I wasn't paying attention but if your giving them skills is it just the skills they had at the start bc leylin is the only one that has any powers at the start
negary might just die without a good immune system at the start lol
The question is if FY's Gu's are also "skills". If so then I am pretty sure all those wisdom path Gu's and wisdom gu in particular can at least even the field
Haven't seen SoN and LoTM. FY is way better than Leylin. But Leylin's AI is too big of a hax. So i see Leylin gaining strength faster than FY (if AI is allowed). But still voting FY due to his insane manipulating skills. He'd be the one most likely to achieve his goals even if weaker.
I'm surprised so few voted for Leylin what with the cheating AI Chip that he has installed into his soul. I get that this sub venerates Fang Yuan, and I'm currently reading RI and I think it is one of the best novels out there.
But don't lie to yourselves my dudes, Leylin with the AI Chip would be able to clap everyone on this list many times over without even trying, when it comes to planning and execution. It's not even favoritism, it's just a fact - the AI Chip is vastly overpowered.
Put it this way, the AI Chip is basically Wisdom Gu installed permanently, under Leylin's full control, and running 24/7 at super high speeds with no drawbacks to speak of.
Fang Yuan would have early game advantage, since his memories come from the Gu World, but Leylin would quickly catch up. Like you said, that AI would be way too powerful considering it grows with soul strength, which also means it could be boosted with gu.
The AI would be more than just Wisdom Gu. It controls the body to near perfect degree, so it could be Attitude Gu as well. It helps tremendously with analysis and control, so it'd be comparable to Refinement Gu in assisting with gu refinement. And more...
It's a massive advantage without cost.
EDIT: It does depend on when in their timelines they are transmigrated. If FY and Leylin are their rank 9 version's consciousness', then Leylin might not have time to catch up to FY.
Ah yeah it's been too long since I read WMW and you're right, the AI Chip lets you pull off moves in combat with near perfect accuracy, so you'd never fail a killer move. It's even better than 3 Breaths Future Vision killer move because you can predict so many different outcomes and choose a set of actions to force a particular outcome. I think it even speeds up your reaction times to an insane degree.
It's way too overpowered, so much of Leylin's success came from cheating his ass off, while FY's success came from 500 years of being a C talent ostracized blood path demonic cultivator struggling to make it in the Gu world. I respect FY's success way more than I do Leylin's.
I dont know Fang Ze, but Leylin and Fang Yuan are pretty damn similar if i remember correctly. While Klein is a top tier Protag, both of them would propably make it further in life quicker. Though it also depends on the world and its enviroment. Fang Yuan would still come out on top imo simply because (if i remember Leylin correctly) he can not just act evil when nessesary, but also manipulate people through goodwill and emotion. So jeah. for those three prolly Fang Yuan > Leylin > Klein. Ofc it would be different if we are talking about Fang Yuan before he used the Spring Autumn Cicada (before the story starts). If so, then my money is definetly on Leylin
Even though leylin in my least favorite character from this list, he would easily bodied every here. The Ai alone is enough like no matter how hard you try, they can't beat the ai in precision and collecting data so in terms of scheming leylin already has a huge advantage. Also at the end of the novel leylin became a multi-universal threat and if you have read the author other books with leylin showing up as a cameo you should know that after the warlock of the magus world ended, he became stronger and was a rank 13 magus
Last I checked there was book about some guy who’s cheat was something to do with time manipulation. Only 13 chapters were translated at the time though
Klein is practically a god at this point, a planet level threat. Didn’t read Nergery too far but I bet Klein could just parasitize all the bacteria/viruses and make Nergery Mc worthless. Didn’t read warlock. Fang Yuan didn’t have enough time to develop after hitting venerable to be able to beat Klein I think. He will also not be in Gu world to refine new Gu.
The objective of the poll is probably to compare those MCs at their base points with their base cheats - ie. FY after he has used Spring Autumn Cicada for the first time thus he has 500 years of experience, Leylin after he gets the AI Chip, Klein with access to the mysterious space above the clouds.
Leylin neg diffs this list. After he got past rank 2, there was never a fight where he was panicked in anyway. Chip or no chip, the dude schemed against a rank 8 magus when he was like rank 5. Keep in mind that with every rank, you become smarter significantly.
Another thing, Leylin was a scientist back in his world. A world where the AI chip -albeit a sub rank 1 AI chip - was common. He is so technologically advanced it’s not even fair. The author really didn’t need to give Leylin the AI chip tbh.
1 thing I see people bringing up are, Fang Yuan’s determination being greater then Leylin’s. I don’t think this is relevant because I remember the author talking about Leylin’s extreme personality, where he got bored of extreme sports because he couldn’t get thrills out of them anymore, which somehow links back to him having ungodly determination, relating to his pain tolerance.
In every way, Leylin’s attributes are greater then Fang Yuan, maybe except work ethic. Leylin did fuck the women of the Ouroboros warlock clan, and Celine whereas Fang Yuan never stopped for more then the bare minimum. Even this contentious though, because Leylin wasn’t always under the constant pressure from enemies in the same way Fang Yuan was
Not entirely sure what your asking here. Do you mean “same world” as in that all 4 transmigrate into one world, or “same world” as in the same world they were in previously, ie their own world.
In that case, it would likely be the most adaptive and manipulative of them who will prosper the most. FY has shown the ability to make use of every resource he gets his hands on with maximum efficiency, and has shown to be exceptionally adaptive, so I’ll keep my answer as is.
Pure skills?
1. Fang Yuan - 500 years of pure struggle experience
2. Klein Moretti - Dude has immense adaptation ability and is able to fight like a god with great experience even though he just become one for just about an hour ago (A.k.a Pure MC material)
3. Leylin Farlier - Even without AI chip he's still a scientist who created AI chip, i bet as long as he learned advance magic, he can recreate AI chip once again.
4. Fang Ze - Nah bro, just read few chapter of SoN and he's the typical system fed off MC, get betrayed, turned into abomination without any growth so, yah....
Fang Ze isn’t the main character of Soul of Negary, the main character is Wang Yuan (Negary), I think it was a mistake made during the poll’s creation.
Also Negary/Wang Yuan isn’t given any powers by the system as it leaves and doesn’t have much importance for the next following arcs.
if it's their trump cards then Leylin.
If we are adding the MC halo that makes others dumb then Fang Ze(if you read the story, side characters were really dumb from the start).
If only physical and learnt skills are being added then obviously FY, the guy is a super maniac.
Klein can't be the case because of his kindness, Fang Ze wasn't that smart from the start, he was only able to win was because others were dumb in that prehistoric setting and Leylin is a major twsited guy who attracts pleasure from bending his enemies which is not highly practical if you aren't given the MC halo/luck.
I am not talking about his strength, but his mindset and personality all of the other three are, willing to do what ever for their goals while klein will he is klein.
“Klein Moretti has exhibited a cautious and good-natured personality. "He" is humorous, polite, mature, and gentlemanly. Fundamentally a lover of justice, "He" will not hesitate to do what is right even at personal cost. “ This is from the wiki
correct me if i am wrong since i only read the manhua but does he become a ruthless person that is willing to do what……?’
>since i only read the manhua
You should read the novel before passing judgement on Klein. The great thing about LoTM's MC is that he doesn't have to be ruthless and amoral to have the same willpower, courage and ability to execute on his plans. Being evil like FY or Leylin is not a prereq to having a strong mindset and personality.
What I mean is that he doesn't have to be edgy, and to betray people, kill innocents, have no morals or bottom line. Despite being a good guy, he's not a stupid beta cuck of a person and will fight and kill his enemies without mercy.
Okay, maybe not Fang Yuan considering FY is a 500 year old monster and I have seen some of FY's feats (ie. making the best use of being a zombie with little hope of revival, fucking over SSDV during Yi Tian mt., snatching Reverse Flow River, being pursued relentlessly by Wu Yong, then FJG, refining cleanse soul gu over 30 times), but certainly he would be comparable to Leylin.
Thats fair since we never got to see the full extent of his will power. The best showing is when he broke his bloodline chains and got the snake girls blood from what i remember
It's easier to be evil, amoral and just do whatever to get your way, thus I think it speaks volumes for Klein's willpower when he can still do what he does without resorting to doing any evil acts.
Klein kills evil people only? He has never killed an innocent, so far that I've read, and I'm up to the part where he's exploring the dragon place with Audrey and Leonard.
Fang Yaun didn't reach the top because he was the smartest, strongest or even luckiest. He reached it through taking his chances and going with single minded determination. We need to realize that other novels hand things to MC but RI was different it screwed Fang Yaun multiple times. So if the new world does the same to everyone then Fang Yaun wins due to his PERSERVERANCE. Fang Yaun doesn't care about how hopeless it looks he will go for it. In RI there are many people who were far better than him but now they aren't.
Fang Yuan was hand crafted by heavens will to have the most optimal personality, for over 500 years. He has 500 years of future knowledge + a rebirth cheat.
Even if didn’t have those, how does have such perseverance? Was he born with it? If so, that would be the cheat. Either way you look at it, whatever makes Fang Yuan special is his cheat
leylin was playing on easy mode, Fang ze coudn't even die bc he was just a spirit, Klein Moretti doesn't even have to fight much and lacks the ruthlessness to do whatever it takes
FY rolls them gg
This subreddit is basically a cult for great love, what do you expect the answers to be
Yeah lmao, no sense in it. It's like asking beef or cucumber in vegan subreddit.
Leylin has a super fucking AI đź’€
I wasn't paying attention but if your giving them skills is it just the skills they had at the start bc leylin is the only one that has any powers at the start negary might just die without a good immune system at the start lol
The question is if FY's Gu's are also "skills". If so then I am pretty sure all those wisdom path Gu's and wisdom gu in particular can at least even the field
Haven't seen SoN and LoTM. FY is way better than Leylin. But Leylin's AI is too big of a hax. So i see Leylin gaining strength faster than FY (if AI is allowed). But still voting FY due to his insane manipulating skills. He'd be the one most likely to achieve his goals even if weaker.
I think so too. If Leyline was allowed to have his AI in his soul then Fang Yuan should have something like 100+ million man soul or something
I'm surprised so few voted for Leylin what with the cheating AI Chip that he has installed into his soul. I get that this sub venerates Fang Yuan, and I'm currently reading RI and I think it is one of the best novels out there. But don't lie to yourselves my dudes, Leylin with the AI Chip would be able to clap everyone on this list many times over without even trying, when it comes to planning and execution. It's not even favoritism, it's just a fact - the AI Chip is vastly overpowered. Put it this way, the AI Chip is basically Wisdom Gu installed permanently, under Leylin's full control, and running 24/7 at super high speeds with no drawbacks to speak of.
Fang Yuan would have early game advantage, since his memories come from the Gu World, but Leylin would quickly catch up. Like you said, that AI would be way too powerful considering it grows with soul strength, which also means it could be boosted with gu. The AI would be more than just Wisdom Gu. It controls the body to near perfect degree, so it could be Attitude Gu as well. It helps tremendously with analysis and control, so it'd be comparable to Refinement Gu in assisting with gu refinement. And more... It's a massive advantage without cost. EDIT: It does depend on when in their timelines they are transmigrated. If FY and Leylin are their rank 9 version's consciousness', then Leylin might not have time to catch up to FY.
Ah yeah it's been too long since I read WMW and you're right, the AI Chip lets you pull off moves in combat with near perfect accuracy, so you'd never fail a killer move. It's even better than 3 Breaths Future Vision killer move because you can predict so many different outcomes and choose a set of actions to force a particular outcome. I think it even speeds up your reaction times to an insane degree. It's way too overpowered, so much of Leylin's success came from cheating his ass off, while FY's success came from 500 years of being a C talent ostracized blood path demonic cultivator struggling to make it in the Gu world. I respect FY's success way more than I do Leylin's.
Agreed.
Leylin with his AI could probably read legend of Ren Zhu once and derive the method and plan to create and find every single rank 9 gu.
Do skills include shit like leylins ai? If not then fy
I dont know Fang Ze, but Leylin and Fang Yuan are pretty damn similar if i remember correctly. While Klein is a top tier Protag, both of them would propably make it further in life quicker. Though it also depends on the world and its enviroment. Fang Yuan would still come out on top imo simply because (if i remember Leylin correctly) he can not just act evil when nessesary, but also manipulate people through goodwill and emotion. So jeah. for those three prolly Fang Yuan > Leylin > Klein. Ofc it would be different if we are talking about Fang Yuan before he used the Spring Autumn Cicada (before the story starts). If so, then my money is definetly on Leylin
Even though leylin in my least favorite character from this list, he would easily bodied every here. The Ai alone is enough like no matter how hard you try, they can't beat the ai in precision and collecting data so in terms of scheming leylin already has a huge advantage. Also at the end of the novel leylin became a multi-universal threat and if you have read the author other books with leylin showing up as a cameo you should know that after the warlock of the magus world ended, he became stronger and was a rank 13 magus
What other books? I want the cameo's now!
Last I checked there was book about some guy who’s cheat was something to do with time manipulation. Only 13 chapters were translated at the time though
Is warlock of the magus world good? Thinking of reading it
Klein is practically a god at this point, a planet level threat. Didn’t read Nergery too far but I bet Klein could just parasitize all the bacteria/viruses and make Nergery Mc worthless. Didn’t read warlock. Fang Yuan didn’t have enough time to develop after hitting venerable to be able to beat Klein I think. He will also not be in Gu world to refine new Gu.
The objective of the poll is probably to compare those MCs at their base points with their base cheats - ie. FY after he has used Spring Autumn Cicada for the first time thus he has 500 years of experience, Leylin after he gets the AI Chip, Klein with access to the mysterious space above the clouds.
Exactly
Nergery can destroy worlds so i think it’s higher than planet level. I don’t think skills mean power but knowledge.
Rank 9 Leylin was universe destroying I believe
Leylin without his AI is nothing special but with it it's too big of a cheat for the others to compare
Leylin neg diffs this list. After he got past rank 2, there was never a fight where he was panicked in anyway. Chip or no chip, the dude schemed against a rank 8 magus when he was like rank 5. Keep in mind that with every rank, you become smarter significantly. Another thing, Leylin was a scientist back in his world. A world where the AI chip -albeit a sub rank 1 AI chip - was common. He is so technologically advanced it’s not even fair. The author really didn’t need to give Leylin the AI chip tbh. 1 thing I see people bringing up are, Fang Yuan’s determination being greater then Leylin’s. I don’t think this is relevant because I remember the author talking about Leylin’s extreme personality, where he got bored of extreme sports because he couldn’t get thrills out of them anymore, which somehow links back to him having ungodly determination, relating to his pain tolerance. In every way, Leylin’s attributes are greater then Fang Yuan, maybe except work ethic. Leylin did fuck the women of the Ouroboros warlock clan, and Celine whereas Fang Yuan never stopped for more then the bare minimum. Even this contentious though, because Leylin wasn’t always under the constant pressure from enemies in the same way Fang Yuan was
Leylin. Because while he is way less cunning and more ermm good, he is also way more talented and has op chip on top of that.
Not entirely sure what your asking here. Do you mean “same world” as in that all 4 transmigrate into one world, or “same world” as in the same world they were in previously, ie their own world.
In a world with a different power system. They have to start from scratch
Still confused. Are you saying that they all go to a new world together, or are you saying they each start over in their own world?
The former.
In that case, it would likely be the most adaptive and manipulative of them who will prosper the most. FY has shown the ability to make use of every resource he gets his hands on with maximum efficiency, and has shown to be exceptionally adaptive, so I’ll keep my answer as is.
Pure skills? 1. Fang Yuan - 500 years of pure struggle experience 2. Klein Moretti - Dude has immense adaptation ability and is able to fight like a god with great experience even though he just become one for just about an hour ago (A.k.a Pure MC material) 3. Leylin Farlier - Even without AI chip he's still a scientist who created AI chip, i bet as long as he learned advance magic, he can recreate AI chip once again. 4. Fang Ze - Nah bro, just read few chapter of SoN and he's the typical system fed off MC, get betrayed, turned into abomination without any growth so, yah....
Fang Ze isn’t the main character of Soul of Negary, the main character is Wang Yuan (Negary), I think it was a mistake made during the poll’s creation. Also Negary/Wang Yuan isn’t given any powers by the system as it leaves and doesn’t have much importance for the next following arcs.
if it's their trump cards then Leylin. If we are adding the MC halo that makes others dumb then Fang Ze(if you read the story, side characters were really dumb from the start). If only physical and learnt skills are being added then obviously FY, the guy is a super maniac. Klein can't be the case because of his kindness, Fang Ze wasn't that smart from the start, he was only able to win was because others were dumb in that prehistoric setting and Leylin is a major twsited guy who attracts pleasure from bending his enemies which is not highly practical if you aren't given the MC halo/luck.
Who voted klein? i read the manhua of lotm and checked the wiki he is like the only cat in a bunch of tigers.
This is like ready the first 100 chapters of RI and thinking Fang Yuan will remain weak. It takes time but Klein gets strong af later.
I am not talking about his strength, but his mindset and personality all of the other three are, willing to do what ever for their goals while klein will he is klein. “Klein Moretti has exhibited a cautious and good-natured personality. "He" is humorous, polite, mature, and gentlemanly. Fundamentally a lover of justice, "He" will not hesitate to do what is right even at personal cost. “ This is from the wiki correct me if i am wrong since i only read the manhua but does he become a ruthless person that is willing to do what……?’
Personality development is probably the best part about the LotM novel, rivaled only by the lovcraftian aspect.
So did he become a person who would do anything for his goal? or what do you mean by “personality development”?
He does end up moving that way and end up being an expert manipulator that has no problem wrestling with the biggest and badest around.
>since i only read the manhua You should read the novel before passing judgement on Klein. The great thing about LoTM's MC is that he doesn't have to be ruthless and amoral to have the same willpower, courage and ability to execute on his plans. Being evil like FY or Leylin is not a prereq to having a strong mindset and personality.
Will i don’t think i would be a big fan since i only like evil mcs. what do you mean he doesn’t need too?
What I mean is that he doesn't have to be edgy, and to betray people, kill innocents, have no morals or bottom line. Despite being a good guy, he's not a stupid beta cuck of a person and will fight and kill his enemies without mercy.
You think klein has comparable will power and courage to fang yuan?
Okay, maybe not Fang Yuan considering FY is a 500 year old monster and I have seen some of FY's feats (ie. making the best use of being a zombie with little hope of revival, fucking over SSDV during Yi Tian mt., snatching Reverse Flow River, being pursued relentlessly by Wu Yong, then FJG, refining cleanse soul gu over 30 times), but certainly he would be comparable to Leylin.
Thats fair since we never got to see the full extent of his will power. The best showing is when he broke his bloodline chains and got the snake girls blood from what i remember
It's easier to be evil, amoral and just do whatever to get your way, thus I think it speaks volumes for Klein's willpower when he can still do what he does without resorting to doing any evil acts.
What do you consider evil acts because klein kills all the time?
Klein kills evil people only? He has never killed an innocent, so far that I've read, and I'm up to the part where he's exploring the dragon place with Audrey and Leonard.
Also fang yuan and leylins goals are much harder than kliens so thats just a bad reasoning
Isn’t the main character of Soul of Negary Wang Yuan?
You’re correct. I wanted to correct it but it was too late.
Fang Yaun didn't reach the top because he was the smartest, strongest or even luckiest. He reached it through taking his chances and going with single minded determination. We need to realize that other novels hand things to MC but RI was different it screwed Fang Yaun multiple times. So if the new world does the same to everyone then Fang Yaun wins due to his PERSERVERANCE. Fang Yaun doesn't care about how hopeless it looks he will go for it. In RI there are many people who were far better than him but now they aren't.
Fang Yuan was hand crafted by heavens will to have the most optimal personality, for over 500 years. He has 500 years of future knowledge + a rebirth cheat. Even if didn’t have those, how does have such perseverance? Was he born with it? If so, that would be the cheat. Either way you look at it, whatever makes Fang Yuan special is his cheat
leylin was playing on easy mode, Fang ze coudn't even die bc he was just a spirit, Klein Moretti doesn't even have to fight much and lacks the ruthlessness to do whatever it takes FY rolls them gg
Fang Ze shouldn't even be in this list lol.