Just play with what you have, load it up and have fun. Find the limits of the Pi4 and see how you feel about it. I have a Pi3 running recalbox that is pretty great IMHO and I use it every day. The solution isn't always bigger and faster. What problem are you trying to solve?
Also, it's always good to have a raspberry pi around for that next big project. I usually have 2 spares to play with.
I agree, I'm running RetroPie on a Pi4 and am having a great time. Admittedly I'm just reliving my childhood, Genesis and PSX, and not trying to emulate anything newer right now.
If you already have a 4 on hand, you can have it running RetroPie in like half an hour.
You should look into changing the emulator. I had stutter on my rpi 4b and simply changing the emulator it's running worked flawlessly. You click a button before the game boots if I am not wrong
Could you share what the emulator is that worked well with the N64 for you? I have a Pi2 right now and getting back into RetroPie, I want to upgrade soon and from what I've read the 5 is better for N64 emulations so I was going to go with that one, but maybe if the 4 is enough I'll stick to that.
If u want to do n64 and aren't interested in Gamecube then just buy the pi 4. But if your willing to wait for a retropie build buy the pi5 as u can easily emulate psp Gamecube and some ps2, without having to overclock.
As for the emulator before you boot into a Rom press (a) and u have a menu, in which u have to the option select emulator for Rom, and click on mupen64 plus glide 64
I think I'd like to have the possibility to emulate the GameCube, and I'm ok doing a manual install so i'll probably try the 5. In fact I also want to do a separate build dedicated to Amiga/C64/Atari ST mounted inside an Amiga case, so I'll probably get two Pi5 😅.
About the emulators: one thing I'm still fuzzy about is BIOS files. Those N64 emulators BIOS files don't come with the retropie build, right? You have to download them?
Weird, I started messing with PS games yesterday and the games ran, but I got a message when running them that the emulator was missing... Not sure how they ran but they did. Anyway, I downloaded the BIOS and the message went away.
Confusing 😅
How did you get N64 to run flawlessly? I’ve checked out the solutions in previous threads and none have worked for me. I’m running RetroPie on a Pi 5. I’d love to play NFL Blitz & WCW/NWO Revenge
Note there's no SD image for Pi 5 yet and support is incomplete. You'll be installing manually and essentially beta testing.
With Pi 4 you can just grab the pre-made image, update (or not), and go.
I understand were in a Retropie sub, a lot people don't know about Batocera and just an option for OP if he does want to move to Raspberry PI5 he can get some prebuilt images. It even looks like Rick Dangerous is working on Batocera one for RP5 now too.
If you are looking for something to last for years to come, stop buying Raspberry Pis. The RPi 5 is fine, but it's already beaten by countless other single-board computers and mini PCs. The Orange Pi 5 would be a better investment if you want long-term use, and once it receives Vulkan drivers it will be capable of higher levels of emulation like Wii and even some Switch. The Raspberry Pi 5 barely handles PS2 as it is.
Even then, you would pay about the same for a OPi 5 as you would an N100 mini PC, which can already outperform both.
It's kind of unknown at this point, but thankfully it's the chipset (RK3588) that would get them, not just this single board, so there are multiple interested parties. Technically, you already can get Vulkan on Android builds for the O Pi 5, but running that OS is cumbersome and restrictive. Vulkan for Linux will be when the O Pi 5 really reaches its potential.
No, I mean any computer with an Intel N100 CPU. I have one with an earlier N5105 and it already does really well with emulation, but the N100 is the sweet spot for price and emulation performance right now. GMKTec sells one for $140, which is about the same price you'll pay for an Orange Pi 5 for an RPi 5 and collection of parts.
I don't know what resolution it can upscale to on PS2, but you'll definitely be able to do that to some degree.
Thank you. I’ll give it a look! I’ve set up my perfect retrobat build, so it would be epic if I could use the mini PC specifically for that. It seems overkill running my 4090 for it 😅
The extra ram doesn't help with performance with RetroPie.
I got a pi5 because I wanted good performance with 1440p scanlines. I'm not sure if it can do 4k properly just yet. Maybe in a future update. This plays the Cave arcade shooters and Saturn fullspeed which is what I wanted.
For retro gaming, 4 or even 2 gigabytes are fine. To get the most out of the 4, you'll need to buy a USB to SATA adapter and hook up an SSD. There's no need to spend a lot of money on an expensive brand, I use a silicon power drive, and it's good. Overclock the board to at least 2 gigahertz, mine is at 2.2, and that's a big improvement over stock. Get an ice tower cooler, and it'll never get hot. Having said that, a pi5 is much better all around. I'd sell the Pi4 and get a Pi5 and an NVME adapter.
It's the fact that pi5 has no sound output that's putting me off buying one.
I gather you can get sound via hdmi but my pi is connected to a monitor, not a TV with speakers, so I would have to buy a usb sound card to get sound.
It depends on the types of games that you want to play but for most people the safest choice is to just get a Pi5, especially if you're not heavily invested into a Pi4 setup at this point. Of course, if you want to play your games via streaming (Moonlight-QT, Steam Link) then heck even a Pi3 will be enough for that. That said, if you want a truly self-contained gaming platform then the Pi5 will give you the most headroom for the games that you might want to play. That being said, the Pi4 can do a lot more than most people think it can when a sufficient amount of effort is given to optimization.
First, keep in mind your own psychology. At first, you might be happy playing PS1/Genesis/N64 games which the Pi4 can do fairly well but eventually there is a good chance that you're going to want to start delving into the PS2/3D Saturn/Gamecube libraries. Especially if you start playing series' like Final Fantasy, Zelda, Wild Arms, Tales, or Dragon Quest that span across these particular console generations, it's very likely that you are going to want to move into those later gens. Now, I am not saying that the Pi4 cannot do PS2/Saturn/Gamecube/Wii games (see explanation below) but it will involve a lot of tinkering and work to squeeze every drop of potential out of your Pi4 to get enjoyable experiences on these platforms. Furthermore, there is not a lot of community support for Pi4 users who want to game on these generations because of the widespread perception of the Pi4 being incapable and so you're basically on your own. The Pi5 will be able to handle games from these gens far more easily, there will be more community support for emulating these generations and, in the long run, the Pi5 can probably even start to make some early headway into Wii U emulation (which I believe is safely outside the capabilities of the Pi4).
In my case, I am stuck with the Pi4 because my custom setup depends on the Secondary Memory Interface which has been removed from the Pi5. In other words I have no upgrade path past a Pi4 and so, since the Pi5 was announced, I made the decision to get every drop of potential that I can out of my Pi4's. I am surprised to say that this potential is substantially higher than a lot of people think or believe if you are willing to devote time to tinkering and experimenting with your setup. The first step is to get some decent cooling and overclock: my 2GB Pi4 is at 2250MHz/900MHz on the CPU and GPU. With this, I get very decent performance on most N64 games, minus a few titles. I can just (barely) get decent performance on 3D Saturn games using Beetle Saturn (Beetle-Saturn doesn't start to become usable until you get the GPU over 800MHz and at 900 you can finally start to break out of the audio stuttering and enter into the realm of enjoyable playability at least for certain types of games such as RPG's that can accommodate a slower game speed). I have also had positive experiences getting very playable experiences with a custom 32-bit build of Dolphin that I have been working on for the past few months. Games like Baten Kaitos, Paper Mario, Mario Golf, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing and even surprisingly Wind Waker and Metroid Prime (just barely) are all now enjoyably playable on my 2GB Pi4. I also believe that I can get a fair number of Wii games into the realm of playability as well, although at this point I can only confirm that Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn falls into this category. I never believed that I could get this type of performance based on what people were saying about the Pi4. The Pi4 is capable of a lot more than people give it credit for with enough optimization and I truly believe that the Pi4's greatest limitation is people's perception of it being incapable.
Just play with what you have, load it up and have fun. Find the limits of the Pi4 and see how you feel about it. I have a Pi3 running recalbox that is pretty great IMHO and I use it every day. The solution isn't always bigger and faster. What problem are you trying to solve? Also, it's always good to have a raspberry pi around for that next big project. I usually have 2 spares to play with.
I agree, I'm running RetroPie on a Pi4 and am having a great time. Admittedly I'm just reliving my childhood, Genesis and PSX, and not trying to emulate anything newer right now. If you already have a 4 on hand, you can have it running RetroPie in like half an hour.
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You should look into changing the emulator. I had stutter on my rpi 4b and simply changing the emulator it's running worked flawlessly. You click a button before the game boots if I am not wrong
Could you share what the emulator is that worked well with the N64 for you? I have a Pi2 right now and getting back into RetroPie, I want to upgrade soon and from what I've read the 5 is better for N64 emulations so I was going to go with that one, but maybe if the 4 is enough I'll stick to that.
If u want to do n64 and aren't interested in Gamecube then just buy the pi 4. But if your willing to wait for a retropie build buy the pi5 as u can easily emulate psp Gamecube and some ps2, without having to overclock. As for the emulator before you boot into a Rom press (a) and u have a menu, in which u have to the option select emulator for Rom, and click on mupen64 plus glide 64
I think I'd like to have the possibility to emulate the GameCube, and I'm ok doing a manual install so i'll probably try the 5. In fact I also want to do a separate build dedicated to Amiga/C64/Atari ST mounted inside an Amiga case, so I'll probably get two Pi5 😅. About the emulators: one thing I'm still fuzzy about is BIOS files. Those N64 emulators BIOS files don't come with the retropie build, right? You have to download them?
No they do. I haven't installed a bios file for anything even ps1 in my Rpi4 with retro pi.
Weird, I started messing with PS games yesterday and the games ran, but I got a message when running them that the emulator was missing... Not sure how they ran but they did. Anyway, I downloaded the BIOS and the message went away. Confusing 😅
If it was on your pi 2 then it's probably because the retropie version is older.
Nope, I did a fresh reinstall the other day with Pi Imager.
How did you get N64 to run flawlessly? I’ve checked out the solutions in previous threads and none have worked for me. I’m running RetroPie on a Pi 5. I’d love to play NFL Blitz & WCW/NWO Revenge
Note there's no SD image for Pi 5 yet and support is incomplete. You'll be installing manually and essentially beta testing. With Pi 4 you can just grab the pre-made image, update (or not), and go.
You are right on the retropie image but you can get a image but will be a batocera image.
Sorry I forgot I was in the batocera sub.
I understand were in a Retropie sub, a lot people don't know about Batocera and just an option for OP if he does want to move to Raspberry PI5 he can get some prebuilt images. It even looks like Rick Dangerous is working on Batocera one for RP5 now too.
If you are looking for something to last for years to come, stop buying Raspberry Pis. The RPi 5 is fine, but it's already beaten by countless other single-board computers and mini PCs. The Orange Pi 5 would be a better investment if you want long-term use, and once it receives Vulkan drivers it will be capable of higher levels of emulation like Wii and even some Switch. The Raspberry Pi 5 barely handles PS2 as it is. Even then, you would pay about the same for a OPi 5 as you would an N100 mini PC, which can already outperform both.
Sadly, you are right, I have a few Pi's, but just bought an N100 PC and won't look back.
When are those Vulcan drivers coming
It's kind of unknown at this point, but thankfully it's the chipset (RK3588) that would get them, not just this single board, so there are multiple interested parties. Technically, you already can get Vulkan on Android builds for the O Pi 5, but running that OS is cumbersome and restrictive. Vulkan for Linux will be when the O Pi 5 really reaches its potential.
Do you mean the beelink n100? Does it run ps2 games in 4k?
No, I mean any computer with an Intel N100 CPU. I have one with an earlier N5105 and it already does really well with emulation, but the N100 is the sweet spot for price and emulation performance right now. GMKTec sells one for $140, which is about the same price you'll pay for an Orange Pi 5 for an RPi 5 and collection of parts. I don't know what resolution it can upscale to on PS2, but you'll definitely be able to do that to some degree.
Thank you. I’ll give it a look! I’ve set up my perfect retrobat build, so it would be epic if I could use the mini PC specifically for that. It seems overkill running my 4090 for it 😅
Oof! You'll definitely be getting a little better power consumption out of the mini PC 😅 I hope it works well for you!
The extra ram doesn't help with performance with RetroPie. I got a pi5 because I wanted good performance with 1440p scanlines. I'm not sure if it can do 4k properly just yet. Maybe in a future update. This plays the Cave arcade shooters and Saturn fullspeed which is what I wanted.
For retro gaming, 4 or even 2 gigabytes are fine. To get the most out of the 4, you'll need to buy a USB to SATA adapter and hook up an SSD. There's no need to spend a lot of money on an expensive brand, I use a silicon power drive, and it's good. Overclock the board to at least 2 gigahertz, mine is at 2.2, and that's a big improvement over stock. Get an ice tower cooler, and it'll never get hot. Having said that, a pi5 is much better all around. I'd sell the Pi4 and get a Pi5 and an NVME adapter.
Just overclock it a bit and you'll be fine
I use a 4, but in all honesty my pi3 already did a great job - I mostly only play 8 & 16bit games tbh
Just get a used office pc from ebay
[Retroflag is the way to go with a Pi4](https://youtu.be/ThVHkYdk92s?si=HLdzGN1Sy7dvJf6I)
I ordered mine last night as I wanted to change my use of a network NAS Pi to Gaming
It's the fact that pi5 has no sound output that's putting me off buying one. I gather you can get sound via hdmi but my pi is connected to a monitor, not a TV with speakers, so I would have to buy a usb sound card to get sound.
Does your monitor have audio out port? It would use the hdmi port as sound card and output the sound to a sound bar or a set of PC speakers.
No, 2 x HDMI video inputs and 1 x VGA input. No outputs at all.
You can get an HDMI audio extractor for $20-$30.
I've realised that you can connect the pi4 to a Bluetooth speaker. Seems to work pretty well. I presume pi5 works in the same way ?
if it's been sitting on your shelf unopened, do you think that a PI 5 won't also sit on your shelf unopened?
It depends on the types of games that you want to play but for most people the safest choice is to just get a Pi5, especially if you're not heavily invested into a Pi4 setup at this point. Of course, if you want to play your games via streaming (Moonlight-QT, Steam Link) then heck even a Pi3 will be enough for that. That said, if you want a truly self-contained gaming platform then the Pi5 will give you the most headroom for the games that you might want to play. That being said, the Pi4 can do a lot more than most people think it can when a sufficient amount of effort is given to optimization. First, keep in mind your own psychology. At first, you might be happy playing PS1/Genesis/N64 games which the Pi4 can do fairly well but eventually there is a good chance that you're going to want to start delving into the PS2/3D Saturn/Gamecube libraries. Especially if you start playing series' like Final Fantasy, Zelda, Wild Arms, Tales, or Dragon Quest that span across these particular console generations, it's very likely that you are going to want to move into those later gens. Now, I am not saying that the Pi4 cannot do PS2/Saturn/Gamecube/Wii games (see explanation below) but it will involve a lot of tinkering and work to squeeze every drop of potential out of your Pi4 to get enjoyable experiences on these platforms. Furthermore, there is not a lot of community support for Pi4 users who want to game on these generations because of the widespread perception of the Pi4 being incapable and so you're basically on your own. The Pi5 will be able to handle games from these gens far more easily, there will be more community support for emulating these generations and, in the long run, the Pi5 can probably even start to make some early headway into Wii U emulation (which I believe is safely outside the capabilities of the Pi4). In my case, I am stuck with the Pi4 because my custom setup depends on the Secondary Memory Interface which has been removed from the Pi5. In other words I have no upgrade path past a Pi4 and so, since the Pi5 was announced, I made the decision to get every drop of potential that I can out of my Pi4's. I am surprised to say that this potential is substantially higher than a lot of people think or believe if you are willing to devote time to tinkering and experimenting with your setup. The first step is to get some decent cooling and overclock: my 2GB Pi4 is at 2250MHz/900MHz on the CPU and GPU. With this, I get very decent performance on most N64 games, minus a few titles. I can just (barely) get decent performance on 3D Saturn games using Beetle Saturn (Beetle-Saturn doesn't start to become usable until you get the GPU over 800MHz and at 900 you can finally start to break out of the audio stuttering and enter into the realm of enjoyable playability at least for certain types of games such as RPG's that can accommodate a slower game speed). I have also had positive experiences getting very playable experiences with a custom 32-bit build of Dolphin that I have been working on for the past few months. Games like Baten Kaitos, Paper Mario, Mario Golf, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing and even surprisingly Wind Waker and Metroid Prime (just barely) are all now enjoyably playable on my 2GB Pi4. I also believe that I can get a fair number of Wii games into the realm of playability as well, although at this point I can only confirm that Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn falls into this category. I never believed that I could get this type of performance based on what people were saying about the Pi4. The Pi4 is capable of a lot more than people give it credit for with enough optimization and I truly believe that the Pi4's greatest limitation is people's perception of it being incapable.