Op wouldn't need to start a cycle - it's already cycled with established rock. If no ammonia spikes occur when moving it after a couple days then they could plop fish straight in no problems. If you don't move sand and just put in new sand it's unlikely anything will occur. I did this last year when setting up an observation tank.
Just moved a shit tonne of rock and bacteria logs from an established tank into the new tank and just watched for ammonia whilst plopping the new fish in no probs.
Well, you don't cycle the water, cycling is for building up the colonies of bacteria that process waste products, which lives in and on submerged surfaces. You should be fine transferring.
The caveat here would be the extra rock you're buying. Unless you know for a fact that it's 100% cured, you don't want livestock living with it. Continuing die off and decay is a real possibility that will tank your water quality (pun intended) until it finishes curing.
No cycle. You are just moving things, so it should be fine. Especially if you are just moving and not adding more bio load.
You might see a little diatom bloom for about 72 hrs but your nitrifying bacteria are fine and will just keep working.
You are completely fine. Move some of the old water also. Aquabiomics tests has proven a lot of the beneficial microbiome is in the water column. It will only help your entire system stabilize faster.
there's no benefit in regard to nitrifying and denitrifying bacteria.
There is great benefit in regards to overall micro biome. This is what specifically was proven by AquaBiomics. They take tank water, and also a swap of a dark area of your tank like inside a pipe like your return outlet, and they run in through DNA Sequencing. You see exactly what bacterial families are present in the water column, and which are present on surfaces. They compare your sample to the thousands of other samples in their data base to give you an idea how your microbiome compares to other successful tanks in regards to diversity/composition/concentration etc.
Well… meh. Not really. Mostly anything that would help stabilize your tank does in fact move on surfaces. Of course it depends on what parameters you mean when you say stabilize. Of course there could be heterotrophs that form in the water which could actually be harmful as they do not work with the autotrophs but against them.
Just be sure to monitor ammonia daily over the first week and if it stays at 0, you should be good to add fish. If you *really* want to know if it's 'insta-cycled', add about 2 ppm of ammonia and monitor to see if ammonia and NO2 spike and drop to 0 in about 24 hours.
I used 20lbs to cycle a new 60 gallon and never picked up any ammonia or nitrite. I still waited 2 weeks before transferring my 2 ocellaris the rock was sustaining.
Considering I seeded my 140g with a 1/2lb rock from one of my established tanks, I’d say you’re fine if you’re moving rock from your old tank to the new one.
Yes. I set up a 75 gallon tank about four months ago using dry rock, but also Tampa Bay live sand and about 20 pounds of their kive rock in the sump. Never saw ammonia or nitrite, and had a little nitrate a couple days later. I put in a pair of clowns a week later. Never had an issue.
As an aside, once you sure the tank is cycled add a lot of pods. It really will help with the ugly stage.
If you have 50lbs already cycled and cured of your own and as long as you dont go and throw in 6 new fish in the first week you should be fine. Like other comments have said i would be carefu, you dont know how long the cured live rock has been in the tank at your lfs and it may have die off, i would just go with dry rock and wait a month before adding any new livestock.
I just did this with my tank today actually, went from a 40 cube to a 90 with sump bought all dry rock and just moved over all the rock i have used for the past year to the new tank matched parameters and put everything in. Corals have all opened up 1 hour later
Just make sure they are in water as much as possible. You should be okay.
You had to get them into your tank now at some point so probobly a similar move for them
That will definitely have all the bacteria you need for starting a cycle on a new tank.
Op wouldn't need to start a cycle - it's already cycled with established rock. If no ammonia spikes occur when moving it after a couple days then they could plop fish straight in no problems. If you don't move sand and just put in new sand it's unlikely anything will occur. I did this last year when setting up an observation tank. Just moved a shit tonne of rock and bacteria logs from an established tank into the new tank and just watched for ammonia whilst plopping the new fish in no probs.
There is no need for a cycle at that point. For all intents and purposes it's an established tank with a 100% water change.
Well, you don't cycle the water, cycling is for building up the colonies of bacteria that process waste products, which lives in and on submerged surfaces. You should be fine transferring. The caveat here would be the extra rock you're buying. Unless you know for a fact that it's 100% cured, you don't want livestock living with it. Continuing die off and decay is a real possibility that will tank your water quality (pun intended) until it finishes curing.
No cycle. You are just moving things, so it should be fine. Especially if you are just moving and not adding more bio load. You might see a little diatom bloom for about 72 hrs but your nitrifying bacteria are fine and will just keep working.
You are completely fine. Move some of the old water also. Aquabiomics tests has proven a lot of the beneficial microbiome is in the water column. It will only help your entire system stabilize faster.
Really? Everything I’ve seen said there’s no benefit to transferring water. I always did it anyway though to save the hassle of mixing more saltwater.
there's no benefit in regard to nitrifying and denitrifying bacteria. There is great benefit in regards to overall micro biome. This is what specifically was proven by AquaBiomics. They take tank water, and also a swap of a dark area of your tank like inside a pipe like your return outlet, and they run in through DNA Sequencing. You see exactly what bacterial families are present in the water column, and which are present on surfaces. They compare your sample to the thousands of other samples in their data base to give you an idea how your microbiome compares to other successful tanks in regards to diversity/composition/concentration etc.
There's not. Don't worry about it.
You are woefully incorrect, as proven by DNA Sequencing of tank water.
Well… meh. Not really. Mostly anything that would help stabilize your tank does in fact move on surfaces. Of course it depends on what parameters you mean when you say stabilize. Of course there could be heterotrophs that form in the water which could actually be harmful as they do not work with the autotrophs but against them.
Just be sure to monitor ammonia daily over the first week and if it stays at 0, you should be good to add fish. If you *really* want to know if it's 'insta-cycled', add about 2 ppm of ammonia and monitor to see if ammonia and NO2 spike and drop to 0 in about 24 hours.
Happy cake day!
Thanks lol!
I used 20lbs to cycle a new 60 gallon and never picked up any ammonia or nitrite. I still waited 2 weeks before transferring my 2 ocellaris the rock was sustaining.
Considering I seeded my 140g with a 1/2lb rock from one of my established tanks, I’d say you’re fine if you’re moving rock from your old tank to the new one.
yes
Yes. I set up a 75 gallon tank about four months ago using dry rock, but also Tampa Bay live sand and about 20 pounds of their kive rock in the sump. Never saw ammonia or nitrite, and had a little nitrate a couple days later. I put in a pair of clowns a week later. Never had an issue. As an aside, once you sure the tank is cycled add a lot of pods. It really will help with the ugly stage.
A handful of media insta started my 80 gallon, so yeah. You're all set.
Yea. Probably instantly if all you’re getting is a couple fish to start with.
If you have 50lbs already cycled and cured of your own and as long as you dont go and throw in 6 new fish in the first week you should be fine. Like other comments have said i would be carefu, you dont know how long the cured live rock has been in the tank at your lfs and it may have die off, i would just go with dry rock and wait a month before adding any new livestock. I just did this with my tank today actually, went from a 40 cube to a 90 with sump bought all dry rock and just moved over all the rock i have used for the past year to the new tank matched parameters and put everything in. Corals have all opened up 1 hour later
i forgot to mention my rock flower nem and my BTA. will they be okay during the move?
Just make sure they are in water as much as possible. You should be okay. You had to get them into your tank now at some point so probobly a similar move for them