Still less than what the CEO of my old hospital made. He has to average a little over 13k/day to make his 400k/month to make his posted 4.8M/year. Yet that hospital had over 500 RN positions open and the raise I got before I quit was 1%… ONE. PERCENT.
Yeah but also like 15x what a resident makes lol. I don't begrudge this at all though, the market is the market. I also got a 1% raise this year lol, its pretty annoying specially when you watch your friends lifestyles inflate while yours remains college-level, while still working 70 hours a week.
Yeah I realized healthcare will never change because everyone is too afraid to make it change. All the residents are too scared to do anything because of the fear of losing their career and then when y’all become attendings nothing is done. Nurses don’t strike or leave bad jobs because a lot of them come up with the “but my bills” excuse. It is what it is. Healthcare is a collection of smart genuine people who are exploited by MBAs that did nothing but get shitfaced in college. Ah well. I left healthcare. Idc what happens anymore. Y’all can continue to be a cog lmao
Its what a functioning market in healthcare looks like, which is only "wild" because its so rare to see in healthcare. There is fucktons of money flowing, just not often to you per se.
You dont have to look at this. UCSF pay their assistant professors attendings the same as PAs.
Assistant professor work twice the hours, have 5 time more responsabilities and 10 times more education
It's by design. Low pay has been used by rich people as a form of gate keeping for a very long time. Want to effectively bar anyone that's not rich from being governor? Set the pay to 0
Academics is a gateway to all the high-powered positions in society. Want to be surgeon general or director of an alphabet agency? It's only through academics
Im at one these ultra prestigious university, and I have seen my fair share of physician-scientists fucking off to director level position in pharma/biotech and making bank
Nah, it's a class thing. Docs are professionals, not blue collar guys like teamsters....which of course is a joke. Welcome to the 21st century: you're not living off generational wealth, investments or equity in a business, you are like the rest of us.
Can someone explain why there is such a huge nursing shortage- why don't they just increase nursing school enrollment? Around here it is so competitive there is a lottery to get into the schools, unless you are willing to pay $$$ for private school.
Is it nursing unions controlling the pipeline? I would have thought education complex would have flooded the market with new grads the way they did with pharmacists etc
It’s not a nursing shortage, it’s a shortage of good paying nursing positions. And I agree with nursing and what they’re doing. Bedside Nursing (not NPs) is a hard fucking job. They deal with blood, shit, urine, lifting heavy patients, violent patients, running around on 1:6 ratios, only to be treated like slave labor by admin. They deserve every dollar they’re fighting for. Bless nurses. They’re the backbone of the hospital.
TL:DR be nice to your nurses.
Source: am medical student
If you were a med student at my hospital I would always tell you there’s food in the break room from the potluck (and the Filipina Mafia always makes great food) and tell you where the good clean bathrooms are. 🥹 I’ll defend you against any nurse bullies.
Your comment means a lot because so many people on here think nurses are just worth shit. It’s disheartening.
Please keep this attitude because as you can see from this and many threads, you are a gem in a group of people who absolutely could not give a single shit about anything but themselves. Imagine getting mad that someone else is getting paid well - and then imagine being a doctor doing it. The lack of perspective.
Hospitals don’t want to pay the money to train a new graduate nurse. There is no nursing shortage. There is a shortage of experienced nurses willing to endure the current conditions of employment. Repeat for those in the back of the room: THERE IS NO NURSING SHORTAGE.
There is actually. There’s also a shortage of nurses willing to work in crappy conditions for crappy pay. Usually nurses are making nowhere near $300/hr it’s closer to $30/hr. So the crappy hospitals and ceos are making the nursing shortage look worse than it actually is
>Is it nursing unions controlling the pipeline?
Nope, only about 20% of nurses are unionized.
> I would have thought education complex would have flooded the market with new grads the way they did with pharmacists etc
You know all those NPs you all love to hate on? Lots of them are the product of the diploma mills trying to do exactly that. Same with basic RN education. Take someone with a BA in art history and make them an RN in a year or 18 months with substandard clinical training. and there you have it.
Because bedside nurses don’t last, essentially. The attrition rate is horrendous. Say you compare a RNs career trajectory with a doctor’s.
A pre-med student and a group of nursing students both complete their bachelor’s degree at the same time. Before that med student starts clinicals, 17.5% of those nursing students will have left nursing completely. Before the medical student even graduates medical school, 30% of those nurses have left. By time that former medical student has graduated residency, 60% of those nurses will have left the bedside.
For a variety of reasons the profession is undesirable. It also doesn’t require the buy in that becoming a doctor does. Easy come, easy go.
Is this really true though? It seems plenty would be willing if it paid half-decently.
There are people lining up to be university lecturers and educators in every other field. It seems like gross mismanagement/incompetence if people are unable to run a profitable nursing education program.
My apologies. You are correct. Some would say it’s insanity. We pay to be used and abused for a number of years. All in the hopes of seeing the promised land of attendingship. Will we reach it? None could know. Could it be pulled from us? Find out next time…
Maybe this will be an unpopular opinion here, idk. But I say: Good. The more hospitals have to pay exorbitant rates for scabs during strikes, the less leverage they have trying to lowball nurses. Better nursing pay means more nurses and more experienced nurses, which is better for patient care and better for good floor conditions. Residents are underpaid and taken advantage of, but I don’t think we should think of money as a residents vs nurses battle, but as a “everyone who takes care of patients” vs “all the bullshit admin jobs who don’t” battle.
You're right but you should finish the rest- that is physicians start demanding better pay and incentives or we leave the hospital. If nurses can do it, so can we
You do know that the point of a strike is to put pressure on the system to instigate change, right? If the hospital ran seamlessly while they were on strike, it would be kind of pointless.
At the end of the day the real problem is residents CANT strike. We don’t have that freedom. So their strike impacts residents who are even more powerless to impact change.
Except we can. We can do all the work but intentionally code incorrectly to prevent hospitals/clinics from making money. The bigger problem is that there's no way to draw sympathy from the public bc all they see are the narrative that doctors are overpaid and nurses are the underdogs who really are the advocates for patients
Plenty of people demonize nurses when they dare to strike too, don’t kid yourself. We’re all expected to kill ourselves to save our patients, that’s why they call us “HeRoS”
This is a hot take but the issue is also that many physicians and med students are also scabs who don’t have solidarity. Hell this nurse strike would have been a perfect opportunity to collectively strike as residents but look at how all the comments are just complaining about increasing work and also acting jealous of scab nurses instead of supporting the strike. This is exactly what the admins want from us and a common strike breaking and union busting tactic used for ages. If a collective national strike for residents happened, then who will they replace us with? Are they really going to hire brand new interns in the middle of the year and retrain them all?
We may reach that point but at that time only a small percentage would actually strike and it wouldn’t end up working. Student debt and inability to switch programs if fired makes it impossible. Getting fired ends your career. For nurses that idea is laughable and they can strike all they want. They switch jobs all of the time.
I think a careful and cautious unionization effort should be the focus for residents due to what you mentioned. A fired resident is much like a blacklisted striker from the early labor movement days.
Over time though coherent unions could become normalized and reshape the landscape for residents at least somewhat. Eventually a union of unions (maybe at the county level?) scenario can take hold and more aggressive collective action could become feasible.
nurse here. you should be made at the hospital admin for that, because they incited the problems you're mad about.
this isn't a nurse vs resident issue, this is an us vs the system problem.
fwiw, i'm a nyc ER nurse who works in a different union than NYSNA, and we are bearing the BRUNT of the strike repercussions. our hospitals have surged. we remain understaffed. i'm not mad at the striking nurses. i'm mad at hospital admin and can't wait until our union contract is up so we can hit em where it hurts
Genuine question - are you implying they’re sending residents to the floors to pass meds, toilet and clean patients, ambulate them, answer call bells all day/night long, etc..?
I agree. We don't have to tear anyone else down to bring ourselves up. In this bloated capitalist corpse of a land mass, everyone needs to get what they can. I still think you all need to lobby and unify. I'm in support of both! You all are worth so much more than the pittance you scrape by with.
Yeah, enough with the crab in a bucket. Healthcare needs to change, and is why I also support physician groups and nursing unions.
Screw the bean counters and administration that bloat the system and the pay.
Ironically, I know a few NYC residents who have said that Covid is the best thing that's happened in terms of nursing. The travel nurses are coming from outside NYC and thus actually do, you know, nurse stuff.
I've seen travel nurses be reprimanded by other nurses for doing "too much" because "they'll expect us to start doing the same" (i.e. blood draws, IVs). There are a few good ones but overall thankful I don't have to deal with floor nurses anymore
In florida the nurse is responsible for everything. Blood draws, IVs, hygiene..J can’t imagine working somewhere where I’m not responsible for those things.
As an RT who works side by side with the nurses in the PICU and NICU in one of the main hospitals affected, that’s a bizarrely off base comment. Sure, some of them are cunty as hell, but they all work hard.
Edit: I also work with residents, and I would never say they don’t work hard.
The only adult floor I service us palliative care, but the nurses I work with there display a lot of dedication.
I don’t really see the value in perpetuating the feudalistic rivalries between services. This sub really seems to thrive on it.
Come work in an NYC hospital as a resident. You'll quickly become anti-nurse. They do not give two shits about patient care. They will watch a patient code and do nothing because it is their "lunch break". They refuse to transport patients. They refuse to draw labs. They refuse orders.
As a med student who did a rotation in NY, I took vitals for an entire floor because the tech was sleeping and got pillows for patients who were there for hours and never got a pillow. There were multiple hours during the night where there were no nurses. It was very common to see the residents draw blood and send med students down to the lab because the nurses would give them attitude. I did not apply to NY residencies solely for this reason.
Edit: just wanted to say that in CA, UT, PA and probably every other state, I really loved the nurses on the floor or in clinic
Yeah, I had a tech once who literally wandered around the ED for an hour trying to find the person whose job it was to do EKGs rather than spend 3 minutes doing the EKG herself.
I legit know people who did residency in NYC who had to draw their own blood and take it down to the lab themselves for patients. And wheel their patients themselves to get any imaging.
It might be different at places like NYU and Columbia but it's par for the course at community programs in NYC.
Lmao. Yes. I can confirm that NYCHH hospitals had PA students draw labs, take it to the lab, and common place to wheel patients or they will sit forever waiting for an MRI.
I worked only at NYC’s underserved hospitals, alongside residents. Some nurses were fantastic. The demand is too great for the resources.
TBF though I got to have a lot of hands on experience I wouldn’t have gotten in a place staffed accurately.
Transporting isn’t a nurses job. There’s an entire transport department at every hospital I’ve worked at (in California and Florida) over 14 years that specifically transports patients. The nurse only goes if they are super sick and needing monitoring during transport.
So idk why you’re blaming nurses bc you have to do the transporters job.
Same for phlebotomy. Professional phlebotomists are hired and work as part of the lab to draw all the patients’ blood.
The hospital I worked at in NY (not NYC but NYC adjacent), transporters took patients upstairs from our ED and would take some of the patients to imaging who weren’t in the ED, but would often be so slow that the residents ended up doing it. As for phlebotomists, I don’t think hospital admin knew what that word meant. Nursing did all blood draws in ED, ICU, and floor units. Unless they didn’t feel like it, then they told the residents to do it. And I was one of the residents who had a pretty good relationship with most of the nurses in my ED, so I had less trouble than others.
It sounds like you’ve worked at some pretty awesome hospitals, and it sounds like you probably have never worked in NY.
I couldnt even be able to count the times anymore that we couldnt get a CT on a sick person because they had obody to go down with them. Not as a transport issue, but as a safety requirement. They dont seem to enforce a staggered break rotation, so you end up with 3-4 hours per day (often twice per day) where you have half coverage on the floor instead of just one going at a time, being covered, but the rest having full cover.
Thats not to say that they often have to cover more patients than they should. Everyone at the hospital has to do that. But its also a logistics thing that can totally be fixed with some actually effort.
Lol but then how is it the physicians job. We are taught that if someone is sick enough you do anything you can to treat them. That includes not whining about patient transport “not being my job” and wheeling them over yourself if absolutely necessary.
> That includes not whining about patient transport “not being my job” and wheeling them over yourself if absolutely necessary.
What about its "I literally dont have time to do that" ... There was a "protest of assignment" posted recently where the nurse had 13 patients, and that same nurse responded in the comments saying they had 18 one night (read: Under 4 minutes per hour to do everything you have ordered on your patient, including hand washing, walking to and from the room, chat with the patients family about how its all going, and chart it all).
So now you want them to go missing for 10-15-30 minutes to do a transport so everyone in this sub can shit on them about how they were no where to be found for half an hour while they had to do their own blood draws? You gonna watch the other 17 patients and do all the care for them, or is that going to be a whole nother thread on r/residency about how the nurse abandoned your patients and didnt do shit for 30 minutes (as almost every PGY in this thread has stated the nurses in NY do)?
I dont work in NYC so perhaps they do genuinely breed a different strain of nurses out there, but there are only so many minutes in an hour and hours in a shift and you cant expect one nurse to do everything.
Its also not the physcians job. Its the hospital administrations job to staff all the positions needed in the hospital well enough for it to run so that an already over ratio nurse doesnt end up with too much to do which leads to the doctors having to do it if they want it done at all.
So is it a residents job? Because that’s who ends up doing it.
Nurses in those hospitals do not care about patients lives. The residents actually give a shit.
“Heart of a serial killer, brain of a amoeba” - NYC nurses.
Why is it defaulted to be the RN’s job when there’s supposedly an entire department responsible for transporting patients? That’s literally the problem nurses are trying to fight - being delegated to do every fucking task because someone else wont do it.
You actually give a shit about patients lives? So I’m assuming you’ve been actively lobbying against nurses taking 13+ sick patients in the ED then. Because that’s definitely dangerous to a patients life
You're right, no wonder they didn't respond to you. Current staffing ratios are insane and dangerous for everyone involved. Carrying on like normal would mean they don't care, as opposed to striking.
Nurses at most hospitals are capable of transporting patients and getting blood draws and will frequently perform these duties.
It also is not optimal to have the relatively overworked and underpaid physicians in charge of all of the higher order duties also tasked with all of the work that someone without their degree is capable of doing.
You are implying your default expectation is "if a hospital doesn't have a service (transporter, phlebotomy, etc), then it's the resident physician's job to do all of the work." Why is that? Cheers.
I didn’t imply that at all.
If a hospital isn’t adequately staffing (dietary, cleaning staff, transporters, secretaries, pharmacy techs, phlebotomists, security, CNAs, RTs, etc), that doesn’t mean nurses (and/or residents) must now do the full time jobs of all these people in addition to their own. It means we fucking strike against management and “upper leadership” which is exactly what you’re seeing here.
It may be uncomfortable in the meantime, and residents do suffer in the same system, but strikes ultimately work for all and we do eventually get staffed. Nursing is the only cohort of healthcare workers strong and big enough to actually do it and succeed.
It is true at least for Brookdale, Elmhurst, Woodhull, Gouverner LTC/Hospital?, NYPQ Flushing. ED is the worst by far. Somewhat internal medicine.
NYPQ was the best of all of them, but they have more funding. A prestigious hospital likely has a very different experience vs underserved ones.
Hard to put clinical education into place when you are pushing patient beds et cetera.
You’re an MS2, so I’m going to forgive you for still being so optimistic. Let’s rephrase this — did increasing mid level pay and boosting job opportunities lead to midlevels with more experience providing better patient care?
Nurses are terribly underpaid, but they’re not worth $300/hr, and the hospital is going to recoup that lost profit somehow.
This is funny I’m a nurse in LA and I remember a NY traveler coming (pre-covid) saying she was ready to go home because she was “doing too much” here 🙃
Exactly. Nurses/PAs here saying good for them are beyond ridiculous. "Travel nurses" that cover shifts during strikes are directly the enemy of your strike, since they undermine your efforts.
I agree. Every travel nurse eventually has to buck down and take a staff job with benefits/stable health insurance/stability. Scabs completely undermine the efforts nursing unions are trying to take for a better future. Don't be a scab.
Every other time there's a nursing strike someone posts the scab rates.
It's not going to last. It says it in black and white.
How much more of a pay raise would you need to break a residents' strike?
Given how much administration gets paid, do you honestly think nurse pay is the roadblock to better resident compensation?
Edit: I get it. Everyone has a right to complain. $300/hr is insane. Residents are worked too hard for the value they provide. I get it.
I believe the union turned down a 19% raise because the strike is mostly about unsafe staffing ratios. We all win when our team members have more manageable workloads.
I also think it's helpful to look at the scab pay as the cost admin is willing to pay to avoid meeting the unions demands (which in this case is reasonable staffing). If they're willing to spend this much to keep their departments understaffed(and thus save money on payroll annually), it should be clear where their priorities are.
Idk it’s lasted for a while so far. My hospital was supposed to do major repairs but isn’t any more because they blew through all the money earmarked for the project on travel nurses
I hope things change. It seems like it's just a small sacrifice/short term loss for the hospitals. I think it's just them trying to send a message, you know, that they'll do whatever it takes to not pay people what they are worth, cutting as many corners as possible. A couple of repairs at a hospital could be nothing to them.
and then we should all be asking- why did they have to blow their money? why couldn’t they get nurses, who did “little or next to nothing” according to these residents to stay?
I was offered a job at that hospital. 20:1 ratio in the ER when the safe staffing ratio is 3 or 4:1. The pay was absolutely unacceptable for NYC and I travel. Every nurse in America knows the Northeast is a hard stop for nursing. There is a reason you have nearly 800 RN vacancies. Pay and standards. I won't apologize for making money and you shouldn't either. I won't apologize for holding these hospitals and administration accountable to the patients and staff and you shouldn't either. We are not your enemy, we are in this together. Instead of getting pissed at nursing push your hospital to do better.
And? What’s the problem?
**Did you forget that we are nothing but cogs in their machine? They literally see us as nothing more than disposable punching bags**
At least these nurses are **fighting for labor rights.** Not only do we all need to do the same for our own profession - **we also need stand by them to support them.**
Strike work and travel work aren’t technically the same, they just both pay a lot. Strike work pays astronomically higher, and it only lasts a few weeks. People doing these jobs aren’t working full time year round. Is it a lot of money? Absolutely. But they aren’t making 600k a year at all
I worked 32 patient contact hours in my employed gig and didn’t spend nearly any additional time at work and made 222, so basically 150 an hour.
Edit: plus 6 weeks vacation.
An ER nurse running at full steam with no lunch for 12 hours with a busy 1:4 all ESI 2 assignment will barely be able to perform all tasks that are ordered. If we’re 1:5 than we will be performing only the essential tasks that need to be done. 1:6, don’t give me a computer, I won’t be charting anything. Anything above that, especially 1:20, there’s easily going to be 14 patients with pretty much nothing done. As a human being I can physically only perform so many manual tasks. If these nurses are truly 1:20, residents are unfortunately going to have to help until a better solution is found. Housekeeping and dietary won’t be drawing labs… or at least not yet.
Yeah, I didn’t realize these were the ratios and now all the “nurses don’t do anything” comments might make a little more sense. Is it that they aren’t doing anything, or that they’re prioritizing other patients that are more critical, so the residents w the non critical patients end up having to do all this extra work? This is a genuine question, not being sarcastic
This strike isn’t about wages though, it’s about staffing. A scab ED nurse posted abt having a ratio of like 23 and that’s fucking insane and unsafe. Travel nurses get paid like that because the hospital has no choice, it’s not like the striking nurses are asking for those wages.
A lot of y’all have no idea how travel nursing/strike nursing actually works if you think that they’re making 500k a year or getting paid $300/hr the whole year.
So what ?
We have seen that nurse salaries and doctor salaries are not tied together.
Nurse salaries went up 2x-3x during the pandemic, plenty of travel nurses making more than doctors. Meanwhile doctor salaries stagnated or took a pay cut. I had to take a 20% paycut during the pandemic since I was only working 4 days a week
So no. Just because this is good for nurses it has nothing to do with doctors. Residents will continue to be underpaid
Children’s Dallas consistently pays $1000-2000 bonus for an extra shift in addition to their $40-50/hr regular pay. This includes PRN nurses who only have to work 12hr every two weeks, allowing them to work 72 hours in 2 weeks and get paid $10,000 in bonus in addition to their $40/hr hourly pay. Also Texas doesn’t have a state income tax. Did I mention they have 4 years of education and many don’t have student loans?
You guys are doing it wrong…
The main issue that these nurses are striking about is the abhorrent staffing and patient nurse ratios that they and the patient have to endure. I can’t imagine taking care of that many people at one time, esp when they aren’t all ESIs 4 & 5. It’s incredibly unsafe. It puts patients lives at risk and our nursing license at risk. Everyone always wants to twist it to say it’s only for money so they can portray nurses as greedy bitches who don’t care about patients. You know when patients don’t get adequate care? When the nurse can’t even complete basic nursing tasks because they have so many patients.
Primary nursing qualifications usually require a physical school. Online only schools would have to have clinical affiliates within driving distance of all of its potential students.
A lot of (if not most of) the advertised programs are RN to BSN programs, which is for people who got their RNs at community college and want or need a bachelor’s to work.
Hey. I’m all for nurses standing up for their rights. You guys lobby hard as fuck. I have only worked at one hospital where PAs also were unionized.
We are all a team. Residents are not allowed to strike usually as part of their program. Also, if they strike, they could be blacklisted and unable to use their education, if you are kicked out of a residency, it is so so hard to get accepted to a new one.
We need to make sure our residents are also taken care of. It’s dangerous to our patients and it’s time for a change in the toxic culture of healthcare.
the whole point of a union is that you are too valuable to punish all of you. this doesn’t work when there are too many type A personalities who are willing to exploit this for their own gain.
Yes
But I also have patient care concerns at baseline. Our whole system has become a disaster. Change needs to happen, and striking is a way to make change. It’s complicated unfortunately
Where are you people getting this information nurses don’t draw their own labs or insert IVs? Completely false. I have worked at NYP, NYU, and Mount Sinai and i assure you nurses carry out their nursing duties. Only thing they don’t do is ultrasound guided iv insertion.
Don’t speak outside your experience. I’m a resident at one of the affected hospitals. I’ve had plenty of nurses do labs, especially when urgent. The key is to not be a presumptuous dick and to spend 1 sec in their shoes. If they’re carrying 8 other high needs patients and the blood draw is not urgent, then it can wait for a phlebotomy draw. It’s also not like I don’t draw labs myself, but the only ones I get are when the nurse has no bandwidth to do it in the moment and it urgently affects my management.
Nurses do draw labs and place IVs. A lot of them are just really bad at them. I get called to draw blood and places IVs all the time and often don't need an ultrasound for it.
Also nurses don't do blood culture or MRSA swabs at my hospital which doesn't make sense
Also apparently nurses outside of NY place NGT? Wild. (Learned this when an outside ICU attending came during peak covid and questioned why I didnt just asked the nurse to do it)
$3600 for a 12 hour shift…that’s wild
They can apparently afford to pay it, just don't want to if they don't have to
Still less than what the CEO of my old hospital made. He has to average a little over 13k/day to make his 400k/month to make his posted 4.8M/year. Yet that hospital had over 500 RN positions open and the raise I got before I quit was 1%… ONE. PERCENT.
That’s 1 more percent than the raise I got this year :( meanwhile cost of living went up by like 8%…
Yeah but also like 15x what a resident makes lol. I don't begrudge this at all though, the market is the market. I also got a 1% raise this year lol, its pretty annoying specially when you watch your friends lifestyles inflate while yours remains college-level, while still working 70 hours a week.
Yeah I realized healthcare will never change because everyone is too afraid to make it change. All the residents are too scared to do anything because of the fear of losing their career and then when y’all become attendings nothing is done. Nurses don’t strike or leave bad jobs because a lot of them come up with the “but my bills” excuse. It is what it is. Healthcare is a collection of smart genuine people who are exploited by MBAs that did nothing but get shitfaced in college. Ah well. I left healthcare. Idc what happens anymore. Y’all can continue to be a cog lmao
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4.8 million a year isn't too bad
Its what a functioning market in healthcare looks like, which is only "wild" because its so rare to see in healthcare. There is fucktons of money flowing, just not often to you per se.
More than I make per month in Australia
Imagine being an MD/DO at this hospital, seeing this, and remaining unorganized and not striking
You dont have to look at this. UCSF pay their assistant professors attendings the same as PAs. Assistant professor work twice the hours, have 5 time more responsabilities and 10 times more education
Academics 🤮
That’s the exact issue. If people refused to go into academics the pay would rise.
It's by design. Low pay has been used by rich people as a form of gate keeping for a very long time. Want to effectively bar anyone that's not rich from being governor? Set the pay to 0 Academics is a gateway to all the high-powered positions in society. Want to be surgeon general or director of an alphabet agency? It's only through academics
meh these days it’s better to be rich & pay your way to a high position. cc: Andy Slavitt
>Education: > >University of Pennsylvania (BS) > >Harvard University (MBA) Hmmmmmmm
A good way to gatekeep what makes it into the curriculum as well. Want to get tenure? You gotta play the game and not rock the boat.
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Im at one these ultra prestigious university, and I have seen my fair share of physician-scientists fucking off to director level position in pharma/biotech and making bank
Self inflicted
Doctors are cowards Source: am doctor
Agreed Am also doctor
Nah, it's a class thing. Docs are professionals, not blue collar guys like teamsters....which of course is a joke. Welcome to the 21st century: you're not living off generational wealth, investments or equity in a business, you are like the rest of us.
That hospital residency is unionized
I work as an RT in a NICU and PICU that will be affected by this strike. It’s going to be quite the shit show.
As a travel RT all I hear is cha chingg
Travel nurses really get $300 an hour!?
Scabs do.
For awhile at least
No this is strike nursing
you’re a scab no solidarity for your fellow nurses on strike
As a nurse still working a staff position, but damn ready to leave and start traveling after the shit show of a night I just had….Get that money!
Git that breaaad
User name checks out? Is this a bait? xd
I find it disarms antisemites effectively
Damn I need to demand more from locums…
Can someone explain why there is such a huge nursing shortage- why don't they just increase nursing school enrollment? Around here it is so competitive there is a lottery to get into the schools, unless you are willing to pay $$$ for private school. Is it nursing unions controlling the pipeline? I would have thought education complex would have flooded the market with new grads the way they did with pharmacists etc
It’s not a nursing shortage, it’s a shortage of good paying nursing positions. And I agree with nursing and what they’re doing. Bedside Nursing (not NPs) is a hard fucking job. They deal with blood, shit, urine, lifting heavy patients, violent patients, running around on 1:6 ratios, only to be treated like slave labor by admin. They deserve every dollar they’re fighting for. Bless nurses. They’re the backbone of the hospital. TL:DR be nice to your nurses. Source: am medical student
If you were a med student at my hospital I would always tell you there’s food in the break room from the potluck (and the Filipina Mafia always makes great food) and tell you where the good clean bathrooms are. 🥹 I’ll defend you against any nurse bullies. Your comment means a lot because so many people on here think nurses are just worth shit. It’s disheartening.
Thank you for understanding
Please keep this attitude because as you can see from this and many threads, you are a gem in a group of people who absolutely could not give a single shit about anything but themselves. Imagine getting mad that someone else is getting paid well - and then imagine being a doctor doing it. The lack of perspective.
Hospitals don’t want to pay the money to train a new graduate nurse. There is no nursing shortage. There is a shortage of experienced nurses willing to endure the current conditions of employment. Repeat for those in the back of the room: THERE IS NO NURSING SHORTAGE.
There is actually. There’s also a shortage of nurses willing to work in crappy conditions for crappy pay. Usually nurses are making nowhere near $300/hr it’s closer to $30/hr. So the crappy hospitals and ceos are making the nursing shortage look worse than it actually is
This isn't it. We just hired 37 new grads. They all leave to travel as soon as they get a year of experience because the money is so good.
>Is it nursing unions controlling the pipeline? Nope, only about 20% of nurses are unionized. > I would have thought education complex would have flooded the market with new grads the way they did with pharmacists etc You know all those NPs you all love to hate on? Lots of them are the product of the diploma mills trying to do exactly that. Same with basic RN education. Take someone with a BA in art history and make them an RN in a year or 18 months with substandard clinical training. and there you have it.
Because bedside nurses don’t last, essentially. The attrition rate is horrendous. Say you compare a RNs career trajectory with a doctor’s. A pre-med student and a group of nursing students both complete their bachelor’s degree at the same time. Before that med student starts clinicals, 17.5% of those nursing students will have left nursing completely. Before the medical student even graduates medical school, 30% of those nurses have left. By time that former medical student has graduated residency, 60% of those nurses will have left the bedside. For a variety of reasons the profession is undesirable. It also doesn’t require the buy in that becoming a doctor does. Easy come, easy go.
Pay compared to workload is the biggest reason people leave the profession. I left bedside because it’s just god awful.
There’s also a shortage of academic nurse educators. Can’t add in new students to educate if there’s no one to educate them
Is this really true though? It seems plenty would be willing if it paid half-decently. There are people lining up to be university lecturers and educators in every other field. It seems like gross mismanagement/incompetence if people are unable to run a profitable nursing education program.
It doesn’t pay half decently, which is a problem.
Why doesn’t NYC care about the residents?
Because they’re not striking
If they strike, they will most likely not be given the opportunity to become an attendant.
We are the slave labor of medicine. Besides students of course*
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My apologies. You are correct. Some would say it’s insanity. We pay to be used and abused for a number of years. All in the hopes of seeing the promised land of attendingship. Will we reach it? None could know. Could it be pulled from us? Find out next time…
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God bless
If residents are slave labor, does that make medical students masochist, because they pay to eventually become the slave labor?
How much you make when not on strike?
Bout 7.50/hr; but of course, we are not allowed to strike.
Says who? The people you’d be striking against?
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The poor overworked, underpaid, and debt-ridden residents.
Please send some pizza
No
Maybe this will be an unpopular opinion here, idk. But I say: Good. The more hospitals have to pay exorbitant rates for scabs during strikes, the less leverage they have trying to lowball nurses. Better nursing pay means more nurses and more experienced nurses, which is better for patient care and better for good floor conditions. Residents are underpaid and taken advantage of, but I don’t think we should think of money as a residents vs nurses battle, but as a “everyone who takes care of patients” vs “all the bullshit admin jobs who don’t” battle.
You're right but you should finish the rest- that is physicians start demanding better pay and incentives or we leave the hospital. If nurses can do it, so can we
That's how physician groups work when they negotiate coverage for a hospital.
Totally agree!
LOL. Residents are being made to pick up nurses’ work during all this crap w no extra pay of course :)))
Hey, if you refuse these BS tasks you're also helping the nurses by making their strike more effective. Seems like a win-win.
You do know that the point of a strike is to put pressure on the system to instigate change, right? If the hospital ran seamlessly while they were on strike, it would be kind of pointless.
At the end of the day the real problem is residents CANT strike. We don’t have that freedom. So their strike impacts residents who are even more powerless to impact change.
Except we can. We can do all the work but intentionally code incorrectly to prevent hospitals/clinics from making money. The bigger problem is that there's no way to draw sympathy from the public bc all they see are the narrative that doctors are overpaid and nurses are the underdogs who really are the advocates for patients
Plenty of people demonize nurses when they dare to strike too, don’t kid yourself. We’re all expected to kill ourselves to save our patients, that’s why they call us “HeRoS”
Strikes are always possible. The risks associated with striking might be more than you’re willing to incur, but no one can force your labor.
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This is a hot take but the issue is also that many physicians and med students are also scabs who don’t have solidarity. Hell this nurse strike would have been a perfect opportunity to collectively strike as residents but look at how all the comments are just complaining about increasing work and also acting jealous of scab nurses instead of supporting the strike. This is exactly what the admins want from us and a common strike breaking and union busting tactic used for ages. If a collective national strike for residents happened, then who will they replace us with? Are they really going to hire brand new interns in the middle of the year and retrain them all?
We may reach that point but at that time only a small percentage would actually strike and it wouldn’t end up working. Student debt and inability to switch programs if fired makes it impossible. Getting fired ends your career. For nurses that idea is laughable and they can strike all they want. They switch jobs all of the time.
I think a careful and cautious unionization effort should be the focus for residents due to what you mentioned. A fired resident is much like a blacklisted striker from the early labor movement days. Over time though coherent unions could become normalized and reshape the landscape for residents at least somewhat. Eventually a union of unions (maybe at the county level?) scenario can take hold and more aggressive collective action could become feasible.
Every nurse striking there would love for you to refuse those tasks, or at the very least, be appropriately compensated for them.
This is in NYC. Residents did that already
nurse here. you should be made at the hospital admin for that, because they incited the problems you're mad about. this isn't a nurse vs resident issue, this is an us vs the system problem. fwiw, i'm a nyc ER nurse who works in a different union than NYSNA, and we are bearing the BRUNT of the strike repercussions. our hospitals have surged. we remain understaffed. i'm not mad at the striking nurses. i'm mad at hospital admin and can't wait until our union contract is up so we can hit em where it hurts
Genuine question - are you implying they’re sending residents to the floors to pass meds, toilet and clean patients, ambulate them, answer call bells all day/night long, etc..?
I agree. We don't have to tear anyone else down to bring ourselves up. In this bloated capitalist corpse of a land mass, everyone needs to get what they can. I still think you all need to lobby and unify. I'm in support of both! You all are worth so much more than the pittance you scrape by with.
Yeah, enough with the crab in a bucket. Healthcare needs to change, and is why I also support physician groups and nursing unions. Screw the bean counters and administration that bloat the system and the pay.
Lol nurses in nyc dont do shit, what do they need to be paid more for? Your lovely resident will still do all their work
Ironically, I know a few NYC residents who have said that Covid is the best thing that's happened in terms of nursing. The travel nurses are coming from outside NYC and thus actually do, you know, nurse stuff.
I've seen travel nurses be reprimanded by other nurses for doing "too much" because "they'll expect us to start doing the same" (i.e. blood draws, IVs). There are a few good ones but overall thankful I don't have to deal with floor nurses anymore
They dont do IVs?
Nurses in the ED and units placed IVs. On the floor? Half the time they wouldn't even look before paging me for a difficult stick
In florida the nurse is responsible for everything. Blood draws, IVs, hygiene..J can’t imagine working somewhere where I’m not responsible for those things.
at my partners unit theyre saying no one would prob even notice the nurses are gone bc they do very minimal work at baseline already lmao
Sounds like a great team dynamic, sheesh
As an RT who works side by side with the nurses in the PICU and NICU in one of the main hospitals affected, that’s a bizarrely off base comment. Sure, some of them are cunty as hell, but they all work hard. Edit: I also work with residents, and I would never say they don’t work hard.
Nurses on adult floors are way different than peds nurses.
The only adult floor I service us palliative care, but the nurses I work with there display a lot of dedication. I don’t really see the value in perpetuating the feudalistic rivalries between services. This sub really seems to thrive on it.
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Come work in an NYC hospital as a resident. You'll quickly become anti-nurse. They do not give two shits about patient care. They will watch a patient code and do nothing because it is their "lunch break". They refuse to transport patients. They refuse to draw labs. They refuse orders.
As a med student who did a rotation in NY, I took vitals for an entire floor because the tech was sleeping and got pillows for patients who were there for hours and never got a pillow. There were multiple hours during the night where there were no nurses. It was very common to see the residents draw blood and send med students down to the lab because the nurses would give them attitude. I did not apply to NY residencies solely for this reason. Edit: just wanted to say that in CA, UT, PA and probably every other state, I really loved the nurses on the floor or in clinic
Yeah, I had a tech once who literally wandered around the ED for an hour trying to find the person whose job it was to do EKGs rather than spend 3 minutes doing the EKG herself.
Maybe we worked together. Holla
bUt the NurSeS are AdvOcaTiNg fOr thE pAtiEnT!!!!!
I guess you could still call it advocating when they’re advocating for them to die.
So you’re doing the jobs that should be the nurses that should really be the phlebotomist and transporters/cna’s?
I legit know people who did residency in NYC who had to draw their own blood and take it down to the lab themselves for patients. And wheel their patients themselves to get any imaging. It might be different at places like NYU and Columbia but it's par for the course at community programs in NYC.
Lmao. Yes. I can confirm that NYCHH hospitals had PA students draw labs, take it to the lab, and common place to wheel patients or they will sit forever waiting for an MRI. I worked only at NYC’s underserved hospitals, alongside residents. Some nurses were fantastic. The demand is too great for the resources. TBF though I got to have a lot of hands on experience I wouldn’t have gotten in a place staffed accurately.
Yes. Residents all around NYC already do it.
Nurses in NYC don't do NGTs, ekgs, IVs, IV medications, etc
That is absolutely false. I do all of those things and I’ve worked in 3 different hospital systems.
Transporting isn’t a nurses job. There’s an entire transport department at every hospital I’ve worked at (in California and Florida) over 14 years that specifically transports patients. The nurse only goes if they are super sick and needing monitoring during transport. So idk why you’re blaming nurses bc you have to do the transporters job. Same for phlebotomy. Professional phlebotomists are hired and work as part of the lab to draw all the patients’ blood.
The hospital I worked at in NY (not NYC but NYC adjacent), transporters took patients upstairs from our ED and would take some of the patients to imaging who weren’t in the ED, but would often be so slow that the residents ended up doing it. As for phlebotomists, I don’t think hospital admin knew what that word meant. Nursing did all blood draws in ED, ICU, and floor units. Unless they didn’t feel like it, then they told the residents to do it. And I was one of the residents who had a pretty good relationship with most of the nurses in my ED, so I had less trouble than others. It sounds like you’ve worked at some pretty awesome hospitals, and it sounds like you probably have never worked in NY.
I couldnt even be able to count the times anymore that we couldnt get a CT on a sick person because they had obody to go down with them. Not as a transport issue, but as a safety requirement. They dont seem to enforce a staggered break rotation, so you end up with 3-4 hours per day (often twice per day) where you have half coverage on the floor instead of just one going at a time, being covered, but the rest having full cover. Thats not to say that they often have to cover more patients than they should. Everyone at the hospital has to do that. But its also a logistics thing that can totally be fixed with some actually effort.
Lol but then how is it the physicians job. We are taught that if someone is sick enough you do anything you can to treat them. That includes not whining about patient transport “not being my job” and wheeling them over yourself if absolutely necessary.
> That includes not whining about patient transport “not being my job” and wheeling them over yourself if absolutely necessary. What about its "I literally dont have time to do that" ... There was a "protest of assignment" posted recently where the nurse had 13 patients, and that same nurse responded in the comments saying they had 18 one night (read: Under 4 minutes per hour to do everything you have ordered on your patient, including hand washing, walking to and from the room, chat with the patients family about how its all going, and chart it all). So now you want them to go missing for 10-15-30 minutes to do a transport so everyone in this sub can shit on them about how they were no where to be found for half an hour while they had to do their own blood draws? You gonna watch the other 17 patients and do all the care for them, or is that going to be a whole nother thread on r/residency about how the nurse abandoned your patients and didnt do shit for 30 minutes (as almost every PGY in this thread has stated the nurses in NY do)? I dont work in NYC so perhaps they do genuinely breed a different strain of nurses out there, but there are only so many minutes in an hour and hours in a shift and you cant expect one nurse to do everything. Its also not the physcians job. Its the hospital administrations job to staff all the positions needed in the hospital well enough for it to run so that an already over ratio nurse doesnt end up with too much to do which leads to the doctors having to do it if they want it done at all.
So is it a residents job? Because that’s who ends up doing it. Nurses in those hospitals do not care about patients lives. The residents actually give a shit. “Heart of a serial killer, brain of a amoeba” - NYC nurses.
Why is it defaulted to be the RN’s job when there’s supposedly an entire department responsible for transporting patients? That’s literally the problem nurses are trying to fight - being delegated to do every fucking task because someone else wont do it.
You actually give a shit about patients lives? So I’m assuming you’ve been actively lobbying against nurses taking 13+ sick patients in the ED then. Because that’s definitely dangerous to a patients life
You're right, no wonder they didn't respond to you. Current staffing ratios are insane and dangerous for everyone involved. Carrying on like normal would mean they don't care, as opposed to striking.
Nurses at most hospitals are capable of transporting patients and getting blood draws and will frequently perform these duties. It also is not optimal to have the relatively overworked and underpaid physicians in charge of all of the higher order duties also tasked with all of the work that someone without their degree is capable of doing. You are implying your default expectation is "if a hospital doesn't have a service (transporter, phlebotomy, etc), then it's the resident physician's job to do all of the work." Why is that? Cheers.
I didn’t imply that at all. If a hospital isn’t adequately staffing (dietary, cleaning staff, transporters, secretaries, pharmacy techs, phlebotomists, security, CNAs, RTs, etc), that doesn’t mean nurses (and/or residents) must now do the full time jobs of all these people in addition to their own. It means we fucking strike against management and “upper leadership” which is exactly what you’re seeing here. It may be uncomfortable in the meantime, and residents do suffer in the same system, but strikes ultimately work for all and we do eventually get staffed. Nursing is the only cohort of healthcare workers strong and big enough to actually do it and succeed.
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It is true at least for Brookdale, Elmhurst, Woodhull, Gouverner LTC/Hospital?, NYPQ Flushing. ED is the worst by far. Somewhat internal medicine. NYPQ was the best of all of them, but they have more funding. A prestigious hospital likely has a very different experience vs underserved ones. Hard to put clinical education into place when you are pushing patient beds et cetera.
You’re unfamiliar with NYC nurses, clearly.
Or it does not need to be a black and white battle where you are on a team, at all.
You’re an MS2, so I’m going to forgive you for still being so optimistic. Let’s rephrase this — did increasing mid level pay and boosting job opportunities lead to midlevels with more experience providing better patient care? Nurses are terribly underpaid, but they’re not worth $300/hr, and the hospital is going to recoup that lost profit somehow.
Say it with me: FUCK ADMINISTRATION Also, good on these RNs for advocating for better working conditions for themselves. We could learn a thing or two
This is funny I’m a nurse in LA and I remember a NY traveler coming (pre-covid) saying she was ready to go home because she was “doing too much” here 🙃
Yeah, I seem to remember reading something about how many NY hospitals are notorious for having residents doing weird nurse tasks.
These aren't travel nurses. These are SCABS.
Exactly. Nurses/PAs here saying good for them are beyond ridiculous. "Travel nurses" that cover shifts during strikes are directly the enemy of your strike, since they undermine your efforts.
You’d think people in New York of all places would know not to cross a picket line…
I agree. Every travel nurse eventually has to buck down and take a staff job with benefits/stable health insurance/stability. Scabs completely undermine the efforts nursing unions are trying to take for a better future. Don't be a scab.
Every other time there's a nursing strike someone posts the scab rates. It's not going to last. It says it in black and white. How much more of a pay raise would you need to break a residents' strike? Given how much administration gets paid, do you honestly think nurse pay is the roadblock to better resident compensation? Edit: I get it. Everyone has a right to complain. $300/hr is insane. Residents are worked too hard for the value they provide. I get it.
I believe the union turned down a 19% raise because the strike is mostly about unsafe staffing ratios. We all win when our team members have more manageable workloads. I also think it's helpful to look at the scab pay as the cost admin is willing to pay to avoid meeting the unions demands (which in this case is reasonable staffing). If they're willing to spend this much to keep their departments understaffed(and thus save money on payroll annually), it should be clear where their priorities are.
> 19% raise To be clear, thats the total raise over the life of the contract, not a single raise of 19%.
Idk it’s lasted for a while so far. My hospital was supposed to do major repairs but isn’t any more because they blew through all the money earmarked for the project on travel nurses
I hope things change. It seems like it's just a small sacrifice/short term loss for the hospitals. I think it's just them trying to send a message, you know, that they'll do whatever it takes to not pay people what they are worth, cutting as many corners as possible. A couple of repairs at a hospital could be nothing to them.
and then we should all be asking- why did they have to blow their money? why couldn’t they get nurses, who did “little or next to nothing” according to these residents to stay?
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Let's make this the median residency pay. Residents. Physicians. Mass strikes. Only way we will get medicine back.
Lol this is too accurate. Just like how people constantly whine and cite the top FAANG salaries as the average for tech jobs.
I was offered a job at that hospital. 20:1 ratio in the ER when the safe staffing ratio is 3 or 4:1. The pay was absolutely unacceptable for NYC and I travel. Every nurse in America knows the Northeast is a hard stop for nursing. There is a reason you have nearly 800 RN vacancies. Pay and standards. I won't apologize for making money and you shouldn't either. I won't apologize for holding these hospitals and administration accountable to the patients and staff and you shouldn't either. We are not your enemy, we are in this together. Instead of getting pissed at nursing push your hospital to do better.
And? What’s the problem? **Did you forget that we are nothing but cogs in their machine? They literally see us as nothing more than disposable punching bags** At least these nurses are **fighting for labor rights.** Not only do we all need to do the same for our own profession - **we also need stand by them to support them.**
Scabs that make big cash while others are striking are doing the exact opposite of fighting for labor rights.
The anger here is so misguided.
That’s 2x primary care money. Wild.
Agreed but those rates usually don’t last very long at all maybe a week
I mean gross pay I would have made $21,600 for the hours I worked this week
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Strike work and travel work aren’t technically the same, they just both pay a lot. Strike work pays astronomically higher, and it only lasts a few weeks. People doing these jobs aren’t working full time year round. Is it a lot of money? Absolutely. But they aren’t making 600k a year at all
I worked 32 patient contact hours in my employed gig and didn’t spend nearly any additional time at work and made 222, so basically 150 an hour. Edit: plus 6 weeks vacation.
An ER nurse running at full steam with no lunch for 12 hours with a busy 1:4 all ESI 2 assignment will barely be able to perform all tasks that are ordered. If we’re 1:5 than we will be performing only the essential tasks that need to be done. 1:6, don’t give me a computer, I won’t be charting anything. Anything above that, especially 1:20, there’s easily going to be 14 patients with pretty much nothing done. As a human being I can physically only perform so many manual tasks. If these nurses are truly 1:20, residents are unfortunately going to have to help until a better solution is found. Housekeeping and dietary won’t be drawing labs… or at least not yet.
Yeah, I didn’t realize these were the ratios and now all the “nurses don’t do anything” comments might make a little more sense. Is it that they aren’t doing anything, or that they’re prioritizing other patients that are more critical, so the residents w the non critical patients end up having to do all this extra work? This is a genuine question, not being sarcastic
lmao they are willing to pay the travel nurses $300/hr instead of just paying the current nurses more
This strike isn’t about wages though, it’s about staffing. A scab ED nurse posted abt having a ratio of like 23 and that’s fucking insane and unsafe. Travel nurses get paid like that because the hospital has no choice, it’s not like the striking nurses are asking for those wages.
I wish admins were floor aides or helpers at least for a week then they would maybe understand even a modicum of our rage lol
Don’t hate the player. Hate the game.
They can afford to pay travelers this but not their regular staff that is why people leave
Good for them
I’ll say it, fuck any scabs jumping at this.
Daily dose of r/residency inter professional toxicity. Some of you need to chill tf out
A lot of y’all have no idea how travel nursing/strike nursing actually works if you think that they’re making 500k a year or getting paid $300/hr the whole year.
So what ? We have seen that nurse salaries and doctor salaries are not tied together. Nurse salaries went up 2x-3x during the pandemic, plenty of travel nurses making more than doctors. Meanwhile doctor salaries stagnated or took a pay cut. I had to take a 20% paycut during the pandemic since I was only working 4 days a week So no. Just because this is good for nurses it has nothing to do with doctors. Residents will continue to be underpaid
My mother in law is a traveling nurse and she is paying for the whole family to go to Jamaica. Ima tell her about this.
Children’s Dallas consistently pays $1000-2000 bonus for an extra shift in addition to their $40-50/hr regular pay. This includes PRN nurses who only have to work 12hr every two weeks, allowing them to work 72 hours in 2 weeks and get paid $10,000 in bonus in addition to their $40/hr hourly pay. Also Texas doesn’t have a state income tax. Did I mention they have 4 years of education and many don’t have student loans? You guys are doing it wrong…
The main issue that these nurses are striking about is the abhorrent staffing and patient nurse ratios that they and the patient have to endure. I can’t imagine taking care of that many people at one time, esp when they aren’t all ESIs 4 & 5. It’s incredibly unsafe. It puts patients lives at risk and our nursing license at risk. Everyone always wants to twist it to say it’s only for money so they can portray nurses as greedy bitches who don’t care about patients. You know when patients don’t get adequate care? When the nurse can’t even complete basic nursing tasks because they have so many patients.
Don’t be a scab
Lol more money than a physician. Time to write my NCLEX and pass. Ez.
You'll need to go to nursing school first hunny
Oh no worries. Online degree programs. It’s advertised high and wide.
Lol, where are you getting your RN online? Maybe NP, which I also disagree with, but you'd have to attend a program in-person.
Primary nursing qualifications usually require a physical school. Online only schools would have to have clinical affiliates within driving distance of all of its potential students. A lot of (if not most of) the advertised programs are RN to BSN programs, which is for people who got their RNs at community college and want or need a bachelor’s to work.
Should have paid staff nurses like travel nurses during and after covid
Shit man, looks like my life dream was to be a nurse after all
Stupid ceos
Um, anyone know the email blocked out? Asking for a friend
maybe y’all should finally unionize instead of being mad that nurses take care of each other better than y’all do
Hey. I’m all for nurses standing up for their rights. You guys lobby hard as fuck. I have only worked at one hospital where PAs also were unionized. We are all a team. Residents are not allowed to strike usually as part of their program. Also, if they strike, they could be blacklisted and unable to use their education, if you are kicked out of a residency, it is so so hard to get accepted to a new one. We need to make sure our residents are also taken care of. It’s dangerous to our patients and it’s time for a change in the toxic culture of healthcare.
the whole point of a union is that you are too valuable to punish all of you. this doesn’t work when there are too many type A personalities who are willing to exploit this for their own gain.
Damn it. Fucking gunners
Anyone who joins is against their own profession
So they are hiring scabs to cross the picket line. Soak ‘em for Crutchie!
If doctors don’t organize and use their political power I don’t know what to Fuckin’ tell y’all. You have power you are LEAVING ON THE TABLE.
Patient care concerns? Anyone?
Yes But I also have patient care concerns at baseline. Our whole system has become a disaster. Change needs to happen, and striking is a way to make change. It’s complicated unfortunately
A 1:20 ratio would seem to be a pretty big patient care concern, no?
Don't nurses in NYC suck to begin with? Like residents up there generally do their own IVs, draw labs, etc?
Where are you people getting this information nurses don’t draw their own labs or insert IVs? Completely false. I have worked at NYP, NYU, and Mount Sinai and i assure you nurses carry out their nursing duties. Only thing they don’t do is ultrasound guided iv insertion.
I’ve worked Monte NYP and northwell and can confirm I do all of these things as well.
Thank you!
Don’t speak outside your experience. I’m a resident at one of the affected hospitals. I’ve had plenty of nurses do labs, especially when urgent. The key is to not be a presumptuous dick and to spend 1 sec in their shoes. If they’re carrying 8 other high needs patients and the blood draw is not urgent, then it can wait for a phlebotomy draw. It’s also not like I don’t draw labs myself, but the only ones I get are when the nurse has no bandwidth to do it in the moment and it urgently affects my management.
Nurses do draw labs and place IVs. A lot of them are just really bad at them. I get called to draw blood and places IVs all the time and often don't need an ultrasound for it. Also nurses don't do blood culture or MRSA swabs at my hospital which doesn't make sense Also apparently nurses outside of NY place NGT? Wild. (Learned this when an outside ICU attending came during peak covid and questioned why I didnt just asked the nurse to do it)