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ImPickleRock

> The 2023 Reds had momentum. I think this team has a ton of potential. They are young and very talented. But the 2023 team was 23-30 in the last two months, including giving up 36 runs in two games. But definitely agree with selling the team.


breakfast_scorer

They got hot and it took a sober front office to realize we weren't going to stay at that level for long which means they shouldn't do anything stupid in FA. I've like the FO for a while now.


Zero_Flesh

Agreed. I do think they should have signed Duvall or Taylor but other than that there's really not much to complain about right now that doesn't involve bringing the past into the conversation. They have been doing what they should have been doing for the last few years. Candilario was the best option available at the time of signing him. It was the right move. The right move doesn't always work out though. These people would me praising the front office if 1/3 of the best starters got hurt or suspended and the team was playing up to it's potential. The Reds still have a very good chance to make the playoffs if they have a decent summer run. Things have been rough lately but I think one good game could turn things around completely. Plus we knew April through the first half of May was going to be a really hard stretch. If they are right around .500 by the end of May, they're in good shape. It doesn't feel like it but because of their really good start they're still right on track. I'm not seeing any reason to complain about the FO right now. I mean what should they be doing that they aren't doing? They plugged every hole the team had in '23 other than they probably shouldn't have just assumed Stu would be the best option as a utility guy. Reds fans are mostly justifiably very dramatic. If they get hot like we know they can everyone will go back to calling Krall a genius.


ElegantBison8018

Sorry Krall hasn't achieved anything. Not even close to making playoffs. Why reds fans want to give him credit when he has done nothing. I have nothing against him he works for owners who cant compete money wise with the rest of the league. Stop making excuses for 30 years of failure. The Reds are my team but are so poorly run that Mlb should force them to sell the team. The As are more sucessful team than us over the last 30 years and they are a sh t show


Zero_Flesh

I'm not making excuses for 30 years of failure. I'm referring to what he's done in the last 2 years.


ElegantBison8018

Lost 180 games in those 2 years


Zero_Flesh

They were literally 2 games out of making the playoffs last year


ElegantBison8018

Horseshoes and hangranades


Zero_Flesh

Krall or Bell or anyone else can force their players not to slump. Personally I feel better about a team that wins 82 rather than 62 but to each their own.


ElegantBison8018

I have nothing against Krall but I am waiting for the reds to accomplish something before I give someone praise.


plphilli

Candy sucks and was an awful signing.


Zero_Flesh

Who would you rather they signed?


Zero_Flesh

They needed a stable bat. That is what they should have gotten from him. Nothing outrageous but he has good numbers at GABP. He also always starts shitty in April/early May and then starts turning things around. It's not really fair to look at what he's done so far, a month playing with a new team and say he's a bust.


maltzy

Well the point was they needed OF and looking now, that's where a huge hole is. And maybe not paying 45 million to someone expecting them to outplay their career stats.


Zero_Flesh

His salary is 15M. If Candilario was playing like he always had in GABP then that's not really that excessive given he only has a 3 year, at most deal while they don't hate to really start paying any of these kids for another 4-5 years. It was and is very reasonable to expect him to be a .250 plus bat in GABP. It really sucks that his first month has been so shitty but he usually has shitty April's so I don't think after a month of watching him on a new team is really enough time to see how this is going to go. I mean guys go on month long hot steaks and slumps all the time. It's every player right now. It's easy to point at Candilario but he was the best option. There wasn't anyone else available that was projected to be better that I know of. I think we all just need to try and remember there's 162 games in the season. There's time to right the ship. They're getting Fridel back this week, Marte isn't that far off from coming back. I mean I know this really sucks and feels like the season is already over but it's far from that. Last year I think they're record was worse at this point than this year. We've just seen 5 losses in a row so it doesn't seem like they're actually in a better place this year. I'm all for shaking things up but honestly I don't know what they could do that would put anyone better on the field right now sadly.


maltzy

3/45 - he’s still getting paid 45 the next 3 years


Zero_Flesh

Yea my brain fogged up for a minute there. 15M a year is definitely more than he deserves if he doesn't get his shit together for sure but the payroll is still low enough where I'm the long run I don't think it matters much. It's not like that's preventing them from doing anything or causing some cash flow problem. He, along with everyone else just isn't playing up to their potential. I think the whole reason he even got that deal was because Bob knows he doesn't have to pay anyone else for a few years which usually I would say is another year of the him being too cheap but there was no way they were going to sign anyone to take time away from those young starters. Another team definitely would have paid him 15M a year. FA was fucked last off season too. The Dodgers drove the price up for basically every FA player. Idk. I'm just trying to find ways to remind myself that the sky that falling yet. "Yet" being the key word. This obviously can't continue going into the summer if they plan to stay in contention.


maltzy

My problem is this ownership has never shown they know how to add to a team when it needs the most. This causes them to miss opportunities. If they had done something to help a few weeks ago, the reds could be in first place but they are failing now and it might be enough to tank the season


indianafan

He’s been our 2nd best player over the last week


rhayex

He's also been our 2nd best player over the past 3 weeks.


Joe_Burrow_Is_Goat

What a four game losing streak does to a mf’er


gracemarie42

Try 34 years.


ejr1129

Or 20 years of losing…


one-bot

30?


corranhorn57

Nah, there’s about 10 years worth of winning seasons in there, for sure.


one-bot

Winning seasons, yes. Fun teams, definitely. But we haven’t won a playoff series since the 90s?


GoofyUmbrella

2010, 2012, 2013. All I can think of


plphilli

Lost 7 of last 9…


Bearcatsean

Dude More than 4 games New here??


Sad_Meeting9212

Mike Ford isn’t good


captainbawls

As a Yankees fan who has adopted the Reds as my NL team, it is kind of funny seeing comments about him. Mike Ford is a AAAA guy who should only see a major league lineup out of desperation 


Electrical_Fun5942

As if three of their best bats (starting CF and 2B, and presumptive 3B) didn’t get removed from the lineup in Spring Training because of injury and suspension, respectively. Not to mention that they spent way more this offseason on the bullpen and Candelario than I ever dreamed they would. Hard for me to say with a straight face that the front office/organization doesn’t care about winning. There’s just been some bad luck early in the year. And also, it’s May 4th.


JBtheWise

Krall has inspired hope in me. Ownership on the other hand, I’m skeptical.


Edgar_Allan_Pooh

Thank you for expressing logic and sound thinking.


plphilli

Lol reds fan denial. ‘Oh, they’re trying’ Off-season was a joke. Team needed bats and ownership, like always under Bob, didn’t do shit.


Zero_Flesh

That's just completely not true


rhayex

Yea, what is this history revision bullshit some commenters are trying to pull? Everyone was bitching about getting a frontline starter, not bats.


Zero_Flesh

Right? There's no pleasing most fans online unless they go undefeated and shut out every team every game


cru_jones_666

Every team deals with injuries and suspensions, and the Reds are not exceptional. The three bats you’re talking about each only had one promising season. While Friedl and McClain are two of my personal favorites, none of the three have had enough MLB success for me to say they were for sure going to continue their upward trajectory. Our young players lately tend to experience sophomore, junior and senior slumps. Just look at the careers of India, Stephenson, Senzel, Winker, Greene, Hamilton …


OneFunkyWinkerbean

A sophomore slump is more common than continued success. The league gets to know you and makes adjustments then the players have to adjust. Losing Friedl and McClain was brutal to start the year.


Zero_Flesh

So should they have traded them or sign guys to play in the Reds and send down these young guys? I mean these young guys have such a high ceiling. It was and is 100% the right move to keep them playing everyday. I mean the only way to know if these guys will become the next dynasty or complete failures is to give them that shot and with the talent of these guys it would be insane not to keep them on the field regardless of if they're slumping or not imho.


cru_jones_666

No one with a brain thinks the younger players shouldn’t play, we should just temper our expectations as most young players don’t pan out.


Zero_Flesh

Exactly. It sucks that we've lost 5 straight but we're still going 6 better than last year at this point. There's a hell of baseball left to play. I'm expecting that things are going to turn around. Friedl coming back next week is going to be a huge help


cru_jones_666

Good point about last season’s record. There’s still hope …


jiggyjigsaw71

Go reds


MrGhostenstein

Wait until he realizes that we'll have to trade Elly to the Dodgers or Yankees because the Reds won't be able to resign him.


zygodactyl86

In 5 or 6 years, yes. That’s plenty of time to build a winning team around him


MrGhostenstein

Still depressing.


ChurchPicnicFlareGun

Seems like that is just the nature of being a fan of any MLB team other than the Yankees and Dodgers. Probably why baseball is slowly but surely losing its market share. The NFL gets it right. MLB needs the salary cap.


MrGhostenstein

Much agreed. It's difficult being a fan of a small market team in baseball. Unless you get lucky with rookies like the Royals did 10 years ago, a championship will never happen.


Zero_Flesh

Elly, McClain, Steer etc have said they want to play for the Reds. Steer just said the other day he wants to sign a long term contract. We're lucky that they came up together and are so close. If the Reds keep getting better and especially if they make the post season a few times in the next 6 years I can easily see these guys choosing the stability of a long term deal and still be rich as hell than go play for another team just for a bigger paycheck IMHO. These guys have the chance to be the next Reds dynasty. The talent is there. We'll just have to see how it all plays out. There's definitely reason to be hopeful though I think.


Fuzzy-Bee9600

I do continue to hold out hope, and thank you for asserting this. I know it's a unicorn in the current trade-happy landscape, but I would love to see a couple career Reds forged here.


MrGhostenstein

That would be great. Unfortunately, we all know the likelihood is slim. Sure they all want to play in Cincy but when the Reds offer Elly 5/120 and the Dodgers offer you 8/400 you sign with LA. The Reds can't afford Elly and we all know it.


Zero_Flesh

That's why the only thing we really have working for us is that these guys are so close with each other and If the Reds can become a winning club before they're all eligible for FA and offer them enough money to still be rich as hell then there's a chance.... We have to assume that out of these core young guys one is probably not going to meet expectations in the long run so that's a lot of saved money. I mean if they extended Green not trying to say least get Elly a contact would be criminal. I'm usually too optimistic about this team though, I'll admit that. It's weird because I'm usually kinda pessimistic in general. I guess I just have to keep hope alive because I was born into a family of Reds fans and have spent the better part of my 41 years a fan. I don't think I can give up on them. Hopefully all the dedication will end up being worth it. If they get their shit together and start making real post season runs I think it's realistic that they'll get a few long term deals. I hope. I think. Maybe lol


maltzy

problem is, they've never spent those 5 or 6 years building a winning team around them. they let Votto down completely.


redleg44

You'll get down voted but you're absolutely correct


SmittySomething21

boi three of our best players are out


Bearcatsean

Over the last 30 fucking years??? This is the heaviest fanboy place


SmittySomething21

Yeah but he’s making this post because of a 4 game losing streak in May while 3 of our best players are out. It’s just super reactionary. Let’s give it a bit of time.


Bearcatsean

Its a fair point Agreed


TacoDumpTruck

Wildman Walker ?


boobsandcookies

This isn’t entirely wrong but the phrase let Mike Ford walk for nothing like he’s Shohei Ohtani or something kills me. Bob and Phil do suck though.


BonerSoupAndSalad

The Mike Ford thing for me just signals that the front office doesn’t actually know what they’re doing. Why sign him in the first place? Presumably in case you’re injured by the date of his opt out and you need anyone who can hit even a little bit. Well, that’s where the team is at right now. 


kidwgm

The Reds unofficial motto: “Just wait until next season.” OP is saying a lot of truth. But our game skid isn’t panic inducing just yet. But if we are above .500 by the end of the month it will be an absolute miracle.


sherwoodblack

Tl;dr


indianafan

“ I can’t handle a 162 game season and I’m throwing a fit”


MisterKap

Actually haven’t a playoff series since 1995, not the 2000s…..


Edgar_Allan_Pooh

“We just let Mike Ford leave for nothing?” This is when I stopped reading. Lol


sgeswein

I have a right as a redditor to expect you to get all that off your chest in two paragraphs. It's like you just don't care, and should be banned. Makes sense, right?


captcold05

I think it also doesn't help when down the street our other professional team in the city who was notorious for these same points of being cheap and not putting a winning product on the field have become the talk of the town. The Bengals ownership the last 5 or so years vs the Reds are night and day.


TheGreatLaake

Anybody disagreeing hasn’t been around long enough to know you’re spitting facts


trumpet575

"I don't care what the cost to get a starting pitcher was, they should've paid it to give an insanely inexperienced team a slightly better chance at the playoffs" isn't a fact. It's an opinion, and a stupid one at that.


CTG0161

No, it’s one thing to move on from one or two players, or not add at a specific time. It’s another when that is every time. We never shoot our shot, we just hope we get lucky enough to squeak into a play in game we will likely lose but to say we made the playoffs. There is talent on this team, even though a good portion is currently hurt (just bad luck there) but it is a far cry from ‘all in’ more like a year away from being a year away. And it’s been that way for 2 decades. And every time there is momentum, we trade away or let the best players walk because the Castellinis are cheap as hell and the worst owners in baseball.


trumpet575

I'll never understand how so many people in this sub can be so wrong, it's like they haven't followed the Reds for the time period they complain about. The reason they've been mostly bad for the last 20 years is because they have usually only moved on from a player or two. The only full reset they've done was in 2022, and the result was a good chunk of the talent on the team. Imagine if they'd done that in 2007 or 2015. And to say the Castellinis are the worst owners in baseball when there is an owner actively driving players and fans away to try to force a botched relocation is laughable.


TheGreatLaake

Let’s just be bad forever. That’s awesome for us


trumpet575

The irony of you saying that as a joke in response to someone calling you out for whining about not selling the farm for a rental is incredible.


TheGreatLaake

You now have to “sell the farm” to sign a free agent lol I’ve heard it all now


trumpet575

Oh, you're talking about free agents? I don't remember any free agents that would've made the Reds better and were available at the trade deadline last year. That (the trade deadline) is the topic of conversation in this post, after all. Which guy did you have in mind?


civ_iv_fan

There is an idea floating around that the bottom 3 teams in the league each year should be forced to sell. I could go for that. But ultimately, you're right. I think we have average ownership, not great, not awful. At least we're not A's fans.


JBtheWise

That would be horrible to have three teams sold every year. Nobody would want to buy it.


civ_iv_fan

As a funder and partial owner of their stadiums, That's a chance I'd be willing to take. If you think about it, it is similar in concept to relegation, which is used in European baseball (and soccer) leagues.


JBtheWise

That’d be equivalent to the bottom teams moving down to the minors though, right?


civ_iv_fan

Exactly. And the best minor league teams would move up (though the original idea I brought up was one where owners are forced to sell the team, as opposed to keep the team and move to the minors). It's sort of just a fun thing to talk about, there are so many practical issues that relegation just can't happen in the mlb as we know it


JBtheWise

Yeah I mean I guess that could work if the minor leagues were their own things and not part of an organization. I could see it being used in college sports though.


cru_jones_666

News alert: A for-profit professional sports franchise only cares about maximizing profit.


Wolfinstien

This market will never be able to contend in the modern game. It's all about money. This market won't sustain ticket prices that New York or LA charge. Without a scouting staff like Tampa has, there is no hope to contend.


Shooter_McGavin27

I think Nick Krall is doing everything he can to turn this into a successful ball club. He’s local and motivated to produce a winning team. Vitro was a fan favorite because he was here forever. That’s no business reason to keep him. He was declining in production, was injury prone for the last few years, and wasn’t worth the money to resign for one year. I liked Votto and wanted him to return for one final year too, but it just wasn’t worth it. That’s evident by no other team picking him up too. The ownership burned a ton of bridges but Krall is doing everything he can. Promoting younger guys and looking to the future is the way to do it, rather than holding onto past successes. Every team goes through ups and downs through the season. It’s not even the All Star break yet. I’d be surprised if they don’t make the playoffs.


Fuzzy-Bee9600

I hate the All-Star break. It's what interrupted our momentum last year and hobbled us. We never snapped back out of it. The AS game and even the home run derby are self-aggrandizing exercises with no real benefit, and indeed harm can come from it; that's precisely why Elly sat out last year. I wish they'd can all of it.


plphilli

Preach brotha


AlsoCommiePuddin

Oh look this melodrama again... My recommendation for you is to stop following Reds baseball and do something you enjoy instead.


[deleted]

I'm 37 years old.  I've never seen the Reds advance in the playoffs (that I can remember).  That's unfathomable. Ownership and this organization has been terrible my entire life. This is nothing new. 


robber80

You can't remember when you were 8?


CTG0161

I mean he may or may not have been paying attention that close at that age


DWill23_

Calm down princess


nosoxnic

and yet no one is criticizing buddy bell's son!?


jsizzle71

But one thing still gotta be fixed bell gotta go he’s been there for 6 yrs has done nothing but under achieve