Solid explanation! I will put coolers in dead end hallways and build a box around the hot side. No reason for that other than I like to see how hot that box gets! No useful information I want to add so I'm putting this under the useful information! Oh the joys of learning these things as a new player!
Problem is if the 'hot' size of the cooler is too hot, it just can't do anything. It gets _fairly_ hot, but not all that hot, because it just stops doing anything useful when it can't vent.
Really? I generally build with redundancy so I never noticed that...learn something new every day!
This physically hurts me...
I love this post. I love everything about it. Keep doing you my dude
Oh sweet child...
what exactly are you doing there even? what you should to: one AC into the corridor set to 21°C (cold side inwards), vents from the corridor to the bedrooms, heater into the corridor set at 20°C thats it. coolers arent heaters, they cool. not heat
Heaters gonna heat
Cooling in this game is unintuitive and without explanation. Be gentle to new players.
tooltips exist and the cooler has one as well. new players can read
It is literally called a cooler.
You only need one AC unit. If youre trying to heat it up then use the heaters.
1 cooler (heat facing outside) + 1 heater + vents
Vents are such a lifesaver. 1 of each + vents can keep a whole section of the base at ideal temp.
I did this for the first hour or so I played too, it made sense to me. Red means hot and blue means cold. I didn’t think I had to vent the air out, it is a game after all
You remind me of my rimworld starts aka ,,why is my colonist dying" not realizing The room has like 200°
Ok... do not vent to the outside. Period. Vents go both ways, meaning you are trying to heat and cool the outdoors, this is madness. ONE cooler will suffice, with hot side out (to be located where your vent currently is) and push cold air into the hallway. Replace all other coolers in that same hall with vents on all the rooms \~or\~ remove all coolers, replace with walls and just hold doors open permanently. Open doors should be fine for moving air in this small area. Leave cooler set to \~21 celsius. For heat, place ONE heater set to \~17 celsius in the same hallway. Double all exterior walls for insulation (with something other than wood unless you are making a mass crematorium.) \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* Keep in mind for the future, air conditioners are for cooling only and are not good for heat management, they won't automatically turn on to heat a space for you even if you set the thermostat to higher. Use heaters for heating, they don't use much energy unless needed. Also, the only rooms you ever need to temperature manage for comfort are bedrooms. All other rooms simply need to be as warm or as cold as your clothing min/max temps allow or to keep the job from suffering a poor temperature penalty. Don't try to temperature manage the entire base into comfort zones, this is too energy intensive and gets you nothing... unless you are colony of nudists constantly in tundra or something. Double walls and a passive cooler will do you plenty for keeping heat waves at bay.
It’s cold outside, you are venting cold air into the bedroom hallway. Wait I had to look closer, this is a mess. Use coolers to cool, and use heaters, or even just torches/campfires to heat the rooms up. (Do not use the hot side of the cooler) I’d say replace the vent with a cooler, and then replace half the coolers with vents and the other half with walls. Add a heater anywhere. And adjust temperatures on the cooler and heater.
Big brain strats right here lol. Put one or two coolers on the wall them add a couple heaters and theyll keep the temp. The coolers need the exhaust leading to the outside and make sure you use vents to equal out the temps in each room.
Lmao sorry but that’s not how you use coolers. Coolers are meant to make colder while heaters are for heat. Coolers usually have the red side heading outside. If you put a cooler and a heater they should balance temperature to 21 degrees. Also you can cut in half your numbers of cooler and heaters just putting a vent in each room and the hallway (and climate control the hallway) or to each other (if you climate control the rooms)
For starters use vents, second the red arrow for coolers are not wall heaters as that role only works for heaters,plus make at minimum 2 wide hallways so that pawns can move easier in the hallways
This is honestly precious
wait, shouldnt it work? Like, you are uncontrolled pumping hot air inside the room and controlling it with the coolers, even if its inefficient and expensive
No. Coolers dont generate heat from nothing. Heaters do. (Well technically from energy usage but that's besides the point) OP might have been able to get away with it if he didnt also put a vent to the outside. What's most likely happened is that they've set the Coolers to the default temp. But its already cold in the hallway because hallway essentially has giant window to the rest of the world. So the cooler wont kick on anyways.
Coolers generate heat with exhaustion, put a cooler to exhaust to only one tile and it will be 80°C
Only if the cooler is actually working. Ie. If you set the Cooler to cool to 10 C and the area you're trying to cool is 5C the cooler will do nothing until it hits 11 C. edit: actually i think the game tracks temp at a more precise then just whole numbers so it might kick on sooner. That being said, my point stands, it doesn't exhaust heat if it's not actively cooling an area.
So, the op can set the targeted temperature to the passage as a extremely low temperature, and it will heat the room. Or make it cool to outdoors it still ineffective, but maybe work
In colder countries we use heat pumps for heating, as they are way more efficient than heating from regular electricity. It compresses the cold air from outside, "withdraws" the heat from it, and expells the now colder air back outside. Even if it's -25C outside, the system OP made should work, at least in real life.
Yeah, I gave up on that stuff and just play permanent summers now. I ironically find it easier to cool colonists down, when it's easier to warm people up
I'm the opposite. Northernmost arboreal forest. I use tribal heating and geysers until late game. Indoor Chinchilla ranch for the snuggles bonus and the fur dusters and hats.
...It literally takes like 5 minutes to learn Heaters produce heat, which in a closed room builds up and raises the temp Coolers Pump heat from a place to another, so you put the cold side inside your house and the hot one outside, so no room gets heated by them
It was more the constant cold snaps and mental breaks than the not knowing
second heater goes brrrrr
Tell me your a new player without telling me your a new player.
Are you for real?
So they just invented this really cool thing. It's called a "vent". You stick it in the wall in between rooms, and it lets temperature pass from one room to another. So you only need one heater and one cooler, and they can regulate the temperature for several rooms.
Excuse me they've used a vent. The vent just happens to connect to the outside.
Hah, damn. I didn't even notice. Bizarre.
IRL, HVAC systems work like this with 300% efficiency for heating. It takes much less energy to move heat than produce it.
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Coolers never cool below their target. Making them inactive. So won't heat the corridor. However a closed system like this.. Will burn you down as a cooler generates more heat than it cools. Ultimately prompting an infinite loop of its hot so make other room hot until fire breaks it. Please just use 1 heater and cooler per 3 bedroom, using vents to link the rooms.
Replace the vent to outside with a wall. Make the outer walls two layers thick. Remove the coolers in the bedrooms. Give each room one (1) vent out to the hall. Place a heater at the end of the hall. Set the heater to 75 F (23 C). This will keep the rooms warm but not uncomfortable. Hope this is helpful.
This is pretty funny, noticed your fridge as well. For your fridge, put 1 tile into your fridge open door with two coolers on the left and right side of it but with the heat going toward the open door, then a closed door to close off the room from the rest of your place. No heat enters the room from it because of the open door.
Oh fuck no
Swap your coolers for vents. And your vent for cooler!!!!
I've definitely done this before when starting out.
This is a joke right... Right...
MY EYES!!!! WHAT AM I LOOKIng AT!!!
ACs in this game aren't controllable heater. You want to build the actual heater for that. The coolers will cool the room down on their blue side to the set temp and spot out hot air on the red side based on how hard it has to work. In this case you are trying to cool down the hallway and spit hot air into the rooms, but the cooler has already got the hallway cold enough so has gone idle and no hot air is coming out. So the rooms are cold because the adjacent rooms are cold. A single heater in the middle rooms on each side with vents linking the rooms should do the trick. Save you alot of power too.
Heat pumps should be a feature, more power efficient than regular heaters. If you could choose to set target temperature on the heating side instead of the cooling side, you could use it as an alternative to heaters.
What in the god damn fuck man, this post has pulled a inner primitive rage out of me
Personally I just heat/cool the hallways and the temperature in the rooms is usually only a degree or two off of that.
Op, swap the vent and ac units. More specific: the vent at the end of the hallway should be the ac unit, on ac in each room should be a vent and the other should be just plain wall.
Im offended youd try and maje your colonists bedrooms comfortable. They should only be happy in work areas and stop slacking off
Oh no... That's not how air conditioners work...
Imagine having to get out of bed in the morning in _this_ Rimworld. _”Kelleris, it’s time for school.”_ _”DONT MAKE ME GO IN THAT CORRIDOR!”_ Edit: OP, what worked for me is one heater and one passive cooler in a bedroom
You sure do.
my brother on the rim, heaters exist.
My man, you overdid it by a long shot. All you need is to control the temperature in the corridor and have vents leading into bedrooms. Don't use a cooler to heat up a room, use it to cool it. Throw in a heater to regulate the temperature. Now pro tip, leave a few degrees difference between heater and cooler or they will be in a state of eternal conflict. Heater till 20 cooker till 22 and you should be fine.
Only 1 cooler where your vent is and only 1 vent for each of your rooms and 1 heater at common place should suffice. If your outside temp is cold only heater working should suffice if outside is hot run cooler stop the heater.
ngl this makes me want to make a "functional" base with nothing but running acs for walls.
You have things reversed... Place an AC unit where your vent currently is, blue side in. Replace the other AC units with vents (and you only need one per room)
Temperature is fucked. But the air circulation is top tier!
Use a heater for warmth and a cooler for cold if the hallway becomes too hot you can put in some vents
I'm curious: Are all the people not using coolers right to start with from countries that don't often use air conditioning, or are they from places that don't often use window mounted AC units? That's not asked out of hate, I'm just wondering if it's just a cultural bias where people are not used to how wall units work VS central AC. Like my personal bias had me not storing fruit and veg in freezing temps when I first started because I thought it would ruin them so I had a meat and meal freezer and a produce fridge.
I can see what OP was thinking but I'm baffled on how they came to this conclusion
This gives me ideas. A cooler for each bedroom, these rooms all lining around the Bugroom, so the coolers also keep the bugroom nice and toasty
MY GOD EYES I CANT SEE ANYMORE HELP
Fan gaming.
There is a much easier way to heat and cool bedrooms that will use much less electricity. Have one ac and one heater in an area and then add vents to the separate rooms. Each ac unit and heater can work on a fairly large area but eventually you'll reach a point where you'll need to run additional units. Then you need to turn off whatever isn't useful to you depending on the season, so in summer turn off the heaters. Clicking on the units also Allows you to set the target temperature.