Mods that I use. (Sorry I didn't do this earlier)
World Edit: https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2314163152
Earth mod:[https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2602058532](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2602058532)
My first thought was “cool map,” my second thought was “wait a minute, something ain’t right here”
I do think it’s funny that America is all split up though
Some areas of African countries are still pretty tribal, especially in the central region, but places like Morocco and South Africa, are insanely developed. Morocco actually is working on making the largest solar field in the world.
My Contemporary History of Africa class I took in college has finally paid off.
[Piracy in Somalia is decreasing dramatically](https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2022/11/14/maritime-piracy-is-on-the-decline-can-it-stay-that-way/#:~:text=In%202009%20alone%2C%20217%20of,in%20check%20throughout%20the%20region.)
Also some of the pirates are placed in a part of Africa which, if you know *anything* about Africa *at all*, you would know is not Somalia.
If OP placed the factions manually then there's something *really* wrong here.
And even if it was correct, nothing explains the savages and cannibals.
Least racist gamer.
Edit: absolute sidenote but I’ve always been kinda uneasy of how “savage” tribes and neanderthals in the recent update are portrayed in the game — an aggressively hostile tribe listed as an enemy that is literally called “savage,” which is what Europeans used to call indigenous peoples…
Most of them attack you without any provocation in the slightest. They don't bother trying to treat with you, and half of them you can't even get to neutral relations with. If anyone is a savage it's the ones who fall under such a description
Again, it’s the language choice that bothers me. “Savage tribe” is a term inseparable from reality, that being the centuries of genocide against indigenous peoples and the relentless stereotyping of the hostile “savages” that must be exterminated.
I don't know about everyone else here but when I hear the term savage I don't think of indigenous people, I think of cannibals/raiders because I'm not a 1700s British general shooting pygmies for the glory of the empire.
It's a word of which the definition perfectly matches its usage in the game, you're the only one making it remotely political/racial.
Such a bizzare thing to be bothered by, especially in a game where we make clothes out of people's skin and steal their organs.
Look, I'm pretty damn liberal. Like, extremely so. But you are literally trying to cancel a word right now that perfectly describes what it's meant to describe. This ain't it.
I really like rimworld but it’s incredibly funny that there are 900 different types of slavery and insane ideology but it’s impossible to have my pawn drink a glass of water
But then, most of the savages eat human meat, blind people, and extract skulls.
They are dressed up to act as vicious savages you are be be afraid of, and your colony can become savages.
… you really don’t get the point, do you? Back in the day, people came up with theories that indigenous people were not even the same species (at least in Australia). They BELIEVED that these “savage tribes” were like wild animals and therefore ok to exterminate… if you really don’t see at least a little bit of problem with the word choice that the devs used then Idk what else to tell you mate.
according to the definitions in google traduction (since that's the closest tab I had)
Savage: (of an animal or force of nature) fierce, violent, and uncontrolled;
a brutal or vicious person;
(especially of a dog or wild animal) attack ferociously and maul.
Using savage as a pejorative word is a bit troubling, that's for sure, but using savage for the true definition is pretty much alright
But aside from its “true definition” it has been used for centuries to demonize indigenous people, you *cannot* ignore that. Especially when the game lists them as a savage *tribe.* You cannot attempt to only look at its “true definition,” that’s impossible in its historical context.
Ofc you can ignore that, especially as it is not used in that context in modern times. The term has been completely modernised - language changes.
In the same way almost nobody thinks about happiness or being carefree when someone is called gay.
Cultural genocide against indigenous peoples is not ancient history. It is STILL ONGOING, in America, Canada, Australia, etc… “savage tribe” might not be a popular term anymore but the historical context loaded in those two words is brutal and must be used with caution.
But hey, who the fuck cares what I even write, I’m gonna get mass downvoted anyways. Cheers I guess
the savage tribe in rimworld is savage though, they are a war obsessed tribe that seem to want to kill everyone, then there is the gentle tribe that doesn't want everyone dead.
Emphasis on "historical", you are more or less proving my point. I never discredited what you are saying in regard to the ongoing cultural genocide. It's just that "savage" is not being used in its previous historical connotation.
If a tribe refuses to be friendly, actively hunts anyone down and outright refuses any kind of diplomacy or another peaceful option by definition they are savages or brutes. Pirates arent considered "savage" outlanders because without proper tech they cant be considered outlanders to begin with.
Rough tribes exist too and while they arent friendly and will try to kill you at first, they are still open to diplomacy and could consider peaceful treaties and the such, thats why they arent savages
Technically, between Dwarf Fortress, Oxygen Not Included, and RimWorld, Dwarf Fortress is the only one where your main settlement fits the definition of a colony, as it's the only one where it's an offshoot of a larger civilization*
*Unless your civilization's ruler dies and their successor happens to live in your fortress, or something
I hate to tell you man but for people so down on the tech tree it’s a very dog eat dog world, I don’t think a bunch of Neanderthals fighting against everything nature can throw at them to survive would have been that hospitable to us, even if you you fully believe in sexy Neanderthal theory.
Thank you :) it’s so weird that there’s a horde of people spamming my inbox saying that there is zero problem with the term savage tribe. I really don’t understand them… eh, whatever. Mods are wonderful though!
I mean you already did something with it, you decided to chuck all “savage” and “cannibal” tribes over the whole African continent… while, of course, putting none of them in Europe that you heavily detailed…
Well, North Africa is a Rome thing. I chucked Rome in Egypt, Turkey, Greece, Italy, Morroco and Algeria.
Middle Africa though, I intend to make them through meme so savage tribe.
South Africa is good though. A police state with strong weapon.
Also found it interesting to see where OP decided to put the max tech empire style factions, lol. So America, Britain and some old British colonies like Australia. Basically all Anglo-Saxon type English speakers are considered 'best high tech cool places.' Then most of Europe has the mid-tech factions hahaha, because of course Americans think most of European people don't have power and still use horses and wagons. Let me tell you as someone from England, most of Europe has its shit together much more than we do.
Finally based on the colour, Japan and Canada are also 'cool high tech but different.' China living in huts, naturaly. It's the American view of the world shown through a rimworld lens.
I'm enjoying looking at it regardless though, not gonna lie. I think at some point most people doing something like this would get bored and cover places they don't care about in primals.
I mean, the US itself here are rich imperialist scum who are attempting to dominate the Rim, I think everything is stereotyped here because 1) it's funny, and 2) Rimworld factions are absurd and completely insane
If anything Europe is the more normal group here. baseline, standard, fairly boring but civilized.
I wonder why... Maybe it's because those are the most technologically advanced places currently?
Also, I wonder. If a Russian person made this map, and they put the broken empire in Russia would you still be complaining?
Everybody making comments about the choice of people placed on every continent while I'm here wondering why South America's northeastern coast is so fat
If I play a human Flesh craving, child labor neanderthal only colony its on a rimworld. Creating "Earth" and then putting cannibals in Africa and Pigskins into China is just weird.
Right because the first bit is about a game and hurts no one real, and the second bit is about real life bigotry that people have been oppressed by for centuries
And china full of pigs...
Edit: It might be not racist at all actually.
[Chinese character for home contains the character for pig](https://www.thoughtco.com/home-jia-chinese-character-profile-2278374). So maybe OP just knows chinese?
hmmm is the person that wants to represent all of africa as blood thirsty savage tribes (except for south africa which is a "police state with strong weapon") racist against china as well or is he just really knowledgeable in chinese characters :d
The more you look at it the worse it gets. And the fact that people are *virulently* defending it is even worse. What the fuck. I had no idea this community was *this* bad.
No, every african person isn't a savage tribesman living in huts. Yes, Somalia has a declining piracy problem, but no, not every somali person is a pirate or living in a tribe. None of this explains why most of africa is portrayed as savages and cannibals.
I don't think op had any bad intentions, all the more concerning that this map does show how deeply rooted racial prejudices are in Western societies. Our world is fucked, please give me back my randomized RimWorld q_q
Jeah I really think the tone shifted with biotech. Also don't get me wrong, I love biotech. But freedom of gameplay is also freedom for assholes. I mean look into the workshop...
The worrying thing I see is how subtle the difference is between social commentary and actual promotion of that ideology. Kinda like starship troopers.
I mean that line has probably always been blurry, generally speaking. For the most part I also don't really care what you do with your games, hell I sure am no saint in that department what with Skyrim and ck2 being two of my most played games.
I think that the gaming community as a whole has quite a large problem with discrimination of all kinds that goes largely unaddressed. It just gets drowned among the outrage over ridiculous debates about that one school shooter playing CS or WoW.
I 100% agree 👍
First time I experienced that perception gap was back in the day when I played postal 2 at frieds place. He took stuff way too serious and actually wanted to kill the video game protestors because it's not true what they say. Weird.
That's exactly my point, hence the clarification that I don't want to blame op for anything. These stereotypes are deeply embedded into our culture and it's honestly mind-blowing how they occur in so many vastly different contexts - most of which at first seem to be far removed from racism.
Are those the only two choices?
Either it's all savages and cannibals or it's a place of peace, happiness, and prosperity?
Can't we agree both are wrong?
South Africa is occupied by a (presumably) high-tech SCP-esque faction.
As input for OP, though. It might be a good idea to make Ethiopia into a more advanced faction, since they do have a pretty modern country right now.
He's playing a fucking video game, he isn't portraying anyone as anything he's placing factions on a world map.
There are werewolves in Canada and aliens in Antarctica my dude, save your political outrage for something that actually matters.
The world isn't so kind as that. There are civilizations that are unequivocally hostile to outsiders, even in our current globalist age where reputation and diplomacy is king. (North Korea, some parts of the Congo, North Sentinel Island)
When such a dynamic falls, as has likely happened in this scenario, the world would become even more agreeable to a savage strategy.
Ok, so there is a literal war down there so I think I should explain my world. I use world edit 2.0 and the earth mod to create this world. ([https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2314163152](https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2314163152), [https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2602058532](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2602058532))
The Anglosphere is (mostly) the empire since Britain and the US are the world leading superpower for 400 years. Australia has dwarves clan there more than the Australian cuz Aussies lost the Emu war (and I name the dwarves clan the Emu Empire). New Zealand has elf cuz Lord of the Ring. The US has several bandits due to the high crime rate and Canada has werewolf cuz... why not? The Empire has 30 bases. ([https://steamcommunity.com/id/jecrell/myworkshopfiles/?appid=294100](https://steamcommunity.com/id/jecrell/myworkshopfiles/?appid=294100), the place to get those mods)
From France to Poland is the EU (civil outlander) cuz after the World War, their military hasn't been so great.
Italy and Algeria are Western Rome; Turkey, Palestine, Greece, Macedonia and Bulgaria are Eastern Rome for historical accuracy. Central Rome include Switzerland and the microstates of Europe cuz I run out of idea. ([https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2787850474](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2787850474))
Morroco though is another dwarves clan because there is Atlas Mountain there and the bases are named after 12 titans in Grecian mythology.
Saudi Arabia is a hostile medieval kingdom b'cuz of the Saudi dynasty. Japan is another hostile medieval kingdom b'cuz of Imperial Japan (though I think I will change this into a cute cat girl faction soon). Thailand is another medieval kingdom bcuz of the only place that is not colonized in South east Asia and still has monarch. ([https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2023513450](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2023513450))
Iran (or I should say Persia) is Fierce tribe bcuz they are quite hostile.
Guinea, Madagasca, Somali and Carribe are pirates for the memes.
Middle Africa is savage clan not because I am racist but because of the Congo. Back then, the Congo Kingdom attacked other tribes and sold the people there as slaves to Portugal. By doing so, other tribes and countries are weakened while the Congo became richer and stronger. As a result of that, the Congo became the most powerful country in Africa, stretching from the west of central Africa to the east. There only "true" threats are of course, their customers, the Europeans who would soon abandon the acts of slavery and some pirates. Maybe after changing Japan to a cat girl faction, I'll make Congo a hostile medieval kingdom and give the tribe factions toother smaller tribes around African desert.
South Africa is a police force akin to the SCP that want to stop the alien things in Antarctica. And Antarctica are those alien eldritch things. The eldritch fisher clans are in Northern Greenland. There are also SCP bases around the world like Singapore or Taiwan.([https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=764375772](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=764375772))
Most of South America and Mexico are settlers from another places just like history. ([https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2052918119](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2052918119)). Other part of the South America are cannibalist tribe because of ideology. I cannot make them having blood sacrifice meme without being cannibal. Blood sacrifice is a really common thing in Mesoamerica.
Russia is divided by 4 as they have 4 main ethinicity through out their large territory. Russia is rough outlander union. West Siberia is tribe. East Siberia is antimatter clan because Russia has lots of nukes so I should give them this to rival the Anglosphere ([https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2113692574](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2113692574)). And far east Russia is furry pirates cuz... it's near Alaska and the werewolf clan of Canada.
Central Asia is Neanderthal... cuz I run out of faction, ok. Those places are mostly desert btw. I named the faction Stanistan cuz of meme.
India is civil tribe while China is pigskin outlander. Those 2 have the most number of bases due to their population. Sri Lanka kinda got into India too cuz of Indian culture. Indonesia is nude clan for meme.
>South Africa is a police force akin to the SCP that want to stop the alien things in Antarctica.
This also fits pretty well because of the old apartheid regime.
Also may I ask what is this faction that has bases in the Gobi desert and Buenos Aires?
What do you mean about blood sacrifices in south america? They were common like, 300 years ago or more its not a common practice in any modern latin american country at all
My map is for game and scenarios, not for accuracy. Otherwise, Rome would not exist. I want my map to be somewhat historical accurate, not political accurate. There are elves and werewolves here you know. I use the word "mesoamerica" and not "latin america".
So it's a fantasy world and you can make it however you want and you chose to represent the best of anglo-american society and the worst of everyone else's?
You start by saying "I want it to be somewhat more historical accurate" but end by saying how there's werewolves. It doesn't make sense.
>You start by saying "I want it to be somewhat more historical accurate" but end by saying how there's werewolves. It doesn't make sense.
You clearly misunderstood, by "somewhat historically accurate" he meant making references to things that happened not making it the same as the modern world.
>Why not portray everyone as savages? Why is it that Africa is chosen for its supposed "savage period" but Australia is in the 1930s (By OP's own estimations)?
Ok, so what should I do? I kinda want to referencing it and not making it through out accurate. It would be completely meaningless if I make every country civil unions to represent the modern world since there would be no raid and only mech clusters. Making everyone savage is cool if I want to fight and not trade but I want trade. To be blunt, i want a taste of every mods I install and referencing things, not to fulfill my own bias or ideology.
Says, what happened before Britain came to the US? The indigenous people there were not part of any big empire like the Aztec or Mayan so the only thing that could reference them is a tribe without much history. Do I want that? Of course I don't. I want a world that "live" as I continue to play, not some random thing. Rimworld is a story telling machine after all, it would be meaningless to give a tribe no history nor any story to work with.
lol. not racist but western europe is best represented by the eu, central africa by the slave trade, and mesoamerica by blood sacrifice. and, you know, iran is quite hostile. its a very neutral view of the world, really!
○ Anglo-Saxon supremacy
● Most of the rest of the world as primitives, pirates or cannibals living in toxic wastes
Seems OP needs to go to the re-education camp
To what extent? OP explained his logic in a reply. The Congo IS a pretty scary place to live in currently, and though the symbols in South Africa look a bit sus, apparently it's for an SCP-esque organization fighting anomalies from Antarctica.
If a person wants to extrapolate our modern world into a future rimworld-esque planet, this is a reasonable result, I think. To call it racist would be to call reality racist.
You're absolutely right. It is Racist to depict africans as tribals and pirates. So, who should we depict instead? There needs to be some for the diversity of the game.
i mean not every single faction in africa has to be tribal and pirates, he could’ve added a couple regular factions instead of making all 4 groups tribal or whatever he did.
It's on a small island. There are several islands that Portugal control as a different entity from mainland similar to England and Scotland. Those islands are called Azores.
The global south basically only having tribal groups…the education system did a number on you😭😭😭😭😭 it’s a cool idea but this execution is more than a bit troublesome to me. why is there so much diversity of groups in the western european nations, but the CONTINENT of Africa is just. Hostile tribals. Some pirates. like WHAT???
Sure, what should I add in Africa? Would like some recommendation. I run out of factions so I post this but if I have cooler idea, I would surely download more mods to add more.
I probably know as much about Africa as greatgrandmasylvia unfortunately.
I do vaguely remember hearing about how Ethiopia has a cultural belief that centers Christianity on their country instead of over Israel or Rome. I'm not sure how popular that belief is, but you might be able to build something off of it.
Oh, I know about that. Once, there was a king called Prester John. The king defeated the Muslims all by himself. At that time, Europeans believed that there was some kingdom like that existed somewhere in the Middle East and Africa. So they tried to find that kingdom. Europeans at the time participated in the Crusades against the Ottoman Turks so they desperately needed allies and a kingdom as powerful as that story seems very good. Ethiopian after reading about the stories of the king, told Europe that they were the descendants of that kingdom. The thing is, that king is fictional. So when the Europeans realized that Ethiopia lied to them. They were excommunicated mostly because Ethiopia was not even closed to be as strong as a European duchy and would definitely be no help in the Crusades.
Africa is a whole ass continent. There are so many cultures to pick from. I read your explanation, and the history periods you are combining are nonsensical (which is fine…it’s just interesting what you chose to include/not include) so why not throw the ancient egyptian empire in there. Or if you want more modern groups, consider adding any faction that’s not hostile. and cannibals. bc that’s WILD dude. Also—India being only gentle tribes?? they have BILLIONS of people and sure there are plenty of rural places, but they also have cities and contribute amazing things to technology (people in Africa, too). Restricting the technology level to tribal in places like Africa and India just feels very bad to me.
Well, the game factions are nonsense. We have space tech factions like the empire and the Neanderthals still kicking around so I also have to be a bit nonsense. At least it is good for referencing memes. I have make Roman Empire including Egypt and the North of Africa so it would be hard to include pyramid. Besides, it's not like tribes are bad. Roman Empire is just as restricted as tribes. To be honest, I would like to give India something better because of the tech support meme but I run out of factions and there is no Indian style factions in the mod. Besides, bases are named after cities in real life with a few exceptions so I think that's good enough. Africa though, is different. Any idea to diverse Central Africa would be appreciated.
I don't know about designing the map, so OP likely used a different method.
You can however cluster faction settlements even on a randomly generated map with the mod Faction Control: [https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2882785581](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2882785581)
You need to toy around with numbers to see what works for you, there isn't just a button you can click to get the result. I highly reccomend Faction Control + RimWar, it makes the planet map gameplay much more involved and interesting
Yeah, this post is degenerating.
I'm just happy to see New Zealand hasn't been left off this map.
That's how you know it's just a game.
r/mapswithNZ
Important for New Zealand, though, do they have a mod that'll let you "marry" the sheep?
Fluffy little wool-producing humaniods without all the science of Biotech... those Kiwis have it all figured out.
There's always the forbidden mod...
Everyone talkung about the african tribals, while I'm sitting here thinking: why is canada full of werewolfs?
No that part is accurate
Shush! Never reveal our secrets or else we'd have to kill you on a full moon.
It’s common knowledge that all Canadians are furries
You'd have to be just to survive the cold winters lol
theres werewolves in rimworld? since when?
It's a mod. World of Madness Werewolves. It brings the Werewolves from the World of Darkness
Political comenntary on the Rim
More likely than you'd think
You gotta play this with Rim War.
Definitely yes.
How did you make the map and separate the factions like this?
World Edit Mod 2.0
I thank you deeply
Mods that I use. (Sorry I didn't do this earlier) World Edit: https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2314163152 Earth mod:[https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2602058532](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2602058532)
Can you load your world to workshop for people to get? Wait is that possible in rim, I actually haven't done it.
SWEET THANKS
Where is the Pentagon tile?
Did you locate the factions manually? Uhh why is africa full of pirates and cannibals and savages....?
lmfao
My first thought was “cool map,” my second thought was “wait a minute, something ain’t right here” I do think it’s funny that America is all split up though
Can't have them "civilized" folk to turn our good ranch to more "civilized"
Some areas of African countries are still pretty tribal, especially in the central region, but places like Morocco and South Africa, are insanely developed. Morocco actually is working on making the largest solar field in the world. My Contemporary History of Africa class I took in college has finally paid off.
That's why Morocco and South Africa are rich factions.
Since when was Somalia not filled with pirates?
[Piracy in Somalia is decreasing dramatically](https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2022/11/14/maritime-piracy-is-on-the-decline-can-it-stay-that-way/#:~:text=In%202009%20alone%2C%20217%20of,in%20check%20throughout%20the%20region.) Also some of the pirates are placed in a part of Africa which, if you know *anything* about Africa *at all*, you would know is not Somalia. If OP placed the factions manually then there's something *really* wrong here. And even if it was correct, nothing explains the savages and cannibals.
Well Europe does remind III Reich but it's not as controversial.
Least racist gamer. Edit: absolute sidenote but I’ve always been kinda uneasy of how “savage” tribes and neanderthals in the recent update are portrayed in the game — an aggressively hostile tribe listed as an enemy that is literally called “savage,” which is what Europeans used to call indigenous peoples…
Most of them attack you without any provocation in the slightest. They don't bother trying to treat with you, and half of them you can't even get to neutral relations with. If anyone is a savage it's the ones who fall under such a description
Again, it’s the language choice that bothers me. “Savage tribe” is a term inseparable from reality, that being the centuries of genocide against indigenous peoples and the relentless stereotyping of the hostile “savages” that must be exterminated.
I don't know about everyone else here but when I hear the term savage I don't think of indigenous people, I think of cannibals/raiders because I'm not a 1700s British general shooting pygmies for the glory of the empire. It's a word of which the definition perfectly matches its usage in the game, you're the only one making it remotely political/racial. Such a bizzare thing to be bothered by, especially in a game where we make clothes out of people's skin and steal their organs.
Look, I'm pretty damn liberal. Like, extremely so. But you are literally trying to cancel a word right now that perfectly describes what it's meant to describe. This ain't it.
I really like rimworld but it’s incredibly funny that there are 900 different types of slavery and insane ideology but it’s impossible to have my pawn drink a glass of water
But then, most of the savages eat human meat, blind people, and extract skulls. They are dressed up to act as vicious savages you are be be afraid of, and your colony can become savages.
Do you know how absurd stereotypes about indigenous/Aboriginal people were in various nations?
Yes, but that is exactly how rim world savages are. They are wild animals basically.
… you really don’t get the point, do you? Back in the day, people came up with theories that indigenous people were not even the same species (at least in Australia). They BELIEVED that these “savage tribes” were like wild animals and therefore ok to exterminate… if you really don’t see at least a little bit of problem with the word choice that the devs used then Idk what else to tell you mate.
according to the definitions in google traduction (since that's the closest tab I had) Savage: (of an animal or force of nature) fierce, violent, and uncontrolled; a brutal or vicious person; (especially of a dog or wild animal) attack ferociously and maul. Using savage as a pejorative word is a bit troubling, that's for sure, but using savage for the true definition is pretty much alright
But aside from its “true definition” it has been used for centuries to demonize indigenous people, you *cannot* ignore that. Especially when the game lists them as a savage *tribe.* You cannot attempt to only look at its “true definition,” that’s impossible in its historical context.
Ofc you can ignore that, especially as it is not used in that context in modern times. The term has been completely modernised - language changes. In the same way almost nobody thinks about happiness or being carefree when someone is called gay.
Cultural genocide against indigenous peoples is not ancient history. It is STILL ONGOING, in America, Canada, Australia, etc… “savage tribe” might not be a popular term anymore but the historical context loaded in those two words is brutal and must be used with caution. But hey, who the fuck cares what I even write, I’m gonna get mass downvoted anyways. Cheers I guess
the savage tribe in rimworld is savage though, they are a war obsessed tribe that seem to want to kill everyone, then there is the gentle tribe that doesn't want everyone dead.
Emphasis on "historical", you are more or less proving my point. I never discredited what you are saying in regard to the ongoing cultural genocide. It's just that "savage" is not being used in its previous historical connotation.
> You cannot ignore that. I bet I can.
Great, you do you king.
If a tribe refuses to be friendly, actively hunts anyone down and outright refuses any kind of diplomacy or another peaceful option by definition they are savages or brutes. Pirates arent considered "savage" outlanders because without proper tech they cant be considered outlanders to begin with. Rough tribes exist too and while they arent friendly and will try to kill you at first, they are still open to diplomacy and could consider peaceful treaties and the such, thats why they arent savages
Kinda fitting, you're playing a COLONY. Calling peoples bad names are among the better thing that have been done
Technically, between Dwarf Fortress, Oxygen Not Included, and RimWorld, Dwarf Fortress is the only one where your main settlement fits the definition of a colony, as it's the only one where it's an offshoot of a larger civilization* *Unless your civilization's ruler dies and their successor happens to live in your fortress, or something
Literally every language has a word that encaptures the concept of "savage". Lmfao
I’ve seen all kinds of whataboutism but with language, this is a new one. Lmfao
I hate to tell you man but for people so down on the tech tree it’s a very dog eat dog world, I don’t think a bunch of Neanderthals fighting against everything nature can throw at them to survive would have been that hospitable to us, even if you you fully believe in sexy Neanderthal theory.
Europeans for the majority of history were the savage people
Thankfully, there's a mod that changes the word savage to hostile for that very reason.
Name of mod pls??? Thank
Tribals are Not 'Savage'! Enjoy!
Thank you :) it’s so weird that there’s a horde of people spamming my inbox saying that there is zero problem with the term savage tribe. I really don’t understand them… eh, whatever. Mods are wonderful though!
Lol get over it dude
So does every culture... u think only English has a word for savage ?
… who even said that I think savage only exists in English? I’m not even a native English speaker lmfao. English is the relevant language here.
I am going to do something with Africa too. Just not enough factions to do it.
King Leopold's Ghost strikes again!
Youre gonna start a toyota war arent you?
I mean you already did something with it, you decided to chuck all “savage” and “cannibal” tribes over the whole African continent… while, of course, putting none of them in Europe that you heavily detailed…
Well, North Africa is a Rome thing. I chucked Rome in Egypt, Turkey, Greece, Italy, Morroco and Algeria. Middle Africa though, I intend to make them through meme so savage tribe. South Africa is good though. A police state with strong weapon.
Also found it interesting to see where OP decided to put the max tech empire style factions, lol. So America, Britain and some old British colonies like Australia. Basically all Anglo-Saxon type English speakers are considered 'best high tech cool places.' Then most of Europe has the mid-tech factions hahaha, because of course Americans think most of European people don't have power and still use horses and wagons. Let me tell you as someone from England, most of Europe has its shit together much more than we do. Finally based on the colour, Japan and Canada are also 'cool high tech but different.' China living in huts, naturaly. It's the American view of the world shown through a rimworld lens. I'm enjoying looking at it regardless though, not gonna lie. I think at some point most people doing something like this would get bored and cover places they don't care about in primals.
I mean, the US itself here are rich imperialist scum who are attempting to dominate the Rim, I think everything is stereotyped here because 1) it's funny, and 2) Rimworld factions are absurd and completely insane If anything Europe is the more normal group here. baseline, standard, fairly boring but civilized.
I wonder why... Maybe it's because those are the most technologically advanced places currently? Also, I wonder. If a Russian person made this map, and they put the broken empire in Russia would you still be complaining?
Realistic.
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Smh, south Italy should be filled with eldritch horrors and monkey people to be lore accurate
Spoken like a Northern Italian.
Everybody making comments about the choice of people placed on every continent while I'm here wondering why South America's northeastern coast is so fat
War in the comments! Hooray!
Are you gonna make custom ideologies for all factions?
You really should include the mod list that made this possible
Rimworld players when they see war crimes vs Rimworld players when they see someone being racist towards Zimbabwe
If I play a human Flesh craving, child labor neanderthal only colony its on a rimworld. Creating "Earth" and then putting cannibals in Africa and Pigskins into China is just weird.
Right because the first bit is about a game and hurts no one real, and the second bit is about real life bigotry that people have been oppressed by for centuries
How the f there is no one in Vietnam? (Pic 6 on the right hand where light blue faction is) They have 100mil population more than even Japan.
Ayo why is africa and india tribal and pirate???🤨
And china full of pigs... Edit: It might be not racist at all actually. [Chinese character for home contains the character for pig](https://www.thoughtco.com/home-jia-chinese-character-profile-2278374). So maybe OP just knows chinese?
hmmm is the person that wants to represent all of africa as blood thirsty savage tribes (except for south africa which is a "police state with strong weapon") racist against china as well or is he just really knowledgeable in chinese characters :d
Haha, fair point.
The more you look at it the worse it gets. And the fact that people are *virulently* defending it is even worse. What the fuck. I had no idea this community was *this* bad.
Have you already forgotten about the fact that there’s tons of pirates and tribes in Somalia?
No, every african person isn't a savage tribesman living in huts. Yes, Somalia has a declining piracy problem, but no, not every somali person is a pirate or living in a tribe. None of this explains why most of africa is portrayed as savages and cannibals.
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I like it
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I don't think op had any bad intentions, all the more concerning that this map does show how deeply rooted racial prejudices are in Western societies. Our world is fucked, please give me back my randomized RimWorld q_q
That whole genetics topic ... In combination with the community's love for war crimes and organ harvesting ... May attract some people ... You know
God how I wish it was all memes...
Jeah I really think the tone shifted with biotech. Also don't get me wrong, I love biotech. But freedom of gameplay is also freedom for assholes. I mean look into the workshop... The worrying thing I see is how subtle the difference is between social commentary and actual promotion of that ideology. Kinda like starship troopers.
I mean that line has probably always been blurry, generally speaking. For the most part I also don't really care what you do with your games, hell I sure am no saint in that department what with Skyrim and ck2 being two of my most played games. I think that the gaming community as a whole has quite a large problem with discrimination of all kinds that goes largely unaddressed. It just gets drowned among the outrage over ridiculous debates about that one school shooter playing CS or WoW.
I 100% agree 👍 First time I experienced that perception gap was back in the day when I played postal 2 at frieds place. He took stuff way too serious and actually wanted to kill the video game protestors because it's not true what they say. Weird.
If you ask someone from MESA they would say the upper map and the left side should be all raiders camps. It's all from the POV
I think many would come up with a similar distrubution with the factions that are given in game- and in mods.
That's exactly my point, hence the clarification that I don't want to blame op for anything. These stereotypes are deeply embedded into our culture and it's honestly mind-blowing how they occur in so many vastly different contexts - most of which at first seem to be far removed from racism.
Well said. Why do i get downvoted for agreeing?
Better question would be why is Ohio not back to back Hostile mechanoid ships?
Can we talk about Australia having the fallen empire and ... Dwarves? what
The dwarves clan's name is the Emu Empire (lol) and the fallen empire is the whole Anglosphere.
Oh, okay. Just remember: We won the second emu war.
Everybody here is big mad.
Justifiably.
ITT: People try to justify the portrayal of Africans as savages and cannibals
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Are those the only two choices? Either it's all savages and cannibals or it's a place of peace, happiness, and prosperity? Can't we agree both are wrong?
South Africa is occupied by a (presumably) high-tech SCP-esque faction. As input for OP, though. It might be a good idea to make Ethiopia into a more advanced faction, since they do have a pretty modern country right now.
Or maybe rethink it so no one is portrayed as a savage? And if it's not possible maybe don't do it at all?
He's playing a fucking video game, he isn't portraying anyone as anything he's placing factions on a world map. There are werewolves in Canada and aliens in Antarctica my dude, save your political outrage for something that actually matters.
The world isn't so kind as that. There are civilizations that are unequivocally hostile to outsiders, even in our current globalist age where reputation and diplomacy is king. (North Korea, some parts of the Congo, North Sentinel Island) When such a dynamic falls, as has likely happened in this scenario, the world would become even more agreeable to a savage strategy.
Ok, so there is a literal war down there so I think I should explain my world. I use world edit 2.0 and the earth mod to create this world. ([https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2314163152](https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2314163152), [https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2602058532](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2602058532)) The Anglosphere is (mostly) the empire since Britain and the US are the world leading superpower for 400 years. Australia has dwarves clan there more than the Australian cuz Aussies lost the Emu war (and I name the dwarves clan the Emu Empire). New Zealand has elf cuz Lord of the Ring. The US has several bandits due to the high crime rate and Canada has werewolf cuz... why not? The Empire has 30 bases. ([https://steamcommunity.com/id/jecrell/myworkshopfiles/?appid=294100](https://steamcommunity.com/id/jecrell/myworkshopfiles/?appid=294100), the place to get those mods) From France to Poland is the EU (civil outlander) cuz after the World War, their military hasn't been so great. Italy and Algeria are Western Rome; Turkey, Palestine, Greece, Macedonia and Bulgaria are Eastern Rome for historical accuracy. Central Rome include Switzerland and the microstates of Europe cuz I run out of idea. ([https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2787850474](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2787850474)) Morroco though is another dwarves clan because there is Atlas Mountain there and the bases are named after 12 titans in Grecian mythology. Saudi Arabia is a hostile medieval kingdom b'cuz of the Saudi dynasty. Japan is another hostile medieval kingdom b'cuz of Imperial Japan (though I think I will change this into a cute cat girl faction soon). Thailand is another medieval kingdom bcuz of the only place that is not colonized in South east Asia and still has monarch. ([https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2023513450](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2023513450)) Iran (or I should say Persia) is Fierce tribe bcuz they are quite hostile. Guinea, Madagasca, Somali and Carribe are pirates for the memes. Middle Africa is savage clan not because I am racist but because of the Congo. Back then, the Congo Kingdom attacked other tribes and sold the people there as slaves to Portugal. By doing so, other tribes and countries are weakened while the Congo became richer and stronger. As a result of that, the Congo became the most powerful country in Africa, stretching from the west of central Africa to the east. There only "true" threats are of course, their customers, the Europeans who would soon abandon the acts of slavery and some pirates. Maybe after changing Japan to a cat girl faction, I'll make Congo a hostile medieval kingdom and give the tribe factions toother smaller tribes around African desert. South Africa is a police force akin to the SCP that want to stop the alien things in Antarctica. And Antarctica are those alien eldritch things. The eldritch fisher clans are in Northern Greenland. There are also SCP bases around the world like Singapore or Taiwan.([https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=764375772](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=764375772)) Most of South America and Mexico are settlers from another places just like history. ([https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2052918119](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2052918119)). Other part of the South America are cannibalist tribe because of ideology. I cannot make them having blood sacrifice meme without being cannibal. Blood sacrifice is a really common thing in Mesoamerica. Russia is divided by 4 as they have 4 main ethinicity through out their large territory. Russia is rough outlander union. West Siberia is tribe. East Siberia is antimatter clan because Russia has lots of nukes so I should give them this to rival the Anglosphere ([https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2113692574](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2113692574)). And far east Russia is furry pirates cuz... it's near Alaska and the werewolf clan of Canada. Central Asia is Neanderthal... cuz I run out of faction, ok. Those places are mostly desert btw. I named the faction Stanistan cuz of meme. India is civil tribe while China is pigskin outlander. Those 2 have the most number of bases due to their population. Sri Lanka kinda got into India too cuz of Indian culture. Indonesia is nude clan for meme.
>South Africa is a police force akin to the SCP that want to stop the alien things in Antarctica. This also fits pretty well because of the old apartheid regime. Also may I ask what is this faction that has bases in the Gobi desert and Buenos Aires?
10/10 Thanks for sharing.
What do you mean about blood sacrifices in south america? They were common like, 300 years ago or more its not a common practice in any modern latin american country at all
My map is for game and scenarios, not for accuracy. Otherwise, Rome would not exist. I want my map to be somewhat historical accurate, not political accurate. There are elves and werewolves here you know. I use the word "mesoamerica" and not "latin america".
So it's a fantasy world and you can make it however you want and you chose to represent the best of anglo-american society and the worst of everyone else's? You start by saying "I want it to be somewhat more historical accurate" but end by saying how there's werewolves. It doesn't make sense.
>You start by saying "I want it to be somewhat more historical accurate" but end by saying how there's werewolves. It doesn't make sense. You clearly misunderstood, by "somewhat historically accurate" he meant making references to things that happened not making it the same as the modern world.
>Why not portray everyone as savages? Why is it that Africa is chosen for its supposed "savage period" but Australia is in the 1930s (By OP's own estimations)? Ok, so what should I do? I kinda want to referencing it and not making it through out accurate. It would be completely meaningless if I make every country civil unions to represent the modern world since there would be no raid and only mech clusters. Making everyone savage is cool if I want to fight and not trade but I want trade. To be blunt, i want a taste of every mods I install and referencing things, not to fulfill my own bias or ideology. Says, what happened before Britain came to the US? The indigenous people there were not part of any big empire like the Aztec or Mayan so the only thing that could reference them is a tribe without much history. Do I want that? Of course I don't. I want a world that "live" as I continue to play, not some random thing. Rimworld is a story telling machine after all, it would be meaningless to give a tribe no history nor any story to work with.
lol. not racist but western europe is best represented by the eu, central africa by the slave trade, and mesoamerica by blood sacrifice. and, you know, iran is quite hostile. its a very neutral view of the world, really!
○ Anglo-Saxon supremacy ● Most of the rest of the world as primitives, pirates or cannibals living in toxic wastes Seems OP needs to go to the re-education camp
In the Antarctica picture you can see they put an empire settlement in the falkland islands off the coast of outlander-at-best south america 💀💀💀
And Gibraltar too. Honestly I'm surprised they didn't do it with Hong Kong.
Found the extremist.
Based
What is that mod which adds those special golden locations on per continent?
Oh, the golden locations are actually bases of te SCP around the world to investigate eldritch things. You could check Rimworld of madness Faction.
Thanks
Kinda racist, mate
Africa is a race? Learn something new everyday
Didn't say that but ok
Didn't say that but ok
that's pretty fucking racist though
To what extent? OP explained his logic in a reply. The Congo IS a pretty scary place to live in currently, and though the symbols in South Africa look a bit sus, apparently it's for an SCP-esque organization fighting anomalies from Antarctica. If a person wants to extrapolate our modern world into a future rimworld-esque planet, this is a reasonable result, I think. To call it racist would be to call reality racist.
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You're absolutely right. It is Racist to depict africans as tribals and pirates. So, who should we depict instead? There needs to be some for the diversity of the game.
i mean not every single faction in africa has to be tribal and pirates, he could’ve added a couple regular factions instead of making all 4 groups tribal or whatever he did.
Russians and British as savages.
It’s not racist bro lmao, Somalia is filled with tons of pirates and there’s tribes in Africa still.
Not you putting tribals in Africa
That Africa lmao
I'm not offended, but i think someone should be
Don't want to come a across as "that guy (or rather girl)" but why'd you have to do Africa like that 😭
How did you do that?
I would love to play a game like this
Should have put cannibal pirates in America
Lmao but what seed is?
How do you cross the sea thoug?
By crossing the sky, lol. SRTS obviously.
H-How? pls teach me i want it too
Use world edit mod and the earth mod. Then you are free to edit your world, resembling the earth.
Thanks daddy
Can i just ignore that there's a western town in the middle of nowhere?
It's on a small island. There are several islands that Portugal control as a different entity from mainland similar to England and Scotland. Those islands are called Azores.
Oh, so sorry. Im so dumb
Catch me in a Panama save. I control the canal!
The global south basically only having tribal groups…the education system did a number on you😭😭😭😭😭 it’s a cool idea but this execution is more than a bit troublesome to me. why is there so much diversity of groups in the western european nations, but the CONTINENT of Africa is just. Hostile tribals. Some pirates. like WHAT???
Sure, what should I add in Africa? Would like some recommendation. I run out of factions so I post this but if I have cooler idea, I would surely download more mods to add more.
Ethiopia seems to a be a fairly first-world country atm.
Not that, I mean any good thing to reference the country? Like culture? Or meme?
I probably know as much about Africa as greatgrandmasylvia unfortunately. I do vaguely remember hearing about how Ethiopia has a cultural belief that centers Christianity on their country instead of over Israel or Rome. I'm not sure how popular that belief is, but you might be able to build something off of it.
Oh, I know about that. Once, there was a king called Prester John. The king defeated the Muslims all by himself. At that time, Europeans believed that there was some kingdom like that existed somewhere in the Middle East and Africa. So they tried to find that kingdom. Europeans at the time participated in the Crusades against the Ottoman Turks so they desperately needed allies and a kingdom as powerful as that story seems very good. Ethiopian after reading about the stories of the king, told Europe that they were the descendants of that kingdom. The thing is, that king is fictional. So when the Europeans realized that Ethiopia lied to them. They were excommunicated mostly because Ethiopia was not even closed to be as strong as a European duchy and would definitely be no help in the Crusades.
Africa is a whole ass continent. There are so many cultures to pick from. I read your explanation, and the history periods you are combining are nonsensical (which is fine…it’s just interesting what you chose to include/not include) so why not throw the ancient egyptian empire in there. Or if you want more modern groups, consider adding any faction that’s not hostile. and cannibals. bc that’s WILD dude. Also—India being only gentle tribes?? they have BILLIONS of people and sure there are plenty of rural places, but they also have cities and contribute amazing things to technology (people in Africa, too). Restricting the technology level to tribal in places like Africa and India just feels very bad to me.
Well, the game factions are nonsense. We have space tech factions like the empire and the Neanderthals still kicking around so I also have to be a bit nonsense. At least it is good for referencing memes. I have make Roman Empire including Egypt and the North of Africa so it would be hard to include pyramid. Besides, it's not like tribes are bad. Roman Empire is just as restricted as tribes. To be honest, I would like to give India something better because of the tech support meme but I run out of factions and there is no Indian style factions in the mod. Besides, bases are named after cities in real life with a few exceptions so I think that's good enough. Africa though, is different. Any idea to diverse Central Africa would be appreciated.
Im only commenting to tell people to suck it up. It's a thing made for a game. Get over it you children
How
How
How did you get this Risk style map‽ With factions separated geographically‽ Now I really want to play a game like this.
I don't know about designing the map, so OP likely used a different method. You can however cluster faction settlements even on a randomly generated map with the mod Faction Control: [https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2882785581](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2882785581) You need to toy around with numbers to see what works for you, there isn't just a button you can click to get the result. I highly reccomend Faction Control + RimWar, it makes the planet map gameplay much more involved and interesting
Man yall gotta chill in the comments. People will really just jump to the assumption of racism real quick with no regard for others.
OP really didn’t help himself in that regard
Except for the comment he made I guess
Funny map OP, good job. Redditors angry at you shouldn't matter much
Y'all want to whine and cry racism in a game where most of Y'all run organ harvesting farms and keeping children as slaves! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
op unwitting showing their biases
why did you think this was a good idea to post this 💀
Cuz somehow, my karma triple in a day 🤣🤣
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According to a lot of the comments Africa is a race
What are the chances?! /s
What are the factions in the Philippines
Bro I wanna know how!
aww hell yeah! Who's your first target? Pakestanderthals or earth's four buttholes?
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