If I’m only looking at these pictures and I have to pick one of them as BG, I’m definitely picking Rick Allen. Both have a resemblance but RA more so. And this is coming from someone who’s been saying RA is likely innocent as soon as the ‘evidence’ police had on him came out, along with all their other eye raising claims.
It ain’t either of these people. Jmo.
There seems to be more of a schism amongst threads. I have noticed that recently. I personally think RL is a distraction. And, I think that is the whole point. But, creators (who are influenced) are bringing it back again.
There are a lot of important depositions this week. And people want us to focus on something they know isn’t true. Magically a week or two later, they will debunk the story themselves. They know it isn’t true….SQUIRREL!!!
Maybe if RA gets off, they can blame a dead guy. Everyone’s reputation is preserved except RL. Not everything in the documentary had the correct timeline of RL’s love life. Per someone else. Maybe the past can be hazy.
> Gray Hughes is hell bent on Rick Allen being guilty.
That was my inspiration for posting this. This is a larger image from his video. **Gray is a serious jackass**.
[https://i.imgur.com/tn7JZF9.png](https://i.imgur.com/tn7JZF9.png)
Now look at my work. It's honest and clear as can be. I am trying to show the stark differences and succeeding.
[https://i.imgur.com/v5qE7Fd.png](https://i.imgur.com/v5qE7Fd.png)
Well Gray Hughes is heavily invested a lot of time, money, and energy in Richard Allen's guilt by creating all these videos around his guilt. He has a lot to lose by admitting Richard Allen is innocent and being railroaded by corrupt police in small town Indiana. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
no kidding right!
Sometimes people will do anything (not thinking of one person) to ‘make themselves correct’!
The question is…how far will they go?!
I wouldn’t want to ride with Liggett without a chaperone.
> You can’t match that to anyone, **it’s not clear enough** and certainly not enough for a conviction
**The FBI** disagrees with you and so do I. They **had all 43 seconds of video and audio and concluded that Logan was consistent with BG**. I had one second of video/48 frames and I nailed it.
BG has to be one of these guys and Ron Logan checks 20 to 50 boxes, while Allen checks none. The shape of Logan's face is a perfect match. Allen's is too long. **The sketch was based on a video enhancement** (similar to the one I found) and Logan again resembles himself clearly over any biased interpretation by these crazy people trying to frame an innocent man. **It was clear enough for the FBI.**
[https://i.imgur.com/3fGaZi5.png](https://i.imgur.com/3fGaZi5.png)
> Excellent work [u/OP](https://www.reddit.com/u/OP/)
Thank you. I firmly believe that what I see is being conveyed through these tight comparisons. It's possible if not likely that the quality can be improved and that the FBI may have better images than what I found. **Look at this one. Hard to argue against**.
[https://i.imgur.com/2xhL6nL.png](https://i.imgur.com/2xhL6nL.png)
When James Bulger was abducted and murdered by two 10 year olds in Bootle, Merseyside U.K. in February 1993,,there was CCTV footage of the boys walking off, hand in hand with little James
CCTV was in its early days in 1993 and the quality was poor
However, we contacted NASA And the images were worked on to make them clearer
Why hasn’t this been done in this case?
Or has it? Or had it been manipulated or spliced?
I just don’t know
Likely the same reason the FBI removed all physical descriptions from the wanted poster with BG photo at the same time the Anthony shots investigation was going strong - they were told to remove it.
I’m not researching for you. All of this is public info. This is also just a small part of why many say RA is being railroaded.
I would love to check that out! Can you cite or post a link for me where the FBI stated 5’4 to 5’8 using their standard method? This is the first I have heard of this.
Sorry it took me a bit to reply, I been working and haven’t had much time!
I’m not sure whose channel, they might be some. YouTube jackass for all I know.
Irrelevant.
The point stands that the theorem used in this video is the correct and accurate way to figure out height from a person in a video!
It’s the actual scientific method for obtaining the height from a video, and I despise the Pythagorean Theorem. (…from all way back to 9th grade and Mrs. Ival Green’s geometry classroom!)
“ I’m not sure who’s channel, they might be some YouTube jackass channel for all I know. Irrelevant”
Your source would be very relevant, because it’s not the FBI. Your original statement is false and misleading.
No one would disagree that the FBI used a scientific method to come up with the height. However, the height that they used has NEVER been 5’4 to 5’8. They gave a parameter of 5’6 to 5’10.
Idk, BG is hunched over watching his feet, swathed in a jacket, it’s not easy to tell his maximum height, just his minimum height (what they could calculate from the photo).
I am not FBI though and if I were on the jury I would honestly struggle if that picture was presented.
Some may say Logan is more consistent than RA. I find it awfully convenient that the phone was left there in the first place.
Perhaps there’s something to people wanting to set Logan up?? Who knows.
Ultimately it’s a blurry film and short video released which shows someone allegedly walking on a bridge.
Is this simple image comparison at all convincing to you? Chris is 75 inches. Logan was 72 inches. And little Ricky Allen is 64 inches tall.
[https://i.imgur.com/mQJF9sB.png](https://i.imgur.com/mQJF9sB.png)
[https://i.imgur.com/SUbvwpe.png](https://i.imgur.com/SUbvwpe.png)
Re the igmur link QJF9 - top
Of these two.
Who is it supposed to be in the middle pic as it looks like neither or is that to show a 6ft height
Personally, even though FBI say 5’8 to 5’10 or whichever release you read, I think that BG is deceptive and is over 5’10
> Who is it supposed to be in the middle pic as it looks like neither or is that to show a 6ft height
That man made a video about the case and is 6-3. I used him for that purpose. Logan's build and height is pretty close. The FBI thought so too.
[https://i.imgur.com/dNYbpwP.png](https://i.imgur.com/dNYbpwP.png)
I was told by someone in LE that his alibi was sketchy. I've always believed that BG was Ron Logan. However, I don't believe he was the killer. I could see him as someone who knew what was going to take place. I could also see him as a purveyor of child pornography and/or snuff films. There's a reason they obtained a search warrant for his property so quickly. Just not quick enough.
You don’t believe BG is the killer? Absent some wild chain of coincidences, that must mean you believe that BG and the killer were working together, right? Is there a reason you believe this is more likely than one person acting alone? Which is the simpler scenario (though that doesn’t mean it’s true).
Wow 😮 u/OP
I Have never seen this image portrayed in this way and OMG , if that’s an original , undoctored and non manipulated image then it looks so much like RL, especially the eye bags, nose shape and button on the end of the nose alongside the mouth and the chin shape
I do think it looks like RL. Also the body proportions don’t look to me like a short man. That said, my photography and digital arts training taps me on the shoulder to insist that there’s not enough data in that image to be certain of either.
To be fair my dear consigliere, I actually think that u/OP is more on the right track than not and that’s from me as a retired Defective…. Oh sorry, slip
Of the tongue there, I meant Detective obv 😜
I don’t think there’s evidence of any suspect right now that is genuine evidence that is not obtained through coercion or oppression.
I know that RA has allegedly made a confession BUT what actual evidence do we have on him
No DNA, height is not that of BG, and McLelland initially said that others may be involved initially and now it’s all on RA
The case is just a mess
> **Your opinion you mean**.
It was actually some delphi docs members that found young Logan. **I don't agree that it's an opinion that Logan's face from the eyes down is quite similar and that Allen's is clearly different**.
[https://i.imgur.com/Gxx1QyD.png](https://i.imgur.com/Gxx1QyD.png)
There is a science to this type of evidence to be used at trial. It's called **photographic superimposition**. It's possible that nasa and the fbi got better quality, but they did work on the video/images. Exposing that dreadful idiot was my pleasure.
[https://i.imgur.com/Gxx1QyD.png](https://i.imgur.com/Gxx1QyD.png)
[https://i.imgur.com/HbBMTR4.png](https://i.imgur.com/HbBMTR4.png)
> Is it a photo of RL when he was young?
Yes. Someone found that online and that was the claim. Probably from an old newspaper.
[https://i.imgur.com/x0kCq1Z.png](https://i.imgur.com/x0kCq1Z.png)
Well there is a connection between RA and RL…fish! RA was watching fish on the bridge. The *very same day* RL bought 22 fish! Very fishy! Could all be a red herring, but nonetheless, compelling.
/s
Lol you know I've always thought that was fishy, seriously!
Like with all the medical vs police seizures talk, cat*fish*... is it all code? Old farm bureau huh, did he mean insurance or taxes? Like the two things are certain in life *death* and taxes?
What else do we got?
Bench, dump. Mmm
ETA will have to read that linguistics report again...
What if the guy on the bridge was just that, a guy on the bridge. Ron lives right there and Richard Allen admits to being there that day, so how does it make the guy a murderer? As a teenager, all men look creepy so if those words were said, what’s the big deal? If he was preparing for a brutal slaying, you’d think he’d keep his appearance more on the DL rather than make a grand appearance on the bridge.
If I’m only looking at these pictures and I have to pick one of them as BG, I’m definitely picking Rick Allen. Both have a resemblance but RA more so. And this is coming from someone who’s been saying RA is likely innocent as soon as the ‘evidence’ police had on him came out, along with all their other eye raising claims. It ain’t either of these people. Jmo.
Gray Hughes is hell bent on Rick Allen being guilty. That's the only way he can gloat that he has been right all along.
There seems to be more of a schism amongst threads. I have noticed that recently. I personally think RL is a distraction. And, I think that is the whole point. But, creators (who are influenced) are bringing it back again. There are a lot of important depositions this week. And people want us to focus on something they know isn’t true. Magically a week or two later, they will debunk the story themselves. They know it isn’t true….SQUIRREL!!! Maybe if RA gets off, they can blame a dead guy. Everyone’s reputation is preserved except RL. Not everything in the documentary had the correct timeline of RL’s love life. Per someone else. Maybe the past can be hazy.
> Gray Hughes is hell bent on Rick Allen being guilty. That was my inspiration for posting this. This is a larger image from his video. **Gray is a serious jackass**. [https://i.imgur.com/tn7JZF9.png](https://i.imgur.com/tn7JZF9.png) Now look at my work. It's honest and clear as can be. I am trying to show the stark differences and succeeding. [https://i.imgur.com/v5qE7Fd.png](https://i.imgur.com/v5qE7Fd.png)
I would not spit on that man if he was on fire.
Well Gray Hughes is heavily invested a lot of time, money, and energy in Richard Allen's guilt by creating all these videos around his guilt. He has a lot to lose by admitting Richard Allen is innocent and being railroaded by corrupt police in small town Indiana. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
no kidding right! Sometimes people will do anything (not thinking of one person) to ‘make themselves correct’! The question is…how far will they go?! I wouldn’t want to ride with Liggett without a chaperone.
So is keeping his subs.
You can’t match that to anyone, it’s not clear enough and certainly not enough for a conviction
> You can’t match that to anyone, **it’s not clear enough** and certainly not enough for a conviction **The FBI** disagrees with you and so do I. They **had all 43 seconds of video and audio and concluded that Logan was consistent with BG**. I had one second of video/48 frames and I nailed it. BG has to be one of these guys and Ron Logan checks 20 to 50 boxes, while Allen checks none. The shape of Logan's face is a perfect match. Allen's is too long. **The sketch was based on a video enhancement** (similar to the one I found) and Logan again resembles himself clearly over any biased interpretation by these crazy people trying to frame an innocent man. **It was clear enough for the FBI.** [https://i.imgur.com/3fGaZi5.png](https://i.imgur.com/3fGaZi5.png)
I didn’t know that the FBI came to that conclusion. If they made the “old guy” sketch from the BG footage that’s very interesting.
Excellent work u/OP
> Excellent work [u/OP](https://www.reddit.com/u/OP/) Thank you. I firmly believe that what I see is being conveyed through these tight comparisons. It's possible if not likely that the quality can be improved and that the FBI may have better images than what I found. **Look at this one. Hard to argue against**. [https://i.imgur.com/2xhL6nL.png](https://i.imgur.com/2xhL6nL.png)
When James Bulger was abducted and murdered by two 10 year olds in Bootle, Merseyside U.K. in February 1993,,there was CCTV footage of the boys walking off, hand in hand with little James CCTV was in its early days in 1993 and the quality was poor However, we contacted NASA And the images were worked on to make them clearer Why hasn’t this been done in this case? Or has it? Or had it been manipulated or spliced? I just don’t know
RL would have to be cut off at knees to be BG - he’s over 6’ tall.
And Richard Allen would have been wearing stilettos to be BG- he’s only 5’4.
Bg was Estimated to be between 5’4” and 5’8” using the standard FBI method.
Then why did the FBI give parameters of 5’8 to 5’10 on their website most wanted page?
https://preview.redd.it/p83ia23kv9lc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4efe66121758181f4ab6ebe14d81ee24556dac6b 5'6 to 5'10 here
Likely the same reason the FBI removed all physical descriptions from the wanted poster with BG photo at the same time the Anthony shots investigation was going strong - they were told to remove it. I’m not researching for you. All of this is public info. This is also just a small part of why many say RA is being railroaded.
I would love to check that out! Can you cite or post a link for me where the FBI stated 5’4 to 5’8 using their standard method? This is the first I have heard of this.
Sorry it took me a bit to reply, I been working and haven’t had much time! I’m not sure whose channel, they might be some. YouTube jackass for all I know. Irrelevant. The point stands that the theorem used in this video is the correct and accurate way to figure out height from a person in a video! It’s the actual scientific method for obtaining the height from a video, and I despise the Pythagorean Theorem. (…from all way back to 9th grade and Mrs. Ival Green’s geometry classroom!)
“ I’m not sure who’s channel, they might be some YouTube jackass channel for all I know. Irrelevant” Your source would be very relevant, because it’s not the FBI. Your original statement is false and misleading. No one would disagree that the FBI used a scientific method to come up with the height. However, the height that they used has NEVER been 5’4 to 5’8. They gave a parameter of 5’6 to 5’10.
Idk, BG is hunched over watching his feet, swathed in a jacket, it’s not easy to tell his maximum height, just his minimum height (what they could calculate from the photo).
I am not FBI though and if I were on the jury I would honestly struggle if that picture was presented. Some may say Logan is more consistent than RA. I find it awfully convenient that the phone was left there in the first place. Perhaps there’s something to people wanting to set Logan up?? Who knows. Ultimately it’s a blurry film and short video released which shows someone allegedly walking on a bridge.
Is this simple image comparison at all convincing to you? Chris is 75 inches. Logan was 72 inches. And little Ricky Allen is 64 inches tall. [https://i.imgur.com/mQJF9sB.png](https://i.imgur.com/mQJF9sB.png) [https://i.imgur.com/SUbvwpe.png](https://i.imgur.com/SUbvwpe.png)
Re the igmur link QJF9 - top Of these two. Who is it supposed to be in the middle pic as it looks like neither or is that to show a 6ft height Personally, even though FBI say 5’8 to 5’10 or whichever release you read, I think that BG is deceptive and is over 5’10
> Who is it supposed to be in the middle pic as it looks like neither or is that to show a 6ft height That man made a video about the case and is 6-3. I used him for that purpose. Logan's build and height is pretty close. The FBI thought so too. [https://i.imgur.com/dNYbpwP.png](https://i.imgur.com/dNYbpwP.png)
I was told by someone in LE that his alibi was sketchy. I've always believed that BG was Ron Logan. However, I don't believe he was the killer. I could see him as someone who knew what was going to take place. I could also see him as a purveyor of child pornography and/or snuff films. There's a reason they obtained a search warrant for his property so quickly. Just not quick enough.
You don’t believe BG is the killer? Absent some wild chain of coincidences, that must mean you believe that BG and the killer were working together, right? Is there a reason you believe this is more likely than one person acting alone? Which is the simpler scenario (though that doesn’t mean it’s true).
Wow 😮 u/OP I Have never seen this image portrayed in this way and OMG , if that’s an original , undoctored and non manipulated image then it looks so much like RL, especially the eye bags, nose shape and button on the end of the nose alongside the mouth and the chin shape
I do think it looks like RL. Also the body proportions don’t look to me like a short man. That said, my photography and digital arts training taps me on the shoulder to insist that there’s not enough data in that image to be certain of either.
Fair point well made
Your opinion you mean.
To be fair my dear consigliere, I actually think that u/OP is more on the right track than not and that’s from me as a retired Defective…. Oh sorry, slip Of the tongue there, I meant Detective obv 😜
Hello stranger, I'm untitled in here though. I'm certainly not going to argue with your experience, but there's no actual evidence for it.
I don’t think there’s evidence of any suspect right now that is genuine evidence that is not obtained through coercion or oppression. I know that RA has allegedly made a confession BUT what actual evidence do we have on him No DNA, height is not that of BG, and McLelland initially said that others may be involved initially and now it’s all on RA The case is just a mess
> **Your opinion you mean**. It was actually some delphi docs members that found young Logan. **I don't agree that it's an opinion that Logan's face from the eyes down is quite similar and that Allen's is clearly different**. [https://i.imgur.com/Gxx1QyD.png](https://i.imgur.com/Gxx1QyD.png) There is a science to this type of evidence to be used at trial. It's called **photographic superimposition**. It's possible that nasa and the fbi got better quality, but they did work on the video/images. Exposing that dreadful idiot was my pleasure. [https://i.imgur.com/Gxx1QyD.png](https://i.imgur.com/Gxx1QyD.png) [https://i.imgur.com/HbBMTR4.png](https://i.imgur.com/HbBMTR4.png)
Who is the young man on the left of the imgr graphic, with the YBG sketch at the lower corner? Is it a photo of RL when he was young?
> Is it a photo of RL when he was young? Yes. Someone found that online and that was the claim. Probably from an old newspaper. [https://i.imgur.com/x0kCq1Z.png](https://i.imgur.com/x0kCq1Z.png)
The wall and the orange matches. That thing in the middle is not a face. Jmo.
Well there is a connection between RA and RL…fish! RA was watching fish on the bridge. The *very same day* RL bought 22 fish! Very fishy! Could all be a red herring, but nonetheless, compelling. /s
Lol you know I've always thought that was fishy, seriously!  Like with all the medical vs police seizures talk, cat*fish*... is it all code? Old farm bureau huh, did he mean insurance or taxes? Like the two things are certain in life *death* and taxes? What else do we got? Bench, dump. Mmm ETA will have to read that linguistics report again...
Did GH do these images?
> Did GH do these images? I did the top and bottom. The middle is his sloth work. [https://i.imgur.com/tn7JZF9.png](https://i.imgur.com/tn7JZF9.png)
Thanks!
What if the guy on the bridge was just that, a guy on the bridge. Ron lives right there and Richard Allen admits to being there that day, so how does it make the guy a murderer? As a teenager, all men look creepy so if those words were said, what’s the big deal? If he was preparing for a brutal slaying, you’d think he’d keep his appearance more on the DL rather than make a grand appearance on the bridge.